The A350 is by far the most elegant and beautiful AND efficient wide body airplane on the market, the order books are full. Guess the will wait for Rolls Royce to come up with a new Trent or Ultra fan and then have a NEO version. And as a German, I absolutely love everything about AIRBUS dominating the sky over Boing 😎
It's not a simple issue about Airbus vs Boeing. It's about the engine manufacturer, availability of components, and reliability. Airlines that operate B787 with RR engine are suffering compared to those who chose a GE engine. Airlines that operate A320 neo with P&W engines are suffering. Gulf carriers like Emirates say that there is a a clear difference between A380s with GE vs RR engines in maintenance. Airbus 330neo and 350 series currently only offer RR engines, which is a huge complaint by many airlines.
1:46 - It would be hard to offer aerodynamic improvements. The A350 already has the most efficient winglets, sleek windshield design, and a very efficient wing. It's the most elegant and beautiful widebody airliner in production.
@@drewjamila3868 there's hardly a need to extend range. The -900ULR and also the Project Sunrise -1000 for Qantas already have way more range than most airlines will ever need. A NEO would all be about reducing operation costs/increasing efficiency/further reducing fuel consumption, with the latter two consequently increasing range as well as a bonus (same fuel capacity with less fuel burn = longer range)
Would be interesting if Rolls-Royce can develop and supply an engine derived from their UltraFan programme considering it promises around 10% more efficiency compared to the Trent XWB, perhaps for the A350neo beyond 2030.
Considering the youth of the 350 program, it is well worth slow walking any new engine options for this aircraft, because pretty much all the other NEO programs have been hit hard by development problems and in-service mechanical failures and issues. The tech is pushing up hard against some pretty fundamental physics limits, and while those are not insurmountable - if an engine OEM comes up with a flashy new product, the airframe would do well to test it very extensively before putting it on a plane and selling it to customers. Having new built aircraft sitting on the ground losing money because of unavailability of engines is not something anyone needs to repeat again.
'Not that hoary old chesnut', meaning an often repeated piece of nonsense. Airbus have no intention of producing an A350 Neo or -2000 right now. They've said so. The A350 has full order books, which even the anticipated increase in production cannot cope with. Yet Airbus are expecting further orders from both Emirates and Qatar, for example, and others, which will take deliveries up to 2030 and beyond. Airbus are not foolish enough to build an aircraft that competes with itself. However, its no secret at Airbus and RR, that a -2000, or whatever you want to call it, is being developed right now for the 2030s, once current orders have been fulfilled. If his project is announced before the B777X enters service, probably sometime in 2028, its going to make the then almost 10 year delayed Boeing project look like the 'dinosaur of the skies............'
2024. I flew on 52 flights and majority were on the a350 a380 787-10 and I can def say the a350 is just an awesome aircraft whether it is a two hour flight or long haul...it's just an amazing aircraft and I am glad Singapore Airlines is the largest operator of this aircraft and also the only operator of the a350 ulr❤
Good thought BUT they are having trouble with the engine plus its size is a problem for the A350- the undercarriage isn't tall enough plus it changes the angle of take off to prevent tail strike. Not so simple as might seem.
The best engines now are the Rolls Royce Ultrafan and bring a fuel save about 10%. We can expect a few aerodynamic improvements and a slightly lighter structure but I don't know if the consumption reduction will be sufficient. They should focus on -20% less consumption.
I suspect these talks were to push RR into investing in enhancements to their engines, they have done so, and I think Emirates is waiting to see the RR updates in the 350-1000 in operation ,before they place a large order.
They already recently introduced the NPS design with a revised wing and fuselage. If Airbus was pursuing a NEO, they would have pushed back the wing and fuselage revisions to be introduced alongside the new engine
All aircraft built have thousands of hours of discussion before building and often more afterwards. The histories of the DC2 to 7, DeHaviland Comet, Boeing 707, and its successors all show lots of discussion after building the first models. Let Airbus have it's discussions too. We can learn a lot that way. 😊
Good to see that Airbus Management are not resting on their laurels and continue to focus on making their current planes more efficient (thus improving the profit margin for their customers), in addition to working on clean-sheet design of new planes for the 2030's and beyond. Airbus Management are really earning their spurs, but are relatively cheap compared to the obscene compensation paid to their Boeing counterparts.
is there a reliable new engine that is worse doing the change ? Airbus can always add small improvements without creating a new variant. creating a new variant means something major has to be updated that requires a proper change in the flight agreement by the authorities, that has some financial consequences and is quite some work.
