NEW PLANE? - The Airbus A350-2000...
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- Could an A350-2000 be the next Airbus aircraft to be released, or is it simply a pipe dream that is no longer likely to occur?
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A350Neo-6600 (Neo of -900 66m), A350Neo-7300 (Neo of -1000 73m), A350Neo-8000 (Neo stretched to 80m), A350FNeo-7000 (Neo of freighter)
None of the mentioned aircraft can replace the A380
In terms of legacy, no. In terms of size and capacity, sort of.
Well they rather replace a plane that sold 1738 planes (777), than a plane that only sold 254 (A380)
The problem will always be, not is there demand for an A380 replacement, which we know that there is, but can the demand ever be sufficient to justify the investment?
Apart from emirates, they don't want a plane that could carry 500 passengers.
So the bills fit perfectly.
There's no longer a market for quad engine aircraft anymore and The Airbus A380 will grow operating and maintenance costs ✈️💵
I really don't think there needs to be a new A350, the dash 900XWB, the dash 1000 and 1000F is good enough for the market
Well to me in 1 way yes but other hand no. All they could do is just modify a few bits on A350-1000 eg engines and cosmetics. Boeing should have just kept B777-300ER and made same as I said about what can be done
@@rajnirvan3336 77W is 20% less efficient than A350 and significantly more heavy. A new engine just won't cut it.
-2000 is predicted to be possible according to analysts like leehamnet, but no point to cannibalize an already niche plane like 777X.
Airbus is doing fine with the still active A380’s, at least until 2035/40, and are having a big success with what they already have with the A350/1000+ULR+F. The B777X has not have any great sales success, and doubt that they ever will. The A350/1000 is a proven aircraft with sufficient capacity to fulfill the majority of Airline performance targets, and is one of the public’s favorites.
Airbus doesn't need an A352 for the next years. They can wait for when 777X does appear in real, whenever that will be:2027?
probs 2050 knowing boieng
Let’s have a new flying pencil. A350 -2000 please. Biggest bonus would be ITS NOT A BOEING!
Agree about the Boeing statement. The downfall of Boeing was when Calhoun came in with the beancounter mentality . He previously worked for GE during the Jack Welch years and brought that mentality along with him . What could possibly go wrong you may ask ? Look what happened at GE when 2 jet Jeff Imelt took over the company bringing along the sick Jack Welch mentality !
Another flop.
The A350-2000 proposal was old news a long time ago and remains so today
Thanks Dj!!
This would never happen because
1. Airbus would have to make a completely new engine
2. They would have to somehow finesse physics and push carbon fiber construction to the max
3. They would have to build a whole new line of factories which cause a lot of further issues in the future
4. They don’t want to kill Boeing, having little to no competition is not what airbus wants to thrive under, because at this point airbus can’t even pump out the ridiculous amount of orders
5. This whole new program would obviously cost a crap ton of money
I don't think Airbus is the one that should be making the engines.
@@angelorobel12 They don't, Rolls Royce does.
@@amirtak9886 Yes, correct.
Cabin length;
A350-1000; 51m (A350-900) +7m = 58m
A350-2000; 58m +7m = 65m
I think a 350-1000ulr is more likely. But maby in the future when a380 run is done. There might be more need for bigger planes.
Wrong simulation of the wingtips on two sides of the A350F at 2:51? I could see the left wingtip become like a sharklet but the right one did not change from A350 type.
That first landing was the first ever soft landing of a Qatar a350 i have ever seen. On top of that it was gloriously buttery
IMHO the B777-300ER was & is the sweetspot for size in the large plane category. The natural replacement for that aircraft is the already established A350-1000 & to back this up we see so many airlines ordering it to replace -300ER`s. The B777X is larger, heavier & more expensive therefore more niche in it`s appeal but attractive to some airlines serving the luxury end of the market. I don`t think there`s a business case for AB to bother with a stretch, B777X will have that smaller market to itself although further down the line when the new range of more economical engines appear it could well be reviewed.
What DJ is describing, with a modest stretch and modest upgraded engines, would be closer to an A350-1500. An impressive airplane to be sure, but modest. A true A350-2000 would have newer , more powerful engines, a healthy stretch, and maybe a modified wing.
