Holy- I FINALLY REALIZED WHY FORTE SCARED ME AS A KID!! HE WAS CGI while the most of the movie was traditional animation... He seemed more real to me compared to the rest...
Scarlett it was a pretty good design choice in my opinion as it set him apart compared to the rest of the cast dignifying him above others like he sought
Both Forte, and Xaldin from Kingdom Hearts were better antagonists for The Beast. Both characters tried to manipulate the Beast by stoking his anger and sorrow. ..Gaston only encountered the Beast briefly, and tried to kill him out of jealousy.
@@jonathanwaters206 I wrote an essay on that story many years ago Over 30 years actually. You can't get more depressing than that story, but I loved it then and always will. Still, Disney could have used Forte's story to let everyone know that not everybody likes all the hoopla of Christmas. I really believed they were going to go in that direction up until the end of the movie. I was so disappointed when they didn't. I thought the character was a gem. A snarky, mean-spirited, insecure gem, but a gem all the same.
Yes. The way he wiggled himself into Adam's (the Beast) life and tried to make sure that he was the only one who he trusted, and the way he practically isolated him is similar to how an abuser will keep a vulnerable person (be it a spouse, son/daughter, patient, etc) under their control. Adam was, what, 11-12 years old when the curse was made? So this conditioning has been going on for a while.
@@sandrixhozart7838 same here, first time I watched Snow White I was probably super young so yeah it freaked me out until I was in my early twenties I think
The way Forte dies is even more scary because the Beast destroys the keyboard and that just scared the living pi$$ out of me the first time I saw that. Organs shouldn’t be scary!
It think the way he dies isn't scary because the Beast destroyed the keyboard, but rather, because of the horrifying angle when he fell (plus, it was implied suicide, so there's that)
10:10 Oh that is what he was doing. Ever since I was little I always wondered why he was pulling himself from the wall! Thank you Isaac for not only talking about this great underrated midquel, a wonderful Tim Curry voiced villain, and going in deeper with everything mentioned!! Have a merry Christmas and happy new year!
Throughout my childhood, Forte was the only Disney villain made me genuinely afraid at night. The horrifying factor of his character: he couldn’t move. He was stuck in that dark room alone, but could wreak so much disaster on the castle and the characters from where he sat bolted to the wall.
It's sad that he couldn't find some happiness as a human & then became so angry & bitter. He ended up destroying himself. Plus he was obviously insane from his power over Beast too, because while it definitely would stop Beast from falling in love if he was dead, it didn't occur to him that once Beast was dead nobody at all would appreciate his music. Also, the curse was to teach Beast a lesson so if he was dead there would be no reason for the Enchantress to keep the spell on the rest of the castle & he would be turned human again anyway. Then he would certainly be out of a job, maybe put in prison if the others realized he killed their master on purpose. So even if he was that angry & selfish, logic should've stopped him from trying to kill Beast & Belle.
Good points. If he had stopped and thought about it more carefully, I think he could have lured Belle into the chamber as he did, and began to play sad music for her. He could have manipulated her just like he had manipulated the Beast because she was missing her father. Had he used that to keep her sad and depressed, chances are neither Belle or the Beast would have fallen in love and Forte would have doubled his audience. Now,t since it was made clear after THIS video was made that all the servants would have turned completely into what they had been transformed into, I think Forte was not aware of this. If he had, he would have reluctantly accepted the idea of becoming human again. I do believe though that had he not died and the Beast would forgive him, he could have remained a valuable member of the court. At least that's how I would write it.
@@SacredMilkOG 😂😂😂😂 Well, you've got a point there. But none of the other characters have gone insane to the point of murder. The wardrobe & piano were a bit nutty, but in an eccentric way.
I somehow totally forgot my Santa hat for this video... but that's okay! I think the video still turned out great and I hope you enjoyed it! By the way, to stay connected with the magic of Wotso Videos all of the time in between my videos on RUclips make sure to follow me @WotsoVideos on Twitter and Instagram! Have a very, merry holiday season and a magical day!
Actually, wasn’t that thing of “if the last rose petal fall, we’ll all die” a thing of the remake?, in the original they were going to stay the same, with the only thing of concern being the Beast now becoming a monster in mind and soul, or I dunno, Forte would have take a toll from his selfish wish regardless
Glad to see someone else who actually loved Enchanted Christmas growing up. I think I loved it for the same reasons: loving Beauty and the Beast and loving Christmas. Also I loved the song As Long As There's Christmas and it remains one of my favorite Christmas songs to this day.
I think what we need now, since you can clearly see that Adam was in fact a child or preteen or whatever by the movie, is a video explaining why his parents were not present at their party!
@@Roberto-mm4gr I agree. They died and the staff felt sorry for him and spoiled him rotten. Both our of duty and pity. Once the monster was created, no one had the courage correct him.
So this might sound lame, but this video ended up helping me a lot. My mom just passed away about a month ago and Christmas is getting really hard. I haven't been in the mood for anything. Then I randomly clicked on this video and liked it so much that I went and watched the movie because I've never seen it. First time I've felt happy all day. So thank you. Maybe you could do a video in the future on the movie itself. That would be cool.
Hugs to you, Daron Silvers. My mom died over two years ago, a month before Mother's Day. It's always hard when certain holidays roll around. It's okay to do what you need to get through the holiday. I was 36 when Mom died, and it's no easier when you are older.
I haven't seen the movie for a very long time; but tbh, I still have that Christmas song, from the movie, still stuck in my head after all these years. And I still remember parts of the movie promo, from another Disney VHS, when I was about to watch that Winny the Pooh movie, the one with the gang went out looking for Christopher Robin. Edit: Now I remember, the movie is called "Pooh's Grand Adventure: The Search for Christopher Robin".
