DIVERS REACT TO COMPLETE "TRAIN WRECK"
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- Опубликовано: 10 окт 2021
- This was such a "train wreck", there's something awful about watching divers skyrocket out of control to the surface from deep underwater!
Original Video: • Scuba Dive Gone Wrong
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Ouch - a lot of tough comments regarding my video. I guess I deserve much of it and am thankful to have survived the "train wreck". BTW, if you look at my notes accompanying the video you will see that I corrected the "narcolepsy" with "nitrogen narcosis". I was hurrying in editing the process and made that mistake. I left it in the video itself to see how many people were paying attention. Do you think me and my partner are ready for cave diving?
Thank you for commenting n this one, all jokes aside, I wish you guys continue your education and improve your skills to the point of being ready to be cave divers. I would really love to see that.
@@DIVETALK we have have done a few successful dives since then in St. Lucia, Grand Turk, Cozumel etc. No more unplanned dives. More skills to acquire!
Did you guys feel any bends symptoms from the ascent?
@@truedox We both felt weak, tired, and not ourselves for a couple days afterward.
This comment kinda rubs me the wrong way. First off you assume the average person is reading the description on YT videos (they're often not) AND you assume anyone who knows about narcosis would have to be paying attention to notice - they either read the text on the screen and knew instantly or didn't read it.
You didn't state that you've made several safe days, practiced mask clearing, practiced correct weighting, revisited the site again with more experience and completed a proper do-over dive, etc. and yet you jokingly ask if you're ready for cave diving. Compared to other people who've commented under dive talk reaction videos wherein they were the subject, you don't seem very humble or more experienced at all.
As a rescue diver, the sounds I made watching his video prompted my wife to comment “I think I just heard your soul die.” I didn’t see ONE thing this guy did right. If I was the dive master with these guys, I’d take away their cards until they demonstrate proficiency in BASIC scuba diving skills. This video just makes me MAD.
Who gave them a cert in the first place
@@Aphobius …
@@Aphobius Who hurt you?
@@Aphobius you sound weirder than any Baptist I’ve talked too
@@Aphobius you're too traumatized!
Man this was brutal to watch. Mistake after mistake after mistake and just keeps going further and further and further.
Where was the lord?
Tech diver here. I would make those divers re-start the basic course from the very beginning 😄
I'm much further down the skill ladder than you ( RD with Deep course).
I was barely able to watch the video. From that dangling SPG and the none existing finning techniques. Yikes!
To be honest it doesn't look to long before they started it. Its so obvious when you can see inexperienced divers on boats, im sure you know as a tech.. its just a shame we live in this world where body offers a hand or speaks out against something wrong. I truly belive this could of been avoided on the boat by talking to them. But past is past, wonder if these guys have joined us in the tech world yet 0.o haha
Not a techie but 20 year rec rescue diver….How that first guy didn’t blow both lungs out is beyond me. He literally flew out of the water.
@@ryanhampson673 no kidding. Lucky he kept breathing and didn't close his airway cause he'd be dead. Then goes in the comment section and asks if they're ready to cave dive... Like wtf you couldn't even clear your mask
i feel like ive got pstd from having to deal with people who should not have passed their OW People like this are why working as a dm was dangerous at times ha ha
How creepy his buddy just disappears into the distance while the other diver is already panicking
I was like "why would you go scuba diving as a narcoleptic?!" Lol
Lol he was narced
Or a necrophiliac!!!
@@FoundInTheRiverAndCaves this was almost a good opportunity for that
@@elyriggs4999 lmao just barely a miss
Narcotics and anesthetics(inert gases) cause narcosis which can lead to narcolepsy.
I have done this dive site the Lily Parson's. The dive boat we go with gives a detailed dive briefing of exactly how to behave at this dive site and they didnt follow it at all. In the video if you see the French divers following the chain at the bottom they appear to be doing this dive site correctly. This dive site has fairly heavy current and that's why they surrounded this wreck with a chain/line. When your done on the wreck after circling it, you drift over the keel of the ship and drift for about 2 minutes, grab an exit line and do a safety stop. If done correctly this is a exciting and fun drift dive. No one we go with goes that deep (over 100 feet) and was totally uncalled for, not sure why they did it.
I've done it too. They are very detailed about the exit and how to do it. These guys either didn't get it or deliberately chose to do their own thing (the 2nd). It's a good thing that Karma wasn't looking that day.
He was trying to set a wreckord
The scariest thing about this is that when they came up to the surface, the didn't take it to a level of seriousness that I would hope. They laughed it it off which is dangerous, makes me think that they won't learn from all those mistakes.
He'll pay for it when he gets a little older and develops arthritis in his joints.
