Court gives 2A Rights to Illegal Aliens?!?
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- Опубликовано: 22 сен 2024
- John Lovell peels back the confusion surrounding a recent Illinois ruling were an undocumented migrant was given gun ownership legal standing under the 2nd Amendment. Should firearm advocates celebrate this as a win for "God given rights" OR is it a step in the wrong direction?
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Got a parking ticket the other day for being parked illegally.
I'm not sure why. The sign clearly said 'Fine for parking'.
Clown world logic….so on point - and funny! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Love it!
Bwahahahaha 😅😂😅😂. I'm gonna steal that. 😅😅😅
Hold on let me get this straight democrats wants to take the American people's guns away but allowed illegal immigrants to have guns interesting... 🤔🤔🤔
I keep seeing those signs that say No Parking Any Time.
I parked a couple of dimensions over, and still got a parking ticket!
They take that stuff seriously!
all Americans need to ignore and disregard any gun restrictions.
Yup
En masse 👍
With heavy consequence. It’s important to be aware of these Soros and Bama funded prosecutors. In those areas, they will imprison you and lock away the key.
That would definitely kill gun laws.
Facts
the term "illegal immigrants" should end the conversation
Why? the right to self defence including the right to effective means to do so is a god give inalienable right that does not depend on where you are or where you were born.
@briannabenson4173 here it does. Sucks to suck
@@derekblubaugh3836 A right is a moral term and morality doesn’t change based on arbitrary lines drawn on a map by a group of thugs. People are equally morally justified in using whatever force may be necessary to defend their rights regardless what an organised crime syndicate hiding behind the euphemism “government” has to say about it!
Self evident Rights aren't dictated, when writing the constitution there were no citizens only people with a common belief in self evident Rights......
Nah son. Should I move to France and buy an AK? @@briannabenson4173
The fact that this even has to be a discussion is mind-blowing. My daddy recently passed away in the only good thing to come of that was he was so far gone he did not see what this country has become in the last few years.
On this land we have certain rights that are Inalienable. the constitution did not give us these rights nor were there citizens at the writing of the constitution, just people with a common belief in self evident Rights, if you give government permission to dictate these rights at ANY capacity you will soon lose them....
Being an American doesn't even matter anymore. We as citizens of this country have no better rights than random coming from China. Soon it'll be a free for all
Same here. I miss my Dad badly but at least he's not living in this insane world
The key word is "WE" not them and they are not us it's what separates us from other countries it's what people like my father and his friend fought and many died for. If you can't see the difference then I feel sorry for you. Don't bother responding it won't make a difference.
@@Minkagurl yeah my dad thought it was 1960 right before he died. Kept saying he didn't want to be in this world
United we stand. Divided we fall. We can do this. Ty
The fall part
@@Jrboysunsays the worthless freeloaders.
So I need a backround check but they don't?
No, you don't. You have submitted to government overreach. Stop submitting, stop consenting.
Criminals don't need background checks. Cash n carry society
Private sales, still legal in most places.
@@jasonshults368Technically yes, the lefties and advocates for the illegals are absolutely right on this... our Founding Father's saw bearing arms as a "human" right that was out of the jurisdiction of any government but, by that definition, Americans should also not have to pass background checks either and really neither do anyone in any nation *ANYWHERE*
It could’ve been through a private sale or bought in the other country legally. You don’t need a background check for private sales
Thanks for putting this truth out there.
Guess we don't need that pesky 4473 then huh!?
I identify as illegal hence no more 4473 for me. 💯🎯👍🏼
@rpc2112 this guy gets it!
Only applies when you buy in a shop.
@@AllAhabNoMoby he was being sarcastic
Unironically, this sets a precedent to challenge the need for 4473s.
Thank you. You hit the nail right on the head.
IT'S REALLY WEIRD HOW ONLY AMERICANS HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAW.
Oh yeah trust me as a black guy I've been saying that for a very long time I know you're going to make the argument that statistically my race gets away with a lot more crime but when that's the only option you have because people are paying attention to corporate crime or oppression, it becomes a lot more valuable than listening to people tell you do this that or the other and then ignoring the facts why you can't
Country has gone off a cliff
Democrats and bleeding hart liberals actually pushed the country off the cliff
U forgot purposely in front of the statement 😂
I thought firearms were a god given right?
I don’t get tattoos.
I have the Right to Bare Arms!
Yep, good job silent generation, boomers and gen x for letting it get here 🙄
Ridiculous! If you commit a felony - violent or not - aren't you stripped of your 2A rights? Isn't illegally gaining entry into another country a felony? Go ahead.. try to sneak into the Czech Republic, Malaysia, Argentina, Austria.. literally any other country, and see what happens and how you're treated. This nation has thoroughly lost it's mind...
It is a misdemeanor to enter or be in the US illegally.
You have to be CONVICTED of a felony before your 2A rights are restricted. Do you see any of these ppl going to court??
“Convicted” is important, critical. If we start denying ppl their rights bc we allow our buttons to be pushed by the assholes running us into the ground, they’ll be nothing worth saving anyway. So…even if a person enters the country illegally, they still haven’t been tried and convicted for it, which is why they used to just deport them. Now, the legality is so muddled idk what to make of it. If they were allowed in by the federal government, ARE they here illegally?? Bc that wouldn’t make sense either.
If they can strip you of something that makes it a privilege and not a right
It's a civil matter to be in the USA illegally. It's only criminal if you receive a final order of deportation or you start committing actual felonies.
