Diesel vs Hybrid | Which goes further on €20 worth of fuel? | CarsIreland.ie
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- Sinead McCann and Irish Independent Motoring Editor Eddie Cunningham accepted a challenge from Skoda Ireland to find out which will travel further on €20 worth of fuel - a Toyota Auris Hybrid, or a diesel Skoda Octavia.
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It depends a lot on your driving style when it comes to hybrid. The same engine can return 76mpg if driven properly with the use of hybrid indicator but if you keep pushing the gas hard, the same engine will hardly return 45 miles to the gallon.
I've done 80 mpg with 2 adults, 2 child's and luggage , on a diesel engine (108hp) in summer. A trip of over 3400 miles.
Sounds good?!
For city electric or hybrid, for long drives diesel.
they were driven with the same style of driving on the same roads
from what it looks they drove economically and quite slow to get the most range.
I must be miss something here, hybrid cars are designed mostly for cities and short distances, they shine in situations of continuing "stop and go" , not for long distances where of course diesel rules, i believe the hybrid has outdone itself
That's because you'll run the battery out running in the long distance, the battery is recharged on stops, and begins after the gas gets it started, so it's designed for countries like Japan where they're not going to be going for long drives.
@@jackson5116 You are very wrong. The Japanese often drive long distance. The hybrid car is designed for city driving. The concept has nothing to do with the country of origin. I drive 10,000km long distance every year in Japan. Don't forget that Japan is bigger than the UK (about 1.5 x the size).
@@ET-cj8jo What’s the UK got to do with it? Video was made in Ireland.
so jack's wrong on two counts, unless they were driving on power mode, the battery isn't drained on long distances xd
@@murpho999 Apologies. I meant to use the UK as an example that Japan is not so small and that people drive long distances, similar to the UK which is also a multi-island relatively small country.
I had a Ford Focus 1.8 tdci and now I have a 2015 auris hybrid.
Long straight journeys at a regular speed the diesel gave better mpg, but city driving the auris.
I loved my ford however the auris is so much more of a pleasant drive. Quiet engine unless really flooring it, no smelly fuel coming out of the back. Less maintenance with things like starter motors, DPF, discs and pads. Plus free or with the 2017 up models very low road tax.
I cannot think of any reason why I would choose that Skoda over the auris.
No brainer in my opinion even if the Skoda did last a little longer. I’d be willing to bet that the auris will be cheaper over the course of your ownership.
Perhaps you have a point however it's not in the people's interest to have a 'government' taxing working people into their political thinking, especially since 3/4 of the rest of the world don't follow the Alarmist in the EU's crazy views about the world burning itself to death because of the private motorists?..
I also have Focus 1.8 tdci 2009 and now i buy auris 2015 hybrid....auris is awsome
Do the same test..In the City...
Yes, that's what the hybrid for. It will give 2-3x more range than non hybrid. Diesel has very high torque at low rpm, good for highway but sucks in city.
@@rondhole it depends on how you drive and more power lower down in the rpm range is better for stop and go you don’t have to rev as much
also, try doing that with a hybrid Yaris, especially the new 2021 Yaris!
And do the same test in a German Autobahn while driving continuously over 150 km/h. I wonder if hybrid can reach half the range of diesel in that case.
This road test seems to be another diesel gate scandal.. Drive 50% city and 50 highway and then see what stops first. I drive a 2021 camry and I get over 65mpg combined, I get 57mpg on motorway 65-70mpg on A roads and in the city I get 52mpg if I have to stop and go on traffic lights. I don't believe they know how to drive a hybrid
For this test to be fair you need to put in the same amount of fuel. 20litres each and see where that goes. Mainly because of the worldwide difference in fuel price as well as to be fair to both cars
running the number that would result in the diesel giing about 8 km further in this specific test
@@fuseteamHow? Diesel had 0.66 litre more fuel.
You did a wrong test. Test should be both cars tank full. Then drove 100 miles and refill the tank again and check how much it cast to full the tank. And get the 100% mpg
And also use the car. Diesel version vs hybrid of the same car. Not to mention same driver.
