Yeah!! I almost went out on a bigger foil but so happy I didn’t. Worth noting the 680 was so awesome this sesh for both jumping and the glide doing upwind tacks. But the ML and the M1 got me so stoked!! Great combo all around. Thanks bud, I wish you an awesome day!!
Seems like you’ve hit the biggie time Jeremy. Brands seeking you out. Well deserved. Best reviews with concise explanation on the internet. Please keep it real or better to not post. And no taking holidays if it’s to pass it off as a review 😂 instant fan kiss of death
@@OCEANBOUND1 me too 😉 very keen to hear about the 75ML with the 680 (as that will translate to 85 and 780 at my weight) It would be great to see that compare vs the duotone midlengths. Not buying the hype from either brand until real world reviews are in Cheers 🥂
@@wingfoilrentals right on! I should have an FOne ML coming in the next few weeks, I'm not sure what size they will be sending but I'm hoping something close to my 75L. I'll see if my wing dealer is thinking about getting any Duotone, that would be my deciding factor.
Yeah it’s def a unique wing, so far so good. And yeah, it’s def expensive. I’m thankful they helped me out on it. Board is awesome. Another thing that hit me at the right time in my progression. Stoked! Thanks bud I wish you an awesome day!
Yeeeooowww! Thanks! You know how it goes… I had the footage and was so stoked, I had to work it in. But it’s awesome that it’s part of the paddle club. I can’t wait to try to surf with it, both with a paddle and prone. It’s gonna get a lot of use! How is yours? 55L right?
thanks bud! so nice to finally be getting things up to foil, even if the flatwater paddle ups is mostly a party trick. but my legs are burning like crazy pumping, so I have so much work I can do build stamina. and it blows my mind the 75L can get paddled up! I can't want to try this in waves. thanks as always Rob, I wish you an awesome rest of your day!
Oh awesome!! I’m totally into them. Seriously stiff and solid. The new handles are like tied right now for my favorites out there. I can’t wait to see how it ages! Stoked to have it in my quiver. Thanks bud! I wish you an awesome weekend!
@@bobthornton5533 sup bud! I’m cool with the 75L, I’m about the same weight as you and I like easy mode. I’d rather have it float me on light wind days and not struggle. I have heard someone complain about the length, but I’ve taken the ML out in 40mph winds so far and I just don’t have a problem with the length. But everyone that goes smaller seems to love them too. If you are doing prone, then small kinda makes sense but I dont do that and have even paddled up the 75L on the flat so the size makes a lot of sense for me. LMK what you end your getting!
yes!!! I just acquired it, tanks to my buddy Dylan. it already has a gopro mount on it. I'll see if we can get him all branded up and will take him out soon :P
haha I love this idea. unfortunately my Armstrong ML was getting repaired this whole time I had the FOne board so there were no chances to try them both back to back. but I like the way you think! I wish you an awesome day bud!
@@OCEANBOUND1 if you could have only one....which would you choose and why? My GF has the Armstrong ML and LOVES it. I'm leaning towards the F1 after watching your video. Seems like I couldn't go wrong either way. Cheer!
sup bud! I'm using a read and blue shim for all my stabs. every time I dial it back I get annoyed with the drag. I'm putting my new HAs and the APFs at 10 in the mast track. the HS and the MA I would put at 8, so it's a little more forward. that's what's worked for me, I've done a ton of micro adjustments from sesh to sesh and still come back to 10 with a happy face. hope this helps! I wish you an awesome day!!
What's your weight? I am 19bs and considering the 85ML for winging only but I fear it will get too long at 6.5. Can't get smaller as we only have light winds.
Sup bud! I’m 77kg or just under 170lbs. The 75 is a great size for me. It is about a foot longer than my v1FG board but it doesn’t feel too long. I think mine is 6’1? No regrets here, I love it.
