It's kinda tragic that they're not developing that 3 cylinder mule engine into a road-going unit. Imagine a Fiesta with that glorious little screamer; Cosworth Fords are a match made in automotive heaven.
for high performance small engines, turbo is king. for half mile to standing mile racers, turbo is king. for affordable cars that won't need the added cost of a turbo system and million dollar garage queens that tries to make the most power without forced induction, N/A is the option.
@@jamesengland7461 That thing would probably have about 180 Nm, not that little. Plus one quarter of that Rimac Hybrid system for another 40 HP and a ton of low end torque
Richard Harrold different Cosworth V12s, the duratec based V12’s evolution pretty much ended with the one-77, the valkiery is another beast altogether, like mentioned it’s base on previous race engines that they developed compartmentally to pass emissions.
If, and this is a 'big' if, you were very rich you could maybe make this happen. But how many of those high strung 3-pots were actually made in the interest of developing a clean powerful combustion chamber? Probably none to actually sell to public unless somehow a market demand was created. Start a petition of interest with the engine producer. You never know.
I am now looking at my kubota 3 cylinder tractor in a different light !!!! Wonder if Cosworth would like to play with it "FASTEST TRACTOR ON THE PLANET"Might be worth getting Guy Martin involved he loves fast tractors !!! Great Vid Thanks for the up load !!!
if the koeniggseg gemera is able to produce 600bhp through an i3 turbo, then could a quad turbo v12 built on the same principal theoretically create 2400bhp if tbe components were strong enough?
It might not scale up as perfectly as it will become one unit. So speaking along those lines it could very easily be possible for 1800-2000bhp depending on the rev limit as well the higher the revs the more powaaaaaa!
What the Loony Koenigsegg has done is to develop their own valve timing - no cams involved - I should imagine that patents notwithstanding - it would be possible to do more with that
With the shape aston Martin is in financially will the valkyrie project actually continue hope so and the other midengine cars are in real jeopardy of not being built. Valhalla for ex.
The Valkyrie is fully funded and ready to go with excess thanks to Lawrence stroll, its just hoping the Dbx is a success because that is what will fund future programmes
As exciting as the Valkyrie is, I am even more excited for the GMA T.50, that car has big shoes to fill if it's to be the F1's true successor like its designer says it's intended to be but I am very much looking to finding out when it's finally released.
As much as i like the guy, i don't think anyone could do that. You could maybe make 4 seprate 3 cilinder engines drive a single shaft, but making it into a true V12 would is not something 1 man can do in a shed.
I'm more excited by hi-po 3-cyls. They've been underdone in Eco contrivances and sound so much better than I4's when alllowed. The Yaris GR-4 is haping up to be a great showcase for what they can do.
Just imagine that L3 as a crate engine. And an L6 derived from it. Actially, if DriveTribe is going to the factory, can Mike ask them this question? How do I get through to him?
Can someone go more in depth on how increasing cylinder count improves emissions? It's really cool they've been able to reduce development cost/time like this!
For anyone unclear on what Mike's not allowed to say: The basic story goes like this: they first chopped a cylinder off the I4 used in the Jaguar C-X75 to make an I3 development unit, then added a second I3 connected to the same crank to make the V6 Nissan wanted for their LMP1 car. They then modified its design for developing the Valkyrie's V12, applying the same principle as they did with the LMP1 V6 on a bigger scale. What Mike isn't allowed to say explicitly is that the prototype I3 used to develop the Valkyrie's V12 is based on the same I3 used to design the Nissan LMP1 V6, and by extension the I4 from the Jaguar C-X75. Cosworth likely doesn't want people implying that they don't design everything from scratch - which is more of an open secret than anything, but for such a bespoke engineering company, I guess I can see why.
99.9% of engine design is derivative and iterative anyway to be fair. Cosworth, Ricardo and various other contractors have standard architectures they'll go with to scale up to whatever the contract wants. As you say it's kind of an open secret because people who understand production engineering don't care, but the fantasists will get foamy at the mouth
Well, if the Valkyrie doesn't work out, it might be like the Vulcan. It was still sold as track cars instead of as a road car. But would love to see the Valkyrie make it.