@@ninakozlova2181 I do not see a problem in using different cars to demonstrate the efficiency of diesel engines. I would agree that the method used could be better. In addition, if the test was done in the city only, the clear winner would be the hybrid. Further more, if the 1.5 liter Yaris hybrid was used instead of the 1.8 liter Auris the result would have been undisputable.
If the diesel still had that much in reserve how do you know that when you put in €20 there wasn’t still a lot of reserve still on the tank. To make it fair it would have to have been brand new vehicles that never had gas in it.
The tanks were drained by a professional.
its still fake. diesel drive fruther than petrol but not hybrids otherwise toyota wouldve just made diesels instead
@@xondeez757 Depends on the driving you do.
Hybrids are popular with taxis and city drivers with a lot of stop-starting and a lot of speeds under 30-40mph, where combustion engines are very inefficient.
But on long journeys with very little stop-starting, and speeds closer to 50mph or above, hybrids are almost entirely reliant on the engine and the electric contributes little to nothing.
@@xondeez757 Peugeot has hybrid DIESEL. Do you know?
@@xondeez757I know this post is old but I’m looking at getting a hybrid because I spend 400 a month or more on petrol but I’ve been calculating exactly how far a full tank takes me and it does about 200km better than my moms petrol hybrid. My tank is 49l and hers is 47l. So with that in mind, sadly doesn’t seem like I’d benefit from a hybrid whatsoever
I worked out from the figures and prices that if the same quantity of diesel as petrol (in litres) was used then the Skoda would still have beaten the Toyota but only by about 5km.
I deserve a bag of Tayto for my efforts.
Test it in city with lots of traffic jam. The difference could be dramatic. 2-3x more range in Hybrid.
I worked out that if I was driving the hybrid it would have done at least 25 miles more than the diesel
@@rondhole Your correct and what cc/s as in engines in both cars!!! I can assure you if it was the 1.8 cc Hybrid 2021 I am more than sure it would have still be running how ever the Hybrid was designed for if you likes of city /town driving and as for me I go for boot space eg Toyota 1.8cc Estate Sports Touring Sports 2021 :) If you like a faster car then go for the 2.0cc Toyota Sports Tour :) which is much better for the Motorways and more poke from the engine but you will use more fuel. 2.0cc around 55 miles to the gallon and the 1.8cc Estate in and around 65 miles to the gallon or more. PS I am from N.Ireland and we don't have that many long Motorway's :( How ever S.Ireland have a bigger choice.
If the hybrid did less miles you weren't driving it properly
In Belgium :
1.25€ a litre of 95e10
1.41€ à litre for diesel ...
greece 1,6 litre for 95e10
1,3 a litre for diesel
If they both had the same amount of fuel put in it would have been a more accurate match.
Yeah and now diesel is more expensive than petrol so it doesn't make sense. They could use the same amount of fuel and just say how much it would cost xD
Yes true that diesel would have gone even further if thay put the same amount in both cars as diesel is moor expensive 👍
@@mattlawton4715 This was in 2018. It is visible that the diesel got more fuel in it.
At the start You see that there was 13.4L petrol and 14.0 diesel. Seems like they did really close as that 0.6 L would take you for another 10-15km
Great idea.
Would have preferred to see an mpg test. The reserve tank is too anomalous.
my lowest consumption on the MY2015 Auris Hybrid hatchback is 990 km with 37l (at the pump). that's about 3.76 l/100 km - normal, defensive driving, 70% A and B roads, 30% city driving. Tire pressure 2.5 bar all around (ECO), and with eco mode on. and don't worry, nobody had to wait for me to accelerate.
Not bad! :)
bet that was a fun trip. Like waiting for the injection to numb your mouth in the dentist waiting room.
Around town the hybrid would be far better than a diesel, on the motorway the diesel performs better, hybrid is much more efficient in stop start situations
I’ve had a 1.6 diesel in my 2011 b7 Passat and it’s too small for a car that size therefore was barely any different on fuel compared to a 2 litre diesel due to the 1.6 working a lot harder. My point is if your using the 1.6 you should have it in a small car like a golf which is similar size to the hybrid
That's not a small car
The new Suzuki alto however
To move a certain weight you need to consume a fixed amount of kw/power ... 1.6 or 2.0 has to produce the same kw requirement .... petrol or diesel its like a KW storage liquid multiplied with engine efficiency ... so its the same fuel amount required for the same amount of kw needed ... but the moving friction or weight of a bigger engine can require some extra fuel but not so much more ... the start stop system reduced the amount of fuel spent in traffic jams where big engines have higher fuel waste ... small engine has no problem but people "reasonable expectations" are not reasonable at all ...