Airbus has been collaborating with Rolls Royce with their Ultrafan engine for a number of years now. After the demonstrator engine's first testing phase having been complete in 2024, it has been pegged as a significant minimum 10% fuel burn reduction over and above the Trent XWB engine. GEs Ge9X would be the only alternative option available for the A350's NEO especially within the next 5-10 years, however, the Ultrafan is quite literally a next generation engine.
Just so long as they don't make Boeing's mistake. If the neo version changes the plane's handling at all (as it likely would) then tell customers they need to properly retrain their pilots for it. Don't try dodgy software fixes to make it seem the same as the older 350.
I wonder where future 'economies' will be available - and might we be facing an era where airliner designs and new aircraft type development becomes static?
All those NEO, E2, NG and MAX already are representing a static aircraft type market. Advances in technology being adopted into some form of use are slowing down since the 1960s already, but it is now that we start to see the real impact. It has a reason why planes like the B-52 are still around, while more modern types supposed to replace them never made it in numbers. Basically, the costs are increasing massively, while the advantages are becoming less.
Ultrafan has been such a mystery... While it's existing marketing material sounds promising, I don't know how the aircraft manufacturers will deal with the even more heavier engines. And whether they'll be undermounted on current wing designs or maybe on a high wing design... So much mystery.
@ I don’t think it weighed more than a conventional hi-bypass. It just seemed to have a larger fan at a slower speed and use a lot of light weight composites. That’s just my understanding. It seems a blueprint for future engines, as does the incorporation of rotating detonation gas turbine designs like the military is reportedly now starting to use.
Airbus don't need to roll out new model, it's pretty fair practice that engine manufacturer roll out improved engine version for without new plane model, example, roll-royces roll out RB-211-524D replacing RB-211-524C with increased thrust from 229KN to 240KN which enable Cathay Pacific to launch non-stop route to Vancouver for first time that they serve North America(this free the airlines from ever need to beg for fifth freedom from Japan but ask for it from Canada, another Commonwealth countries).
Neo? The very obvious question is who's engine? RR's Ultra springs to mind BUT it's not even certified yet and is still years away. So as I said, who's engine? Airbus is obviously thinking that the 777x will EVENTUALLY arrive and they will need a better eco performance from the A350.
It makes sense for Airbus, as well as Boeing and Embraer, to be discussing future aircraft programs as part of their strategic plans. That doesn't mean that development of the future aircraft needs to start immediately though. Airbus will need to be thinking about the need for a clean sheet replacement to the A320 family and whether to commit to that before or after committing to an A350 NEO. One thing they will want to avoid is to be trying to certify multiple new or upgraded families at the same time. Airbus will also need to work through what it is going to do with the A220 family in the long-term. The A220 is a good aircraft but it doesn't fit into the Airbus design philosophy that seeks to minimise the impact of moving between the aircraft families. Airbus may also find itself under some political pressure to develop new or updated Defence aircraft such as an A330NEO MRTT and A320 based competitors to the P8 and E7.
A350NEO launching the Ultrafan would be hypes Next up: Airbus should remake the 747. Oh wait, the european giant of aviation is ALSO influenced by lobbyists trying to split us in rich class and poor class, they just popp'd out the a321xlr.
My thoughts are it would be pointless to release an A350neo, at this time as in right now as the A350-900 &1000 are already in service and the latest variant is the ULR (ultra long range). I can see maybe in the future maybe in 20-30 years time possibly this might be the right time. however this is just my point of view as I am not wholely against a new variant of the A350.
