From Rorschach Test to Time Clock: The Zapruder Film
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2015
- Author and journalist Max Holland traced the tangled history of the most famous yet misunderstood piece of evidence from the assassination of President John F. Kennedy: the 26.6 second long film made by Dallas businessman Abraham Zapruder.
The opinions and viewpoints expressed here are those of the presenter(s), not The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza.
Note: The question-and-answer portion of this program has been edited for time.
This presentation took place at the Museum on May 7, 2015. To see related films, photos, documents and oral histories from The Sixth Floor Museum's collection, visit our online collections database (emuseum.jfk.org). Or make a research appointment to explore the books, DVDs and other materials available in the Museum's Reading Room (www.jfk.org/go/reading-room).
There is a museum for where nothing occurred.
'The museum of nothing". that would be an interesting visit.
The thing that really trips me up: Everyone I listen to sounds reasonable in that moment. Then I hear the other side and they sound reasonable. I would love to see a debate on each point of contention, where the "evidence" offered by each side is examined and affirmed or debunked.
look up America's untold stories. Start with Did LBJ kill JFK
Conspiracy theorists never agree to debate, because they know they will be exposed as the baboons they are.
Vast, vast majority of conspiracy buffs (like I was for 30 years until 2017) have never read a single counter conspiracy book, therefore the media-sphere is filled with those points un-rebutted. I have owned and read dozens of conspiracy books and that view was reinforced by Stone’s movie and other documentaries. What people really need to do is read the Warren report or HSCA report cover to cover. The random, undeserved dismissal of official investigations (Warren, Dallas police, autopsy, FBI etc) is done with no evidence and no logical backing…just with suspicion. Just because the CIA and fbi had done dirty tricks in the past, doesn’t mean they did in this case, and no evidence of this is given by conspiracists…only suspicion. When I believed in conspiracy I thought Oliver Stone wouldn’t lie because it would be so easy to fact check him (yet I never did) and so damaging to the ‘cause’. The official fact based version of events can be found in 3 main sources…Warren, HSCA and Bugliosi’s brilliant summary tome of a book.
Bugliosi’s book does this…examines a conspiracy claim and presents the evidence against it, then goes on to the next claim
Problem is EVERY 5 and 10 years, to make $$$$, people introduce NEW theories and so called NEW information, which MOST of it is garbage, but again it's all about $$$$$.....I checked a number of years ago, and there was around 88 THEORIES on what happened...EIGHTY EIGHT!!!!!!!! smh Mostly SNAKE OIL salesman exaggerating or adding details which never happened....
One bullet explodes on impact, one bullet travels through 2 bodies and is in near perfect condition to be recovered as evidence.
The claim the exploding bullet was due to it hitting the bone in the skull, yet the other hit bone also, why such a dramatic difference. Have tests been done on these bullets to prove they explode when hitting a human skull ?
Bullets are weird, man. Watch some Paul Harrell videos. Shoot a box of ammo at the same target and you'll get a range of results. They can vary greatly from shot to shot, but if you shoot enough of them you'll see tendencies toward a certain behavior.
@@darkbeach72 Seen enough bullets to know how they react, various rounds and types. But my views come from experts who reviewed the evidence in detail, forensic specialists with very strong experience and qualifications. Multiple shooters and the key 2 shots from front, NOT the back. Its all there if you want to read it, Its settled my mind once and for all. Very complete and detailed analysis very impressive.
firing a 45 at a backdrop sometimes they shred apart and sometimes theyre unharmed outside of rifling marks.
dont care what the "experts" say. thats just how things are.
The direction of the show is the key point. That should be easy to determine ?
Bullet is not pristine, it is badly crushed at the nose.
I don't know if Mr. Holland is covering up for the powers-that-be or if he has tunnel vision. With any murder, especially with a political assassination, there is context as well as the crime scene. Mr. Holland is only interested in the crime scene. He says nothing about the acoustic recording that shows at least four shots. He says nothing about the Parkland physicians who, to the man, said that there was a frontal shot that was fatal. He says nothing about Deputy Roger Craig's testimony and mysterious death. He says nothing about how the president's body was illegally and forcibly removed from the hospital. He says nothing about the botched autopsy at Bethesda Hospital. He says nothing about how the real head of the Warren Commission was ex-CIA Director Allen Dulles and how John J. McCloy, a Rockefeller man, played a principle role in the cover-up. Instead, Holland concocts yet another Arlen-Spector-type theory on how Oswald fired three shots in now eleven, not six, seconds. The question should not be about Oswald in Dallas but the powers-that-be in New York City in 1963. Similarly, the question should not be about Booth in Washington, D.C. but the powers-that-be in New York City throughout 1864 till mid-April 1865.
Well put !!
The doctors at Bethesda, had never done a gun shot autopsy in their entire career!
💯 agreed
Mr. Holland mentioned that the so-called dicta-belt recording were total bunk - if you search that a bit, you'll see there were no actual sounds recorded, it was a machine showing noise levels. It didn't amount to anything. Unfortunately this is pretty much the only reason the House Select Committee in 1978 said possible conspiracy. It's nothing. The rest of your message was just full of non facts - stories, nothing more.
Well put...They're doing the same thing with the JFK removal that they did with "Honest Abe"... There is so much more behind
the Civil War and the role played by so many members of the same families that were involved in Dallas , (And many more).
The only interest Lincoln had in slavery was to increase it 1,000 fold with desperate Europeans. Had the south succeeded in
secession , it would have been entirely constitutional. But the North went on to crush the Southern Spirit, much like Dresden
after WW2...Because they knew they would surely lose any engagement with a people of Spirit...
Holland’s answer to the question re. the comment by Parkland medical
attendances that a bulllet entered from the front was wrong because they didn’t
see JFK’s back. What Holland leaves out is that Parkland medical authorities
would have seen JFK’s back but also the front of his head where Dr. McClellan
believed the bullet that killed JFK entered. Had JFK’s body not been illegally
removed, Parkland medical authorities would have been able to make a complete
examination of the wounds.
If Doctor McClellan believed a bullet entered the FRONT of JFK'S head, he was WRONG. Not only did NO Parkland doctor examine the wounds, they never saw the entrance wound in the back. He is also wrong because there were ONLY THREE SHOTS which is easy to prove but ALL three came from the rear and from the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository using an Italian Carcano bolt action rifle which belonged to Oswald. All of this is easily proved and confirmed by several investigations including the 1978 House Committee on Assassinations and the Warren Commission. You are aware that all bullet fragments have been linked ballisticly to Oswald's rifle including the magic bullet CE399 to the exclusion of all other guns.
@@boblackey1 How can it be seen other than that overt criminal acts occurred immediately after the death of President John F. Kennedy and that the purpose of these acts was to prevent the true discovery of his murderers, to wit:
Taking JFK’s body out of the State of Texas by members of the Secret Service before it was legally released by Texas official medical authorities violated Texas state law. Confiscating evidence, including films, the limousine, etc. by members of the Secret Service or others posing as members of the Secret Service also violated Texas state law.
That the City of Dallas, the County of Dallas and the State of Texas police and other Texas state officials did not resist or even object to these thefts was a dereliction of duty by these governing authorities. The highest authorities in the Federal government by their actions, specifically the President, the head of the FBI and the Warren Commission demonstrated complicity in these illegal acts.
Questions, as far I know that have never been asked but need to be: Who initially ordered this theft of JFK’s body and this evidence? And regardless of who gave the order, even if it was the highest authority of the Federal government: Why did these secret service personnel commit these illegal acts?
Clint Hill, and other secret service agents on active duty at the time of this murder, obviously party to these illegal acts, owe the nation answers to these questions to the extent they are able to do so. State of Texas authorities, those at the State, County and City, having never acknowledged these violations of Texas State law, as a minimum, need to acknowledge these wrongs.
From these acts alone, there can be no conclusion other than that the Federal government authorities were complicit in these violations of Texas state law, and foremost amongest these responsible for these violations was the newly sworn-in President. Also complicit in these violations were: the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) and those comprising the Warren Committee. Not only did these not so much as censure these crimes, the former gave direct orders to Dallas law officials that all evidence associated with the murder of the President was to be given to the FBI; and, as far as can be determined from that placed in the public domain, the latter either accepted the evidence as it was placed before them without questioning its authenticity or discounted any and all evidence that did not fit with their conclusion that Lee H. Oswald was the lone assassin.
Consistent with these illegal acts are credible testimonies that: 1) JFK’s body was tampered with from the time it left Parkland Hospital and its arrival at Bethesda Hospital; and 2) The Zapruder film was tampered with prior to it being placed in the evidentiary file and definitely before it was released for public viewing. Beyond these testimonies is the conclusion by Dr. McClelland, the first to see the massive head wound, that the shot that killed the President entered from the front. These only add to the lack of truthfulness that can be assigned to the official version on the JFK assassination, specifically, these facts alone deny the Warren Commission report authenticity.
The consequence of these violations by these Federal government officials and these credible testimonies is that it is not possible for reasonable people to accept the official version that the assassination of President Kennedy was by Lee H. Oswald acting solely on his own. This does not mean that this killing was a conspiracy nor does it mean that this killing was not by a lone assassin and that that assassin was Lee H. Oswald. What it means is that we cannot know the truth of this historical event nor can we have confidence in the honesty of our government officials.
Even at this late time, those in authority in the State of Texas should as a minimum acknowledge that these acts by the secret service were crimes against the people of the State of Texas. More appropriately these authorities should prosecute to the extent Texas state law allows all of the secrete service personnel still living that were involved in these thefts and any and all others that can be shown to be complicit in these thefts. And this obviously should be done ASAP.
@@Jim75793 I totally agree with you. However, let me tell you I am a retired deputy. I started as a deputy about two years after Kennedy was killed. What you say about the law is TRUE. NO ONE had the authority to remove Kennedy's body from the hospital or from the State of Texas, or remove the evidence from the Dallas Police Dept. However, i understand the thinking of cops at the time, though it was WRONG. Many police in that day looked up to the Federal authorities such as the FBI and the Secret Service. There were many police who considered the Feds as having higher authority than the local police.
I KNEW that was not true and in 1967 had a debate with an FBI agent and I told him, "YOU and the FBI have no authority over me or this case (the one I happened to be working on at the time)". And I told him if you doubt what I say then go talk to my Sgt. He never did because he knew that I was right. But they usually get away with throwing their weight around, and snowing other cops into thinking that they (Federal Agents) have more authority in the pecking order than a bunch of dumb local cops. It's all B.S. that they usually get away because the local cops are ignorant and don't want to rock the boat. Me, I was a boat rocker.
