I remember the time government said petrol is baaaaaad and diesel is the way, many were pushed to give up their petrol cars and buy diesel. A few years on and government is saying diesel is baaaaaaaad and perhaps electric is the way. I’m waiting for when government will say electric is baaaaaaad!
Wait until govs "realize" that electricity is made from nuclear power plants which we have no idea how to dispose of its waste. And wait until they "realize" that batteries need precious materials that are pretty much stolen from Africa
Its really not right to say an electric car runs on coal, all countries in the world could easly run on waterpower, solarpower and windpower. But majority of countries do not want to, because of how much they earn on selling oil... the oil business is totally ruining for us and holds us back. But yea, 45% of norways electricty is pure waterpower, other countries only uses renewable energy sources aswell. There is no reason to not go over to renewable energy sources, dont blame the electric cars for the way ur country chooses to produce electricity. Tesla has taken a huge step in the right direction, by 2020 all tesla superchargers worldwide will be only powered by solar power, something they have already achieved in Belgium. If we stopped using oil and coal to produce electricty and started making all electric cars that would way up for what it costs for the envioerment to produce electric cars, even tho producing electric cars isnt that much worse than producing fuel cars now... We dont live in 2005 anymore, most electric cars battery r 95% renewable also (Tesla especially). In the long run (and in the short run really) electric cars is the best, fuel cars dont only release alot of toxic gasses when produced, they also produce those gasses theyre whole life. Electric cars is for sure the future, but these countries that wants to keep oil and stuff totally ruins it. Theyre not interested in a good future, theyre just intersted in making their billionaire pockets even deeper.
Also, you have to realise 99% of petrol heads will not buy electric cars (or even hybrids) and neither will a lot of other people as well. its not just about the running costs as people drive cars for the feeling that it gives them not just the running costs
i really like that you mentioned the diesel smell on your hand - it takes someone who really owned a diesel to appreciate how bad it is. however when overtaking on motor way, most people would downshift a gear, wouldn't they?
That is true, but he's trying to make the gearbox not a factor in the test, after all he's only comparing the engine, not gear ratios and manual vs automatic.
@@Hopgop1 No, he is not comparing the engine, it's a stupid comparison. Petrol has power/torque in the higher revs, diesel in low revs, and you compare both cars performance in low revs. It's like comparing a cheetah and a bull about who is faster. Cheetah does 60 mph, bull does 30mph, but wait, they both start with 200 pounds of weight in their back. HMMM, Let's see who is faster ! ( exactly the same thing )
We currently own a petrol Skoda Yeti. We are changing it for a Skoda Kodiaq. The Kodiaq will be a diesel. Why? Towing a caravan. The petrol Yeti will tow the van but a diesel will do it easier.
late to the party here, but with a manual diesel you can also just take your foot off the clutch (slowly so the engine doesn't stall) and it will cruise slowly at 5-8 km/h, like the automatic cars when you take your foot off the brake
Electric power is definitely the future, its just not quite the present. when battery tech gets cheap, reliable and light weight enough. the advantages of being able to fuel up anywhere with power, have no need for gears have incredibly light, simple to maintain drive trains and be able to be powered off renewables will show through. but until them, i'm gonna stick to my fast fun fossil fuel burners
I just bought an Renault Zoe Q90 Z.E 40, which is affordable and with a range of 300+ km with one battery load. 80% loading in 1 hours is great. This brand new for 25.000 EUR. What else do you like? A brand new electric car for free? Tesla is a luxury car, that's way to expensive. You can compare a Tesla with an luxury S class Mercedes car. No regular people would like to buy that
HOW COULD YOU NOT TALK ABOUT DPF PROBLEMS!!!!!! Many car dealers are now telling people to get the petrol version if you don't do long(ish) motorway runs on a regular basis due to the endless problems with the DPFs (diesel cars)
Bit of a red herring I think, manufacturers are starting to add particulate filters to petrol cars. Not sure if its law they have to be there like on a diesel, but more than likely only a matter of time until they are mandatory on petrols also.
It will be interesting to see in time if petrol engines start suffering from filter issues when they become more mainstream. Buy a petrol for low milage and still get the same issues as you would with a diesel DPF? I don't know enough about mechanics to make an educated guess; do you think that they will start having similar issues to diesel DPFs if only used for short trips/low mileage/low speed?
Second Chance problems with dfp are usually with older cars when the filter was fitted too far back in the exhaust system to burn the particulates efficiently due to it not generating enough heat. Most newer cars have the filter closer to the exhaust manifold where it's much hotter and therefore more efficient when it does the regeneration burn. The only time I know my 320D has done a regen is when I get out of the car and it smells like I've been driving with the handbrake on.
NiniJay Bmw cars don't have endless dfp issues. No modern diesels do. It's older cars with the filter further back in the system that get clogged and don't burn off the particulates properly. I've done 13000 miles in my 320D which itself has done 113k miles and there are no dfp issues listed in its full Bmw service history.
actually Diesel over long time will be more expensive since the repair bill for the filters and the build up in the EGR Valve will clock up at 40.000 miles upwards.
I’m a technician at a ford dealership. And I would push people for petrols. There’s a system to “lower” emissions which in the diesel particulate filter you have lots of particulates. Over time it all builds up and as a way to deal with it there’s an injector to inject diesel into the exhaust and catch fire to burn it. Sometimes that doesn’t work and can’t empty it by it self by law you can’t take it off and hit it all out it’s an MOT fail. You’d have to buy a new one. Very similar with EGR systems. And EGR on a focus is £500 and a DPF is £1,300 (not a genuine one). And a petrol well they don’t have particulate filters (except for some which ain’t as complex or need monitoring) and don’t have EGR systems. Petrols are a lot easier to maintain if you take a diesel put new oil and filter and drive it for an hour the oil will be black. If you do the same with a petrol it will still be a golden colour (my car has clean oil after a whole year). Also a Renault Kadjar Diesel engine is the same engine as a Suzuki Vitara and any Dacia Diesel. It’s a 1.5 Diesel out of a clio (and it’s not an extremely new engine either)
the press bashing is a joke. The little particles emitted by all vehicles are minimal. The most particles come from the Industry and home owners. In Austria only 14% are emitted by cars including trucks.
I have a compact SUV and a roundtrip to and from work is about 80km for me, most of it in the motorway. So yeah I went for the diesel option. Got the car new in April 2018 and it uses adblue, so I am not worried about particles or other gases.
I think a very important point on running costs was missed, which involves common failures on modern diesels. Some dealers wont even cover them under warranty. DPFs and dual mass flywheels go very quickly, especially if you use your car for short journeys. Diesel owners, I would dare saying most of them, will go to a performance garage to remove the DPF, leaving the environmental concerns aside. This is not really a problem for them because MOT only measures Co2. Petrol any day!