@@smoketinytomAir NZ would be keen on non stop Auckland-London. They pulled out of the Heathrow via LA run in 2020 citing too much competition on Heathrow- LA sector. With the historic links between NZ & UK, non stop Auckland to London Will be sustainable. 'Fun' would hardly be my adjective for a 20 odd hrs flight. Lol
This will force Boeing to modify the previous generation of Boeing 737 to be a hybrid. The fuselage and landing gear of the A320, but it has the nose and tail and wings of the Boeing 737-900 but the engines of the 737 Max and from that moment on it would be a hybrid of Boeing 737 and A320, far more economical than both could never be! It may cost Boeing a few million dollars but oh do the pluses outweigh the minuses, on top of all of this it would still be controlled manually and no MCAS because this time…THE ENGINES ARE PLACED ON THE WINGS PROBABLY!!! The final nail in the coffin for the Boeing 737 Max would be this hybrid could do something that not even it could achieve pilots can transition onto this hybrid with little to no additional training because again it’s still flown manually. It would be like flying The Next Gen all over again only this time more efficient because of the engines duh.
Well GE would be interested to muscle in on the action with Rolls Royce with the A350 and now Rolls Royce are looking for a home for the Uktrafan so they would also be talking to Airbus. We won't have an announcement whilst the 777X continues to be a "dumpster fire" because why would Airbus want the A350 have some risk associated with it when they can sell a ready to go solution. However when the 777X is certified Airbus will want to steal some of Boeing's glory by announcing that something better is just around the corner.
why "funnily enough"??? that is standard Airbus practice, the constant improvement of its products. that "funnily enough" can apply ONLY to Boeing. choose your words carefully.
What an absolute load of old tosh. A hugely successful aircraft with perfectly delivering engines. The most popular aircraft in its class. Keep pushing for newer, cheaper kit and you end up where Airbus and Boeing are today with literally hundreds of aircraft on the ground due to failing engines. Keep putting lives at risk.
The A350 is a funny plane. While the 787 has the more advanced fuelselage, it is so expensive to produce that any advantages over the more conventional construction of the A350 using new materials are more than negated. While its wings were cutting edge, the newer ones on the A330 are even better. Yet it is probably the most profitable, wide-bodied aircraft available today. Quantity is no guarantee of financial success, especially when coupled with far too many expensive 'quality escapes'. You can understand Airbus' reluctance to announce any significant upgrades. As for a neo (or whatever naming is in use at the time), the A350 is a recent clean-sheet design, with the potential for at least one major upgrade. We know that airframe improvements are cumulatively important, they can make that 2-3% difference that gives an aircraft an edge over the competition. But those improvements are rarely enough to justify the investment in a new model without the double figure improvements offered by the next generation of engines. I would not expect any announcements of a significant upgrade until new engines are developed. As for Airbus continuing with those small upgrades, that is quite different, and I would expect that there are still more to come. If it hadn't been for the exclusivity deal with RR, I would have thought of an additional engine option. Possibly one more suited to the hot and high conditions where the Trent XWB struggles. I suspect that while there may still be some potential in the Trent, it is reaching the end, and making way for whatever comes out of the Ultrafan project is inevitable.
Having said that, I would expect significant improvements to the A350 once the 777x is in service. The 'dash 2000 stretch' springs to mind, as does the introduction of folding wingtips. Not just to allow wingspan increases, but possibly even to allow the use of a smaller gate category with the savings made on each and every airport visit. This would be both a boost to the A350 and a problem for the 777x, as to spend even more on a way over budget aircraft would be difficult to justify or finance. I am not suggesting that the A350 would kill off the 777x at all, just start to eat into its future sales potential. It already has enough firm orders to justify its continued production for years to come as soon as it is fully certified.
Nobody knows how the GE9X will perform in airline service, as the B777X programme will now probably be delayed until 2027/8. Yet the XWB-97 performs well all around the world, not even Qatar are complaining about it..........
@@artrandy I am with you about not knowing how an engine will perform in service. I was just wondering how much further the Trent could be pushed, and if so, how much of a stretch that would equate to?
A NEO version of a new plane???????????????? Don't be proud of that statement, is actually embarrassing! To renovate an aircraft, it involves investing millions of dollars, in order to get to that point, means that the current one is a disappointment
Not really - as technology improves why not improve your aircraft. The A350 has been a major success …- not a disappointment at all. Far from it.They are introducing the A350-ULR as well as the A350-F.
I'm 100% a Boeing guy but that 350 borders on a work of art.
