I love that he says he's not really a double-bass player. The hell he isn't. He just doesn't spaz out with 32nd notes for no reason every chance he gets.
He is just so far ahead of us all that it makes him hard to understand unless you have a certain degree of musical knowlegde about polyrythms and rudiments. What gets me is how much he practices! 12-14 hrs a day. When he played with Steve Vai he would play before soundcheck for a few hrs, do a 3-4 hr sound check, play a 2-3 hr show, and then play for a few more hrs after the show! Insane!!!
One of the most creative out there. I had the pleasure of going to one of his clinics in February it was nothing less then phenomenal. He is also a great guy as well.
Got to meet Gavin a month or 2 ago, he's a superb gentleman and fun to talk drums with. About as down to Earth as hanging out with an old friend. He really LOVES to talk drums, and gets excited to talk one on one with drummers. A true inspiration!!!
Seeing a jazz drummer playing such fast and technical doubles bass patterns is amazing. No joke, I'd like to see him blasting in a extreme metal band :)
one of the best videos i've seen on RUclips, to be honest....i really hope it stays online, this is EXCELLENT info, and one more awe-inspiring look into the technique of one of my favorite drummers.
If you're talking about the part when Gavin says: "to do that you need Derek Roddy", the guy who was laughing is Derek Roddy actually, Gavin even points at him, it's a funny moment IMO...
I could watch this guy for hours so damn good, I just filled my bass drum halfway with a pillow, it works just as he said, makes it easier also with the double pedal. Cheers Gavin!
I like when musicans are inconspicuous with their awesomeness, it reflect good things as a person, and the personallity reflect other things when are playing like the maturity, to understand everything is in benefit to music.. (specially drummers) to not always saturate with everything "you know" in a song to try to impress? or be the fastest one, or things like that.. and particularity with Gavin thats why I ENJOY listen to him, the drums in their music just flow...
It's not a Herta rudiment, it's just straight RLRL with pause. While Herta is alternating RRLR under the triplet. At least in Bleed. Look at his right foot at 4:26, it is playing every downbeat if it wasn't obvious from the audio that he's not playing a triplet.
@@yrussq while the herta is traditionally under a triplet, in bleed it's actually two 32nds then two 16th notes, from what i know. the hertas in bleed don't line up in 4/4, but a triplet herta would, since two 16th triplets and two 8th triplets is equal to 1 quarter note. In essence, a herta is simply a 4 note phrasing in which the first two notes are half the value of the second two.
@LT1045 I was thinking the same thing. Welcome to Hell's Drumming lol. Gotta admit though, this guy has some really great timing and creativity with his feet, and I love the way he really scrutinized the actual microphone sound, gating, etc, to get that tight, punchy bass sound. Great stuff.
All the times that I have watched this video I still wish that there was a camera on Gavins feet showing him doing the double pedals. Just to see what his feet were doing.
@PoeticJustice05. I agree. The sound Carey gets out of those Bell Bronze toms is awesome. I first heard about bell bronze snares when Nicko McBrain had one made for him back in around 1990. I never imagined anyone would have a whole kit like that ! To answer your question, I guess the middle ground is to tune tight and use some gating like Gavin. Only play around with the gate length and delay till you get a sound you like. Unfortunately what sounds good at one venue may sound shite elsewhere.
I could not agree more about guitarists...at least the last one I played with. His amp was on my left side, where he stood, and it was so loud I would literally get dizzy.
Yep, I agree 100% man. Anyone that thinks Virgil isn't musical just can't understand what he is doing. When I first started drumming, if I would of heard Virgil play I wouldn't of liked it and probably just thought it was ok. But now I know a lot more about drumming and I can tell you that Virgil is just freaking awsome and thats all there is to it.
haha i love how he talks about his snare "when i blow up a snare drum" or "bottom head's gone" he says it like its a thing that happens very often. i've never "blown up" my snare before... and i play metal XD but still my favorite drummer...