Greetings from Greece! interesting test but may i suggest you make the same test in traffic conditions?i bet the hybrid goes further!would be an interesting test for those who drive their car mainly in the city.Thank you and i love your channel.keep up with the good job.
Now do it in the northen where petrol is cheaper.
I love my 3 litre turbo diesel Japanese import van from 1997 , it’s powerful, smooth and bulletproof, don’t get many petrols that age and miles and you won’t get any electric vehicles doing 16 years let alone 26
Please note Toyota have up graded their batteries from NiCad to Lithium over the last 2 years :)
That's why the most reasonable solution is DIESEL HYBRID :)
I have 2 of them: 1) Peugeot 508 Hybrid 4 Sedan and 2) Volvo V60 D6 Twin Engine. I'm just wondering which one will stay with me for longer but everything shows that... 508 Hybrid4 :) It is simply better car, more fuel efficient and has got amazing range (7.5l at 140kmh, 72l fuel tank, so at real life it gaves 1000km range at trip with no-stop :DDDD and in very comfortable conditions ). So my brain tells me: tajke 508 Hy4 ! But... My heart tells me - we do like to drive as crazy. And than almost 300hp Volvo D6... is a way better car. And is 25-30kmh full electric car in city. Really hard to choose :-(
I don't understand why the diesel hybrid option is not more popular. You get the best of both worlds.
@@Domski777 diesel is a byproduct of crude oil distillation process which means that there's less diesel than there is petrol.
The difference is only 22 km. You add 1.5L of petrol more in hybrid to reach the same distance. It means, if europe bans diesel car, Hybrid "almost" can replace it. With low carbon emision and less smell🤔🤔🤔
One of the most interesting and informative videos I've seen on hybrid.
Even though there was initially more volume of diesel con 20 Euros, when doing mpg, the diesel, still was more efficient.
And gave off 38 more grams of CO2 per klm.
I have my 2017 Auris estate, i manage to get from 40L fuel 850km or 531 miles, mostly in city traffic. No turbo or injection headache, no EGR or DPF troubles, no cluctch or timing replacment, low emisions. Cheap to run. Never diesel.
Totally correct in city traffic. Getting the same average fuel consumption as you with my TDI Octavia. But maybe only 30% city traffic. Diesel needs to warm up. Never buy for mainly short trips. Problems are guaranteed.
Interesting. Had this test been conducted in the UK then the Toyota would have won (not by much) just due to the difference in fuel costs as diesel is so much more and in some instances 10p per litre more than petrol.
Yes, it depends on the time of the month on that one. Although I’m not sure how that would compare now with E10 petrol.
I'm not sure that it would have won. But they definitely should've done the test with 20 litres (or 15 litres) rather than £20.
on LPG a standard petrol car would beat all of them. Even an old 4 litre Jaguar XJ running on LPG would do over 200km.
The only problem I have, is they empty the fuel tank, but the filter on the diesel have like a tons of diesel in it, and the hybrid has like a drop compared to it. so it's not really the same. When measuring on lesser amounts and untill dry it matters quite a bit.
Well, but they didn't drain the battery either so....
Lovely Jubbly, nice experiment between 2 cars, living in the real world, not some laboratory.
Real-world in the city or highway? The difference is nominal, about 10% in highway but the Hybrid will be 100% more range in city for sure. Especially when the speed limit below 50mph.
@@rondhole your correct :) City driving is what the Hybrid was designed for not racing up Motorways .
Then the only question is did you have the hybrid car in economy mode
Wait a minute, diesel is cheaper than petrol in Ireland? It's about 10-13 pence more per litre In the UK.
Not up in N.Ireland my friend as Petrol is much cheaper up in N.Ireland.