@@Shadi2 didn't even think of that! Good point
downvoted because of your name
@@Shadi2 With that channel name he probably thinks "god" will protect him lol
Some people react to dangerous situations that way, they know it's dangerous and it certainly scares them but what else can they do besides laugh away the dread they felt and move on, hopefully learning from the experience. Not saying that's these guys, these guys might just be stupid, but I know I've been in very dangerous situations that scared the heck outta me n I just reacted by laughing the stress and anxiety off telling myself how dumb that was n swearing to never do that again. Going in depth about a life threatening mistake right after it happens wasn't what I wanted to do, just get away from it. Idk bout these guys tho, like I said they're probably just dumb
Reminds me of snorkeling with my brother. He would be my “buddy” and then we kit the water and he never turns around to look for me. Just powers on and goes as fast and as far as he can. I remember the last time he went around a point ( where I said I didn’t feel comfortable going because the current picked up there) and I just had to stop following or else get myself in trouble. I stayed as far as I could and waited for him but it was nerve wracking worrying that he would get into trouble . IMO a good buddy matches pace with the weaker /slower/less experienced member and make regular checks with them . I do not go out with my brother anymore lol
Yes, yes, a thousand times left. It is NOT the slower diver's responsibility to make sure they are close to the faster diver, because how would they possibly be capable of that? It HAS to be the faster diver's responsibility to stay close to the slower diver.
I can understand why you don’t. Kinda rotten if your brother to leave you like that.
@@miashinbrot8388 LOL I was ditched by not only a Dive Master, Advanced Dive Instructor AND my boyfriend. That (last time ever dived with him 😜🙄) was a shore dive and he left me in the surf having turtlled trying to put on fins. (Still love my HP tanks though 😁 and of course the individual on shore that got me to my feet, finally. 😒)
that reminds me of how dangerous my dad is... doesnt give a sh*t about other people.. he cuts wood & trees with a chainsaw.. he never wears safety equipment.. no pads, no glasses, nothing.. he never turns the chain off while not using it (ie a locking mechanism so u cant accidentally press the chainsaw to rotate and cut) and when im there trying to help him by picking up logs hes cut.. he often just turns around while the saw is still spinning with it flailing about wildly behind him... i learned to do nothing until he moves off.. cos if i even try to pick up a log after he seemingly finishes and im carefully being 6 foot away from him ive on various occassions seen him suddenly swing the saw around and its been close to my head.. nowadays i dont even help him do it anymore - this was a few years ago.. im surprised he hasnt cut his own leg off by now
@@theredrover3217I hope you broke up with him too…
This is a great vid, shows so many common mistakes all in one:
-diving above their experience level
-not having a dive plan, or not sticking to it
-doing unnecessarily risky stuff (not sure if they did intend to deep dive, but that "were you trying to set a record" comment screams poor risk management)
-having poor mastery of basic skills (mask, ascent) (and filming stuff when you're not particularly competent should be a no-no too)
-no safety stop
-the worst one in my opinion: not being with their buddy to assist/prevent any of this stuff.
-lost a fin...
-no concern post dive about breaching their limits.
Great commentary on this one too.
Gus and Woody, here is some context of this dive site. I know this dive site well having dove it over 30 times in the last 10 years. This is an Advance / Level 2 drift specialty dive. The wreck is lying upside down on the steep sloping edge of Sparrow Island. Where the mooring line is, the current is closer to 3 knots. You can see the line / chain is really stiff. The reason the mooring was placed there, is that at the bottom where the line is anchored, the current is almost nil, so groups can easily wait for their buddies to meet up before they take off. Now the tricky thing during this dive is that there are multiple current streams throughout the drift. Depending on how deep and or how far from the wall you are, the currents are at different speeds. You can even notice in the video when the filming diver is trying to catch up and screaming, he cannot catch his buddy because he is staying close to the wall where the current is lesser, and the filmer was where the current coming off the wreck pushed him away big time. So it is easy to lose your buddy there. Then once they start drifting deep, to reach 110ft, the inclination of the wall place you in under the St-Laurence Commercial Seaway. Very big cargo ships pass by, and in the worst case, the charter would not even be able to help you if you pop up in front of a passing container ship. Thus the concern of the diver for overpassing boats. Where he pop out of the water, he was less than 200ft from the shipping lane. In some places, the current can suck you between the islands and can push you to the opposite side of the islands.
I would have to bet the divers did not ask for Oxygen, they mentioned the lost fin to the captain, not the rapid accent. Sadly to say, but rarely do people ask for Oxygen because they came up to fast.
I'm sorry to say, that I have witnessed more than 10 times, on my chartered dives of 1000 island wrecks, people without the proper training or experience being unproperly screened by the charter companies. Warm water divers having never dived in cold water before, doing this exact dive. And often they did not enjoy the dive.
In addition, rarely does anyone pay to have a divemaster, and there will not be any on the boats otherwise. This is never told to new clients that think it's just like southern dive charters.
Now for the positive stuff. Wrecks in the St-Laurence are amazing, both from a historical to preservation point of view,. They are sites for Open Water beginners to Advanced Technical divers. Although the water is cold for most of the year, in the summertime, the water can reach mid 70F for several weeks. The freshwater means some 100-year-old wrecks look like they sank just a couple years ago.
Hope you will come and dive with us. Look up Scubapedia
Why is there no divemaster on such dive site? In my country most dives sites requires a dive guide or a divemaster
@@clydeceniza2521 This is common practice in Canada. Usually people start diving from a shore. Wast majority of beginner dive sites are shore dives. Also most of the times, people who dive in Canada also live in Canada and it's not like: "I've got a week of vacation, let's pack as much stuff in to it as you can." There's no rush. So by the time people get on the boat they are much further in their diving path, they often have all gear and their favorite way to set things up. A dive master for them will be a burden.