Just to mention, modern petrol cars also has increased levels of small particulates (have no idea why just read it recently) and probably will also need filters just like thee diesels
Benzinio That' s because they use direct injection for spark igniton engines too now. Even worse is that particulates emitted from petrol engines are much smaller snd therefore much more dangerous for humans and filters are unable to help with this because the particulates are simply to small. Cheers
To expand even further on what Matej has said: direct injection causes particulates because the fuel/air mixture is not pre-mixed and therefore not 'homogeneous' (completely mixed) This leave spots of unburnt fuel which is superheated and becomes carbon, nitrate and even metallic deposits, which makes up particulate matter. Petrol particulates are smaller because of the increased volatility over diesel fuel. If only I remembered this during my exam last week..
Benzinio that's correct, some modern engines have direct and indirect injection, partly to try and counter this. (other reasons, such as part load efficiency) But as cars are taxed on co2 manufacturers aren't too concerned about particulates in petrols... For now.
All depends on mileage. High milers with long commutes need diesel and it's better for the environment as it uses less fuel. Low milers only doing 5-10 mile trips are better with a petrol. This isn't complicated.
Diesels are louder, however with these new small engines a diesel turns on the highway at 2300rpm and a gas more like 3000+ wich does make more noise with some bigger cars.
I've learnt something... A suv needs a 2.0 engine as a minimum, not a 1.2 petrol that screams to move that car or a 1.5 diesel that has it's balls stretched to make enough power, suv are okish in aerodinamics but are big and mostly heavy and need a good reliable power for them to have a good fuel economy and speed But that's my opinion 🤷♂️
Dont forget the extra outlay at the beginning is carried over when you sell it so after 3 years and 38k miles the diesel may well still go for £2k more than the petrol.
Funny I live in Canada, I just but the 3.6L VR6 Touareg over the V6 TDI. The TDI is gutless compared to the petrol powered motor. Here in Toronto alot of gas stations don't sell diesel, the ones that do there is only one pump. I used to live in the UK and drive diesels but never again there only around in England because petrol is so expensive.
after many diesel cars, my next one will be petrol. Government has now given local authorities the option to charge drivers of diesel cars a fee for entering areas of cities. Now, I know they may not implement this, but it's worth thinking about.
All dpfs clean themselves not at speed but normally you have to drive doing more then 2500rpm for around 20 - 30 min. but they have a life span of around 80-120k
And the first thing he said about the DPF filter is they are basically wank. My 207 additive pouch burst and also now has no additives to put in the diesel and also comes up with a clogging risk so yay think I'll get a petrol next
Diesel burns dirtier leaving more residue behind compared to petrol. This should be making you change the oil more often than a petrol car since it probably is going to get more contamination. Idk if the manufacturers say this though. I have a diesel car and I can't say that I really like that engine. It rattles when stopped, idles are loud etc. And damn it doesn't even rev to near redline it just doesn't rev. I want a petrol engine and I want to feel the revs.
Well, I am going to take this as an advert to sell more diesels through Carwow. If you want to complete the comparison, you should mention the reliability of the filters in diesel powertrains, turbos, injectors, etc. I don't see why you didn't include "electrified" powertrains (hybrid, plug-in hybrid, fully electric) in the comparison. Especially the hybrid is nowadays a no-compromise alternative, which gets good mileage in the city without the reliability issues and roughness of diesels...
Petrol all the way. Diesel = Noisy, heavy, smelly, bad for our health and more expensive. The only good thing about them are their low rev torque, but thats about it.
Adam Chase how can diesel be more fun. Just drove my dads 2.7 tdi for a couple of days, and I couldnt wait till I was back in my 1.6 petrol lol. Even though it doesnt go as fast as 2.7 , its sound is better , no turbolag, smoother, 6,300 rpm redline etc
you kinda completely ignored the extra torque a diesel gives, which at least in a bit older cars means, much easier hill starts, better in stop-start traffic and better towing capacity
If I have a choice between a gutless N/A Japanese or Korean petrol engine and diesel equivalent, I'll take the diesel. However if I have a choice between a Euro low-inertia turbocharged petrol and diesel, I'll take the Euro turbo petrol. I'll only take diesel if there is no torquey turbocharged petrol engine available.
My last 2 cars were diesel & both suffered with blocked dpf's, not cheap at 800 quid each time for parts alone, what a ridiculous design flaw. So with little motorway driving i'll be going for petrols from now on.
@@catalintimofti1117 I've always had a diesel, i tend to drive with a heavy foot and have fun riding the turbo through the gears. But i only do say 5-8 miles a day these past ten years, so i rarely got to open it up for a good thrashing. Have a petrol 1.5 turbo ateca now which will suit city living much better.
One of the major factors (if not the most important one) for choosing between diesel and petrol car, is its daily use. So if you perform frequent short runs from cold, petrol is the only option you should consider. This is due to the fact that DPF, the Diesel Particulate Filter, which is mandatory for diesel cars Euro 5 and above, needs to reach a certain temperature in order to operate efficiently and reduce the soot particles. Yes it does have a regeneration mechanism which helps it to autoclean (not all mechanisms have the same efficiency, the most reliable and efficient one is on Mercedes cars), but still frequent short runs from cold will eventually block the DPF in any car and it is not so cheap to replace. If you do short runs but you also perform at least once per week a good run in the motorway, driving at 2.5-3K rpm for half an hour or more, the DPF can regenerate sufficiently making diesel safe option in that case. Other than that, all other parameters mentioned in the video are fully valid.
OTOH, if you drive your diesel gently in cold and don't rev above, IDK, 1800 rpm, there's really no soot to reduce: the air/fuel ratio inside the cylinders is so huge, the fuel burns almost completely. You need to pretty much floor the modern diesel to start producing significant quantities of soot, any you won't floor it when cold in any case.
I've driven diesels as well as petrol cars. In terms of sound you have to know (especially with smaller engines) that the Diesel will be quiter when doing high speeds on the Autobahn(170-180kmh/100-110mph) since it doesn't revs that high. If you want to "race the roads" for Fun you should definetly get a petrol. If not you will surely appreciate that the Diesel has Most of its Power available in the lower rev-range because it makes usual accelerations like you do when driving onto the highway or into small spaces at the roundabout, more comfortable. In some Countries (Germany) Tax in Diesel Cars is way higher than on petrols. But next to better mileage Diesel is also cheaper to buy here. If you Take care of your Car a Diesel engine will usually live longer. In my Family it is Common to Drive Cars until they die. Our diesels Always reached 250k kilometers (my current Diesel has 380k kilometers on the clock). Our petrol cars all died between 160k and 240k kilometers (even tho a friend of mine is driving a 430k kilometer BMW E39 525i) Summary: Think about his thoughts. Sometimes the opposite of what you think is gonna happen unser certain circumstances
@@Momanic as another comment said; petrol for fun, diesel for work. If you're getting your first car I would recommend a diesel, especially if it's a manual since they're harder to stall
Belgium is expensive? Haha that amount is per Year, in the netherlands you’re paying for the same car 315€ for 3 months, thats around 105€ A MONTH.!!!!!!!