@@lacyron There are overwhelmingly positive evidences against lbj,and nixon. Only the fingerprints of mac wallace 100 % could traced back to lbj. Who 's mac wallace? He's key hitman of lbj.
Who's allen dulles ?
He's an honest underling of ghw bush . He was fired by JFK in case of bay of pigs and operation zapata.
@@nomadicgringo9312 You know they say George H. Bush had nothing to do with any of this, and he claims he does not remember where he was when JFK was killed. There was a memo from the CIA at that time with the name George Bush on it, indicating Bush worked for the CIA. But George Bush and the CIA denied it all.
However, George Bush owned an oil company name ZAPATA and two of the ships used in the Bay of Pigs were named Zapata and Barbara. Barbara being George's wife and Zapata the name of his oil company. JUST a coincidence, right? YEAH, LOL...
Oswald didn't shoot anything. No residue on him. Plus calmly having coke on 2nd floor.
And no Oswald prints anywhere on gun until after he died and and the funeral home said the fbi came and left ink under oswalds nails
That's absolutely correct,so who did besides Malcolm Wallace ,who fingerprints were found on the sixth floor of the Texas Book Depository,where Lee H.Oswald was allegedly supposed to. Malcom Wallace is known to be very closely associated with LBJ for dark deeds to put things mildly
@@michaelwoodward9894 this should be taught in hi school. People should understand the past is to figure out now and the future. Our gvnmnt keeps everybody very uneducated.
I’m sorry but you are misguided. Oswald obviously shot a gun that day-the one he used to kill Tippit (with 11 witnesses to that act!)
Also gun shot residue (GSR), or paraffin tests, of the time, prove consistently unreliable with regard to determining if someone shot a firearm.
‘Scientific experts concur in the view that the paraffin test has proved extremely unreliable in use. It can only establish the presence or absence of nitrates or nitrites on the hand; still, the test alone cannot determine whether the source of the nitrates or nitrites was the discharge of a firearm.’
So, your comment has at least two big problems.
@@karimC35
Nope…
‘On November 22, however, before surrendering possession of the rifle to the FBI Laboratory, Lieutenant Day of the Dallas Police Department had "lifted" a palmprint from the underside of the gun barrel "near the firing end of the barrel about 3 inches under the woodstock when I took the woodstock loose." 52’
National Archives
The fact that the 6th Floor would not allow the display of Matt Shaw's material on Dorthy Kilgallen and Jack Ruby is wrong on so many levels. It's clearly in their financial best interest to support the single shooter theory.
Oh yeah.......It's about money. What's not in the USA?
Matt Shaw is just another conspiracy theorist. His material shouldn't be anywhere near the 6th Floor. Dorothy Kilgallen was not murdered...PERIOD. That's based upon the best forensic evidence (and it was reviewed recently and debunked once again).
You got yer head up yer, well, you know
Hilarious paranoia. That's right, the conspiracy is alive and well and still shaking spineless victims down 59 years later.... lol
I find it disturbing that an assassin who would commit the crime from his place of work. This seems unlikely for a sole assassin who presumably wishes to escape as Oswald appears to have done; but it would be perfect for the creation of a "patsy" by a conspiracy.
@Clyde Cessna: The crime was one of impulse and opportunity. No one knew the presidential motorcade would pass by the TSBD when Oswald got his job there on October 15. The route was not published until November 19, three days before the assassination. When Oswald read about it, he made sure he brought his rifle to work the next day. The "patsy" remark concerned his being harassed by the DPD for having lived in the Soviet Union, and was not a reference to any conspiracy. When reporters asked Oswald if he had killed the President, he replied, “No, they’ve taken me in because of the fact that I lived in the Soviet Union. I’m just a patsy.”
@@apointofinterest8574 agree with everything you stated. Wonder how many of these conspiracy buffs (like I was for thirty years) have even read one opposing book, Warren report, HSCA, Bugliosi etc. I’ll bet not one of them have read even a single book
Oswald fled after his attempt at Walker just like JFK. He would have wanted not to be caught, but his life was pathetic. He beat Marina regularly and was separated from her. She spurned him the night before the assassination. He lost three jobs in the 12 months prior to Nov 22. He was so dumb that he put a reference from the job he was fired from in New Orleans on his first job application when he got to Dallas in October two months before the assassination and a month before getting the job at TSBD. What kind of idiot puts a reference of the previous job you got fired from.
@@billkeon880 I'll drink to that. Bugliosi himself, tells how he had to read (slog thru) all the major conspiracy books in order to be able to write his own "Reclaiming History." That knowledge and understanding of the 'other side' is something the conspiracists clearly lack.
Oswald shooting from the window of his work place, not bothering to cover his face, prevent prints, let himself be seen carrying the rifle into the building, etc etc, is consistent with a guy who is doing a desperate, even suicidal-like act. That's what lone nuts do, like Charles Guiteau, Leon Czolgosz, Mark David Chapman, John Hinckley Jr. (failed).
Hey if I donate to the museum will you promise to use it to buy a pop filter for your lectern's microphone?
Oswald shot NOBODY,I doubt he ever fired a shot at Walker
The bullet fired at Walker was 30.06 - not from a 6.5 mannlicher carcano.
@Owen Thorsen The police report. The bullet was described as steel jacketed 30.06.
watch the witnesses swear it was him. Believe in reality.
Is that why he immediately fled the plaza, was ID'd shooting a cop, was caught trying to shoot a second cop, lied about his whereabouts during the assassination, refused to cooperate, refused help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association, acted so smug he even convinced his own brother he was guilty, and just shrugged a hollow, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?"
There were several copies made of the Zapruder film. The chain of possession of each copy is in doubt.
Also no chain of custody for the bullets either.
@@terrikay4622 1
@@crystal890 1 what?
three copies. CIA, FBI, and ZAP family. Zero issues
@@darrell6800 Oh yes ? So do the Zapruder family still have their copy ? Which copies were kept by Time/Life (General Charles Douglas Jackson)
His very last statement about the head shot being from the rear is completely opposite of Dr. Cryil Wecht's hypotheses pertaining to the fatal head shot. Dr Wecht also states that the 2 lead Pathologists at Bethesda were extremely inept at best for a litney of reasons. Dr Wecht's argument is very compelling.
I have met him several times, and seen him lecture bc I live in Allegheny County. When I was a child, my mother and father got a divorce, I had to fly back and forth from Pittsburgh to Maine frequently. I always sat first class, bc my father had endless free miles. No lie .. No lie, I sat next to him one trip, n at the time , n still to this day, the JFK assassination intrigues the hell out of me. I picked his brain for 5 -6 minutes , n then left him alone. However , as an adult I have also met him , listened to him speak, YT his vids, and I have to say that the man is a total pompous narcissist. Sorry bro. Just facts. I use to love those trips bc every time us kids flew to Maine (and it was a lot) , we used to love gliding past the WTC's and the NY skyline.
Wecht is a clown. All evidence clearly demonstrates the head shot is from the rear.
Kennedy had a cratered entrance wound in the back of his skull, an impossible shot from the knoll but a clear and direct one from Oswald's window. The bullet caused an explosion out at the right temple, also a ludicrous scenario from a shot from the knoll.
@@aaronz7056 He is a narcissistic, pompous, ass. I live in Pittsburgh, and have to see him on TV, and he was a professor of mine for 2 courses, at Pitt. However, was one of the first to find CTE, and we both don't know what the hell happened with JFK.
@@adamchewy2284 Oddly enough another conspiracy theorist (David Lifton) told me Cyril was a massive attention seeking narcissist and apparently Cyril's Father helped feed that narcissism.
Dr. Wecht should never be listened too. He's a devious liar.
From Rohrshach to Horsesh**. Zapruder did film the whole thing but the Secret Service was running around with the film over the weekend to special photo labs and they cooked up an edited version to protect the guilty.
There isn't a shred of proof for that. To the contrary the film has been examined by experts including the Kodak lab and it has not been doctored. ALL conspiracy theories are complete BS!! 3 shots all from the 6th floor from an Italian bolt action rifle which belong to Lee Oswald who acted alone to kill JFK.
@@boblackey1 There is a video on youtube. Some guy from a JFK archives and he interviews the guy who was called in on Saturday to make story boards with photos from the Zapruder film. But another team was called in on Sunday and made different storyboards. It was kept secret that two different versions had been made. The second set of story boards still exists, or at least some of them do. You have no proof Oswald shot anyone. He worked in that building.
@@watermelonlalala The Warren Comission and the 1978 House Committee on Assassination as well as others concluded Oswald killed President Kennedy!!! There are NO story boards. The Zapruder film is AUTHENTIC from start to finish. That has also been confirmed by experts. You have bought into conspiracy theories LIES. It will 58 YEARS this November since Oswald killed Krnnedy and not ONE conspiracy theory has worked or solved anything. Of course Oswald worked at the Depository. That is how he had access to the 6th floor where he fired the three shots.
@@boblackey1 If that's true, why would an assassin who's hellbent on killing the president wait until the limousine is driving AWAY from him down Elm Street with a tree and a street sign possibly obstructing his view, when he had an unobstructed view of the president coming TOWARDS him before the limousine made the left turn. Not only did Oswald have a better view but Oswald would have had more time to get off more shots, if needed.
@@joesmith8398 Because the police and secret service were heading toward Oswald too. Best to wait until they turn the corner and drive away from the snipers window. As it was photographer Bob Jackson did look up as he had not turned the corner and saw the rifle before it was pulled inside. And Harold Norman on the 5th floor just under the snipers window heard the three shots loud just over his head plus the bolt being worked three times and three spent shell casings hit the floor over Norman's head.
Imagine ignoring modern day forensic science and ballistics and still believing Oswald acted alone.
Imagine a world full of conspiracy theorists.
Actually, you have to ignore modern day forensic science and ballistics to believe Oswald DIDN’T act alone...
It’s conspiracy fact now Johan Johansson!
They all support the Warren Commission though...
2 people in the know discuss an event, yet the narrative is way off… Conspiracy? Conspiracy theorist is a made up term. Always question, or be ignorant
This is fascinating and also has asmr qualities too!