In contrast, carribian dive boat often have people who doesn't have gear, don't have many dives. Man, they might be an open water students. And that's fine, I'm not criticizing, cause it's totally different environment. Usual carribian dive where you have open space, 20+m vis and uniform flow of water. Where you can group all divers together, put one dive master in front and one behind and you're golden. They can see the group they can get things under control.
This doesn't work in Canada. Those dives you do from the boat are usually advanced dives with challenging conditions. It's almost impossible to manage big group. You can clearly see it on the video. Couple of meters away and you will be taken by the flow and gone before you know it.
Most of the people who dive here split into small subgroups and dive as autonomous unit. Typically a buddy pair , but 3 or 4 people groups works as well. Each group has their own dive profile and essentially you'll need a dive master per buddy pair, which is simply not practical.
Obvious issue is when people who used to dive south start diving in cold water thinking they know it all. Usually they learn very fast that it's not that simple over here, hopefully without accident. Especially diving in a middle of St.Lawrence river. This is not something to mess around. Most of the dive operators require AOW, proof of experience in cold water or both. Often boat captains "pre-screen" people while they assemble their gear, to make sure they are qualified for a dive they signed up for. I personally seen people taken off the boat, cause captain has safety concerns.
@@VladAdamenko Well by looking at this video I very much don't think this Capt. Checked for exp. Certs. Or really anything else except for can they pay for the dive? Lol and yes probably no DM as you said, also I wonder if they decided to go deeper just spur of the moment cuz mabey trying to get inside of the wreck" I know for me if I am properly geared up for it I love to explore the inside of a wreck if I can do I SAFELY...
I have dove this a few times and love this dive. They didn’t listen to the briefing and follow the chain/current to circle the wreck. At least he didn’t try to grab a rock and find out it’s coal!
@@clydeceniza2521 this is the Great Lakes- there isn’t really a dive industry serving tourists. People who dive the Great Lakes are usually pretty experienced divers who take diving seriously. it’s pretty hard to make a living running dives here. There aren’t the number of spare dive masters floating around.
Plan the dive, dive the plan.
Decision to go deeper should be called off immediatley.
They didnt even checked each other gauges before making that decision.
A instructor once told me accidents never come alone.
Its always one thing leading to the other.
In this video you can clearly see it.
Begins with the flooded mask, then heavy breathing (fast air consumption) then decision to go deeper.
It always starts out small but then like a snowball grows to bigger and bigger problems.
that was not a leader , just another runaway yahoo that didn`t even care about his buddy ! I rather dive solo that to deal with this kind of buddy !
@@frankc6430 totally agree man
The whole "accidents never come alone" is an amazing way to put it.
I totally agree with you on this with a big double thumbs up " thumbs up in agreement, not thumbing off the dive" smiles to all and Dive Safe! ! !
Incident pit
There are some people that I will not hike with, ride in a vehicle with, allow to work on things, pull me on a water tube, etc. I get the strong feeling that those guys, even if they were my friends, would fall into that category. They might be okay to have a barbecue with, but during most of their activities I would happen to be busy on those days. Lol.
Yea, they stopped being partners the moment they entered the water.
Ouu man...i told my 2 big time friends, that i love them and that i'll do anything for them,excpet diving and ride on motorcycles! So,i understand what you saying here.
@Dman Clem Hahaha! Yeah nice try. It doesn't have anything to do with experience or education. It has to do with disregard for safety and common sense.
High horse? Yeah the people that weave in and out of traffic 15 mph faster than everyone else because their destination is soooo important and those that think so highly of themselves that they do not take the necessary precautions, yeah, I would say that those are the ones on the high horse.
Trust em with your kid but not your girl ?
same bro
The best way to learn is from experience - preferably someone else's. That's why I love these videos. Great learning, not only for new divers, but for DM's and instructors who can point out stuff like this to illustrate why we teach what we teach
good point! this really is excellent learning material.
Great comment and absolutely on point.
He called it a flipper OMG 😂
“That was the most dangerous dive I ever did” I’d hate to see his other dives 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Keyword... was. I'm sure he lived and went at it again.
I call them flippers when I want to annoy everyone around me 😁
Flippers and goggles 😵💫😫
wow, this HAS to be the most sketchy dive I ve ever seen, it looks like panic from the first second... OMG... I would never wanna dive with divers like these
In the first min of the dive, my first thought was, he shouldn’t be handling a GoPro. I feel that divers today (and many people in other activities and hobbies), feel that recording everything is a necessity. Because he was handling the GoPro with one hand and pulling on the down line with the other, he was unable of to quickly and easily clear his mask (due to all hands being busy). Even when he reached the bottom, it would appear that it was more important to turn the camera to do a selfie for the mask clearing part, then to actually focus on clearing the mask.
What would have been better for this guy, is a mask or helmet mounted GoPro. Hands free. Just brings a bit of safety for his situation. It the safest thing for him, would appear to leave the camera on the boat. Focus on surviving the dive first. You can always go back and film it next time.
That's the reason I don't have a GoPro. As i feel, that i still have to make progress as a diver, I don't want to fiddle around with a camera. The risk of something bad happening, while not being aware of it, is just unnecessary.
These guys are clearly inexperienced. The Bouyancy was horrible. The trim was about 45-90° off. And their decisions were absolutely questionable. They should first address these problems, before they take a camera to a dive again.