Good video. Like the others I am quite interested in learning back pass tack. How much of the challenge was just getting used to waist leash vs wrist? Would love a video on your experience learning the back pass tack or just your tips having learned it. Also curious about the 85 ml. But just spent my money on 80fg at 93 kg. Primarily wing on 107 dw and love it for Alaska. Because I can’t count on the wind to always be consistent and do more slogging than I like. 80 is for storms here or travel to destinations with reliable wind like La ventana. Will you stop using fg?
sup bud! still learning! I tried like in an earlier session like 3 times, but this sesh I tried maybe 40-50 of them. so this is pretty much the first session. I ended up making over 50% of them, way more near the end for sure but I think I nailed my first 2 or 3 in a row. I haven't watched any how-to videos on them, so maybe I'm missing technique, but for me the most awkward part was grabbing the wing with the second hand and lifting it back up. you could definitely practice the pass on land to get some feel for it. but nothing beats actually doing it cause there's more going on in the maneuver than a regular tack and you just need to get used to it. getting used to the wing leash change wasn't that big of an issue, but sometimes it can get annoying cause I find the wing leash migrates under my knees when I'm getting back up. but I'm getting used to moving it out of the way every time. that is the worst of it, and I don't see any other issues, so it's not that bad. will I stop using the FG? probably. I bought the 75L so it could replace my v1 75L FG. I almost bought a v2 70 FG and then these ML's came out. It's cracked so many times and in different places, my new goal is to drill some holes in the back to try to let water out, I'm so curious if it's holding water or not. after that I may just plug it up and either pass it on to a new guy for like $200 or donate it to a community boating program. unless my son gets interest in the next few months. I'm not in a rush to get rid of it but the ML gets up to speed faster and I don't mind the extra length so that's gonna be my daily driver. thanks bud, I wish you an awesome day up in Alaska! fingers crossed I get to wing up there some day!
@@OCEANBOUND1 great job in your progression and thanks for the feedback and tips. I didn’t get past all the tangling because I’m so used to using wrist leash now. But I started on a waste leash so I’m sure I could get that figured out sooner or later. I had an interesting path in that it took me two years to get my first jibes. And first day on heel side tacks then figured out toe side. Then lost heel side on my bad side. The end game on the back pass would be just what you said. Someday tacking onto a wave or wake and surfing out of it. Inspired by your video. Let me know when u decide to come to Alaska. Skagway was 37 knots yesterday. All day at least 25-30.
not really, but it's certainly doable. it gets up to speed quicker, the tradeoff is it doesn't have a lot of stability when getting up on it. if you are more towards intermediate, then cool. they are awesome designs, but they are a little more fragile too. so depending on your conditions and how much you will beat on this thing, the regular FG boards could hold up a little longer. LMK what you end up doing! I wish you an awesome day!
as far as I know, just the handles. I'm gonna try to reach out to Sam and see if I can get a few questions answered before I put out a review, this is on my list. thanks bud, I wish you an awesome day!
I've never done a foiling tack and I'm sure you are doing your pass behind one as a personal challenge but somehow it looks more manageable to me?, maybe because of it's lower centre of gravity.
It’s hard to tell, to me the regular tack when you push the wing forward and upwind of you seems easier. Maybe cause you see the wing the whole time? That said, I started nailing these on day one but I did already know how to tack. But tacking took me like 1000+ tries. So regular tacking seems easier but maybe I should have started with these! lmk if you start trying these first and they come easy! Thanks bud, I wish you an awesome day!
Thanks bud, and aloha!! I’m usually doing 9 or 10 with most foils. But I ride a red and blue shim so that usually puts things a little more forward than less or no shims. Basically 8-10 for all sessions but but I ride more at 9-10. Thanks bud, I wish you an awesome weekend!!
Yewwww awesome board looks great like a missile. julians looks amazing in the flesh tiny at 55l tho . Ppc M1 where did that come from have to dm me the story . Looks great very stiff . I have just been hammering the back pass tacks the last few weeks and nailed them last few sessions hitting 80% in flat water look forward to the next bumps . Anyway awesome film keep ripping my man 😊
Yeeeww! First comment from Chris 🕺 Yeah I was curious after seeing Julian’s in your last video, mine is obviously 20L more, which is significant, but I’m stoked and feel like i got the right size. If someone gave me a secind free one, id be stoked to pick up a 45 or 55 but as an all arounder it’s gonna be great. Stoked. And yeah the PPC is great. A little more heavy than you’d think but totally solid. Stoked to have it in the quiver for sure. It’s gonna get some use! And the behind the back pass is so smooth looking when you get it. I can’t wait to add that in on the crazier wave days. Stoked to hear yr working on it too! Pm me soon and let’s catch up. I’ll tell you my PPC story 😜👊 I wish you and yr crew an awesome weekend!!