@@dieselgeezer18 that used to be the case when diesels had manual injectors and no emmision equipment. The maintenance costs of a modern diesel don't justify buying one. I had a deisel pickup and I drive a diesel semi truck..(broken down right now') no thanks
@@telcobilly well, i have a toyota hilux diesel from 1994 and a Mitsubishi L300/Delica diesel van. They are pretty fuel efficient and extremely reliable. The toyota hilux has 600.000 miles and the mitsubishi Van has 300.000 miles. Only oil changes and one broken thermostat in the van. Nothing else on the engines has been touched. Super reliable and can take hours of abuse. I have relatives who own old diesel cars and trucks that have crazy milage but they still work perfectly
Nicer than what? electricity doesn't have any smell. If you like that smell in your electric car, just pour one gallon gasoline beside your seats and you have that smell too... If you like the noise.. Just build some big speakers inside with a sound generator and you have that noise too. If you like the vibration, just build in and electric vibrator and you don't have that smooth driving anymore.
@@nikolanikola8543 stop comparing tractors to cars, power output from tractors gets converted into a lot of torque, anyways wondering why they have huge engines? 60 hp tractor could pull 600hp modern car no matter the surface. By the way how would a car transmission and a cars petrol engine be able do pull a 1 row plow through the dirt. Also taking the fact a 90hp modern tractor would run to 100 000 dollars because of the advanced technology complex engines and transmission to put out a ton of torque to the wheels.
15 large cargo ships emits more pollution than all the cars in the world, and there's over a 100.000 of them on the seas. If you really want to make a difference to the environment, start buying locally produced items and less of the garbage out of Asia. But lets face it. we're all hypocrites when it comes to money vs anything else.
that's actually not true; the study looked at particular substances, not overall pollution; secondly, even with that pollution from the ships, growing locally often uses more energy; growing tomatoes in Britain needs heated house glasses for instance; and that heat is done with polluting means; and it is overall NOT better to buy locally; use the common sense though for witch products though
There's one thing you forgot, diesels are more efficient when driving long distances and petrols are more efficient around town so it depends on where you usually drive to (probably how far away your job is from where you live.)
@@livaivandeweyer6464 You mean the Mercedes-Benz models that use Renault diesels? Germany don't make good diesels anymore. France and Korea make the best.
You could've downshifted a diesel to 3rd. I don't think you've undertood the point in that test. The test is showing ease of driving and low down torque.
@@daveyboiyeah test should be done at same gear length, if automatic has longer final gear it will be slower even if engine is the same. MAYBE this particular petrol was slower, but test wasn't fair...
Usually Diesels sit at 2000rpm at 70mph in top gear. Diesels have peak torque at typically 1800rpm, which in terms would be 60mph. So accelerating in top gear in a Diesel is fairly easy to 70mph. Most Petrols that have manual 5-speed boxes have 4th gear direct drive and 5th overdrive, which typically lets the car do 2800-3200rpm at 70mph, where peak torque is generally between 3500-4800rpm. Some petrol automatics for fuel economy have more overdrive gears and thus can keep low RPMs but are too far from the torque range figure, and thus 7th top gear would be too high for it to accelerate properly from whatever it was at, likely 2000rpm at 60.
@@ConstantinSPurcea It's really not that simple depends hugely on gear ratios and quite often the petrol has better in gear acceleration than the Diesel equivalent all else being equal. This was a very bad comparison because one car was manual and the other automatic. Automatic transmissions usually have higher final gears to minimize fuel consumption, and acceleration in these gears is not a concern because you're supposed to let it do its job and downshift if you put your foot down (if the fact that this auto has 7 gears vs 6 in the manual wasn't a giveaway, and if you notice it was doing about 2000rpm at 60mph which is insanely low for some 140hp petrol engine). Compare for instance in gear acceleration figures for a MK7 Golf GTI vs GTD: www.zeperfs.com/en/duel4563-4626.htm
No - you are wrong. He didnt downshift in the Diesel, and he had to lock the petol auto to create a fair test. Both tests must have the same parameters to be accurate.
Once a week, take the car out to the motorway and do 2.5k RPM in fifth or fourth gear, and within 10-15 mins the DPF will be fine. The lack of maintenance and people choosing DPF equipped cars for city driving are what cause these issues; there’s nothing wrong with the system itself.
@@mikep6726 The point is that it was not mentioned! Why should you need to take a car out once a week for a long run to make it work properly! The use of the car is a massive factor in petrol/diesel choice.
On a mountain road with 4 passengers and luggage the diesel car will have easily 1/2 fuel consumption to the petrol car.Always it's the Torque that generates power.
Here in Greece you pay 80€ taxes per year on a 1.4 l diesel and around 260€ on a 1.4 tsi. Besides this, diesel costs 1.1€\per litre and petrol sells for 1.45€\per litre.
Στην Ελλάδα όλα ερχοντε με 10 - 15 χρόνια καθυστέρηση.. Τώρα που η Ευρώπη αρχίζει κ "διώχνει" τα diesel τα έφεραν στην Ελλάδα. Αν ο κόσμος αγοράζει diesel το καύσιμο θα αυξηθεί θα φτάσει την τιμή της βενζίνης. Για μέσα στην πόλη δεν αξίζει diesel όπως δεν αξίζει diesel κάτω από 2.0. Τα service ποιο ακριβά κ αν δεν κάνεις πάνω από 150-200 χλ την μερα δεν αξίζει.
You should have done this test with a sporty mid size saloon or something, not a shitty french fake suv for people who couldn't care less about driving!
....and the most fun and amazing part now about Diesels, because they are that much cheaper to run, you can go with a 400 hp Diesel sports car and still run cheaper than most Petrols, you step up in power/engine size then the fuel consumption doesnt change that much on Diesels if you compared to a Petrol.... having the time of your life, looking better and driving far more fun AND STILL CONSUME LESS THAN A 1.1 Litre 110hp PETROL!!!! Can you imagine driving a petrol with 300-400 hp? Haha, you will have to camp at the fuel station.
What you fail to mention are the long term maintenance hazards of diesel; choked up DPF, failed EGR, failed turbo bearings, failed dual mass flywheel and their unsuitability for lots of short journeys.
Diesel injectors going bad, highpressure pumps going faulty, the most importent thing when choosing between these two types of engine. Running costs on a diesel is so much higher, and it only has to go wrong one time, then all your fuel savings are gone x10.
God LovesAtheist, I agree 100%, imo the last best diesel engine for car's was VW's 1.9 TDI PD. After the CR system came, with particle filters ect, it went down hill for alle manufacturers. The problem is actually not diesel engines its the government regulations requirements. You can ask for all the requirements you want, but at some point, the manufacturer have to call it quits, because the government kinda is in it's own little utopia :-)
Impetuz Viscus I had a vw 1.9 tdi engine and it was a complete disaster! multiple injector failures, egr valves and Turbo failure! if that was suppose to be a good diesel then we should just give up on progress now!
