I love that he says he's not really a double-bass player. The hell he isn't. He just doesn't spaz out with 32nd notes for no reason every chance he gets.
He is just so far ahead of us all that it makes him hard to understand unless you have a certain degree of musical knowlegde about polyrythms and rudiments. What gets me is how much he practices! 12-14 hrs a day. When he played with Steve Vai he would play before soundcheck for a few hrs, do a 3-4 hr sound check, play a 2-3 hr show, and then play for a few more hrs after the show! Insane!!!
Seeing a jazz drummer playing such fast and technical doubles bass patterns is amazing. No joke, I'd like to see him blasting in a extreme metal band :)
Got to meet Gavin a month or 2 ago, he's a superb gentleman and fun to talk drums with. About as down to Earth as hanging out with an old friend. He really LOVES to talk drums, and gets excited to talk one on one with drummers. A true inspiration!!!
One of the most creative out there. I had the pleasure of going to one of his clinics in February it was nothing less then phenomenal. He is also a great guy as well.
one of the best videos i've seen on RUclips, to be honest....i really hope it stays online, this is EXCELLENT info, and one more awe-inspiring look into the technique of one of my favorite drummers.
I could watch this guy for hours so damn good, I just filled my bass drum halfway with a pillow, it works just as he said, makes it easier also with the double pedal. Cheers Gavin!
I like when musicans are inconspicuous with their awesomeness, it reflect good things as a person, and the personallity reflect other things when are playing like the maturity, to understand everything is in benefit to music.. (specially drummers) to not always saturate with everything "you know" in a song to try to impress? or be the fastest one, or things like that.. and particularity with Gavin thats why I ENJOY listen to him, the drums in their music just flow...
If you're talking about the part when Gavin says: "to do that you need Derek Roddy", the guy who was laughing is Derek Roddy actually, Gavin even points at him, it's a funny moment IMO...
@PoeticJustice05. I agree. The sound Carey gets out of those Bell Bronze toms is awesome. I first heard about bell bronze snares when Nicko McBrain had one made for him back in around 1990. I never imagined anyone would have a whole kit like that ! To answer your question, I guess the middle ground is to tune tight and use some gating like Gavin. Only play around with the gate length and delay till you get a sound you like. Unfortunately what sounds good at one venue may sound shite elsewhere.
@LT1045 I was thinking the same thing. Welcome to Hell's Drumming lol. Gotta admit though, this guy has some really great timing and creativity with his feet, and I love the way he really scrutinized the actual microphone sound, gating, etc, to get that tight, punchy bass sound. Great stuff.
Yep, I agree 100% man. Anyone that thinks Virgil isn't musical just can't understand what he is doing. When I first started drumming, if I would of heard Virgil play I wouldn't of liked it and probably just thought it was ok. But now I know a lot more about drumming and I can tell you that Virgil is just freaking awsome and thats all there is to it.
All the times that I have watched this video I still wish that there was a camera on Gavins feet showing him doing the double pedals. Just to see what his feet were doing.
I could not agree more about guitarists...at least the last one I played with. His amp was on my left side, where he stood, and it was so loud I would literally get dizzy.
@6ghoul6lord6 - I believe that if the hole in the resonant head doesn't account for more than 15% of the total head area, there is effectively no tonal difference. Anything over that 15% and the tone imparted by the resonant head gradually diminishes.
haha i love how he talks about his snare "when i blow up a snare drum" or "bottom head's gone" he says it like its a thing that happens very often. i've never "blown up" my snare before... and i play metal XD but still my favorite drummer...
You should listen to the interviews in the Ultimate drummers weekend. His instructor when he was young was Graham Morgan, the best big band drummer in Australia at the time. Virgil grew up playing Jazz as most drummers in the 60's and 70's did. Just because he doesnt swing doesnt mean that he can't.
haha imagine that! I gathered you were in the crowd from Gavin's face, but when you shouted that I felt bad for you because I thought it was some guy insulting you from a couple seats away or something. cool :D
It's not a Herta rudiment, it's just straight RLRL with pause. While Herta is alternating RRLR under the triplet. At least in Bleed. Look at his right foot at 4:26, it is playing every downbeat if it wasn't obvious from the audio that he's not playing a triplet.