I used to be a Boeing guy......
But given everything that is happening within that company, and that have happened over the last few years......
airline mechanic here - why would you blindly support a company like that? support the product instead - if its good
The A350 is by far the most elegant and beautiful AND efficient wide body airplane on the market, the order books are full. Guess the will wait for Rolls Royce to come up with a new Trent or Ultra fan and then have a NEO version. And as a German, I absolutely love everything about AIRBUS dominating the sky over Boing 😎
It's not a simple issue about Airbus vs Boeing. It's about the engine manufacturer, availability of components, and reliability. Airlines that operate B787 with RR engine are suffering compared to those who chose a GE engine. Airlines that operate A320 neo with P&W engines are suffering. Gulf carriers like Emirates say that there is a a clear difference between A380s with GE vs RR engines in maintenance. Airbus 330neo and 350 series currently only offer RR engines, which is a huge complaint by many airlines.
1:46 - It would be hard to offer aerodynamic improvements. The A350 already has the most efficient winglets, sleek windshield design, and a very efficient wing. It's the most elegant and beautiful widebody airliner in production.
Yes! Dont fix it if its not broken. Maybe they can improve the range more but aerodynamics not sure. It’s already top notch
@@drewjamila3868 there's hardly a need to extend range. The -900ULR and also the Project Sunrise -1000 for Qantas already have way more range than most airlines will ever need. A NEO would all be about reducing operation costs/increasing efficiency/further reducing fuel consumption, with the latter two consequently increasing range as well as a bonus (same fuel capacity with less fuel burn = longer range)
@@andreasgottlieb2758How does that square with B787 in terms of efficiency and reducing carbon emmission?
A330 is more beautiful
@@_Alfa.Bravo_ beautiful but i guess a350 is one notch higher than a330
Would be interesting if Rolls-Royce can develop and supply an engine derived from their UltraFan programme considering it promises around 10% more efficiency compared to the Trent XWB, perhaps for the A350neo beyond 2030.
350 neo 1000 and 2000. Certified together. 350F neo? Bye-bye Boeing. Airbus quality. Aibus honesty. JAL, 100% survived. Thank you, Airbus.
Considering the youth of the 350 program, it is well worth slow walking any new engine options for this aircraft, because pretty much all the other NEO programs have been hit hard by development problems and in-service mechanical failures and issues.
The tech is pushing up hard against some pretty fundamental physics limits, and while those are not insurmountable - if an engine OEM comes up with a flashy new product, the airframe would do well to test it very extensively before putting it on a plane and selling it to customers.
Having new built aircraft sitting on the ground losing money because of unavailability of engines is not something anyone needs to repeat again.
'Not that hoary old chesnut', meaning an often repeated piece of nonsense. Airbus have no intention of producing an A350 Neo or -2000 right now. They've said so.
The A350 has full order books, which even the anticipated increase in production cannot cope with. Yet Airbus are expecting further orders from both Emirates and Qatar, for example, and others, which will take deliveries up to 2030 and beyond.
Airbus are not foolish enough to build an aircraft that competes with itself.
However, its no secret at Airbus and RR, that a -2000, or whatever you want to call it, is being developed right now for the 2030s, once current orders have been fulfilled. If his project is announced before the B777X enters service, probably sometime in 2028, its going to make the then almost 10 year delayed Boeing project look like the 'dinosaur of the skies............'
2024. I flew on 52 flights and majority were on the a350 a380 787-10 and I can def say the a350 is just an awesome aircraft whether it is a two hour flight or long haul...it's just an amazing aircraft and I am glad Singapore Airlines is the largest operator of this aircraft and also the only operator of the a350 ulr❤
A350 just beautiful, very nice aircraft
a 350 Neo with the GE 9x (the very same as for the 777X) would be epic .. that would allow for a 350 - 2000
I would think ground clearance would be an issue
Good thought BUT they are having trouble with the engine plus its size is a problem for the A350- the undercarriage isn't tall enough plus it changes the angle of take off to prevent tail strike. Not so simple as might seem.
A A350 Neo would be interesting
The best engines now are the Rolls Royce Ultrafan and bring a fuel save about 10%. We can expect a few aerodynamic improvements and a slightly lighter structure but I don't know if the consumption reduction will be sufficient. They should focus on -20% less consumption.