Gavin Harrison addressed the issue of volume playing and offered his analogy of guitar players cranking up their volume loads with a justification of sound or tone quality. I remember in a jazz school ,I was once alumni of ,the bass playing head of the school lectured about drummers. He said, drums are considered to be loud so let's listen to it it now. There was an unattended drum set and so of course silence befell is students. He continued with, you see drums aren't loud, players are. His arguement was that most drum students had a tendency to play too loud. I though in my head disagreed with him then and still now. The acoustic set only begins to show any quality of tone once sounded out correctly . Wood and build need resonance. The quite way I was encouraged to play at that school resulted in my drums sounding like A4 paper. The top head was the only tone heard and nothing more especially without microphones. Everyone else though was amplified and enjoyed being the louder feature in live performances with my drums being relegated to slightly detectable percussion backing. I learned to be humble and in service of the song or writers vision back then but always found the drums being included as standard fair and not actual consideration. Then I listen to Gavin Harrison and how he has voice and space in his projects! To non drummers playing with drummers, hear us and include us on your writing and playing. Mix us as you mix yourselves. Have a song with loud drums and another quiet. Show respect for your music by featuring the rhythmic possibilities within it. Know your drummers name and style also. If you've a drummer named Brian then all him when you hear his sound and style in your music, not because he is a robot willing to repeat robotic programmed drum tracks for a pay check
i love his bass drum sound... i wish i could make mine sound like that live.. i also loved the derek roddy references... you can actually hear derek saying "it sounds great" :)
It's funny because my two favorite drummers, Danny Carey and Gavin Harrison, have two opposite philosophies on drum tone and sound. Danny like a big, open sound like John Bonham, and Gavin prefers to have a tight, pocketed sound like Neil Peart. Both sound great for their relative drummers and drumming styles, I just can't decide for myself which one I'd prefer for me, because I know I love a big sound, but I also love that tight sound. Is there a middle ground?
You should listen to the interviews in the Ultimate drummers weekend. His instructor when he was young was Graham Morgan, the best big band drummer in Australia at the time. Virgil grew up playing Jazz as most drummers in the 60's and 70's did. Just because he doesnt swing doesnt mean that he can't.
im a guitarist and drummer, and an amp really doesnt sound great (especially when with a band) unless its turned up loud, then you get the punch from the cranked up speakers and wood movement and it sounds delicious
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Haha....yeah, that was me.
Cheers,
Derek Roddy.
What an amazing comment to read 10 years later Derek.
How it is, that video was uploaded 9 years ago and ur comment 10?
@@natangloeh5806 It's because you skipped math.
@@natangloeh5806 :D dude I hope you can count out a 4/4 measure at least!
Derek! Lol
I love that he says he's not really a double-bass player. The hell he isn't. He just doesn't spaz out with 32nd notes for no reason every chance he gets.
What makes his so spectacular is that everything he does is so bloody CLEAN and tight!
The most complete drummer in the world.
"I don't really think of myself as a double bass drum player" LOL What an amazing talent.
From what I understand, it is actually Derek Roddy in the crowd.
Now that Neil has officially ritired....if Alex and Geddy are looking to continue THIS is your guy.
Alex has been working with Marco Minneman
I would love to see a project but not under the Rush name. LLH - Lee, Lifeson & Harrison.
Yes
I don´t call my self a doubblebase player brats brats brats 200 bpm doubblebase Action haha!
Takes some serious balls to talk 9 minutes of double bass in front of fuckin Derek Roddy ahahaha, what a guy
Well, nice to get some insight as to how a computer thinks as it plays the drums...
I am a bassist and this guy blows my mind I love this guy
I actually love this man
Me too, bro.
He´s crazy, out of this world, just amazing!!!
Gavin: I´m not Derek Roddy.
Derek Roddy(from the audience): No, you're actually good.
😆😆
The world is not prepared for this.
He is just so far ahead of us all that it makes him hard to understand unless you have a certain degree of musical knowlegde about polyrythms and rudiments. What gets me is how much he practices! 12-14 hrs a day. When he played with Steve Vai he would play before soundcheck for a few hrs, do a 3-4 hr sound check, play a 2-3 hr show, and then play for a few more hrs after the show! Insane!!!
One of the most creative out there. I had the pleasure of going to one of his clinics in February it was nothing less then phenomenal. He is also a great guy as well.
Got to meet Gavin a month or 2 ago, he's a superb gentleman and fun to talk drums with. About as down to Earth as hanging out with an old friend. He really LOVES to talk drums, and gets excited to talk one on one with drummers. A true inspiration!!!
Seeing a jazz drummer playing such fast and technical doubles bass patterns is amazing. No joke, I'd like to see him blasting in a extreme metal band :)
one of the best videos i've seen on RUclips, to be honest....i really hope it stays online, this is EXCELLENT info, and one more awe-inspiring look into the technique of one of my favorite drummers.
"Derek Roddy is in the first row..." :D Awesome!
JK Kross Derek: "You're actually good."
What do you mean? He was actually making a compliment to Derek. Listen to what he says.
Yeah I am almost positive that was Derek Roddy who said that. He seems like a pretty cool guy.
If you're talking about the part when Gavin says: "to do that you need Derek Roddy", the guy who was laughing is Derek Roddy actually, Gavin even points at him, it's a funny moment IMO...
9:08 and so on: Gavin is too modest; those doubles sound really good, even if he doesn't use them often
That's what separates the best from the rest. When your satisfied, you stop learning/gettin' better.
