Are Video Games BAD for You??? Botkin & Lovell Debate 🦾
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John Lovell goes head to head with lifelong gamer Lucas Botkin of T.Rex Arms to discuss the pros and cons of the most powerful entertainment industry ever.
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Well, when my Marine Son was in Iraq, we played World of Warcraft online. I would not trade that time with my son for anything.
That’s really cool.
That is really cool, My Son's first Duty Station was in Africa we have spent more time playing and talking to each other than the year before he left. He is also a Marine. GO ARMY BEAT NAVY!!! I was Army, kind of bummed he wanted to eat crayons. HA-HA
I spend time with my sons in person instead of relying on online video games, because they didn’t sell their souls to the government and go overseas for immoral reasons.
@@f308gtb1977 glad your soy boys aren't putting their lives at risk. I'm also glad that there are people willing to do that for the sake of your soy boys, because someone has to.
John said that he also plays video games with his son. I don’t think he is trying to demonize that. It seems like he’s saying that when you have alternatives, the alternatives are most of the time better. And he is more specifically always playing video games and slacking on responsibilities because of it
When my kids play video games together, they sit on the edge of their seats, they strategize communicate and laugh together. When they watch a show or movie, they just lie there with their brains turned off.
I think entertainment needs time limits, but it seems that games can be much more productive than movies or youtube.
I agree with you, video games can be very engaging and immersive. The dangers with video games is when they intentionally design games to be addictive. I used to work at one of the studios that makes the Call of Duty games, and they had this guy who had a PHD is economy, and his job was literally to design the microtransaction to be addicting so people keep spending money. Also if people consistently play games for escapism from their problems, that's also a huge issue.
ruclips.net/video/qjz_07-DvE0/видео.htmlsi=DxTqrFWbxzJDyVSC.
Agreed
@@RealCoachMustafathen it is up to parents to moderate that, it is not up to society to determine what other adults do with their free time.
@@brkbtjunkie Then why does society tell its members that they can't use unlimited opioids, other drugs, gambling, alcohol, or other addictive substances and practices? Why do video games micro transactions get a special cut out in the legal code to exempt them? This is why Libertarians are the problem not the solution. You celebrate the evil and argue against the good.
I used to be addicted to drugs and alcohol. I decided to go cold turkey in 2012 and I used video games to help with withdrawals and to keep my attention. A year later I moved on and sold my games and console.
In 2020, I got diagnosed with a disorder and spiralled into depression. I attempted to "opt-out" and woke up in the hospital. I needed something to ground me so I bought a new console and a few games. Also, I was bedridden for my safety.
I played an awesome open-world RPG that was mainly character driven and had a very captivating story. I got to the ending of this game where the main character decides to "opt-out" just as I decided to do just a few weeks prior. The credits rolled and it was all of the NPCs talking to you about your decision. This resonated with me to say the least.
I decided right there and then to focus on God, my wife, and the close relationships I had left. I also decided that I would never try to opt-out ever again.
Video games can be beautiful if you know where to look. Some of the writing, characters, and world building can be meaningful in ways that translate into the real world and into your daily life. But of course, it depends on the game.
Moderation of meaningful content (in general) is the key.
Thank you for your wisdom.
Yeah, I have a series of games that I say changed my life for the better and still are (They are part of what lead me to take the leap in finding a spouse, I am currently engaged thanks to that) You can find meaningful stories in any medium but Video Games are both valid and have unique storytelling methods.
What was the game?
@@looopamith9456 Cyberpunk 2077. Changed my outlook on a lot of things. I did a pacifist playthrough, btw.
Brought a tear to my eye man. 😥🤧 thanks for sharing brother.
I played a lot of Crash Bandicoot when I was a kid. It translates extremely well as an adult when I have to jump on boxes to collect fruit and fling turtles across the backyard.
Small disagreement with Lucas here. I don't think watching a movie and playing a game is the same. With video games, you're actively engaged physically and mentally. With movies, you're really only engaged mentally, so video games require much more intent than just watching a movie.
Exactly. I actually think movies and TV are far more braindead than video games are. I really don't like movies/TV anymore because I don't feel like I'm actually doing anything.
@@jrconway3 Yeah, I agree entirely. Also...a lot of games are true works of art, and aren't trying to push narratives and agendas, they're trying to tell stories, and represent certain periods in history, ways of life, etc...much more enjoyable in my opinion.
He made that point, he said the game is usually better than just absorbing a movie as far as gaining something positive out of the experience
That’s not a disagreement, he said the same thing later in the interview.
I typed the comment as I was watching so I hadn't yet seen him say the same thing so, lol
Great debate. I had to chuckle about the irony of Lovell’s point people are “hopelessly addicted to their screens” while dropping a 1hr video for people to watch on RUclips. 😂
Where's the irony? It's a podcast for you to listen to. It's one hour long, then it's over, and contains quite a few good points on both perspectives. Can't say I've ever heard of anyone helplessly addicted to contrucive podcasts
@@purplepigfarm5391 my friend, RUclips is not a podcast. This is a video. You watch videos. I really shouldn’t have to explain the difference to you since you’re commenting on a VIDEO, not a podcast. 🤦🏻♂️
@@g1mpsterI used to work as a janitor, and a lot of time I'll throw on a T. rex Ames VIDEO to LISTEN TO while I worked. Listen to someone narrate over their gameplay.
Just because it's a VIDEO doesn't mean you can't listen to it while you do house work or project work.
@@tactikiller That doesn't disprove the point. The fact is, this IS a video, rgardless of how YOU choose to absorb it, personally. Just because you can listen to it, does not invalidate the argument. If that were the case, then the content of the entire video ... VIDEO ... would be different, because you could make the argument that movies and TV can be "listened to."
RUclips is audio only for me while I work in my garden or do other tasks. Sitting and watching an hour long video where the video adds nothing to the value, such as this video, would not be possible for me. I have too much to do.
I want more of Lucas and John doing this kind of stuff.
No cap, these are the discussions we want
I also agree 👍
Short answer, no. Long answer, nnnnooooooooo.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7366941/
Nah, they are a brain rotting waste of time. If video games and TV didn't exist we would live in a significantly better world.
I'm turning 46 in 2024. I still play games. I served over 20 years in the military, I've been a cop, I've flown suav's for the army, & games, LIKE ALL THINGS, have a good & bad. BUT, that's the PERSONS problem, not the games fault.
Can we talk about parental accountability?
My mother decided to put me in front of a PlayStation instead of being a parent and to be honest I consider it one of the best decisions she'd ever made. We're going to talk about parental accountability let's start with the fact that some people that have children shouldn't have children. They use them as accessories.
@@pro_154 Dude that sucks. I’m sorry that you grew up in that kind of environment. That being said, I’d still probably argue that cases like yours are the exception and not the rule.