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As an illegal he can not even pass the state required license to purchase scam. Yet the feds say that the state scam is legit...
Go figure that one out...
you forgot conservatives are on tour that no one needs background checks or licenses...its too late...the door is open..
Or, figure out how there is no Second Amendment in Illinois. There, you have to regularly pay the State in order for Illinois to grant you a firearm privilege. If your card lapses, you are no longer able to buy ammo nor own firearms -- and you face felony charges. Oh yeah -- you are a felon is you own an unregistered AR-15 in Illinois. #ComingToAmerica
Yeah- I'd like to see how fast my ass sits in jail w/o bail- if I don't have my FOID on me- cause "of riots". LOADOFSHIT.
And you said this before and I will say it again, because I don’t truly believe people understand this man and what he’s doing. May God bless John and his family, for he is acting as a leader should trying to educate and protect his flock as it were. God bless you and your family. John and God bless United States of America and God help us.
Couldn´t be clearer.
Thanks John!!
This is articulated 1000% better than i could possibly have done!!
My neighborhood barber got arrested the other day for drug dealing. I’ve been a customer for 6 years… Had no idea he was a barber!
😂😂😂
LOL
I bet he was always on the cutting edge.
@@Fr_dG You guys are funny. Love it.
Lmao
*LAPD is currently hiring them as officers. A recent PBD podcast guest outlined the process. So that's going on.* 🙄
Imagine being arrested by an illegal immigrant! 😡
If you don't know the Constitution and the rights of the people what it is to be an American and you had the power of a police officer as an illegal .American rights would really mean nothing to you,
Americans be prepared
Just say, sorry no hablo. And then drive away.
Same in IL
Hmmm going to be interesting how that will work out.
Thank you for doing Gods work brother
Dad was a WW2 Navy vet. My sister later served in 1980 at USNB Subic Bay. Her and I both struggle with the insanity we are seeing in our country today. 😢
I have heard a lot people weigh in on this issue. You seem to be the first one that actually I fully agree with on this issue. The people are the citizens of the USA.. If you're not a citizen you don't get these protections.
This argument is saying rights come from government
@@bigz5262 I think the interpretation is, the constitution states "we the people" citizens of America, have these God given natural rights, that our government pledges to protect. The individual is in our country illegally, and he is not part of "all members of the political community" i.e. citizens who have the right to vote. So why should he fall under our protections? All free peoples should have the right to vote, but they shouldn't vote in countries to which they don't belong to. Same prospect with 2A. Everyone has a right to self defense as a human being, but the protections designed for OUR people should not extend to anyone who is just here by residence, and not participating in our citizen-government agreement. TLDR; You have your natural rights as a human being, but you cannot expect other nations that you illegally entered and are illegally remaining in to protect you. Imagine this situation in any other country.
@@patrickmurphy6578 go read the Declaration of Independence. The entire thing. Then for fun read the constitution, not just the first line. You are still saying rights come from government, just with extra steps. I don’t care about other countries because no other country was founded on the basic principles of liberty. Conservatives are advocating for gun control as long as they are the ones that get to control
@@patrickmurphy6578 you can try to twist it anyway you want, rights don’t come from government. Go read the Declaration of Independence. The entire thing. Then the constitution, not just the first line. This whole thing is to get conservatives to support gun control
@@bigz5262 I didn't say rights came from the government brother, don't try and twist what I said. Every human has their rights. But if you go into a place that you are unlawfully in, good luck. If you stroll into a bank or a school open carrying, do you expect *not* to get arrested and jailed? You *do* have the right to carry a weapon to defend yourself, but if you break established laws while doing so, don't expect things to go your way. This illegal immigrant has the natural right of self defense, but he's breaking numerous laws just by being in the U.S. So why should he enjoy *our* civil protection of his rights if he isn't a US citizen and didn't respect our country enough to enter through the proper methods?
Exactly. When all you see is arbitrary lines separating countries, your perception of citizenship is muddied. They see citizens of the world, not the country. But there's a reason people are flooding here from everywhere else. By keeping an open border and extending the rights of our own citizens to everyone, we lose our core identity and will fall into despotism just like the places these people came from.
The reason I think those lines are arbitrary, is because we don’t get to choose where we are born. There are objectively richer and poorer parts of the world. These differences are not there just because the people in one country are smarter/ work harder. They are differences created over decades of violence, luck, and resources. When someone today is born into the USA compared to for example Somalia, they are automatically richer and have way more opportunities. This person did nothing to deserve these opportunities, therefore the person in Somalia has equally as much right to come to the USA. Saying that we should protect our borders is crazy if you realise that nobody deserves to live in any specific country.
@@lshn8457 That might be the most demoralizing post-modern desecration of the sacrifice millions of American have made that I have ever read. We work hard today to secure the blessing of liberty for ourselves, and our posterity. If you aren't a citizen you don't get the rights privileges and responsibilities of the Constitution. You're trespassing, get out.
@@lshn8457 Lol. Kind of tough luck and very unfair and very sad. Unfortunately that's most of the world and they cannot all be accommodated. You have to acknowledge that the people of different regions are intrinsically different and sometimes fundamentally incompatible with a society. It's not happenchance that the USA became the most prosperous country in the world and it cannot be reduced to luck, violence, and resources. There's a core American identity that was created by an industrious, scientifically-driven Christian people. Our governmental and societal institutions reflect that ethos. By having no borders, none of that exists, and it's just chaotic reflections of the infinite number of people that entered. Using your example: If large swaths of Somalians entered, the diasporas they would create would represent Somalia, not anything remotely American. And I'm not sure about you, but I'd rather not have another Somalia in the world.