Sup bud! I still got it. I popped the bladder, took a while to get a new one, then the FOne month happened. I actually put the bladder in last night, so it will be back in the rotation. It’s a nice wing. A little heavy in ways, but seems bomb proof and when I have enough wind it’s great. Love the handles! I’m still planning on reviewing it, I’ll be taking it out this fall as much as I can.
@@OCEANBOUND1 cheers for taking the time to reply buddy. I’m in the market for a new wing. I love my Takuma RS still, I’ve compared it to so many of the new wings, and they don’t match up to it. The Takuma has so much power. The M1 looks powerful, but is it actually? Or do you think it compares with something like the Armstrong XPS or even low budget wings such as the Naish ones.
yeah I think it'd work great. you could prolly even go with the 85L and make things a little easier. I think if I had FD that would be my ideal setup. LMK if you go there and what it's like!
Damn jeremy this ml seem pretty cool 👌🙏 i’ve seen people using it in surf foil , seem the most polyvalent board on the market tbh. Ps : next test cloud IX foil on sup foil and wing ?
sup bud! yeah it def crosses lines all over the place. I'm stoked to try to paddle it on a glassy day. and yeah, Cloud IX would be sweet. two local friends rip on them... I'll see if I can do a video where we swap and I can get some first impressions. fun fact: I used to ride Cloud IX and they were the first foils I winged with before I moved to Armstrong. but those low aspect surf wings I rode are a world different that what they have going on now. I'm keen to try them, I'll make it happen!
@@OCEANBOUND1 cloud IX people seem to really enjoy then in australia for surf foil related activity, i spoke to a guy that tried a lot of gear and told me they were the best for surf foil.
@@youdigsurf I can imagine. back in the day (like 5 years ago) they were the best out there IMO for surf. new designs look like they are fast, efficient and carve well. my friends rips on his! I'll try to make that happen soon.
Damn man, I've been looking at either the new DW or ML board as my nexy big purchase, this vid is kinda pushing me towards the ML even though DW is probably going to be a major focus for me this year
If DW is the focus, def get a DW board! Or consider the 85L of these maybe? But my DW is 107L and I wouldn’t go much smaller if you are serious about paddling. It was hard at first and some days in big chop it’s still a little hard paddling but I feel like it’s finally pretty good for my skill level.
@@OCEANBOUND1 I was looking at the 85, I’m 80kgs myself and thought the extra volume might be useful. Do you think you could have gone larger for your DW board?
I knew that combo was going to be sweet for you. Seems like a perfect blend of speed, power,and balance.
Yeah!! I almost went out on a bigger foil but so happy I didn’t. Worth noting the 680 was so awesome this sesh for both jumping and the glide doing upwind tacks. But the ML and the M1 got me so stoked!! Great combo all around. Thanks bud, I wish you an awesome day!!
Seems like you’ve hit the biggie time Jeremy. Brands seeking you out. Well deserved. Best reviews with concise explanation on the internet. Please keep it real or better to not post. And no taking holidays if it’s to pass it off as a review 😂 instant fan kiss of death
Thanks bud, I’m just being me so that’s the plan!
@@OCEANBOUND1 me too 😉 very keen to hear about the 75ML with the 680 (as that will translate to 85 and 780 at my weight)
It would be great to see that compare vs the duotone midlengths. Not buying the hype from either brand until real world reviews are in
Cheers 🥂
@@wingfoilrentals right on! I should have an FOne ML coming in the next few weeks, I'm not sure what size they will be sending but I'm hoping something close to my 75L. I'll see if my wing dealer is thinking about getting any Duotone, that would be my deciding factor.
That wing looks sweet but holy is that expensive! Love how the bladders are kept separate. Board looks great too, congrats!
