Agreed, but I don't think that will stop SC just yet. And the timing he dished up, we know he didn't just warn, he wanted to do DAMAGE. He's flying a flag under false pretenses. And whoever didn't get it, that Roberts is not the most honest guy, was a dreamer. He even lies without need - its habitual. Liars sometimes just happen to be very talented. I know a Guitar builder in Ireland - absolute crook, but the Guitars are very good, just don't try to get a warranty repair, good luck, you'll need a lawyer to get it fixed.
Woop dee doo 😂 People have to work to meet a deadline, I lived in the UK for 4 years and the work force their is the softest you will ever run into. 70% of the population all need safe spaces and can barley get shit done or freak out when someone is direct with them lol Blame all their problems on Americans and think they're owed all this special privilege for working an hour overtime once a year 😂
I must admit that as a person who likes discussions, I no longer feel like writing too much on Spectrum because of the so-called "white knights". Any form of criticism, even constructive criticism, is ridiculed and people treated with contempt. The community is so saturated with this that in order to be able to talk to anyone normally, as with people on the same level, you must first exchange arguments and use eristic tricks to find at least one person who will come to his senses and start talking in a civilized way. I believe that the term "white knight" does not reflect the essence of the problem at all, because instead of "noble warriors defending the honor of their favorite game", in most cases we are actually dealing with fierce cultists who often prefer to mock someone rather than convince him. Common practices include spamming snide remarks, clown emojis, and baby milk bottles. Disgusting.
I'm done with this game. I don't think I'll ever go back. 12 years on, and rather than do anything to make the most essential and basic game mechanics work, (ie. inventories, terminals, and elevators) they just pump out more ships for real money so you can fly around in their broken, unplayable shit show of a game. I'd laugh if I didn't feel like I got straight up scammed.
This project is truly circling the drain. Im not even sure it"s saveable at this point. There are decades of tech & ship debt at this point. 12 years & 700+ million dollars in, and virtually no major game loop or feature is fleshed out or consistently works properly. Boy, those ship sales keep coming, though! Fuck new ships. Fix what you have and make the damn game. Roberts and crew couldn't care less, i dont think. It has already made him rich, so he can just wash his hands of it and sail off into the sunset on his yacht when it all eventually falls apart.
@@marcuswynn89 yea, that shits ridiculous. Chris thinks he & cig are more important than they actually are. His ego is off the charts. CIG has literally never shipped a product, but they want to act like they are blizzard with their over the top set piece offices and crap like motion capture studios.
I dont think thats in any way correct. Most of the development is still behind closed doors and notnin the PU. Its obvious from this years citincon, but it also isnthe case that most if the gameplay thats necessary for the PU in necessary for Squadren 42 and will translate over as that game is released. Thats evident from the gameplay trailer and this and last years citizen con.
@@billkranz8035 I just was playing, and I was kicked out of the game because 30k crash protection still does not work. It did not work a year ago and it most certainly does not work today at 130pm cst. Thats one of the big things that piss people off if losing their time to bugs that CIG won't fix and that's why so many folks have stop playing Star Citizen.
It's simple, it's crunch time, used to be the same at Rockstar and that's in the UK too, UK working directive means you can't ask staff to work more than 48 hours a week legally without them signing a contract to opt out of the working time directive, in other words it means you have to get employees agreement. "Average working hours are calculated over a 'reference' period, normally 17 weeks. This means you can work more than 48 hours one week, as long as the average over 17 weeks is less than 48 hours a week. Your working hours cannot be averaged out if you're under 18. You cannot work more than 40 hours in any one week."
I'm a player, and have spent 1000s. I read the article yesterday and am a little disturbed.. I'm not exactly thrilled with CiG as of late. This could be going a lot quicker. Sometimes I think they are spreading it out just to make more money and keep SC in perpetual development. There doesn't seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel. It also seems like they are JUST now starting on the tunnel which should have been developed years ago. Also Star Engine seems like a glitch PoS compared to Unreal Engine 5 which they could have started using years ago. I'm not a developer and maybe I'm out of depth here but the current state of the game is a fucking glitch mess at the best of times.
CIG developers shouldn't have just sat around and complained about overtime when you had 12 years. What kind of companies have finished such huge projects in 12 years? What is meant by finishing is to make it fully playable. Otherwise, you release the game and then continue to develop it. You can see dozens of examples of this. Elite Dangerous - No Man's Sky - Starfield etc. All of these titles have unique and very successful aspects. For example, there are 4 billion systems in Elite, No Man's sky is infinite possibilities, Starfield has loading screens but incredible material and micro details, okay, we can't walk around the ship in Elite Dangerous etc. but it doesn't justify delaying a game. There aren't 500 types of ships in Star Citizen, let there be 60 types of ships at most. Besides, your team is not even 10 people. Hundreds of people will build techno castles and hundreds of useless toys with the money collected from this marketing, and the promises that will not be kept will wait for new victims. But time is running out. Cryengine is showing its age and is not even stable, but they still modified it and created something like the Star Engine. I was a backer with $750, but Star Citizen became my biggest gaming regret. Hundreds of ships will be sold at toy fundraising events like Citizencon, giving paid players nightmares of server crashes.
I hope it doesnt flop because ive been following this project since 2012. Backer since 2014, so it took me awhile to join the band wagon... Honestly im thinking it was a mistake. Throughout the years ive sunk nearly 3 grand into this project and i feel ashamed about that.
