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If you buy a dosing ring and a WDT tool you can fit the right amount in more easily. The right dose in any basket is usually a bit higher than the top loose. 1) Put dosing ring in portafilter, 2) grind coffee into portafilter, 3) stir a little with WDT, 4) bang on something a couple times to settle grounds. The grounds should be under the level of the basket rim now and less likely to spill all over the place.
Totally agree, wouldn’t be without my dosing funnel bought after a few attempts and waste of good coffee. I have a Barista Pro and while it’s a very good machine nobody ever explained this issue when I purchased it causing me to lose large amounts of coffee, not to mention dialling in 😅
@@CalebsCars no. I get his point. The level of roast and grind size totally does affect how high the grounds pile up. My advice was supplemental if anything.
I use the IMS B62.52TH26E for my Breville (54mm) and for the perfect amount it's 19gr of light roast, 18gr of medium roast and 17gr of dark roast. This also allows for my Puck screen and it not being overfilled. Without using a Puck screen you could add 1gr to each of the roast types. If you want 18gr or more of dark roast (and a Puck screen) then you would want the 28E model.
Would be a dream! But simply not possible. Too many variables to consider including humidity in the air, and VERY few grinders are calibrated that accurately. Even hyper expensive commercial ones
Skips all other points in the video, points out one that seems obvious in isolation but confuses all beginners to the point where this video has a quarter million views in a couple months. Complains. Nice 👍
It is crazy how complicated it can all seem. I am almost 2 years into espresso now and I was so frustrated I almost gave up. It’s so worth it to do your homework and don’t be afraid to experiment and break “rules” to get that good first cup
Heck yeah, when you are starting just don't worry about this kind of things, how fine is the grain is not gonna be that important when you are still getting used to the espresso workflow. Just have fun and make a coffee that you can enjoy, everything else should come AFTER that
You approached this but didn't specifically say this. Some off-brand espresso machines simply come with smaller double baskets that can only be filled with about 15 grams of coffee.
I've just started making espresso. I was a Kuerig coffee drinker (can't stand the store bought pods, so I used refillable pods with my favorite coffee) and never really tried espresso. I decided to get an espresso machine for my birthday, and because I'm a beginner, went with the CasaBrews espresso machine. It comes with a 51mm portafilter. The most I can put in it AND use the puck screen is 13.5 gr. Is it because of the size of the portafilter, or am I just not tamping it down enough?
But first of all I don't understand this ratio of 1/2. It's way too concentrated. Italian espresso is 1/4 (7-8 grams of powder for 30 grams in the cup). It's already quite strong, most people drink it lighter.
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Thanks for sharing knowledge! It's the first time after 2 years watching videos about specialty coffees that I hear about darker roasts being so much less dense. Makes total sense.
Had to figure this out myself through trial and error, and wished there was a resource like this online to explain it when I bought my machine a year and a half ago. Thanks for uploading!
Got a bambino+ just before Xmas and have had to go down to 10second grind amount on the SGP so it fits. That’s with grind size of 12 because anything smaller was struggling to get anything out the other side. Coffee tastes good though, will tweak in the new year!
The taste is what is important. So many rules have been made up as to how coffee should be made, but they are only guides. For my Breville machine I usually grind 11-12 and get around 14-15 grams. The better the beans, the better the taste.
Exactly my problem right now, after owning a barista pro for a week or so. And I did exactly that. Went to my local grocer, got a bag of beans, set machine to default grinding, expected it to give me a perfect 18- 22g, it overflowed 😅😅. Somehow youtube read my mind and gave me your video even tho I did not search for it. Liked and subscribed. Thanks for making this video
Please help! I only use dark roasts. So if I been having issues with 18g, and now experimenting with 16g…. Does it still need to be 32g (1:2 ratio) of output in 30-35 seconds ? Or does the time change as well? Of course as a regular benchmark rule.
Once you’re in the ballpark just start tasting. There’s no “right” answer. But generally, the brew ratio would stay the same 1:2 and same with the time
Maybe you just haven’t tried the right one yet! Much of what’s easily accessible is very dark, bitter coffee. Try to find a specialty café close to you. Some lighter specialty coffees can be very fruity, gentle, sweet, and almost tea like
I usually get 20grams in my portafilter after dosing I wonder if I have a 22g basket. My ratio is 1:2 so 20g in and 40g out in about 26 seconds and no channeling just a perfect pull each time!
Maybe it's because I'm from Melbourne Australia and we have some of the best coffee in the world but I have never seen espresso roasts defaulting to dark, theyre normally medium in my experience
Having done research before I purchased my breville, I realized it would take a while to make sure I had medium roast (my preference), that was not too bitter, the puck was not to dry, the pressure look correct and there was crema, on the top of the pour. Yeah it was frustrating, dial up the grind #, what about adjusting the burr grind #. I think it’s dialed in now, not too bitter, enjoy a morning brew. I still have my old coffee maker and interesting enough I now realize it’s much more bitter. Next learning to properly foam milk, turned it into curds once 😝. Still work in progress, found I really like oat milk, instead of whole or 2%.
Worth noting is also that the 18g dosage is usually a "standard" for 58mm portafilters and the Breville machines use a 54mm portafilter. It might also be that the default basket that Breville ships with the machine is not rated for 18g but for 16 or sth.