Also, them not recognizing, that they are in a very high risk of DCS is another thing of its own.
Yep, great point! I take a camera on dives and take lots of vids with it, but I made sure I only started doing that after I was very comfortable with my skills, otherwise it's just a hindrance like here.
Hey Henry ... this is a great channel isn't it? I've been on this wreck a couple of times and quite enjoyed it in the pre-zebra mussel days. When the video indicated concern of boats above - it was in reference, not of dive boats, but of the lake freighters. Cheers, Steve
There's a reason why underwater photography and videography are considered specialties in diving... moreso with current. If you're taking a GoPro, even if you're an experienced diver, always have something you can clip it to your BCD with, in case you need both hands pleaseee 😭 this was painful to watch.
@@DaniTessa That's a good point. I actually know a pretty good photographer but a shit diver that died here locally quite a few years ago. He was overweighted, ran out of air, but refused to let go of the camera. Almost drowned his dive partner who couldn't keep him afloat. Didn't have enough sense to ditch the weights or better yet, drop the camera. Sighhhh.
Woody is like the chillest grandpa who you listen to his stories every time he comes over for a holiday meal and he just has endless events to discuss.
This is what happens when you try to dive above your level of training and experience.
Words I never thought I’d hear from Woody: “let this play out, then we’ll talk” 😂 jk I’m not complaining I love your guys’ commentary, that’s why I watch the vids! Just made me chuckle to hear that.
HOLD ON A SECOND PAUSE IT RIGHT THERE!!
Video at 0:01
Woody: "Stop. I have several questions."
You forgot, “Wait, here’s my reaction,” lol. He’s the only RUclipsr I’ve ever heard actually use the word “Reaction” in his “Reaction” Videos. It should be a drinking game, how many times will Woody say “Reaction.”
He looks like he owns it. The diver left a comment about halfway down his video comment section:
"@Tony Bedford I appreciate your input - you are right on all accounts. I have had to take my lumps with this dive but I keep it on here so that future divers will take note. This dive was a wake up call for us and we have been doing a lot more training in the pool at a dive shop. Thanks again!"
snitch
A man will always own his mistakes.
@@Hello-ig1px 😆😆
truly a terrifying dive. can’t help but wonder if the issue clearing his mask of water at first assisted greatly in setting the rest in motion (after an onset of anxiety!). that, the intense current, the depth, and lack of a strong buddy system made me feel unhinged!!!
No way anyone is certified, I would be laughing, if I wasn’t so worried they might die.
These guy's didn't look like they've been below 10ft let alone 100ft.
I'm at 11:42 - this is painful to watch, I can feel my sinuses rupturing, this would hurt me bad. :-o OMG he just shot up out of the water! I feel like I've seen most diving accident videos on RUclips. They're better with your commentary.
Ditto
Hi Guys - yet another viewer who knows nothing about diving but finds your channel absolutely fascinating. The two of you have great chemistry, possess the patience to explain to us land lovers in simple terms what is transpiring, and the ability to locate the best clips to react to. Found y’all through John Allen’s podcasts, so kudos to all three of you! 🎉🎊
Me too. I have absolutely zero desire to dive, however, I love watching these two, I find this fascinating.
So many possible suffocating and claustrophobic things that can happen while diving… is why I probably could never do it. But it fascinates me, so I live vicariously through these videos.
Wow, thanks for reacting. Lillie drift is my favorite dive on the river, I think first time I saw the video I left a very angry comment... Will try to add some context without being emotional.
The wreck is at the side of an island in the middle of the St. Lawrence river, facing the shipping channel. Max depth at that spot is I think 180 feet (I know for sure I've been to 130 and the wall just goes down and disappears into darkness), and overhead there is at times very heavy traffic, including ocean cargo ships going to and from the Great Lakes. So when we go in we are instructed to treat it as overhead environment, and if we have to ascend, do it along the wall and never straight up. A freighter can't stop or move over...
The wreck itself is a nice little penetration if you're trained and good in tight spaces. For the drift part, there are actually 2 completely different drifts that both start at the wreck, but end at different spots, so you have to communicate to your captain which one you are doing, no spontaneous decisions underwater. The short drift is what I assume they were supposed to do, start at the depth of the wreck and go around the island gradually ascending, exit sheltered from the current behind the island, nice beginner to intermediate dive, 20-25 min total. The long drift is when you drop to below 85 feet for at least first 12-15 min of the dive, then instead of being pulled around the island you go along the shipping channel, then surface behind the next one, about 50 min including 10 at the wreck itself, still recreational but definitely not beginner. The current at depth is much stronger and very variable, with occasional up- and down currents, so you need good buoyancy, good air planning (my RMV is 0.45, and I won't do that dive on an 80), and generally need to know the dive plan and when to ascend to surface at the right spot. No way these divers could have done the long drift, I don't think they even have computers to time it, and if by some miracle they did, their boat would have likely waited for them at the wrong exit. And what you don't want to end up doing is something in-between the long and the short one, because then you'll be pulled between the islands to the other side, and hope your captain has seen the bubbles and will go fish you out of there.