I wonder if Forte’s view would have changed if he realized that by failing to break the enchantment in time, they all would become what they appeared in truth, not just shape. Obviously he didn’t care at the very end, but before it got to that point, would he have reconsidered? Knowing that, without Belle’s influence, he would have become nothing more than a lifeless pipe organ, a collection of dusty pipes sitting in a desolate, forgotten castle, empty save for a mindless animal prowling the halls and shoving aside broken furniture and shattered dish ware, all semblance of humanity long lost, bereft even of the music that once soothed him. No more music, no more master to serve. Just the roar of a twisted beast curled in his den, attacking any who stumble upon the ruins.
That was an Oracle. Oracles are wise spirits that inhabit objects or come to those in times of need while Enchantresses and people of magically endowed skills and abilities. Though they are close within the realm of magic they are slightly different
Hey Isaac! I have an idea for a video, with that being a video about Sofia the First that explores what happened to Sofia's biological father, and maybe just some background on who he was. It's just a suggestion, but I thought that it would be a very interesting video topic that you might possibly be interested in :> Keep up with the good work!
As a kid Forte REALLY scared me and he still scares me I mean look at his design forget Maleficent as a Dragon or Jafar as a Cobra or evil Genie Forte is scary to look at! Awesome video Isaac!!
Forte saying to Fife: “She pulls him (Beast) from my grasp”. Not really an attraction to Adam like I’ve read in so many fanfic, but more like a desire of manipulating to get the attention and the acknowledgement he ever wanted. It is a relationship based on manipulation. Forte dominates the Master. And before it was the Master who dominated Forte. We have here a perfect sample of the Karpman dram triangle: victim, rescuer, persecutor. Before the enchantment, Forte is both a victim and persecuted. Adam persecuted him and “rescued” him by being the dominator with his high status as a Prince. And after the enchantment, the roles change. Forte is the rescuer and persecutor and the Beast the victim. And Forte finds a total control in this role. It gives me a sense to his Life. He is admitted both as an artist and as a person. Something makes me think he has fought his whole life to have people’s attention for his person as a whole. And Belle, a young person, breaks what he’s been built for years in no time. This is a recurrent issue in Disney’s movies. A young people who, in no time, breaks what the “old” person has made in years. He couldn’t accept that the Beast needed more than music or friendship. Just love and someone that could shake him up. Maestro couldn’t be this person. No love or sexual attraction in that. Just a game Maestro tried to play to follow as he could the social contract. Maestro is genuinely aware of the superficiality of our society. Knowing that he couldn’t never change it made him fall in cynicism and misanthropy. The Beast was his last hope not to face his doom. By falling in love of Belle, the Beast sounded Forte’s death knell.
Forte is subtle, and he used his music for destruction and torment because he finally controlled his master, the one who disregarded his works and Belle ruined his plans.
I loved this movie as a child. Tim Curry makes the best villain, he’s an excellent actor. I found it sad that he died at the end of the film. I found it tragic that he couldn’t adjust to other forms of music.
Forte’s music is ahead of it’s time, in our standards it maybe seem beautiful in its own way, but in his era, it was seen as gloomy as it’s different from the norm Belle herself was looked down on from being different And other great artists like Mozart and in painting Van Gogh weren’t truly appreciated until after they died Forte is like that in that regard, he was a unappreciated genius that got into his way in Prince Adam’s court But He wasn’t appreciative for his work It’s not that easy for an artist to go to other styles, especially those that want to be different, want to create and explore For art is expression, Forte like any artist wanted to create his own music and have it appreciated by others, especially his Master the Prince On Christmas, he went out of his way to create an original peace in the Prince’s honor, but was rejected and saw as gloomy Then the enchantment came Forte being reborn as his own instrument was a dream come true, he can create like never before, to be truly one with music What’s more, his work was finally being appreciated by Beast whose suffering depression Like many depressed people today find comfort in music, Beast found comfort in the work he once rejected Forte finally wasn’t just being appreciated, he was needed, becoming the Beast’s friend and confidante the last 10 years Then Belle came and threatened to take it all away Forte loved his form, not only having an eternal lifespan, and power, he also is one with his art, and his position made him needed by Beast If the enchanting ends and Beast is happy, Forte is no longer needed, like before He became mad in desperation, trying to keep Beast depressed and dependent on him by either killing Belle or alienating her from Beast, when neither work, he was desperate enough to try destroy everything in his madness which led to his Tragic end
@@christophersanchez7731 That makes a lot sense, thank you. Still wish they would have come up with a more amicable solution though, but sometimes there just isn't one.
Oh wow this took me back!!! This was a really good movie! My favorite thing was the song " As long as there's Christmas" and Tim Curry ( voice of Forte) is always the best part in any movie.
Cool thing about pipe organs: Despite being built to be a "one-man orchestra," in medieval times before electric motors, they needed a full staff manning the bellows. Forte in his enchated form would be the first man to truly be a solo orchestra, a fact he no doubt revelled in. Even better, he didn’t have the human limitations of which keyboards he could access and could play foot pedals as easily as the finger panels. Any organist would kill for such an opportunity, even if it meant effective imprisonment. You see, because the organ is such a massive, expensive, and grand instrument, they were associated exclusively with churches and nobility. If you could play the organ on your own and had the ABILITY to play dissonance on a pipe organ, it effectively meant you had *the power of God.* So it makes perfect sense how Forte loves his new form and why he was able to manifest so much power in it. Despite being the most confined out of anyone, he is in his version of paradise, and actually doesn't really care about the Beast, he just wants to enjoy eternity playing whatever he wants, whenever he wants, and needs nobody to help him.
I remember being fascinated with Forte and becoming obsessed with Pipe Organs after seeing this movie. I used to just draw him again and again pipe by pipe until I was satisfied! LOL!