I have that exact machine, and have struggled with that exact problem. Nicely explained, clean and simple. New subscriber :) My ideal dose for the beans i use is 17g, and that allows me to use the puck filter to keep things clean
I also bought a dosing ring that sits atop the porta-filler however I cheaped out and didnt get the one with the magnets so already kicking myself as have knocked it off a few times spilling ground coffee everywhere lol. If you don’t yet have a dosing ring or funnel buy one with magnets. 👍🏼
I'm still struggling to achieve the "perfect" espresso shot. If I try using 18g of finely ground medium-roast coffee, it touches the water distribution head, and I have to clean the machine after every shot! I can only fit 17 grams of coffee, ground as fine as my grinder can go. The extraction time averages 22-23 seconds and produces about 38 to 40 grams of coffee. The taste still isn't what I hoped.
Could be so many things going wrong, including you just don't like the coffee you're using! You need to now adjust the brew ratio and grind to taste. Don't just use someone else's arbitrary numbers. Those are starting points only
Hmmm… we use Lavazza with our Delonghi and there is no way a 18/19g dose will fit in the standard double shot. A 12g does make a perfectly reasonable espresso. Its fine.
Is there any way to get a triple shot basket for gaggia Espresso deluxe which has a 53mm portafilter? It'd need to be deeper as I assume the diameter can't be changed. I've looked online and can't find anything... The max I can get in is 14 g.
And the size of the basket / portafilter doesn't matter? I don't get 18 grams of coffee in my 51 mm basket (15 max).. now a 58 mm basket (and another machine...)...
Don’t Breville have 54 diameter size portafilter while all E61 brew group have 58. I believe that this is the primary factor explaining the overflowing.
This was super helpful! I have a cheap DeLonghi espresso machine that uses a 51mm basket. I got a bottomless filter for it but have been having trouble getting 18g to fit in the basket. I know that darker roasts have less caffeine because of the roasting time, but it makes so much sense that darker roasts are less dense!
Apparently according to James Hoffman on one of his YT vids I remember watching, darker roasts have more caffeine as they are less dense so one can extract more from them. I’m not an expert though.
@@JRE-ut2tb Actually lighter roasts have more caffeine because the highest level of caffeine is in a green, unroasted coffee been. The less you roast, the more of that caffeine that stays in the bean. However, darker roasts have a more bitter, classic coffee taste and so it makes for good espresso.
@@MellisaN.Santos I can probably only realistically fit 16g of dark roast into my machine. I recommend using a medium roast for the 51mm DeLonghi portafilters. Currently, I’m blending a light and dark roast and using 18g, which has been working pretty well. This also allows me to use a puck screen to keep my machine clean. I couldn’t use a puck screen with 18g of dark roast at all.
@@marcbaldwin1887true. What I should have wrote is that darker roast coffees have more caffeine than lighter roasts due to their higher solubility during extraction according to James Hoffman. 👍
18g is a “traditional” dose, but may not fit in every basket with every coffee. Dose correctly for your coffee and basket size, not to 18g just because that’s what everyone says. Recipe can be adjusted accordingly
If your using an Italian machine they only use 7 grams for a single shot or 14 grams for a double shot. They don't use 18 grams. Thats too much coffee. Only Americans do that.
This is perhaps the most useless coffee video I've ever seen. You talk about a large number of variables that are almost irrelevant, at the level of consumer that this video is meant for, before finally bringing up the biggest and central issue, which is the size of the basket, which then ties into your sales pitch as you've got sponsored links to these products. Thanks for the clickbait
How on earth are grind size and bean selection irrelevant!?!? Those are the two biggest factors there are…. Looks like Liam might be in a bit over his head
I was wondering why this was happening I’ve been using Starbucks, espresso beans, dark roast. to the point where I got frustrated and stop using the machine.
hey, i am looking for a better basket for my sage dual boiler. i got the normcore bottomless portafilter but think the basket of it could be improved. i found the big bang ones. could you please recommend me a matching one or tell me if it will truly make an improvement?
Anybody have advice on what to do with the overflow coffee grounds?? I hate to throw away the excess but I also don't know if there is a way to preserve the freshness of ground beans or if its even worth storing them for later.
That is not an espresso machine and it’s called a portafilter. Also as you show coffee grounds are measured by weight not volume as you contradict yourself.
Great vid for me because this is exactly the problem I am having. The beans are actually a very dark roast. I had thought that the 54mm portafilter on my Bambino was basically not fit for purpose, like too small. It's also good to know about deep baskets. Maybe the way forward is a bottomless portafilter and deep basket. Interestingly, on the single shot basket there is no overflow. But doubling the shot (like on the smart pro grinder) and using the double basket, is causing overflow. Is the double basket not double volume of the single basket?
@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks for clarifying. I prefer a lighter roast anyway so I'll see how the lighter roast grind looks in the double basket. I've already replaced the fiddly little tamper so don't really now want to go to the expense of buying a new portafilter and basket
How come we can watch hours upon hours of videos, everything gets repeated and still nothing really adds up so we just end up eyeballing it. Then in just under 4 minutes it makes sense. Great video, I've been having good coffee so far, but I've been missing out on great coffee.
Yes, grindsize matters... But! The most important thing is basket diameter and basket height. Don't expect to fit 18 grams of coffee in a standard 51mm (delonghi) basket.