Pictures don’t lie. But they don’t necessarily tell the “truth” either. Or explain anything. They simply capture a moment in time…just my humble opinion.
It’s very difficult to hit a small target with a rifle, even harder when it’s moving. Harder still if you’re gonna pull off the crime of the century. I guess one line but could do it (in theory), but who the hell could pull off a cover up for the last 60 years? If there’s nothing to hide, then why in God’s name is there still documents and information being withheld from being released to the public after all this time?
If you can’t smell something rotten with all this, you simply haven’t been paying attention.
When you step on the brake.... Your head goes forward.
When you step on the accelerator.... Your head goes back.
Limo was slowed way down to an almost stop you see blood an matter going backwards an you see Jackie climb out of seat an when secret service jumps on trunk then driver speeds away. The last awful shot clearly happened before limo sped away. Super slow motion that can be seen
A human body is going to react to a bullet hitting it according to physics. This guy totally contradicted this fact of the real world.
You totally missed the point that his head DID react to the bullet hitting it according to physics; when the bullet hit the back of his head, his head was knocked forward - and the debris from the top right of his head is plainly visible in the Z Film flying FORWARD. If he'd been hit from the front left, there would've been an exit wound on the other side. His upper body jerked back as a muscle spasm; a bullet cannot throw you back like that.
@@peterfraser9070 You've convinced me to quit wasting my time listening to this crap.
Why did Jackie climb on the back of the limo? Answer: to retrieve a piece of JFK's skull, which she handed to one of the doctors at Parkland hospital. Why would the skull fragment be behind JFK if he was shot from the back?
@@andywinger4197 it was a piece of brain - doctor Ronald Jones said - and as is shown in the Z Film, big pieces of skull visibly fly forward. It was quite a head explosion, and blood n' brains (gross) also flew behind. The Connollys said they had it on them, as well as on the hood of the car. Bullet fragments were in front too.
@@peterfraser9070 Kind of like an exploding bullet? Don't believe everything you read on this subject; there's lots of disinformation. There are still people trying to convince the world that Oswald was a lone shooter. You may be one of those people. Oswald was a lone patsy.
@@andywinger4197 try watching the film and don't be confused by CT docs like you usually watch. They are garbage.
The security team were out boozing till 5 am that very morning.......
Bit of an exaggeration.
Ignore that comment. I posted that before i saw the whole talk.
you are allowed to edit or remove your own comments.
Last shot head goes dramatically backwards to show the shot came from the front. It’s velocity and basic physics that u can’t change. Shot came from in front of jfk.
That would mean someone fired from the railway bridge, which didn't happen.
There were several people on that bridge and not one of them said the shot or shots came from where they were standing.
@@arthur1658 no one fired from the overpass and no one claims such a thing , well no on ewith any level of proper research . when most people say front they mean RIGHT front or knoll area . but many are not clear when expressing that .
There are two or three frames as the bullet passes through JFK’s head where his head in fact jerks forward by several inches and then jerks backward do to spasm and the jet effect of the explosive ejection from the front and side of his head. His head goes away initially from the shot from behind. There is also visible matter which is thrown up and forward away from shot into the back of the head. The shot did not come from the front or from the grassy knoll but from behind.
what a funny joke
Kennedy's massive exit wound seen exploding at the temple is consistent only with a shot from behind.
Connally's said the shots came from behind.
Witnesses directly under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead.
All bullets and fragments were matched to Oswald's rifle.
Autopsy shows the shots came from behind.
Parkland doctors had no particular problem with the autopsy photos.
It's vastly implausible anybody would assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions.
Warren omission report would make some great toilet paper if you need it for the next pandemic.
How would you know you didnt fing read it.
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Almost can just use the Constitution!
@John Walker: If the WC report is 'toilet paper,' think what that makes the "Conspiracy Report." If pro-conspiracy side ever compiled a report (which they never will), it would most nearly resemble: the undigested food, proteins, bacteria, salts, and other substances that are produced and released by intestines through the anus.
@@apointofinterest8574 you are full of what you say there
WC report is garbage and everyone has known this a long time
This presentation ignores the debate over the authenticity of the Zapruder film. MANY indications that it is altered. See, for example, James Fetzer's book "The Great Zapruder Film Hoax," Doug Horne's "Two NPIC Events," and my own research into anomalies of the film (such as JFK's too large forearm rising IN FRONT of Connally's seat back at frame 226, and the limo flag IN FRONT of the "waving" bystander at frame 227, among others). The "Rorschach Test" inherent in the film is deliberate obfuscation. Holland's trust in the film is misplaced.
Good post. Most people though can look at this film and see JFK's whole upper torso was driven back and to the left-same direction as the Bullet from right front.
@@rogeeeferrari Dont waste your time with Termsofservice. He or she is nothing but a government paid troll. He works hard at telling everyone, dont believe your eyes. Believe the fi tion know as The Warren Commission and all the other so called Federal investigations! Thats where you find the truth! Yeah right!
Hilarious paranoia.
I have a hard time believing the traffic light post was the same one after 50 years. A jacketed bullet ricocheting off a lamp post would leave an obvious mark.
It does not matter they know one shot missed
@@randyharris3175 It DOES matter. Because how did they know where the shot came from if it hit the lamp post.
@@_insertusername_2464 ofcourse it came from.Oswald theyre not absolutely surevit hit the pole
@@randyharris3175 I did not understand your comment.
@@_insertusername_2464 The bullet deflected off a tree branch. Ricocheted off a traffic light. Then hit the curb near James Tague over by the old triple underpass. This was the first of two 'magic bullets' that were fired that day.
If there is anyone one still left that believes the results of the Warren Commission findings you must not question anything. There is so much wrong with what went on in that group that it’s appalling. From the terrible way the body was handled, to the explanations of the wounds, to the super fast and furious way the whole entire thing was pinned on a poor shot(Oswald), there is absolutely no way any of it happened the way the commission said. Way off.
And all credible evidence still points right at Oswald.
And there’s nothing you can point to that will refute the clear evidence that three shots came from the Sixth Floor. Missed shot, back/throat/Conley shot, and head shot.
These are the six panels the WC established to conduct its inquiry:
What did Oswald do on November 22, 1963?
What was Oswald’s background?
What did Oswald do in the U.S. Marine Corps, and in the Soviet Union?
How did Ruby kill Oswald?
What is Ruby’s background?
What efforts were taken to protect the President on November 22?
There's something missing. I'll let you guess what that could be, but WC shills will never get it.
Oswald 100 percent did this. It's overwhelming evidence and impossible for any conspiracy once you see just how much was left to chance and just dumb luck. Warren Commission pretty much got it right
@@soonermagic6196 I'm still awaiting the day any conspiracy theorist explains how some evil coup went around approaching scores of police, FBI, Secret Service, CIA, military personnel, doctors, witnesses, x-ray technicians, ballistics experts, journalists, whole commissions, and persuaded them all to obey illegal orders to commit crimes and make themselves all accessories to murder and treason.
The first shot was just after they turned the corner
... which would be logical. It was the optimal moment. The president’s car was going at its slowest speed and angular velocity almost zero relative to the shooter. I hadn’t heard about a shot at that time, but I have always wondered why Oswald, or whoever else, didn’t fire at that moment.
If it was Oswald Kennedy would have been shot before the turn onto elm
@@iannonsuch8086 there’s a witness that said he heard the first shot at the turn I forget his name it’s a black man he was a kid at the time
@@johnscanlon7757 His name is said aloud in this video and also displayed on the screen: Amos Euins.
@@johnscanlon7757 Why do you say that?
"The opinions and viewpoints expressed here are those of the presenter(s), not The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza." This phrase at the bottom of the description is all you need to know about what this guy has to say. If the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza doesn't agree with him, why should anyone.
Minor correction to a misstatement . Tague's wound was actually on HIS right cheek. The scab circled was in fact just that, a scab from a previous wound.
If we all saw the original zapruda film,we would all 🤮up. Kennedys head was literally blown off.
Do you know what 'literally' means??
@@peterfraser9070 The adverb ,literally ,means, actually, and we use it when we want others to know we're serious, not exaggerating or being metaphorical.
@@single55 uh huh, and was Kennedy's head "literally blown off"? No, it wasn't. What you're seeing in the Z Films on RUclips is what literally happened. He wasn't shot by a cannon.
This is all I know. A hunter I used to know used high powered rifles and the entrance hole in the animal carcass was small. The exit wound wad very large.
Same with Kennedy's head, unfortunately
People who hunt are gross
Great video 👏👏
Say what you want sir I don't know who? But when you take a punch in the face, your head doesn't go to your attacker!
It's exactly what happened, front side, left or right, your head goes back, back right, or back left, but it can't be front!
Oswald was behind Kennedy. The famous image of Kennedy holding his throat with both arms up, and Gov. Connolly turned looking back, then the right side of Kennedy’s head explodes. The piece of skull went behind him toward the left side of the trunk of the car, Jackie’s climbs out trying to retrieve it. The shot that took out the side of his head came from in front of Kennedy, not from behind him. Even his autopsy was manipulated to fit the single shooter theory.
@@Supertruckerx - Some people are critical thinkers, they think outside the box. Others seem to accept what they are told face value, maybe fearful of being called a conspiracy theory nut. There is nothing wrong with investigative research and looking deeper into an issue.
The aftermath of the JFK Assassination was so clumsy, it begged for a closer look……still does.
@@Supertruckerx - I just watched a clip of the Zapruder film, slowed down frame by frame. When Kennedy put his arms up to his throat, Connolly reacted almost simultaneously. He was hit too apparently, and the sound most likely startled all of them, even the driver. The shot that hit JFK’s head does look like it comes from the right side front of him. The spray of blood and brain matter blows to the rear left not toward the front where Nellie Connolly and Gov. Connolly were seated. The slow speed of the limo altered the direction of the spray minimally. His head jerks toward the left, toward Jackie’s face (poor woman) and then he collapses. If the bullet came from the rear, it would have exited the front of Kennedy’s face or hit one of those seated in front. That didn’t happen. The Warren Report stated the kill shot bullet was lodged behind the President’s eye. His autopsy pictures do not indicate any trauma to either eye. A large bullet would definitely go right through his head. Remember, the same Warren Report claimed the same caliber bullet, from the same rifle, from the same position went through Kennedy’s back, out his throat, into Gov. Connolly’s back, out his chest, broke ribs, broke bones in his right wrist then lodged in his opposite thigh. The bullet, they claim exploded Kennedy’s head, was never removed “out of respect for him”. They never retrieved it because it wasn’t in his head. It blew out the back of his head. If it was ever located, you know darn well it was destroyed.