@@donkirk5433 yes, but Northern Ireland is in the UK, so petrol and diesel will be subject to the same taxes as in Great Britain. I presume, without knowing for sure, that the tax regime in the republic makes diesel cheaper than petrol.
If i am not mistaken after 2022, all diesels except the Euro6 will be banned. That said, this Skoda is a Euro6, and that says that it is a rather environmentally friendly vehicle.
And it’s 2022 soon lol
It's happening in April no more euro 5 😭
One thing to consider if You look at it from energy perspective is that diesel contains like 13 percent energy per liter than gasoline.
for those curious for the numbers:
hybrid: 20.25 kmpl
diesel: 20.87 kmpl
What if we test diesel hybrid with petrol hybrid?
Thats a nice ad from the oil companies
2021 in France now. The price for Diesel now almost matches the price for E10: would the test raise the same results? We now have E85 by the way.
But besides that, there are so many untold things in that video that I don't know where to start from. Hybrid really shines in cities, suburbs and rush hours where it goes almost full electric; in comparison all thermic cars overburn fuel for stopping in a few dozen meters, overheat the engine in long jams, and wear gears for no result. But in open roads and highways, Diesel are the best per gallon if you put aside NOx.
It would have been more interesting to compare Hybrid/E10 with E10 in different test tracks.
On top of that, the hybrid will eventually have to have the batteries replaced while the diesel will keep going...
Try going almost 'twice' the distance for the €20 than either car with LPG Autogas instead of dirty diesel or petrol. Over 20m worldwide. Ultra reliable. 80 sites in Ireland. Cars become dualfuel so no range anxiety!
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In the UK the Toyota hybrid won but it's not a bad result for an automatic diesel and a bigger car as well however more stop start driving would have favoured the Toyota hybrid even more.
Should have compared the auris diesel to hybrid
With the fuel in the fuel pump&line “maybe about a cup of fuel” the diesel will get more miles from cup of fuel. From my own experience the hybird car usually will keep the gas engine running when the E stat blinking to save the battery moving or not
Interesting test, would be good to see a few more examples. The one thing it does prove is that there is no clear cut argument on this
and therefore that hybrids are a waste of money.
Great! I looked all over the internet for this!
If it could have been done with the same car would be great and if you re do this in a motorway at 120km/h that would be very useful for me.
I agree, I will be doing a 140bhp diesel vs 140bhp hybrid in the next few months, 0-60 and MPG over 80 motorway miles.
Coolest thing to experience
Nobody is going to go from an empty tank to an empty tank. Fill up the cars, drive for the same distance in mixed settings, then fuel up to full again and compare who paid more…
You cannot rely on empty tank to measure how much fuel you used, this depends in reserve volume. Refiling to 100% and checking how much fuel you used would be way better.
Firstly cars were not empty at start, secondly didn't get same amount of fuel and lastly we don't know if hybrid battery was flat or not prior to the test. Bit worthless isn't it?
A charming Lady! Kind regards from Austria 👍
Not to mention the driving fun factor and space on board of a Octavia. Another level.
This test is illogical. Why:
1. Getting 20 € fuel. why measure with money? sometimes diesel is cheaper, sometimes petrol. liters must be calculated. 2. Why are you taking fuel into the empty tank? How empty was the tank? must be: fill the tank first. then a certain distance time (eg 400 km). Then fill it again and calculate how many liters you used. So simple.
I have a 2.0 HDi Peugeot 407 with 160k on the clocks. I had a rental Ford Mondeo Hybrid Vignale. Both cars weighed exactly 1650kg, except the mondeo was 10 years newer and with 140k less wear and tear. On the exact same journey I make every week, Leeds > Manchester, I average just shy of 60mpg in the Peugeot. In the Hybrid, I only got 42mpg, even though I used the car's computer to drive as efficient as possible (regen braking only, gentle acceleration, max speed of 57mph etc)
Ford hybrid is not as efficient as Toyota hybrid
I am surprised you got less with the Hybrid!! was it a 2.0 cc try the 1.8cc
Diesel is great if you drive 30k miles per year in highway like Truck driver. For most people who drives for work in cities and urban area, Diesel is more expensive in Fuel, maintenance, Road Tax, and repairs. Most Toyota hybrid only needs oil change for the first 15 years, with 15 years HV battery warranty. Diesel will have DPF problem, catalytic converter issues, Limp mode, etc. for most people who drive it in city. The annual tax alone cost €200 more in Diesel, DPF filter replacement cost as much as hybrid battery replacement and last no more than 5 years if you rarely drive in the highway. Diesel is death, that's the fact, and it will be rest in peace for cars and small van. It fits for big trucks and Trailers.