@@yrussq while the herta is traditionally under a triplet, in bleed it's actually two 32nds then two 16th notes, from what i know. the hertas in bleed don't line up in 4/4, but a triplet herta would, since two 16th triplets and two 8th triplets is equal to 1 quarter note. In essence, a herta is simply a 4 note phrasing in which the first two notes are half the value of the second two.
im a guitarist and drummer, and an amp really doesnt sound great (especially when with a band) unless its turned up loud, then you get the punch from the cranked up speakers and wood movement and it sounds delicious
@BananaBobCheeseHat I think Gavin payed him more of a compliment then anything. Somebody in the crowd said Roddy wasnt good. Gavin said "you need Derek Roddy for something like that." someone in the crowd said "yea your actually good." Both completely different drummers, but both very good in my personal opinion. I do enjoy Gavins playing more as I think it is more musical.
It's funny because my two favorite drummers, Danny Carey and Gavin Harrison, have two opposite philosophies on drum tone and sound. Danny like a big, open sound like John Bonham, and Gavin prefers to have a tight, pocketed sound like Neil Peart. Both sound great for their relative drummers and drumming styles, I just can't decide for myself which one I'd prefer for me, because I know I love a big sound, but I also love that tight sound. Is there a middle ground?
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Haha....yeah, that was me.
Cheers,
Derek Roddy.
What an amazing comment to read 10 years later Derek.
How it is, that video was uploaded 9 years ago and ur comment 10?
@@natangloeh5806 It's because you skipped math.
@@natangloeh5806 :D dude I hope you can count out a 4/4 measure at least!
Derek! Lol
"I don't really think of myself as a double bass drum player" LOL What an amazing talent.
The most complete drummer in the world.
What makes his so spectacular is that everything he does is so bloody CLEAN and tight!
I love that he says he's not really a double-bass player. The hell he isn't. He just doesn't spaz out with 32nd notes for no reason every chance he gets.
From what I understand, it is actually Derek Roddy in the crowd.
I am a bassist and this guy blows my mind I love this guy
Takes some serious balls to talk 9 minutes of double bass in front of fuckin Derek Roddy ahahaha, what a guy
Now that Neil has officially ritired....if Alex and Geddy are looking to continue THIS is your guy.
Alex has been working with Marco Minneman
I would love to see a project but not under the Rush name. LLH - Lee, Lifeson & Harrison.
Yes
I actually love this man
Me too, bro.
Well, nice to get some insight as to how a computer thinks as it plays the drums...
The world is not prepared for this.
Gavin: I´m not Derek Roddy.
Derek Roddy(from the audience): No, you're actually good.
😆😆
He is just so far ahead of us all that it makes him hard to understand unless you have a certain degree of musical knowlegde about polyrythms and rudiments. What gets me is how much he practices! 12-14 hrs a day. When he played with Steve Vai he would play before soundcheck for a few hrs, do a 3-4 hr sound check, play a 2-3 hr show, and then play for a few more hrs after the show! Insane!!!
He´s crazy, out of this world, just amazing!!!
Seeing a jazz drummer playing such fast and technical doubles bass patterns is amazing. No joke, I'd like to see him blasting in a extreme metal band :)
Got to meet Gavin a month or 2 ago, he's a superb gentleman and fun to talk drums with. About as down to Earth as hanging out with an old friend. He really LOVES to talk drums, and gets excited to talk one on one with drummers. A true inspiration!!!
One of the most creative out there. I had the pleasure of going to one of his clinics in February it was nothing less then phenomenal. He is also a great guy as well.
9:08 and so on: Gavin is too modest; those doubles sound really good, even if he doesn't use them often
That's what separates the best from the rest. When your satisfied, you stop learning/gettin' better.
one of the best videos i've seen on RUclips, to be honest....i really hope it stays online, this is EXCELLENT info, and one more awe-inspiring look into the technique of one of my favorite drummers.
I don´t call my self a doubblebase player brats brats brats 200 bpm doubblebase Action haha!
Yeah I am almost positive that was Derek Roddy who said that. He seems like a pretty cool guy.
Really like this guy. It's great to have another elite player who is humble and seems glad to share his processes.
This guy is really enjoyable to listen to. He really knows his stuff.
He's my favourite as well, by far.