Really interesting and well explained post and I think you have also inadvertently explained something else in the motoring world that I found interesting as well. Christian Koenigsegg recently developed a very clever little 3Cyl engine that showed off his electronic valve system he has developed. The fact that it was three cylinder seems to fit in nicely with your explanation of things - do you think there is something there? It can’t be a coincidence surely?
Let's say you twin-supercharged and twin-turbo the Koenigsegg Gamera engine. Let's say that makes 850HP. Multiply that by 5 (+1 extra cylinder ), and you get 4534HP and then let's say we get an extra 280HP from fewer losses, 3680HP. Now, let's look at the tiny engines of the Lucid Air. 500HP each. Make these 4 times larger, and you'd have around ~2280HP, theoretically. Four of those mean 9,120HP. Then add the ICE, and you get a W16 with 2 electric motors making... 13,654HP. Imagine a car with a carbon-fibre weaved graphene (added) monocoque sub-frame and chassis, with tons of structural rigidity for 250KG. You could probably get the drivetrain to be ~600KG + a Tesla million mile battery pack (Another 400KG) + the lightest possible interior, brakes, carbon-fibre rims etc for 100KG and a get a 1350KG car with a 10:1 power to weight ratio... Imagine!
Now Aston should make a consumer tiny sports car with that 240bhp 3 engine. They'd seell a shedload. (a shedload is slightly more than a crapload and a less than a fuckton)
I was wondering if someone could combine four kei car engines into a V12 and ended up here. It will take me years to figure it out but I hope to hear it fired up.
Very out of topic question. But what number hair clipper attachment are you using to cut your hair? Because I want to cut my hair short like this since hair salons aren’t open, but don’t know what number attachment to use.
Can someone speak out about how unfair it is that the "b is for build" Mustang got seized, it's a big slap in the face for car enthusiasts and drivetribe is FOR car enthusiasts
Hello Mike, love the content (especially your technical explanations), but would emissions regulations have any effect on cylinder firing orders - at an extreme would screamers or big bang engines disappear from the road or track? If so, would it affect cars or motorbikes more? Thanks again and stay safe.
I keep seeing gifs and photos from Achievement Hunter, specifically Micheal Jones, used in other videos! How random to have a DRIVETRIBE and AH connection!
So the more you scale up the Valkyrie engine the better its emissions? Is there an 16 cylinder version with a 30,000L displacement? I've got an oil taker that needs to be moved
I know Aston has developed a new V6, but I would love to see Aston introduce a straight 6 version of the Valkyrie's engine (turbocharged or otherwise). The company has such an amazing history with the straight 6 engine, from winning at Le Mans to competing in F1, and much, much more. By contrast, Aston has no history with the V6 as an engine configuration (a configuration which everyone else has already mastered as well). 😔
I know electrifcation is coming but that sound is something that future generations will never be able to enjoy. Goodwood could be the biggest event on the planet!
Nissan: Can you make us a LeMans racing engine please? Cosworth: Yeah sure, here you go **gives an amazing engine** Nissan: Cool, now we're gonna stick it into FF chassis racing car. Cosworth: u wot m8
I'm not actually sure (except for cylinders heads, pistons, injection, intake manifolds etc.) how you can develop a 3 cylinder engine and have it "almost done" and just scale it up to 12 without still major work.. how you balance an inline 3 cyl crankshaft (that later will be a V12) there are major counterbalancing forces acting on the pistons, flywheel, etc. which in the end determinate you max rpm. Thermals? A 3 cyl engine has way more dissipating surface that those same 3 cyl in the v12.. Exaust? Same problem.. you have to take into consideration scavenging effects and harmonics if you ever want to connect those 4 cat. If they've done it I'm sure it can be done, but still.. looks like major work to me
Wait. You’re showing the Cosworth GMM IC3 engine. But that was designed for the T.50, a 3.9L V12. The Aston has a 6.5L V12, so I don’t think that these mule i3’s are related...