I have a diesel car and apart from the cheaper fuel bills, it's horrible. It's loud and rattling, a petrol engine is far smoother and feels sophisticated.
I would just like to say that since I wrote this post, I now have a different diesel car and its much better than the diesel I had 4 years ago. So I take it back, I like some diesels.
I have a 10litre triple turbo, supercharged German crap wagon sports coupes with a diesel engine as back up for when it breaks down, it's great, uses that much fuel I have to stop at every garage I come across. It does 0 to 100kms in 0.5 seconds and pollutes as good as any VW on the planet. It's for Sale!
Normally I'd buy petrol, but currently I run a diesel car and that torque and hiss of a turbo is so satisfying! Don't worry when buying a car - if you're going only short trips - never consider diesel. If you do longer trips at least once every 2/3 weeks - just get what car you like most or is cheaper.
In Turkey according to 2017 figures, there is only 26.1% of cars are petrol. You can buy 45 breads instead of 1 galoon of gasoline. A 20 years old Astra costs 50% of a brand new Astra. So you don't have to think about the amortisman too. Everyone knows a mechanic guy who can fix his car for free and everyone has "if the god wants me dead airbag can do nothing" mind. Because of this second hand market, even the worst crashed cars worth restoring. So the market is full of poorly repaired and crashed before cars. We blow our minds when we check the second hand car market of yours. If your 300£ Ford Escort was here it would deserved "The cleanest Ford Escort of Turkey" title and with the money you sold it, you would eat Turkish kebap for 1866 times.
I drive around 12.000 miles yearly. I was i doubt when, chosing my civic 2015.... a 1,8 with 142/174 nm or a 1,6Tdi with 125/300nm... thats a massive diffrence in torque... but im a petrol head and the 0-60 is 2 seconds faster in the petrol. + Honda gears is lovely to change so i'm happy i went for petrol, its so much more fun to drive a petrol and having 50mins to work i want my minutes to be fun, and capable to be quick.
Buy a petrol car. Because when a diesel car goes wrong no one can fix it .. had bmw mini countryman diesel auto with 45 k miles only , which kept going into limp mode. Wasted £2000 at different garages.. for last garage to say we think its the turbo another £2000 please ! Sold car to WBAC , They sold at car auction and next buyer couldn't get the car fixed and it has been off the road for a year .. car sold in car auction for £7000 .. When diesel cars go wrong. They go wrong big time .. turbo , egr. Dpf ..sensor this sensor that
I don't think concerns about diesel started with the VW scandal. The issues mentioned below are the same as when I first experienced a diesel Cavalier in 1986. Diesel has never been and never will be suited to being burned near populated areas. Diesel engines are ill-suited to applications where engine speed varies such as cars. They are far better-suited to constant-speed operation which makes treating their exhaust gases much easier. The point about carbon dioxide is a moot one. It is illusory to take it into account in this analysis. The oil will be refined, the quantities of petrol and diesel obtained from a given volume of crude don't change and the resulting fuels will be burned anyway. It seems logical therefore to burn diesel away from people. The WHO has classed diesel fumes as a known carcinogen and it is thought diesel fumes cause 7,000 premature deaths a year in the UK. Add to that the smell or both the fuel and the exhaust fumes, the noise, the vibrations and the cost to purchase and there's really no contest at all. It's a no brainer both from an engineer's point of view and that of a responsible citizen. The scandal is the taxation system that has pushed buyers towards diesel for personal transport. Personally I have never owned a diesel car and never will. I would have a diesel container ship, though...
All the companies that fucked their customers over the emmissions scandal should never be trusted again. I'm not even considering them after that. If they tried to trick you once, they'll try again.
One thing you forgot to mention here was how journey type and length matter. Many people have been buying diesels to drive on short journeys and in stop-start urban conditions, only to experience DPF problems very quickly! Diesels only run clean when they are fully warmed up and running at a constant load, i.e at a cruise. They are not suited to urban driving at all, it's only very recently that dealers have even started talking about these things with customers due to the number of warranty claims they are having with clogged DPFs and damaged turbos etc.
Do this video again but using performance cars made. so a Golf GTI and a GTD would be a good comparison or something like a 330i vs 330d also make sure their both same gearbox because that does play a part
Petrol cars tend to be lighter / less nose heavy. Meaning that the petrol car will be more agile / better to drive. That's an important point for those of us that like a good drive.
Ye but them egr valves an the particular filters cost a bomb when it comes to services on some makes, but I like this 1.5dci Renault engine I'm hearing good things bout this one 🤔
The majority of us buy used cars so new car prices are irrelevant. Buying a diesel was a no brainier for me. I can get up to 60mpg on the motorway in my 320D touring which gives me a range of about 750 miles. It might sound like a delivery van at low speed but it's torquey and once up to cruising speed it's effortless and quiet. I see no point in buying a petrol engines car for my purposes.
I could also mention, if someone is afraid of the DPF, if you floor it sometimes, and not driving like my grandma, it will burn out properly, and won't cause too much headache.
Agreed, I've got a 325d (3.0 straight six turbo) - so bad mpg in diesel standards but still 42mpg with a lot of country A road + motorway driving. Never driven economically as I make the most of the 320ftlb of torque on my right foot. The only way a petrol would maybe suit better is if I was doing slot of driving in towns, with start stop traffic and diesels don't really like that. Don't get me wrong it shifts when you want but the mpg drops a lot if you don't let it open up at higher speeds. I was getting 37mpg when I fuelled up in town and did about 20 local towns miles, so a petrol would have probably been better, especially as that's potentially blocking the dpf on the diesel like most people I love the power delivery of petrol engines+the sound etc. But compared to my previous 1.6 petrol Toyota before I get just under double the bhp, 3 x more torque, and under the same driving style, about 15 mpg more, oh and the tax is £20 less. There's was literally no upside to the petrol, and the bigger petrol engines are higher in tax and less fuel efficient.
Why not LPG? Cheap to operate, cheap to tank and really good for enviroment. I own 2014 Carrera S with LPG and is a blast to drive. I had 2015 M550d before and that an absolute failure. That engine had so many problems, that BMW was forced by court to buy this car from me. Also, I was banned to drive to certain parts of my town, because I had diesel.
Still not all countries have equal prices for diesel and petrol. In Croatia diesel is lot cheaper. But some petrol owners installed gas tanks because gas is even more cheaper.
@@theoriginalLP despite being loud when you are outside.. the diesel car on the inside sometimes is well noise isolated so you could barely hear anything
I’m getting a 1.2 GTI Polo and the petrol is slower 0-60 and less engine power than diesel? The one I want is petrol but that’s kind of putting me off, I always thought petrol was nippier
My parents always used to say diesels are good for long distances and petrol is better suited for short distances. Is that actually true or does it barely matter?