My solution to this is basically just use a bigger portable basket. I’ve found out that 1click difference from my current grinder would choke my machine.
I was just trying to explain this to my friend who is just getting into the idea of buying an espresso machine. I was trying to explain how different brands and different machines have different depth switch the shower screen pokes down into the portafilter basket and that being the headspace being more important than the actual grams of coffee in the basket so to look at it as a volumetric issue not particularly weight-based depending on the roast level of your beans. For example, I consistently dose 18.5 G of Panther 1985 ground through a Niche Zero in my Breville Bambino dual basket with the Breville razor tool just barely grazing top of it and the perfect headspace. Half a gram less and there's always water sitting on top of my puck, anymore and you can see the screw mark from the shower screen in the middle of the puck. The medium roast from Cuvee I had last I could barely get 18 G in the basket cuz the razor tool is always scraping a bit off. I only used that tool as a gauge until I figure out the weight of beans I need when I change beans and it's super handy
Got the Barista Pro for 2 years now Dont try to squeeze 18g in your 54mm basket I usually go for 16g and it tastes 10/10 with a decent coffee. If you do the math, it's around 15,8g to get the same height of coffee as the 58mm baskets with 18g. Since you want the equivalent of contact time of water and coffee. Also remember to never fill the bean basket to the max or they dry out after 2 or more days.
My actual experience is the opposite, Fine grind size creates more volume initially. Coarse grind size will take up less space initially but will take up more volume than fine grind when compacted.
measure to taste not what some you tuber says I use dark roast and measure 16.69 and thats perfect for my machine, basket and taste everyone loves it. But I spend a good 3-6 brews to dial that in at first. Before when i had a different grinder and machine it was a different weight and grind size do what works for you.
Something you forgot to mention is that you can get a device to extend the size of the basket. It attaches to the top. This is what I do, but it is only for a tiny bit that goes over the topic.
That is a dosing funnel, it does not change the capacity of the basket, it simply helps with mess when grinding. Can also use a dosing up :) but neither are relevant to this particular topic
i find that just having for example 16g of coffee and 32ml of extraction works just as fine. especially if you worked hard to tune the coffee to how you like it
I have a 15g VST basket for my Breville Oracle but I have to use at least 20g or I get a muddy puck (no matter which grind size or bean I use). Would like a nice puck simply to make the process a bit cleaner.
I’m so glad you forced me to allow you to explain. Never realized using a darker roast sometimes was the issue. Kind of embarrassed I’ve gone this long not knowing…
I usually updose for light roasts due to reason 2. E.g. 20g coffee for the same target ratio&time I’d do for a medium roast. The light roasts retain more water and cellulose that wasn’t roasted out. So updosing ensures consistent total soluble coffee in the portafilter.
@@Cenot4ph sometimes. You can only push extraction so far. People should be thinking in terms of soluble mass, not the mass of the whole bean. Which of course you can’t casually measure, but as general principle, an equal mass of light roast has less solubles to extract than an equal mass of dark roast, because the dark roast is drier and has been partially burned off as CO2.
Great video, thanks! I mix a dark roasted bean with a medium roasted bean. Weighing 50g of each will show you the difference in density, as the medium contains more moisture and oil. You can then adjust your bean ratio to taste. I only use about 14g of the ground mixture for espresso.
I have the same setting for more than a years, using the same coffee. I use to get 16 to 17g of coffee. In the maximum setting .now the most i get is 12g from the grinder in the maximum knob setting, i made a deep.cleaning tonthe grider and stil getting only 12g. It got me crazy, i don't know what else to do. I started thinking it my be an internal electric problem in the machine amout know.
Volume is volume whether it’s wider and shallower or narrower and deeper, a certain amount of coffee can only fit in it, described by the variables here
The right dose is the right dose for your basket and coffee. You saying 13-14g could be correct in some cases, but also drastically underfill a basket in others. Understand the principles, don’t memorize numbers
@@LifestyleLab_ don't lecture me about basket and coffee.... You may convince your audience someday that perhaps half a gallon of espresso is delicious like a royal bigMac ha... Anyway take care and enjoy the magic of coffee
I wish I'd seen this video about 5 years ago when I started trying to do espresso. Those narrow 53mm Breville baskets just don't have a lot of room on top for the coffee to pile up. Something else that's helped me is getting a 53mm catch/dosing cup. I got a lovely one from Crema Coffee that can slide into the grinder and has a tab at the back to push it. It's also a lot easier to balance on a small scale than portafilters. Granted, it now sits under my Niche Zero, but I think most people buying a breville machine with a built in grinder (like my Barista Express) aren't going to use an external one, at least starting out.
Hi, I'm using the Breville BES920 (Dual Boiler), but I'm having trouble consistently extracting 40ml in 35 seconds at 9 bars. The time extends well beyond 35 seconds. If I adjust the grind coarser, the pressure drops. Is it because my machine's original factory has revised the vibration pump, limiting it to a maximum of 9 bars? What should I do?