I could watch this guy for hours so damn good, I just filled my bass drum halfway with a pillow, it works just as he said, makes it easier also with the double pedal. Cheers Gavin!
Wow! That's really cool man. I guess you were there and everything. Must have been a really cool moment.
That is exactly the lesson I was thinking about today. Thanks Gavin. You're a God.
I like when musicans are inconspicuous with their awesomeness, it reflect good things as a person, and the personallity reflect other things when are playing like the maturity, to understand everything is in benefit to music.. (specially drummers) to not always saturate with everything "you know" in a song to try to impress? or be the fastest one, or things like that.. and particularity with Gavin thats why I ENJOY listen to him, the drums in their music just flow...
If you're talking about the part when Gavin says: "to do that you need Derek Roddy", the guy who was laughing is Derek Roddy actually, Gavin even points at him, it's a funny moment IMO...
"Derek Roddy is in the first row..." :D Awesome!
JK Kross Derek: "You're actually good."
This guy is so down to earth, I love his drumming.🥁
What a great guy! He actually answers questions from the crowd! Who else does that?!!
This Sonor is one of the best sounding drums we 've ever heard! GArvin is just AWESOME!
Wow.. All I can say. How is he so fast and so clean.
MeytalHead it's called practice
@@the6ig6adwolf Yep. And decades of playing as well.
gavins kit sounds incredible even without any processing going on, awesome.
I knew he was good but after having actually watched three full videos with him I can see he ´s probably the best out there right now
What do you mean? He was actually making a compliment to Derek. Listen to what he says.
nice derek. and amazing video. GAVIN IS AMAZING!! this helps so much
@PoeticJustice05. I agree. The sound Carey gets out of those Bell Bronze toms is awesome. I first heard about bell bronze snares when Nicko McBrain had one made for him back in around 1990. I never imagined anyone would have a whole kit like that ! To answer your question, I guess the middle ground is to tune tight and use some gating like Gavin. Only play around with the gate length and delay till you get a sound you like. Unfortunately what sounds good at one venue may sound shite elsewhere.
gavin is out of this world. truely amazing
Gavin is always spot on in what he says at clinics!
Sounds are great.❤️
gosh that whole kit sounds great
That is insane.
it's pretty damn obvious it was derek saying 'yeah your actually good' ..he's being self deprecating in a way yet fishing at the same time
derek has extremely good technique. gavin is one of the best musicians IMO
Drummer for Porcupine Tree and played with MICK KARN ON Fretless Bass plus O5RiC as well and David Sylvain.
Thank You
i would absolutely love to have the honor to be there and listen to him
Thanks for posting this. a lot of great info
he and anyone else can say what they like, but he is possibly the fastest double bass ive ever heard. and ive heard ALOT
@LT1045 I was thinking the same thing. Welcome to Hell's Drumming lol. Gotta admit though, this guy has some really great timing and creativity with his feet, and I love the way he really scrutinized the actual microphone sound, gating, etc, to get that tight, punchy bass sound. Great stuff.
Super CLEAN player. Incredible bass drum tone.
He's a drumming surgeon
So much wisdom on this vid!
at the end "here I am playing this in front of Derek Roddy". haha that's great.
@sparkles67 i just love it! i like clicky bassdrum sounds, but not triggers. like this sound has the nice big sound of a bassdrum.
Wow, he's a great speaker.
So good
his tom fills are one of the cleanest I've ever heard. Guess that goes into what you said
"So is very simple to mix..." hahaha amazing gavin!
his toms sound so freakin good!
When it matters, choose Gavin Harrison! He's the man!
amazing
I was there, and yes to answer your question that was derek roddy saying " yeah your actually good "
i love his songs with porcupine tree( that is my favorite band) but this guy also have awesome songs of jazz !
That was me that asked the question about his bass drum being so punchy!!!!!!! I was in the front row.
@thickpooxbox360 That was Derek Roddy that said that....
You hear him at the end as well saying "That was great!" after Gavin mentions him.
Wow, what an underrated drummer!
Yep, I agree 100% man. Anyone that thinks Virgil isn't musical just can't understand what he is doing. When I first started drumming, if I would of heard Virgil play I wouldn't of liked it and probably just thought it was ok. But now I know a lot more about drumming and I can tell you that Virgil is just freaking awsome and thats all there is to it.