@@lshn8457 You were 100% right all the way up until that last sentence buddy. We have legal immigration policy, which MUST be adhered to to CONTINUE to be such a great country. We might not have deserved to be born here in the US, but its not our FAULT when someone is born to the rest of the world. We must protect Liberty, and to secure her future, a regulated border is the ONLY way
@@TheRealYellerwith respect, I think what you're saying agrees to what the comment writer was expressing.
The only reason the activist judge ruled this way is to lay groundwork for saying they have a right to vote. Now what party is giving them free homes and free money?? They will have just bought 11 milion, a low estimate, permanent voters for their party. Absolute control will be theirs, until they find out what the true definition of the 2A is. All I will say is " their cries will fall upon the deaf ears of the men who wanted to be left alone "
The right to vote is a legal, or civil, right. Not a natural right. Only citizens enjoy legal rights. Natural rights belong to all free humans.
they are starting to arm one side for a civil war
Voting rights are civil rights and are granted by the government, thus we can deny them to non citizens.
The 2A, indeed the entire Bill of Rights, is mean to prevent the government from trampling on our natural rights. Anyone not of the government is a member of "the people" and is covered under the Bill of Rights.
The right good side has been armed for decades. Let them come.@zemog1025
What do you think about the idea that the right to self defense is a god given right? I’m caught between the two ideas.
The judge got exactly what she wanted. Memembers of the 2a community advocating against the 2nd amendment. Congratulations.
Yep! I warned against this. I haven't finished THIS video, yet, but am familiar with the issue. The antis want you to say "well, yea, not THOSE guys" because once you do, the next question is "well what about THESE guys" Don't fall for it, NO gun laws period!
Exactly. John is right that it’s a Trojan horse but his party line is confusing him about the intent
The "trap" is that the illegal aliens should not be here they should be arrested and deported. Do we allow prisoners to have guns? No, that's stupid.
Problem is. citizens have rights. Criminals dont. Illegals are criminals.
@@wraith511802003 “you’re a criminal because you don’t have the proper viewpoints”. Do you see how your line of thinking can be exploited? If a person is a threat take the person, don’t make it about their arms
TRUTH
I have been trying to make the same basic arguments since this ruling came down. Thank you for putting it much more clearly than I ever could. Very eloquent.
We know who the real enemy is.
I dont, who is it?
Ur momma.
@@nonyabusinessincWhat I’m saying Neo is when you are ready, you won’t have to.
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Look at who we’re funding right now
Up is down, left is right, good is bad... where have I read that before?
War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery...
Orwell's 1984 was supposed to be a cautionary tale. The Left sees it as a How-To manual.
Clown World
Alice in the Looking Glass!
I think my initial comment got censored. It was additional 1984 quotes
Wow. So well articulated
I wish certain people within the community would understand this. Great video, thanks for sharing!
My parents came here in the 80’s LEGALLY. Opened a business and had 5 children that grew up to love and respect this great country we call home. In2008 my father was pulled over for a simple speeding violation but was taken to jail for having a firearm in his possession. A judge found him guilty of unlawful possession of a firearm and deported him back to Mexico leaving behind my-at the time- pregnant mother with 4children. Seeing the special treatment these invaders are getting makes me sick.
You're not telling the whole story though. No legal citizen gets deported for an infraction, there's more to it.
He could be legal and not be a citizen - he probably had a greencard.
@@Robnord1probably a green card holder.
I bet you still celebrate the old country.
@@roastbeef4918 what old country? I was born a god loving American. In the greatest state too, Texas.
How the hell do they pass the 4473 check? No they shouldn't be allowed to have a weapon.
they shouldn't have a weapon but to give the government power to control arm sales is unconstitutional
@@callsignjoker2686 they already do😂 therefore if the law applies to US, it either applies to them or being an American has 0 meaning anymore.
@@NoNo_IStay I know the government already does and they shouldn't.. ALL gun laws are unconstitutional. Even banning weapons from NON Americans is unconstitutional
There shouldn't be a 4473. The issue is that they shouldnt be here to bear arms against americans in the first place.
@@NoNo_IStay Giving illegal invaders not only better financial benefits but greater civil rights and liberty than citizens makes being a citizen 0 meaning. Actually it makes you a chump.....you're PAYING for the subversion of your own citizenship. LOL
As stated, you became a “prohibited person” the second you crossed that border unlawfully. Well said, John!
If he intentionally committed a felony by crossing that border, perhaps. He was brought here as a minor by his family, and overstayed his visa, which wasn't even a misdemeanor. Possessing a firearm was his first criminal charge, and he has never been convicted of a crime.
If you want to extend "prohibited possessor" to people who may at some point be charged with a crime, that's going to water down your 2A rights some.
Absolutely on point.
They know modern Americans don't have the grit to do anything about it. 😢
If they don't stand up for it.
I’ve explained this to unintelligent uninformed idiots before so I will explain it to you. In Europe, and other places, they don’t have guns we have more guns, and every army put together in the world and 2 trillion rounds of ammunition and there’s a reason for that. So in those countries since they don’t have that they get out in the street, and they have a tradition of marching. We don’t have that we are in individualist country when it gets bad enough in this country that Americans are no longer able to afford to buy groceries and then when we become the thinnest population in the western world, those guns are going to come out And half the population will no longer be here anymore. That’s why we haven’t done anything yet because we are still fat and happy still living in houses with electricity and air conditioning. Do you understand?
