Energy Vault -BUSTED!
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- The Battleship Yamato:
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you totally missed the 5MW power of this thing. youd need one of these PER WINDTURBINE, damnyum
At 20 MWh, that would only be 4 hrs of storage as well. Given that even in the highest quality wind locations, wind can have lulls were the turbine produces less than 10% for 5 days or more - the single 5 MW turbine would need 25-30 energy storage towers to cover such periods.
@@tom_ad9343 think it was 70MWh? not that it would change the conclusion. probably a lot cheaper to overbuild power by 10x than this storage :P (or yknow gas backup)
@@sudazima 2/3rd of the cost of electricity is the transmission and distribution system (i.e. grid costs), any overbuild of capacity would require a similar overbuild of the grid to support it. It's cheaper to just build nuclear plants next to load centers (i.e. cities) by 1x and buffer them with pump hydro.
@@tom_ad9343 4 hours is long enough to bring some coal/oil plants up to steam. They're not very efficient, but they're good enough to take up the slack for a while until either the wind picks up or bring a more efficient plant up to steam.
4 hours of storage for a wind farm is good enough. Well, it would be if the cost were comparable to pumped storage. 4 hours for a turbine in a wind farm is nowhere near good enough, especially when it's a lot more expensive than pumped storage.
@@bdf2718 Maintaining an entire fleet of coal/oil/gas plants, and having them idle on standby "waiting" to take up the slack is not economically viable. And whether it's a single turbine, a large farm, a whole country, or the whole of western Europe, 4 hrs is not enough.
Just cover the bricks with solar panels. Double infinite energy!
Bottom side of bricks and the road below!
And put waterseers inside the bricks as the concrete will always be cold in the inside, therefore infinite water source, bam.
and make mexico pay for it!
And brick made of throrium !
Snorlax priceless!!!
Its 50% cheaper then other animated bricks :)
with the all new free Blender 2.8 3D content-creation software
. yes, now anyone can save the world in their own youtube video
@@JONOVID dont tempt me
Cobblestone is more abundant... at least in my inventory....
@@tastyloaf5487 you don't have to smelt it or get silk touch
Lols 😅
Esp. impressive how they tied up the barrels so the tower won´t collapse.
Can´t wait to see how they "solve" the instability problem with a hundret meter high concret tower...
Its an animation! Look at it!! Its perfect! Just gimme the moneyz
@Lassi Kinnunen off the top of my head the energy loss is about 15%. not covered by public education.
LEGO
The only way to solve it is LEGO
The blocks are going to turn into massive donuts. Lifted to slide into place around giant central spires that suck the released energy up, this marvel will look like a giant set of Towers of Hanoi.
All they need is a layer of reusable chewing gum between each brick. instability problem "Solved".
Wait, wait, wait... they can build bricks 50% cheaper than anyone else?
They should concentrate on that, they'll make millions!
The "bricks" are made from recycled concrete, they're not suitable for construction
@@michaelndebbie Yet they want to dynamically construct towers with them on demand?
@@michaelndebbie Somehow they have overcomed the limitations of the recycled concrete blocs and want to build a stackable tower with them.
First thing I thought, a construction crane. Forget the power
Wooaao your right! Free masons watch out, youve got competition XD
You're wrong! Water doesn't fall from the sky, it condenses in dehumidifiers!
Amusingly, this is not an inaccurate description of how percipitation works. Rain falls when either the temperature drops below the dew point, or pressure builds and raises the dew point with it.
it's not a dehumidifier ffs ! it's a water from air machine ! Get it right
Well then why did I get wet yesterday waiting for the mail? There were no leaks from the dehumidifier either which gets dumped twice a day.
I have an idea for a new energy storage system. You boil water and then recondense it in waterseers on higher elevation. Best efficiency ever.
@@mathis8210 Combine it with a vertical hyperloop and you have a vacuum still.
Why not reconstruct the battleship Yamato and then use cranes to raise and lower it for energy storage?
Make sure to vacuum-proof it in case the Earth gets irradiated, so we can live on it in space.
*perfect*
😆
Wanna know the saddest part about this stupid statement? Its actually *an better idea* ... since you can drop the Yamato into water and dont have to be pin point accurate. Also you move just one object vs thousands... and so on and so forth
@@FizzleFX LOL it's a sad thing when an idiotic idea, said in fun, is fare better then the "cutting edge" idea that people have paid for:-)
so now combining a crane with rock is sellable.
Cranes are incredibly inefficient.
Lol really I thought they used pulleys and shit to get engineering advantages
I was shouting bullshit at the supposed efficiency.
Then again, we know these tossers don't even bother to do back of a cig packet calc's, never mind actually look into anything. They make the shit up wholesale. First priority is some shmoozy marketing bollocks, a virtually empty, vacuous website, and of course a fancy animation and some graphics.
Then it's time to bumswizzle the gullible fucks of thier cash.
@@martingrundy5475 That's the problem. So few people smoke these days. No cig packets to do rough calculations on.
@@bdf2718 That's a trivial problem. Use waiters' pads instead. The numbers absolutely *fly* on those, allowing calculations beyond the reach of ordinary computers.
@@martingrundy5475 I don't need the back of a cig packet to compute mgh. Fits in my brain entirely. Admittedly I am a trained and certified physicist.
There's a saying in engineering, "The more complicated the machine is, the more expensively inefficient it becomes."