It's kinda tragic that they're not developing that 3 cylinder mule engine into a road-going unit. Imagine a Fiesta with that glorious little screamer; Cosworth Fords are a match made in automotive heaven.
There's the downside of very little torque, naturally aspirated, until very high revs, though
@@jamesengland7461 hybrid to the resque for torque 😉
for high performance small engines, turbo is king.
for half mile to standing mile racers, turbo is king.
for affordable cars that won't need the added cost of a turbo system and million dollar garage queens that tries to make the most power without forced induction, N/A is the option.
Let me have that for my Smart Roadster, please!
@@jamesengland7461 That thing would probably have about 180 Nm, not that little. Plus one quarter of that Rimac Hybrid system for another 40 HP and a ton of low end torque
The valkyrie sounds amazing
That's V12 for you
So Nissan has 'given' us the McLaren V8 and Cosworth V12! Thanks Nissan!
Both are V12
But the Nissan engine was based on the Jaguar 4 cylinder....
@@r129r16pfl He meant the current V8
@@r129r16pfl the V12 of the F1 was from BMW, and nobody tried to pretend it was McLaren's own engine
Richard Harrold different Cosworth V12s, the duratec based V12’s evolution pretty much ended with the one-77, the valkiery is another beast altogether, like mentioned it’s base on previous race engines that they developed compartmentally to pass emissions.
Imagine putting that inline 3 of 240bhp into a small hatchback or small sportscar like mx5. that would do magic
still sounds expensive
If, and this is a 'big' if, you were very rich you could maybe make this happen. But how many of those high strung 3-pots were actually made in the interest of developing a clean powerful combustion chamber? Probably none to actually sell to public unless somehow a market demand was created. Start a petition of interest with the engine producer. You never know.
@@tomyost6330 new fiesta cosworth incoming.
1.6L of displacement!!!
1.6L of displacement!!!
Imagine a V12 from the 3-Cylinder of the Gemera
oh man, a v12 in a koenigsegg would be a dream. (I mean, any koenigsegg is already a dream but still)
2400hp and 280kgs!!!
2400hp to much maybe a 6 cylinder
That engine is camless. So for them, the sky is the limit.
8 Liters, 8 Turbos
I hope that 3 cylinder engine finds it’s way into a hot hatch
the cost would be insane,,, the parts are still top class and torque would probably be an issue ( all the power is high up)
martin srabotnik they could supercharge it...
2020 Gr4 Yaris!
not gonna happen. its a pure bred race engine it would be way way to expensive
so what ur telling us is the valkyrie is a jaguar
Mate I love your profile picture😂😂😂. Absolute gold
Pronto?
Tyr gon bono
I am now looking at my kubota 3 cylinder tractor in a different light !!!! Wonder if Cosworth would like to play with it "FASTEST TRACTOR ON THE PLANET"Might be worth
getting Guy Martin involved he loves fast tractors !!! Great Vid Thanks for the up load !!!
Drive tribe has become my new favorite car YT channel. No surprise, as the Top Gear guys are involved. Thanks so much for all this great content!
That T50 will be a real sought after car. It won't be able to race hardly anywhere because of the fans, but that manual V12 will be amazing
manuals arent everything. get over yourselfs.
the throw back 3 liter v12 f1 days were the best sounding
But does it fit in my Honda ?
The 3 cylinder would
This is the only comment that matters
This need to be answered!
Maybe a V6 version? Depends on what Honda you have.
I’d go for the I3 in my Civic.
if the koeniggseg gemera is able to produce 600bhp through an i3 turbo, then could a quad turbo v12 built on the same principal theoretically create 2400bhp if tbe components were strong enough?
@@RepEvox they can just make the gears longer, plus it's AWD
Actually, as was the whole point of this video, you can scale it up and get over 2400 hp. Or a 1600 hp V8. AWD would handle either
It might not scale up as perfectly as it will become one unit. So speaking along those lines it could very easily be possible for 1800-2000bhp depending on the rev limit as well the higher the revs the more powaaaaaa!