This is true.
Sad but true.
I disagree. I know the American people have the grit (courage, resolve, strength of character), but we are distracted and suffering from news & digital fatigue.
The great thing is that I see people every day making hard choices to combat this and the myriad insidious ways that the enemy tries to take us down. How?
When people work to regulate themselves and parent their children with love, patience, and boundaries rather than impatience, anger, and fear.
When they have the courage to have hard conversations with people that disagree with them.
When they do the mental, emotional, and physical work that it takes to maintain relationships.
When the times comes to stand up and defend our homes and our country, whether from without or within, I believe people will and are standing up.
Have courage and don’t give in to despair!
I'm sick and tired of these destructive judges.
Over 86.7 percent of the population of the United States of America were born here we haven’t been a country of immigrants for a long time but our ancestors were immigrants but illegal immigrants don’t get the same protections we have .
Thank you John keep up the good work brother
I thought constitution applied to anyone in America. Once you move them out then protection of rights ends.
Thank you John for your all the ecncouragement and motivation you provide us with. Thank you to all those that are on your staff that are supporting this ministry. May God give faith to trust Him during this troubling time.
By being here illegally, they can't possibly pass their 4473 test now, can they? So - how'd they get the gun? Not via a gun store, but via a 'private sale', of some sort. Unless you're here in Maryland where ALL handguns (and other 'restricted' weapons) must go through an FFL, and hence a 4473 form must be used. Yeah, this whole thing stinks.
None of this is designed to make sense. It's designed to break this country into a million pieces and control all the pieces.
ARE they here illegally? They were allowed in, processed at facilities. The truth is you have no idea what their current status is, they’re not border olympians like they used to be. We need to know what the process is once they arrive at these border facilities, bc what if they’re being given something like a visa? That would mean they’re here legally.
@@liz9284Uncontrolled mass migration and giving foreign invaders firearms could potentially prove to be regrettable.
@@mikem2132 letting them in is going to prove to be regrettable, but it doesn’t change the fact that fundamental human rights don’t require citizenship. Don’t get me wrong, I hate what’s happening as much as anyone, but I’m 100% certain the anti-gun left will use any deviation from the constitution against us. “We need to restrict immigrants firearm access bc some of them could be terrorists” sounds a whole lot like “gun feee zones are justified bc a handful of ppl out there want to shoot up schools”. Just sayin, I think we’re screwed either way at this point, there’s no way the 2A ppl will stand by on this, they’ll abandon the constitution just as quickly as the left does. A little fear and a lot of insecurity and ppl will fold.
@@liz9284 You walk up you say I am seeking asylum and they hand you a phone with a court date. They don't investigate who you are or what you are carrying. In truth I find it hilarious that when a person buys cocaine or heroin here that it had to pass through a rectum first.
Kiss your votes goodbye, because thats what comes next they'll get to vote.
Considering that it matters not who casts the vote, but who counts it, I think it hasn't mattered since before anyone in this comment section was even born.
@@kellyalger2394 yeah, truth be told you're absolutely right.
The constitution guarantees the right to possess firearms to everyone.
The constitution guarantees the right to vote to all citizens.
There isn't any prohibition in the constitutions for states choosing to extend the franchise to non-citizens, but unlike the right to bear arms, it is not a constitutional guarantee.
The constitution matters.
@@alexanderhalavais8837 it's the American Constitution it guarantees the right to Americans, and voting is a right only the the citizens of that country because it's retarded not to be. You could just flood a country and destroy it try to go vote in France or Germany not being a citizen.
@@alexanderhalavais8837 no it doesn't it's the American Constitution and protects Americans only.
As far as voting in America it's a right for Americans only, allowing outsiders influencers to taint your system and how your government is ran or by whom it is ran is ignorant at best.
That is the distinction that need to be made when arguing the stupidity of that judge’s ruling!
Needs
Everyone has a right to self-defense, but not everyone has a right to be in the country.
Best explanation I have yet to hear John. Thank you brother!
2A isn't just about ownership. What is their definition of tyranny? Women not covering their heads? You going to church anytime you want?
You can remove the guy from your house and still believe that he has a right to eat. Eating wasn’t the crime, breaking into your house was.
Nope. Eating is a crime in this scenario. He's illegally in YOUR house, stealing then eating YOUR food.
Eating then is a crime. He has No right to eat. 🇺🇸
It would have been a better analogy if he broke in and was eating his own food. By all means, throw him out and charge him for breaking in but not for eating his own food. Should we charge him for speech crimes too while we're at it?
If someone in your home eating your food theyre depriving you of property AND food.
So yes, he was stealing my food but I fundamentally believe he has a right to eat. Pretty cold to think someone doesn’t have a right to eat because of their circumstances.
To bring it back, the right to self defense doesn’t come from the government that you were born into. It is a natural right that belongs to everyone. The second amendment just recognizes it. You are no better than the liberals if you want to take that right away from someone just because of where they were born.
@@mikefarmer4748ok turn coat. Lol go back to your hobby you spend so much money on to act cool and say you are pro 2A.
This is Illinois, what did you expect.
Home of America’s first Marxist Tyrant.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that ALL men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
It doesn't matter if they are an illegal immigrant, our constitution says "ALL men".. there was no such thing as an illegal immigrant during the founding times..