I just dont get how people still defend it. It would be so much better if the bulk of the community united around "no new features, flesh out what you have and make it stable", then add new features 1 by 1 and finish each one before you move to the next. They definitely have a disater on their hands with MM. It does have its defenders but from what ive seen its overwhelmingly disliked by at least 80% of the community. They definitely need to hire a figher pilot or something and use that knowledge to streamline the flight and internal screens.. Ive been "in" for 2 years and this game absolutely screams mismanagement. Elite was never designed to reach so high but for all of its short comings, it was run infinitely better. The sad part is, if SC goes belly up, it will damage the crowd funding horribly. I wouldnt be that upset if it was sold. Because if it was that team would be focused on getting the game up and running. You are 100% right about the white knights. I cant understand how they dont see they ppint of someone saying 10 years 700 million... Its in absolutely horrid shape for that amount of money and time... There is not even anything in the game that is ground breaking except the whole server meshing thing they are trying. Everything else or something very similar is already in various space games. Losing senior staff is also bad news. Elite tried the same thing. Hiring kids straight out of college. They have had to regroup and push in a different direction. They have made steps but nothing super awesome... This game is going to end up being a giant black eye. The first step is stopping defending them... SQ42 was never even "feature complete". There was an interview not that long ago on SpaceTamato with Yogi and A1. He said in that interview that they where using SC to build a flight model for SQ42... So the game isnt close at all. A space game with no flight model, thats 12 years old and 700 million in and it has no flight model yet😂 Its hilarous and terrible...
@marcuswynn89 nah they never had a flight model. It was just a different system that wasn't fleshed out either. Just because you can fly doesn't mean they have a flight model. I am really on the train of wondering if the engine can handle higher speeds. Then you have the console thing....
Lol, but they're trying new things that have never been done in the gaming industry before. That's what the people say that spend thousands of dollars to justify their ship expenses. It's funny trying things before, like what opening 5 doors when i'm just trying to open one to get out to hanger. Yeah, no one else has 5 doors when trying to open 1. They're simulating real time elevator wait times half the time in the elevators dont open, All 5 of them. You're right, you got some new technology working there, guys great job 👏. I cant not support this game.
Chris did Tax evasion when making movies and the last game he released was Starlancer in 2000. That is 24 years ago. Freelancer was a flop and Microsoft had to step in. The biggest strenght of RSI are the chill youtubers that keep the sales going and the spirits high around a half baked game that only seem to exist to sell ships and bring in more and more money.
@@marcuswynn89 And not only that. They nerfed some ships to boost sales on onthers. I invested in one ship. The only one I bought after looking at all the pros and cons. I got the Drake Corsair. And see what they did with it ...
Nothing they say at Citizencon could put my mind at ease. There's no reason for me to spend 1$ more on the game on anything they have planned for the near future. They should focus on making the game appealing to people willing to invest the minimum amount yet they ask full game prices just to move crates around. If the money was almost gone back in 2022, whatever they've made since then probably doesn't cover the studio increase and higher costs overall. If SQ doesn't sell really well, I can see CR end up selling everything and running away with the money. I doubt whoever buys it will want to waste money and time fulfilling CR's promises.
I absolutely love CIG and SC......I've given a lot to support them. I still will if they can stop this nonsense of 'fixing' things that aren't broken and fix bugs that have been in game for more than a decade. How about let's give players the ability to play for an hour and not lose everything to falling out of a ship? That would go a long long way. If Soul Singer is a new game it's all over. CIG will be cooked. Let's hope it's tech. The new MFD's are a perfect example of fixing what wasnt broken. Yeah they look ok....but they lost their practical usefulness to the pilot. Total ass.....we will relearn and adapt, but come on, focus that talent elsewhere... Imagine if server meshing doesn't help.....imagine the support they lose then. I want to see them succeed but I have to wonder how they do that when I see them waste so many resources and time for so little return.
@@AllergicFungus yeah and I’ll just say don’t put a child with NO PRIOR EXPERIENCE WITH GAME DEVELOPMENT in charge of a 1 billion dollar project. CIG introduced this guy and had him speak in multiple videos. Thankfully he was fired about a year ago.
oh really, all the latest changes are the result of incompetent noobs doing their first game without any experience and even worse management by a guy with a history of being a micromanaging failure? i would have never guessed.
Star Citizen as a game has a chance of survival, if CIG sells it. Chris and Erin Roberts are the biggest blockers of SC and its development. Sad. Not even the devs are playing the game. Thats the state of it. CIG can' handle it.
@@marcuswynn89I know. But if they keep going on with their bad descisions and bad programming they will be forced to sell or let the game (or lets say the tech-demo) die. Or in about 3 to 5 years, they "release" a dead game, going into the books as the most expensive management failure in game history.
With their history I can believe it. We will get some false promises in 1-3 days at Citizencon… they may deliver on 30% like last year sadly. Yet I still hold a sliver of trucking hope…
Thanks for not being a shill, the state the patches are delivered in is a testament to CIG priorities, SHIP SALES and not Players! Don't get me wrong they do care about players credit cards though.
I am so over this "game". S42 and SC will NEVER see the light of day. EVER. They will constantly be in a state of "development" until the whole organization goes belly-up. Would you buy stock in this company based on their past performance? No. Because your chance of getting back your initial investment, from a purely business point of view. Past performance is the best indicator of future behavior and these clowns couldn't develop their way out of a wet paper sack.
They just successfully tested 2,000 player server meshing, an industry-changing tech. It will eventually handle tens of thousands. The game constantly progresses without fail every 3-4 months and 2024 they made the most progress ever. Squadron 42 is feature complete and they will probably announce a release date tomorrow. It took 11 years for Diablo 3 to be made, a top-down game. You would have been screaming bloody murder if it had been in open development. In the video, "Star Citizen Q&A + 3.24/4.0 Catchup | Are We There Yet?" Space Tomato on July 29, 2024 said: "We've had devs pop in to the chat here who have said, like, we're kind of moving over to Star Citizen, we're getting back to Squadron to work on some stuff that pops up as they go through that polishing phase so they're back and forth. But until Squadron 42 is in a good enough place that a lot of those devs can just peace out and not have to go back to it and work on it, Star Citizen is going to continue to sit in the back seat. "And I was just talking about this on the last stream. I think I'm going to make a video about this sometime soon. Squadron 42 is where all the content and the effort's going. We all kind of know that. Maybe not on a larger scale but if you are in this stream, if you are watching this stream after the fact you're probably tuned in enough to Star Citizen to know that Squadron 42 is taking a lot of the development resources and I'd think until that is no longer true, Star Citizen is probably going to be rough."
Thank you for a honest assessment and bringing this known issue to the forefront, as most content providers would not even let us know or try to white wash under the rug like the fanboys. I spend my money and all I want is value for my dollars.