What the Loony Koenigsegg has done is to develop their own valve timing - no cams involved - I should imagine that patents notwithstanding - it would be possible to do more with that
The fact that it’s forced induction, and not NA, might make the scaling up ratio different. Would be wild if that ever appears though :D
This makes me so excited to want an Aston Martin again
makes me think about how their F1 team will do, make a comeback from cosworth?
Which one did you have previously?
With the shape aston Martin is in financially will the valkyrie project actually continue hope so and the other midengine cars are in real jeopardy of not being built. Valhalla for ex.
Yes its been confirmed
I'm quite sure the Valkyrie is pretty much production-ready
@@okbutwhocares production ready is not the same as produced and delivered though.
The Valkyrie is fully funded and ready to go with excess thanks to Lawrence stroll, its just hoping the Dbx is a success because that is what will fund future programmes
@@gcar5214 With the number of Lambo Urus I see/hear around, they'd be foolish not to at this point
Superb video. Great Job Mike!
Great vlog..and a great way of explaining what we do at Cosworth. We still build the best engines.
Thanks David! We'll hopefully be making a visit to see you guys in action soon! - Mike
Aston should bring back the little cygnet thingy and put the 3 screaming cylinders in it.
When a road engine sounds better than F1 engines...
Sounds better than a current F1 car. Not a 2003 V10 F1 car.
That 3-cylinder must go in production!
Looking forward to the 3 banger episode. Nice work 👍
Excellent, I have no more words.
The last era of greatness of na v12
Quality videos as always, one of the best channels on RUclips 👍🏻
As exciting as the Valkyrie is, I am even more excited for the GMA T.50, that car has big shoes to fill if it's to be the F1's true successor like its designer says it's intended to be but I am very much looking to finding out when it's finally released.
That 3 cylinder deserves to be in a motorcycle!
Cosworth built a 3 cylinder for Aprilia for MotoGP in the early 2000s, take a look at the Aprilia RS Cube on Google ;)
I'm not a DriveTribe regular, but when this man is in the video, I drop everything.
Imagine if someone like Colin Furze sees this and makes a diy v12 from 4 i3 engines...
That would be a heck of a project lol
As much as i like the guy, i don't think anyone could do that.
You could maybe make 4 seprate 3 cilinder engines drive a single shaft, but making it into a true V12 would is not something 1 man can do in a shed.
@@basmca1 V8's are made from hayabusa engines, so a V6 from 2 i3 is doable, a V12 is a bit different, because the heads and blocks. A W12 however
@@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος yo, home made w12 from 2 vr6? That would be dope!
Newey also wanted that Cosworth engine to be a structural element of the Valkyrie
that sound is heaven!
He can't say Aston are using a JAGUAR ENGINE hehe ;D
It wouldn't be the first time Aston have used a Jag engine.
The Ford Duratech V6 commissioned by Porsche. Ford owned Volvo, Jaguar and Aston Martin for a few years
This is an amazing video. Loved it. Great work.
"Wartburg on the line, sir. They say they want us to design a W-32'!"
I'm more excited by hi-po 3-cyls. They've been underdone in Eco contrivances and sound so much better than I4's when alllowed. The Yaris GR-4 is haping up to be a great showcase for what they can do.
I enjoy Mike's videos just as much as James'.
Loved the video, would of been better in 1080 60fps or perhaps a 4k option in the future?
Man seriously, waiting to see this car come on roads and reviwed by people like you.
Nice one Mike - Thank you!
Just imagine that L3 as a crate engine. And an L6 derived from it. Actially, if DriveTribe is going to the factory, can Mike ask them this question? How do I get through to him?
Can someone go more in depth on how increasing cylinder count improves emissions? It's really cool they've been able to reduce development cost/time like this!
Insane 🔥🔥🔥
so looking forward to the T-50 tho
Me too thats so exciting. So light and vacuumed to the tarmac plus s small displacement V12. Gordon murry
Me too thats so exciting. So light and vacuumed to the tarmac plus s small displacement V12. Gordon murry
Wouldn't mind getting my hands on one of those 3 cylinders!