It could have 4 high efficiency engines running on saf fuel, perhaps with an electronic after burner for further gas combustion.
A340-600neo🤔😉
I'm not sure if airlines want the A350-2000. The fact it will be a long plane makes gate compatibility and passenger loading/unloading a bit of an issue at many airports. The A350-1000 is right at the limit of reasonable airplane size for most major international airports.
A350-2000: The first plane developed by YT.
What if they just added a partial upper deck and moved the flight deck up there, as well as some additional seats behind?
For most airlines the A350-1000 is by far big enough. I would argue that a NEO version should be prioritized. However It would be a good plan for Airbus to prepare a 2000 version to minimize the time of production if the market calls for it.
airlines will need to replace their 777-300ers eventually, but do they really want a larger aircraft. The A350-1000 is lighter, more efficient, has a greater range, and has a similar capacity. It's a great replacement for the 777-300er. Bigger isn't always better as seen with the A380.
There's a 9ft difference between the A350-1000 and the 777-9. Most airlines won't even configure these aircraft to their max capacity (AAs 777-300ers only hold about 304pax).
There's not really a need to stretch the A350-1000. What would be the reason the reason for stretching the 1000? Just to say they have an aircraft bigger than the 777-9?
The sweet spot for airlines are the 787-9 and the A350-900.
I can't imagine a bigger A350 without a different wing and that wuold be another financial challenge
A340-600 😀
@@sam.v4 that was an underrated aircraft
If Airbus were to announce that they were already working on an A350-2000 and were close to producing an aircraft for testing/certification, would bookies offer odds on it reaching the customers before the 777x?
Joking aside, Apart from the A350F, which is just a variant, albeit a significant one of an existing aircraft, you have to wonder about what exactly the development teams have been working on behind the scenes.
I find it difficult to believe that it is just a new line of narrow body replacements, which can only go so far without the engine technology.
Are we about to be surprised or even shocked?
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It does appear that the possibility of a larger Airbus A.350 is in the long grass today , but I feel there is one man who could change all that ! It is Sir Tim Clarke the C.O.E. of EMERATES, he is the largest operator of the Airbus A.380 and as we know wanted Airbus to build a N.E.O . that they would not do so he placed a Order for 50 Airbus A,350 , s but he hs got a very large Order for the Boeing 777 9 of which he should have had most of them delivered but has not received one Aircraft to date ? So if he got fed up with waiting and offered a very large Order for a 450 plus seat Airbus A.350 possibly with the new Rolls Royce ' Ultrafan ' Engines ? Would Airbus turn him away ? I don't think so, so watch this space as I feel this could all happen within the next Year or so !
They can't ramp the rate up enough to meet current A350 demands, I don't see an A352 come out anytime soon. Even if they do the engines will be the major limiting factor.
Is there enough demand to justify an enlarged A350?
Emirates alone and some oddballs in other airlines won't suffice.
If Emirates purchase 250+ planes, there is a business case for a new version. There are entire model that have sold less.
Cathay Pacific, Singapore Airlines, Air India, British Airways, Ethiopian Airlines, Emirates, Qatar, Etihad, Lufthansa & Korean Air.
These are all airlines that order/operating A350 in their fleet. They also have B777X in their order book. If Airbus came up with A350-2000. They might canceled their B777X and order A350-2000 instead. They already own A350, it won't increase operating/maintenance costs.
@@nntflow7058 If half of them would switch over, that would be a really big surprise. Most likely not even a quarter will do so? And there we are entering the "Will it ever break even?" realm.
@@jantjarks7946 I would say half of them. I see Lufthansa, Singapore and Cathay doing it.
Emirates would buy A350-2000 but they would also kept their B777X order.
@@nntflow7058 That's far more than optimistic. Just saying.
I think they'll bet on airlines to put 10-abreast economy in A350-1000s. The A350-2k will be a later resort if 10-abreast fails to catch on for the A350. So far, PAL is the only full service airline that will configure their A35Ks as such.
Id love a -2000. If delays keep adding up Airbus can snatch some orders from emirates for a 777x rival and effectively shutter boeing's commercial division (looks likely because of the strikes and losses this year)
But that's a fantasy, because Emirates hasn't even ordered the a350-1000 yet because of concerns around it's engines, which would most likely be on a hypothetical -2000.