Really like this guy. It's great to have another elite player who is humble and seems glad to share his processes.
it's pretty damn obvious it was derek saying 'yeah your actually good' ..he's being self deprecating in a way yet fishing at the same time
derek has extremely good technique. gavin is one of the best musicians IMO
This guy is so down to earth, I love his drumming.🥁
That is exactly the lesson I was thinking about today. Thanks Gavin. You're a God.
He's my favourite as well, by far.
This guy is really enjoyable to listen to. He really knows his stuff.
That is insane.
What a great guy! He actually answers questions from the crowd! Who else does that?!!
This Sonor is one of the best sounding drums we 've ever heard! GArvin is just AWESOME!
I could watch this guy for hours so damn good, I just filled my bass drum halfway with a pillow, it works just as he said, makes it easier also with the double pedal. Cheers Gavin!
Wow.. All I can say. How is he so fast and so clean.
MeytalHead it's called practice
@@the6ig6adwolf Yep. And decades of playing as well.
gavin is out of this world. truely amazing
I like when musicans are inconspicuous with their awesomeness, it reflect good things as a person, and the personallity reflect other things when are playing like the maturity, to understand everything is in benefit to music.. (specially drummers) to not always saturate with everything "you know" in a song to try to impress? or be the fastest one, or things like that.. and particularity with Gavin thats why I ENJOY listen to him, the drums in their music just flow...
i would absolutely love to have the honor to be there and listen to him
He said at the end, "Here I am, playing this in front of Derek Roddy."
Gavin is always spot on in what he says at clinics!
gavins kit sounds incredible even without any processing going on, awesome.
Sounds are great.❤️
nice derek. and amazing video. GAVIN IS AMAZING!! this helps so much
Wow! That's really cool man. I guess you were there and everything. Must have been a really cool moment.
He just played Bleed by Meshugga without even trying
It's not a Herta rudiment, it's just straight RLRL with pause. While Herta is alternating RRLR under the triplet. At least in Bleed.
Look at his right foot at 4:26, it is playing every downbeat if it wasn't obvious from the audio that he's not playing a triplet.
@@yrussq 9:23
@@yrussq while the herta is traditionally under a triplet, in bleed it's actually two 32nds then two 16th notes, from what i know. the hertas in bleed don't line up in 4/4, but a triplet herta would, since two 16th triplets and two 8th triplets is equal to 1 quarter note. In essence, a herta is simply a 4 note phrasing in which the first two notes are half the value of the second two.
at the end "here I am playing this in front of Derek Roddy". haha that's great.
gosh that whole kit sounds great
Super CLEAN player. Incredible bass drum tone.
He's a drumming surgeon
I knew he was good but after having actually watched three full videos with him I can see he ´s probably the best out there right now
So much wisdom on this vid!
Thanks for posting this. a lot of great info
he and anyone else can say what they like, but he is possibly the fastest double bass ive ever heard. and ive heard ALOT
@LT1045 I was thinking the same thing. Welcome to Hell's Drumming lol. Gotta admit though, this guy has some really great timing and creativity with his feet, and I love the way he really scrutinized the actual microphone sound, gating, etc, to get that tight, punchy bass sound. Great stuff.
That was me that asked the question about his bass drum being so punchy!!!!!!! I was in the front row.
"So is very simple to mix..." hahaha amazing gavin!
Wow, he's a great speaker.
All the times that I have watched this video I still wish that there was a camera on Gavins feet showing him doing the double pedals. Just to see what his feet were doing.
this guy is a fucking beast \m/
Mr.Harrison makes it look and sound so easy.
pro.
his toms sound so freakin good!
@PoeticJustice05. I agree. The sound Carey gets out of those Bell Bronze toms is awesome. I first heard about bell bronze snares when Nicko McBrain had one made for him back in around 1990. I never imagined anyone would have a whole kit like that ! To answer your question, I guess the middle ground is to tune tight and use some gating like Gavin. Only play around with the gate length and delay till you get a sound you like. Unfortunately what sounds good at one venue may sound shite elsewhere.
Drummer for Porcupine Tree and played with MICK KARN ON Fretless Bass plus O5RiC as well and David Sylvain.
Thank You
I like the way he demonstrates a little bit of Tomas Haake footwork from the song Bleed at the end there
his tom fills are one of the cleanest I've ever heard. Guess that goes into what you said
Wow, what an underrated drummer!
i love his songs with porcupine tree( that is my favorite band) but this guy also have awesome songs of jazz !
I was there, and yes to answer your question that was derek roddy saying " yeah your actually good "
Never heard of this guy...