@AbrasivePatriot I wish they’d tackled this. While I don’t think video games (even violent ones) lead to increases in violent behavior among well-adjusted people, that doesn’t mean buying GTA or other M-rated games for your 10-year-old is responsible parenting behavior. Exposing really young kids to that kind of stuff is playing with fire.
@@pro_154were you naked and malnourished?
John talking about video games how people used to talk about comic books, films, every source of media over the years. I enjoy WPS but these arguments were really bad.
People saying TV would be terrible for people and ruin reading and rot the brain when it was first invented lol
@@nobleguy2019And it did. Most Americans have not read a book in the last year.
Honestly speaking, I find reading just as addictive as gaming; sometimes even more so. I have a very creative mindset, so when I get into a book or series, l need to finish it. I have spent entire weekends devouring books just so I can finish the story. Like Lucas mentioned, people have different triggers for addiction. I enjoy video games, but it doesn't become an obsession for me.
Glad someone brought this up. I remember as a kid in highschool school reading until my dad got up for work and realizing I had been up all night multiple times. Not all books are created equal, and not all time spent reading is beneficial.
I also remember doing the same with video games.
interesting
@@bendunfee4917same here man, if I find a good book I will read it until I’m done with or fall asleep lol
No. If they are, then any form of entertainment with violence or morally questionable topics is bad for you. There is no objective evidence that games are any worse for you than any other form of entertainment that humanity has participated in for centuries at this point. If a video game is going to steer someone down the wrong path, they were going to go down the incorrect path anyway. Why is this still a debate?
Because it’s such a large part of today’s culture. You literally have people missing out on life so they can lock themselves away from the big scary world. You have children who have no idea how to socialize hell they don’t even know if they are a boy or girl anymore. No I don’t think a video game is going to make you go out and break laws, but it is a gateway miss out on what’s important so yes it is a problem for some.
@@tiudesvx5400 that could be due to the internet and having phones at 12... so why the debate on video games specifically? I think it's because most of the ones they mean in the debate have those scary black rifles
@@tiudesvx5400 These children have no idea how to socialize because all of their "socialization" is handled on social media. All of these kids who have these issues are not gamers. In regards to being mislead on the differences in the sexes, they are getting indoctrinated in other media, at school, and by large swaths of society as a whole. These aren't problems related to games and gaming, that is just tangential and just another thing that is being infected by activists.
I don't think it's a debate on whether the violence in video games is bad for you.
I think it's more of a debate on the addictive tendencies of video games and how people substitute an alternate reality for actual reality.
@@edmxero2029your right the internet and smart phones changed the world and our culture. video games are also a huge part of today’s culture, there is nothing wrong about having conversations.
But we get overprotective of things we love and just demand that everyone see things the way we think they should.
Look I’m 36 and been playing video games for a long time, yes they are good way of relax and take a break from the world, but I also know when enough is enough. A lot of people don’t anymore.
Video games are interactive. Movies are passively viewed.
OODA. OODA, OO...
Movies are 2 hours long. I know few people who watch more than one or two a week. I also know very few video game players who play less than 2 hours a day, and the ones who do are in their 40s and 50s.
@@DoubleplusUngoodthinkful Temporal length of exposure in one factor.
Degree of interactivity is another.
There are many more: emotional impact, social interaction, difficulty, presence...
@@JimTempleman i'm not saying that's not true, but every minute you spend playing video games is a minute that could be spent doing something productive, and at a certain point, that in and of itself is harmful .
@@DoubleplusUngoodthinkful I fully agree. I originally meant to imply that the more interactive it is, the stronger the impact. And since 'nobody' designs video games to make a positive impact, it is at best a missed opportunity for doing something worthwhile.
@@JimTempleman :)
John, I doubt you'll see this, but I want to provide my perspective on the concept of desensitization from video games.
I am 36, currently a police officer (sergeant in rank) of 10.5 years. I have played video games since I was very very young, including games like the original Doom. I play A LOT of genres, but FPS and RTS games are my jam and always has been.
I've never felt the urge to harm or kill others out of spite.
In December of 2016 I was involved in an officer involved shooting which, honestly, fucked me up. 100% justified, but low levels of PTSD, for sure. Mostly from lack of support from family and friends due to distance.
What HAS desensitized me has been seeing death, REAL DEATH, on a consistent basis in my job. Seeing real violence daily, and real victims daily. THAT is what finally shut off parts of my empathy for certain events.
Thousands of hours of video games never got me to violence or a lack of respect for life.
On the other hand, video games have transformed my ability to have and hold conversations with people. Being a cop finished that transformation.
I think there's a point to be made that video game characters aren't real and don't feel real. I think that's where the difference lies between why porn will change a person's mental state, especially when it comes to sexual preference, because you generally are watching real people doing real things (It's staged, but still real).
I think John's first fault here is the idea that he is bashing what people do for leisure activities in the first place. Not everyone can be or wants to be doing something considered "productive" 24/7.
As for the factor on it making us less empathetic, I just hard disagree. Some of the worst people in the world who have no sympathy or empathy are workaholics who don't play games. I'd like to know what video games George Bush or Joe Biden played that pushes them down the path of sacrificing millions of lives around the world.
I get that it's not a very serious discussion, but if his kids ever decide to get into video games on their own and have the chance to play stuff they couldn't before, they might get just as addicted as anyone.
Not any more so than watching tv series, sports, movies, listening to music, etc. Anything can become an unhealthy obsession if you allow it to take your life over.
lol like boomer john gives a shit.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7366941/
I get the sense that John just personally isn't interested in video games - and I think he's got some good reasons behind them and he articulated why really nicely - but then he's applying that person preference as a universal principle for everyone.
Lucas made a really good point about PC gaming. You end up learning so much about computers. Troubleshooting software issues bugs and compatibility. You might have a game where AMD CPUs don't play well with a certain games anti-aliasing and it immediately crashes to desktop so you have to go into the config file and find the line for anti-aliasing and disable it. You do end up having to read a lot technical stuff. You also like me might learn how to physically maintain, modify and build a computer. When I was 14 I built my first gaming computer because I realized my moms PC was not powerful enough to play Half-Life. If you get into modding you learn about actual games development like coding, map and 3d model design, animation, texturing which is all an art. Like sculpting a world and people in it then painting it and finally coding and animating to bring it to life. Anyway PC is so much more involved and you can develop so many transferable skills. That lead into A/V stuff for you RUclips content creators or drones and 3d printers as useful tools.
In the 90’s I’d agree but all you do nowadays is google an optimization guide and you copy it
Met one of my best friends playing destiny. We meet up several times a year, talk every day, go to shooting courses together. I was a groomsmen in his wedding. It is rare to find such a close friend in a videogame, but it is very possible. To be honest I play the game more to talk with him than I do just to play the game
Lemme get a carry in last salvation raid!
Much better hobby than the social media on our phones.
that might be true
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7366941/
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Check out some of the studies that support your wonderful arguments in this segment. These are must sees for men of faith:
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Truth. My kids will grow up with video games LONG before I’d expose them with the toxic nonsense of social media.