For anyone unclear on what Mike's not allowed to say:
The basic story goes like this: they first chopped a cylinder off the I4 used in the Jaguar C-X75 to make an I3 development unit, then added a second I3 connected to the same crank to make the V6 Nissan wanted for their LMP1 car. They then modified its design for developing the Valkyrie's V12, applying the same principle as they did with the LMP1 V6 on a bigger scale. What Mike isn't allowed to say explicitly is that the prototype I3 used to develop the Valkyrie's V12 is based on the same I3 used to design the Nissan LMP1 V6, and by extension the I4 from the Jaguar C-X75. Cosworth likely doesn't want people implying that they don't design everything from scratch - which is more of an open secret than anything, but for such a bespoke engineering company, I guess I can see why.
99.9% of engine design is derivative and iterative anyway to be fair. Cosworth, Ricardo and various other contractors have standard architectures they'll go with to scale up to whatever the contract wants.
As you say it's kind of an open secret because people who understand production engineering don't care, but the fantasists will get foamy at the mouth
Please make more content like this
Well, if the Valkyrie doesn't work out, it might be like the Vulcan. It was still sold as track cars instead of as a road car.
But would love to see the Valkyrie make it.
Really interesting and well explained post and I think you have also inadvertently explained something else in the motoring world that I found interesting as well.
Christian Koenigsegg recently developed a very clever little 3Cyl engine that showed off his electronic valve system he has developed. The fact that it was three cylinder seems to fit in nicely with your explanation of things - do you think there is something there? It can’t be a coincidence surely?
That 3 cylinder in an old rwd starlet or corolla would be sick 👌
Really well explained.
Thanks!
I don't know anything about cars except some random stuff I picked up from Top Gear and Grand Tour
I'd be happy with that 240 HP inline 3 cylinder.
Love watching Drivetribe
Oh man that I3 reminds me of the Aprilia RS3. Cosworth helped creating that monster as well.
So with that thinking my fiesta is a 0.25 4Lt V12, very interesting, so I’m now designing a badge for the back.
More of this!!
Let's say you twin-supercharged and twin-turbo the Koenigsegg Gamera engine. Let's say that makes 850HP. Multiply that by 5 (+1 extra cylinder ), and you get 4534HP and then let's say we get an extra 280HP from fewer losses, 3680HP. Now, let's look at the tiny engines of the Lucid Air. 500HP each. Make these 4 times larger, and you'd have around ~2280HP, theoretically. Four of those mean 9,120HP. Then add the ICE, and you get a W16 with 2 electric motors making... 13,654HP. Imagine a car with a carbon-fibre weaved graphene (added) monocoque sub-frame and chassis, with tons of structural rigidity for 250KG. You could probably get the drivetrain to be ~600KG + a Tesla million mile battery pack (Another 400KG) + the lightest possible interior, brakes, carbon-fibre rims etc for 100KG and a get a 1350KG car with a 10:1 power to weight ratio... Imagine!
This is definitely having some superhero physics in here
@@slideways8022 Imagine cooling the thing...
loving the videos lads!
This is the best channel on RUclips, do not @ me.
Now Aston should make a consumer tiny sports car with that 240bhp 3 engine. They'd seell a shedload. (a shedload is slightly more than a crapload and a less than a fuckton)
I was wondering if someone could combine four kei car engines into a V12 and ended up here. It will take me years to figure it out but I hope to hear it fired up.
So basically the valkary V12 is that inline 4 engine used in the cx75 with one cylinder taken off.
We need that 1.6 3 cylinder screamer in a junior hot hatch
Great video!!!!
ayyy.. michael and jeremy making a cameo :D
Been waiting for this video
Very out of topic question. But what number hair clipper attachment are you using to cut your hair?
Because I want to cut my hair short like this since hair salons aren’t open, but don’t know what number attachment to use.
Little 3 pots are so fun & exciting 😂👌
Koenigsegg knows what to do with that 3 cylinder once others don't need it anymore.