Not true, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 just to name a specific part of the constitution outlines that citizenship was a very real concept outlined at the writing and adoption of the Constitution. I will also note that the DoI has no legal bearing in relation to our country.
@@JaredaSohn Citizens for sure was a concept, what im saying is, there is NO crime attributed to being in the country as a non-citizen, or undocumented immigrant.
@@JaredaSohn Section 1 Function and Selection
Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution outlines the qualifications for the presidency, stating that only natural-born citizens or citizens at the time of the Constitution's adoption are eligible for the office. Additionally, candidates must be at least thirty-five years old and have been a resident within the United States for at least fourteen years. These criteria ensure that those who hold the highest office in the nation have a deep connection to and understanding of the country.
Regarding the Second Amendment, it enshrines the right of individuals to keep and bear arms, often considered a fundamental aspect of individual liberty, sometimes described as a God-given or natural right.
While the Constitution does not explicitly address immigration or specific civil rights, it lays the foundation for principles such as equality and due process. The phrase "all men" in constitutional rights has been historically interpreted as inclusive of all individuals, regardless of race, gender, or other factors. Additionally, the preamble, "We the People," signifies the collective will and participation of the citizenry in the formation and governance of the nation.
So, there was no such thing as "Illegal Alien" in the constitution. And a "God Given Right" is a "God Given Right". To defend your person and property. If you commit a crime then you pay what you owe to whom ever you did it too, hence the right to bare arms and defend your pursue of happiness I suppose.
As Americans, we talk about mercy and "bring me your tired and hungry," but when they finally arrive, whether under pretenses we like or not, we say "nah" and don't offer a way for them to be apart of this country in an efficient manner.
If you accept that "the people"only applies to citizens, then you must also accept that the government does have a role in regulating said Rights. That is lunacy.
The 2A, indeed the entire Bill of Rights, applies to anyone who is not a member of the government.
Voting rights are not human rights and are in fact only for citizens.
Eh these guys are unfortunately redcoats. These are the guys who call themselves patriots but will give up instantly.
No....the govt has a role in PROTECTING those rights...for its citizens. Should we invade Canada to restore the Canadians free speech rights?
@@007Chancellor the Bill of Rights exists to prevent the government from trampling on the rights of people as individuals and as a group, it does not exist to provide the government with a justification for war. So no we should not invade Canada or any other country on the basis of protecting their rights, unless of course the people of this country will it so. Notice I said people not government.
So does it also support _invaders, spies, and armies_ ?
Are they also protected because they have their foot on the U.S. soil?
This is the correct interpretation. Thank you.
THey aren't supposed to be in the Country to begin with, which is the exact reason we don't need to discuss what they can have in a Country they ILLEGALLY entered.
Exactly. This shouldn't even be a discussion.
Exactly. These people have their rights, but they should get deporting IMMEDIATELY regardless of those rights if they are here ILLIGALLY. That is the crime that is commited. Not Owning a tool to protect life
Congratulations, I'm so glad someone is actually using the grey matter that our good Lord gifted us with. I argued with people on another channel where this topic was discussed and I'm appalled at the number of people out there who think that... because 'it's a God-given right', no one should be denied the privilege of arming themselves with a heat stick. Even illegal aliens. But you are so right in your comment, and it's the very thing I was trying to get people to understand, that; if someone is in the US illegally, there's no point in even raising the question if that person can be armed. Because there's basically 2 ways in which to handle an illegal alien... If they commit a crime that requires a court hearing and sentencing,they should be kept in detention until that happens. If they are just caught here for entering illegally and didn't commit a felony, they should get an expedited deportation hearing and immediately deported back to their home country. It's so simple... some people cannot wrap their mind around it. What people also don't understand is that 'rights' are subject to the authority under which we live and operate. If one recognizes and acknowledges their Creator as the one, true God, they will acknowledge that He is the Supreme Authority. He is over all the earthly authority in human government on earth. Humans, because of their devious and carnal nature, often disobey and disregard the Supreme Authority that is over them. One can say all they want that 'bearing arms is a God-given right', and obviously the Founders of this country recognized that and wrote it into the Constitution to protect that right. But try telling that to the citizens of communist countries around the world. They choose, as probably you and I would, to obey their government on this issue so as to stay out of prison or be executed. Whether we're talking about God's kingdom or the governments of earthly nations, there are laws. And in both cases, breaking those laws will result in a denial of privileges. It's that way with citizens. So who comes up with the stupid idea that illegal aliens are exempt from denial of privileges when they break the law. Especially, when they are automatically breaking the law by entering illegally ?
@@pilgrimwings1295very well articulated, bravo.
When you mention the frig raider, reminds me the lady that a illegal migrant broke into her home, an told the cops he lived there, an she was arrested
Spot on!!
Once AGAIN, well said my brother!!!
@WPSN the biggest irony of the case John is talking about is that it is in Illinois where you need a special permit to own a gun. That card is called a FOID card
People who want to give illegal immigrants the right to legally own firearms also want to give them voting rights.
Ok turncoat. Its funny how anti 2A conservatards are. Lol
Usurping our country through illegal voters!