Beauty and the Beast enchanted Christmas (Beast killing his actual serving) - A lot a lot of fandom asking various a questions about the first movie especially about Beast killing his actual serving....well they show it on screen in this Christmas sequel they didn't shy away of the death Maestro Forte Fife tells the Beast that Forte's power comes from the keyboard so he he slammed his keyboard (A.K.A his heart in his lungs when he turned into a organ) in the last screenshot Beast did the right thing but still feeling guilty about it to kill Maestro Forte. what's even darker about this scene of The frist movie belle and adam finally kiss to make the curse broken everyone in the castle Turn Back To Human except for Maestro Forte STILL is a broken organ.
I think that might be the case. Someone on another site once suggested the Enchantress deliberately put Forte there just so he could be available for the Beast. I once wrote a fanfic where we find out the Enchantress put the curse on the household because the whole lot of them were, one way or another, messed up when it came to relationships. She felt it was her duty to set them all on the right path.
@@adnilnosnhoj The live version of the movie touches on this. The servents blame themselves for not helping him more with relationships and accept their punishment. I always wondered why no one had tried to help him, the movie goes into the reasons.
💜❤💚💙💛 Love Forte! Especially since he's voiced none other by Tim Curry! Thanks for doing this vid. He's one of the most underappreciated Disney villains. Like Ratigan from The Great Mouse Detective.
I am so glad someone made a video about Forte, even when people says that this movie was stupid and underrated (which I disagree). Not only is B&TB is my fav lovestory but this movie is also a part from it. I only saw the trailer when I was younger and I never was able to watch it, until this year I remember scenes of the organ aka Forte. Finally I have watched it and I have another new fav villain upon my list (especially been voiced by the awesome Tim Curry). Well done on making this video and thanx you for Forte's backstory, Wotso!
It was partially because of Forte that I began to develop a love for pipe organ music. Though I used to be scared of him when I was younger, I have grown over it.
I get that Forte is insane, but during the climax of the film I can't help but focus on the fact that he wasn't thinking clearly. His entire claim to power is by having a close relationship to the Master - manipulating him as it were...He wants the curse to remain, so that he can maintain that power and relevance...BUT...at the end, he's willing to kill both Belle AND the Beast to stop the curse from being lifted. ...What exactly was he planning to do if he succeeded and both of them died? For the one thing...the only person who listened to him or even liked him would now be dead, and everyone else in the castle would've lost their only hope at being human again. Needless to say, I'm pretty sure they'd abandon Forte to his own isolated room in the castle and he'd never see another living soul again. Then what would his plan have been if Belle died but the Beast survived? Did he really think the Master would be content with letting Belle's murderer exist in his castle? All I'm saying, no matter what happens - all of this ends badly for him.
I completely agree and I kind of think part of him maybe knew that. I think he would rather be destroyed then ever become an insignificant human again; it's kind of a dark idea but as you explained no matter what he was going to lose in some way.
IMHO, I think being bolted to the wall, like a prisoner hanging from a dungeon wall, drove the sensitive artist insane. The ONLY comfort HE had in this way was the comfort he gave Adam through his music. As a human, he had mobility and freedom but no one appreciated him or validated his talent. He now had someone "love" him, and not just anyone -it was a royal! The master of the house in fact! What a rush to the ego! If he had not been isolated in the darkness, if the other servants besides Fife had visited him regularly, he might have stayed focused on the benefits to returning to humanity, but as we know that did not happen. Once he realized he had no control over the beast, he had a complete nervous breakdown. He lost all sense of what he was actually doing. He was acting out of absolute pain. In his eyes, he had spent 10 years as a prisoner hanging on a dungeon wall, only to be kicked to the curb forgotten and alone. It wasn't returning to humanity he dreaded, it was returning to a life of loneliness and obscurity. Had Disney just taken an extra 3-5 minutes, they could have had Beast assure him that he would always think of him as a valued friend. Belle could have told him it was alright if he didn't like all the cheeriness to Christmas, that she understood not everyone is into all that. Then when they go back to the next Christmas, where Mrs. Potts was retelling the story, and Adam cues for the music, you see Forte at the party as well, but smugly yet gently hands the honors to Fife.
+Wotso Videos Awesome discussion about Maestro Fotre. Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas is one of my favourite Disney Christmas movies. Forte is one of the most sadistic direct-to-video villains I really love to hate, with the second being Zira from The Lion King II: Simba's Pride. I hope you have a wonderful Merry Christmas, Isaac. I can't wait for more new videos in 2019. I have some ideas for you that you can do for future videos.
Just imagine how amazing it would have been if Forte had been included into the live action movie as a second villain. If well written and executed having both Gaston and Fortes stories in could create an incredible and grand movie Just IMAGINE the possibilities of (visual) story telling!
Adam and Forte’s dynamic is like Othello and Iago. I wonder if this was intentional like the Hamlet reference to the usurping uncle Scar in The Lion King.
Rose 564 I really want to seeher become an off Disney Princess even though she was the first princess to become a Queen by the the end of her film... TAKE THAT ELSA!! Also I have always had a crush on Kida!
this was so amazing thanks for doing this video i love beauty and the beast enchanted christmas forte was the best villain amazing video and have a merry christmas.
Tim Curry just has the most perfect voice for a villain in animated movies. As a matter of fact, I can't remember watching anything with Tim Curry where he wasn't a villain or at least an unkind character.
What really amuses me is that he doesn't realize that once the last petal falls, all the servants become inanimate objects. So instead of spending his time honing his skill and making the music he loves so that he can continue to play it once they're human again, he fights to keep the curse and inevitably dooms himself to disappear for good.