His drumming fucking owns! And he's down to earth too! That's another good quality :D
So good
I could not agree more about guitarists...at least the last one I played with. His amp was on my left side, where he stood, and it was so loud I would literally get dizzy.
Love the banter between Gavin and Derek 😂
Love how that Bass Drum sound.
Yep, I agree 100% man. Anyone that thinks Virgil isn't musical just can't understand what he is doing. When I first started drumming, if I would of heard Virgil play I wouldn't of liked it and probably just thought it was ok. But now I know a lot more about drumming and I can tell you that Virgil is just freaking awsome and thats all there is to it.
When it matters, choose Gavin Harrison! He's the man!
amazing
@thickpooxbox360 That was Derek Roddy that said that....
You hear him at the end as well saying "That was great!" after Gavin mentions him.
@sparkles67 i just love it! i like clicky bassdrum sounds, but not triggers. like this sound has the nice big sound of a bassdrum.
I'm glad they talked him out of THAT, I heard that he WAS going to think of him as a double bassplayer on 21-12-12...
That bass drum sounds so fit!! =]
He still freaks me out!!!
1:33 oh my god, he can move the drum!!
haha i love how he talks about his snare "when i blow up a snare drum" or "bottom head's gone" he says it like its a thing that happens very often. i've never "blown up" my snare before... and i play metal XD
but still my favorite drummer...
I think it's just ok to love both. I feel the exact same way as you do, man...
There are a lot of really good drummers in this world, but for me Gavin Harrison is the best of the best
EPIC!
at 1:08 to 1:15 ... exactly the same thing i learned from John Blackwell.. but gavin added on double kicks... so nice!
Gavin Harrison addressed the issue of volume playing and offered his analogy of guitar players cranking up their volume loads with a justification of sound or tone quality. I remember in a jazz school ,I was once alumni of ,the bass playing head of the school lectured about drummers. He said, drums are considered to be loud so let's listen to it it now. There was an unattended drum set and so of course silence befell is students. He continued with, you see drums aren't loud, players are. His arguement was that most drum students had a tendency to play too loud. I though in my head disagreed with him then and still now. The acoustic set only begins to show any quality of tone once sounded out correctly . Wood and build need resonance. The quite way I was encouraged to play at that school resulted in my drums sounding like A4 paper. The top head was the only tone heard and nothing more especially without microphones. Everyone else though was amplified and enjoyed being the louder feature in live performances with my drums being relegated to slightly detectable percussion backing. I learned to be humble and in service of the song or writers vision back then but always found the drums being included as standard fair and not actual consideration. Then I listen to Gavin Harrison and how he has voice and space in his projects! To non drummers playing with drummers, hear us and include us on your writing and playing. Mix us as you mix yourselves. Have a song with loud drums and another quiet. Show respect for your music by featuring the rhythmic possibilities within it. Know your drummers name and style also. If you've a drummer named Brian then all him when you hear his sound and style in your music, not because he is a robot willing to repeat robotic programmed drum tracks for a pay check
i love his bass drum sound... i wish i could make mine sound like that live.. i also loved the derek roddy references... you can actually hear derek saying "it sounds great" :)
So, obviously Derek Roddy keen on learning, humble. And Mr. Harrison is like that as well, very good!
It's funny because my two favorite drummers, Danny Carey and Gavin Harrison, have two opposite philosophies on drum tone and sound. Danny like a big, open sound like John Bonham, and Gavin prefers to have a tight, pocketed sound like Neil Peart. Both sound great for their relative drummers and drumming styles, I just can't decide for myself which one I'd prefer for me, because I know I love a big sound, but I also love that tight sound. Is there a middle ground?
Love the sound of universal mumbling agreement at 7:27 haha.
You should listen to the interviews in the Ultimate drummers weekend. His instructor when he was young was Graham Morgan, the best big band drummer in Australia at the time. Virgil grew up playing Jazz as most drummers in the 60's and 70's did. Just because he doesnt swing doesnt mean that he can't.
Thanks a lot. I'll try it out, but I think I'm leaning more towards that big sound. I've been listening to a lot of Led Zeppelin lately.
Just look at his legs when he's playing those quads on bass. Such amazing technique.
im a guitarist and drummer, and an amp really doesnt sound great (especially when with a band) unless its turned up loud, then you get the punch from the cranked up speakers and wood movement and it sounds delicious
dude Derek Roddy was the one in the audience who said, "ya but you're actually good" hahaha man you're smart :P Him and Roddy are good buddies
@TtAbrams
That's right...Billy Cobham was doing WAAY back, then Dennis did it, now Carter does it.
When it matters, choose Gavin Harrison® as your favorite drummer, I do!!!
I love how the camera shakes when e play the base drum :D