Hold on let me get this straight democrats wants to take the American people's guns away but allowed illegal immigrants to have guns interesting... 🤔🤔🤔
Illegals conflating urban voting districts through census counting is definitely an issue, but I'd be hard pressed to believe the Left could install an amendment to open voting rights to non citizens considering about 30 States would be more inclined to ratify an amendment for quite the opposite
Voting has never been a right. The government has always determined who could vote. Pewpews are a right. And the government does not have the power to decide who has one. Understand?
Jared of Guns N Gadgets RUclips channel absolutely says they SHOULD have firearms. If you think they should be armed, you fail to see what THEY are. An imported army.
lol if they were an army the government would just aem them themselves.
He's all fckd up on that one.
I don’t believe Jared would say that! What I-tube vid. I might have missed it!
Jared is wrong on that.
@@josephphelps5696 ALL HUMAN BEINGS have the right to bear arms. God didnt just say "well only these humans in these border lines in 1776 have the right to bear arms😂
Corruption and insanity are the new American norms!!
This video needs to be showed in school for government
Was an Obama judge if I recall correctly.
He said that
And what will we the people do about it? Our "military" won't defend our country or freedom.
@@c-krefinishers1850 I only expect them to invade other countries, they haven't fought for the people in a very long time.
Boom! That's my mind. I was happy that the judge did do that because it was a natural right. But then you come in and expand it in a little different way. And once again you're absolutely right.
Self defense is a human right. If you don't believe that, than this ruling isn't about guns to you.
The writing is on the wall folks. We are just about out of time. And no matter how bad people think they are. Together… is the only way we get through what’s coming.
NO, they don't! The bill of rights only applies to citizens! To enemy combatants get the benefit of the bill of rights too? That Judge needs to be disbarred and thrown in prison.
wrong, the bill of rights applies to the GOVERNMENT. the rights outlined in the constitution and bill of rights are PROTECTED by the constitution, not granted by it.
I hear and agree with you….but ….the bill of rights does say “American citizens” it says The People…..I’m floored either way
So non-citizens don't have the right to free speech? They can be jailed for what they say?
@@ChristopherLee-e1g who “the people” are is blatantly described in the declaration of independence and in the constitution. The body politic of the nation Americans. No one else.
Yes, enemy combatants who are with the jurisdiction of the US are entitled to full protections guaranteed under the Constitition. That is why we rendition people outside the territorial US.
I agree with 99.9% of what you are saying John. The thing I do not agree with is, my ancestors were immigrants, I am not! My children are not. Having been born, raised, and lived in this country I am an American, nothing else. This is my country of origin. Every thing else is spot on! and thanks for what you do.
Heck no they shouldn't... wth is going on in this country
Well you are the one letting it happen.
Very well said!
He fired 7 rds at a moving car in Illinois and did not have an Illinois (FOID) firearms identification card. Did not get charged with anything by Illinois.
Come legally then you can have a gun to protect yourself. Not to murder anyone outright.
The constitution recognizes rights not grants them, they apply to everyone
Do you think if the immigrants came here legally they would magically not vote democrat?
@@kalash_5.45including the right to vote?
@aglom69 there is no right to vote. Plus, voting for your oppressor is an antiquated system that should be abolished.
Your vote is meaningless, especially at the federal level. You should do everything in your power to nullify the state.
said it before, and ill say it til im dead. eventually talking isn't the answer.
We The People
The right to self defense is a right all people have. Sure. The right to keep firearms for defense of American freedom is an American concept. People say "trojan horse" and thats exactly what the Fed HOPES you call it. Defend whats YOURS
Hard to claim self defense when you broke in.
A civil rights lawyer said that even illegal immigrants,anyone that is in America is afforded the same human rights as an American. If the 2A is a human right then ya
We love you back brother
That's why we have a way to become a citizen. Get in line.
I have many friends working on their citizenship. It takes years and these criminals are kipping the line entirely... and getting away with it
*_On one hand, the Forefathers of this country_* recognized that our 2A rights are inherent "god-given" rights of all people, as it is everyone's right to defend themselves... NOT just this country's citizens. On the other hand, if they are here illegally, they can be construed as criminals, and therefore subject to being disarmed.
As made clear in the ruling, convicted criminals can be barred from owning a firearm. Flores has never been convicted of a crime.
@@alexanderhalavais8837 Yet is not being here "illegally", recognized as a crime in and of itself?
@MonkeyMind69 It is, in most cases, a civil violation. Like speeding is. Repeated offenses, at least since 2021, can now be tried as misdemeanors. If Flores had been detained, charged and convicted of a crime before being found in possession of a firearm, this would be moot. He was not, and you cannot prohibit possession for merely being *accused* of committing a crime.
Am I misunderstanding this or is John’s argument, “We aren’t denying natural rights, but you have no rights in the United States unless you are under its constitution.”?
Your God given rights can be exercised in your country of origin. 2A is for AMERICAN CITIZENS, only. Should we give our enemies the bill of rights in war? Get real. They are here illegally, they don't have rights. Their illegal status does not Trump America's right to self defense.
How about we decide whether you are allowed to be here first. Since the rights you are granted by your presence here. as our constitution only protects you in America. Even though these rights are inherent to being human. Other governments don't care about that
His argument is, correctly, that it IS a God-given right. And that the US Govt protects those God-given rights FOR ITS CITIZENS. Not for all the people's of the world.
Is the United States there to protect rights or to take away rights? Because what I understand from what you and he are saying is that the job of the government is to take away rights.
@@Pohnji Then you have an odd and probably purposeful misunderstanding.
Protecting yourself is a god given right. I don't support illegals but I do support protecting yourself.