I don't think the A350-2000 should be a priority yet. Let's wait for several more years.
Aribus Goo For The A350-2000
The market needs larger planes. the 747 and the A380 wont be flying for long and major cities are only getting larger and more congested. If Airbus doesnt extend the A350, the 777X will dominate. The only problem is the A350s engines, they are currently too small even for the -900 and -1000. Airbus can work on an A350-2000 with larger engines and give the option for a neo version of the A350-9000 and -1000. This way the existing, and new -2000, A350s can become even more efficient and have better performance in hot climates and high altitudes. We are already seeing customers prefer the 777X because of its larger engines. Major carriers in the Arab gulf and far east asia are willing to wait for the 777X for a few more years than go for the A350 because of its engines. So a neo is inevitable.
I want to see a A 350-2000 With RR Ultra Fan
a350-2000 is a cursed aircraft if you know what i mean, no more long planes, i hate it.
A -2000, would probably need new engines and perhaps a new wing to go with it, at that point it would just be a A350 NEO.
a350-2000 is not a good idea
maybe an a360 or a370?
A300-900neo,!a350-1009[92❤ 3:55 3:55
airbus just have this market segment vecause it has no real competitor they probably only need to revisit it when the 777 gets certified at the earliest
50 extra seats? I think it’s a lot of expense for that kind of increase. 100 seats, maybe. But 50? That’s a stretch…
If they can put 4 engines on it oh wait thats the A346...
They'd have to do further improvements in performance.
If Philippine Airlines buys the A350-2000? That's a better choice for Airbus than Boeing
Chances are with 10-abreast, PAL's 35K can seat more passengers than 77Ws and just slightly short of 779. No need for -2000.
@@steinwaldmadchen he could be right tho... For replacing 777's That Are Leased Currently. A35-2K Could be A Possible Order As PAL Only ordered 9 A35K's.
@@steinwaldmadchen 60 seats difference between an a350-1000 and 777-9 , that gap reduces to a 30 seat difference with a 10 abreast setup. Thankfully all full service carriers are sticking with the 9 abreast on their a350s, pall is more of an LCC than an FSC.
A380neo needs to happen. Nothing can replace it and already airlines that have brought them back realising the demand is necessary for it.
777x is a joke.
Best 350 is 359
I think it's an interesting thing, but we all know airlines push their luck sometimes with new variants (e.g. Boeing 737max and 747-8, 757-300). Be pretty cool to see though for sure
The market is barely enough for 777X to breakeven, there's just no space for A350-2000 yet.
Maybe after NEO with UltraFan.
@@steinwaldmadchen yeah thatd be worthit but even then youre right about how theres no space for it. a350 is good enough at the moment
A350 decline already started with Qatar Air; no way 2000
Im sure if Airbus did go ahead with a stretch version of the 350-1000 it will be in production and service before the 'New' 777 😂
Let them go ahead , the a380 2.0 loading.
They should stop lengthening the sausage. One of the problems with A380 is that it is too big. It is not easy for airlines to fill up 400 plus passenger aircraft regularly unless you are Emirates.
They need something to match the upcoming Boeing 777X (which is slightly larger than the A350-1000).
@@todortodorov6056 777X itself has a limited market.
Lets hope future A350s don't follow same examples as B777X
Why would it?
It's all about company management. Let's hope they learned their lesson from the A380 wiring headaches and that they look across the pond and learn.
This is a long way away considering current variants are experiencing supply chain delays affecting supplies and deliveries. It makes absolutely no sense to get into another taxi without first closing the door the one you are getting out of!! First things first, otherwise with Global events affecting the economy and also signs of the times, the ‘Unknown’, the ‘Unforeseen’, all will come crashing down!
Supply chain is one aspect. But designing a new variant can happen independently of the supply chain problems, and maybe they can design it in such way that it is more resilient to supply chain disturbances.
@@todortodorov6056 Designing a Model can easily be accomplished Digitally as we all know. When it comes to obtaining the raw materials to build the computerized Design of the frame, that is when the problem begins. Supplies are very limited because of a lack of raw materials!!!! Russia which leads in the production and Marketing of Titanium is at war with Ukraine (and technically the rest of the West) therefore trade with Russia has somewhat stunted.