The whole thing stinks.
Good to see a few people can still critically analyze a situation.
@@Supertruckerx - Dead people can’t testify.
"cqiticak thinking" = NO FACTS OR EVIDENCE oogala boogala
So, Kennedy was very lucky on the first shot. The nutcase Ruby caused most of the speculation because there was no trial of Oswald which would have answered most of the questions.
So how would Oswald explain dozens of eye witnesses that heard shots from grassy knoll.
@@jdunn101ify Oswald was denying he shot anyone so he would have probably said yeah - it was those people in the grassy knoll that did it. Search youtube for oswald trial - there is a video of a staged trial with real judge..prosecutor...and defense attorney.
@@jdunn101ifyhe's undoubtedly agree, as he wNted to evade charges
Once Holland intoned that the clearly-altered Z-forgery was a "time clock"; I rolled my eyes, and *clicked out* .
It was not clearly altered if you believe that you're very gullible.
@@randyharris3175
I won't waste time rolling out the laundry list of indicators pointing to the obvious alterations of the Z- film. Do the the research, as have I.
Meanwhile, I'll let you sit there amid either your sad dishonesty, or your delusion.
@@nycsongman9758 So true,, the delusion.. GOD help us all. Shalom
@@nycsongman9758 If you want to investigate a conspiracy research Mark Lane. Who he was, what he was doing in NYC in the 50’s when LHO was a truient running around the streets. Why was it so nessasary that he gets a article out doubting that Oswald did it weeks later when he had no hard facts pertaining to the shooting. Oh and just for fun, look up where he was on Nov 18th 1978.
Yup, the real film shows the turn on Elm from Houston St.
The dark skinned man(Cuban) steps out in Elm St. and gives the military sign to stop(raised fist) the limousine driver William Greer slows the car down to a very brief stop and JFK is hit in head twice. A copy of this film made the rounds on college campuses in the 70’s and one the people that saw it used to have video on here talking about what he saw. This gentleman had an Italian last name, that I can’t recall. The last time I saw the video on here the sound disappeared before he could say what he saw( I wonder why!!!)
Don't believe that he was alone
Well, you can believe he was alone up there on the 6th floor shooting, but someone else could've encouraged him or promised help after. That's possible. Then again, he probably didn't need encouragement and didn't expect to never be caught anyway.
One publication at the time (which I think was Life) printed a photo of the "sniper's nest". The photo featured a view from the window looking down Elm Street. However, the photo was taken from the 2nd or 3rd floor of the Dal-Tex building, a site that many conspiracy theorists believe shots were fired from. The photo, as far as I know, was only published once; then disappeared. A "Freudian slip", perhaps?
... and a site nobody who actually looks at the evidence believe shots were fired from, starting with not one witness on Houston ever saying a word about anyone firing from above and behind them.
@@aaronz7056 Hey Aaron. Yeah, I've read most of the rebuttals to this theory. However, experts say that the CIA and other agencies had silencers, even for high powered rifles back in '63. I am not pushing the Dal-Tex theory; merely mentioned it as a point of interest. Also, consider that there WERE eyewitnesses standing below the grassy knoll who stated that the shots DID come from above and behind them. In otherwords, the grassy knoll. But these eyewitnesses, for some reason, are always discounted, discredited, and pooh-poohed.
@@Dogheadj Eyewitnesses are hugely unreliable at the best of times, but no bullets or fragments were ever found that did not match to Oswald's rifle, witness including every newsman in the plaza and the guys in the windows right under Oswald firmly heard 3 shots, the medical evidence all points right to the shots coming from behind, modern, exhaustively measured computer analysis tests consistently point to the victims' wounds lining up on perfect trajectories right back to Oswald's window, etc.
I saw a book depository with several open windows. How is this security protocol?
Also saw several individual's at different open windows.
@@thomashammer9641 You can see many films of Kennedy riding in limos in parades through different cities with open windows all over the place.
Spector only came up with the magic bullet theory after he found out that a shot had hit a curb missing the car completely. They had to account for three shots. Since one was out the running, two had to do all the damage.
"Spector only came up with the magic bullet theory after he found out": That's just the BS spin that the Mark Lanes and the Cyril Wechts put on it. The Warren Report is frickin' correct about the major basics. It's not perfect, but those guys weren't stupid and they weren't covering up anything. Read Bugliosi's book, Reclaiming History: the Assassination of John F. Kennedy, it'll change your shorts, man.
@@peterfraser9070 I have been following this since it happened and am still learning things I didn't know such as Oswald's connection to intelligence agencies. If they weren't trying to cover anything up why the Warren commission call the two women as witnesses who would have testified that Oswald did not come down the stairs from the fifth floor at the time of the shooting?
@@kazkazimierz1742 But the question is, where are you learning these things from? There have been soooo many conspiracy books cashing in on the JFK bandwagon; twisting the facts around, exaggerating and outright lying. Mark Lane was basically the original conspiracy inventor.
@@kazkazimierz1742 Those women never claimed they came down the stairs immediately after the shots were fired; they didn't know the exact time, just that it was soon after. They didn't see Oswald - or anyone else coming down, so how did the shooter come down from the 6th floor? Cause there's no 2 ways about it; someone (Oswald) was shooting up there. They came down after him. BTW, a person could just walk quickly down the 4 floors in under a minute, so it's not a "smoking gun" that Oswald didn't appear to be out of breath. He wouldn't have to be.
@@peterfraser9070 I have been learning about the matter from various sources, books about it, interviews on youtube with witnesses to the event.
Best analysis of the Z film I've seen. I find the idea of the first shot before the film recommences very convincing. However, I thought he skirted over the "magic bullet" issue, i.e., that one bullet could make all those wounds on two people. And at least two people attending JFK at Parkland saw the massive wound on the back of his head and part of his cerebellum fall out on the table. Bottom line, this is the best presentation and defense of the more traditional view that I have seen, but there are just too many contrary eyewitness statements and other pieces of evidence to dismiss alternative positions (e.g., a second shooter).
The so called magic bullit has been replicated a number of times. Nat geo was one of then. Nothing magic about it. What's often overlooked are the positions of JFK and Connelies jump seats relatively each other, Cornelius was lower and inboard of JFKS, and their body positiones. Don't believe Oliver Stone. Also, the Parkland Dr's never even knew about the bullet hole in his back, because they never even looked. Also, they mistook all the dripping blood for a gaping exit wound. The autopsy confirmed it was the entrance wound.
You mean all 20+ doctors and nurses.
@JfK--OBJECTivE If you pay attention to who they were, most of them were actually medical students. Those who were doctors, some were resident interns. But regardless, they all mistook the wounds and never even checked his body for other wounds, and admitted to this, which displayed a level of either incompetence or caos. In any case, they weren't impressive.
The Zapruder film was tampered with.
I have always wondered why more people don’t question the rather awkward home movie style splice done as he goes behind the Stemmons Freeway sign.
Anyone who was raised with parents who had an 8 mm movie camera knows that that type of splice is generally done at the Kodak processing plant you mailed the film to. It never happens in the middle of a straight shot because in order to do that, Mom or Dad have to get in a closet or under a blanket and open the camera and flip the film over in order to continue filming. Now, I guess some amateurs might be fast, as fast as Oswald doing 3 shots in 6.5 seconds without aiming for the kill shot, but I doubt anyone can open a camera and spool up the film and close the camera and match up the shot on .05 seconds is superhuman….so why did the film get cut and spliced by the Secret Service/CIA right there, and was it to hide something or to take a piece of film leading up to the head shot and work on it for a month or two before it got placed in the archives….and waiting long enough that people’s memories became unsure?
bingo, somewhere on YT there is an interview with the guy that actually processed the film and he explains the fact it was edited after he did his part, been looking for it again but haven't found it yet
I think it’s odd that the original researchers questioned the splice and suspected all kinds of reasons for it, but it’s one of the questions that modern investigators unfamiliar with 8mm home movie cameras seem to just regard it as an artifact of it being an old film. But like watching scenes edited out “Cinema Paridiso” is a great example, a brand new piece of film doesn’t just lose a couple of frames by accident. Especially if a professional Kodak film lab did the processing as opposed to CIA supervised processing….
he simply stopped recording and restarted - it's been explained by him and his family. there's no mystery. try researching a tiny bit
Paula you should stick to reality and not silly stories
What splice are you referring to? Zapruder started filming and got the motorcycles turning the corner, then he stopped filming and then re-started filming after the limo came into his view. That's the only thing about that.
I thought it was common knowledge that the film had been interfered with. With bits missing, and crude attempts to disguise the huge hole in the back of JFK’s head.
Not true, and no evidence of any of that.
Sure it's common knowledge. In the nutjob/tinfoil community.
Boy, did you ever think wrong.
@@DavianSinner You don't think the whole magic bullet theory belongs in the nut job/tinfoil community? That bullet went through 2 people & changed about 5 directions in mid air. Say's the guy who believes the magic bullet theory created not by a Dr but a lawmaker Specter. Yeah, I don't think you should be calling people the nutjobs/tinfoil community just because they question something they are told.
For people dubious about the film being tampered with, I direct them to the testimony of Dino Brugioni in the video " The Zapruder Film Mystery. "
Fascinating. Thank you.
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit. Coup d'etat 1963.
Dulles+Johnson+J.Edger Hover it had to be all 3
agree with you absolutely. You honest,James but not only the above-mentioned s.o.b. but also 3 more one was cover-up.
You left Stewie out
Very interesting. An important contribution to the history of the event. A good example of how to synthesize different pieces of evidence. The early first-shot conclusion finally gives Oswald a solid amount of time to get off all 3 shots and provides important support to the lone-gunman conclusion. I agree with the presenter that it is unfortunate that the Warren Commission had not settled this issue when the had the chance. But they had a lot to do and limited time in which to do it. And I think a lot of the criticism of the Commission and the development of all the conspiracy theories would have happened anyway, in large part thanks to Jack Ruby.
Thats a good observation and a lucid post.
As a former photo journalist covering combat in Iraq, yugoslavia, Somalia and many other conflicts, I have seen many people shot. I've never seen a person shot in the back of the head jerk forward towards the shot.