So you have to be a citizen for God given rights to apply? That doesn’t track.
So does this mean that criminals who served their sentence or confinement get their 2A rights back? Or is one crime less than another?
There is a legal process to get your rights back.
@@1jhinojosa1not for violent criminals and if you have to petition your rights back it’s not a right
@@Mall_CopThe logic from my understanding is that you lose your Citizen rights through criminal convictions through due process. So you need to go through the process of reinstating your rights after serving your time. Just like how you lost it through due process.
@@1jhinojosa1 I hear you brother, however the 2A is about the protection and preservation of life and liberty. The government should not be able to take that away. The government can still serve justice and more severe punishments for severe crimes without taking their 2A. It’s been that way before the implementation of gun laws and it worked.
@@Mall_Cop I can agree with this. I do lean more toward your rights are auto restored as soon as you have served your time.
Man, I have been catching heat lately for this exact same stance. People want to argue “God-given” without regard to the whole “legal citizen” part. It’s unbelievable.
Hell no
Constitution does apply to non citizens
@@moeliuswhy? Do they also have property rights?
@Waltuh22232 why? Idk and it doesn't make sense to me but, have a read
constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8-7-2/ALDE_00001262/
@user-qzfr344f72 you're more generous than I'll ever wanna be to criminal aliens
@@moelius Where on earth did you get this legal conclusion? No your honor, we don't need a warrant and we don't need probable cause to raid peoples homes. cause they are ILLEGAL. You are going to lose that argument because you are wrong.
Bravo sir! I applaud your video! For the people by the people!
Please run for office !
We the People, not We the People and our Millions of Illegal Aliens.
John: "our rights are God-given, the governemnt can't take them away"
Also John: "they only apply if you're a citizen"
Total misrepresentation of his stance. The govt is only bound to protect those rights FOR ITS CITIZENS. Otherwise we'd have to invade every country world-wide that doesn't allow such rights.
It's always been more complicated. It obvious that American laws apply to illegal aliens. They are illegal, yes, but they can't legally murder or be murdered. The laws of the land apply within this boarders of the land regardless of citizenship.
@@curteaton By this logic, if there is NO distinction, illegals have the right to vote then???
@@007Chancellor You tell me. Does American law say illegal aliens can vote? Who does it say is eligible to vote? If it doesn't say then they can't vote, because the laws apply to them.
@@curteaton The constitution doesn't actually say who you can grant the right to vote to. It does explicitly say you cannot deny the right to vote to US citizens. It says nothing about citizenship in 2A (or, for that matter, most of the amendments restricting governmental overreach).
💯 #ChristisKing
So someone already breaking the law entering America “ILLEGALLY” can legally have a gun???? Wtf is going on with these American judges????
How would an illegal immigrant even be able to provide proper forms of identification or pass a back ground check to purchase a gun
It’s hard to argue that the right to defend is a god given right but should only apply to US Citizens which is a status given by the Government. The argument doesn’t hold water.
Because its not god given, its endowed by their creator.
You've hit the nail on the head. If we limit 2A rights to citizens, does that also mean we should limit their rights to speech/religion, protections on search & seizure, self incrimination & due process, speedy trials, jury trials, cruel and unusual punishment, and slavery?
Either we believe these rights are natural human rights that apply to _all_ The People here in our country, or we invite the *government* to decide some classes of The People are not permitted those rights. Government _always_ expands its reach, so it will quickly decide that _only_ one class of The People are guaranteed the ability to exercise their rights: the ruling class.
@@YouveBeenMiddled then the question in the opposite direction, where do rights end? What rights do citizens have that others dont? Whats the point of citizenship if everyone everywhere all the time gets what citizens get?
Well for one, it assumes I believe in God.
But religion aside, if the constitution _protects_ citizens from the government, then it doesn't _protect_ people who _aren't citizens_ which means, sure they can own them, but there's nothing protecting them from us making a law that says "nope, non-u.s. citizens can't have them", which would not be an infringement.
@@YouveBeenMiddled _"You've hit the nail on the head. If we limit 2A rights to citizens, does that also mean we should limit their rights to speech/religion, protections on search & seizure, self incrimination & due process, speedy trials, jury trials, cruel and unusual punishment, and slavery?"_
Yes, because we do not know who they are, what they want, or where their allegiance lies.
_The people_ did not mean _of the world_ , the constitution is not a global doctrine, as evidenced by other countries doctrines and citizenships.
And since the government works _for_ the people, they are (in theory) at the mercy of what we demand from them and "their" decisions.
Is an illegal alien not a criminal at large, a fact that would exclude him or her from legally carrying a firearm?
Exactly. The legal 'doctrine of clean hands' comes to mind. An illegal drug dealer cannot call 911 and have cops pursue someone who has robbed them of their wares or file a law suit against them for example.
Only a felony excludes you from owning a firearm. Illegal status is not a felony.
And as to the other guy's example. If you are a drug dealer and get robbed, even if what they took was illegal drugs, you can most certainly call the police and have them arrested. That would of course get you in trouble as well. Being a criminal doesn't exclude you from having legal recourse to crimes committed against you.
@@owlobsidian6965uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1324&num=0&edition=prelim#:~:text=any%20alien%2C%20including%20an%20alien,upon%20conviction%20thereof%20shall%20be
@@owlobsidian6965It is an felony to illegally enter the US.