Forte apparently loved to play scary music, so he could have upon the spell being broken, he could have left working for the Prince and auditioned for the musician picked for performances of the sawing-in-half act. I saw the sawing-in-half act at an inexpensive circus in the summer of 1993, and during the act, there was spooky music that you'd associate with a Halloween movie.
hey man. im not a doctor but your lips for the last few videos are becoming more and more blue. it looks almost cynotic, idk if its make up but if its not please go talk to your doctor. you make great videos... also if its super cold it might add the discoloration
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Holy- I FINALLY REALIZED WHY FORTE SCARED ME AS A KID!!
HE WAS CGI while the most of the movie was traditional animation... He seemed more real to me compared to the rest...
Scarlett it was a pretty good design choice in my opinion as it set him apart compared to the rest of the cast dignifying him above others like he sought
omg same!
Yes like the cgi fetus from courage the cowardly dog
@@nicolochanleo5730 return the slab
I thought he was a fever dream I had
How am I supposed to have a Merry Christmas when I'm "BOLTED TO THE WAALL"
Goodpoint
Even when I was little I never once blamed him for being so bitter and angry
You probably are almost for real now...
Call me crazy but in terms of being a villain, FORTE IS BETTER THAN GASTON.
I see that as well.
Right plus that kick but sing he sang lol this dude scared me as a child 😂💀☠️
Forte is much better than Gaston(2017 live action remake), no doubt about that, but, i am not sure i can agree on the original one though!
Both Forte, and Xaldin from Kingdom Hearts were better antagonists for The Beast.
Both characters tried to manipulate the Beast by stoking his anger and sorrow.
..Gaston only encountered the Beast briefly, and tried to kill him out of jealousy.
You're not!
To be honest, Forte kinda scared me as a kid. 😰
Me too
Same xD!
Let’s face it Tim curry will always be the king of scary movie villains
Still creeps me out now.
Me too
Wait, so when everyone becomes human again does that mean Forte's corps is just gonna chill in the castle?
Duuuuude that's a good point
more likely he's still an organ because his soul was removed tho that would be hilarious in a morbid way. …, am I weird for thinking that?
I've always hoped Forte didn't actually die no one should die in a Disney Christmas story.
@@adnilnosnhoj look up the story of the little match girl
@@jonathanwaters206 I wrote an essay on that story many years ago Over 30 years actually. You can't get more depressing than that story, but I loved it then and always will.
Still, Disney could have used Forte's story to let everyone know that not everybody likes all the hoopla of Christmas. I really believed they were going to go in that direction up until the end of the movie. I was so disappointed when they didn't. I thought the character was a gem. A snarky, mean-spirited, insecure gem, but a gem all the same.
In a way, isnt forte’s relationship with the beast a parallel to an abusive relationship? :c
Yes. The way he wiggled himself into Adam's (the Beast) life and tried to make sure that he was the only one who he trusted, and the way he practically isolated him is similar to how an abuser will keep a vulnerable person (be it a spouse, son/daughter, patient, etc) under their control. Adam was, what, 11-12 years old when the curse was made? So this conditioning has been going on for a while.
Ali S Wow! I never thought about it that way. But I agree with you. You’ve also just made Forte creepier and scarier than he already was.
Hannah Zografos lol always happy to ruin someone’s childhood~
I just always felt like Forte was the true victim here though :(
If this ruins someone's childhood then they've got bigger issues!
Forte's final performance was simply smashing.
I actually laughed at this.
Never realised how scary Forte could be as a kid
The evil queen transform scared me along of the Black Cauldron
I felt the darkness all through forte never liked all his horror music I would cover up every time I seen him get revenge
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@@sandrixhozart7838 same here, first time I watched Snow White I was probably super young so yeah it freaked me out until I was in my early twenties I think
@@ProfessorUniverse95 yep in late teens I find it in yard sales
The way Forte dies is even more scary because the Beast destroys the keyboard and that just scared the living pi$$ out of me the first time I saw that. Organs shouldn’t be scary!
Pokemon reviews and train videos more like removing his voice
It think the way he dies isn't scary because the Beast destroyed the keyboard, but rather, because of the horrifying angle when he fell (plus, it was implied suicide, so there's that)
Wonder how his face looked after he fell down and died.
Why does the keyboard breaking scare you?
@@AshleyandShelbyGray no, it wasn’t. Trust me watch the scene again and take a close look at his facial expressions, he didn’t want to off himself.
Loud is such a terrifying villian. For those of you not in the music world, Forte means loud. Disney literally has a villian named Loud.
Oh gosh, I’m a choirgirl and- 🤯😵💫
In French, it means strong 💪
Ie. Making RUclips videos is Isaac's forte
10:10 Oh that is what he was doing. Ever since I was little I always wondered why he was pulling himself from the wall! Thank you Isaac for not only talking about this great underrated midquel, a wonderful Tim Curry voiced villain, and going in deeper with everything mentioned!! Have a merry Christmas and happy new year!
I thought he suddenly just started to just pull himself away for...an unknown reason. It confused me.
@@Pony-Potential I thought so too
@@electrochara1030 Yeah, I thought..."is he suddenly trying to kill himself? wait, why is he screaming now?"
Forte's not the best one of Tim Curry's characters but he is an interesting one.
@@micaylab1 I never said best, only the he was a “wonderful Tim Curry voiced villain”.
I'm bolted to the *wALL*
Kianna Davis I read this before it happened and laughed WAAY too hard at it
Kianna Davis No wonder the other characters can move around the castle as inanimate objects and he can’t, for good reasons though.
Did somebody made a meme about that?
That was the funniest and most terrifying thing I'd ever seen as a kid.
I bet Mr. A. C. can relate to that.
Throughout my childhood, Forte was the only Disney villain made me genuinely afraid at night. The horrifying factor of his character: he couldn’t move. He was stuck in that dark room alone, but could wreak so much disaster on the castle and the characters from where he sat bolted to the wall.