You can’t taste pressure. Run the shot how it flows and tastes best for that coffee. 9 bar will be the absolute maximum pressure with a blind basket in place, and flow will then have slightly lower pressure. That’s just physics, check out my video on flow control
Hey! I really enjoy your reviews! Can you please suggest a grinder which can do both drip coffee and espresso? Somewhere in between $250-$500 maybe even I can go for a bit more expensive if there is a good deal, or some grinder that just head and shoulders above the rest
You can consider the Fellow Opus, Baratza Encore ESP, or on the higher end of price point the Turin DF64 Gen2. All great options that can do both filter and espresso quite well
But what to do with the brew ratio? Let's say that coffee A (darker roast) weighs 16g and coffee B (lighter roast) weighs 18g in my basket, would you go for the same yield? If you use a 1:2 ratio that would normally mean that coffee A should have a yield of 32g and coffee B 36g in around 25 seconds. Or would you go for a similar yield for the two coffees?
As always, your yield should be what tastes best for that particular coffee! Yes, if you are going for a 1:2 ratio then you would be aiming for 32 g out of a 16 g dose.
Hi, i am pulling good espresso shots when the inner burr setting of my Breville Barista Pro is at 5 and the knot setting outside is at 6 ~ 7. If I set burr to finer, perhaps a 4, how much would you recommend I up my knot setting? Thanks
I had the opposite problem with my Lelit and after tamping it seemed to me that the distance to the brew group was too great, so I switched to an alternative basket with only 16g and now 18g fits better.
The ratio of 2-1 is what we are after and a standard of 18-36 in 30 seconds has become a norm. We know it can be lesser but why companies are making machines that can't work at the normal rate is beyond me. I then start thinking is it a design over look. Hmmmm.
There is no design oversight, as this video explains, the basket fits a range of weights depending on your coffee. It can’t possibly work for every single one
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If you buy a dosing ring and a WDT tool you can fit the right amount in more easily. The right dose in any basket is usually a bit higher than the top loose. 1) Put dosing ring in portafilter, 2) grind coffee into portafilter, 3) stir a little with WDT, 4) bang on something a couple times to settle grounds. The grounds should be under the level of the basket rim now and less likely to spill all over the place.
Totally agree, wouldn’t be without my dosing funnel bought after a few attempts and waste of good coffee. I have a Barista Pro and while it’s a very good machine nobody ever explained this issue when I purchased it causing me to lose large amounts of coffee, not to mention dialling in 😅
😂 you’re missing the entire point of this video. 18g with a ring can still overflow a basket
@@CalebsCars no. I get his point. The level of roast and grind size totally does affect how high the grounds pile up. My advice was supplemental if anything.
@@mikeh2613same lol
How does a wdt aid in not overflowing the basket?
I use the IMS B62.52TH26E for my Breville (54mm) and for the perfect amount it's 19gr of light roast, 18gr of medium roast and 17gr of dark roast. This also allows for my Puck screen and it not being overfilled. Without using a Puck screen you could add 1gr to each of the roast types. If you want 18gr or more of dark roast (and a Puck screen) then you would want the 28E model.
Thanks 4 the info / help;)
Thank you, this was very helpful. I just ordered the 28E ims basket.
that was the best 3 minute i invested in watching a video to explain something that is never covered making espresso videos... thnks
I like to drink different types of coffee so I just use the pressurized filter basket.
It fits just fine.
Tell me you didn’t watch the video without telling me you didn’t watch the video
App idea.
Enter the espresso machine you have.
Enter the Espresso beans you have and it tells you the ideal settings for that machine.
Would be a dream! But simply not possible. Too many variables to consider including humidity in the air, and VERY few grinders are calibrated that accurately. Even hyper expensive commercial ones
Does it really matter if it's 18g?
Nope! Just dose according to your coffee and basket, and dial in a recipe that tastes good for you and your coffee :)
Use less coffee. 🤦♂️ 3:46 of the bleeding obvious
Skips all other points in the video, points out one that seems obvious in isolation but confuses all beginners to the point where this video has a quarter million views in a couple months. Complains. Nice 👍
It is crazy how complicated it can all seem. I am almost 2 years into espresso now and I was so frustrated I almost gave up. It’s so worth it to do your homework and don’t be afraid to experiment and break “rules” to get that good first cup
Heck yeah, when you are starting just don't worry about this kind of things, how fine is the grain is not gonna be that important when you are still getting used to the espresso workflow. Just have fun and make a coffee that you can enjoy, everything else should come AFTER that
Choke my espresso machine? NEVER. I bought one with 200 bars of pressure. I will absolutely Crush those espresso grinds until I hear it squeal.😂
You approached this but didn't specifically say this. Some off-brand espresso machines simply come with smaller double baskets that can only be filled with about 15 grams of coffee.
Also true!
At the end of the day, volume is volume. No getting around that
I've just started making espresso. I was a Kuerig coffee drinker (can't stand the store bought pods, so I used refillable pods with my favorite coffee) and never really tried espresso. I decided to get an espresso machine for my birthday, and because I'm a beginner, went with the CasaBrews espresso machine. It comes with a 51mm portafilter. The most I can put in it AND use the puck screen is 13.5 gr. Is it because of the size of the portafilter, or am I just not tamping it down enough?
But first of all I don't understand this ratio of 1/2. It's way too concentrated. Italian espresso is 1/4 (7-8 grams of powder for 30 grams in the cup). It's already quite strong, most people drink it lighter.
Answer: we're not all Italian, or drinking the same coffee.
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Thanks for sharing knowledge! It's the first time after 2 years watching videos about specialty coffees that I hear about darker roasts being so much less dense. Makes total sense.