I suspect these talks were to push RR into investing in enhancements to their engines, they have done so, and I think Emirates is waiting to see the RR updates in the 350-1000 in operation ,before they place a large order.
i think an A350 NEO would be great and i would like to see airbus put an A 350 NEO togeather
They already recently introduced the NPS design with a revised wing and fuselage. If Airbus was pursuing a NEO, they would have pushed back the wing and fuselage revisions to be introduced alongside the new engine
All aircraft built have thousands of hours of discussion before building and often more afterwards. The histories of the DC2 to 7, DeHaviland Comet, Boeing 707, and its successors all show lots of discussion after building the first models. Let Airbus have it's discussions too. We can learn a lot that way. 😊
Good to see that Airbus Management are not resting on their laurels and continue to focus on making their current planes more efficient (thus improving the profit margin for their customers), in addition to working on clean-sheet design of new planes for the 2030's and beyond. Airbus Management are really earning their spurs, but are relatively cheap compared to the obscene compensation paid to their Boeing counterparts.
So general public are not getting any reduction in flight cost, We pay again.
Thank you Dj!!
Same aircraft with another engine option is a good choice to distance from RR and their engine's problems
Airbus has a huge backlog with an A350 orders, enough for the next 10 years.
is there a reliable new engine that is worse doing the change ?
Airbus can always add small improvements without creating a new variant. creating a new variant means something major has to be updated that requires a proper change in the flight agreement by the authorities, that has some financial consequences and is quite some work.
I think more powerful engines with a stretch would be the key factors.
Thanks DJ 😊. Happy New Year
Airbus has been collaborating with Rolls Royce with their Ultrafan engine for a number of years now. After the demonstrator engine's first testing phase having been complete in 2024, it has been pegged as a significant minimum 10% fuel burn reduction over and above the Trent XWB engine.
GEs Ge9X would be the only alternative option available for the A350's NEO especially within the next 5-10 years, however, the Ultrafan is quite literally a next generation engine.
Just so long as they don't make Boeing's mistake. If the neo version changes the plane's handling at all (as it likely would) then tell customers they need to properly retrain their pilots for it. Don't try dodgy software fixes to make it seem the same as the older 350.
Airbus is more practical and seamless than Boeing. it's a great history its building
The A350 has relatively new engines already. What new engine option is available now?
What's the direct competitor to the 777-9?
Engines will be introducing will be the General Electric GE9x
Not a chance. Airbus has been collaborating with Rolls Royce for with their Ultrafan engine for a number of years now.
Airbus don't need old technology bud. They want the benefit of the UltraFan tech from RR.............
I wonder where future 'economies' will be available - and might we be facing an era where airliner designs and new aircraft type development becomes static?
All those NEO, E2, NG and MAX already are representing a static aircraft type market.
Advances in technology being adopted into some form of use are slowing down since the 1960s already, but it is now that we start to see the real impact.
It has a reason why planes like the B-52 are still around, while more modern types supposed to replace them never made it in numbers.
Basically, the costs are increasing massively, while the advantages are becoming less.
Rolls Royce UltraFan engine
Or GE9x which is actually in production
Ultrafan has been such a mystery... While it's existing marketing material sounds promising, I don't know how the aircraft manufacturers will deal with the even more heavier engines. And whether they'll be undermounted on current wing designs or maybe on a high wing design... So much mystery.
@
I don’t think it weighed more than a conventional hi-bypass. It just seemed to have a larger fan at a slower speed and use a lot of light weight composites. That’s just my understanding. It seems a blueprint for future engines, as does the incorporation of rotating detonation gas turbine designs like the military is reportedly now starting to use.
I like your style
Yes it sounds right BUT its NOPT certified yet and is years away from production.
Airbus don't need to roll out new model, it's pretty fair practice that engine manufacturer roll out improved engine version for without new plane model, example, roll-royces roll out RB-211-524D replacing RB-211-524C with increased thrust from 229KN to 240KN which enable Cathay Pacific to launch non-stop route to Vancouver for first time that they serve North America(this free the airlines from ever need to beg for fifth freedom from Japan but ask for it from Canada, another Commonwealth countries).