If you follow development religiously your extremely confident that the game is on track the way they lay everything out. Cig are always every year riding the line as far as bugdet, they make almost no profit cause the more they have free the more taxes they pay. Its in their financial reports. I wouldnt read to much into what someone else writes in an article and follow development. Star engine is rivaling epic engine and they are doing it alone. Its amazing.
Master Modes has literally NOTHING to do with the desync issues, honestly, i don't know where you people get your crazy ideas about desync and what causes it. Desync is a server issue, that's the why of all the mumbo jumbo "server meshing" and "replication layer", MM is the new interaction/handling system of the ships, that's client side, they literally have nothing to do with each other. Apart from that, yeah, the game doesn't look too good right now, i still have a bit of hope that in one or two years we will get SQ42, and from then on we will get a slightly more smooth sailing into the journey to complete SC, but is just that, hope.
@@marcuswynn89 i never said otherwise, SM and the RL are there to tackle those issues, of course it's still in development, literally the first company that as far as i know ever tried to do something like this, so there are still problems with it, hope we see them getting solved in the coming months now that they are finally deploying them to the public for mass testing.
What devs? The ones under payroll and signed nda's? There are a lot of studios all over the place. Some employees don't even know what happens on another floor or team.
Con-Artists usually do as little work as possible...never heard of one forcing such hard work for something that is not intended for release ASAP...why would they want to pay the extra hours?
I was going to go to citizencon, but no way after all the bullshit they been pulling. I would have massively been putting myself out to go and there is no way I'd put myself through it considering how trash they'e started making the game.
roberts is being forced to put something out by the government or face legal issues so they will announce soulsinger, release that as the game needed to get the gov off his back and then keep grifting star citizen which will never release
Seems like this game will never be a real MMO due to the choice of game engine. Maybe that can pivot and turn it in to a Co-op and fix the AI and sell DLC'd at this point.
It's difficult to know what is really happening because what we have are opinions from disgruntled developers who have left the company or been fired. These people have undoubtedly had bad experiences, but what sort of overview did they really have, and is there any exaggeration from them or the author of the article? It's impossible to answer these questions. Let's wait and see what CitizenCon presents us with. One thing we can say with certainty is that Star Citizen is unique in the game industry. Nothing comes close to its projected scope, and only Chris Roberts has had the vision and courage to attempt it. For these reasons, I'm prepared to give him and CIG the benefit of the doubt.
As much as I would like SC to succeed I have a dwindling degree of "faith" that it will, as things are at present. The years have taught me not to put any faith in what is talked about at CitizenCon as "upcoming" or "coming soon" features, mechanics or game play. There is a well documented history for that perspective. All you have to do is go back 12 years and look at all the still unfulfilled Kickstarter Stretch goals and all of the big plans of things to come that were mentioned at CitizenCon/ISC and then just vanished off the radar (Theatres of War, as just one example) . I wonder if Chris will talk about "hitting an inflection point" this year and how that will free up SQ42 devs to ramp up the delivery of features and functions for SC in 2024/25?
I full well know that CIG does very shady stuff and treats their employees like crap and burns through money like they are addicted to cocaine, but that article had me until the "new fantasy game" part, would CIG really be so stupid as to create a 3rd game and piss off their community to that level, I don't see them doing that, sounds like speculation.
Yeah, crunch time sucks, but it's normal for software development when you have a deadline. I don't understand why everyone is making a big deal about it. I regularly put in overtime when ive got a deadline. Welcome to the real world.
if you regularly put in overtime to meet a deadline that says 1 of 2 things, either you work to slow for the deadline OR the deadline is too strict. that isnt the real world, thats either you being incompetent at your given role (working slow) or your being taken advantage of (too strict of a deadline) which under UK law, CIG better be careful because we actually have decent employee/employer laws preventing such practices and "forced" overtime bs. so the fact this is even happening is very questionable, because once a union gets traction at a company in the UK for employees rights well kiss any work being done and watch the stories fly. Should also mention, if you are putting in regular overtime (in the UK) then you clearly dont even know your own rights on this (meaning your being taken advantage off unknowingly) you cannot by law work more than 48 hours on average a week, you can work more than this 48 hours average BUT it has to be signed by you and the company to say so. so if you have a deadline AND you are already at the 48 hour average limit and they want you to work overtime well guess what........ you can say no even if your contract states you work overtime and by law they CANNOT dock you or sack you for this. Know your rights, cz it sounds to me you dont even know your own rights (if your working in the UK and actively agreeing to overtime on a regular basis)
Bored gamer covered the labor claims and over worked claims and he is from there . Him and zen said this was basically BS . They weren't forced to do anything and the ones that did answer the request to work for a few weeks are given time off after . Also he has friends that works there and they were fine . This was just a false claim , a lie . I have plenty of gripes with cig but this crap about a few employees that were asked to please take an optional extra work load for 3 weeks is just manufactured outrage .
bored gamer is also the same chump who has basically been hyping this project to high heavens and fails to call out actual issues with development and time management/project management when it comes to patch after patch always been broken for weeks. I wouldnt take his word as gospel when even if his "friend" works there, thats one part of the company, that does not mean these claims are false as someone could still be taking advantage of in another part of the company (which is 1200 strong and counting)
@@marcuswynn89 you can be a smartass if you want to but he explained the laws there and what the people he knows there have said . So you think a rando "journalists" knows better ? You think you know better ? Yah bored is a positive guy , sure he stays positive when others do not , but he clearly knew what he was talking about on this topic and it's pretty clear you don't. By your own words in your video " I don't know I don't live in the UK" And " take it with a grain of salt" Ok which is it then my boy ?! You taking it seriously and know the truth or you don't?