Went crazy the first day trying to figure this exact issue out. Great video makes me feel less crazy. Thank you
Great video !!!!😎☕️👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Had to figure this out myself through trial and error, and wished there was a resource like this online to explain it when I bought my machine a year and a half ago. Thanks for uploading!
I use a 21g basket with my La Marzocco so I can fit a puck screen in as well. I love dark roasts. 20g in 40g out in 30 seconds. Perfect.
Got a bambino+ just before Xmas and have had to go down to 10second grind amount on the SGP so it fits. That’s with grind size of 12 because anything smaller was struggling to get anything out the other side. Coffee tastes good though, will tweak in the new year!
The taste is what is important. So many rules have been made up as to how coffee should be made, but they are only guides. For my Breville machine I usually grind 11-12 and get around 14-15 grams. The better the beans, the better the taste.
Exactly my problem right now, after owning a barista pro for a week or so. And I did exactly that. Went to my local grocer, got a bag of beans, set machine to default grinding, expected it to give me a perfect 18- 22g, it overflowed 😅😅. Somehow youtube read my mind and gave me your video even tho I did not search for it. Liked and subscribed. Thanks for making this video
I have this same machine it's been over a year and I am just giving up. It's so frustrating.
What’s frustrating you?
I use a porta-filter extension. Allows a bit more grounds, space to WDT then when I compress everything fits just fine and tastes great.
Great way to avoid mess!
But still can’t change the capacity of the actual basket. Can also consider a dosing cup workflow :)
Please help! I only use dark roasts. So if I been having issues with 18g, and now experimenting with 16g…. Does it still need to be 32g (1:2 ratio) of output in 30-35 seconds ? Or does the time change as well? Of course as a regular benchmark rule.
Once you’re in the ballpark just start tasting. There’s no “right” answer.
But generally, the brew ratio would stay the same 1:2 and same with the time
it makes me want to like coffee... but it's gross :\
Maybe you just haven’t tried the right one yet! Much of what’s easily accessible is very dark, bitter coffee. Try to find a specialty café close to you. Some lighter specialty coffees can be very fruity, gentle, sweet, and almost tea like
I usually get 20grams in my portafilter after dosing I wonder if I have a 22g basket. My ratio is 1:2 so 20g in and 40g out in about 26 seconds and no channeling just a perfect pull each time!
Maybe it's because I'm from Melbourne Australia and we have some of the best coffee in the world but I have never seen espresso roasts defaulting to dark, theyre normally medium in my experience
This was actually really simply and well explained. And quite informational.
Having done research before I purchased my breville, I realized it would take a while to make sure I had medium roast (my preference), that was not too bitter, the puck was not to dry, the pressure look correct and there was crema, on the top of the pour. Yeah it was frustrating, dial up the grind #, what about adjusting the burr grind #.
I think it’s dialed in now, not too bitter, enjoy a morning brew. I still have my old coffee maker and interesting enough I now realize it’s much more bitter.
Next learning to properly foam milk, turned it into curds once 😝. Still work in progress, found I really like oat milk, instead of whole or 2%.
Thank you for explaining this! I also have the Barista Pro and was wondering why 18g would barely fit my basket!
Worth noting is also that the 18g dosage is usually a "standard" for 58mm portafilters and the Breville machines use a 54mm portafilter. It might also be that the default basket that Breville ships with the machine is not rated for 18g but for 16 or sth.
I have that exact machine, and have struggled with that exact problem. Nicely explained, clean and simple. New subscriber :)
My ideal dose for the beans i use is 17g, and that allows me to use the puck filter to keep things clean
I also bought a dosing ring that sits atop the porta-filler however I cheaped out and didnt get the one with the magnets so already kicking myself as have knocked it off a few times spilling ground coffee everywhere lol.
If you don’t yet have a dosing ring or funnel buy one with magnets. 👍🏼
Simple do not follow an 18g dose, drop down a gram or two and the brew ratio should be a smaller yield for a sweeter shot. E.g 17g in 28g out
This was said in the video, yes
I'm still struggling to achieve the "perfect" espresso shot. If I try using 18g of finely ground medium-roast coffee, it touches the water distribution head, and I have to clean the machine after every shot! I can only fit 17 grams of coffee, ground as fine as my grinder can go. The extraction time averages 22-23 seconds and produces about 38 to 40 grams of coffee. The taste still isn't what I hoped.
Could be so many things going wrong, including you just don't like the coffee you're using!
You need to now adjust the brew ratio and grind to taste. Don't just use someone else's arbitrary numbers. Those are starting points only
Hmmm… we use Lavazza with our Delonghi and there is no way a 18/19g dose will fit in the standard double shot.
A 12g does make a perfectly reasonable espresso. Its fine.
And now you know why that is :)
Is there any way to get a triple shot basket for gaggia Espresso deluxe which has a 53mm portafilter? It'd need to be deeper as I assume the diameter can't be changed. I've looked online and can't find anything... The max I can get in is 14 g.
If it fits the same baskets as the 53/54mm Breville's then yes. But if it's some proprietary Gaggia size then likely not
And the size of the basket / portafilter doesn't matter? I don't get 18 grams of coffee in my 51 mm basket (15 max).. now a 58 mm basket (and another machine...)...
When did I say the size of the basket doesn’t matter?
Don’t Breville have 54 diameter size portafilter while all E61 brew group have 58. I believe that this is the primary factor explaining the overflowing.