So this is why an electric clothes dryer costs $500 but a 50" TV only costs $300.
Because with a TV, there's no moving parts, but with a dryer, that's basically all it is.
@@wesleymays1931 uh I dont think he meant in terms of money, i think he meant in terms of energy. For example, I have 2 batteries and I want to output some energy. If i were to use a 50% effecient cicuit, i would get 1 battery worth of energy from 2. The thing is, when you are converting 1 form of energy to another, some goes into other forms and a little into entropy ( energy which is forever unusable ). Like A cicuit which just lights a bulb using batteries would not only emit light, but it would emite some heat, magnetic waves etc
@@ftlflmtld192 Right. That's what 'efficiency' tends to mean in this context. I decided to just go ahead and name a few ideas to bring down the price, make the bricks more stable, and simplify the machinery (especially the conical-nub LEGO stacking, the crane(s) don't need to be nearly as precise)
I agree that this idea is ludicrous and pumped hydro looks much better. What's the solution in a place that doesn't have access to a lot of water? I.e., solar farm in the desert. Doesn't seem like lithium ion batteries are really capable of operating at those large scales either.
@@mr.motyer600 A solar farm that pumps electrical energy into lithium batteries is far more efficient than the tower thing here. More energy is captured and stored because it has less parts to move about which causes potential more energy to be lost.
The dumb tower thing has TONS of moving parts to complete it's motions. That's a great deal of potential energy lost due to it converting some of that to heat and what not. Not to mention maintaining big cost.
The point is to capture and store as much energy as possible without losing as much. That's why a dam, solar panels, wind turbines, etc, are far more efficient than this.
I HAVE A BRILLIANT IDEA
cover the bricks with solar panels
Or how about making the bricks hollow and fill them with water too!
@@ZacLowing water from water seers.
We can lay the bricks down to create a road full of solar panels.
Now THIS is a circular economy
We can transfer that energy around the globe using iOnizInG raDIatIon!!!!1!!11111
They could fill the bricks with water from Fontus bottles! Cost problem solved
And power the crane via solar roadways. Because all of these concepts will make the world “great” again
Free lunch confirmed!
@@Bansky85 And then they could use the stored power to power the hyperloop!
TF is being stupid here. They say the thing is going to be made from rocks, not concrete. It's a dumb idea and likely a scam, but he still fucked that point up.
Actually if those water seer/fontus, etc things actually worked they could solve power problems! I mean if they pull gallons of water out of the air on a dialy basis, even in a desert like they claim they could constantly fill up the tanks of a water pump power plant!
Literally any kickstarter: "Hey. We have develo-"
_BUSTED_
_Thunderf00t_
_3 minutes ago_
I got to get my kickstarter up just to have thunderfoot bust it!
My project is to hook up thousands of people and use theirs bioelectric field to power the planet. It will have different tower where baby, teens, adult and old people in different sections and will be locate in some 3rd world countries where I don't have to worry about human's rights.
If he only would stop inflating numbers with saying stuff like "quarter of a million" or "half of a million"... its 250.000 SAY IT LIKE THAT.
Look up Gravitricity
Well, the invention-based ones, anyway. :v
This is so inefficient.
My model wraps a giant cable around the equator, and uses Coriolis effects to strip the cable back out, like a giant gyroscope launching...150% efficient.
Yeah man, Not even the law of thermodynamics can stop you!!
/s
"How to make money in 2019, make up a project and make a flashy presentation with animations and bam instant moneys"
It's not flashy or anything close to that. You on the other hand are doing that for the people who made this video.
Mlst people now are stupid enough to invest too and when you invest there is chance of loss so their money is as good as gone
@@RUclipsforcedmetochangemyname Not gone, just in someone else's pocket. You know, like where a politician's hands would be.
It's been that way for a long time, just have websites dedicated to it now.
Yeah unfortunately gullibility appears to be our most abundant resource these days. We need to make skepticism great again.
And don't forget the life cycle of the lifting wire ropes.
And the pulleys they are running through.
As well as the lubricating oil on said cable (recalling the Superman ride at Six Flags Kentucky which had a 14 year old girl say goodbye to her legs).
and the little bit of breeze that can reduce accuracy of placing the bricks
and the hooks assuming they will use hooks, though I don't see how else this could work. You can't use straps or anything that needs to go under the bricks since it's self loading. It's just a stupid idea.
@@tarstarkusz either hooks or vice grip type things.
"a cubic meter of water"
Hey there's that cubic meter girl again. Right on schedule.
Thunderf00t has a crush on her I reckon.
But he doesn't crush on her as hard as the card-crusher crushes cards.
TF, lock this young woman out from your basement!
If she was a cubic metre she would weigh about 1000 kg.
Don’t forget the Yamato!
y'know, some time back, I, a high school dropout, tried thinking about energy generation.
I knew that one of the more common methods is converting kinetic energy into electric energy by way of turning a motor.
so i knew I needed a kinetic force to turn this motor, and thinking about it for a while, I thought about using gravity to turn this motor. It is, roughly speaking, a kinetic force applied to everything, pushing it all down onto the earth.
but obviously, it's not as if there was such a thing as a gravity-mill, so the way to harness gravity for energy generation was to apply gravity to a physical object by basically dropping it, and then catching the kinetic energy of the dropping object and apply it to a motor. And wouldn't ya have thunk it, the rough idea I had was basically this energy vault thing. Take something heavy, tie a cable to it, hook the cable to a motor, drop the heavy object off a tall height. Boom.