It's not true. Let's say you are stuck in traffic in the city where usually the cars use more fuel. With a diesel you'd save more money because A more torque so less effort for the car to move and less fuel used, B diesel cars have way better economy than any petrol and C diesel is cheaper. I'm more of a petrol guy but if it's economy Diesel wins every time
You're such a star!! Really enjoyed watching this video. Great info on the differences between the two fuel options. Keep up the good work! A fan from USA.
For me its very simple: If you have a small car or a sporty one wich is used on short Trips, buy a Petrol. If you have a lage family car or station wagon or any car wich runs only on long trips, buy a Diesel. Ive got a 2013 Renault Laguna 150 dCi. Perfect car. Nice and powerful engine. But if i would buy a car like a Clio or Megane in RS or GT version it has to be a petrol.
OrcaNinja petrol, less problems, less tax, more speed (generally)... Petrol are better in towns and urban, diesels are more for long journeys like commuting everyday far
FlyLikeAlbatross I’m getting a smaller car (1.2 Polo GTI) so sounds like petrol would be ideal but it’s slower isn’t it? 0-60 is slower and engine power is less? (I don’t know anything about cars)
Diesel VS petrol :NO2 and particulates. The problem is that people are unable to read engineering specs, there are petrol engines that emit more NO2 / particulates than diesels, though generally petrol is cleaner. There is a big BUT here. All emission tests are done with the car at operating temperature and this means the petrol catalytic converter at optimum temperature above 200 degC. This is a significantly long time depending on the driving, and in cold conditions - never. Without the cat in operation a petrol engine is usually more polluting with regard to NO2 than diesel. The other big problem is that most journeys are short (the school run for example) and emission control system is never active in this case. If only graphs of emission VS time in different weather conditions would be produced for different/equivalent cars, that would be helpful for the public what the problem is.
Yeah, diesels with dpf and adblue are cleaner than petrols, BUT the latest petrol engines have particulate filters fitted which brings them back to the top.
It is exellent that you focus on the diffenrences between diesel and petrol but it is not ok that you forget the most important thing: people using their car for short runs in their local area should NOT buy a diesel car! This is becauce the particulate filter gets full, the EGR valve must be replaced at certain intervals (expensive) and the top of the valves in the engine gets stuffed; so called "coxing". One alo needs extra heater in cold conditions which is an extra cost.
Wait - 35mpg from a 1.2 petrol?? That's terrible. A Golf R with a 2.0 Turbo and 300hp gets average of 30mpg. And weight doesn't matter either as a quick Google search of each car says they both have the same kerb weight! I guess the 1.2 is working harder but 35mpg...
Milind Dixit a car that high will not do better. The only gasoline vehicle that will do better, will be much lower and have a better coefficient of drag. I have never seen a gasoline car average more than 35 mpg in the real word. On a long road trip while hypermiling, sure, but not overall.
I actually own a Golf R 2017 300HP model. I get 35 MPG no problem on the motorway (not driving economically) and between 20 and 25 MPG around town. 17 MPG if I'm driving quickly. So it depends what kind of driving they were doing. Another huge factor that has already been mentioned is that the Renault is bigger and heavier!
Yes, I have a 4.3 v8 and on a long trip I can get 32 imperial mpg. I average about 28. That 1.2 is apparently too small and overworked above its efficient load range
I remember the time government said petrol is baaaaaad and diesel is the way, many were pushed to give up their petrol cars and buy diesel. A few years on and government is saying diesel is baaaaaaaad and perhaps electric is the way. I’m waiting for when government will say electric is baaaaaaad!
Smooth Herb did they actually say that. I don’t remember
Wait until govs "realize" that electricity is made from nuclear power plants which we have no idea how to dispose of its waste. And wait until they "realize" that batteries need precious materials that are pretty much stolen from Africa
it's all about money people!!!
Most of UK electricity is made by burning fossil fuels, mainly gas.
@@deletedaccount966 once (and if) battery recycling becomes a serious thing it will be a lot better.
my car is coal powered.
I don't have a car
That would be an electric car then
because the Kim Jong Un wanted it just like that..( yes life is hard) :(
Its really not right to say an electric car runs on coal, all countries in the world could easly run on waterpower, solarpower and windpower. But majority of countries do not want to, because of how much they earn on selling oil... the oil business is totally ruining for us and holds us back. But yea, 45% of norways electricty is pure waterpower, other countries only uses renewable energy sources aswell. There is no reason to not go over to renewable energy sources, dont blame the electric cars for the way ur country chooses to produce electricity. Tesla has taken a huge step in the right direction, by 2020 all tesla superchargers worldwide will be only powered by solar power, something they have already achieved in Belgium.
If we stopped using oil and coal to produce electricty and started making all electric cars that would way up for what it costs for the envioerment to produce electric cars, even tho producing electric cars isnt that much worse than producing fuel cars now... We dont live in 2005 anymore, most electric cars battery r 95% renewable also (Tesla especially). In the long run (and in the short run really) electric cars is the best, fuel cars dont only release alot of toxic gasses when produced, they also produce those gasses theyre whole life.
Electric cars is for sure the future, but these countries that wants to keep oil and stuff totally ruins it. Theyre not interested in a good future, theyre just intersted in making their billionaire pockets even deeper.
Also, you have to realise 99% of petrol heads will not buy electric cars (or even hybrids) and neither will a lot of other people as well. its not just about the running costs as people drive cars for the feeling that it gives them not just the running costs
carwow and their waterbottles
shakke52 Iniiiiit. Any chance they get to plug their big water bottles.
because the Kim Jong Un wanted it just like that..( yes life is hard) :(
hahahahaha
Wo'o'bo'os
yeah but who doesnt downshift before an overtake
M8than people with diesels, because we don’t need to
@@TristanSilverwood Yeah but it would be a quicker overtake if you dropped a gear.
Zeros DaBast I don’t think it would be as dramatic as stalling or harming the engine, but you don’t really need to change down a gear on the highway
@Zeros DaBast If your car stalls at 60 mph because you downshifted your car has serious issues.
People with diesel's 🖤
i really like that you mentioned the diesel smell on your hand - it takes someone who really owned a diesel to appreciate how bad it is. however when overtaking on motor way, most people would downshift a gear, wouldn't they?
That is true, but he's trying to make the gearbox not a factor in the test, after all he's only comparing the engine, not gear ratios and manual vs automatic.
I own a diesel and its not as fun as a petrol, but its still really enjoyable especially when you get into tuning it
I can confirm that I down shift before overtaking in my 2L diesel, the aim is to get the revs at like 2k so you can maximum torque
@@Hopgop1 if you downshit a gear the petrol would be faster though.
@@Hopgop1 No, he is not comparing the engine, it's a stupid comparison. Petrol has power/torque in the higher revs, diesel in low revs, and you compare both cars performance in low revs. It's like comparing a cheetah and a bull about who is faster. Cheetah does 60 mph, bull does 30mph, but wait, they both start with 200 pounds of weight in their back. HMMM, Let's see who is faster ! ( exactly the same thing )
I use horse shit to power my car ever since Brexit was delayed.