BTW, the viz in the video is amazing for the river. I think it was filmed when zebra mussels just moved in, there were a couple of years when the water was really clear... but now the stuff that eats zebra mussels has moved in as well, so we're back to diving in soup, and below 100 it is basically a night dive. Still, I forgot the gloves once, and ouch... won't do that again
The point is, please, know your limits, plan your dive and dive your plan. There had been diver deaths in the river last few years, there is no need to add to that statistics. There are lots of cool beginner-friendly dive sites in the area, and lots of experienced dive guides willing to properly brief and take people with them.
holy crap! he popped out of the water like a friggin cork.
Yeah...it looked like he could've brought a couple of more people with him. Looked like he had helium in his balloon 🎈.😂🤣😂
Yeah...it looked like he could've brought a couple of more people with him. Looked like he had helium in his balloon 🎈.😂🤣😂
I suffer panic attacks no way would I dive but just hearing this man breathe TERRIFIED me!!
The minister had his invisible friend on his side.
I laughed so hard at the "narcolepsy" xD
About dive buddies staying together: It is NOT the slower diver's responsibility to make sure they are close to the faster diver, because how would the slower diver possibly be capable of that? It HAS to be the faster diver's responsibility to stay close to the slower diver. If the faster diver does not take that responsibility, then no one is taking responsibility at all.
I feel rather passionate about this, as a person who cannot walk at most people's normal walking speed. If I'm with someone who walks too fast for me, how can I rectify the situation? Similarly, how can the slower diver rectify the situation?
I've considered simply stopping where I am and waiting to see if they even notice -- but I know someone who has repeatedly walked far ahead of me and just assumed I was okay with being left behind. Or something -- I can't be sure what they're assuming. But at least on land I'm not usually in any danger if I'm left behind, so they're not endangering my life -- but equally, if something bad happened to the companion who outdistanced me, I would not be able to be there to help in any way.
What I found out after being certified is that my instructors should have shown us how to do a weight check. They did not do that at all. They just gave us the estimated weight they thought we would need for the pool and told us that our ow dives might have a different amount of weight used. They just had us use whatever weight they thought would be good and we just went down. We didn’t do a weight check at all.
During the actual ow dive, the instructors we had were different. I dislike this too. They give you totally different instructors who don’t know you. These instructors had us blow out to see if we were properly weighted but we didn’t really understand how it worked. They just showed us once, while we were in the open water.
Since my certification I’ve been researching about how to do a proper weight check.
Was the same in my OW class
I think the guy was sarcastically commenting about how fast the other diver swam when he said "are you trying to set a record?" He's annoyed that he wasn't there to help when he needed help or something like that.
There was something inherently unsettling about those 2 scuba divers chuckling about their descent after skyrocketing to the surface without decompression stops.
I'm talking "Ukranian kids playing in the toxic radiation ashes after the Chernobyl reactor explosion" unsettling. Hope they're okay.
Another great one, Gus & Woody :-)
It was said elsewhere in the comments that they felt strange for a few days afterwards. According to old navy tables they were in no danger at all, but the navy tables have been revised because so many people got bends from diving according to them.
They look like new divers. Looks like the guy with the camera is task overloaded, the rate he is breathing is insane, the ascent rate is waaaaaaaaay to fast for the safety reasons as Gus and Woody explaining. My guess he was very lucky not being to deep and not for a long time when he skyrocketed without getting injured but this was extremely dangerous . Pfff this was a scary one to watch. Nice explaining from Woody and Gus about what happened 👍👍
Love what you said about zebra muscles
In Lake Champlain; they were introduced from not properly clearing a boat at some point, people were pissed at first, but now the lake is cleaner. Sharp as heck though.
@Jane Smith Oops. Good call. Typo.
My friend brushed on a dock and had to get like 20 stitches from them.
While in the "rabbit hole" of RUclips videos, I came across your channel. I love it. I am an experienced diver and believe in SAFETY big time. Great learning lesson from these videos. Thanks for what you guys do on this channel.👍🏽
#newsubscriber
After seeing Gus being so comfortable with diving, and so experienced, and being a big dude cuz me and him are probably the same exact proportions from what it looks like. I'm 5'8 215lbs. I'm not saying we're fat or anything I'm just saying we're big guys... and me seeing you doing doing so well gives me the confidence to want to try something that I never thought I would have the balls to do lol. I don't know maybe it's a similar feeling to the 1st time you go down a Black Diamond skiing?????? Shout out to woody 🤙🏼
I still remember my first time seeing this one I the entire time was talking about how they haven’t mastered a single skill required for a open water certification
This one was a little stressful to watch. It's a great one for educating us though for sure.
Also, you guys hit 50,000 SUBs!!! Congrats on the tremendous growth this year!
I remember my first night dive I was in a new dry suit and super stoaked. Was looking at a crab and my suit got corked and shot me to the top from 60 ft screaming all the way to the surface. I really thought my lungs were going to explode and after I got home I was in a mental fog for a couple weeks. I’m good now but This is 100% real. If I was any deeper I wouldn’t have been so lucky.
I've been to the original video. They take loads of flack over there. Apparently they just felt terrible and weak the next day though I did ask if they went to hospital for treatment.