@@kojoharrison630 As long as most of the parts are in common it isn't really different from a shorter A350 except fuselage length. Current MTOW and engine is adequate for the stretch, aberit with a reduced but still useful range.
Airbus produce CFRP panels inhouse so relatively less dependent on external suppliers.
@@steinwaldmadchen ☺👍
@@kojoharrison630 No. Design cannot be done 100% digitally. Just the simples thing, doing the market research if it makes sense to produce the model, requires good old face to face talk with customers. And the entire process is done by humans. The digital part is the drawings, the calculations and the communication. The rest is still very human heavy. Even programming a CNC machine requires humans to input the new file and feed it with material and cutting tools and ensure that it is milled to specifications.
If Airbus makes an A350-2000, it will need GE's superior engines.
Airbus needs to concentrate on the problems with RR affecting their aircraft deliveries and the aircraft in service with their customers
airbus has little or no relevance to rolls royce's problem, its rolls royce problem not airbus
@@Arya-Aviation it does because some of their aircraft use RR A330NEO for one
@@davidcavanagh8687 ik, but its rolls royce's job to handle them
One does not exclude the other. They can work on a A350-2000 while working with RR to fix the problems. They could also offer the A350-2000 with several engine options, something which will certainly make more customers happy, for example Emirates.
It must NOT be forgotten that the A350 is actually Airbuses response to the 787. A lot more 787s are flying in the skies than the A350 currently. The 777x is a stand-alone aircraft replacing all Quad-Engined Aircrafts.
That is just somewhat correct.
The A350 product is placed on the upper end of the B787, and lower end of B777 products.
The A350-1100/2000 could be a more direct competitor to the B777-9.
The A350 program is, IMHO, been very successful compared B787 program. I wont even begin to compare it's success against the B777x nightmare, which might never fly commercially.
The A350 and 787 are not directly comparable. The A350 is positioned between the 787 and 777. And A350 went into service years later than the 787, so of course the 787 will have more planes flying.
@@chiad25 As an Aircraft/Aviation enthusiast, who supports both Manufacturers primarily because they serve the Human Race, I'm considering the Fact that the 787 is 4 years older than the A350 and many orders went ahead of that pioneering innovation of the 787 concept. The advantage of the A350 being younger is that Airbus learnt from the 787's 'Teething' problems with the batteries and made certain that they didn't emulate those woes. Despite all the 787 teething problems and now manufacturing/delivery delays, no Airline has cancelled their orders of the type. The 787 has been MORE successful in terms of number of orders, quantity sold and flying through the skies. Airlines know their manufacturers and are loyal to them. During the Airbus Documentary on the 'First Flight of The A350', the Airbus Executive verbally said that Airbus created the A350 to emulate the 777 and looking at it visually, even without considering its Avionics, it is definitely a cross between the 777 & 787, which is brilliant because these two Manufacturers support each other.
@@todortodorov6056 Actually all A350's variants can replace 777 1-to-1.
@@steinwaldmadchen Yes, the current 777's. I was talking about the upcoming 777X (whenever or if it becomes a reality, sometime in the future).
THERE IS NO -2000 PROJECT FOR ANY OF AIRBUS AIRCRAFT TYPE AT ALL. STOP MAKING FALSE ASSERTIONS.
@@WillReims-s2s Boeing also said there's no 737RE until AA essentially forced them to do so.
@@steinwaldmadchen The idea and first to ask Boeing of the feasibility of a re-engine is ICAO that made a survey of all international airlines members of I.A.T.A.
Boeing as made a public statement that it would be the responsibility of the BoD to decide if they would implement an RE.
CFM is the only engine manufacturer interested in developing a 66 inches engine but it would take a few years before they obtain a product that would provide a 15% reduction of its fuel consumption cost if it replaces the -800 and -900 models. It would be foolish to replace the actual engines on the MAX as the airplanes wings would have to be redesigned.
The full statement is available on Boeing site. Bloomberg has print the full story but is only available to its subscribers.
I would be very surprised that Boeing and CFM would engage in such a venture for only 56 airplanes (AA current fleet of 737).
Airbus is not building an A350-2000 because they consider the A350-1000 to be large enough. Airbus' Head of Marketing, Stan Shparberg, said that the A350-1000 is the company's flagship product.