Do you still use horseshit?
How do you feel about Brexit now I have pulled through with it?
@@lexaron he was only using horseshit out of tantrum
Well, this didn't age very well...
We currently own a petrol Skoda Yeti. We are changing it for a Skoda Kodiaq. The Kodiaq will be a diesel. Why? Towing a caravan. The petrol Yeti will tow the van but a diesel will do it easier.
Torque will help massively especially uphill
For beginner drivers, Diesels are harder to stall as they need less revs to start moving whereas you need a lot of revs to drive a petrol
late to the party here, but with a manual diesel you can also just take your foot off the clutch (slowly so the engine doesn't stall) and it will cruise slowly at 5-8 km/h, like the automatic cars when you take your foot off the brake
I just wish there was an affordable and desirable electric car out there
misterOsc model 3 ;--------)
misterOsc
Nissan Leaf
there isn't, just as much environmentalists like to shout that electric is the future the more it isn't, alternative fuels are the future not electric
Electric power is definitely the future, its just not quite the present. when battery tech gets cheap, reliable and light weight enough. the advantages of being able to fuel up anywhere with power, have no need for gears have incredibly light, simple to maintain drive trains and be able to be powered off renewables will show through. but until them, i'm gonna stick to my fast fun fossil fuel burners
I just bought an Renault Zoe Q90 Z.E 40, which is affordable and with a range of 300+ km with one battery load. 80% loading in 1 hours is great. This brand new for 25.000 EUR. What else do you like? A brand new electric car for free?
Tesla is a luxury car, that's way to expensive. You can compare a Tesla with an luxury S class Mercedes car. No regular people would like to buy that
HOW COULD YOU NOT TALK ABOUT DPF PROBLEMS!!!!!!
Many car dealers are now telling people to get the petrol version if you don't do long(ish) motorway runs on a regular basis due to the endless problems with the DPFs (diesel cars)
Bit of a red herring I think, manufacturers are starting to add particulate filters to petrol cars.
Not sure if its law they have to be there like on a diesel, but more than likely only a matter of time until they are mandatory on petrols also.
It will be interesting to see in time if petrol engines start suffering from filter issues when they become more mainstream. Buy a petrol for low milage and still get the same issues as you would with a diesel DPF?
I don't know enough about mechanics to make an educated guess; do you think that they will start having similar issues to diesel DPFs if only used for short trips/low mileage/low speed?
Second Chance problems with dfp are usually with older cars when the filter was fitted too far back in the exhaust system to burn the particulates efficiently due to it not generating enough heat. Most newer cars have the filter closer to the exhaust manifold where it's much hotter and therefore more efficient when it does the regeneration burn. The only time I know my 320D has done a regen is when I get out of the car and it smells like I've been driving with the handbrake on.
NiniJay Bmw cars don't have endless dfp issues. No modern diesels do. It's older cars with the filter further back in the system that get clogged and don't burn off the particulates properly. I've done 13000 miles in my 320D which itself has done 113k miles and there are no dfp issues listed in its full Bmw service history.
The DPF in my 116d smells like caramel after a regen. Quite pleasant actually
actually Diesel over long time will be more expensive since the repair bill for the filters and the build up in the EGR Valve will clock up at 40.000 miles upwards.
Not if you dont have egr or dpf
the problem is the fleshbag behind the wheel that probably does not know how to drive a diesel right
I’m a technician at a ford dealership. And I would push people for petrols. There’s a system to “lower” emissions which in the diesel particulate filter you have lots of particulates. Over time it all builds up and as a way to deal with it there’s an injector to inject diesel into the exhaust and catch fire to burn it. Sometimes that doesn’t work and can’t empty it by it self by law you can’t take it off and hit it all out it’s an MOT fail. You’d have to buy a new one. Very similar with EGR systems. And EGR on a focus is £500 and a DPF is £1,300 (not a genuine one). And a petrol well they don’t have particulate filters (except for some which ain’t as complex or need monitoring) and don’t have EGR systems.
Petrols are a lot easier to maintain if you take a diesel put new oil and filter and drive it for an hour the oil will be black. If you do the same with a petrol it will still be a golden colour (my car has clean oil after a whole year).
Also a Renault Kadjar Diesel engine is the same engine as a Suzuki Vitara and any Dacia Diesel. It’s a 1.5 Diesel out of a clio (and it’s not an extremely new engine either)
the press bashing is a joke. The little particles emitted by all vehicles are minimal. The most particles come from the Industry and home owners. In Austria only 14% are emitted by cars including trucks.
Yes
I have a compact SUV and a roundtrip to and from work is about 80km for me, most of it in the motorway. So yeah I went for the diesel option. Got the car new in April 2018 and it uses adblue, so I am not worried about particles or other gases.
I think a very important point on running costs was missed, which involves common failures on modern diesels. Some dealers wont even cover them under warranty. DPFs and dual mass flywheels go very quickly, especially if you use your car for short journeys. Diesel owners, I would dare saying most of them, will go to a performance garage to remove the DPF, leaving the environmental concerns aside. This is not really a problem for them because MOT only measures Co2.
Petrol any day!
Just to mention, modern petrol cars also has increased levels of small particulates (have no idea why just read it recently) and probably will also need filters just like thee diesels
Benzinio That' s because they use direct injection for spark igniton engines too now. Even worse is that particulates emitted from petrol engines are much smaller snd therefore much more dangerous for humans and filters are unable to help with this because the particulates are simply to small. Cheers
Thanks mate, always good to learn new things :)
Cheers
To expand even further on what Matej has said: direct injection causes particulates because the fuel/air mixture is not pre-mixed and therefore not 'homogeneous' (completely mixed) This leave spots of unburnt fuel which is superheated and becomes carbon, nitrate and even metallic deposits, which makes up particulate matter. Petrol particulates are smaller because of the increased volatility over diesel fuel. If only I remembered this during my exam last week..
Then aren't the old infection systems better? Probably a bit more CO2 but less to non particulates...
Benzinio that's correct, some modern engines have direct and indirect injection, partly to try and counter this. (other reasons, such as part load efficiency) But as cars are taxed on co2 manufacturers aren't too concerned about particulates in petrols... For now.
That was a really good punchy video with zero BS. How to do it!
They put in heated seats, heated mirrors, heated steering wheel but not a heated DPF!
All depends on mileage. High milers with long commutes need diesel and it's better for the environment as it uses less fuel. Low milers only doing 5-10 mile trips are better with a petrol. This isn't complicated.
Diesels are louder, however with these new small engines a diesel turns on the highway at 2300rpm and a gas more like 3000+ wich does make more noise with some bigger cars.
