I do a lot of benevolent things, not to be seen favourably by others, but to help, make the world a better place, and to set an example to others, even when those things are done in stealth.
This is a little counterintuitive. From the video you could conclude that a very cohesive society like Japan, where most people take pride in conforming to the norm to allow for the wellbeing of others, is actually a very vain society for it is the individual vanity that makes people behave in a cohesive way. By contrast, a society like the U.S. who values more independence or even individualism is then less vain by that measure. Or is it a different type of vanity that we observe where people pretend to be free from the judgment of others?
You could argue that a society like the U.S. is less vain compared to a society like Japan. The fact that over 75% of the population in the U.S. are overweight or obese is a sign that they care slighty less about what others think of them, and I'm not talking about looks only - the direct medical costs of obesity is almost $1 billion.
@@kateschmateindeed, this is a fact. This is why I find the definition of vanity in the video counter intuitive as I tend to associate vanity with individualism (you care more about yourself than others).
@@Ike2412 I understand the way you think, but individualism is a political philosophy and doesn’t necessarily mean that you don’t care about what people think of you, or that you wouldn’t want to be liked by others. Individualism and vanity have some similarities but they are still different.
Conformity can be caused by tyranny rather than vanity. Japan is a slightly more tyrannical society than America. The Japanese aren't trying to seem better than one another. They just want to stay out of trouble. Americans however, do want to appear better than each other.
Mmm... Interesting but once you're over forty you truly start caring less about what others think of you... I didn't believe that was possible until it started happening to me... 😄
This is built on an inaccurate understanding of "vanity" in Western Civilization. In the Bible (which is where this admonition against vanity has its roots), the word that we translate as vanity has a sense of futility attached to it, as efforts performed in vain amount to nothing. It's not just "Oh I care how I appear to others." It's more about caring so much about how one appears to others that one will do things that have no effect on them whatsoever. The desire for approval in the eyes of others is not in and of itself vain. I understand completely where he is going with this, but it's just built on a bad foundation. The structure is solid, but philosophers should try to stay away from language that had its initial motivation through religion.
Did you become monster or brute then? Socrate meant it other way about negative views of others on thou, here in this video vanity referring positive societal norms like generosity or kindness. Grow up kiddo!
@@stephenguppy7882 ...or bbc censorship (this is the second time I'm writing this comment, because ironically enough, my comment about BBC censorship was deleted 😆)
thinking about yourself and caring about how you are perceived are the virtual definition of unhappiness
YES
agree, at the end of the day we'll all die..so who cares
A wonderful little video about social recognition packaged in a provocative title.
I do a lot of benevolent things, not to be seen favourably by others, but to help, make the world a better place, and to set an example to others, even when those things are done in stealth.
Which you made sure to post here publicly.
This is a little counterintuitive. From the video you could conclude that a very cohesive society like Japan, where most people take pride in conforming to the norm to allow for the wellbeing of others, is actually a very vain society for it is the individual vanity that makes people behave in a cohesive way.
By contrast, a society like the U.S. who values more independence or even individualism is then less vain by that measure. Or is it a different type of vanity that we observe where people pretend to be free from the judgment of others?
You could argue that a society like the U.S. is less vain compared to a society like Japan. The fact that over 75% of the population in the U.S. are overweight or obese is a sign that they care slighty less about what others think of them, and I'm not talking about looks only - the direct medical costs of obesity is almost $1 billion.
@@kateschmateindeed, this is a fact. This is why I find the definition of vanity in the video counter intuitive as I tend to associate vanity with individualism (you care more about yourself than others).
@@Ike2412 I understand the way you think, but individualism is a political philosophy and doesn’t necessarily mean that you don’t care about what people think of you, or that you wouldn’t want to be liked by others. Individualism and vanity have some similarities but they are still different.
Conformity can be caused by tyranny rather than vanity. Japan is a slightly more tyrannical society than America. The Japanese aren't trying to seem better than one another. They just want to stay out of trouble. Americans however, do want to appear better than each other.
Mmm... Interesting but once you're over forty you truly start caring less about what others think of you... I didn't believe that was possible until it started happening to me... 😄
Now do a video talking about Hegel's concept of "recognition", please.
Status. There is no escaping our desire for high status.
we "evolved vanity" in order to procreate.
1:48 the handsomest 😅😂
This is built on an inaccurate understanding of "vanity" in Western Civilization. In the Bible (which is where this admonition against vanity has its roots), the word that we translate as vanity has a sense of futility attached to it, as efforts performed in vain amount to nothing. It's not just "Oh I care how I appear to others." It's more about caring so much about how one appears to others that one will do things that have no effect on them whatsoever.
The desire for approval in the eyes of others is not in and of itself vain. I understand completely where he is going with this, but it's just built on a bad foundation. The structure is solid, but philosophers should try to stay away from language that had its initial motivation through religion.
One Socrates quote made me really stop caring what people think or say about me.
Did you become monster or brute then? Socrate meant it other way about negative views of others on thou, here in this video vanity referring positive societal norms like generosity or kindness. Grow up kiddo!
Which quote
Ted Ed rn:
🤔 this looks similar…
you must be careful about what we pretend to be? first vain, then society, then morality.
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Why was my comment deleted? I didn't say anything offensive or untrue. I simply gave a counterargument to disagree with the conclusions of this video
Typical RUclips censorship I'm afraid. If one of their lot dislikes one word of what we write, they censor you.
@@stephenguppy7882 ...or BBC censorship
automatic deletion
@@stephenguppy7882 ...or bbc censorship
(this is the second time I'm writing this comment, because ironically enough, my comment about BBC censorship was deleted 😆)
@@hhhieronymusbotch That's not what irony means and the BBC is permitted to moderate the comments on their channel videos. No injustice has been done.
Adam Smith has so many bad takes. 2 star philosopher. Caring about how others view is doesn’t necessarily need to be vain, or at least not prideful.
Not true. not everyone likes attention.
All the animation is just annoying!
Our Islam religion teaches us to be small in our own eyes, if we can keep that mindset Allah will make us Big in peoples eyes 💕
Christianity says that those with the least now will gain the most in heaven
That would be your version. Yes?
@@godlovesyou1995 And the Pope lives in a palace.