But, well, though I can't do math, I knew that at some point, that heavy object would need to be moved back on top of the system to keep the whole thing going, and moving that object was going to cost energy, and the energy spent getting this object to the top of the system to drop it might not make the energy generated from dropping back down, y'know, worth it.
I thought about it for a few more seconds before practically slapping myself on the forehead when I realized: electric dams. water goes down through system, water evaporates into sky and rains back down on top of system, repeat.
Water dams already do this, and a lot better, too. I laughed at myself for not thinking about it before, then went about my day doing whatever it was I was doing at the time.
Totally. But there are small scale situations, where generation by gravity makes sense. Maybe your grandparents had one of those standing clocks, where the weights had to be lifted once a day or so.
I have seen a similar mechanism for a lamp, that was designed for very remote villages in developing countries, where there is no electrical grid in place. The user can hook something heavy onto a string - like say a bag of rice - and lift it every hour or half hour with his muscle energy. Through a lot of cogs the "fall" of the bag is slowed and energy is generated to power a single light bulb. So the kids in these remote villages can do their school work in the evening.
It is nothing like the crane, because it actually works and knows its limitations. Plus it fills a need that didn't already have a solution.
@@RB-nt6zx I mean the main benefit there though is the fact you don’t have to build power lines or bring batteries somewhere. You don’t really need any infrastructure besides the actual light and a dude there.
Yes but you are smart, you right away realize that it is not logical and that we already have pumped storage, but this one and many other ones are just marketing people that want investment money. Pumped storage in colder climate with a lot of rainfall has a free energy benefit from rainwater in the upper reservoir, I just realize that. probably just only a small benefit. However the problem with pumped storage is that the Netherlands is all flat land and that a man made structure would be way to expensive.
this is now a 1.7bn company, crazy market lol
Absolutely awesome comment 👍 people like you give me hope that the whole world hasn't gone mad and that there are sane people out there who think up these things but have the sense grasp on reality to not go trying to scam money to reinvent the wheel. You sound like a decent bloke 👍 all the best from 🇮🇪
I love how you Shit on solar roads every chance you get. It's been the best running meme
To be fair, solar roads is such a shitty idea it needs a sewage treatment plant.
@Johan Svensson Only after those who still propagate that idea stop first
@@iglidor I agree, misinformation should be whacked down mercilessly as much as needed. Us having fun with it is just a plus.
but its solar frigging roadways lol
Really? Because it's really obnoxious to me. Like I get it, you've debunked some shit, you don't need to make half the video references to other videos.
Self-healing water! Genius! You can sell that for $10 a bottle.
I have something better this water from the edge of the world is going to prove to all those non-fatearthers that the earth is indeed flat for how else could I have gotten it from the edge of the world?
It tastes kind of salty though.
Needs more solar cells.
call it Dihydrogen Monoxide - nuclear de-aging cream.
Water is already $10 a bottle.
Lol. Used Bathwater sells for 3 times that.
Hook up a generator to Boltzmann's corpse and play these ads on repeat. Infinite energy from him turning in his grave.
LOL!
That's the funniest shit I've read all year. Hat off to you.
Best comment ever
I'm pretty sure he'd stick out his arms just to make sure that thermodynamics wasn't violated.
Fun thing: when they made the 3 barrels high stack they had to chain the barrels to one another to avoid the whole thing to break down.
I found free energy, get other people to pay my energy bills.
More plausible than Elons Musk Semi Truck
Underrated
Why not just build it in a tunnel to protect from wind? Or even better inside a hyperloop.
Andrew Wilkinson na... you want to hook it on an asteroid.
Or just inside a building. Or in an underground vault.
Tunnels run sidewise you need to dig it into a hole, and use thorium blocks because they will be denser and weight more meaning more energy storage per block,
You need to run it on 12 grams of thorium, because it's heavier than 12 grams of concrete :^)
Step 1: Solar FREAKIN Roadways
Step 2: use to power dehu... Waterseer
Step 3: use water to fill barrels
Step 4: stack barrels into a large tower
Step 5: Profit
You forgot the underpants.
ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED!
Genius. Sheer genius.
Step 4.5: Attach large tower to a floating asteroid orbiting Earth.
Use solar freakin roadways power to evaporate water that will be condensed on a huge metal plate in the sky (levitated with Hendo technology, just 13 dollars and 10 cents given the plate is as big as a house) then drop the water on a turbine in Africa and boom, energy storage + free , clean , fresh water from the air so the women and children don't have to walk 30 miles carrying jugs on their heads through the desert being attacked by scorpions just to get to a murky puddle and get cholera. You won't get away this time Nobel Prize!!
Did I just watch a 20 min long ad for a Yamato battleship model?
Yes
yes ! thunderf00T....BUSTED
a very sophisticated ad indeed
Anyone else notice how their amazing proof of concept involved the barrels being lashed together to ensure they didn't blow over from being 30 feet high?
It's called a prototype of a concept of a prototype of a working scale model of a proof of concept...
What... ??
@@rustycherkas8229 They had to tie the barrels together, which they cannot do in their supposed design. They tied them together because the barrels would fall over. The entire system doesn’t work.
@@Mortomi
Oh, the system works quite well, thank you very much... Scammers riding the wave of desperation that seeks energy solutions. They're happy to spend millions (and pay themselves handsomely) out of investors' pockets who want to appear "green", encouraged by governments offering 150% tax credit for money spent on "green energy" solutions (whether the solutions perform or not.)