Yeah it’s def a unique wing, so far so good. And yeah, it’s def expensive. I’m thankful they helped me out on it. Board is awesome. Another thing that hit me at the right time in my progression. Stoked! Thanks bud I wish you an awesome day!
Yew! Nice paddle up btw!
Yeeeooowww! Thanks! You know how it goes… I had the footage and was so stoked, I had to work it in. But it’s awesome that it’s part of the paddle club. I can’t wait to try to surf with it, both with a paddle and prone. It’s gonna get a lot of use! How is yours? 55L right?
Great vid man, that board looks sweet. Congrats on the paddle up! That shit is hard!
thanks bud! so nice to finally be getting things up to foil, even if the flatwater paddle ups is mostly a party trick. but my legs are burning like crazy pumping, so I have so much work I can do build stamina. and it blows my mind the 75L can get paddled up! I can't want to try this in waves. thanks as always Rob, I wish you an awesome rest of your day!
Looking good! PPC is awesome.
Woot woot! Thanks my Mac friends!!! The new handles are pretty sweet, I’m stoked! I wish you all an awesome weekend!!
Hi!! I have been using ppc 4 5 6 since October..they are amazing
Oh awesome!! I’m totally into them. Seriously stiff and solid. The new handles are like tied right now for my favorites out there. I can’t wait to see how it ages! Stoked to have it in my quiver. Thanks bud! I wish you an awesome weekend!
Great video, Just curious, if you had a chance would you ever go to a Armstrong ML 65 liter board? In 175 LBS and debating to go 65 or 75 liter board
@@bobthornton5533 sup bud! I’m cool with the 75L, I’m about the same weight as you and I like easy mode. I’d rather have it float me on light wind days and not struggle. I have heard someone complain about the length, but I’ve taken the ML out in 40mph winds so far and I just don’t have a problem with the length. But everyone that goes smaller seems to love them too. If you are doing prone, then small kinda makes sense but I dont do that and have even paddled up the 75L on the flat so the size makes a lot of sense for me. LMK what you end your getting!
@@OCEANBOUND1 hello, very nice review, thanks. Same question for me i hesitate beetween the 75 and 65, i’m 72 kgs, what do you think ? Damien
I'm always afraid of not being able to get back on the board on my knees and managing to leave when the sea is rough (in the splash and the waves...)
Nice pass tacks Dude ! I Think your RC surfer needs a mini wing , micro OCEANBOUND Tee shirt and a gopro vid
yes!!! I just acquired it, tanks to my buddy Dylan. it already has a gopro mount on it. I'll see if we can get him all branded up and will take him out soon :P
F1 vs Armstrong ML shootout video coming soon??
haha I love this idea. unfortunately my Armstrong ML was getting repaired this whole time I had the FOne board so there were no chances to try them both back to back. but I like the way you think! I wish you an awesome day bud!
@@OCEANBOUND1 if you could have only one....which would you choose and why? My GF has the Armstrong ML and LOVES it. I'm leaning towards the F1 after watching your video. Seems like I couldn't go wrong either way. Cheer!
Hey Jeremy! Did you have the red shim on the pump 202? And where in the tracks are you setting your mast for paddle ups? Thanks!!
sup bud! I'm using a read and blue shim for all my stabs. every time I dial it back I get annoyed with the drag.
I'm putting my new HAs and the APFs at 10 in the mast track. the HS and the MA I would put at 8, so it's a little more forward. that's what's worked for me, I've done a ton of micro adjustments from sesh to sesh and still come back to 10 with a happy face.
hope this helps! I wish you an awesome day!!
What's your weight? I am 19bs and considering the 85ML for winging only but I fear it will get too long at 6.5. Can't get smaller as we only have light winds.
Sup bud! I’m 77kg or just under 170lbs. The 75 is a great size for me. It is about a foot longer than my v1FG board but it doesn’t feel too long. I think mine is 6’1? No regrets here, I love it.