@@marcuswynn89 Bored as an employer in the UK said the laws are you can ask people to work over time you just can only ask it for a few weeks . I can't remember the actual number but it was 40 something days . So crunch is legal , you just have to compensate and offer time off after . He also stated an employee can waver and work as much as they want . He also said that his friends that worked there haven't complained and enjoy it there. As well as the it wasn't the entire conpany asked it was only people working on things for citizen con so they could be ready , that it was also optional but they offered compensation for those that would help them by answering the call to work . So let me ask you this . What does him being a shill have to do with anything ? How does him being a shill make that false ? The law is the law . As far as the second hand info from inside . You are more inclined to believe an article that jumped to conclusions based on an email ? Or an employer in the uk that has connections inside ? Just saying .
Everybody in the comments that is salty about this video has probably 1000 or more dollars in this "game" and dont want to see this "game" crash and burn. They want you guys just to buy ships at CitizenConned.
You all keep skipping the pov that they were developing 2 games! 12 years for 2 games being developed simultaneously. GTA 6 is 10 years with 5600 employees and 2 billion dollars invested. I'd say we're in a good place.
You realize GTA 5 was one of the most successful games ever launched. It’s been out for 11 years and has proven itself and it’s functional. You cannot say the same about SC. GTA 5s estimate to create/market is around 265M yet it’s made rockstar 8.6 Billion. So it’s not that weird that rockstar would spend 2.2 Billion on creating a franchise that has already proven itself and will be the face of rockstar for the next 12-15 years. I’m sure they will probably double their profits that they made on gta 5 with gta 6. SC has only raised 700M off a game that’s been in progress for 12 years.. even if you cut that in half and say well they’ve been making squadron 42, let’s say 6 years. It took rockstar THREE WHOLE YEARS to make gta 5… I love SC but it’s no where even close to rockstars GTA level.
Lmao you're comparing apples to oranges. Rockstar was a giant company compared to CIG. CIG started as an Indy small business with only a couple hundo when this project was being backed on kick starter. You *cannot compare the two at all.*
Ah yes, another hit piece from a dying "journalism" entity. Does CIG have a product in the final polishing stages of dev? Yes. It's called SQ42. And it is what you have been funding the whole time. SC is a bonus content product that is SECONDARY to dev. If you didn't know that, then maybe you shouldn't throw money at things you don't understand.
It's definitely not a con/scam. People who keep insisting it is can be safely disregarded as too ignorant to pay attention to. That being said we have had a number of false starts with the features they are bringing which has made the project late for sure. Most of these false starts are entirely valid. On frontier projects sometimes you just find yourself at an impass which requires redesign and CIG has stoicly overcome many of these. But this citizencon definitely showed that they had been stuck without a way for much longer than many of us realised. And ngl I was pretty disappointed to hear that their modular procedural settlement creation tool was only just being created now. They defo had sold us the idea that this was being made a long time ago and now we find out that what... they ditched it for hand crafting now have started to make a new one again? Hmmmm 🫤
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theyve regurgitated the same type of hit piece almost every year
The same way cig regurgitates promises to the player base and barely delivers
Employees are definitely being overworked after 12 years, give me a break,, crack that whip!
(Give me a break)
Hey that’s cold blooded 🤣
one would assume 12 years of such overworked employees would at the very least lead to a complete game by now
@yikes3049 you’d think so right
@@marcuswynn89 I call bullshit on this
Agreed, but I don't think that will stop SC just yet. And the timing he dished up, we know he didn't just warn, he wanted to do DAMAGE.
He's flying a flag under false pretenses. And whoever didn't get it, that Roberts is not the most honest guy, was a dreamer. He even lies without need - its habitual.
Liars sometimes just happen to be very talented. I know a Guitar builder in Ireland - absolute crook, but the Guitars are very good, just don't try to get a warranty repair, good luck, you'll need a lawyer to get it fixed.
Woop dee doo 😂 People have to work to meet a deadline, I lived in the UK for 4 years and the work force their is the softest you will ever run into. 70% of the population all need safe spaces and can barley get shit done or freak out when someone is direct with them lol
Blame all their problems on Americans and think they're owed all this special privilege for working an hour overtime once a year 😂
I must admit that as a person who likes discussions, I no longer feel like writing too much on Spectrum because of the so-called "white knights". Any form of criticism, even constructive criticism, is ridiculed and people treated with contempt. The community is so saturated with this that in order to be able to talk to anyone normally, as with people on the same level, you must first exchange arguments and use eristic tricks to find at least one person who will come to his senses and start talking in a civilized way. I believe that the term "white knight" does not reflect the essence of the problem at all, because instead of "noble warriors defending the honor of their favorite game", in most cases we are actually dealing with fierce cultists who often prefer to mock someone rather than convince him. Common practices include spamming snide remarks, clown emojis, and baby milk bottles. Disgusting.
Even if you manage to survive the white knight onslaught, the mods will delete any critisism and eventually ban you.
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@@branVEVO I'm not safe even here xD
Yep! I even stopped visiting the Spectrum, "cause when I did I always left with a foul taste in my mouth.
Bro they are here in the comments talking shit
I'm done with this game. I don't think I'll ever go back. 12 years on, and rather than do anything to make the most essential and basic game mechanics work, (ie. inventories, terminals, and elevators) they just pump out more ships for real money so you can fly around in their broken, unplayable shit show of a game. I'd laugh if I didn't feel like I got straight up scammed.
It is legal for a company to pay for a post employment NDA and in fact, I would never sign one without compensation.
Okay yeah I wasn’t too sure on that thanks for the clarification
Illegal in which country? Cause its not a US company
@@Frank-os6gq ?
This project is truly circling the drain. Im not even sure it"s saveable at this point. There are decades of tech & ship debt at this point.
12 years & 700+ million dollars in, and virtually no major game loop or feature is fleshed out or consistently works properly.
Boy, those ship sales keep coming, though!
Fuck new ships. Fix what you have and make the damn game.
Roberts and crew couldn't care less, i dont think. It has already made him rich, so he can just wash his hands of it and sail off into the sunset on his yacht when it all eventually falls apart.
Well they’d be better off they weren’t trying to make movie sets in the office
@@marcuswynn89 yea, that shits ridiculous. Chris thinks he & cig are more important than they actually are. His ego is off the charts. CIG has literally never shipped a product, but they want to act like they are blizzard with their over the top set piece offices and crap like motion capture studios.