It's sad that he couldn't find some happiness as a human & then became so angry & bitter. He ended up destroying himself. Plus he was obviously insane from his power over Beast too, because while it definitely would stop Beast from falling in love if he was dead, it didn't occur to him that once Beast was dead nobody at all would appreciate his music. Also, the curse was to teach Beast a lesson so if he was dead there would be no reason for the Enchantress to keep the spell on the rest of the castle & he would be turned human again anyway. Then he would certainly be out of a job, maybe put in prison if the others realized he killed their master on purpose. So even if he was that angry & selfish, logic should've stopped him from trying to kill Beast & Belle.
Good points. If he had stopped and thought about it more carefully, I think he could have lured Belle into the chamber as he did, and began to play sad music for her. He could have manipulated her just like he had manipulated the Beast because she was missing her father. Had he used that to keep her sad and depressed, chances are neither Belle or the Beast would have fallen in love and Forte would have doubled his audience.
Now,t since it was made clear after THIS video was made that all the servants would have turned completely into what they had been transformed into, I think Forte was not aware of this. If he had, he would have reluctantly accepted the idea of becoming human again. I do believe though that had he not died and the Beast would forgive him, he could have remained a valuable member of the court. At least that's how I would write it.
I've said this to someone else, he seems a little bit suicidal.
Because possessed organs are logical beings.
@@SacredMilkOG 😂😂😂😂 Well, you've got a point there. But none of the other characters have gone insane to the point of murder. The wardrobe & piano were a bit nutty, but in an eccentric way.
@@tamarasmith9060 I was just goofin :) and I dunno... that boiler in the basement looks extra sketch.
Forte always scared me when I was little
Me too
I somehow totally forgot my Santa hat for this video... but that's okay! I think the video still turned out great and I hope you enjoyed it! By the way, to stay connected with the magic of Wotso Videos all of the time in between my videos on RUclips make sure to follow me @WotsoVideos on Twitter and Instagram! Have a very, merry holiday season and a magical day!
Happy Holidays!
Hope you have a Super sayian week and a Merry Cheerful Christmas same it's on vhs too but feels a need on dvd my favorite sequel
Awesome video Wotso Videos👍🙂
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Thanks for a great video and breakdown of forte
One thing about Forte: Smashing! *(Old Pennywise begins to laugh)*
Oh I get it, The Beast destroys Forte’s keyboard by smashing it!
@@jasminejohnston6393 well that and he is voiced by Tim Curry. *(Nigel Thornberry and the original Pennywise)*
LMAO yep! 😂
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When Forte cackles, I can hear Pennywise cackling too
Forte always scared me as a kid, this story was actually extremely interesting. Thank you for discussing it! :)
Forte gave me nightmares
I won't blame you he STILL gave me nightmares.
Forte’s hunger for more respect lead him to believe that he would be better off being a magical instrument. CRAZY!
Yep. Not realizing if the curse came to fruitation, he and all the beasts servants would die and become non-living objects
Actually, wasn’t that thing of “if the last rose petal fall, we’ll all die” a thing of the remake?, in the original they were going to stay the same, with the only thing of concern being the Beast now becoming a monster in mind and soul, or I dunno, Forte would have take a toll from his selfish wish regardless
Easily the scariest looking Disney villain and he’s so underrated 😂😂😂
Glad to see someone else who actually loved Enchanted Christmas growing up. I think I loved it for the same reasons: loving Beauty and the Beast and loving Christmas. Also I loved the song As Long As There's Christmas and it remains one of my favorite Christmas songs to this day.
Yeah I was a big fan! That is cool you've had a positive experience with the film and its music as well.
I think what we need now, since you can clearly see that Adam was in fact a child or preteen or whatever by the movie, is a video explaining why his parents were not present at their party!
Brooklyn Mills I think they’re supposed to be dead and that’s why he’s bitter
@@Roberto-mm4gr I agree. They died and the staff felt sorry for him and spoiled him rotten. Both our of duty and pity. Once the monster was created, no one had the courage correct him.
So this might sound lame, but this video ended up helping me a lot. My mom just passed away about a month ago and Christmas is getting really hard. I haven't been in the mood for anything. Then I randomly clicked on this video and liked it so much that I went and watched the movie because I've never seen it. First time I've felt happy all day. So thank you. Maybe you could do a video in the future on the movie itself. That would be cool.
@@mayustri I'm sorry to hear that, especially at your age. Stay strong! Thank you so much.
Hugs to you, Daron Silvers. My mom died over two years ago, a month before Mother's Day. It's always hard when certain holidays roll around. It's okay to do what you need to get through the holiday. I was 36 when Mom died, and it's no easier when you are older.
I hooe you all have a great new year. Things get better with time.
I’m sorry 😢.
hats off to Tim Curry for voicing this great character
He's scary but epic
@ginaldoggo yes really
So are you
Someone else probably already commented this but what the heck
"I'M BOLTED TO THE *WALL* !!"
If they made a live action version of this movie, he would be horrifying.
Hmmm
Don’t start giving Disney ideas
when I was young i really thought about it and I believe that the Forte in realistic form with same design would look even more terrifying and epic
I haven't seen the movie for a very long time; but tbh, I still have that Christmas song, from the movie, still stuck in my head after all these years. And I still remember parts of the movie promo, from another Disney VHS, when I was about to watch that Winny the Pooh movie, the one with the gang went out looking for Christopher Robin.
Edit: Now I remember, the movie is called "Pooh's Grand Adventure: The Search for Christopher Robin".
‘As long as there’s Christmas I truly believe’
Ah, good times
This will always be my Christmas guilty pleasure 😊
I wonder if Forte’s view would have changed if he realized that by failing to break the enchantment in time, they all would become what they appeared in truth, not just shape. Obviously he didn’t care at the very end, but before it got to that point, would he have reconsidered? Knowing that, without Belle’s influence, he would have become nothing more than a lifeless pipe organ, a collection of dusty pipes sitting in a desolate, forgotten castle, empty save for a mindless animal prowling the halls and shoving aside broken furniture and shattered dish ware, all semblance of humanity long lost, bereft even of the music that once soothed him. No more music, no more master to serve. Just the roar of a twisted beast curled in his den, attacking any who stumble upon the ruins.