That is A factor, but as you can see in this video, absolutely not the only factor :)
Many coffees, I can fit 20g even in a 54mm basket
This was super helpful! I have a cheap DeLonghi espresso machine that uses a 51mm basket. I got a bottomless filter for it but have been having trouble getting 18g to fit in the basket. I know that darker roasts have less caffeine because of the roasting time, but it makes so much sense that darker roasts are less dense!
Apparently according to James Hoffman on one of his YT vids I remember watching, darker roasts have more caffeine as they are less dense so one can extract more from them. I’m not an expert though.
How many gram can you fit? I have the same model and problem
@@JRE-ut2tb Actually lighter roasts have more caffeine because the highest level of caffeine is in a green, unroasted coffee been. The less you roast, the more of that caffeine that stays in the bean. However, darker roasts have a more bitter, classic coffee taste and so it makes for good espresso.
@@MellisaN.Santos I can probably only realistically fit 16g of dark roast into my machine. I recommend using a medium roast for the 51mm DeLonghi portafilters. Currently, I’m blending a light and dark roast and using 18g, which has been working pretty well. This also allows me to use a puck screen to keep my machine clean. I couldn’t use a puck screen with 18g of dark roast at all.
@@marcbaldwin1887true. What I should have wrote is that darker roast coffees have more caffeine than lighter roasts due to their higher solubility during extraction according to James Hoffman. 👍
Shoutout De Mello, I'd recognize that bag anywhere. Top tier roasters 🤘
Absolutely!
We have a collaboration blend with them :)
Thanks man, this overflowing basket gave me hell
So what will happen if you put 18g in a 20g basket? Does that affect flavor or time? Doesn’t that allow more water in the basket? Newbie here. Thanks
You’ll probably end up with a soupy mushy puck due to the extra headspace. Might encourage some channeling, but not the end of the world
You mean 18 grams of beans is correct but grinding size and roasting profile have to be checked only then proper extraction will be done right...??
18g is a “traditional” dose, but may not fit in every basket with every coffee. Dose correctly for your coffee and basket size, not to 18g just because that’s what everyone says. Recipe can be adjusted accordingly
If your using an Italian machine they only use 7 grams for a single shot or 14
grams for a double shot. They don't use 18 grams. Thats too much coffee. Only Americans do that.
“That’s too much coffee” isn’t a thing. Make coffee however you like it best. There isn’t a “right” way.
This is perhaps the most useless coffee video I've ever seen. You talk about a large number of variables that are almost irrelevant, at the level of consumer that this video is meant for, before finally bringing up the biggest and central issue, which is the size of the basket, which then ties into your sales pitch as you've got sponsored links to these products. Thanks for the clickbait
How on earth are grind size and bean selection irrelevant!?!? Those are the two biggest factors there are…. Looks like Liam might be in a bit over his head
I was wondering why this was happening I’ve been using Starbucks, espresso beans, dark roast. to the point where I got frustrated and stop using the machine.
Those are SUPER dark. Like 14g dose dark
hey, i am looking for a better basket for my sage dual boiler. i got the normcore bottomless portafilter but think the basket of it could be improved. i found the big bang ones. could you please recommend me a matching one or tell me if it will truly make an improvement?
I would recommend anything from IMS or VST
let's go, new video
Anybody have advice on what to do with the overflow coffee grounds?? I hate to throw away the excess but I also don't know if there is a way to preserve the freshness of ground beans or if its even worth storing them for later.
You shouldn't have to throw any out, just grind less :)
That is not an espresso machine and it’s called a portafilter. Also as you show coffee grounds are measured by weight not volume as you contradict yourself.
Hey Joe, and what would you call the thing that goes inside the portafilter??? 😂
Everything he said in this video is accurate. We weigh coffee beans but the baskets are volumetric.
Music was too loud at the end of the video.
I feel like the stock Breville basket is more like a 15-17g basket. I got an 18g IMS and it fits way more of the same grind.
The Breville he’s showing comes with a funnel. No idea why he doesn’t mention it right away.
A funnel does not change the capacity of the basket in any way. But it is very helpful for a cleaner workflow. That however, is a different topic.
Yes, and not every bean and roast needs 18g. Some might just need 16g, or 16.5g or whatever 😊😊
You mention "brew ratio". Is brew ratio the volume of water going through portafiltet?
Brew ratio is the weight of the dose (coffee grounds) vs the weight of the final espresso in the cup.
But what if it fits perfect When its stamped? 🙏🏻 but it overflows, is there an fix to that?
Yup! A dosing funnel
Thanks for this video!!! 👏🏻 Im a beginner and this is a Good information for me
Great vid for me because this is exactly the problem I am having. The beans are actually a very dark roast. I had thought that the 54mm portafilter on my Bambino was basically not fit for purpose, like too small. It's also good to know about deep baskets. Maybe the way forward is a bottomless portafilter and deep basket.
Interestingly, on the single shot basket there is no overflow. But doubling the shot (like on the smart pro grinder) and using the double basket, is causing overflow. Is the double basket not double volume of the single basket?