I've learnt something... A suv needs a 2.0 engine as a minimum, not a 1.2 petrol that screams to move that car or a 1.5 diesel that has it's balls stretched to make enough power, suv are okish in aerodinamics but are big and mostly heavy and need a good reliable power for them to have a good fuel economy and speed
But that's my opinion 🤷♂️
Dont forget the extra outlay at the beginning is carried over when you sell it so after 3 years and 38k miles the diesel may well still go for £2k more than the petrol.
What about diesel electric for ultimate economy? :)
My car is leg powered
😂 😂 😂 😂
Same here 👍🏿
Funny I live in Canada, I just but the 3.6L VR6 Touareg over the V6 TDI. The TDI is gutless compared to the petrol powered motor. Here in Toronto alot of gas stations don't sell diesel, the ones that do there is only one pump. I used to live in the UK and drive diesels but never again there only around in England because petrol is so expensive.
after many diesel cars, my next one will be petrol. Government has now given local authorities the option to charge drivers of diesel cars a fee for entering areas of cities. Now, I know they may not implement this, but it's worth thinking about.
thanks matt, explains alot. what about particulate filters which some manufacturers claim "recharges" and self cleans at 80km/h?
All dpfs clean themselves not at speed but normally you have to drive doing more then 2500rpm for around 20 - 30 min. but they have a life span of around 80-120k
VW Boss said this year in Geneve Motor Show Diesel was going to do a come back.
It never went away anyway, it's not like everyone stopped making diesel engines lmao
How about simple, conventional hybrids compared to those two? And then a comparision between conventinal hybrids, plug in hyrids and eletric?
And the first thing he said about the DPF filter is they are basically wank. My 207 additive pouch burst and also now has no additives to put in the diesel and also comes up with a clogging risk so yay think I'll get a petrol next
Is 2013 an old diesel engine? btw loved this video
Only reason i didn't get a diesel is because of the low emission zones here in Belgium, way too anoying to deal with
Diesel burns dirtier leaving more residue behind compared to petrol. This should be making you change the oil more often than a petrol car since it probably is going to get more contamination. Idk if the manufacturers say this though. I have a diesel car and I can't say that I really like that engine. It rattles when stopped, idles are loud etc. And damn it doesn't even rev to near redline it just doesn't rev. I want a petrol engine and I want to feel the revs.
Diesels are more efficient, have more torque and require no spark plugs and produce less CO2, although they do produce more Nitrogen.
You won't overtake with a 1.2 at 2000 rpm
Andrei95sky hahhah yea maybe moped
Which is why you'd go for a diesel
Not a fair comparison in my opinion.. The gear boxes make alot of differences. Fit them with the same gear box and try again
Even when the gearbox are the same they use different ratios in diesel box due to the extra torque.
Well, I am going to take this as an advert to sell more diesels through Carwow.
If you want to complete the comparison, you should mention the reliability of the filters in diesel powertrains, turbos, injectors, etc.
I don't see why you didn't include "electrified" powertrains (hybrid, plug-in hybrid, fully electric) in the comparison.
Especially the hybrid is nowadays a no-compromise alternative, which gets good mileage in the city without the reliability issues and roughness of diesels...
What about long term maintenance costs?
A 1.2 litre 4x4 fucking hell you’d be lucky to hit 60mph in that
Petrol
Mat is T posing on the thumbnail to assert dominance
Petrol all the way.
Diesel = Noisy, heavy, smelly, bad for our health and more expensive.
The only good thing about them are their low rev torque, but thats about it.
Better mpg
I will always buy a diesel much more fun.
Adam Chase how can diesel be more fun. Just drove my dads 2.7 tdi for a couple of days, and I couldnt wait till I was back in my 1.6 petrol lol. Even though it doesnt go as fast as 2.7 , its sound is better , no turbolag, smoother, 6,300 rpm redline etc
xmark99x depends on what you drove. Drive a diesel 2.0 litre BMW or a 3.0 litre Audi and you'll know.
ok thats true, bmw is always the sportier one. but still, petrol engines will always be more fun
xmark99x there is no turbo lag , u need to know how to shift an diesel , i bet u were changing gears at 5k+ rmp
I'm looking forward to the end of diesel. I hope I'll live long enough
72mpg vs 50 mpg. Save money buy diesel. Both fuel are polluting environment.
you kinda completely ignored the extra torque a diesel gives, which at least in a bit older cars means, much easier hill starts, better in stop-start traffic and better towing capacity
If I have a choice between a gutless N/A Japanese or Korean petrol engine and diesel equivalent, I'll take the diesel. However if I have a choice between a Euro low-inertia turbocharged petrol and diesel, I'll take the Euro turbo petrol. I'll only take diesel if there is no torquey turbocharged petrol engine available.
What is the device you are using to mesure the 0-60mph ?
Data logger
My last 2 cars were diesel & both suffered with blocked dpf's, not cheap at 800 quid each time for parts alone, what a ridiculous design flaw.
So with little motorway driving i'll be going for petrols from now on.
what RPM did you change gears at?
@@catalintimofti1117 I've always had a diesel, i tend to drive with a heavy foot and have fun riding the turbo through the gears. But i only do say 5-8 miles a day these past ten years, so i rarely got to open it up for a good thrashing. Have a petrol 1.5 turbo ateca now which will suit city living much better.
That's how a comparison is done!
Diesel for work. Petrol for fun.
who pays 27k $ for a Renault?
Exactly.
Hahahahah... like
Who want to buy, will pay
Seriously
It's £27k not dollars dickhead
One of the major factors (if not the most important one) for choosing between diesel and petrol car, is its daily use.
So if you perform frequent short runs from cold, petrol is the only option you should consider. This is due to the fact that DPF, the Diesel Particulate Filter, which is mandatory for diesel cars Euro 5 and above, needs to reach a certain temperature in order to operate efficiently and reduce the soot particles. Yes it does have a regeneration mechanism which helps it to autoclean (not all mechanisms have the same efficiency, the most reliable and efficient one is on Mercedes cars), but still frequent short runs from cold will eventually block the DPF in any car and it is not so cheap to replace. If you do short runs but you also perform at least once per week a good run in the motorway, driving at 2.5-3K rpm for half an hour or more, the DPF can regenerate sufficiently making diesel safe option in that case.
Other than that, all other parameters mentioned in the video are fully valid.
OTOH, if you drive your diesel gently in cold and don't rev above, IDK, 1800 rpm, there's really no soot to reduce: the air/fuel ratio inside the cylinders is so huge, the fuel burns almost completely. You need to pretty much floor the modern diesel to start producing significant quantities of soot, any you won't floor it when cold in any case.
The DPFs on BMWs are good
@@filipvidinovski7960 diesel engines have to be revved over 2k at all times if you drive like you said in a couple years you'll fuck the DPF
@@catalintimofti1117 My 11+ yo 200k+ km Nissan QQ disagrees. (1.5 DCi Renault)
@@filipvidinovski7960 because that engine is made out of unicorn tears
I've driven diesels as well as petrol cars.