Bernie Lomax recent enhanced analysis of the Zapruder film actually shows an initial movement forward before the violent backward and to the left movement. This is yet another example of how as time goes by and forensic science improves, the conspiracy theories are discredited.
And you never will.
You forget his back brace! RC
Julie
“What about his back brace”.
And so were to believe JFKs “back-brace” was so effective it defied physics by slinging Kennedy’s brain matter INTO the direction of the assailant ..?
Yeah. No. It doesn’t work like that.
Forget that. Part of JFKs brain ended up on the trunk, not in Connally’s lap.
so I get it - there was no JFK shallow wound to the back at right shoulder blade 4 inches below collar
right
@@randyharris3175 the Death Certificate,Autopsy Face Sheet,Jacket,Shir,t and both FBI Agents report put the wound at T3...Some 5 inches below the neck. So, anything else is a revision.
@@vernpascal1531 I believe Boswell explained that.Did you ever read his WC testimony something about his suit coat being bunched up
@@randyharris3175 How could that possibly top what I told you?
Gerald Ford moved the back wound from the back 4 to 5 inches below the shoulder blade, to the back of the neck to support the the single bullet theory. This has been common knowledge for quite awhile now. Also the Zapruder Film was hacked the weekend of the murder. Because the real film shows the car stop and JFK is hit in the head twice. This was very well documented by Doug Horne’s interview with Dino Brugioni, which used to be on RUclips but was taken down by the powers that be. Brugioni who recalled how vivid and sharp the real film was, also said the scatter from JFK’s head was high in the air and lasted much longer than what is seen in The extant film. So basically if we had all seen the real Zapruder film, we would all know that there were multiple shooters, and It definitely was a Conspiracy ( The Big Event)
Bits of exploding ammunition were found in Connelly s wrist. No metal was missing in the magic bullet. Please explain.
I can explain, you got your info all confused and muddled. Period.
Do you ever get tired of telling paranoid lies?
See my comments above. Briefly, the Pristine Bullet absolutely did not pass through both JFK’s and Connelly’s bodies, as erroneously concluded by the Warren Commission. The bullet that did, fragmented into several small pieces, which were found in Connelly’s right wrist, front left thigh, or on the floorboard between Connelly and his wife.
See my comments, either right bellow or above.
There were many shooters and they did have silencers in 1963,LHO was getting change for the coke machine as the shots were being fired!
Wrong
@@jamespuckett5547 Right, it is wrong!
@John Walker: Wrong. After he shot JFK, Oswald ducked into the 2nd floor lunchroom and grabbed a Coke (to appear nonchalant) when he heard people coming up the stairs as he was coming down.
Oswald never drank Coke, by the way, only Dr. Pepper; and that drink was available ONLY from the 1st floor soda machine.
Hey *John Walker* Ohio State sucks, little man!!
No he drank orange NeHi!
I stand by what I have been saying for years since I became interested in this case. There were 2 shooters but LHO was not one of them.
Why would you say that?
I agree with you i don't think it was lho I think he was used as a patty to cover up
Yes! There were two lone nut shooters: Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby.
Oswald acted alone.
Ruby acted alone.
No conspiracy.
then you're an idiot is what you're telling us.
The first shot hit a stoplight, then reflected off and made the impression on the curb. This can't be proven because during the long investigation the entire assembly was replaced and upgraded. no one at the time thought to examine it.
How would you know then
Why after the first shot Oswald wasnt seen . If your ever at an event you're always checking things out till the moment the event happens. Wouldn't people have looked up . And just been aware of a possible location. This is for any building
He was Breenan 2 people saw the rifle
The acoustics of Dealey Plaza are weird due to its shape, slope downhill, surrounding buildings, etc. If you ever go there you'll see what I mean. I happen to live in Dallas and been there many times. Lee Bowers, who was in the train tower back behind the picket fence and TSBD, testified that earlier in the summer there was construction work on the TSBD. He knew full well that's where the sound was coming from, but said it sounded like it was coming from further to the right (grassy knoll/tripld underpass).
So sound and echos are weird there. That's why so many of the witnesses disagreed with where the sounds came from (most said TSBD, but many said grassy knoll/triple underpass)
The gunman was seen firing from the window.
Ok, I was riveted completely until the speaker began to express his POV on Oswald and his possible motives. At that point he lost me (31:40 approximately) . Never try to guess the motivation of anyone you don’t personally know really well. Even then how many husbands would claim to know their wives exact motivations or reasoning? And even if they claim to…do you think Adam could explain to God why Eve listened to some random snake talking to her in a tree about this awesome fruit in his tree that will make her like God if she just takes a small bite?
It's just an apologist working on the same agenda we've always seen. All these new documentaries leave out key facts and ignore anything that doesn't fit the narrative. This one is particularly poor and ignores all manner of key issues.
@@thearkworldlife8338 Did he say at the end that the head bullet intered from the rear ? He lost me there.
He talks like he's about to keel over from fatigue. Damnit man, eat a steak!
@@thearkworldlife8338 Really, you sound like you wouldn't know any of the real evidence and facts about this case if they were staring you in the face.
"I was riveted completely until the speaker began to express his POV on Oswald and his possible motives.": I think Mr. Holland is basing his opinion on research about Lee Harvey Oswald. After listening to what people who KNEW him say - and reading Oswald's "historic diary", I think lots of things can be learned about him. Ex. The Kennedy murder was a 'representative' killing. Oswald may have had no particular dislike of Kennedy as a person - could have even liked him to some extent - but Kennedy represented the U.S. and Oswald had A LOT of hostility towards the U.S. - hence the desire to be a traitor against the U.S. for Russia, etc. He even said straight out he HATED the U.S.
The worst day of my childhood..... this is the most thoughtful and thorough examination IMO to date
I'm pretty certain the Sixth Floor Museum only puts out crap like this. There are still people trying to convince the world that Oswald was a lone shooter. I think Oswald figured out his role a little too late; he was a lone patsy.
Very good!
CIRCULAR REASONING !!!!
He's saying all this on a basis that Oswald did in fact do it.
Movie Man Oswald did in fact do it.
bull shit
Oswald did do it. Read Reclaiming History.
Very unconvincing. A waste of time. Try shooting 3 shots with that rifle, get back to the stairs, run down to the kitchen, buy a Coke, sit down all relaxed by the time he was observed by an officer who said he was not out of breath at all?
What about inability to see the target from the window through the oak tree and the traffic signal that has been changed out since 63? It's always amazed me how many landmarks have been moved in Dealy Plaza since the murder.
Including the storm drain
6ft from the target.
@@markrymanowski719 not to mention the road surface has been raised several inches due to repaving over the years, making the storm drain opening much smaller than it was in 63. Light posts have been moved over a foot, signs changed out, landscaping moved around. "They" have made an accurate reenactment impossible. Well done! Crime scene secured.
@@beebroot
We won't find one researcher
mention the storm drain.
That's the shot that blew his brains out.
They all know it.
It's like they're white washing
as they go along.
JFK's head was falling apart in autopsy.
They had to clamp it all together.
I say 3 shots to the head.
People nearby heard 'Pop.... Pop Pop.
Gunsmoke was smelt in the street.
Jackie and Clint were on the back
to clean up the evidence of front shots.
Inspecter Cluesou could work this one out.
@@markrymanowski719
The storm drain was below the Limo. There were no shots other than the 3 shots that Oswald fired. Cut the bullshit. You've got nothing.
@@johnadams5489
How do you sleep at night?
Well, your F.B.I payed him well didn't they.
He doesn't address the issue of the head shot seeming to come from the right front, and not the right rear.
a bunch of things here. A shot from the knoll would be at an angle of about 45 degrees to the limo (the knoll is not in front of the limo and it's not yet perpendicular to the fence (this always boithered me when I was a coinspiracist). Half way is about 45 degrees. The autoposy drawing (Robery and Jackie did not want any pictures of the brain autopsy in the Warren report or published later by magazines) shows a straight line from back to front through the right hemisphere ONLY. The left hemosphere of the brain is untouched. There was no shot from the knoll or anywhere else on the grassy/fence area for this reason but add in the other autopsy facts 1 the inside surface of the rear of JFKs skull has bevelling which is a clear forensic indicator of an entry would from the rear...2 lead fragments from the bullet left a trail in a clear forensic pattern from back to front 3 two pieces of the bullet were found in the front seat floor of the limo where a dent in the windshield frame's inner surface (shot from behind). The second part of this is the one we ALL fell for (me included for 30 years I believed conspiracy). This is the biggest piece of evidence and what everyone on starts their conspiracy journey on.... the backward movement of JFK from the headsshot. A couple of major problems here. The main preoblem with this is that the transfer of momentum from a bullet into a person isn't enough to throw their body anywhere. Mythbusters show did two segments onb this (watch the youtube 'Blown away revisited). That effect is plain Hollywood. If you do the calculation or you do the real life simulation (as Mythbusters did) you see that a body moves not distance and at most a head moves about 1-2 inches. Not the violent backward motion in the Z film. The second problem is that from frame 213 to 313 the head moves 1-2 inches FORWARD not backward. Blood and brain splatters up and forward - consistent with a shot from behind. The main reason for his violent movement backward is that when a quarter of your brain is immediately destroyed and a huge pulse of pressure goes through your skull, your legs and back (largest muscles) spams in one grande-mall contraction. The pushed JFK backward.
Not everyone is a great public speaker. Many authors on this topic cannot capture the emotion they see in their mind while writing. Its like watching paint dry.
I hope you have watched Dr Cyril Wecht at the 6th Floor Museum. What a guy, now there’s a person with true emotion and integrity.
@@FUNKINETIK A true nutter.
@@KenDanieli yep crazy as f*ck… and that porn film he starred in… personally I can’t watch it.
I MUCH prefer him to watching Dr. Wecht shout and sputter thru the years...what a quack.
@@peterfraser9070 rude: he has way more education and experience than you do.
"The most extensive and best reexamination of the assassination" 22:17 - Does this CBS multi-hour program exist somewhere where it can be viewed today?
Yea I found it on RUclips before it’s hosted by Walter Cronkite
@Special Videos That's one I've not heard before.
The real issue is it’s not better evidence when a layman examines a grainy video, as opposed to dozens of expert forensic pathologists who are looking at x-rays and are all unanimous in their conclusions..
That’s the best evidence in the entire case..