I love the Enchanted Christmas and Forte is a great Villian! Merry Christmas!
9:51 They can't fall in love if they're *DED!*
The Enchanted Christmas Is Easily The Best Christmas Movie Ever.
Don’t wanna be _that_ person, but *cough cough* POLAR EXPRESS *cough cough*
Any chance that this enchantress is the same as the one in Aladdin, King of Thieves?
That was an Oracle. Oracles are wise spirits that inhabit objects or come to those in times of need while Enchantresses and people of magically endowed skills and abilities. Though they are close within the realm of magic they are slightly different
Maybe she's the one who put genie in the lamp in the first place
I believe that Isaac has a video of this enchantress and Pinocchio’s Blue Fairy.
i think she is the same on 90% places.
Actually, the Enchantress looks more like a character from Disney's Gargoyles.
Hey Isaac! I have an idea for a video, with that being a video about Sofia the First that explores what happened to Sofia's biological father, and maybe just some background on who he was. It's just a suggestion, but I thought that it would be a very interesting video topic that you might possibly be interested in :>
Keep up with the good work!
He was lost at sea
@@bridgetteturner7510 yes
Everything Tim Curry touches turns to gold
I LOVED this video! Forte is a villain that has stuck with me ever since I first saw this movie! Thank you SO MUCH for making this video! ❤️
As a kid Forte REALLY scared me and he still scares me I mean look at his design forget Maleficent as a Dragon or Jafar as a Cobra or evil Genie Forte is scary to look at! Awesome video Isaac!!
Forte saying to Fife:
“She pulls him (Beast) from my grasp”.
Not really an attraction to Adam like I’ve read in so many fanfic, but more like a desire of manipulating to get the attention and the acknowledgement he ever wanted.
It is a relationship based on manipulation. Forte dominates the Master. And before it was the Master who dominated Forte.
We have here a perfect sample of the Karpman dram triangle: victim, rescuer, persecutor.
Before the enchantment, Forte is both a victim and persecuted. Adam persecuted him and “rescued” him by being the dominator with his high status as a Prince. And after the enchantment, the roles change. Forte is the rescuer and persecutor and the Beast the victim. And Forte finds a total control in this role. It gives me a sense to his Life. He is admitted both as an artist and as a person. Something makes me think he has fought his whole life to have people’s attention for his person as a whole. And Belle, a young person, breaks what he’s been built for years in no time. This is a recurrent issue in Disney’s movies. A young people who, in no time, breaks what the “old” person has made in years.
He couldn’t accept that the Beast needed more than music or friendship. Just love and someone that could shake him up. Maestro couldn’t be this person.
No love or sexual attraction in that. Just a game Maestro tried to play to follow as he could the social contract.
Maestro is genuinely aware of the superficiality of our society. Knowing that he couldn’t never change it made him fall in cynicism and misanthropy.
The Beast was his last hope not to face his doom. By falling in love of Belle, the Beast sounded Forte’s death knell.
Forte is subtle, and he used his music for destruction and torment because he finally controlled his master, the one who disregarded his works and Belle ruined his plans.
I loved this movie as a child. Tim Curry makes the best villain, he’s an excellent actor. I found it sad that he died at the end of the film. I found it tragic that he couldn’t adjust to other forms of music.
Forte’s music is ahead of it’s time, in our standards it maybe seem beautiful in its own way, but in his era, it was seen as gloomy as it’s different from the norm
Belle herself was looked down on from being different
And other great artists like Mozart and in painting Van Gogh weren’t truly appreciated until after they died
Forte is like that in that regard, he was a unappreciated genius that got into his way in Prince Adam’s court
But He wasn’t appreciative for his work
It’s not that easy for an artist to go to other styles, especially those that want to be different, want to create and explore
For art is expression, Forte like any artist wanted to create his own music and have it appreciated by others, especially his Master the Prince
On Christmas, he went out of his way to create an original peace in the Prince’s honor, but was rejected and saw as gloomy
Then the enchantment came
Forte being reborn as his own instrument was a dream come true, he can create like never before, to be truly one with music
What’s more, his work was finally being appreciated by Beast whose suffering depression
Like many depressed people today find comfort in music, Beast found comfort in the work he once rejected
Forte finally wasn’t just being appreciated, he was needed, becoming the Beast’s friend and confidante the last 10 years
Then Belle came and threatened to take it all away
Forte loved his form, not only having an eternal lifespan, and power, he also is one with his art, and his position made him needed by Beast
If the enchanting ends and Beast is happy, Forte is no longer needed, like before
He became mad in desperation, trying to keep Beast depressed and dependent on him by either killing Belle or alienating her from Beast, when neither work, he was desperate enough to try destroy everything in his madness which led to his Tragic end
@@christophersanchez7731 That makes a lot sense, thank you. Still wish they would have come up with a more amicable solution though, but sometimes there just isn't one.
Oh wow this took me back!!! This was a really good movie! My favorite thing was the song " As long as there's Christmas" and Tim Curry ( voice of Forte) is always the best part in any movie.
Forte's presence, appearance and introduction (as a self-playing piano) makes me question if 'is this a Christmas special or a halloween treat?'
It might have been one of those movies that is both Halloween AND Christmas, like The Nightmare Before Christmas.
Just Enough Budget to Animate TIM CURRY'S LIPS!