Yes. If only social media was just a hobby…
Being in my early 30s and having played video games since the age of 6.. and now trying to 180 my life, I'll share some pros and cons from my personal experience:
+ Video games drastically expanded my imagination and visual library, which I currently use for my creative job (concept art/design).
- Gaming can be an easy escape if life gets a little tough, which caused me to fumble high school and college.
+ Gaming helped develop my problem solving skills, as every game is it's own puzzle and will challenge you mentally.
- Gaming can easily lead to stunted social growth, and a lack of interest in human relationships, familal or otherwise.
+ Believe it or not, some story driven games have quite a serious amount of philosophy woven into them.
- Overdoing (mostly competitive games) can lead to people becoming very irate and restless, which also impacts those close to them.
Just from the top of my head, probably many more points to be made.
The last point, I can absolutely attest to. I played Counter-Strike almost religiously from 2013 to 2017 or so. It's a highly competitive game and is extremely stressful and because of this, many people that play turn to using cheats and it makes it that much more infuriating when you are playing fair and constantly fighting against cheaters. The game became so stressful to me that I eventually just laid it down and never looked back. While I love Counter-Strike, I will never play it like I once did. I was rated distinguished master guardian before I quit. I kept playing with my friend in Sweden from the U.S. and enjoyed hanging out with him but we both ended up getting married and having kids and had to move on. I remember those times fondly, though. I played little league baseball from 10 years old to 12 years old and the feeling is about the same. Although I wasn't on a field with my friends, I was competing as a team with them, having lots of laughs, a lot of frustration. It was a great, relatively stress-free time in my life and I really and truly do miss it but will never play the game again. It was so stressful by the end that I kept looking at myself getting mad at all of the cheaters and thinking "Do I really enjoy this anymore?" and sat it down and never played it again. I still love the game itself, but it was more stressful than any other game I've ever played.
I have definitely sacrificed my responsibilities in order to read a book just as carelessly as I have for a video game. "Just one more chapter" and then its 2 hours later. I feel shame when I avoid my responsibilities to read a book the same as I do for video games but in the eyes of society I am only judged negatively for the video game and almost applauded for reading the book.
Awesome to see a fellow concept artist in this chat! When I read "visual library" I already knew.
Just like alcohol it’s all about moderation 👌🏼
Exactly. And just like with alcohol, there are some people who can easily moderate their intake and others that seriously struggle with it.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7366941/
Video games don't make you crash you car after a 3 hour binge
@@bombomos whoosh
To capture the addictive nature of video games, I think a better analogy is cigarettes. Cigarettes, like video games, are incredibly addictive by design. And while some people can smoke cigarettes without developing an addiction, this is the exception.
Generational gap was most exposed when John said that Lucas was an exception and that most people couldn’t use their anxiety as an asset instead of a drawback.
I agree.
Console controllers do translate into drone operation.
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@@pro_154 not really a gamer much lately. Working on 2 gun prototypes.I still like the “thrill of the fight” in VR but I have a boxing gym outside and it’s warm now in Oregon.
100% true. My pc & console gaming helped me drone using when I was active.
Also imploding subs near the titanic!
My 5y/o advanced quickly in learning to fly FPV via simulators & is now able to fly actual drone jobs with me.
That was actually a phenomenal point about bonding over the game. One of the difference's between men and women is that woman prefer to face each other when they talk abd the conversation is the focus.
Men aren't really like that, we talk more side by side. Most mens group's will involve some sort of activity everyone can focus on, and men talk to each other while side by side, doing the thing. Whether it's woodworking, fixing a car, or playing a video game.
Are there more productive things you could be doing? Sure, but there's more to life than maximizing productivity 24/7. The only shareholder in your life is you, don't waste it slaving away. Nobody is on their deathbed wishing they spent more time with there corporate overlords.
I've seen cops deliberately put their foot in the door way preventing the home owner from closing the door.
If their foot was blasted by a Shot-G, they would stop that.
A very elegant way to argue for video games while arguing against certain authoritarian methods. Ngl, made me shiver
When he said him and his wife can't watch a show together without being on their phones is depressing as hell lol
I can see his position because I play cards on my phone while watching TV .
I almost have the same issue as him, I can’t stay focused on shows or movies typically because I just don’t care. It feels too unproductive and a waste of time so I end up fidgeting with other things
The army previously used circle bullseye in training soldiers. During war soldiers hesitated to shoot human figures. The army switched to human shaped training targets and in the next war the reported trigger shyness went way down. Violent video games absolutely desensitizes the users to violence. It’s undeniable
10-20 hours a week on video games? Those are rookie numbers!
Frfr and I work 12 a day (my job allows for gaming at work
That's the biggest disgusting waste of time. And we wonder why no one is getting married and having kids, and even if they do, the breed useless incels
Those are married with spousal responsibilities numbers. With kids those rookie numbers drop to 0-5 hours. haha
Real men don't play video games.
@@TwentyTwoThirtyThree "real men" lol
The hilarious part of this conversation is the recognizing of social media being worse for us when that is how you reach us and how someone like me entered into owning and learning about firearms in the first place. Social media is destroying our minds most likely, it also is how we have learned about the lies from the media, it has allowed us to learn about food, preparedness, firearms, etc. Life is moderation, the hardest part is that we are horribly addictive creatures. At the same time I would not trade away social media and go back to believing the news, thinking life is just fine, and not preparing for worse times (part of which is watching and learning this channel).
As a Dad I do feel this though, I have made video games a Saturday evening event for my boys only. It is for Saturday evening as a family event if they have been good boys throughout the week.
Depends on the situation. If someone is addicted and it overtakes their life then yes it is obviously bad for you.
For most people it’s a hobby that they have fun with
I’m 42, I got the Nintendo Entertainment System in 1989 and the rest is history. Throughout the years, video games have taught me:
1: how to communicate quickly and effectively with teammates
2: how to set a goal, work towards that and overcome setbacks and obstacles along the way.
3: how to manage money properly
4: how to approach problems with an open mind; and to think critically outside the box.
I use these life lessons in my daily life, and just as I level up in game, I level up in life. Videos games have been an objectively positive force in my own life. Just with anything else, people can use video games to escape their life, and just as people over eat, have spending addiction, drug addictions, sex addictions etc. people can become addicted to video games NOT because the game itself is addictive, but rather because they are predisposed to falling into that.
Gaming (TM) is now a bigger industry than Hollywood. The games aren’t going anywhere, so it is up to us to find a balance of work and play.