@@Blkstang82 i love armchair developers like yourself.
I dont think thats in any way correct. Most of the development is still behind closed doors and notnin the PU. Its obvious from this years citincon, but it also isnthe case that most if the gameplay thats necessary for the PU in necessary for Squadren 42 and will translate over as that game is released. Thats evident from the gameplay trailer and this and last years citizen con.
Chris Roberts has been kicked off his dream game twice and lawsuits chase him out of the movie business.
That’s true, I think this is his last chance
That was then this is now...
@@billkranz8035 I just was playing, and I was kicked out of the game because 30k crash protection still does not work. It did not work a year ago and it most certainly does not work today at 130pm cst. Thats one of the big things that piss people off if losing their time to bugs that CIG won't fix and that's why so many folks have stop playing Star Citizen.
It's simple, it's crunch time, used to be the same at Rockstar and that's in the UK too, UK working directive means you can't ask staff to work more than 48 hours a week legally without them signing a contract to opt out of the working time directive, in other words it means you have to get employees agreement.
"Average working hours are calculated over a 'reference' period, normally 17 weeks. This means you can work more than 48 hours one week, as long as the average over 17 weeks is less than 48 hours a week. Your working hours cannot be averaged out if you're under 18. You cannot work more than 40 hours in any one week."
I'm a player, and have spent 1000s. I read the article yesterday and am a little disturbed.. I'm not exactly thrilled with CiG as of late. This could be going a lot quicker. Sometimes I think they are spreading it out just to make more money and keep SC in perpetual development. There doesn't seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel. It also seems like they are JUST now starting on the tunnel which should have been developed years ago. Also Star Engine seems like a glitch PoS compared to Unreal Engine 5 which they could have started using years ago. I'm not a developer and maybe I'm out of depth here but the current state of the game is a fucking glitch mess at the best of times.
CIG developers shouldn't have just sat around and complained about overtime when you had 12 years. What kind of companies have finished such huge projects in 12 years? What is meant by finishing is to make it fully playable. Otherwise, you release the game and then continue to develop it. You can see dozens of examples of this. Elite Dangerous - No Man's Sky - Starfield etc. All of these titles have unique and very successful aspects. For example, there are 4 billion systems in Elite, No Man's sky is infinite possibilities, Starfield has loading screens but incredible material and micro details, okay, we can't walk around the ship in Elite Dangerous etc. but it doesn't justify delaying a game. There aren't 500 types of ships in Star Citizen, let there be 60 types of ships at most. Besides, your team is not even 10 people. Hundreds of people will build techno castles and hundreds of useless toys with the money collected from this marketing, and the promises that will not be kept will wait for new victims. But time is running out. Cryengine is showing its age and is not even stable, but they still modified it and created something like the Star Engine. I was a backer with $750, but Star Citizen became my biggest gaming regret. Hundreds of ships will be sold at toy fundraising events like Citizencon, giving paid players nightmares of server crashes.
I hope it doesnt flop because ive been following this project since 2012. Backer since 2014, so it took me awhile to join the band wagon... Honestly im thinking it was a mistake. Throughout the years ive sunk nearly 3 grand into this project and i feel ashamed about that.
Doesn’t feel ashamed you were sold a dream that Chris Roberts didn’t deliver
Kind of have a deja vu with this article, we already had this topic of CIG is running out of money quite a few times
I just dont get how people still defend it. It would be so much better if the bulk of the community united around "no new features, flesh out what you have and make it stable", then add new features 1 by 1 and finish each one before you move to the next.
They definitely have a disater on their hands with MM. It does have its defenders but from what ive seen its overwhelmingly disliked by at least 80% of the community.
They definitely need to hire a figher pilot or something and use that knowledge to streamline the flight and internal screens..
Ive been "in" for 2 years and this game absolutely screams mismanagement.
Elite was never designed to reach so high but for all of its short comings, it was run infinitely better.
The sad part is, if SC goes belly up, it will damage the crowd funding horribly.
I wouldnt be that upset if it was sold. Because if it was that team would be focused on getting the game up and running.
You are 100% right about the white knights. I cant understand how they dont see they ppint of someone saying 10 years 700 million...
Its in absolutely horrid shape for that amount of money and time...
There is not even anything in the game that is ground breaking except the whole server meshing thing they are trying. Everything else or something very similar is already in various space games.
Losing senior staff is also bad news. Elite tried the same thing. Hiring kids straight out of college. They have had to regroup and push in a different direction. They have made steps but nothing super awesome...
This game is going to end up being a giant black eye.
The first step is stopping defending them...
SQ42 was never even "feature complete". There was an interview not that long ago on SpaceTamato with Yogi and A1. He said in that interview that they where using SC to build a flight model for SQ42...
So the game isnt close at all. A space game with no flight model, thats 12 years old and 700 million in and it has no flight model yet😂
Its hilarous and terrible...
They had a flight model instead of explaining it to people they chose to put on training wheels
@marcuswynn89 nah they never had a flight model. It was just a different system that wasn't fleshed out either.
Just because you can fly doesn't mean they have a flight model. I am really on the train of wondering if the engine can handle higher speeds.
Then you have the console thing....
@briangueringer3673 the console thing is valid, I’m sure they slowed it down just for that.
Lol, but they're trying new things that have never been done in the gaming industry before. That's what the people say that spend thousands of dollars to justify their ship expenses. It's funny trying things before, like what opening 5 doors when i'm just trying to open one to get out to hanger. Yeah, no one else has 5 doors when trying to open 1. They're simulating real time elevator wait times half the time in the elevators dont open, All 5 of them. You're right, you got some new technology working there, guys great job 👏. I cant not support this game.
Can’t argue with that
Chris did Tax evasion when making movies and the last game he released was Starlancer in 2000. That is 24 years ago. Freelancer was a flop and Microsoft had to step in.
The biggest strenght of RSI are the chill youtubers that keep the sales going and the spirits high around a half baked game that only seem to exist to sell ships and bring in more and more money.