I live in New York on lake Ontario and have alot of experience on our Great Lakes but the Saint Lawrence is a whole different monster. Extremely cold non stop current and alot of change in the current depending on the weather coming out of Canada. It might not be that deep but still can be dangerous. Just wanted to let you guys know. I could talk with you guys forever about our beautiful great lakes but I will save that for another time.
A lot*
That was stressful to watch all the way through. I've only ever dived recreationally (less than 100 dives), but from the moment that guy couldn't clear his mask and he appeared panicky - then hes breathing heavy and hasn't got neutrally bouyant .... I think i would have called the dive then.
I know no one wants to be the guy that cancels their buddies dive - but that guy just isn't ready for that dive - and when they start to go deep... (*Why* and how did they decide that???) That was horrible to watch.
Also - after that *mental* ascent when they are both on surface - they are suddenly all relieved and happy almost joking with each other - I buy that there would be an element of relief and adrenalin there but these guys clearly don't realise at all - that the danger isn't over, at all, you're still in dire straits there at the surface and they think they are ok -
I wonder how many dives they had logged ? They just don't seem to get it at all. I hope they are ok.
It's so true what you say about beginners kicking and not going down. I used to do it, and my instructor would say to me, "stop kicking" and I'd be adamant that I wasn't kicking. But... I know now that I absolutely was kicking, but just didn't realise that I was. How can I be kicking and not know it? I used to think. But you can! 🤣
Great points on buoyancy for OW dive one around the 20 minute mark. I like the point that Woody made from an instructor perspective of squeezing the knees, but I also find myself doing what Gus was talking trying to avoid in catering to the student and over weighting. Important perspectives for students and instructors
Guys, have a look at: One Breath Around The World by Guillaume Néry.
The diving in the St. Lawrence river is outstanding from the few times that I've been. I can't recommend it enough. The area around the Lillie Parsons can have a down current which is what I think happened to these guys. The dive site isn't particularly challenging. But I think they were under-briefed and under-prepared for the situation. Also choosing to go for 100ft there is foolish. The current is absolutely ripping most of the time. We spend a few minutes on the chain that is attached to the wreck, then let go as a team and follow the wall into sparrow bay.
greenland sharks would scare the ish outta me.
@@truecrimejungle sharks are your friends. Don't be afraid of them.
I am a non diver,..so thank u woody n gus! Love ya both...
You can always see the small things that can lead up to an incident, heavy breathing, seeming nervous, shouting for a buddy that's too far away.. so many little indicators that something could go wrong, and I agree that the conversation afterwards on the boat would have been interesting to hear what was happening for both divers. Another great vid guys
This kind of videos are extremely valuable to learn a lesson from. A bad day of diving will happen to everyone sooner or later but when a mistake is “reversible” we have to reflect and work out why that happened and how to avoid it again. Well done guys! ❤️
This wasn't a bad day as much as shitty planning and lack of skills
@@lilletrille1892 that’s the most important thing!!
diving in British Columbia we use both integrated and weight belts together. Crazy video!
I can't believe they actually filmed themselves doing this!!
Filming is one thing. Putting it out there is another.
Regarding new students that can't get underwater (and don't need more weight), I feel you are both right. First, they are not aware of their breathing (anxiety; understandable) and so they are not fully exhaling - so their partially-full lungs are adding to their positive buoyancy. Second, they are kicking without realizing it (and/or struggling in any number of ways), so of course they cannot relax and get control of their breathing - not to mention their fins (flippers lol) are moving water and pushing them up. Great training vid - I think I may share it in my next rescue class.
I've dove the Parson's several times, thankfully not as dramatically as this. There can be pretty high current in the St. Lawrence, so I can understand the huffing and puffing. That ascent though... wow... glad they seem to have survived it without ill effect, but I really hope they understand how risky that is. Can't understand why he wasn't able to arrest it over the minute it took to reach the surface, was he unable to dump his air? Didn't look like he even tried. Always scary to see people do something super dangerous and not seem to realize it.
Congrats on 50k well deserved subs, Woody n Gus! Thank you for making my day a little more interesting😁
Our pleasure!
Great content! I'm really glad you guys make such videos and dissect even near accidents with fact-filled interesting commentary.
Advanced Open Water Diver here. I'm glad i never experienced something quite like this, especially since my initial instructor, with whom i did my junior Open Water with actually took us to a few Wreck dives before I had my full license and was in a group with multiple new scuba diving students. At the time it was really cool as a Kid at 13 but after having done my Advanced I realized how many illegal/unneccessarily dangerous things he did with us, including going down to 100ft.
Although I lack the dive experience of the hundreds of dives I was really confused at this video. There was so much hecting breathing, buyoncy problems and so much disregard for each others safety. The panicked rapid accent and just rapidly flying by the wreck. Nothing made sense to me, even before they got to a depth to get narced.
I'm glad nothing happened but either they didn't talk through the dive briefing properly with each other or got reckless, i can't tell but i hope they have become better divers since then with more caution and regard for each other.
Keep up the great work for putting out valuable information, especially about cave diving that i hope to try one day after doing the proper training.