Ive put over 600 days into 1 game series over the last 10 years. That time made me over 100 friends and with some of them I started a business in gaming that now runs on autopilot for me. Im trying to start an FFL and my design engineer, accountant, welder, etc all met gaming. I was a community manager for a big name personality that has hosted international events. Met her gaming. I would be classified as an addict 100% by anyone looking in from the outside because I have a moderation problem in everything I do and Ive built my life around that. I stay away from alcohol because I know Id get addicted. When Im in workout mode I end up pulling something. When Im at my 9-5 Im skipping breaks and lunch and staying up till 2am doing training. When Im doing gun stuff same thing, Im working on 3d models or tinkering with parts till I pass out. It doesnt matter what Im doing Im living whatever that is until the goal is achieved. Once or twice a year me and my boys will take 3-5 days off to just game for 12+ hours a day.
That’s awesome bro, sounds like you’ve really networked through gaming and made an awesome life for yourself and those you’ve met 💪🏽👌🏽
Destiny?
@@raptordc5 yessir
@ShadySummerZ same! D1 beta for me. Currently finding time to finish my solo legend campaign.
I appreciate Lucas Botkin's perspective on the positive aspects of video games, such as fostering critical thinking and problem-solving skills.
It's very interesting to me that anything kids want to do is always dangerous and scary. There's always something, video games, tv, rap music, the internet (that's an AWOG quote), and instead of just saying "everything in moderation" we worry how its going to kill us. When it comes to video games, treat it as a privilege, not a right, and your kids will do just fine. 2 hours a day after all their chores and schoolwork is done, add time for rewards, deduct time for bad behavior (or remove access entirely when necessary), and watch reviews on the games your kids want to play. The leg work of watching the reviews, however, HAS to be done. I've known parents who deny their kids access to a game just because they felt like it/thought the game looked scary/wasn't in a good mood. As soon as the kid is old enough to understand this, they won't thank you for being over-protective.
As far as violent video games and boys are concerned, God put this drive in us for forceful protection, so its only natural that games that involve fighting in some way (this includes Minecraft) are going to be more appealing. If you are going to let your kid read their Bible (more than enough described violence in there), or read/watch LOTR/Chronicles of Narnia (as many Christian parents do) you can't then be shocked by your child's (sons) interest in war-like things. Games like Halo or Fortnite are EXTREMELY tame, the kid (as long as they are playing in moderation) will be just fine. They ought to have other hobbies (hence the time limit) but if you only let them play for a short time or not at all, they won't benefit from it and will be disadvantaged when talking with their friends (this is worth considering). Parents hate to admit this, but there is *SO* much time during the year when the only other thing you can do is read a book, and if you're like my family, your kiddo probably already read for hours that day. A few hours of video games won't hurt them at all.
So it’s funny you want to pick rap as one of your topics. We are constantly praising and promoting Rap while it does glorify a culture that is currently rotting everything from families to relationships. Most of it glorifies sleeping around, shooting people, drugs, etc etc.
John has magnificent posture.
He really does
Didn't really notice, but you're right.
As a masculine 60 year old man... I'm not sorry that I believe John is a very well rounded male role model for any young man!
I think he's standing
He's not spending his time hunched over a controller.
Lucas checking his emails between spawns is a red flag that he cannot be without stimulation for even 5 seconds (literally), not a positive sign of productivity. Truly productive people know how to rest and have clarity of thought.
I don’t watch tv. That hour or so I have down time I play with the ps5 instead of television.
Yes, video games are bad for you. Drinking is bad for you. Smoking is bad for you. But do whatever you enjoy in moderation. Life enjoyed is life worth living.
No.
Depends on the game and the audience of said game.
I appreciated this debate/conversation. It’s an important one to have in every family because these games are now part of everyone’s lives.
If they are, so are most movies
I agree some games and movies are bad.
Videos games have corrupted peoples minds....look how many people rage and throw controllers through televisions...there are thousands of compilations on you tube. Is that a healthy mindset? The human mind is easily corrupted!
Correct. Both are not good in that sense.
Most movies are bad for you.
The point John's making about getting together with some guys is a good one... except when you apply it in the context of every day situations.
That get together sounds awesome. What if you could do it multiple times a week? Pretty obvious that all 50 wouldn't be available on a random tuesday night, however when the kids are in bed and the wife goes to bed and you're still awake, would you rather watch the game alone, or do another get together with your friends?
That's what John's missing here. Gaming online allows you to do that. Of course it's bad if you're doing it at the expense of other, more important things, but saying "I can just do that in real life" is simply not true, unless you and your buddies are meeting multiple times a week?
I'd also say that's it's probably BETTER that you are home instead of gone at nights with your friends.
This is a dumb question to even ask. Don't be a boomer John.
Too late, Boomer stuck in a young man’s body
Why? Most people who listen to his podcast agree todays culture is resulting in the downfall of our society, be it less people are getting married, the divide between men and women, celebrating music about murder, drugs other acts. Video games are a big part of today’s culture. We have had games from shooting up an airport to sex games to games where you worship the devil.
Yes I know it’s all imaginary. But If this generation can’t even decide if they are a boy or a girl or if they should help someone who’s injured or take a selfie and worship certain media then yes it can and will lead to issues in the future.
Why? Video games are a multibillion dollar industry, and a huge part in today’s culture. Something that big should have a conversation, I mean between companies targeting kids with micro trans actions,(EA) or showing trans and gay agenda(Bungie) or the whole sweet baby gang inc nightmare. It needs to be talked about.
This generation has been brainwashed and gaming is just another way to get to them. (There was a stream a few years ago of AOC playing among us and you had thousands of kids watching saying that they will vote for her with they are older)( that’s terrifying)
Now do I say get rid of games? Absolutely not I love my games and will continue to support good games and companies that have good values. But it’s a conversation that we need to have or be lost in the culture war again.
@@tiudesvx5400 Gamers are a lot more based than the general population. When companies go woke in video games, we boycott and play indie games instead
Don’t be a dork that dramatizes the smallest thing
Really love you two guys together on the show.
It’s like a father and son, except the son is really successful and the father is also really successful, and their two generations are arguing about how to do it right.
Lol... " last night I was with 50 dudes..." long pause.. 😂😂
Absolutely love how real this discussion was!! Not enough of this out there!!
I’m not anti-video games but they aren’t for me for a couple of reasons.
When I was in my early to mid-teen years I played this silly little online open-world game with friends and family. It was great and I was somewhat obsessed with it. Then Disney chose to shut it down and with a click of a server my whole little world and the characters and “achievements” I’d made were gone, erased, never to be seen again. I learned the hard way that games, especially video games can literally waste precious time and amount to nothing.
Secondly, when I first got married my brother-in-law introduced me to another silly little online game. I really enjoyed it but after a couple of sessions I realized how much time I’d lost and how many things my wife needed help with that I was unavailable for. I chose then and there to set aside video games as fun and addictive as they are to ensure that my focus and attention was on things that are real, sustainable, and have lasting impact.
I mean.. technically everything is "temporary" and just like life it can all be gone in the blink of an eye. Not to mention as far as the long term goes you will be forgotten and so will all your "real life" achievements and memories.
@@markcoleman7246 Yes…of course everything in this life is fleeting. But there are plenty of meaningful things I can do with my life that have greater meaning and a lasting impact in this life and the next rather than play games.