You can’t even get excited about ships now because they are all slow and boring
@@marcuswynn89 And not only that. They nerfed some ships to boost sales on onthers. I invested in one ship. The only one I bought after looking at all the pros and cons. I got the Drake Corsair. And see what they did with it ...
@nebulajumper6216 they massacred my boy
Nothing they say at Citizencon could put my mind at ease. There's no reason for me to spend 1$ more on the game on anything they have planned for the near future. They should focus on making the game appealing to people willing to invest the minimum amount yet they ask full game prices just to move crates around.
If the money was almost gone back in 2022, whatever they've made since then probably doesn't cover the studio increase and higher costs overall. If SQ doesn't sell really well, I can see CR end up selling everything and running away with the money. I doubt whoever buys it will want to waste money and time fulfilling CR's promises.
Cris is killing the game i am at wits end with game and the corsair changes are complete trash
they massacred my boy
I absolutely love CIG and SC......I've given a lot to support them. I still will if they can stop this nonsense of 'fixing' things that aren't broken and fix bugs that have been in game for more than a decade. How about let's give players the ability to play for an hour and not lose everything to falling out of a ship? That would go a long long way. If Soul Singer is a new game it's all over. CIG will be cooked. Let's hope it's tech. The new MFD's are a perfect example of fixing what wasnt broken. Yeah they look ok....but they lost their practical usefulness to the pilot. Total ass.....we will relearn and adapt, but come on, focus that talent elsewhere... Imagine if server meshing doesn't help.....imagine the support they lose then. I want to see them succeed but I have to wonder how they do that when I see them waste so many resources and time for so little return.
Everyone’s so high on server meshing I’m saying we haven’t seen regular missions and dynamic/global events working yet so I’m not sold
for several months the LEAD PROJECT MANAGER was a FUCKING 19 Year old
im not joking at all
Maybe sandi's fuck buddy?
I was a lance corporal leading a squad in Afghanistan at 19... Just saying.
@@AllergicFungus yeah and I’ll just say don’t put a child with NO PRIOR EXPERIENCE WITH GAME DEVELOPMENT in charge of a 1 billion dollar project. CIG introduced this guy and had him speak in multiple videos. Thankfully he was fired about a year ago.
game developers complain to much, just get your job done and make the game
This non-game doesn't look like the product of 650+mil. Making that connection seems like a joke.
oh really,
all the latest changes are the result of incompetent noobs doing their first game without any experience and even worse management by a guy with a history of being a micromanaging failure?
i would have never guessed.
Star Citizen as a game has a chance of survival, if CIG sells it. Chris and Erin Roberts are the biggest blockers of SC and its development. Sad. Not even the devs are playing the game. Thats the state of it. CIG can' handle it.
They don’t want to sell it
@@marcuswynn89I know. But if they keep going on with their bad descisions and bad programming they will be forced to sell or let the game (or lets say the tech-demo) die. Or in about 3 to 5 years, they "release" a dead game, going into the books as the most expensive management failure in game history.
@hix420 if this fails Chris Roberts should be banned from the industry
@@marcuswynn89 he should go to jail for fraud and scam if this fails
Chris Robert’s is trying to replace Elizabeth Holmes as one of the greatest con artists in recent times 😂
SQ 42 isn't feature complete! Because why are new features coming into the game lacking usability!
Yup, that's very suspicious to be honest
Most of the features that they are talking about adding to S42 could easily be "faked" for a single player game by just scripting it out.
With their history I can believe it.
We will get some false promises in 1-3 days at Citizencon… they may deliver on 30% like last year sadly.
Yet I still hold a sliver of trucking hope…
Im not going to hold my breath for anything, I’m not even excited for ships because of master modes
@@marcuswynn89 that’s a vibe I agree with. I think more backers feel this way than new backers are joining.
I guess we will get the temperature after sales figures come out
More like 50% but hey whats 20 percent
@@blaqbastion1501 might be 50% by the end of the year. Yah 20% more is nice but I’d love to see 75%-90% ideally.
Thanks for not being a shill, the state the patches are delivered in is a testament to CIG priorities, SHIP SALES and not Players! Don't get me wrong they do care about players credit cards though.
I’ll never shill for CIG
Chris is a habitual liar, along with his weird brand of perfectionism
I am so over this "game". S42 and SC will NEVER see the light of day. EVER. They will constantly be in a state of "development" until the whole organization goes belly-up. Would you buy stock in this company based on their past performance? No. Because your chance of getting back your initial investment, from a purely business point of view. Past performance is the best indicator of future behavior and these clowns couldn't develop their way out of a wet paper sack.
They just successfully tested 2,000 player server meshing, an industry-changing tech. It will eventually handle tens of thousands. The game constantly progresses without fail every 3-4 months and 2024 they made the most progress ever. Squadron 42 is feature complete and they will probably announce a release date tomorrow. It took 11 years for Diablo 3 to be made, a top-down game. You would have been screaming bloody murder if it had been in open development.
In the video, "Star Citizen Q&A + 3.24/4.0 Catchup | Are We There Yet?" Space Tomato on July 29, 2024 said: "We've had devs pop in to the chat here who have said, like, we're kind of moving over to Star Citizen, we're getting back to Squadron to work on some stuff that pops up as they go through that polishing phase so they're back and forth. But until Squadron 42 is in a good enough place that a lot of those devs can just peace out and not have to go back to it and work on it, Star Citizen is going to continue to sit in the back seat.
"And I was just talking about this on the last stream. I think I'm going to make a video about this sometime soon. Squadron 42 is where all the content and the effort's going. We all kind of know that. Maybe not on a larger scale but if you are in this stream, if you are watching this stream after the fact you're probably tuned in enough to Star Citizen to know that Squadron 42 is taking a lot of the development resources and I'd think until that is no longer true, Star Citizen is probably going to be rough."
Is this some mission you’re doing in the beginning? Or is it PVP? Looks so fun haha. No armor either that’s some solid snake stuff right there
Thank you for a honest assessment and bringing this known issue to the forefront, as most content providers would not even let us know or try to white wash under the rug like the fanboys. I spend my money and all I want is value for my dollars.