A perfect example of intellectual conversion from the sensible as objective to correct understanding as objective. Consult Lonergan on understanding understanding.
"But after they took my measure" (he said verbatim) .. "I received enormous cooperation ... At lest he said it. All that follows is bullshit.
@@Joebanker80 Can you explain in detail why you think so?
You are just completely full of it and not fooling anyone
I'm not sure your understanding of understanding can be understood by anyone else.
There has always been a question in my mind as to what happened to the bullet that passed through Kennedy's head (the fatal shot). The one that went through the back of his neck , then through Connally's chest (breaking a rib) , going through his wrist (breaking more bones) , and finally lodging in his thigh (to fall out on a hospital gurney in pristine condition , the so-called "magic bullet"). Therefore ,should not the round for the head not have entered the back of the front seat of the limo, and subsequently the Secret Service Agent driving it. The bullet seems to vanish just after leaving Kennedy's brain (and no one ever addressed this little item of of interest). The answer came to me decades later. The bullet that hit the President's head was a "frangible" bullet. That is why there was no remaining cartridge. However, Oswald was not using "frangible" ammunition. Oh well. Nothing to see here so move on.😎
"The one that went through the back of his neck , then through Connally's chest (breaking a rib) , going through his wrist (breaking more bones) , and finally lodging in his thigh (to fall out on a hospital gurney in pristine condition , the so-called "magic bullet")."
It is both amazing and amusing that there are still people in 2023 using the word "pristine" in any context to describe CE 399, the bullet claimed to be the single bullet, more than 58 years after this myth had already been irrefutably proven to be false by photographs of the bullet released to the public in November, 1964. Photographs which show the base of the bullet show the base to be severely flattened, with part of the metal core having been shoved out. That is not what most people would call "pristine."
"The bullet seems to vanish just after leaving Kennedy's brain (and no one ever addressed this little item of of interest)."
Not sure where on earth you're getting this from. Multiple fragments of the bullet were found in the limousine. And where are you getting the claim that "no one" has addressed this? I remember reading the work of many different researchers decades ago in which this very thing was discussed extensively. You must not have done much study of what the majority of researchers have said about the shooting.
"The bullet that hit the President's head was a "frangible" bullet. That is why there was no remaining cartridge. However, Oswald was not using "frangible" ammunition."
It has never been proven that it was a "frangible" bullet, and at least one of the fragments found in the limo was ballistically matched to the Carcano.
This is the best discourse I have seen on the subject.
Absolutely.
Oh dear! Shambolic presentation.
Yup.,. and probably paid very well to speak (spew).. Hah,,, and he wrote a book called "Deep Throat".. shambolic is appropriate term
I don't think a tiny wobble = being startled. More like he knew what was going to happen and the sound jarred him slightly, but he was waiting for it, not startled.
I believe JFK said as much...
"He was waiting for it..."
I also thought the first missed shot is on the zapruder film. The little girl running, stops and turns her head, hearing the first shot.
I turned this off after him saying the first shot hit, that's incorrect the first missed and the second hit both Kennedy and Connelly. Case Closed by Gerald Posner will clear this up for him
@@MrDuds1984 -The Single Bullet Theory is about as likely as the Orioles winning the World Series this year!
In Case Closed, Posner postulates that there are three "jiggles" in the film which may indicate when the shots were fired. The assertion is that the rifle shot would cause a reaction in someone trying to hold a camera steady. This was tested several times with people filming and not knowing when a rifle would be fired. In every case, there was a jiggle in the camera. There are three jiggles in the film, fairly evenly spaced which gives credence to the theory. The little girl stopping may indicate looking for the origin of the shot or it may indicate as the defense lawyer Spense said in the mock Oswald trial that the girl's mother called to her: "Rosemary, stop running and get back here!" We can't know for sure.
@@vernpascal1531 Please explain why. Many thanks.
Zapruder was in hands of homeland security for 15 years before being released, altered and past, copy, cut, cut, insert....
The first bullet missed and hit curb. Startled Connelly. Second hit JFK and Connelly. The third hit JFK as he leans on Jackie, his head tiled forward, he's wearing a brace, and from behind the bullet crowns him. Those bullets were from Oswald's rifle.
How did Oswald cause an entry wound to the front of the President's neck, as witnessed by the doctors at Parkland?
Tague said it wasn't the first shot that hit him. The first shot missed and disappeared possibly into the pavement (witnesses saw something hit the pavement), second hit JFK & Connally and the third hit JFK in the head fragmenting and a fragment is what hit the curb and Tague.
@@rawbacon- Governor John Connally’s own testimony in TV interviews disproves the SINGLE bullet striking him and the President. He states after he heard the FIRST shot, he turned around and saw the President holding his hands up to his throat. Then as he was turning back around, he was struck by a SECOND bullet. The Z-film shows exactly what the Governor stated.
@@jdunn101ifyHe didn’t.
@@strumbum946He was very simply mistaken.
HOW DID THE SHOOTER MISS THE 1st SHOT? As recovered from the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) on Nov. 22, 1963 the rifle's telescopic sight was so far off that it is unlikely any shots from this rifle hit President Kennedy. On Nov. 27, 1963, with the rifle as recovered, no adjustments to the sights, Frazier and 2 other Special Agents test fired the rifle for speed (of operation) and accuracy at 15 yards (45 feet). 3 shots each. (Warren Commission Volume 3 page 404 Testimony of Robert A. Frazier). The bullet impacts for each shooter were measured from the same point on all 3 targets. Results were the point of impact was 4 inches above their point of aim and 1 inch to the right. (note: one of the Agents had a point of aim 1.5 inches lower then the others). The ranges of the 3 shots at President Kennedy on Nov. 22, 1963 were 175 feet, 240feet, and 265 feet. The projected points of impact above the point of aim at those ranges are 15.5 inches high and 3.9 inches right at 175 feet, 21.3 inches high and 5.3 inches to the right at 240 feet, and 23.5 inches high and 5.9 inches right at 65 feet. If the shooter aimed his shots (and why would they not aim) no shot from that rifle on Nov. 22, 1963 could have hit a head/upper chest target. The rifle was Oswald's 6.5x52mm Carcano model 91/38 serial number C2766 with attached 4x18 Ordnance Optics telescopic sight (Warren Commission Exhibit 139) recovered No. 22, 1963 from the 6th floor of the TSBD by the Dallas Police and the Dallas Sheriffs Dept. The Dallas Police turned this rifle over to the FBI on the morning of Nov. 23, 1963. FBI firearms expert Special Agent Robert A. Frazier assigned to he FBI Laboratory, Washington, D.C. examined the rifle that day. This would explain the 1st shot missing and, I believe, the 3rd shot missing Kennedy and hitting Texas Governor Connally being hit in the back. The 2nd shot, fired from the grassy knoll, hit Kennedy in the neck and the 4th shot, fired from the grassy knoll, hit Kennedy in the head. If a 3rd shot was fired from the 6th floor window it was before the 1st shot at 175 feet or after the head shot and it too missed.
Where do people read this stuff? The rifle was in perfect working order (conspirators are unlikely to be stupid enough to leave behind a phony rifle that plainly couldn't pull off a shooting). Oswald was a good marksman but an inexperienced murderer. He got a little too pumped as the car passed under him and let loose with a shot that was deflected by the tree branch. The victims' wounds all line up on a perfect trajectory straight back to his window, as does the third, head shot.
@@aaronz7056 Do Google search for Warren Commission Volume 3 page 390 Testimony Rober A. Frazier then go to page 402. A 4 inch high error at 15 yards (45 feet) projects to a 21.5 inch high error at 240 feet and 23.5 inches high at 265 feet, the distance of the Kennedy head shot. This was the ONLY test on an UNALTERED rifle, as it was on the day of the assassination. Tests after this were after shims were added and the sight adjusted which invalidates all future tests.
@@happyhankjr Exactly how many people were in on this conspiracy of yours anyway? Now you've got them approaching and recruiting exactly the right people - and only the right people - and persuading them to risk their lives and careers falsifying evidence in a highly scrutinized case and becoming willing accessories to capital murder and treason. It's quite ridiculous.
the scope got off accidentally after the shooting, not b4. Think about it.
Oswald didn’t miss any of his three shots!
One of the best presentations at the museum ever!!!
The commenters on this thread are instantly experts on medicine, forensics, ballistics, government, law, and film interpretation -- after reading the words of others who instantly became experts on all these matters.
Conspiratards, God bless 'em
Paranoia knows no bounds
Who's this joker who thinks he knows more than the doctors who saw and treated JFK.
Why were there two bodies? Please look into things before you comment, silly kids.
Powerful
Its the time between 2nd and 3rd shot that matters
Bingo. Most earwitnesses stated that the last two shots were very close together, less than a second. Time and time again they recount the same timing of the shots. That's powerful corroborative testimony. And I'm sure you know the implication for a single bolt-action rifle.
And you dont have no idea what that period was.
@@david-spliso1928 Nobody said the last two shots were within a second apart who were telling the truth.The guy in the fifth floor window said they were fairly even.
@@david-spliso1928 "Most earwitnesses stated that the last two shots were very close together, less than a second."
Wrong. "Most" would be the majority, 50 percent plus at least one additional person. But out of c.243 Dealey Plaza witnesses who made statements about the sounds of gunfire that they heard, only c.30 witnesses total said the last two shots were very close together as in nearly simultaneous, or less than a second apart, or less than two seconds apart. That would be only c.12 percent of the witnesses, nowhere even remotely close to "most," nowhere even remotely close to the majority.
@@Caeruleo Fine disinformation sir, well done.
Well this gentleman was doing good till he got to the very end. A very large number of plausible touchable Nations for things. Bought Full Metal Jacket produces one kind of wound, a ballistic round produces an entirely different kind of wound.
Get the Full Metal Jacket round explain to me how we have a very large hole going in hey smaller hole coming out. Those of us that are Hunters understand ballistic round has a little hole going in in a big ol coming out. The 8 millimeter film shows blood and debris going both upward and towards the rear of the limousine. This would mean the Fatal shot had to come from the front and to the president's right
It goes towards the rear slightly because the limo was moving. There was nowhere to hide for a frontal shooter. Look at a map that has witness placement
If you look at that film in trial of Lee Harvey Oswald with Vincent Bugloshi he shows without a doubt the blood and bone came forward not backwards watch it
Watch trial of lee harvey oswald then tell me that
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@@lakermangmx right
I bet Robert Groden is not welcomed here . He is the one who started it all with the Z film . Groden is still alive and still trying to preserve the life of JFK .