Rondhole!!! sorry most cars be they Hybrid or Petrol need a service at least once a year re oil change .
Nice test, great video!
Toyota Auris 4,94 l/100km
Skoda Octavia 4,79 l/100km
Both car is pretty good, but I chose Toyota. Maybe Toyota Yaris Hybrid - who is most selling hybrid car in Germany, other europe city too. Because more reliable than PSA or VAG, fuel consumption almost same, and diesel is more expensive maintain, often break, like: turbo, egr, injectors, DPF, flywheel... and same sh*t.
The winner is Auris!Auris 13.38L...Skoda 14.04L.
The price of diesel in Granada is now more expensive than petrol
Nice test!! Bit outdated with exchange rates but that equate to about £1/10 Miles
You can tell it was 4 years ago.... look at the prices.
I'd bet the skoda would easily do over 1000km + to a full tank . The hybrid about 800km
Both did under 5l/100km. If it was purely city hybrid would have probably won, purely highway diesel would have won. Honestly, I would love toyota to do a hybrid diesel of the new corolla, amazing in both highway and city
I would love to see their driving style as well. I feel this experiment was a bit rushed.
In this experiment, isn't there the concern if your run our of fuel on the hybrid it may cause damage to the fuel pump? They love to tell you not to run it empty at the risk of getting a $700 plus repair bill replacing the fuel pump.
its worse to run out of diesel, you cant just fill them up, the furl system has to be primed.
Why compare 1.6 liter diesel with 1.8 petrol hybrid?This is not correct. You should compare 1.8 diesel vs 1.8 petrol hybrid.
l'd love to know what the accumulated CO2 figures would be for each of these cars?
Less on the diesel, i think, because of filters and adblue.
CO2 is not of any interest. But if you must know, petrol results in more co2 per km. Thus more food for nature and life on the planet.
@@flexairzFood and nature? Carbon dioxide enhances the green house effect, which leads to global warming. What difference would it make when there’s more trees and plants lost to natural disasters and deforestation.
@@yllparrot7496 good thing we don't live in a greenhouse and instead we live in God's creation 🙏
The diesel car had almost a litre more in fuel compared to hybrid. Look at beginning of film
Was the diesel automatic otherwise it isn't fair
I wish we had more options for diesel vehicles in USA .
Diesel maintenance is high. Your savings on fuel will go on maintenance. SKODA have alot of common faults 🎉
How can this surely be accurate it is a fact that both have have different MPG
In terms of fuel consumption, Hybrids are best in city driving or short driving. Diesels are kings in long haul driving.
However, Hybrids are easy on maintenance like for instance, Prius; like no belts to break, no alternator, no starter, no-belt CVT.
??? The Prius has a petrol engine, so yes to belts, cvt belt, etc. The Prius is not an electric car !!
City car vs motorway car on the motorway! 🤔.
So based on the uk gallon 4.546 litres in a uk gallon
Skoda octavia mpg after calculations works out to be 59.294 mpg
And petrol Toyota Auris : 57.552 mpg respectively.
Best get a kei car instead
Which is better hybrid or petrol?
For me only diesel , maybe in the future (15 years) i change.
Last summer 2020 road trip to Portugal.
Rotterdam ( Nederland) to Lisbon (Portugal. +- 2250km .i go always 160km/h -180km/h .
2,5 tanks of diesel more or less 130liters .
My mpg +- 6 liters /100km
Were the hybrid's batteries full at the start? They should be empty to make a valid test.
You cannot run the Hybrid battery to zero. It would ruin the Hybrid battery. The computer on board keeps it above 20% to protect the Hybrid battery from damage.