Mr.Harrison makes it look and sound so easy.
pro.
I like the way he demonstrates a little bit of Tomas Haake footwork from the song Bleed at the end there
He said at the end, "Here I am, playing this in front of Derek Roddy."
All the times that I have watched this video I still wish that there was a camera on Gavins feet showing him doing the double pedals. Just to see what his feet were doing.
I could not agree more about guitarists...at least the last one I played with. His amp was on my left side, where he stood, and it was so loud I would literally get dizzy.
Love how that Bass Drum sound.
@6ghoul6lord6 - I believe that if the hole in the resonant head doesn't account for more than 15% of the total head area, there is effectively no tonal difference. Anything over that 15% and the tone imparted by the resonant head gradually diminishes.
this guy is a fucking beast \m/
That bass drum sounds so fit!! =]
When it matters, choose Gavin Harrison® as your favorite drummer, I do!!!
Love the banter between Gavin and Derek 😂
I'm glad they talked him out of THAT, I heard that he WAS going to think of him as a double bassplayer on 21-12-12...
He still freaks me out!!!
at 1:08 to 1:15 ... exactly the same thing i learned from John Blackwell.. but gavin added on double kicks... so nice!
haha i love how he talks about his snare "when i blow up a snare drum" or "bottom head's gone" he says it like its a thing that happens very often. i've never "blown up" my snare before... and i play metal XD
but still my favorite drummer...
EPIC!
Never heard of this guy...
His drumming fucking owns! And he's down to earth too! That's another good quality :D
You should listen to the interviews in the Ultimate drummers weekend. His instructor when he was young was Graham Morgan, the best big band drummer in Australia at the time. Virgil grew up playing Jazz as most drummers in the 60's and 70's did. Just because he doesnt swing doesnt mean that he can't.
@corey0881 I think it is Roddy who is filming this. I know i can hear Derek speaking.
I think it's just ok to love both. I feel the exact same way as you do, man...
@TtAbrams
That's right...Billy Cobham was doing WAAY back, then Dennis did it, now Carter does it.
I love how the camera shakes when e play the base drum :D
haha imagine that! I gathered you were in the crowd from Gavin's face, but when you shouted that I felt bad for you because I thought it was some guy insulting you from a couple seats away or something. cool :D
He just played Bleed by Meshugga without even trying
It's not a Herta rudiment, it's just straight RLRL with pause. While Herta is alternating RRLR under the triplet. At least in Bleed.
Look at his right foot at 4:26, it is playing every downbeat if it wasn't obvious from the audio that he's not playing a triplet.
@@yrussq 9:23
@@yrussq while the herta is traditionally under a triplet, in bleed it's actually two 32nds then two 16th notes, from what i know. the hertas in bleed don't line up in 4/4, but a triplet herta would, since two 16th triplets and two 8th triplets is equal to 1 quarter note. In essence, a herta is simply a 4 note phrasing in which the first two notes are half the value of the second two.
im a guitarist and drummer, and an amp really doesnt sound great (especially when with a band) unless its turned up loud, then you get the punch from the cranked up speakers and wood movement and it sounds delicious
Just look at his legs when he's playing those quads on bass. Such amazing technique.
So, obviously Derek Roddy keen on learning, humble. And Mr. Harrison is like that as well, very good!
@thickpooxbox360 i think it is actually derek roddy who shouts that
@BananaBobCheeseHat I think Gavin payed him more of a compliment then anything. Somebody in the crowd said Roddy wasnt good. Gavin said "you need Derek Roddy for something like that." someone in the crowd said "yea your actually good." Both completely different drummers, but both very good in my personal opinion. I do enjoy Gavins playing more as I think it is more musical.
It's funny because my two favorite drummers, Danny Carey and Gavin Harrison, have two opposite philosophies on drum tone and sound. Danny like a big, open sound like John Bonham, and Gavin prefers to have a tight, pocketed sound like Neil Peart. Both sound great for their relative drummers and drumming styles, I just can't decide for myself which one I'd prefer for me, because I know I love a big sound, but I also love that tight sound. Is there a middle ground?
1:33 oh my god, he can move the drum!!
@AirmetalDrummer The funny thing is that Derek plays both singles and doubles with his blasts very well.