It's just a pity that no one will be called to account for this waste...
1919: "I bet we'll have fusion generators in the future"
2019: "Boulder go up, less power, boulder fall down, more power"
Fusion wasn’t even a concept in 1919.
@@DrewLSsix hmm its almost as if I was joking
when was 1000leauged under SEA written ..yes
Some sort of propultion or energi fusion was sort of
1919 fusion energy IT was in the books ..
Sifi books anyway
They didn't even discover the neutron until 1932, stupid. They had only just discovered radioactivity by the early 20th century, they had no concept of fusion generators or even binding energy. Should have said 1959 instead.
@@medexamtoolscom hey hey Jules Verne had IT as SiFi 1869
Tried "hand"... I'm in intensive care now with gunshot wounds, must have misunderstood instructions...
It's a scam!
this is far from cutting edge. It is ancient technology, remember how old clocks were powered? Big heavy weights!
And ships were wind powered.
Oh my God you're right. We're going backwards.
Oh my, I didn’t think about this. This is the coo coo clock of energy storage!
@@GamingWithNikolas I can't wait for the campaign for storing energy by converting it into combustible hydrocarbons.
This energy storage system is already in use. Old mine shafts and 50 tonnes weights.
Height about 500m drop.
But it's expensive and water is still better if you have the geography for it.
@9:55 not to mention they had to lash all those barrels together! Why do you suppose that was?
Because they're not custom, inexpensive bricks duh
they don't have their super special software yet :P
Because SHUT UP! That's why. LOL
I saw that. glad you noticed too.
Why not power a wind turbine with a fan? Perpetual. Motion. Solved.
Ken Ham says that his jewish god solves the 2nd law of thermodynamics problem. That god is a perpetual motion machine.
this is power storage. not generatition. unused power from the wind brings the bricks up. the bricks going down generates the power when there is no wind.
But some politician said that turbines use up the wind? Or was that solar panels use up the sun?
I hope your trying g to be funny , not laughing
@Brer Rabbit Pornhub already did that uh "wankband" bracelet like..I wanna say 4 years ago?
The foundations for this tower would have to withstand 700+ tons/sq mt, about twice that of the Empire State Building, no one is costing that, and is it possible?
That is in fact easily possible, expensive but possible.
Yea I mentioned that as well the foundation nessary for this thing will be enormouse, probably requiring as much cement as the tower itself.
Yes it is possible but you want it on bedrock if at all possible. Hard soil would allow for a tower about 150' high. You would have to reinforce the ground in different locations. You would also expect some settlement even with hard soil but that wouldn't be too much of an issue.
That's about 7MPa and classic drymix concrete is good to 20MPa, special ones to 40.
The true problem, as it was mentioned, would be the soil underneath the foundations.
Not if the blocks are "50% cheaper". And not if they're missing any sort of steel support.
Crazy man moves around canned beans while making crane sounds... LOOK AT THE PROVEN CONCEPT!
I'm 100% sure its a corn tho
Just sayin
@@Angel2kinds yellow beans
Crazy Florida man turns beans into corn
At least the crane sounds were on point!
The one part of the video I'm sure he enjoyed the most in making
50% cheaper is an understatement - in fact, it's 100% cheaper to draw a cartoon brick than cast a real one. Plus, a cartoon brick doesn't need any rebar to withstand the tensile stress of being lifted by the top, like a real brick undoubtedly would.
Actually, the energy consumed to animate a brick using a computer is probably quite comparable, if not more, than it is to create a single brick. Depending of course on just how detailed the rendition is, and how long the animation lasts.
Last time I checked animators don't work for free...
@@vampiresRsolame "We'll pay you with EXPOSURE!"
(Meaning you die on a desert island.)
So they've basically invented super-expensive Tetris...
It's the cost of licensing the song that'll put them out if business. 😹
My lord. If I had a nickel for every time Thundie said “water”, I could retire *and* fund technology ten times better than the scams he debunks.
You mean "wooaaahtah"
Awksogyn
I like how the barrels in their test rig were mostly braced manually with strapping to prevent it from falling over. Is that the plan for something 100x more complex and bigger? Lol
I wonder how many times they knocked that pile over before saying fuck it and just strapping the barrels together.
also stacking might not be the brightest of Arrangements. having two wide foundations with different altitude that store the bricks in a wide pattern would be safer.
and then you could replace the concrete with dihydrogen monoxide anyway.
dihydrogen monoxide, the chemical in Chemtrails.
@@ulrichkalber9039 You will now get a visit from the guys in gray suits. You let out the secret of what Chemtrails are.
O well have i got a power point for you!
@@noname-wo9yyMaybe we can extract the power out of powerpoints
A Swiss startup? Oof! Right in my pride as a Switzer.
I shall call the police on them for being criminally stupid.
I'm not familiar with Swiss law. Can you really do that?
No, being stupid isn't something you can call the police for. But it's a bit of a stereotype that the Swiss will call the police over little things. Like if you hear the neighbor make some noise after 10pm.
I know how you feel. Good thing it hasn't caught any mainstream press or government support.
@@Maddin1313 Vazz?! Noize after zhen? Vhat kind of lunatic vould even do zuch a thing?
@@TheTechiemoses no, most people would be in jail otherwise :D
That girl in the cube was in my math text book in the mid 80' . She must be around 60 today.