Having a dad is probably most important. The video games effect is likely a drop in the bucket comparatively. Have bank robberies gone up with the advent of the payday franchise?
67yo veteran. COD addict, have a squad of avg 42yo men. Not a gamer ever until... now I can see how the others think, act, move adapt and endure loss/wins. The PROS outweigh the cons for mentally developed men. I have spent 30 years on tech. Knowing how others learn is a huge step towards shortening their learning curve, teaching optimizations and TEAM PLAY. As for the 2A, COD teaches you that if you are unarmed you are gonna die waiting for help to arrive. I still read fiction 2 books a week and can ruck quick/quiet not fast/silent. Fitness is important. Mental health is a result of a weak society and easy access to medical and parents looking for others to raise their kids. Done. God Bless.
I'm just going to say the generation that was filled wasn't responsible for raising itself so we know where the failure came at. The weak society as a result of a generation that collectively shirked their duties, not all of them but a lot of them and some of the most important ones and we can see that in the way that a lot of the current generations carry themselves especially in relation to the current context and how people use video games to avoid responsibility.
Want another COD teammate?
Play Arma it’s so much better
I learned most of my English playing video games.
And I have recently discovered (to my sheer joy) that livestreaming RTS games with an active chat counts as indirectly practicing for my work.
About violent video games, I think they are a revolutionary way to "practice violence" without hurting anything but "pixels". I personally don't like to do it, I'm too empathetic. Going active shooter in GTA makes me sad for the pixels.
Nope, I'm 30, was born in 93, I grew up sitting on my father's lap playing quack and doom and many other gory shooting games. I wasn't stuck on the computer, though. My father had firearms and taught me firearm safety at a very young age 6/7. Never once in my life have I thought about doing bad things to people. I'm an honest man and would give my shirt off my back if anyone needed it.
I go a different direction than you are thinking. Spoiler alert: they are good for you in some ways and incredibly harmful in others (but again, not in the way you're thinking)
@@WarriorPoetSociety Lucas killed me right off the bat with his "boomers with pinball machines" comment.😂
Born around he same time and my first fps was doom 64.
I find the modern civilian aggressive and malicious especially when they don't play games and use sm.
Some video games are fine, I play video games time to time but most video games are demonic. For example in Skyrim you literally can summon demons.
1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 KJV
[21] Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. [22] Abstain from all appearance of evil.
So as a Christian I avoid any video games that involves magic or playing as an evil character.
This is what happens when you comment before watching the video.
Thx John, I too have no time for gaming anymore. Used to play 20hrs+ a week when I was early 20... Now I'm 36, been on the mission field for 14 years... Had great time playing with my brothers and friends but ethically we could never break our code. No killing of innocent people, cops ect. Had to do it once in black ops something but that was hard. There is definitely dulling the senses with every act as you choose to click / pull the trigger.
Great respect for running from danger, that is the only way to conquer temptation. Well done.
Lucas, good for you but guard your footing on the slippery slope, what we practice is what we do ultimately.
I respect both of these fantastic strong willed men. However I think video games can be a phenomenal tool and a terrible weapon. I have learned more things about the world than I would have the ability to otherwise. They can provide you with tragic moving scenes and scenarios and teach the impact of things that are glorified these days. As Lucas stated it can teach you geography and geopolitical relationships and the need to bargain and make peace instead of war. It can provide you with challenge and perseverance, there is an entire community or young men that have attributed the Dark Souls titles to saving their lives. They can breed camaraderie and cooperation as well as provide a challenge. However they can be a terrible weapon as well, as can any inanimate object. They can breed malice and hate and an obscured vision of the world. They can be all consuming just as any medium can, they can promote laziness and a weak will. I think Lucas says it well, it depends on the person and It very much depends on the game that you are playing as to the impact it can have on you and your well-being. John also makes very great points as well, there are far greater things that we could be doing with our time, I love reading and books written by great men or women give you a different perspective of the time in which they were written. Video games can provide the same narrative as well. Just as anything in life it is what you make of it. I think that we do need more person to person interaction, it provides you things that screen time communication cannot.
You haven't lived until you play DOOM via dialup modem with your coworker until 5:30 AM and had to be at work by 7:00.
I will say no. I will also say when the first kid comes, life doesn’t slow down any. I have three kids. If I’m playing video games I am going to be lacking in something important. I just can’t see myself finding the time. That being said, I try to get 7-8 hours of sleep a night. If someone is good off 5-6 they might have a little more free time.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7366941/
I used to be a pretty serious gamer. Now I’ve got 3 kids. I was still able to still play a couple hours per night when they were newborns/infants/toddlers and slept a ton. Now that they’re a little older (only my youngest is still a toddler), they don’t sleep as long or go to bed as early as they used to. Now, my time budget for gaming is basically nonexistent except for playing the Nintendo Switch alongside my oldest. My PS and Xbox both just gather dust.
I work 12:00 get 6 to 8:00 and will definitely sacrifice extra time to spend it on the one thing that gives me some form of peace (that isnt smoking or drinking)
I think there was a big missed opportunity to speak on teens that are bullied in school, and have a crappy home life, and can log onto a game for an hour in the evening and talk to friends and beat an objective and get a little feeling of accomplishment. Vs constantly being told they are stupid by a garbage parent or ugly from cruel kids. John listed that false sense of accomplishment as a negative, when it very well could be one of the few positives in some people's lives, even to the point of them not considering suicide. Until they are able or old enough to make changes in their situations. That same 1 or 2 hour escape that books and movies offer, can be a more positive experience by interactions with friends that are not close enough to go hang out, and team up together to beat a mission or quest.
Played games my whole life: my gods honest opinion - some people: no problem. At all. Maybe even a benefit.
For others a problem. Because they start feeling and chasing success in a fantasy world.
And I think that's fair. It depends.
I'm representing the flight sim gang. Steep learning curves, lots of education, skillset training, and lots of wonderful stress.
Just a few minutes in and John is telling his story about being wrapped up in games. I could already tell he's attacking video games based on his own personal experience and his own shortcomings. There are millions of people who can play games and not allow them to consume their lives.
I was born in 1980.
I grew up with computers and video games. I wish to this day I wouldn't have listened to the adults who literally told me you couldn't make a living from games and stuff. 🙄 I would probably be sitting real nice right about now. Thanks a lot, boomers.
I can't watch anymore of this. Now they're bashing on consoles. How hypocritical of a Christian to attack inanimate objects that others like to use to temporarily escape reality and enjoy some fun. I was an only child. Do any of you know just how lonely and crappy being an only child can be? I was fortunate enough to grow up in a rural area on the fringes of town. I was both an indoors and outdoors kid. I was comfortable either way. I just didn't always have a friend who could play. I was also extremely smart and well-read. It's possible to be on both sides or in the middle. I was fortunate enough to be in the middle and well-rounded. Don't project your fears onto others, especially your kids. Let them learn who they are and want to be. Raising your children with bias is how the world got to be the way it is now.