Good video. Like the others I am quite interested in learning back pass tack. How much of the challenge was just getting used to waist leash vs wrist? Would love a video on your experience learning the back pass tack or just your tips having learned it. Also curious about the 85 ml. But just spent my money on 80fg at 93 kg. Primarily wing on 107 dw and love it for Alaska. Because I can’t count on the wind to always be consistent and do more slogging than I like. 80 is for storms here or travel to destinations with reliable wind like La ventana. Will you stop using fg?
sup bud! still learning! I tried like in an earlier session like 3 times, but this sesh I tried maybe 40-50 of them. so this is pretty much the first session. I ended up making over 50% of them, way more near the end for sure but I think I nailed my first 2 or 3 in a row. I haven't watched any how-to videos on them, so maybe I'm missing technique, but for me the most awkward part was grabbing the wing with the second hand and lifting it back up. you could definitely practice the pass on land to get some feel for it. but nothing beats actually doing it cause there's more going on in the maneuver than a regular tack and you just need to get used to it. getting used to the wing leash change wasn't that big of an issue, but sometimes it can get annoying cause I find the wing leash migrates under my knees when I'm getting back up. but I'm getting used to moving it out of the way every time. that is the worst of it, and I don't see any other issues, so it's not that bad.
will I stop using the FG? probably. I bought the 75L so it could replace my v1 75L FG. I almost bought a v2 70 FG and then these ML's came out. It's cracked so many times and in different places, my new goal is to drill some holes in the back to try to let water out, I'm so curious if it's holding water or not. after that I may just plug it up and either pass it on to a new guy for like $200 or donate it to a community boating program. unless my son gets interest in the next few months. I'm not in a rush to get rid of it but the ML gets up to speed faster and I don't mind the extra length so that's gonna be my daily driver.
thanks bud, I wish you an awesome day up in Alaska! fingers crossed I get to wing up there some day!
@@OCEANBOUND1 great job in your progression and thanks for the feedback and tips. I didn’t get past all the tangling because I’m so used to using wrist leash now. But I started on a waste leash so I’m sure I could get that figured out sooner or later. I had an interesting path in that it took me two years to get my first jibes. And first day on heel side tacks then figured out toe side. Then lost heel side on my bad side. The end game on the back pass would be just what you said. Someday tacking onto a wave or wake and surfing out of it. Inspired by your video. Let me know when u decide to come to Alaska. Skagway was 37 knots yesterday. All day at least 25-30.
you recommend ML for a beginner / intermediate ?
not really, but it's certainly doable. it gets up to speed quicker, the tradeoff is it doesn't have a lot of stability when getting up on it. if you are more towards intermediate, then cool. they are awesome designs, but they are a little more fragile too. so depending on your conditions and how much you will beat on this thing, the regular FG boards could hold up a little longer. LMK what you end up doing! I wish you an awesome day!
What's the difference between the new and old m1? Just the handles?
Thanks!
as far as I know, just the handles. I'm gonna try to reach out to Sam and see if I can get a few questions answered before I put out a review, this is on my list. thanks bud, I wish you an awesome day!
I've never done a foiling tack and I'm sure you are doing your pass behind one as a personal challenge but somehow it looks more manageable to me?, maybe because of it's lower centre of gravity.
It’s hard to tell, to me the regular tack when you push the wing forward and upwind of you seems easier. Maybe cause you see the wing the whole time? That said, I started nailing these on day one but I did already know how to tack. But tacking took me like 1000+ tries. So regular tacking seems easier but maybe I should have started with these! lmk if you start trying these first and they come easy! Thanks bud, I wish you an awesome day!
@@OCEANBOUND1 Thanks. I expect I'll get it some time, I'm no talented whizz and getting older but still optimistic.😅
Hey man stoaked on yr yt‘s!!
On which pos do you put the mast on the new ML. right now i have it on 9 , you say 10. ? still correct?
aloha🤙🏾
Thanks bud, and aloha!!
I’m usually doing 9 or 10 with most foils. But I ride a red and blue shim so that usually puts things a little more forward than less or no shims. Basically 8-10 for all sessions but but I ride more at 9-10. Thanks bud, I wish you an awesome weekend!!