Can someone speak out about how unfair it is that the "b is for build" Mustang got seized, it's a big slap in the face for car enthusiasts and drivetribe is FOR car enthusiasts
Go make a video with cosworth
Hello Mike, love the content (especially your technical explanations), but would emissions regulations have any effect on cylinder firing orders - at an extreme would screamers or big bang engines disappear from the road or track? If so, would it affect cars or motorbikes more?
Thanks again and stay safe.
Motorcycles have way less emissions regulations than cars
I keep seeing gifs and photos from Achievement Hunter, specifically Micheal Jones, used in other videos! How random to have a DRIVETRIBE and AH connection!
So the more you scale up the Valkyrie engine the better its emissions?
Is there an 16 cylinder version with a 30,000L displacement? I've got an oil taker that needs to be moved
I know Aston has developed a new V6, but I would love to see Aston introduce a straight 6 version of the Valkyrie's engine (turbocharged or otherwise). The company has such an amazing history with the straight 6 engine, from winning at Le Mans to competing in F1, and much, much more. By contrast, Aston has no history with the V6 as an engine configuration (a configuration which everyone else has already mastered as well). 😔
I'm here after the announcement of the T50
If only they made kei cars avaliable in EU. Can you imagine a small nimble, (relatively) cheap Honda s660 with a screaming cosworth 3 cylinder turbo?
So you're saying that if i have a two inline 6 i can make a boxer 12 or a v12??
So if have two 2jz engine block i can make a v12 2jz or a 12 boxer 2jz
Will the Valkery run on the WEC in 2021??
Cancelled program unfortunately, I'm looking forward to seing Glickenhaus and Toyota though
Fascinating
Not sure why exhaust pulses are important for emissions, but thats probably why i am still not the chief engineer at Cossie
(:P)
I want that 500HP i6 engine in my civic.
I want to put that in my ten year old focus so bad
Imagine koeniggsegg's camless tech on an engine like this 😎🤔
just to think you could have a Cosworth I6 12000 RPM redline with 500 BHP is insane
well , my daily hack is a 3 cyl turbo diesel skoda .. so if i get another 3 engines & break out the welder i could have a V12 quad turbo ??
The sand car is like turbo charging or boosting your aerodynamics lol
Isnt konigsegg making a i3 for their 4 seater? I have an idea!
Where is this dialect from? I like it. Rgs from Norway.
Pure madness!!!
Sebastian Vettel would send this to the Ferrari Engineers, "Bring back the f*****g V12s"
Anyone know of that origin story he can't talk talk about and wish to share? Cheers
Jaguar engine
Someones been driving around in a convertible a lot hey Mike.
I do own a MkII MX-5... so probably.
6:00 is that a gif of Michael "Mogar" Jones and Jeremy "Monster Truck" Dooley??? In a drive tribe video??
I know electrifcation is coming but that sound is something that future generations will never be able to enjoy. Goodwood could be the biggest event on the planet!
Nissan: Can you make us a LeMans racing engine please?
Cosworth: Yeah sure, here you go **gives an amazing engine**
Nissan: Cool, now we're gonna stick it into FF chassis racing car.
Cosworth: u wot m8
I really liked the car though, really out of the box thinking. And the Deltawing too.
Would be cool if they for there hands on the koninsegg 3banger
Now Cosworth must take it to the next level: a W16.
Come on guys, you can do it!
Love your accent
I'm not actually sure (except for cylinders heads, pistons, injection, intake manifolds etc.) how you can develop a 3 cylinder engine and have it "almost done" and just scale it up to 12 without still major work.. how you balance an inline 3 cyl crankshaft (that later will be a V12) there are major counterbalancing forces acting on the pistons, flywheel, etc. which in the end determinate you max rpm. Thermals? A 3 cyl engine has way more dissipating surface that those same 3 cyl in the v12.. Exaust? Same problem.. you have to take into consideration scavenging effects and harmonics if you ever want to connect those 4 cat. If they've done it I'm sure it can be done, but still.. looks like major work to me
Wait. You’re showing the Cosworth GMM IC3 engine. But that was designed for the T.50, a 3.9L V12. The Aston has a 6.5L V12, so I don’t think that these mule i3’s are related...
Could be the same block casting design, de-bored and de-stroked.