You walked so I could run so I make sure to do so every day and thank you for paving the way
I think if you’d listened a bit longer, you wouldn’t feel so attacked. By the end, they kind of agreed that it depends upon the person. John avoids playing because he wants to avoid the temptation to get sucked in. That’s not something Lucas struggles with, so obviously they have different perspectives. Think of it like one person choosing to drink in moderation (Lucas) while another abstains from drinking entirely because they know it’ll trigger a bunch of negative outcomes (John). Also, I’d argue that Lovell isn’t depriving his kids because he makes it clear that he IS allowing them to dip their toes into gaming with limitations.
Radiologist here. I still love playing video games. It's pretty similar to my work-the human body (for me as a neuroradiologist, the brain, spine, head and neck) is a lot like a map on Call of Duty. Gotta keep my eye out for the sniper/tumor/aneurysm,etc. Little bit higher stakes, but the visual processing is very similar I believe.
I think video games are no different than any other media. They can be bad if the person playing doesn't have the willpower and discipline to moderate. While I understand John's stance on not being relaxing to him because he's 'accomplishing' something, I think that's a unique standpoint. I work from home atm so I've taken an hour out of my day to play, mostly when I'm stuck on a problem and need to 'reset my brain'.
I think the reason people get so addicted to them is that their parents didn't put restrictions on to limit their playtime. Pretty sure John and Lucus touched on this, how because of their parents limiting them when growing up they learned how to moderate. Parents these days just don't want to 'parent'.
The feeling of false accomplishment is so real. Absolute cancer. Especially for someone with an addictive personality like me
"The Amish knew it long ago."
I think one big point on Video Games is that they are a more powerful Medium than most others. Which can go both ways, realize the risk and create safety measures, but use them where you find them to fit
The question is not if they're bad. The question is if there's something better.
Another ignorant comment, because THERE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING "BETTER".
@@xxxlonewolf49 You're right, and eventually you will reach what is "best"
@@davidsimpson9808 Perfection is the enemy of good enough
Balance and the ability to distinguish fantasy from reality are most important.
Thank God people are having these conversations. It's super important. Now WAY more than ever.
I believe video games are good for mental reflexes, especially when playing PVP against someone else.
Knowing how to get the drop on someone else from a hard position is very tactical and takes a lot of thinking regardless if it’s in a video game. Then that person can apply to real life and polish it up using their own physical body.
I concede and redirect this point in the video. Let me know what you think about my challenge to it
@@WarriorPoetSociety interesting take on both sides, but I have to side with Lucas. Video games, depending on which type especially shooters are a great exercise for the mind. I mean, yeah he’s a bit psychotic checking his email, listening to music and playing at the same time lol, but in all reality to the normal person that plays it’s a great mental exercise because it’s challenging and it makes you make challenging decisions that can cost you the game eventually losing the match.
The US Army had a video game that was a recruiting tool back and the 2000s that did the same thing and made you make difficult decisions. And honestly, it was a huge success for the US Army. as an ex army, Ranger you might heard of what Video game I’m talking about officially licensed by the US Army.
Here is a challenge for you,
a couple years ago, Lucas had a Japanese airsoft player on his channel, and the guy was pretty damn decent with a real life pistol, mind you you’re not allowed to own any firearms in Japan. so my challenge to you would be bring a person that is a top-tier airsoft competitor that plays video games, take 2 real AR-15s and equip them with mantis X training systems and have at it at an outdoor range. That would be fun to see on your channel to see who comes out on top 👍🏽
@@vicdiaz5180I played a lot of "Americas Army" back in the day. Got to love the mechanic, "I accidentally shot my buddy now I am in Leavenworth".
What I remember learning most from that game was how to predict human behavior from their past behavior. Dropping on 40mm in the right spot and time blindly based on how they behaved last round.
An argument that the conditioning is not significant on a societal level is that the videogame violence doesn't show up in criminal statistics. And that is not only true for the US but for the whole western world.
🤣🤣 and also movies, and music, and books, and comics, and TV.
This is an old, extremely well covered topic that always ends the same.
@@stevexracer4309 You don't think that exact same debate went on about punk and metal and rap music in the 80s? Or the same debate about rock and roll music in the 50s, or jazz music in the 20s or books ... since books have been written?
This is an OLD conversation about people who are upset about youth and blaming whatever thing the kids like.
Genuinely, you can look up how metal or dungeons and dragons was corrupting youth in the 80s. Or rap at the same time.
People have blamed comics for the same thing since about the 50s. Since 1954 comics have had an image on the cover of the stamp of the comics code authority which was basically saying "this comic isn't evil."
Rock and roll was blamed for a ton of stuff since about the same time.
And on and on it goes.
For literal centuries this exact same thing has been happening and ignorant people rehash the same cliches.
Think people didn't do that about TV as that became common? How about movies as those began ... silent or with sound ... or when they began to have color? How about radio as radios began to enter homes .... And before all of that it was books.
@@zero11010well, they were all right.
@zero11010 I think generally, elders in society have sought to blame increasing degenerate behavior on whatever the new thing is. This allows them to blame anything but themselves for how their children turn out. This is exemplified by what they touched on when discussing parents being engaged and involved enough to recognize when their children need parental intervention to keep something that is otherwise benign from becoming a psychological dependency.
@@sethmorgan0305 more and more young girls are selling their farts in a jar online to perverted men. The older generations were right about the negative effects of mass media consumption
@@JA-jx1hk No, they were full of shit lol.
Sorry, I missed most of the debate. I had it on in the background while gaming
I've been a gamer since Atari came out and have played all genres, and I haven't wanted to hurt nor kill anyone in the real world. Games help you to think and to solve problems, and learn from your mistakes. The consequences of your actions in a video game are nothing compared to the real world.
Here's a thought, maybe things would have turned out differently if Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pot, or Genghis Khan had video games as a teenager.
They don't want to think about that because that's going to make them question themselves
The example he used was bad. Does playing Mario kart make you want to drive fast all the time? No. Does playing Madden make you want to go play football outside? No. The same applies to FPS games.
@@jemulz12 It might not make you, but if you are into driving fast or playing football, you may get more enjoyment out of that. I like to shoot guns and hunt, so I'm into FPS and hunting sims. It's a case where correlation is not causation.
Here is what liberated me from a 2 decades long game addiction.
I did a exercises where i wrote down every life goal i could think of. Everything i wanted to accomplish, have, do, be, experience.
I could not make myself add games into that list. I couldn't live a life where video games were on that list and left any room for anything else.
Before this moment i was both a major collector and completionist...
I basically sold all my console collection save a few party games and haven't fallen back into this since.
First it was books then the radio then comic books then tv and now video games the answer is bad parenting that’s it.
Giving up video games cold turkey last year was one of the best decisions of my life, and it was actually very easy.