Cool thing about pipe organs: Despite being built to be a "one-man orchestra," in medieval times before electric motors, they needed a full staff manning the bellows. Forte in his enchated form would be the first man to truly be a solo orchestra, a fact he no doubt revelled in. Even better, he didn’t have the human limitations of which keyboards he could access and could play foot pedals as easily as the finger panels. Any organist would kill for such an opportunity, even if it meant effective imprisonment.
You see, because the organ is such a massive, expensive, and grand instrument, they were associated exclusively with churches and nobility. If you could play the organ on your own and had the ABILITY to play dissonance on a pipe organ, it effectively meant you had *the power of God.*
So it makes perfect sense how Forte loves his new form and why he was able to manifest so much power in it. Despite being the most confined out of anyone, he is in his version of paradise, and actually doesn't really care about the Beast, he just wants to enjoy eternity playing whatever he wants, whenever he wants, and needs nobody to help him.
It’s nice that Forte had a Counterpart in the Live Action Reboot, a Good Guy that also happens to be the husband of one of the other characters.
Wait really that cool
I believe that character was a Harpsichord. which is much less intimidating than a Pipe Organ.
Who else never heard of Forte but watched this vid anyway...
No one? Ok..,
*awkwardly backs out of room*
Same
Me
Hey I'm same
*backs out of room after you*
I watched this vid BECAUSE I had never heard of him. Wasn't even aware that there was a midquel and sequel for Beauty and the Beast.
Thank you so much for doing a video on Forte, he's so cool and vastly underrated. You provided lots of interesting insights. 😀
“You are in much more danger in this very room, I assure you.”
So much to unpack there.
I got to that part and thought, “welp, in hindsight, you weren’t exactly wrong there. 😶”
With that line, Forte was actually threatening Belle with violence
And here we have the third and final, forgotten Carlin brother.
“I’M MOUNTED TO THE WALL!” So intense...
I remember being fascinated with Forte and becoming obsessed with Pipe Organs after seeing this movie. I used to just draw him again and again pipe by pipe until I was satisfied! LOL!
2:23 until everything changed when the fire nation attacked
Beauty and the Beast enchanted Christmas (Beast killing his actual serving) - A lot a lot of fandom asking various a questions about the first movie especially about Beast killing his actual serving....well they show it on screen in this Christmas sequel they didn't shy away of the death Maestro Forte Fife tells the Beast that Forte's power comes from the keyboard so he he slammed his keyboard (A.K.A his heart in his lungs when he turned into a organ) in the last screenshot Beast did the right thing but still feeling guilty about it to kill Maestro Forte. what's even darker about this scene of The frist movie belle and adam finally kiss to make the curse broken everyone in the castle Turn Back To Human except for Maestro Forte STILL is a broken organ.
That could be a possibility.
Or Forte returned to his human form but is still dead. So in essence, Adam has a dead corpse in his chambers lol
Real question: how did he get into the master's chamber that quick before he was transformed?? Was he teleported
This movie ads more plot holes to the story then the original.
I think that might be the case. Someone on another site once suggested the Enchantress deliberately put Forte there just so he could be available for the Beast. I once wrote a fanfic where we find out the Enchantress put the curse on the household because the whole lot of them were, one way or another, messed up when it came to relationships. She felt it was her duty to set them all on the right path.
@@adnilnosnhoj The live version of the movie touches on this. The servents blame themselves for not helping him more with relationships and accept their punishment. I always wondered why no one had tried to help him, the movie goes into the reasons.
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💜❤💚💙💛 Love Forte! Especially since he's voiced none other by Tim Curry! Thanks for doing this vid. He's one of the most underappreciated Disney villains. Like Ratigan from The Great Mouse Detective.
Nice Video. Forte is a really good villain.
Now I remember why he scared me on top of his face. His voice actor, Tim Curry, was the original IT...
Original ?
Even after his death beast still mourned forte he did care
I loved this movie as a kid. It was my favorite Christmas special. Thank you for making this video. Hop you're having a wonderful holiday season.
No wonder why all the enchanted servants avoided the west wing like please
Yay I love beauty and the best
I am so glad someone made a video about Forte, even when people says that this movie was stupid and underrated (which I disagree). Not only is B&TB is my fav lovestory but this movie is also a part from it. I only saw the trailer when I was younger and I never was able to watch it, until this year I remember scenes of the organ aka Forte. Finally I have watched it and I have another new fav villain upon my list (especially been voiced by the awesome Tim Curry). Well done on making this video and thanx you for Forte's backstory, Wotso!
Merry Christmas Isaac!! 🎅🏻
I think that Forte looks like he should be in the nightmare before Christmas
Since he looks like Oogie Boogie
@@hollywoodnoire who??
It was partially because of Forte that I began to develop a love for pipe organ music. Though I used to be scared of him when I was younger, I have grown over it.
Frollo and Forte are my top favorites. You are so good at wording plots
(0:28) Its My mood when I don’t get Wotso Videos and Food!! ❤️😅😁
"Oh heavens, *IM* *BOLTED* *TO* *THE* *WALL* !"
Forte:
*DONT GET STRUNG OUT*
*BY THE WAY I LOOK*
*DONT JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COOVVAAAHAH*
“I’m not much of a man by the light of day
But by night I’m one hell of a lover.”
Looks as if you’re home for Christmas. Hope you have a jolly holiday!🎄
I get that Forte is insane, but during the climax of the film I can't help but focus on the fact that he wasn't thinking clearly. His entire claim to power is by having a close relationship to the Master - manipulating him as it were...He wants the curse to remain, so that he can maintain that power and relevance...BUT...at the end, he's willing to kill both Belle AND the Beast to stop the curse from being lifted.
...What exactly was he planning to do if he succeeded and both of them died? For the one thing...the only person who listened to him or even liked him would now be dead, and everyone else in the castle would've lost their only hope at being human again. Needless to say, I'm pretty sure they'd abandon Forte to his own isolated room in the castle and he'd never see another living soul again.