Kennedy's head snapping backwards when shot supports the shot coming from the front of the car and that's the railway bridge.
Direction a person's head goes after being shot is meaningless regarding what direction the bullet came from, it's not the same thing as being punched by a fist.
My grandfather always said it was a mercy killing.
yeh... by mercineries
That is an incredibly profound statement, for obvious and not so obvious reasons. Bet your grand dad was cool.
This all took place before I was born but I find myself drawn to it and the many different theories. The only thing I can make a comment on and have experienced is that if you are anywhere near a bullets impact it pops extremely loud and most certainly could be mistaken for a gunshot. Ive often thought this is what people were hearing and were mistaking them for gunshots. You would definitely hear them well before the sound of the rifle.
2/3s of Americans were born after this happened, I'm in the same boat as you. I've done quite a bit of research into all of this over the years because mainly I watched the film and saw that the wound doesn't match someone shooting from behind.
But to your point, yes there can be an impact noise depending on what it strikes. Some people say 2 shots some say 3, some claim up to 6. I know the echo in that proximity would make it difficult to tell how many and from where. We know there was 3 for sure though one went through his neck one his head and one missed completely and hit a bystander. If we go off impacts on hard surfaces, there would be 4 shots. The missed impact and the shot, and then the 2 that hit flesh that would only make a slight thud.
I think the acoustics in that area would make it difficult for normal people to distinguish what is or isn't a a gun shot. I'd imagine even in 63 very few people in that area hunted/ war veterans/ rec shooters.
If you watch or listen to video from the Vegas shooting it acts somewhat the same way the echo is insane and some how an ar15 was able to have the same sound as a m249 saw, but that's a whole other can of worms.
Point being I think a lot of people would have a difficult time distinguishing what is or isn't a shot and where they came from given the circumstances
@@jlo7770 The impact of a bullet that hits flesh and bone is an extreme Crack. Louder than a firecracker for sure. I experienced this first hand when a careless hunter shot a deer that was directly under my treestand. I was watching it when he shot and the impact was tremendous and it's a sound I'll never forget. Well before I even heard the the gun go off.
@@jlo7770 A shot is heard from the TSBD and his head is knocked forward (watch frame by frame) and at the same time those extremely visible pieces go shooting up and forward - and we see the top right part of his head is blasted out. Now are you gonna say, "no, the Z Film was doctored"?? If so, they forgot to remove the 'back and to the left' muscle reflex.
@@peterfraser9070 lol the back and to the left was from the front shot. multiple shooters.
@@peterfraser9070 and yes, the Z film was doctored
I'd enjoy reading his opinions far more than I enjoyed watching/listening to them. Information is fascinating; delivery not so much.
you have a different belief which contradicts his research, so you criticize him personally.
For the record, in the CBS presentation in 1967, one army weapons technician managed three head shots in 5.2 seconds and two or three others managed two hits in less than six seconds, but it is true that most failed in time and accuracy.
It was actually more like 8-9 seconds. The 1st shot was earlier than thought and missed. The 2nd shot went through Kennedy's upper back & throat and into Connally. The 3rd shot hit Kennedy in the back right side of the head. This is a fact and the trajectory of all 3 shots have been proven by modern laser technology with the shots all emanating from the 6th floor of the TSBD. Check out the entire video by the father & son on PBS/Nova. All of the other supposed facts are just theories, rumor & innuendo, all of which have been disproven. In over 55 years no other scenario can be proven. Vincent Bugliosi & Gerald Posner were correct. Oswald was the lone killer, Get over it!
@@marcsonnenberg623 -Sure if you could only tell that to the dozens and dozens of witnesses from Parkland Hospital To Bethesda to Dealey Plaza to Mexico City To New Orleans who tell an entirely different story.
Marc ssschonenBERG
They’ve already patented nervous system manipulation by electromagnetic fields from screens/monitors. Patent # US6506148B2
@@marcsonnenberg623 oh lord, you are a glutton for punishment...evidence for conspiracy is evidence for conspiracy, evidence against conspiracy is evidence for conspiracy. Godspeed fellow traveler.
@@marcsonnenberg623 I have never seen one recreation where the Secret Service car following which had two agents standing on the side of their car and a motorbike rider all in the way of "Oswalds " improbable shot.
No mention of the HSCA's expert photographic panel and their findings regarding the Zapruder film? How do you explain the perfectly round HOLE at the center of the dent in the chrome trim above the windshield of the presidential limousine? I'm sure you've seen the photograph. That's your missed shot Mr. Holland.
They said that was there before
Where are you getting your "perfectly round HOLE at the center of the dent in the chrome trim above the windshield"?? Nice try.
@@peterfraser9070 supply an e-mail address and I will gladly send you a photo of it.
He had the answers for everything else except when asked "How can a bullet ricochet off grass" then he deflected the question to a "Specialist" in the audience. 😂 WOW I'm still waiting on that "specialist" remarks. But my biggest concern about the whole thing is the head movement after the fatal shot. Man can't change the laws of physics unless he's trying to. And there's several quacks over the years trying to do so with absurd test and warped propaganda. I can't believe people are being serious when they say it came from the back. I've seen that film 700 times and see nothing different! It's very clear and apparent! But yet so so so many will say it's absurd that came from behind. What's wrong with this world man. It brings me to sad conclusions that many really hated Kennedy then and now. Most wouldn't openly admit it but how else can you explain people going against the obvious so diligently. and that magic bullet issue omg. I've seen that explained 101 ways already. Kennedy was taken out because of trying to do too much too soon. The south wasn't ready for it for sure! the people that "Loved" him for trying to change their way of life are the very one's like this man I believe. Will get on any platform and stick to their guns about an alone Assassin and deep down wouldn't have it no other way.. So what about the funny stuff! Eye witnesses mysteriously dying off, Ruby's actions and taped hearings on who's involved, so what about him Assassinating the Assassin, So what about eye witnesses saying different from the 💩 Commission not called to testify.. it's BS like this is why this is a 50+ year old Soap. People that say oh all that's nothing where's the "PROOF" blah blah when it's plastered all over social media and abroad. And would swiftly say that stuff is hog wash and made up. Your eyes are bad! And the other's that say CONSPIRACY...
Our own government did it why many reasons my friend but who mention it first what I would like to know.
The head shot caused a cratered entrance wound in the back of the skull, the bullet exploding outward at the right temple, an impossible shot from the knoll but a clear and direct one from Oswald's window.
@@aaronz7056 I've heard different accounts and theories over the years and several quack scientists and nut jobs that's full of hate and contempt for Kennedy since day 1. trying to disprove the laws of physics to fit their own narratives. Personally I go on what my own two eyes see when I watch the Z film. I don't wear glasses and my vision is fine. I just can't go with anything else but what I see..and it's clear! Very clear on how that man was shot and from where. I'm not buying any other story or the bologna that comes with it..
@@ericbaker9688 Thank you, Mr. "Warped Propaganda." I explained above, the bullet came from behind. "Your own two eyes see" an explosion outward at the right temple, which would only have happened from a shot from the rear.
Chill, Eric - you are so emotionally invested in a 60-year-old crime to someone you didn't know nor were related to that you're unable to comprehend the actual physical evidence. At this point everyone should be able to view and evaluate this event dispassionately and simply focus on facts and evidence. Do you think anyone is still becoming emotionally unhinged due to their personal feelings for Julius Ceaser, for example, or even Abraham Lincoln, that they are unable to evaluate without extreme emotional bias ?!?
I wonder why no further collaboration for this theory of when the fist shot was fired didn't include Tague....he must have previously stated when he received his wound where the position of Kennedy's car was...
Many conspiracy theorists have what they believe are valid reasons as to why Oswald wasn’t the shooter based on sometimes misguided information, well my research from the Zapruder film shows this: frame 160 1st shot fired, frame 313 last shot fired, = 8.0 to 8.4 seconds total shooting time. Plenty of time to operate the bolt action Carcano rifle and fire the 3 shots. Also Oswald would spend hours practicing with the rifle and was more proficient than even so called experts. People love conspiracies, but most are blinkered and are lazy and don’t examine all of the facts.
With all due respect, I’ve not heard the throat wound being described as the front shot. Rather, a doctor (who stood at the head of the gurney on which Kennedy was placed in the ER, noted what appears to be an exit wound large enough for part of the cerebellum to fall out, at the rear of Kennedy’s skull.
I’m sorry to hear that those who served in the Warren Commission feel so aggrieved. I truly am, but I also feel sorry for those who testified and endured questioning, which was clearly aimed at evoking answers the Commission seemed to be looking for. (At least two so far).
As for none of the members of the Commission not “straying from the pack”, this journalist ,plight like to familiarise himself with “group think”.
Nevertheless, a very interesting talk, thank you.
Very grateful for this channel.
A small amount of time searching videos on RUclips would point you to interviews with medics who were in Trauma Room 1 that day and who DO describe the throat wound as an entry wound - in fact I watched one last night.
@@philweight3480 the gentleman addressed that. If it was a little round whole it certainly could have been construed as a entrance wound. However it doesn’t have to be. With a full metal jacketed round nose bullet.
You sound like you have done alot of studying and makes it hard to believe you haven't heard them call the neck wound an entry wound which makes me believe you was just trying to pick an argument because you haven't heard of the entry wound means it didn't happen or your upset that someone trumped you about something JFK related.
@@philweight3480 thanks, I’ll look up some videos.
@@insertnamehere313 I apologise if I came across that way. I don’t profess to be an expert on the JFK assassination. Nor do I mind being corrected. Have a good day.
my only problems is with the rounds used which were full metal jacket but xrays from JFKs autopsy showed signs of fragments that you won't get from an fmj round I've shot large game animals in the head which is a hell of a lot harder then Kennedy's every time it was a pass though my other problem is if Oswald was the only shooter why not shoot him as he was coming at him the car was traveling slower each shot would be getting easier with nothing but air in the way
When you're staging a multi rifle assassination with 6.5mm rounds from a carbine, it creates all manner of problems. A 3rd of all shots missed. Using silencers and Sabots in that era meant a lot of inaccurate shots which explains 2 bullets hitting between Elm and Main. You never know if you're going to get the shot you need so there had to be more riflemen to be sure. Not all fired but that frontal head shot was desperation, the limo had passed through several shots and Kennedy was in better shape than Connally at that point. The head shot finished it but it's the one thing they didn't want to do because you can never explain away how such a grievous wound was caused by Oswald and his carbine.