@@OCEANBOUND1 Thank you so much I tried with 9,5 😃works gr8. Cheers mate! 🤙🏾
Yewwww awesome board looks great like a missile. julians looks amazing in the flesh tiny at 55l tho . Ppc M1 where did that come from have to dm me the story . Looks great very stiff . I have just been hammering the back pass tacks the last few weeks and nailed them last few sessions hitting 80% in flat water look forward to the next bumps . Anyway awesome film keep ripping my man 😊
Yeeeww! First comment from Chris 🕺
Yeah I was curious after seeing Julian’s in your last video, mine is obviously 20L more, which is significant, but I’m stoked and feel like i got the right size. If someone gave me a secind free one, id be stoked to pick up a 45 or 55 but as an all arounder it’s gonna be great. Stoked.
And yeah the PPC is great. A little more heavy than you’d think but totally solid. Stoked to have it in the quiver for sure. It’s gonna get some use!
And the behind the back pass is so smooth looking when you get it. I can’t wait to add that in on the crazier wave days. Stoked to hear yr working on it too!
Pm me soon and let’s catch up. I’ll tell you my PPC story 😜👊
I wish you and yr crew an awesome weekend!!
@oceanbound1 Jeremy, you still using the M1? You still think it’s good?
Sup bud! I still got it. I popped the bladder, took a while to get a new one, then the FOne month happened. I actually put the bladder in last night, so it will be back in the rotation. It’s a nice wing. A little heavy in ways, but seems bomb proof and when I have enough wind it’s great. Love the handles! I’m still planning on reviewing it, I’ll be taking it out this fall as much as I can.
@@OCEANBOUND1 cheers for taking the time to reply buddy. I’m in the market for a new wing. I love my Takuma RS still, I’ve compared it to so many of the new wings, and they don’t match up to it. The Takuma has so much power. The M1 looks powerful, but is it actually? Or do you think it compares with something like the Armstrong XPS or even low budget wings such as the Naish ones.
@@savmfsome guys in the Netherlands use these wings, powerful, doesn’t shrink, still the same stiffness after a year of use.
If this works with Foil Drive gen2 this will probably be my next board the Armstrong 75L ML, I’m 87kg and 92.5kg with gear. 🙂
yeah I think it'd work great. you could prolly even go with the 85L and make things a little easier. I think if I had FD that would be my ideal setup. LMK if you go there and what it's like!
Damn jeremy this ml seem pretty cool 👌🙏 i’ve seen people using it in surf foil , seem the most polyvalent board on the market tbh. Ps : next test cloud IX foil on sup foil and wing ?
sup bud! yeah it def crosses lines all over the place. I'm stoked to try to paddle it on a glassy day. and yeah, Cloud IX would be sweet. two local friends rip on them... I'll see if I can do a video where we swap and I can get some first impressions. fun fact: I used to ride Cloud IX and they were the first foils I winged with before I moved to Armstrong. but those low aspect surf wings I rode are a world different that what they have going on now. I'm keen to try them, I'll make it happen!
@@OCEANBOUND1 cloud IX people seem to really enjoy then in australia for surf foil related activity, i spoke to a guy that tried a lot of gear and told me they were the best for surf foil.
@@youdigsurf I can imagine. back in the day (like 5 years ago) they were the best out there IMO for surf. new designs look like they are fast, efficient and carve well. my friends rips on his! I'll try to make that happen soon.
Rockstar status 🤙
woot woot! thanks bud!! I wish you an awesome rest of your weekend!
Damn man, I've been looking at either the new DW or ML board as my nexy big purchase, this vid is kinda pushing me towards the ML even though DW is probably going to be a major focus for me this year
If DW is the focus, def get a DW board! Or consider the 85L of these maybe? But my DW is 107L and I wouldn’t go much smaller if you are serious about paddling. It was hard at first and some days in big chop it’s still a little hard paddling but I feel like it’s finally pretty good for my skill level.
@@OCEANBOUND1 I was looking at the 85, I’m 80kgs myself and thought the extra volume might be useful. Do you think you could have gone larger for your DW board?
@@seanscott321 yeah def could have gone to the 120ish. It would have helped with stability for sure.
@@seanscott321 you can try my 75L whenever.
@@OCEANBOUND1 thanks man, I’ll definitely take you up on that one of these days, I just got a ha1180 and I’m super curious how it would pair with ML