Then what would his plan have been if Belle died but the Beast survived? Did he really think the Master would be content with letting Belle's murderer exist in his castle?
All I'm saying, no matter what happens - all of this ends badly for him.
I completely agree and I kind of think part of him maybe knew that. I think he would rather be destroyed then ever become an insignificant human again; it's kind of a dark idea but as you explained no matter what he was going to lose in some way.
IMHO, I think being bolted to the wall, like a prisoner hanging from a dungeon wall, drove the sensitive artist insane. The ONLY comfort HE had in this way was the comfort he gave Adam through his music. As a human, he had mobility and freedom but no one appreciated him or validated his talent. He now had someone "love" him, and not just anyone -it was a royal! The master of the house in fact! What a rush to the ego!
If he had not been isolated in the darkness, if the other servants besides Fife had visited him regularly, he might have stayed focused on the benefits to returning to humanity, but as we know that did not happen.
Once he realized he had no control over the beast, he had a complete nervous breakdown. He lost all sense of what he was actually doing. He was acting out of absolute pain. In his eyes, he had spent 10 years as a prisoner hanging on a dungeon wall, only to be kicked to the curb forgotten and alone. It wasn't returning to humanity he dreaded, it was returning to a life of loneliness and obscurity.
Had Disney just taken an extra 3-5 minutes, they could have had Beast assure him that he would always think of him as a valued friend. Belle could have told him it was alright if he didn't like all the cheeriness to Christmas, that she understood not everyone is into all that. Then when they go back to the next Christmas, where Mrs. Potts was retelling the story, and Adam cues for the music, you see Forte at the party as well, but smugly yet gently hands the honors to Fife.
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@@CherryBun0325 hey you again :D
Amazing Issac could you do pipes story too? (Dunno if I spelt his name right)
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Wester Frost thank you omg I had no idea how his name was spelled
Kiara LionessTM {Kiara Fray Fairchild} You’re welcome!
Forte is so underrated!
+Wotso Videos Awesome discussion about Maestro Fotre. Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas is one of my favourite Disney Christmas movies. Forte is one of the most sadistic direct-to-video villains I really love to hate, with the second being Zira from The Lion King II: Simba's Pride.
I hope you have a wonderful Merry Christmas, Isaac. I can't wait for more new videos in 2019. I have some ideas for you that you can do for future videos.
Direct to video? What?
@@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072 Direct-to-video means that it got released to home video (VHS and DVD) instead of having a theatrical release.
@@jackrlmiller that’s weird…I could’ve sworn I saw it in theatres because I distinctly rmemwmber cowering between seats when Forte fell over
Pretty good Issac! 😄 Keep it coming! :) Great naration and story. Perfect! :D
Does forte kinda looks like the magic mirror from snow white
Hey, you’re right
I like Forte alot. My favorite villain of the 90s.
Can u do a video on where pixie dust comes from if u can
Just imagine how amazing it would have been if Forte had been included into the live action movie as a second villain. If well written and executed having both Gaston and Fortes stories in could create an incredible and grand movie
Just IMAGINE the possibilities of (visual) story telling!
That would have been so much fun to watch.
Yeah like they did with Gaston
I was hoping for that honesty
Why would a villa name themselves Forte Instead of Fortissimo?
I still don‘t know why they didn‘t at least give him a rounded character arc. He was kind of a boss villain.
Adam and Forte’s dynamic is like Othello and Iago. I wonder if this was intentional like the Hamlet reference to the usurping uncle Scar in The Lion King.
Kida from Atlantis the lost empire
Rose 564 I really want to seeher become an off Disney Princess even though she was the first princess to become a Queen by the the end of her film... TAKE THAT ELSA!!
Also I have always had a crush on Kida!
I wonder if when the spell was eventually broken, if the remains of Forte would become a dead body, or if it would just remain a broken organ.
I’m going the latter, as the curse sealed his fate.
Can you imagine Forte the Evil Pipe Organ as a boss fight in a Kingdom Hearts game?
Yes I can, and I will keep wishing until they make this a thing 🥺🤧❤️
Forte reminds me of The devil ...
When I was a kid I thought Forte was so cool! He never scared me lol
Oh? Elaborate 🎤
this was so amazing thanks for doing this video i love beauty and the beast enchanted christmas forte was the best villain amazing video and have a merry christmas.
One slight correction: Forte was a self-taught pianist/organist. He wouldn't have become a pipe organ if he wasn't an organist.
Tim Curry just has the most perfect voice for a villain in animated movies. As a matter of fact, I can't remember watching anything with Tim Curry where he wasn't a villain or at least an unkind character.
I think Forte serves as the Benidict Arnold of the beast and his servants.
I remember watching this movie as a kid, so glad you made a video about it.
What really amuses me is that he doesn't realize that once the last petal falls, all the servants become inanimate objects. So instead of spending his time honing his skill and making the music he loves so that he can continue to play it once they're human again, he fights to keep the curse and inevitably dooms himself to disappear for good.
Forte apparently loved to play scary music, so he could have upon the spell being broken, he could have left working for the Prince and auditioned for the musician picked for performances of the sawing-in-half act. I saw the sawing-in-half act at an inexpensive circus in the summer of 1993, and during the act, there was spooky music that you'd associate with a Halloween movie.
That was totally AWESOME! Thank you, Isaac. I'm so glad I found your channel and I can continue to support you on Patreon.
8:22 beast is floating. soon you float too
While I’m no fan of The Enchanted Christmas, I will admit that there is one good thing about it. TIM CURRY
hey man. im not a doctor but your lips for the last few videos are becoming more and more blue. it looks almost cynotic, idk if its make up but if its not please go talk to your doctor. you make great videos... also if its super cold it might add the discoloration
Sweet, I love villains who use music antagonistically. Forte fits the bill.