And should be getting residuals from TF.
Check your math - more like around 40 if it's a 1980s textbook.
@@TrevorKeenAnimation Doesn't seem like she was 0 years old at the time of the shooting.
@@Aki-to No - she looks 8 or 9. Someone born in 1980 would obviously be 9 in 1989 and 39 today.
@@TrevorKeenAnimation I remembered the wrong things from algebra.
I think the analysis of the energy vaults flaws was spot on, but it was a bit unfair to compare it to pump storage. Pump storage has some serious issues as well. It is not practical everywhere, requires massive amounts of land, with a significant elevation difference. And potentially has massive ecological impact even when it meets those conditions. So we do need some alternatives to pump storage for managing energy storage, and they are likely to cost significantly more the pump storage.
Look no further than molten salt storage for solar thermal, its already being implemented and the salt heat storage can be concentrated in a small volume - only limited by the boiling point under pressure.
Better yet use the molten salt to transfer heat and turn an electric power generator, see “LFTR’s in 5 minutes”
He never said pump storage has no issues
@@user-zb8tq5pr4x and OP never said that he said that pump storage has no issues
Oh FFS, he was comparing it with pumped storage as if pumped storage didn't have the same issues. News flash: It does. Oh sorry wait, no: they don't use concrete to build dams...
@@neldanie That's the dumbest comment i've ever read, concrete in dams doesn't undergo nearly the same stresses as it would in that dumbass tower, concrete is a strong building material and when it's in contact with only water, it lasts many decades, but in that tower it would get bumped every day by other 100s of kilos heavy blocks, how long do you think that'll last?
Whoever makes these 3d renders has got to be rolling in the money lately.
A Thunderf00t video a day, keeps the scammers at bay.
Misaka Mikoto / I didn’t expect best girl to be watching Thunderf00t
@@-caesarian-6078 After all Misaka come from A Certain Scientific Railgun :D I really love science/technology channels!
except the would be scammed continue to put their money on bs kick starters
@@rickjames5998 bust upper is a scam!
@@-caesarian-6078 I didn't expect any girl at all to be. But she'll probably be blocked before long.
Thunderf00t, where can I buy "Hand?” I’ll sell my soul for it!
Enter the matrix and talk to the oracle, maybe you are the one
I'll sell you a foot ..
I think Soul may be required to use Hand, but you do you
I have hand for sale if yr interested
.. send me money and i will send you hand
It'll cost you arm and leg
9:35 is just a fine showcase of how gifted thunderfoot is. Those electronic crane sounds were awesome.
|-O-|
Efficiency is for losers tbh. We should replace all our modern energy generation equipment with hit and miss engines, and beam engines.
Hero's steam engine FTW!
Fuck it, go all the way back to the atmospheric steam engines of Thomas Newcomen. Some of them that James Watt improved were breaking one percent efficient, dont'cha know.
@@AlexBarbu Think about what an oil pump jack is. That comes close to a beam engine. Although NASA has used a LASER beam engine in testing which is an all together different story.
Let's do a napkin math: Energy = mass * height * gravity constant. So 1000kg (1 ton) lifted up by 100m stores 1MJ of energy. Now we need this energy back. Power = energy / time. So if we drop this 1 ton block within 100 seconds we can get 10kW of power. Assuming perfect efficiency. That's... 5 electric hot pots. Or 3 electric ovens. This whole tower won't be able to power more than 5 houses at the same time. Awesome idea. Not.
You can build hundreds of these towers though..
@@xnoreq for bilion $ xD
I will develop a concept where the towers or individual blocks are the houses... a couple of times a day you will be able to come and go, if you are a moment late, you'll be sleeping in the neighboring block.
I will mock up some animations now and sell the idea to them for I don't know, 100M dollars?
For a premium I could even guarantee a top floor house and possibly include your own private mechanism to come and go as you please...
Huge overlooked problem in my opinion, the energy output will be limited by how fast the crane can let the weight fall down, too fast you will destroy the entire system, unless you deaccelerate the blocks before they hit the ground, with will use a ton of energy, slow enough to not damage the system and that thing will have the power output of a small diesel generator. Such a bad idea in so many levels.
Can't find your kickstarter page for HAND. Have you got a link?
I can give you hand for free
🤚
@@corngrohlio I have a wife for that but, thanks for the offer.
what about the golden hammer?
9:24 The first question that pops to mind when you see this part of the footage might be: "Why exactly are the barrels at the bottom tethered together? That seems counterproductive."
So what happens during an earthquake? The biggest game of Jenga?
You build them in areas without earthquakes like Florida. Problem solved.
@@wickedguppy3715 Until a hurricane comes :)
@@wickedguppy3715Guppy of course! and since the concrete is waterproof, it will stand in the storm! /sarcasm
@@wickedguppy3715 They want to build them in windy areas, do you think they would have the brains not to build them in southern California?
No. Their Special Super Software is desiged to prevent bad things from happening.
Wait, I can fix this. What if we put it underground to avoid the wind? And instead of lots of bricks, why don't we just use one big block?
Wait, that might be too heavy to lift. Unless it's hollow! And we can fill it with water at the top!
But where do we store the water once it's at the bottom...?
I've got it! Put a reservoir at the top and pump the water into it.
I think I'm on to something here.