New planes: 747X, MD-11-60, MD-12, 717-400
Neo? The very obvious question is who's engine? RR's Ultra springs to mind BUT it's not even certified yet and is still years away. So as I said, who's engine? Airbus is obviously thinking that the 777x will EVENTUALLY arrive and they will need a better eco performance from the A350.
After that get ready for the 787MAX
Perhaps they won't call it a MAX.
Hopefully if a Rolls Royce engine it stays on the wing longer than one quarter of a GE.
It makes sense for Airbus, as well as Boeing and Embraer, to be discussing future aircraft programs as part of their strategic plans. That doesn't mean that development of the future aircraft needs to start immediately though. Airbus will need to be thinking about the need for a clean sheet replacement to the A320 family and whether to commit to that before or after committing to an A350 NEO. One thing they will want to avoid is to be trying to certify multiple new or upgraded families at the same time. Airbus will also need to work through what it is going to do with the A220 family in the long-term. The A220 is a good aircraft but it doesn't fit into the Airbus design philosophy that seeks to minimise the impact of moving between the aircraft families. Airbus may also find itself under some political pressure to develop new or updated Defence aircraft such as an A330NEO MRTT and A320 based competitors to the P8 and E7.
Embraer will be filling those market holes that Airbus & Boeing are not fulfilling.
COMAC has also begun to produce fine quality aircraft.
I think Airbus needs to work down its backlog before it seriously looks at another variant.
A320 composite is coming
Just bought airbus stock ...
A350NEO launching the Ultrafan would be hypes
Next up: Airbus should remake the 747. Oh wait, the european giant of aviation is ALSO influenced by lobbyists trying to split us in rich class and poor class, they just popp'd out the a321xlr.
My thoughts are it would be pointless to release an A350neo,
at this time as in right now as the A350-900 &1000 are already in service and the latest variant is the ULR (ultra long range).
I can see maybe in the future maybe in 20-30 years time possibly this might be the right time.
however this is just my point of view as I am not wholely against a new variant of the A350.
This is what airbus is doing. But they would not release any more info about their 350 NEOs....
good imagination
What is the saving to the public or is it going all to planes company. No body seems to be saying anything about savings for the public flyers.
Airlines always seeking efficiency-- better fuel economy= longer range. Not only will Sydney-London finally be practical-- try Auckland-London...
Auckland to London would be fun, but, is there that high demand from them directly, or would they hop to Aus and get a Long Haul from there?
@@smoketinytomAir NZ would be keen on non stop Auckland-London. They pulled out of the Heathrow via LA run in 2020 citing too much competition on Heathrow- LA sector. With the historic links between NZ & UK, non stop Auckland to London Will be sustainable. 'Fun' would hardly be my adjective for a 20 odd hrs flight. Lol
This will force Boeing to modify the previous generation of Boeing 737 to be a hybrid.
The fuselage and landing gear of the A320, but it has the nose and tail and wings of the Boeing 737-900 but the engines of the 737 Max and from that moment on it would be a hybrid of Boeing 737 and A320, far more economical than both could never be!
It may cost Boeing a few million dollars but oh do the pluses outweigh the minuses, on top of all of this it would still be controlled manually and no MCAS because this time…THE ENGINES ARE PLACED ON THE WINGS PROBABLY!!!
The final nail in the coffin for the Boeing 737 Max would be this hybrid could do something that not even it could achieve pilots can transition onto this hybrid with little to no additional training because again it’s still flown manually.
It would be like flying The Next Gen all over again only this time more efficient because of the engines duh.
Well GE would be interested to muscle in on the action with Rolls Royce with the A350 and now Rolls Royce are looking for a home for the Uktrafan so they would also be talking to Airbus. We won't have an announcement whilst the 777X continues to be a "dumpster fire" because why would Airbus want the A350 have some risk associated with it when they can sell a ready to go solution. However when the 777X is certified Airbus will want to steal some of Boeing's glory by announcing that something better is just around the corner.
PWG still rules EFFICIENCY
... says who ?
Is it AI script?
350 neo is a Boeing KILLER. Back to manufacturing paper airplanes, Boeing.