Skoda octavia 2L diesel 110kw MANUAL would go about 320-400km so you can't compare these things so easily
I think car companies should really consider making diesel hybrid cars instead of petrol hybrid cars.
This test is totally false I've had both cars used them as a taxi hybrid would easily achieve 50km more with the 20 euros of fuel
Was the skoda an automatic gear otherwise it is not fair
Good judge a taxi driver :) and I would agree with you 100% Hybrid for city driving or town driving.
The diesel car is not worth the repair cost for saving 10% on fuel.... :) also in some contries diesel is more expensive than fuel, so diesel car definitely not worth it. Thank you for this review :)
1. 20€ of diesel had more litres than 95 gasoline
2. It's not clear if at the start both were drivven until empty.
Not to mention DPF problems with all the Emission regulations.
Manual diesel vs petrol automatic?
good one!
I own a 2015 VW Passat TDI and at 100km/h I can get 1400km to a 55 LT tank.
I think instead $20 ,they should do fuel.
Diesel is cheaper so theres more in the diesel car than there is petrol in the hybrid should have put the same amount of fuel in both cars
I drive from Finglas to Sandyford twice a day for 6 days a week and do a small bit of driving the weekend would it be worth me getting a hybrid?
Get a phev prius, for toll discounts.
I'd probably still get a diesel. Hybrids cost a fortune to fix in case of a seize and diesel engines are a lot more reliable. Get a manual for better fuel economy.
this test is wrong, diesel had more fuel
yep ..but Toyota have electricity too :)) so in the end is the total price vs distance !
This is very misleading.
You compare a turbocharged and diesel to bigger naturally aspirated engine?
Have you had the AC on (favors the torque TDI)?
You should bring maybe an A3 hybrid and compare it with a TDI A3 and run 2 separate tests, the 1st one totally city drive, and the 2nd only motorway with same fuel in liters as prices vary, then we can rely on your test, otherwise I know before you run the test that turbo uses less fuel than NA engine, it's no brainer. And I know that diesel will outnumber gas engine on motorway but you should look at higher to maintain and pricier diesel engine.
hybrid has a smaller tank while the skoda has a bigger tank hence more reserve pointless test
Diesel cars> electric cars> hybrid cars> gasoline cars
Compare Clio disel vs hybrid. Same cars
Same test but use 20 litres of fuel
And same test with 20 euro electric and fossil fuel.
Great video
Toyotas "self charging" hybrids are rubbish for fuel economy. My petrol toyota Aygo beats even the small Yaris hybrid on fuel economy at 72mpg which is free from the chains of a batteries SOC. I got 500 miles on 30L of petrol on my last tank... 75mpg or 3.73L/100km.
I think toyota need to develop a smaller more efficient engine for their hybrid range.
ruclips.net/video/ReSXF0EKhag/видео.html According to this video he managed 3,1L/100km or 75.9mpg in heavier Prius plug in hybrid, gooing 90km/h. And 4.5L/100km going 120km/h. (with main battery empty)
toyota Auris/corolla, 1.8 CO2 emmisions....90 grams per KLM. Skoda octavia 1.6 CO2 emmisions 128 grams per klm. Thats 10,298 more grams of CO2 for the Skoda, over the same KLMs.
Make the test in the city 😏😏😏
Think about to own a diesel the parts, services need to do regular than the petrol, total in a year I would say the petrol would be a cheaper in total than the diesel.
Think about the cost of replace hybrid batteries! The diesel is the cheapest.
You just gave the diesel car an unfair advantage by putting in more fuel..... just saying..
The Octavia caught a slight slipstream from the Auris
Slipstream only becomes effective over 100mph.
Diesel is the best fuel end of
How is diesel cheaper
Fun experiment with very little scientific value. Different vehicle models with different weight, aerodynamics, engine wear, traffic conditions and likely different tyres and tyre pressures just for starters. It’s a shame that people may use this to influence their decision on a future vehicle purchase. I would never buy a diesel due to it’s carcinogenic and pollutant properties.
Pretty awesome
Shoukd have put in a leaf and it would have done 445kms