@@thearkworldlife8338 I can't understand how the same gun cause different wounds, further how the magic bullet was recovered that was in pristine condition after crushing through 2 humans and countless bones....
I see a hollow point faster velocity head shot round.
Never bet the farm, Bob.
1:05:40
"I did write a book about Deep Throat, Mark Felt, he was a nasty man ..." "Not a Patriot..." Very interesting.
Max Holland. Author, and speaker.
Leak: Why Mark Felt Became Deep Throat
by Max Holland
it is well known if you are a student of this subject that the government edited the film, the main edit came as the car was behind the sign. if you watch the film it is extremely obvious it has been edited at this point due to the image is blacked out for a fraction of a second and the whole image jumps so much. there is another edit after the last shot as the driver looks back, to remove the evidence that the driver almost stops the car, presumably to let the security agent get on the car. there are vids on youtube where they interview the man who was involved in the editing
Please give me a link to that youtube video you mention. This would be a huge jump proving evidence tampering.
@@timhawks6101 I will see if I can find it and get back. somewhere around the time the car went behind the sign there is an obvious edit because the image jumps and a black frame appears where it should be a normal flow of images uninterrupted. I used to have a similar camera back then and an 8mm film roll was made double width. when the first side was done you had to take it out and flip it over to expose the second half, they tried to make us believe this was what caused it but that makes no sense and an obvious lie.
@@jayjackson597 Thanks for your reply. Look forward to whatever you can give me.
@@timhawks6101 I did find a vid on youtube where they show the film and at the 5:50 mark, I was able to double click and watch each frame leading up to the edit which does come as the car is behind the sign. not sure the ramifications of an edit at that point but does prove it was edited. there may be other edits done more cleanly that are not obvious we will probably never know. the title is, JFK Shocking Assassination Film. there are others out there I have seen which concentrate on what may have been edited out but haven't found them yet
@@jayjackson597 Thanks for this one. If you find anymore, please forward to me.
I've listened to a bunch of this guy's investigations into the Zapruder saga. And now, after all that, he says Oswald did it. Then its a closed case. Why give a damn if the film was doctored or edited by the CIA? They were just clearing up a messy account. So what are his motives in all this? Seems like a huge waste of his time.......or simply a huge money-spinner from a shill.
Agree. A terrible waste of time. Enough already. What is his point!?
And if the film showed something other than what their narrative is? You don't think thats kind of important? Why doctor the film at all? Jeez, go back to sleep son.
@@cindymurray495 I think his point was blatantly obvious, come out of your spell.
@@ghostdance56 The Z Film PROVES a rear shot happened, and it basically proves that a front shot DIDN'T happen. Son, there is photographic PROOF. TRUST YOUR EYES, and don't be confused by a natural neurological muscle reflex when his whole upper-body jerks back. Bullets don't throw people like that.
@@peterfraser9070 - so you're stealing my line now?? LOL Yes son, I trust my eyes, not the politicians, and not the squirmy explanations you guys give consistently to slant the evidence.
Looking at the film, it's obvious to me, and most, that it was a shot from the right front. He's hit, his head jars backwards to the left, and his blood, skull, and brains follow the path of the trajectory onto the two motorcycles behind the limo. It's couldn't be clearer.
There's also zero evidence the initial shot to his neck was from the rear. Just sayin'
I have watched and read all the representations of what every experts has said and the only conclusion I can come too is that I can't come to any conclusion....!! But one thing I can't understand... According to Texas law...if a gunshot wound leads to death then the body remains in Texas custody for the atopsopsy... SALUTE TO THAT DR who Tried in vien to keep the presidents body at the hospital. Secret service taking that body in such a rush will always for me strongly suggest there's more to this horrible tragedy then meets the eye. The American tax paying public having to wait till 2029 for classified documents to be released is a national embarrassment.
After the assassination nobody knew if this wasn't the opening volley of WWIII, a very real possibility. Nobody knew who they could trust in Dallas. It was important to get Johnson back to D.C., he wouldn't leave Jackie behind, very possibly still surrounded by danger, and she wouldn't leave without her husband's body. With visions of mushroom clouds in everybody's minds, the last thing they were sweating was some local official nobody knew stepping in front of them and saying, "Hold up there, folks, you ain't goin' nowhere." Their understandable attitude was sue us, we'll come back later and apologize assuming nuclear war hasn't broken out in the meantime.
There were three expended casings? Why would he bother recycling after the third shot?
You know, that's a good question that I never thought about. It could be a simple reflex and there was (I think) another bullet in the chamber unfired. He may have thought of another shot but Kennedy dropped below the seat out of view. Not that I believe 100% that Oswald was the shooter but whoever fired the rifle...
@@steveloafe I just watched a documentary that said initially Dallas PD identified that there were only two casings. But days later there were suddenly three.
@@erikalesi7603 No shit. I wasn't aware of that.
@@steveloafe It’s called ‘The Grassy Knoll: The Hidden JFK Files’. It’s on Amazon Prime.
@@erikalesi7603 There is a FBI inventory sheet that lists 2 spent shell casings and 1 live round. There is also a photo that shows the 2 casings and the live round sitting on a table.I have copies of these. Strange isn't it.
Mike Pardue ✌
Since Oswald had to reassemble the rifle before his BIG moment, he had to be sure the rifle would fire. So he had to "clear his gun" at the right time {not too soon} with his first shot (A WELL WORTH TEST FIRE) . It didn't matter what he aimed for, if aiming at all, just as long as he was "in position" with that action.
rich52movie
Close. Those with competitive rifle experience (in my case since the mid-1960s) know that the primary rule in firing for accuracy is that you must first zero (sight-in) your weapon. Use the windage and elevation knobs to fine-tune the sights. You don’t just pick up a rifle and start shooting. Especially if it’s been disassembled and reassembled. Oswald had learned that lesson in the Marines and by his failure to hit Gen. Walker. He used the first shot to zero his carbine and it ‘missed’ because it wasn’t aimed
at the limousine in the first place. But it did matter greatly what he was aiming at.
For the supporting evidence behind these findings, please read The Final Truth: Solving the Mystery of the JFK Assassination.
www.thefinaltruth.net
you haven't the tiniest clue what you're talking about
@@peterfraser9070 Clue me in
Very interesting indeed. But I'm not entirely convinced that Oswald acted alone. The wounds on Kennedy leave a lot of unanswered questions.
Maybe left unanswered question but it did answer one important question. All the shots came from the back? No.
@@gaitero1983 I'm not entirely convinced.
@@HELLO-iq5rb the physics support the theory about the shoot coming from the side. I don't know why has been so difficult? 😕
@@gaitero1983 It's difficult because there is so much conflicting evidence. This video was quite convincing though.
I don't pretend to know the answers. I have an open mind and am happy to listen to all theories.
@@HELLO-iq5rb agree with you. I listen all the theory, even the official one.
Here is something I don't understand: 1) We have a bullet that strikes JFK in the back, and according to the FBI agents present at the autopsy stops after only penetrating 3 inches into the president's back...
It is later assumed that the bullet must have fallen out during cardiac massage at Parkland. 2) Later still, we have the bullet that was found on a gurney in Dallas that appears nearly pristine.
Now then, like it or not, believe it or not, we have a defective bullet that causes very little damage upon striking JFK and we have a bullet CE-399 that appears to have caused very little damage.
So why can't we accept that this missile is the culprit that struck the president in the back and later fell out? Everything matches.
Not only that, but this bullet has to be the FIRST bullet... and that also makes sense. The defective bullet sounded like a firecracker. The FIRST bullet had the best chance of hitting the target. The most time to aim and also the closest distance. The bullet struck JFK in the back, prompting the president to say, "I'm hit", a split second before he is hit in the throat. SS Kellerman said he heard JFK. But how could JFK talk if he was hit in the throat?
The theory of what happened MUST match the evidence.
Where have you heard that a bullet lodged in Kennedy's back? The first hit hit him in the back, exacted his throat and started to tumble as it hit Connolly (who by the way, seems to open his mouth in pain/shock as he turns back towards Kennedy). Second hit blew Kennedy's brain out the side toward the front, an obvious rear entry wound. If shot from the front, where was the gaping exit wound on the opposite side of his skull?
@@baselbob8012 The FBI report of the 2 agents present at the autopsy clearly states that the back bullet didnt go deeper than 3 inches. The bullet would show minimal facial damage, same as the gurney bullet The WC hid the FBI report and didnt call the agents to testify. Furthermore, SS Kellerman said he heard JFK say "Im hit"... No way JFK said that with a throat wound. Connally said he wasnt hit by the same bullet that hit JFK Many witnesses at Dealey, Parkland & Bethesda saw a gaping hole in the back. No way they all got it wrong when they describe the exact same wound Youre about 15 yrs behind on your research
That's an ancient rumour. You know where that originated? The 2 FBI guys didn't see this first hand; they heard doctors say something about the back entry wound location and misinterpreted / misunderstood what they said. No deceit should be read into this, just human error or maybe carelessness in that they should have confirmed their info. Maybe they thought it wasn't in doubt. Someone like mark lane ran with this and twisted it for his best-selling book, which shall go unnamed.
@@peterfraser9070 Except your argument goes contrary to what we do know 100%. If Dr Humes was being pressured to hurry up the autopsy, and if as you claim the back wound exited the throat, why then did Humes spend (waste) 3 hrs tearing apart JFK's chest and abdomen ? Clearly Humes was looking for the back bullet he knew entered at a downward angle, not aimed at the throat. And if Humes felt it exited the throat, he could have easily started to back track the missile from the throat towards the back. BUT he didn't do that. If he was looking to speed things up, he went about it all wrong. PLUS don't forget we have more witnesses that also say the back missile stopped short. Lt Richard Lipsey.
@@PANCHOVILLAMATO Where are getting this info??
Makes sense, but claims from several railroad employees who say they heard shot and cloud of smoke from behind picket fence on grassy knoll (and never called by Warren Commission) are still troubling. And now after 60 years a secret service agent Paul Landis said he found a bullet on the back seat of the limousine - so more questions.
Would you even trust so tone who years after claimed this or that? By the way, smokeless gun powder had been used in all modern ammo si ce the turn of the century.