It would probably be more efficient with one large block, but with many, there's a chance of storing "juice" from one source whilst doling it out to another.
why not use pumps like the panama canal to lift the blocks, then use the weight of the blocks to make energy- like a car engine- alternately but with loss of energy of course.
Lmao. Love it.
Why aren't we using the energy needed to operate the cranes to instead just move wind turbines for free energy?
Okay okay, look someone already came up with this irl but here I go.
Lets put it underground like Barry said and also make it one brick. Then what if we had the crane engine at ground and had several of them hooked to that one brick. How it operates it brings the brick up during surplus hours, storing potential energy. Lower it to get energy back...
Clearly, the solution is:
Gravity storage with depleted uranium. High density, extremely cheap.
How about a Nuclear ractor
I Read there is a ton of old rusian submarine reactors in sibiria. Whould work as well :D
Pumped hydro is old hat. Lets try pumped yellowcake slurry.
@@Meanie010 WE could make even more energy, drops neutron emitting ball to bottom of pit
It would never freeze!
Your point about the wind is good. This was one of the first thoughts that I had when looking at the design. Automated crane control would probably be able to overcome some of the effects of the wind, but there will definitely be a wind speed limit over which the battery will need to shut down. Not good : )
An unsecured tower of bricks, what could possibly go wrong...🙄
Instead of messing around with cranes, they could just jack all the blocks up - that would increase the delta.
Still utterly pointless, it would make more sense pump water to the tops of tall buildings and use that to drive small turbines. Hell, you could even use that to charge electric vehicles.
That would be a hydraulic accumulator... which is an old idea (but one that worked tbh... even when the wind was blowing)
hey thunder foot could you make a video about thorium/ molten salt nuclear generator ??
that is a very interesting topic
But that would be actually feasible...
@@1nf0calypse Could*. There's a very important difference between would and could
conspiracies, governments, nuclear weapons, thorium conventions, DVDs, upcoming research
as feasible as solar roadways
Is a Thorium reactor feasible or not? I know the car is stupid but I was under the impression they had a working reactor in the fifties but chose uranium for bombs. Is this true?
@@franconnorton7087 last I heard the Chinese were building a prototype reactor. Seems to have gone very quite though.
“It’s called...water” and that’s the Thunderf00t I remember
Thats actually one of his few times he got something wrong. Yes using water with pump storage to store energy is the best available method, BUT pump storage relies on very specific geographical situations and these arent around everywhere. You need access to lots of water, a height difference and ideally a pre existing lake of some mountain side valley. At least here in Germany we have a very big issue at finding spots for Pump storage. Or imagine a desert that could produce lots of renewable energy but without water or mountains couldnt build pump storage.
Wortuh*
Thunderf00t must have a heavy equipment ticket the way he operated that canned corn crane. Honestly though he really really knows how to make somebody feel dumb in style. Fucking excellent, definitely binge worthy content for sure.
Of course hands can stop bullets. They just need to not pull the trigger.
Of course hands can stop bullets. They just have to be in their path!!!
Pretty sure hands (maybe plural) can stop my little .25 ACP...haha! I gotta bitch-pistol...
Never too soon. If somebody can control these bullets..
you just need enough hands
*inhales*
That's like... deep man
*puffs out smoke*
Energy Freakin' Vaults.
It has a nice ring to it.
Vacuum Energy Freakin' Hypervaults
Is this the next Fallout game...?
Crowdfunding scams. Crowdfunding scams never changes.
The hallmark of virtually all pseudo scientific scams is the computer generated animation.
should be on a t-shirt
being creative isn‘t the essence of mathematics. it‘s finding the toughest possible constraints that still allow you to get creative. unconstrained creativity is called art. being a designer doesn‘t make you an engineer.
The constraints are what make art.
I have a brilliant idea. Store energy in electric airplanes.
Imagine a 30000-foot tall dam? The planes can climb to 30000 feet without a pilot, then land without a pilot, with a large fraction of their initial charge left due to using their propellers as wind turbines. Massive amounts of energy to anywhere on demand.
PS: The Green Power actually is generated by the Green Pyramids, so no problem there....... !
Imagine waking up one morning to see thunderfoot bustted your idea ...
Concrete is a huge producer of co2. If you are trying to reduce co2 output, building lots of pointless concrete bricks is not the way to do it.
9:31
Local scientist goes insane after excessive debunking
Laughed for 5 minutes straight 😂
Much love for sapiens
I'll give 'em this: The crane idea looks way cooler than pump storage.
Well that's the idea make it shiny and everyone gives you their money.
Dont feed the trolls
Well, Lego technic plus Arduino and YOU can own one yourself for just 999,999.99 call NOW
the problem is you cant build a waterstorage everywhere, thats why we are in desperate need of alternatives. In germany we could only store a fraction of our energy in pump water storages.
you can't build reservoirs?
This is something the Romans had in the bag 2500 years ago. Hell, the Phonecians mastered pumped storage hundreds of years before that.
@@BlokeOnAMotorbike ? I didn't say you cant build them. i said you cant build them EVERYWHERE. You need sufficient height and volume to make the storage economically viable. Don't tell me some roman bullshit if you have no proper information about the topic.
German Scientists in favor of Renewables state clearly that we will only be able to build a couple of more storage in the alps, that would be insufficient in total and a problem for northern germany.
For Switzerland it will be obviously no problem to build enough storages.
That does not mean that we do not have other readily available technologies to solve the battery problem, but pumpstorage is definitely not the complete solution. it is one of the backbone technologies, but not sufficient.