Off Topic I think being overworked is more dangerous
Define "overworked". Dont think anyone in the US has it near as bad as a 15 yo in China or india.
What do you mean by overworked? The 8 hour work day is relatively new and if you go back 100-200 years people where "working" the whole time they were awake due to the technology available at the time.
@@TheUglyBiker42069truth.
We literally have it better than kings from 500 years ago and we're whining about having to commute to a climate controlled office to do menial tasks with people we're indifferent to.
Some of the best stories I've ever experienced have been from video games. Red Dead Redemption 2, Farcry 3, Hellblade, and Cyberpunk 2077 have all been deeply thought provoking.
Games have also sparked my interests and encouraged me to study and learn on my own. Red Dead 2 made me want to learn about 1800s America. Kingdom Come Deliverance made such an effort to be accurate to 14th century Bohemia that is is legitimately educational, and an absolute delight to play.
Video games can definitely be very addictive, but no more so than alcohol, caffiene, or nicotine. The key is to enjoy in moderation, and have a discerning mind to separate the junk from the quality. A good whiskey, a pipe of tobacco, and a good game sounds like a great night to me.
I'd also like to add that tactical shooters like Ready Or Not do have some training value. Split second decision making, target identification, awareness of surroundings/ bullet penetration. You can develop good habits if you are already someone who's training this stuff in real life. And the ability to play with friends, now you're learning movement and coordination, communication, learning how your team mates work together. These games are a gold mine for developing these skills.
Cyberpunk is the best story telling I've had in the past 10 years
This should've been titled "Idealism vs Realism" lol
Of all the pros and cons John actually highlighted the most dangerous one, that is instinct/ambition capture.
Young men early on develop a hard drive to DO things in life and the kind of things men need to do (build, create, protect, conquer) are perfectly captured by the virtual world. Except that that world gives you zero return for investing time in it, unlike real life.
So games if you are going to do them need to translate to real world in some way. Great example...pilots.
Pilots play video games. They play a scenario, like an engine failure in a simulator 10 times, 20 times, 100 times... so when an event like that happens in real life, they've already "done it" a hundred times. They are prepared.
A lot of games today are really poor at that. Game developers and the customers should work more towards establishing that connection between the virtual and the real world.
This is silly. Have a gluttony conversation.
To John’s final point about video games causing mental issues, it all comes down to parenting teaching the kids that “hey, you know that’s not how it works in real life right?” Granted, part of that can be avoided if parents did their job and made sure they supervised what the kid was playing.
You can make the same argument about guns that John is making about video games.
Proficiency with any weapon could help protect your family and neighbors someday….. proficiency in video games unequivocally will NOT provide any real world upside, unless you’re specifically doing flight/drone simulators for the inevitable firefly wars we’ve already seen in Ukraine…. And even then, that’s such a niche that not every game would prepare you for.
There are nearly no useless weapons one could learn to be proficient with👌🏼
@@AleksanderLydkunstare you dumb?
Which argument? They talk about a few different things
While I mostly agree with you bud, you can't use "unequivocally " and then say "unless" ;) Even if your "unless" was the only example, it's not, it leaves room for doubt. Stay cool though!
@@AleksanderLydkunst There's games about programming and other things. Also Sudoku could be considered a video game and has proven to aid cognitive function. You are a simpleton. Expand your horizons.
I have some things to say about this.
(By the way, I'm on my wife's account because I can't log into mine at the moment)
First off, this was an interesting conversation and many good points were made.
As for my personal experiences, I first began playing computer games when I was 5 years old (year 2000). My favorite game was Age of Empires but I also loved driving monster trucks and dirtbikes. My parents were not very supportive of me and my brother's spending time on computers and frequently tried to restrict or ban us from doing it. However, me and my siblings were often left home alone for many days or weeks at a time (we didn't go to school either) so we learned to "manage ourselves" to some extent. Me and my brothers developed a fair knowledge about computers as young boys putting together and maintaining whatever old hardware we could use. We hated when our computers stopped working and would spend hours and hours trying to fix them--with some success.
We learned a lot of computer fundamentals in the process.
That said, my experience goes a lot deeper than just learning some computer skills. We grew up in a harsh environment facing deprivation, neglect, and violence. For me (and I always thought for my brothers as well) our games were significant at a deep and spiritual level. Speaking for myself, the games I played were intimately connected to my own personal development. I knew myself through them and they were a part of me. The personal bond between myself and my favorite games was fundamentally unbreakable. I say this now at almost 29 years old with a wife, 4 kids, a full time job, and no current access to computer games. Nevertheless, the bond I formed through my game experiences is still as real as it was when I was a boy. I am loyal to these games which I believe played a critical role in my personal development.
So what am I i talking about? How did games affect my personal development? Well, I believe the effects went much further than computer skills and hand/eye coordination. I believe the games I played directly enhanced my personality. I was drawn into creativity, imagination, experimentation, complex problem solving, and unique social interactions. I passionately yearned to "role play" as leaders and exercise empathy through imagined relationships with people in the games. I cared about my people and wanted to be competent and honorable. When I played real time strategy games like Age of Empires I actually cared about the lives of my people. I never felt emotionally detached or just let people die purposelessly. I lived through the lives of the various people seeing myself in their shoes or as someone in relationship to them. I wanted to be a good leader that would deserve the respect of my people. I "role played" in this way all the time and it absolutely affected my behavior outside the games. I wanted to be like an honorable warrior poet and computer games gave me the opportunity to envision these things and develop myself in these ways. I became passionate about history and philosophy and spent a lot of time learning about them. I became dedicated to honour, chivalry, and logical reasoning.
I felt a responsibility to the people with whom I built relationships in games and this encouraged me to try very hard to be a good person--both in the games and in the external world.
I absolutely believe games helped me to be a better person both morally and practically.
By the way, I have never been a big fan of grand theft auto, first person shooters, or mass multiplayer.
My prefer real time strategy games, role playing games, and racing games. My favorite is multiplayer with family but I also like single player if I can share the stories/experiences with family members. I definitely like the social element of sharing information or experiences with people I am close to.
How can you reasonably debate something that is so conditional?!
by crafting conditions in our conversation. It'll be good -- you'll see 😎
The problem is not video games, it's your relationship with them.
I’m someone that plays video games. I like Fallout, have played COD and Battlefield. Currently playing Mass Effect.
I think the vast majority of games are benign as long as you don’t spend all of your time playing them. There are some games though that I just don’t believe are good or healthy to play. I played the story in GTA5 and stopped probably halfway through. Being able to mow down civilians and blow up cars with zero repercussions just didn’t sit right with my conscience. Also I prefer games that give you choices to be good or bad. Starfield, Fallout and Mass Effect can be wildly altered based on the choices you make.
Your first time through on Mass Effect?
Skyrim my friend...Skyrim.