That’s not bad thing to ask for in fact it’s the bare minimum
If you follow development religiously your extremely confident that the game is on track the way they lay everything out. Cig are always every year riding the line as far as bugdet, they make almost no profit cause the more they have free the more taxes they pay. Its in their financial reports. I wouldnt read to much into what someone else writes in an article and follow development. Star engine is rivaling epic engine and they are doing it alone. Its amazing.
Creating hype videos takes time (referring to the devs)
It takes a lot of time lol
Imagine all the time spent to create these vids filled with features that don't even exist. Time they could spend creating the actual features.
@@nebulajumper6216 it sounds like a tough situation for the devs
@nebulajumper6216 hype and hope are much more important
@@marcuswynn89 bills gotta get paid
how are you able to play? I can't even get into my hanger??
I got the expedited hangar pack on the pledge store
buy a ship it will make you feel better lol
@cragsdalephoto yeah but master modes will make it not fun to fly
@@marcuswynn89 wait what? Expedited what? you're trolling me, right?
@Sams911 lol yeah I’m messing with you bro
Master Modes has literally NOTHING to do with the desync issues, honestly, i don't know where you people get your crazy ideas about desync and what causes it.
Desync is a server issue, that's the why of all the mumbo jumbo "server meshing" and "replication layer", MM is the new interaction/handling system of the ships, that's client side, they literally have nothing to do with each other.
Apart from that, yeah, the game doesn't look too good right now, i still have a bit of hope that in one or two years we will get SQ42, and from then on we will get a slightly more smooth sailing into the journey to complete SC, but is just that, hope.
There is still desync with server meshing too
@@marcuswynn89 i never said otherwise, SM and the RL are there to tackle those issues, of course it's still in development, literally the first company that as far as i know ever tried to do something like this, so there are still problems with it, hope we see them getting solved in the coming months now that they are finally deploying them to the public for mass testing.
This generation cries about work, then they cry they can't afford anything. Crazy.
OK Boomer
@@north_borne ok zoomer
@@north_borne I know, the truth hurts.
Right on time for a hit piece. The devs have already spoken on X and debunked all this BS
Help yourself to some more of that delicious CIG Fool-Aid.
@@AlleniumProductions you're o so wrong
@@AlleniumProductions You can go and dig a hole and DEI gaming
What devs? The ones under payroll and signed nda's? There are a lot of studios all over the place. Some employees don't even know what happens on another floor or team.
@@nebulajumper6216 Devs were ask to work weekends, but they will return the days later on
Con-Artists usually do as little work as possible...never heard of one forcing such hard work for something that is not intended for release ASAP...why would they want to pay the extra hours?
I was going to go to citizencon, but no way after all the bullshit they been pulling. I would have massively been putting myself out to go and there is no way I'd put myself through it considering how trash they'e started making the game.
Yeah man they need to get rid of master chodes
@@marcuswynn89 Facts
@UncleBenjs they should boo master modes presentations at citizen con
roberts is being forced to put something out by the government or face legal issues so they will announce soulsinger, release that as the game needed to get the gov off his back and then keep grifting star citizen which will never release
If he releases soul singer assuming that it’s true I think a lot of people are going to walk away
over worked its the most relaxed work place garbage for years its about time they are actually made to work lol
Yup, I saw this coming! Because a game was never being created, just stuff being created.
Awesome ships. In a beautifully empty game.
Is how I would describe & why I sold my main account.
As Marcus said in a recent video ... "SC is a mile wide and an inch deep." I have to agree.
Here in the US workers are practically slaves. In the rest of the world not so much.
Huhhhh????
Seems like this game will never be a real MMO due to the choice of game engine. Maybe that can pivot and turn it in to a Co-op and fix the AI and sell DLC'd at this point.
It's difficult to know what is really happening because what we have are opinions from disgruntled developers who have left the company or been fired. These people have undoubtedly had bad experiences, but what sort of overview did they really have, and is there any exaggeration from them or the author of the article? It's impossible to answer these questions. Let's wait and see what CitizenCon presents us with. One thing we can say with certainty is that Star Citizen is unique in the game industry. Nothing comes close to its projected scope, and only Chris Roberts has had the vision and courage to attempt it. For these reasons, I'm prepared to give him and CIG the benefit of the doubt.
As much as I would like SC to succeed I have a dwindling degree of "faith" that it will, as things are at present. The years have taught me not to put any faith in what is talked about at CitizenCon as "upcoming" or "coming soon" features, mechanics or game play. There is a well documented history for that perspective. All you have to do is go back 12 years and look at all the still unfulfilled Kickstarter Stretch goals and all of the big plans of things to come that were mentioned at CitizenCon/ISC and then just vanished off the radar (Theatres of War, as just one example) . I wonder if Chris will talk about "hitting an inflection point" this year and how that will free up SQ42 devs to ramp up the delivery of features and functions for SC in 2024/25?
I full well know that CIG does very shady stuff and treats their employees like crap and burns through money like they are addicted to cocaine, but that article had me until the "new fantasy game" part, would CIG really be so stupid as to create a 3rd game and piss off their community to that level, I don't see them doing that, sounds like speculation.
Yeah, crunch time sucks, but it's normal for software development when you have a deadline. I don't understand why everyone is making a big deal about it. I regularly put in overtime when ive got a deadline. Welcome to the real world.
Because they're immature adult children who want everything now. Impatient crybabies "give me my toys"
if you regularly put in overtime to meet a deadline that says 1 of 2 things, either you work to slow for the deadline OR the deadline is too strict. that isnt the real world, thats either you being incompetent at your given role (working slow) or your being taken advantage of (too strict of a deadline) which under UK law, CIG better be careful because we actually have decent employee/employer laws preventing such practices and "forced" overtime bs. so the fact this is even happening is very questionable, because once a union gets traction at a company in the UK for employees rights well kiss any work being done and watch the stories fly.