Please do your research next time before ranting stuff that you have no knowledge about. its annoying
@@BlokeOnAMotorbike if you just follow Thunderfoots rant without thinking critically yourself, you are no bit better than solar freeking roadways.
I understand the problem, but definitely this is not a solution, its just a waste of money and time.
Jim Moore trying to flex on Germans using an insult. 😂 chances are most of your tech came from a German
you just wanted to show off your ships, didn't you? ;)
Not to mention all that lateral movement is wasting SO much mechanical/electrical energy.
that's what I was thinking about
Not really
There is going to be some wasted energy in the steel cables to. More than you'd think. Plus how precisely do they think they can get electric motors to lift the blocks with all the switchgear to be better than 90% efficient? They would have to actually be better than 95% efficient to account for the other losses and that is not going to happen.
@@gordonlawrence4749 :
I'm not sure about the cables. The cables would touch pullies and there would be loss of energy as noise and heat. There would be friction with air as well but I presume that it is a very small loss.
The cable would be pulled by the weights. Think of them as long rubber bands. So, there would be some loss as heat there as well as they lift and put down a weight.
@@louistournas120I know cables on carriers get too hot to touch where they go round pulleys under load but that is partly internal friction etc. It would be interesting to find out if anyone has some numbers.
People in Germany are fighting against wind turbines in their neighbourhood's, because they destroy the view on the landscape.
I think if you would build something like this in their neighbourhood, they would freaking out.
Just build it in the "pott" l, light it up colourfully at night and call it industrial art. Then people will love it...
@@borstenpinsel Even artsy fartsy freaks like me have our limits!
I live in Tehachapi. They ARE in my neighborhood ! If they kill more ravens, that would be a good thing.
NIMBYs gonna nim
"It works when it's windy, it works when it's wet."
It works *slightly better* in the rain, lol.
Moving back and forth, is free now🥳🤩👍
I remind a similar approach with oversea containers and guess what, the moving eat so much energy, it wasn’t worth the effort💩
Those barrels were tied together.
Guess someone has to tie the blocks when thing get real.
That kinda proves that at a bigger scale that it gonna work way worse or is gonna cost way more money
ít's done by the extremely sophisticated algorithm
Anton Petrov posted a news video on the energy vault. Apparently they finished building a prototype in Switzerland. Maybe Thunderfoot should post an update?
@@balaurian83 then he should point it out
That's a corny experiment!
Thank you thank you.🤣
A-maize-ing puns here, folks.
If science dosent work out you can always be an online corn star. 🇨🇦🤣
I thought the barrel proof of concept was perfect.
They demonstrated that it wasn't going to work.
Aside, surprised you don't point out that maybe building a wall infront of your wind farms might reduce their efficency a little.
Also lower barrels are strapped together to keep it stable, thing they can't do in 'real' thing. Stacking these blocks up to 100 meters without crashing this tower spectacularly is challenge by itself. Also, they need very good foundation so all these 70 000 tons don't tilt the ground even the slightest.
oh no trump can build a hyper energy vault wall to keep the mexies out and they'll pay for it!
Oh you mock the Yamato now... but wait until they perfect wave motion technology!
Surf Wisely.
Nah, screw the wave motion tech, I'd be more worried about those gravity cannons. Especially the ones that can fit inside submarines.
Now im curious tho: what do you think about the big cube buolding from the same company (EVX? EV1?), which is the same stuff but
- closed (a building)
- maybe underground
- with no cranes but rails and gantry carriages?
I mean it sucks, but imho SOLID gravity storage (not like this, but somehow) is very much part of the way forward.
Also, what are your toughts on the damage of pumped hydro? You dont just "build a dam everywhere", it displaces people, might create landslides and the world is full of diasters created by hydro (hydro or pumped hydro nvm, by artificial lakes)
I saw something about this not long ago... The 'building' is a latticework of steel and not 100m tall. Since the low height differential removes storage capacity, the blocks will need to be shifted laterally so far as to chew through even more energy (reducing efficiency). And, one has to ask why no one thinks to build a steel lacework structure capable of supporting a battleship 30m off the ground.
Having 'light weight roads' is very important to me.
For too long have roads been too heavy and unwieldy and led to places you don't want to go! With our light weight road technology, you can simply lift them and redirect them to your favorite destinations!
No you don’t understand! They said FREE! I said free energy! How could you be against this?
That couldn't be a model of the Yamato, it didn't have a "Wave Motion Gun" in the bow of the ship.
It may have not done much in WW2, but it kicked alien butt.
You are confusing wet navy with space navy.
@@earnestbrown6524 The USS Missouri did both.
2:40 poor little guy almost made me choke on my food laughing
I've been using "hand" every single day and i'm very satisfied ;)
it's not stopping any bullets though... :(
I betcha its shooting just fine though. 😝
My hand is working fine...
But God am I lonely.
Good, cause bullet lives matter! How dare hand try to stop them.
Stopping babies more than bullets
Tissue manufacturers love Hand.
Some criticisms:
"You haven't built it yet" was your first joke. You went pretty deep into making fun of them for that too. This isn't an amazing argument against the concept, and it buries your better arguments.
This video is about twice as long as it should've been. You made all the major points in that time.
Right after that you went on an intermission about all of the other products you've busted. You've been doing this for a while in these types of videos, and it's really been old, since you've done the same intermission in all those other videos. I've seen all those videos, and I haven't had amnesia since. Why do you keep reminding me?