The 2nd amendment doesnt apply to illegal immigrants, though it is not a way to give rights to Americans either. It is intended as a governmental restriction and limits their power. They shouldnt be able to tell anyone what they can and can not own, period. Including US citizens.
Amen 🙏 Brother
Amen Brother
So let me get this right,.. I can pay hella taxes,but as a legal law abiding citizen,my rights are being slowly stripped away. Yet an immigrant,who has paid zero taxes,have committed several crimes with no background check,no immunization records can come here and get all rights including own a firearm. Someone please make sense of this.
If they are convicted of crimes in the US they may not possess a firearm.
Otherwise, they have the same rights you do.
I personally do not believe green card holders should be able to own guns either…
Of course not, they are not citizens.
So your pro gun laws...
@@joshuacisneros3675 I am… but green card holders are allowed to purchase firearms
Why? Do they not have the right to protect themselves and their loved ones?
@@JPFB-yp6pw they do… just not with a firearm. Become a citizen, forfeit your former passport (or be dual), now it’s a different story. I know you heard John’s words, but did you listen? It’s not just firearms that MOST Americans feel this way about. Voting is another huge one as well. I know ppl with working visas that vote. I know green card holders that maintain strong ties to their home country, so much so they spend more time there than they do here (violation). It’s a permanent RESIDENT card, that’s all you should get. You want a toy with your happy meal? Become a citizen.
John, your reasoning doesn't hold up to the negative test.
If you claim that our constitution only protects citizens, why do non-citizens enjoy protections of all other rights? (life, unreasonable search, attorney, trial, etc...)
If a non-citizen has a legal protection against being harmed while here, even illegally, why does that same person not enjoy legal protection to defend their life from harm with arms?
A God-given right, arbitrarily restricted by man, is a man-given right... and those can be taken away with a pen stroke.
If a human enjoys the right to life, by extension, they must also enjoy the right to defense as they see fit. This is not a citizen issue. It's a human rights issue. If we cede ground in saying who can and who cannot exercise human rights, when they have shown no reason why that particular right should be restricted, we establish the foundation for future abuses of rights, even for citizens. We're drawing up ever more arbitrary requirements for who gets rights, and who doesn't. And we know where that leads...
They don't have those rights. Where did you hear that? Non citizens have no rights, they only have what freedoms we grace them with, which we are free to rescind at any time.
@@huwhitecavebeast1972 Bold claim. Are you saying that they can be dropped in the street from a gunshot, and no legal action taken against the aggressor? If no right was violated, no injury suffered, thus no law broken.
Is that your position?
The right to life is not a privilege man gets to bestow upon man.
They do have those rights. Every court in the land recognizes them. It's why officers read their "Miranda rights" to them, even when illegal. Their 5th amendment right against self-incrimination still applies during the arrest.
This isn't a human issue. It's a legal issue. The American bill of rights only applies to those subject to American jurisdiction, not people on American soil. Think about an American ambassador or soldier over seas. They don't lose their American rights just because they're on different soil.
@@christopherliotta5008 You know for a fact that illegal aliens enjoy all due process rights. They also enjoy the natural right to life. This is not up for debate.
Yet, for some reason, when the right to defend their life comes up, suddenly that's somehow only applicable to Americans on American soil.
If we accept that the right to life, and to defend one's life, are God-given, there is no jurisdiction that can claim to have authority to arbitrarily restrict them.
There is no such thing as "American rights". There are natural rights, and there are legal(civil) rights. All free humans should enjoy all natural rights. Legal(civil) rights are designated only for those who are within the citizenry of the country that created the right by law. The right to keep and bear arms (defend one's life with arms) predates the constitution. The founders agreed that they were recognizing pre-existing rights, and establishing protections for them, but that other rights still existed which were not explicitly mentioned.
A person does not lose their natural rights unless they show, by action, that they cannot be trusted with that particular right. This is why there was a recent court ruling stating that a person convicted of illegal drug possession and use should NOT lose their 2nd amendment protected right. They did no show, by action, to be a violent threat to the rights of others. The same is true in this case. It is consistent.
We either believe in and protect all God-given natural rights, or we play god and decide which special category gets them. The former is the only path of liberty. The latter is a direct road to tyranny.
@@christopherliotta5008 Now are you suggesting that undocumented aliens are not subject to American law? That would be a fine pickle.
As a matter of law, you are incorrect. The Supreme Court has, for some time, made clear that the basic rights enumerated in the constitution apply to "the people," and that includes non-citizens. See:
Yamatay v. Fisher (1912)
Bridges v. Wixon (1945)
Knauff v. Shaughnessy (1950)
Johnson v. Eisentrager (1950)
Kwon Hai Chew v. Colding (1953)
Shaughnessee v US (1953)
Plyler v. Doe (1982)
Landen v. Plasencia (1982)
US v. Verdugo-Urquidez (1990)
Rasul v. Bush (2004)
Specifically, In Matthews v. Diaz (1976): rights apply to "all ‘persons’ within the United States, including aliens, whether their presence here is lawful, unlawful, temporary, or permanent."
Now, they have on multiple occasions noted that such rights are not absolute, and can be weighed against state interest, and that you can, for example, curtail non-citizens 1A rights (e.g., in the case of the PATRIOT Act). Now, if you are looking to diminish the power of the 2A, that would be a great way to get started. You would be wrong to think it would end there.
Thank you for clarifying that you’re unbelievable🇺🇸
Can't buy a gun legally as a non citizen. So, are they saying owning illegal guns is legal?