Could there be a Airbus A350-2000 NEO ULR with a Range that allowes flights from Frankfurt to Auckland?
why "funnily enough"??? that is standard Airbus practice, the constant improvement of its products. that "funnily enough" can apply ONLY to Boeing. choose your words carefully.
What an absolute load of old tosh. A hugely successful aircraft with perfectly delivering engines. The most popular aircraft in its class. Keep pushing for newer, cheaper kit and you end up where Airbus and Boeing are today with literally hundreds of aircraft on the ground due to failing engines. Keep putting lives at risk.
Airbus will decide to launch a Neo version if the B777-9 eats orders from the -1000 variant....
When is that going to be...😀😀...?
Not going to lie this seems like a total non video, seeming to bash Airbus for doing something that is totally normal.
The A350 is a funny plane. While the 787 has the more advanced fuelselage, it is so expensive to produce that any advantages over the more conventional construction of the A350 using new materials are more than negated.
While its wings were cutting edge, the newer ones on the A330 are even better.
Yet it is probably the most profitable, wide-bodied aircraft available today. Quantity is no guarantee of financial success, especially when coupled with far too many expensive 'quality escapes'.
You can understand Airbus' reluctance to announce any significant upgrades.
As for a neo (or whatever naming is in use at the time), the A350 is a recent clean-sheet design, with the potential for at least one major upgrade.
We know that airframe improvements are cumulatively important, they can make that 2-3% difference that gives an aircraft an edge over the competition.
But those improvements are rarely enough to justify the investment in a new model without the double figure improvements offered by the next generation of engines.
I would not expect any announcements of a significant upgrade until new engines are developed. As for Airbus continuing with those small upgrades, that is quite different, and I would expect that there are still more to come.
If it hadn't been for the exclusivity deal with RR, I would have thought of an additional engine option. Possibly one more suited to the hot and high conditions where the Trent XWB struggles. I suspect that while there may still be some potential in the Trent, it is reaching the end, and making way for whatever comes out of the Ultrafan project is inevitable.
Having said that, I would expect significant improvements to the A350 once the 777x is in service.
The 'dash 2000 stretch' springs to mind, as does the introduction of folding wingtips. Not just to allow wingspan increases, but possibly even to allow the use of a smaller gate category with the savings made on each and every airport visit.
This would be both a boost to the A350 and a problem for the 777x, as to spend even more on a way over budget aircraft would be difficult to justify or finance.
I am not suggesting that the A350 would kill off the 777x at all, just start to eat into its future sales potential. It already has enough firm orders to justify its continued production for years to come as soon as it is fully certified.
Bro you sound like chatGPT
Nobody knows how the GE9X will perform in airline service, as the B777X programme will now probably be delayed until 2027/8. Yet the XWB-97 performs well all around the world, not even Qatar are complaining about it..........
@soulsbourne Never used it or anything like it!
Very much old school.
@@artrandy I am with you about not knowing how an engine will perform in service.
I was just wondering how much further the Trent could be pushed, and if so, how much of a stretch that would equate to?
Ge engines are best in the world compare to hopeless British Rolls Royce 😅😅
Very good news. After 5 years A350-NEO and A350-2000 (depending on the success of 777X)
would probably need the Ultrafan....but I'd say this isn't gonna be certified for another 5-10 years.
The RR Ultrafan is a proven demonstration. GE has nothing to match it. It's GE 9X is exclusive to the 777' so how do you claim GE is ahead?
Airbus could probably certify an A350NEO before Boeing gets the B777X certified.
Your first viewer in this video 😊 if itll exist maybe its a good opportunity too
I hope it’s never released
Why do you do ridiculous speculation like this?
A NEO version of a new plane???????????????? Don't be proud of that statement, is actually embarrassing! To renovate an aircraft, it involves investing millions of dollars, in order to get to that point, means that the current one is a disappointment
Not really - as technology improves why not improve your aircraft. The A350 has been a major success …- not a disappointment at all. Far from it.They are introducing the A350-ULR as well as the A350-F.
A330 Neo and A320 Neo are improved variants of already successful A330 and A320.
Having said that I believe it is early for a "neo" version of A350.
A 350neo will marginalize Boeings 777X even before it has done its first flight.