He called it a flipper needs to be on a shirt dive talk 👍🏻😂
Every video you put out the quality gets better and better! Well done on 50K too guys
I cannot stand incompetence. I wouldnt let these guys in my pool
Ah that entire video gave me so much anxiety 😂 the way he sucks air from the start the way he clears his mask the rate he descends at (my ears hurt) the way he inflates his BCD to ascend instead of deflating. My heart is actually racing rn
I’m a pretty new to your channel but I’ve been binge watching ever since. Love the content. Keep up the great work. Love from Canada
I remember when i started diving there was a novelty around "what is the deepest I've been down." However, some of the best undeewater experiences have been in 1 or 2 feet of water. That has helped to change my mindset. Rather than how deep can i go, i tend to think, how deep do i need to go to accomplish a certain task or goal. The shallower i need to go the better off i am. It is nice to be able to go deeper, but not always necessary.
Ton of benefits keeping shallow:
1. Safer.
2. More white light.
3. Generally, there is no need for safety or Deco stops.
4. Depending on the site, more to see.
5. Bottom time is insane. Single tank you can be under for an hour plus.
Very fun to see live reactions from both of you! Thats awesome!
Very scary dive. I hope the divers are ok with no long-term consequences. Maybe they'll see this and chime in with their after care.
Thanks for educating me why it was so hard to go down when I was a new diver. I thought I must be very "floaty"! I always ended up over weighted. Now it's much easier to dive and I need much less weight. I had no idea why. Now, I have some ideas! Always user error!
i just had a thought : among divers the phrase "get bent" is a way worse insult than it is in normal (non-diving) day to day language
Woody is right about the kicking thing. It's something my instructor had to tell me several times, and I never noticed myself doing it.
Can't stop watching these, great commentary every single time.
Holy cow! Seeing that guy shooting him self up to the surface, I instinctively emptied my lungs.
Congratz on the 50k subscribers!!! Every video I either learnt from or had a good laugh, mostly both 👌
Open water diver here, Recently started watching your videos and I really love the wealth of knowledge you share in addition to your reactions. I feel like I’m being reminded of so many things in every video that I can keep in mind on my next dive opportunity. Thank you!
Congratulations on 50k subs!! Well deserved!!
Thank you!!
CONGRATS ON 50k!!!
Hope they are well and more experienced/educated now.
You guys are amazing!
I get the feeling these guys are “weekend warriors” that do something half-ass on a Saturday & think because they’re having fun it can’t be dangerous.
👍 that water looked like it had great visibility or is it just me? I'm not a diver but that looked great to be down 100ft on a wreck site.
I really enjoyed this video and the both of you are educating to watch and listen to.👍👍
I love diving the Lillie and doing the deep Lillie drift, but you have to follow the dive plan carefully. 110 feet is way too deep. As others have mentioned, the current varies greatly at different depths and distances from the island. If you get separated from your buddy after leaving the wreck, you probably won't be able to catch up with them. Helen (the charter operator) and her team give excellent briefings, so I can't relate to the divers just spontaneously "deciding" to do the drift instead of going back up the chain leading to the line, as the other group was doing🤔.
It is always a good idea to bring a surface marker buoy (SMB) when doing a dive like this. Worst case scenario, when he realizes that he is alone and low on air, he should inflate the SMB and do his safety stop while drifting. The SMB shows his location to the charter operator, acts as a visual depth reference, and clears boat traffic.
came accross your channel the other day and already binged all your videos lol love seeing the cave dives from experienced cave divers and also disasters that can also happen, really great to watch and learn.. sure you probably know about this place but this video was a joy to watch "Bird Cage Cave Dive! (The longest cave in the world!)" if you have never seen it im sure you would enjoy this place its magical
When they started sinking and going deeper and deeper my heart started racing I almost didn't want to watch cause I know, from your very detailed explanations. How much trouble they are about to be in. Pure dread
Also as a side note…when I do my open water, maybe Oregon, cold and all, but I’m looking for instructions like you guys give. I don’t want to piss of people by asking questions but I did when I skydived. The place I ended up with were cool with it and wouldn’t let us jump until we had it down and it was good weather. Free dive anyway.
I don't know the situation in Oregon. But most of the time, you have a few different instructors to pick from. The best thing to do, would be, if you go to them and talk to them. Before you sign up for a course. That way you'll see if you get along with the instructor and if he or she seems competent to you.
For most of the organizations like PADI or SSI, it does not really matter for which you go as their courses are more or less similar.
But if you have the possibility to make a GUE open water diver I would choose that. Their courses are way more in Depth and you start directly with DIR equipment which is necessary for everything above recreational diving.
@@MarcA75 I’ll keep that in mind. In Salem here there are at least two schools. And I’ve thought about it for decades. Just hate cold lol…so in the 90’s I tried skydiving. Absolutely loved it. Found a friend to go with and we both wanted the free fall course, jumping at 13,000 feet by ourselves. She did it once loved it but was done. The cost to do 7 more lessons within 30 days of each other was too much then so…and life has a weird way of enacting karma so two marriages later I’m still in Oregon for a while. Maybe in spring I’ll just go for it. I did martial arts my whole life and can’t really now so I need something cool I can do. Thanks for the recommendation.
They were only underwater for a very short time. I think that's why they were fine. I actually have a personal story that covers the issue...
Edit: replies appreciated, I'd like to hear what others think of this story, since it affected me a lot:
Early in my diving career, my father had an immediate issue as we finished descending to 90ft. He then ascended (slower than the bubbles), but kicked me off when I grabbed his ankle to force him to do a safety stop (I assumed he forgot).