There is an element of psychological manipulation that is present in gaming that you don't see in other entertainment media too. The loot boxes, premium currency, cosmetic purchases, all that stuff is designed to keep you coming back for "one more hit" like a crack head. Some people are way more prone to falling victim to those schemes than others. I find myself just avoiding the game entirely if they use those tactics or schemes.
@@Sophistry0001 That’s a great point that they didn’t really touch on. “Free-to-play” mobile games are the WORST for this reason. If I’ve got to make in-game purchases to have fun or stay competitive, I’m avoiding it like the plague.
@@DonkeyBuns it’s the fact that the game encourages it. I felt myself becoming a more angry and violent person the more I played the game. If they would immediately sic the cops on you after hitting a pedestrian or 20 then there would be that connection for your brain to realize it’s wrong. But since they don’t do anything, it can over time be seen as an acceptable behavior. You hear all the 7 year olds playing that game online cussing people out?!
Theres a mental wall in anyone who cant see a positive element to video games. It frustrates me that im seen as wasting time because everyone has down time and chooses how to use it.
When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways.
Lots of good points and counterpoints. Final point: People who play online games yell at each other and say unbecoming things about each others mothers; When I watch sports I yell only at the tv! And say unbecoming things about my tv's mother.
Trying to wrap my head around the concept of 2 guys complaining about human beings that are involved in too much screen time…but both have produced thousands of hours on content via videos on social media and RUclips that we watch on the screen!?! I love the 2A community but no a fan of religion….I look at it like if your opinion is you don’t agree with my video games is a waste of time so I say about going to church is a waste to me. Idk to each is own I guess.
Video games causing violent behavior has been pretty thoroughly bedunked by multiple groups
Its escapism from the hell we all live everyday under this nightmare administration, you still need to go outside and live your life, but entertainment is entertainment 🎮
Exactly what they want. You distracted from the reality in front of you instead of figuring out how to improve upon it.
@@southern842 Because there's nothing you as one single miniscule person can do to make the world better. You can make it better for yourself and your family and THAT'S IT. And only to a limited extent.
Improving the world requires a massive amount of effort with many people involved, but especially those higher up. Unless enough people get involved this is literally nothing more than pure fantasy. And said people have to be on the same wavelength as you. And be able to overcome those who are ACTUALLY in power which is also a near insurmountable task.
What you're asking for it quite literally impossible.
The age old answer to the age old question, moderation and my favorite word "balance" ❤
Yall are my 2 favorite gun guys faith living dudes love the conversations you guys have!
Honestly depends on the game.
@@stevexracer4309really….you can honestly say that? How about any game with a M rating. Man there are so many games that that fact you can type that is hilarious.
@@stevexracer4309Gears of war, resident evil, call of duty, grad theft auto, etc. etc etc
There are so many games that yes as adult I will play and enjoy but a child should not be playing them.
So congratulations you are a functioning member of society, good for you is my jaw supposed to drop? Look just because it didn’t “ruin” you Doesn’t mean un restricted access is good for you. But the beautiful part is as an adult you can make your own choices about it.
This new generation can’t, tell if they don’t even know if they are a boy or a girl, they don’t even know when a human life beings (conception). A lot of today’s kids can’t even socialize without a screen.
Look just because it didn’t make you go out and commit crimes doesn’t mean it’s good to overdo it without some form of self control. This has become such a large part of today’s culture it’s good to have conversations even if you don’t agree.
@@stevexracer4309seriously? If you think kids should be playing gta then you’re just plain dumb.
@@tiudesvx5400exactly this dude is out of touch. He thinks his experience is reality for everyone
I'm actually starting to realize gaming isn't really good for me. It changes who I am. Makes me anxious to get home. Makes me want everyone to go to bed so I can do the only thing I've wanted to engage with all day. Kinda just takes over. I put it down about 2 weeks ago. Honestly considering just not picking it back up.
Imagine getting to the end of your life , you’re in your 90s and you only have days or hours left: are you gonna look back and think “ I’m glad I played all those video games”, or would you more likely say “I’m glad I built those skills” or “spent time on the range” or “built that relationship”. Lucas, congrats you just got married. I’ve been married for nearly 9 years and we have four kids. I have less than zero interest in spending time on a video game. Time with family, time in the word, time in the gym, time on the range, time on the myriad of projects I have one homestead, plenty of things to put my time towards. We watch some movies and shows, I could see when the kids are old enough to not have their sense of reality screwed up by it, I could see doing some video games as something fun to do together besides hiking sports swimming hunting fishing etc. But man, time is fleeting!
The topic of discussion has always been a fun one for me. You both handled it very well, always entertaining to see you both get together. So, this might raise a brow... I'm 40 (41 soon,1983) and My favorite pass time is video games followed by firearms. Like Lucas, I don't spend much time with movies, TV series, I'm not a huge fan of phones and I despise social media. you both brought up great points that I agree with. Are video games bad for you? I believe no.
I would make the case that video games help with the hand eye coordination both with controllers and computer keyboards, a great way to stay in touch with people that have moved away long distance, and a way to disconnect from reality from time to time (much like a fiction book).
I can only speak on my experiences when it comes to games, I have played Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat, Gears of War, Halo, Elder Scrolls games (Skyrim)... My collection is well over 300 games spanning across 10 different consoles and PC. I've played some of the "worst" games that gaming has to offer and have enjoyed the story lines, play throughs, and the ability to just have fun with what they are. They have never temped me to try and rip someone's head off, steal someone's car, or cause any form of harm to anyone. I believe myself to be a good person, I believe the most successful people in life are the ones who are genuinely happy people in life. As far as the part of lack of empathy, I can't argue that it won't contribute, I think that the lack of empathy was there before said person picks up a controller.
I'm also a Shift Supervisor at a Factory who started as an operator and worked my way up and work 50+hrs a week, been there for now 17 years. Just bought a new house, moved from a previous home of 21 years and have a loving woman at my side with 3 kids. I think that where things shift to bad is the lack of balance. Too much of anything often times is bad. You see also the lack of discipline with people and their kids where the kid is misbehaving so the parents often pull their phone out and hand it to them, rewarding this bad behavior and I think we're seeing a lot of this now. You see some people in the workplace thumbing through their phones affecting productivity and you're the bad guy when you call them out on this behavior and explain you're not on the clock getting paid to do that. So where a good thing goes bad in my opinion is the lack of balance and discipline.... just a mild observer of the insanities around me. thanks for the video guys, enjoyed. Take care.
At the end of the day, countless studies show that video games do not cause any more harm than watching movies or tv and if anything can be beneficial (in moderation, as everything else.) Now you can choose to ignore those studies, but then you have to convince myself and other why it’s incorrect.
Like anything it can be overdone. I play with my friends, my brother, my children and my woman. I own a business and affiliated with another one, I exercise and cook meals for my family, I read, I spent a lot of time outside bird watching, hunting fishing etc
It's about balance. I've played games my entire life. I truly enjoy them. If it's bad i don't want to be right