Generally no. The single baskets are around 9-11g and doubles are 16-18g. So not quite double on these machines at least
@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks for clarifying. I prefer a lighter roast anyway so I'll see how the lighter roast grind looks in the double basket. I've already replaced the fiddly little tamper so don't really now want to go to the expense of buying a new portafilter and basket
How come we can watch hours upon hours of videos, everything gets repeated and still nothing really adds up so we just end up eyeballing it. Then in just under 4 minutes it makes sense. Great video, I've been having good coffee so far, but I've been missing out on great coffee.
Yes, grindsize matters... But! The most important thing is basket diameter and basket height. Don't expect to fit 18 grams of coffee in a standard 51mm (delonghi) basket.
My solution to this is basically just use a bigger portable basket. I’ve found out that 1click difference from my current grinder would choke my machine.
I was just trying to explain this to my friend who is just getting into the idea of buying an espresso machine. I was trying to explain how different brands and different machines have different depth switch the shower screen pokes down into the portafilter basket and that being the headspace being more important than the actual grams of coffee in the basket so to look at it as a volumetric issue not particularly weight-based depending on the roast level of your beans. For example, I consistently dose 18.5 G of Panther 1985 ground through a Niche Zero in my Breville Bambino dual basket with the Breville razor tool just barely grazing top of it and the perfect headspace. Half a gram less and there's always water sitting on top of my puck, anymore and you can see the screw mark from the shower screen in the middle of the puck. The medium roast from Cuvee I had last I could barely get 18 G in the basket cuz the razor tool is always scraping a bit off. I only used that tool as a gauge until I figure out the weight of beans I need when I change beans and it's super handy
When you are talking about 18gm, is this on the double basket or the single?
Double basket
Got the Barista Pro for 2 years now
Dont try to squeeze 18g in your 54mm basket
I usually go for 16g and it tastes 10/10 with a decent coffee.
If you do the math, it's around 15,8g to get the same height of coffee as the 58mm baskets with 18g.
Since you want the equivalent of contact time of water and coffee.
Also remember to never fill the bean basket to the max or they dry out after 2 or more days.
My actual experience is the opposite, Fine grind size creates more volume initially. Coarse grind size will take up less space initially but will take up more volume than fine grind when compacted.
18 grams or 14? Thanks
Watch the video.
Use the correct dose for your basket.
@@LifestyleLab_ Thank you.
measure to taste not what some you tuber says I use dark roast and measure 16.69 and thats perfect for my machine, basket and taste everyone loves it. But I spend a good 3-6 brews to dial that in at first. Before when i had a different grinder and machine it was a different weight and grind size do what works for you.
Thank you so much for this! I've been super confused and this was very straightforward
Something you forgot to mention is that you can get a device to extend the size of the basket. It attaches to the top. This is what I do, but it is only for a tiny bit that goes over the topic.
That is a dosing funnel, it does not change the capacity of the basket, it simply helps with mess when grinding. Can also use a dosing up :) but neither are relevant to this particular topic
@@LifestyleLab_ Oh. I thought it was about ways to make the dosing cleaner, and to fix issues. My mistake.
I also use a magnetic extension ring for the grind to prevent overflow. Tamp it down and done 18g fits fine and no mess. So I guess it is relevant 😊
@dennisfeldman56 Again, it’s a great workflow! But it’s not changing the capacity of the basket
@@LifestyleLab_ agreed. It saves on waste.
i find that just having for example 16g of coffee and 32ml of extraction works just as fine. especially if you worked hard to tune the coffee to how you like it
I have a 15g VST basket for my Breville Oracle but I have to use at least 20g or I get a muddy puck (no matter which grind size or bean I use). Would like a nice puck simply to make the process a bit cleaner.
I’m so glad you forced me to allow you to explain. Never realized using a darker roast sometimes was the issue. Kind of embarrassed I’ve gone this long not knowing…
I keep getting recommend coffee stuff and I don’t even like coffee. But it’s also working because I keep watching
Wait, why the like button glow up when you said “like”.
Probably just RUclips messing around with new features, aha
I usually updose for light roasts due to reason 2. E.g. 20g coffee for the same target ratio&time I’d do for a medium roast. The light roasts retain more water and cellulose that wasn’t roasted out. So updosing ensures consistent total soluble coffee in the portafilter.
It does help if your grinder doesn't go fine enough
@@Cenot4ph sometimes. You can only push extraction so far. People should be thinking in terms of soluble mass, not the mass of the whole bean. Which of course you can’t casually measure, but as general principle, an equal mass of light roast has less solubles to extract than an equal mass of dark roast, because the dark roast is drier and has been partially burned off as CO2.
Great video, thanks!
I mix a dark roasted bean with a medium roasted bean. Weighing 50g of each will show you the difference in density, as the medium contains more moisture and oil. You can then adjust your bean ratio to taste. I only use about 14g of the ground mixture for espresso.
Great video. Thanks
You missed the elephant in the room: baskets have different diameters so hold different amounts of coffee.
Duh!!!
They also have different depths. Smaller diameter baskets are generally deeper to accommodate the same volume as 58mm baskets
@@LifestyleLab_ My 51mm can hold no more than 12gm. DEFINITELY NOT DEEPER.
Watch the video… it may to fit 18g of that SPECIFIC coffee at that specific grind setting. Doesn’t mean it can’t fit 18g
Can you help me. In my breville barista, not enough coffee is coming out from the grinder and i have it in the maximum .