Anyway, I was terrified, and started telling the boat support and more experienced divers about the issue to get him help (that he didn't want), but everybody calmed me down and explained that 5 minutes in the water is just not enough time to cause a problem, even at 90ft
So cool to finally see a video from you guys about my home river! The current in the middle of the channel is STRONG. I’ve swam out when I was younger and within 5 minutes was pushed further down stream then I coulda thought possible. Thanks for covering this dive talk! Also the zebra muscles are invasive like woody said and sharp as absolute hell. Will literally put a 3 inch deep gash in your foot if ur not protected.
I'm a non-diver and already watched over 20 of your videos. keep the great explanations coming! thank you, it's super fascinating
I was breathing like that on my checkout dives for open water. Im not sure if that was an uncontrolled ascent or if he’s practicing breaching.
I dove with a newby that was huffing pretty hard and pretty much emptied his tank while I still had nearly 2000 psi left. It was a shallow dive, and I got him back to shore. He was pretty upset about it. I gave him my spare tank and took him back out to an underwater platform. We practiced breathing and got him settled down. I dove with him a few times after that, he gained confidence and became a pretty good diver.
Are they even basic open water certified (whatever your chosen agency calls that level)? The only part that was okay in the whole video was the guy checking his guage.
I noticed it was just flopping around, it wasn’t secured.
I really appreciate these videos and your commentary during and after. The way you explain the principles and concerns behind diving are very helpful to divers and non-divers alike. I also appreciate that your commentary deals with the errors and also with things done correctly.
I definitely learn from these and will apply the lessons so that I can be a better diver.
I’m not a diver, never have been…never really had any desire to do it, but I LOVE these videos! I love Gus and Woody! These guys are just terrific. Great chemistry together👍 I can literally watch them discuss dive videos and diving for hours.
I’m just on my 2 module learning and if my buddy couldn’t preform the basic task of cleaning a half filled mask I would of called the dive for my own safety! As my redundancy wasn’t there
Had a very rough start this morning and nothing has gone right. I just started thinking about how yall say, don't panic and just relax and breath. so that's what I did still a rough long day but it will be ok! Great video hope everyone is well be safe yall!
Cheers man!!!!!! You got this. Remember - 1 rough day is normal. You have 364 too make it even better!!!!
Just do what's in front of you. I know that sounds super simple and stupid but, my dad taught me that a long time ago- anytime you feel overwhelmed just do what's in front of you and keep on moving forward- don't stop. Don't think about what's next, don't think about what you just did- do what's in front of you and concentrate on it 100%. If you do this you will always be living in the "now"- and that's where everything happens.
Yes @stoney thank you always moving forward never back! Each day is a task and each day we finish I've learned alot about everyday life watching @divetalk and talking to everyone here such an awesome community!
I'm not sure what you're going through but heads up brother. Some days can be rough. It will get better
@@budhunsicker8904 yeah for sure some days are rougher than others but ill always find a way through. Pain is just weakness leaving my body
The camera work is making me so anxious.
I also wonder how long the diver holding the camera had been diving for.
Always a good morning when DT has posted, love to see it!
I have said this before, and I will say it again. I hate that just about anyone can get certified. This is a direct result of how commercialized diving has become. Literally anyone, irrespective of their "mental capacity," can get certified. They seem very oblivious to how disastrous that was (14 min mark).
I say that knowing fully well that I am a diver today because of how commercialized and accessible diving has become. it is a double edged sword.
Seeing stuff like this just makes me cringe.
i kind of feel like the “what were you trying to do, set a record?!” was a sarcastically-worded comment of concern. i could see myself somewhat angrily asking that if my buddy did something beyond their ability and it put us in danger
Congratulations on 50k subs!! You guys rock! Bravo. 🙌
Another awesome episode of DIVETALK! Thanks Guys! You made my day :)
Gus' comment about the depth being perfect for recreational divers got me wondering: I know we intentionally sink ships as reef starters, but do we intentionally sink them as diving points of interest?
Yeah there's all kinds of stuff that gets put in specific places for both purposes. A lot of times there might be a ship that's being decommissioned or large fishing boat or some kind of military machinery like a tank or other cool stuff and it's intentionally sank in a place where it could become a "feature" to dive. A lot of times it's a dual purpose in regards to being the reef starter as well as a diving point of interest. Here's a good breakdown of the practice at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_ships_for_wreck_diving_sites
Absolutely!
It's also done for habitat for fish. I guess that's what is meant by for a reef but it's great habitat for all kinds of marine animals.
Happens all the time
The Arabian Gulf (where I’m at) is pretty much a desert if it isn’t for governments efforts to create artificial habitats for fish and diving. All we have under the water is statues, cars and planes
@@mas1158 I've never really thought about it but I guess that the oceans have desert like conditions also, where there's nothing but sand for miles and miles.
I would guess that planes and cars make decent habitat if nothing else is available. Huge bolders would be perfect.
Congratulations on 50k subs. Time for the 2nd part of the Edd Sorrenson video Gus took hostage.
Oct 18th
@@DIVETALK oh baby
You guys are fun to listen to keep the content up and keep improving and learning new tricks and things to get the channel growing I swim well used to I know nothing about diving but you guys make me want to learn