The approximated math you did seemed unnecessary this time around. It's not like it's an impossible idea. We could probably do it that way if we wanted too. It's just a worse idea than what we currently do, and it's not even conceptually different from what we currently do. I think you covered that in your points from the first half.
I think it's valid to criticise them for not having a scaled down pilot plant before asking for backing - the oil drum and crane demo doesn't really count.
I agree with most of these criticisms.
this would not be very effective at storing energy since it needs to lift the crane again before it can drop another "brick".
Coming back to this video almost a year later, I have a new appreciation for the tidbits about the Yamato. Thanks entirely to Drachinifel here on RUclips. He has videos on "Operation Ten-go", which was the last voyage of the Yamato that Thunderf00t referenced at the end. And "The battle of Samar - Odds, what are those?", which addresses the battle where the "plucky" destroyers fend off the Yamato and the Japanese attacking fleet. Incredibly good content.
Although Yamato fulfilled her purpose perfectly, contrary to what thunderf00t said, which was to draw American firepower and allow the rest of the fleet to fight back. Almost a dozen carriers were used to sink her, time spent not bombing Okinawa. The problem was the Americans had both more ships than the Japanese navy had planes and more firebombs than the Japanese civilians had homes.
Does the “proof of concept” even store energy? I bet it’s externally powered,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_braking
Well yes, the real thing would be externally powered as well. By the windmills and solar panels.
Of course it's externally powered. That's the idea of energy STORAGE.
During discharge, you dumbfucks.
Where do I donate to "The Hand," I'm so excited by this, I never thought something like this could be real but after seeing the CGI demo, I'm in!
Yea it's surprising that militaries are not using this already! Mabe it's because those military "engineers" want to make money of their tanks and not loose it to The Hand.
"It works when it's windy, it works when it's wet,"
Uh yeah I hope it would work when wet.
What about working when it's dry?
The idea sounds like it comes from a elementary school kid when he/she was playing Lego. Those cables with a cement block will swing like a wrecking ball under the windy condition. It will knock out its own concrete tower in minutes. Or you can build a structure enclose it. Then it makes it even more expensive.
Looking at the thumbnail, I thought it was some weird device with an antenna to collect the magnetic field of the Earth and store that energy.
Oh boy... It's worse then that...
I thought it was to store energy from lightning
@@Abyss-Will Y'know, actually storing energy from lightning (Or hell, even heat lightning) wouldn't be a bad idea compared to this waste of informational space.
At least we could perchance, develop tesla generators from the research of capturing lightning bolts as pure electrical energy in a high capacity battery.
@@Foreststrike well that bricks tower is just stupid, but we currently dont have a way to capture such huge amounts of energy in a fraction of a second but if we could find a way to do it it would be usefull
This one is a bit unfair. This isn’t pseudoscience, like you said it’s a well proven technology, with some overly optimistic marketing numbers.
I’m sure the alternatives they’re comparing it to are the gravity batteries using weights that have been tried in mineshafts.
In addition, a response time of 2.9s is a very useful feature for any storage system to have. Electric grids all want rapidly responding storage to respond quickly to any problems and prevent a blackout. You know this, it’s worth acknowledging. Pumped hydro takes full minutes to get going. There’s a limited amount of geography suitable for pumped hydro, this can go anywhere it isn’t too windy.
Thunderf00t, can you do a video on "Santa: BUSTED!" before the holidays come so I show it to family and get out of buying gifts?
Don't be lazy, cheap and tacky, buy those gifts. And enjoy with your family the love of capitalism.
@@beowolf83 If I stop being "lazy, cheap and tacky", I'll have to change the epitaph on my tombstone... and it's already ordered and paid for. (Hence why I can't afford gifts this year.)
@@BradCozine Well played, sir!
"Surely they can show me something more than a cartoon"... 2 years later they actually built one in Switzerland.
Another great idea from the people who brought you solar freakin' roadways.
I've started my own line of custom bricks.
Oh no, that dam (yes, dam, those things with water) scam... Lift "energy" when the price is low, drop it when the price is high and call that free energy...
EDIT : told ya ! Glad you've included this in this video
it's more economical. Now if you have a naturally filled lake at the top and another lower down....
That’s actually what they do with them though. They are on demand power that can be brought up almost instantaneously while the slower forms of power generation are brought up.
The water gravity storage? It's not a scam it's just a way of getting the energy when you need it which is the biggest problem with renewables as their peak output does not match with peak demand and output varies a lot.
Sure you could build batteries but then doing so makes marginal energy sources even worse from the cost in making and maintaining batteries as well as using rare materials which further limits mass roll out of doing so.
@@floydlooney6837 Look it up, most of the dams are doing this, I'm not making that up. My point wasn't :"all dams are bad", it was "some -a lot of actually- dams are basically a scam when it comes to renewable energy". Most of the "clean" energy sources are scams if you ask yourself a few questions. Take solar panels for instance : Where are they made ? What's inside ? Can we recycle them ? How long do they last ? etc You'll realize that most of the cost (environmental or money) are hidden.
I don't believe in climate change. I know climate change is real. I don't believe in these so called solutions. Look into each one of them, they won't be very different than the device in this video.
The real clean energy source are all used to the maximum of their capacity already. Anything new is bullshit.
LOL the robot crane sounds you made during your version of the study
9:50 I thought this was one of their videos at first