Then you must be grinding VERY very fine. Fine grind settings will take longer to grind than coarse ones
I have the same setting for more than a years, using the same coffee. I use to get 16 to 17g of coffee. In the maximum setting .now the most i get is 12g from the grinder in the maximum knob setting, i made a deep.cleaning tonthe grider and stil getting only 12g. It got me crazy, i don't know what else to do.
I started thinking it my be an internal electric problem in the machine amout know.
Hmm that is odd if your grind setting is correct. I would reach out to Breville directly
What about the portafilter size 58mm vs a 51mm
Volume is volume whether it’s wider and shallower or narrower and deeper, a certain amount of coffee can only fit in it, described by the variables here
18g is too much.... Stop following crazy trends. Double espresso is 13-14gr. Single 7-8gr
The right dose is the right dose for your basket and coffee. You saying 13-14g could be correct in some cases, but also drastically underfill a basket in others. Understand the principles, don’t memorize numbers
@@LifestyleLab_ don't lecture me about basket and coffee.... You may convince your audience someday that perhaps half a gallon of espresso is delicious like a royal bigMac ha... Anyway take care and enjoy the magic of coffee
thx, great info. Didn't know this before ...so there's a weight difference between light and dark roast ;)
Density difference ;)
18g will always be 18g, but 1 basket will not always equal 1 basket
sorry i dont recognise the portafilter in your link could you tell me wich one it is on the linkedpage please?
This was driving me absolutelz crazy. Thanks.
Watch many videos on espresso and this is the first time i have noticed this aspect. Thanks.
Getting a Lelit heat exchange machine forced me to become better at espresso.
I wish I'd seen this video about 5 years ago when I started trying to do espresso. Those narrow 53mm Breville baskets just don't have a lot of room on top for the coffee to pile up.
Something else that's helped me is getting a 53mm catch/dosing cup. I got a lovely one from Crema Coffee that can slide into the grinder and has a tab at the back to push it. It's also a lot easier to balance on a small scale than portafilters.
Granted, it now sits under my Niche Zero, but I think most people buying a breville machine with a built in grinder (like my Barista Express) aren't going to use an external one, at least starting out.
I can ft 22-23g what are you talking about ?
Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video...
@@LifestyleLab_ yesss😁
With a bottomless portafilter, you can easily fit 22g baskets
With a bottomless portafilter you can fit ANY sized basket! I think I’ve seen gag gifts up to like 45g 😂
@@LifestyleLab_ I need to watch the video, I just commented based on the title 😅
Hi, I'm using the Breville BES920 (Dual Boiler), but I'm having trouble consistently extracting 40ml in 35 seconds at 9 bars. The time extends well beyond 35 seconds. If I adjust the grind coarser, the pressure drops.
Is it because my machine's original factory has revised the vibration pump, limiting it to a maximum of 9 bars? What should I do?
You can’t taste pressure. Run the shot how it flows and tastes best for that coffee. 9 bar will be the absolute maximum pressure with a blind basket in place, and flow will then have slightly lower pressure. That’s just physics, check out my video on flow control
Finally!!! This was the simplest explanation I’ve found! Thank you!
Hey! I really enjoy your reviews! Can you please suggest a grinder which can do both drip coffee and espresso? Somewhere in between $250-$500 maybe even I can go for a bit more expensive if there is a good deal, or some grinder that just head and shoulders above the rest
You can consider the Fellow Opus, Baratza Encore ESP, or on the higher end of price point the Turin DF64 Gen2. All great options that can do both filter and espresso quite well
But what to do with the brew ratio? Let's say that coffee A (darker roast) weighs 16g and coffee B (lighter roast) weighs 18g in my basket, would you go for the same yield? If you use a 1:2 ratio that would normally mean that coffee A should have a yield of 32g and coffee B 36g in around 25 seconds. Or would you go for a similar yield for the two coffees?
As always, your yield should be what tastes best for that particular coffee! Yes, if you are going for a 1:2 ratio then you would be aiming for 32 g out of a 16 g dose.
Hi, i am pulling good espresso shots when the inner burr setting of my Breville Barista Pro is at 5 and the knot setting outside is at 6 ~ 7. If I set burr to finer, perhaps a 4, how much would you recommend I up my knot setting? Thanks
Upper Burr vs Outer Dial Grind Setting | Breville Barista
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I was dosing as little as 13g for light roasts before I got my IMS basket for my SBP. It was great but it feels good to do 18g.
Great Video. Thanks for clearing things up!
I had the opposite problem with my Lelit and after tamping it seemed to me that the distance to the brew group was too great, so I switched to an alternative basket with only 16g and now 18g fits better.
Now I know YT is listening in…just got this same machine and was banging my head …saying “there’s no way 18 grams fits in here!” So thank you!🙏
Bless the algorithm
The ratio of 2-1 is what we are after and a standard of 18-36 in 30 seconds has become a norm. We know it can be lesser but why companies are making machines that can't work at the normal rate is beyond me. I then start thinking is it a design over look. Hmmmm.
There is no design oversight, as this video explains, the basket fits a range of weights depending on your coffee. It can’t possibly work for every single one
Thank you for making this video. It all makes that much more sense now. I noticed the difference as soon as I adjusted the grind size.👍🏼
I have the bambino plus, should I change the filter top? Saw on Amazon ims one, don’t know if it makes flavor better…
Take a look at this :)
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My goodness where were you a year ago to explain this so simply! Thank you