Should also mention, if you are putting in regular overtime (in the UK) then you clearly dont even know your own rights on this (meaning your being taken advantage off unknowingly) you cannot by law work more than 48 hours on average a week, you can work more than this 48 hours average BUT it has to be signed by you and the company to say so. so if you have a deadline AND you are already at the 48 hour average limit and they want you to work overtime well guess what........ you can say no even if your contract states you work overtime and by law they CANNOT dock you or sack you for this.
Know your rights, cz it sounds to me you dont even know your own rights (if your working in the UK and actively agreeing to overtime on a regular basis)
@123TheCloop thanks I didn’t know that about uk labor laws
why would you think that master modes would get rid of desync lmao
That’s literally what yogi said 💀
With a heavy heart I agree with all you said 😢
Bored gamer covered the labor claims and over worked claims and he is from there . Him and zen said this was basically BS . They weren't forced to do anything and the ones that did answer the request to work for a few weeks are given time off after .
Also he has friends that works there and they were fine . This was just a false claim , a lie .
I have plenty of gripes with cig but this crap about a few employees that were asked to please take an optional extra work load for 3 weeks is just manufactured outrage .
bored gamer is also the same chump who has basically been hyping this project to high heavens and fails to call out actual issues with development and time management/project management when it comes to patch after patch always been broken for weeks. I wouldnt take his word as gospel when even if his "friend" works there, thats one part of the company, that does not mean these claims are false as someone could still be taking advantage of in another part of the company (which is 1200 strong and counting)
Bored gamer lol, he is the biggest CIG shill, he was say 3.24.2 was ready for live when there was massive desync still
@@marcuswynn89 you can be a smartass if you want to but he explained the laws there and what the people he knows there have said .
So you think a rando "journalists" knows better ?
You think you know better ?
Yah bored is a positive guy , sure he stays positive when others do not , but he clearly knew what he was talking about on this topic and it's pretty clear you don't. By your own words in your video " I don't know I don't live in the UK"
And " take it with a grain of salt"
Ok which is it then my boy ?!
You taking it seriously and know the truth or you don't?
@DummyThinksThoughts yes I can be a smartass why? Because it’s my channel. If you don’t like it leave
@@marcuswynn89
Bored as an employer in the UK said the laws are you can ask people to work over time you just can only ask it for a few weeks . I can't remember the actual number but it was 40 something days .
So crunch is legal , you just have to compensate and offer time off after .
He also stated an employee can waver and work as much as they want .
He also said that his friends that worked there haven't complained and enjoy it there.
As well as the it wasn't the entire conpany asked it was only people working on things for citizen con so they could be ready , that it was also optional but they offered compensation for those that would help them by answering the call to work .
So let me ask you this . What does him being a shill have to do with anything ? How does him being a shill make that false ? The law is the law .
As far as the second hand info from inside .
You are more inclined to believe an article that jumped to conclusions based on an email ? Or an employer in the uk that has connections inside ?
Just saying .
Everybody in the comments that is salty about this video has probably 1000 or more dollars in this "game" and dont want to see this "game" crash and burn. They want you guys just to buy ships at CitizenConned.
This comment section is a salt mine
IWAS HYPED..😅😅😅UNTIL I BOUGHT THE GAME,😂😂😂NOW I KNOW THE POWER OF MARKETING. GAME IS ABSOLUTELY BORING TRASH FR
Crazy people still don't understand the tech cig is developing along the way
10+ years development tech
You all keep skipping the pov that they were developing 2 games! 12 years for 2 games being developed simultaneously. GTA 6 is 10 years with 5600 employees and 2 billion dollars invested. I'd say we're in a good place.
GTA 6 likely hasn’t been in development for a decade maybe 8 years max, rockstar had a good track record, CIG does not
You realize GTA 5 was one of the most successful games ever launched. It’s been out for 11 years and has proven itself and it’s functional. You cannot say the same about SC.
GTA 5s estimate to create/market is around 265M yet it’s made rockstar 8.6 Billion. So it’s not that weird that rockstar would spend 2.2 Billion on creating a franchise that has already proven itself and will be the face of rockstar for the next 12-15 years. I’m sure they will probably double their profits that they made on gta 5 with gta 6. SC has only raised 700M off a game that’s been in progress for 12 years.. even if you cut that in half and say well they’ve been making squadron 42, let’s say 6 years. It took rockstar THREE WHOLE YEARS to make gta 5… I love SC but it’s no where even close to rockstars GTA level.
Lmao you're comparing apples to oranges. Rockstar was a giant company compared to CIG. CIG started as an Indy small business with only a couple hundo when this project was being backed on kick starter.
You *cannot compare the two at all.*
@@AllergicFungus if you can read alright you’ll be able to see he mention GTA 6. Thanks.
Ah yes, another hit piece from a dying "journalism" entity. Does CIG have a product in the final polishing stages of dev?
Yes. It's called SQ42. And it is what you have been funding the whole time. SC is a bonus content product that is SECONDARY to dev.
If you didn't know that, then maybe you shouldn't throw money at things you don't understand.
No that’s not true star citizen was never the original kickstarter. It’s not a hit piece if it’s true
Okay clown. Tell me you're new without telling me. The original backing on kick starter *WAS* for star citizen.
@@marcuswynn89Star citizen was the og Kickstarter you can still lookup the OG Kickstarter page.
This video is like copium for all the SC haters 😂. It's going to get harder and harder for you as time goes, not easier 😂
Go watch my live stream of the 3.24.2 patch and tell me with a straight face that patch is good
Ahhh the delusional cult of crust roberts circlecjerk club has arrived.
Inside gamer? Didnt they have kind words for concord....
It's definitely not a con/scam. People who keep insisting it is can be safely disregarded as too ignorant to pay attention to.
That being said we have had a number of false starts with the features they are bringing which has made the project late for sure. Most of these false starts are entirely valid. On frontier projects sometimes you just find yourself at an impass which requires redesign and CIG has stoicly overcome many of these.
But this citizencon definitely showed that they had been stuck without a way for much longer than many of us realised. And ngl I was pretty disappointed to hear that their modular procedural settlement creation tool was only just being created now. They defo had sold us the idea that this was being made a long time ago and now we find out that what... they ditched it for hand crafting now have started to make a new one again? Hmmmm 🫤