In terms of sound you have to know (especially with smaller engines) that the Diesel will be quiter when doing high speeds on the Autobahn(170-180kmh/100-110mph) since it doesn't revs that high.
If you want to "race the roads" for Fun you should definetly get a petrol. If not you will surely appreciate that the Diesel has Most of its Power available in the lower rev-range because it makes usual accelerations like you do when driving onto the highway or into small spaces at the roundabout, more comfortable.
In some Countries (Germany) Tax in Diesel Cars is way higher than on petrols. But next to better mileage Diesel is also cheaper to buy here.
If you Take care of your Car a Diesel engine will usually live longer. In my Family it is Common to Drive Cars until they die. Our diesels Always reached 250k kilometers (my current Diesel has 380k kilometers on the clock). Our petrol cars all died between 160k and 240k kilometers (even tho a friend of mine is driving a 430k kilometer BMW E39 525i)
Summary:
Think about his thoughts. Sometimes the opposite of what you think is gonna happen unser certain circumstances
@@Momanic as another comment said; petrol for fun, diesel for work. If you're getting your first car I would recommend a diesel, especially if it's a manual since they're harder to stall
WOW....Taxation
Petrol £140 (€160) - Diesel £160 (€183)
In Belgium - VW Golf 7 Variant 2016
Petrol €155 (£135) - Diesel €465 (£406)
ARMATUNE why
Jesus Christ Belgium is expensive
Belgium is expensive? Haha that amount is per Year, in the netherlands you’re paying for the same car 315€ for 3 months, thats around 105€ A MONTH.!!!!!!!
that's why they use bicycles in NL...or citroen...they are light weight.
Petrol is cheaper to tax in England
If you have a heavy car or suv i'd buy a diesel, for a light car or sports car a petrol
MARIO UK Mercedes did make a "sporty" diesel car
MARIO UK there is a diesel peugeot rcz and audi tt and there are a few diesel hot hatches like the golf gtd
Also Skoda Octavia RS TDI
hmm. skoda octavia rs 2.0 TDI (184 Hp)
BMW Alpina D3
Why did you not say anything about maintenance cost and long term ownership cost / mechanical issues/ spare parts price etc?
Seat ibiza 1.6 tdi injector price £360
Seat ibiza 1.6 petrol injector price £40 it's big difference
yes diesels last longer and require less maintence. No spark plugs to replace too :)
@@dieselgeezer18 that used to be the case when diesels had manual injectors and no emmision equipment. The maintenance costs of a modern diesel don't justify buying one. I had a deisel pickup and I drive a diesel semi truck..(broken down right now') no thanks
@@telcobilly well, i have a toyota hilux diesel from 1994 and a Mitsubishi L300/Delica diesel van. They are pretty fuel efficient and extremely reliable. The toyota hilux has 600.000 miles and the mitsubishi Van has 300.000 miles. Only oil changes and one broken thermostat in the van. Nothing else on the engines has been touched. Super reliable and can take hours of abuse. I have relatives who own old diesel cars and trucks that have crazy milage but they still work perfectly
Yes, DPF problems are the deal-killer for diesels.
Petrol because it smells nicer :)
Nicer than what? electricity doesn't have any smell. If you like that smell in your electric car, just pour one gallon gasoline beside your seats and you have that smell too... If you like the noise.. Just build some big speakers inside with a sound generator and you have that noise too. If you like the vibration, just build in and electric vibrator and you don't have that smooth driving anymore.
i think you should use old two strokes engine, it smells nicer.
@@eDriver What if I like manuals??
@@eDriver Oh go away you and your electric car propaganda.
I prefer the smell of diesel, plus diesel sounds nicer too and more masculine
I am a Rebel, if people go Petrol I'll Go Diesel.
If they Go Diesel, I'll still Go Diesel.
Cars run on gasoline, Tractors run on diesel 😁😁😁
@ferkemall Wait until it gets older and starts breaking down! 😂
@@nikolanikola8543 stop comparing tractors to cars, power output from tractors gets converted into a lot of torque, anyways wondering why they have huge engines?
60 hp tractor could pull 600hp modern car no matter the surface. By the way how would a car transmission and a cars petrol engine be able do pull a 1 row plow through the dirt. Also taking the fact
a 90hp modern tractor would run to 100 000 dollars because of the advanced technology complex engines and transmission to put out a ton of torque to the wheels.
@@miki35001 Diesel doesn't belong in a car!
@@nikolanikola8543 In that case a lot of tractors are better than your car. Now how does that makes you feel ?
15 large cargo ships emits more pollution than all the cars in the world, and there's over a 100.000 of them on the seas. If you really want to make a difference to the environment, start buying locally produced items and less of the garbage out of Asia. But lets face it. we're all hypocrites when it comes to money vs anything else.
that's actually not true; the study looked at particular substances, not overall pollution;
secondly, even with that pollution from the ships, growing locally often uses more energy; growing tomatoes in Britain needs heated house glasses for instance; and that heat is done with polluting means; and it is overall NOT better to buy locally;
use the common sense though for witch products though
Yes.
Not forgetting the pollution from cow farts. That's even worse.
My car is powered by the souls of the lost
Yeah technically the souls of fossilised dinosaurs
sounds rad.
My car is powered by Philosopher's stone.
@@f2pdbl017 just use alchemy
So you drive a Skoda then?
There's one thing you forgot, diesels are more efficient when driving long distances and petrols are more efficient around town so it depends on where you usually drive to (probably how far away your job is from where you live.)
Yea, long roads on highway diesels beat even hybrids in consumption.
Diesel sounds like you’re driving a van
@ferkemall There are quite a lot of petrol vans in my area alongside the diesels
@ferkemall I know, I was just saying that there are a lot of petrol vans in my area.
More like a tractor :')
Never heard a proper diesel engine ? Like a merc/BMW/Audi... Mine really doesn't sound like that rubbish renault
@@livaivandeweyer6464 You mean the Mercedes-Benz models that use Renault diesels? Germany don't make good diesels anymore. France and Korea make the best.
? makes no sense to lock in M7 to measure acceleration. even a Bentley will be slow if stuck in M8. This gearbox would've downshifted to 3rd.
You could've downshifted a diesel to 3rd. I don't think you've undertood the point in that test. The test is showing ease of driving and low down torque.
@@daveyboiyeah test should be done at same gear length, if automatic has longer final gear it will be slower even if engine is the same. MAYBE this particular petrol was slower, but test wasn't fair...
Usually Diesels sit at 2000rpm at 70mph in top gear. Diesels have peak torque at typically 1800rpm, which in terms would be 60mph. So accelerating in top gear in a Diesel is fairly easy to 70mph. Most Petrols that have manual 5-speed boxes have 4th gear direct drive and 5th overdrive, which typically lets the car do 2800-3200rpm at 70mph, where peak torque is generally between 3500-4800rpm. Some petrol automatics for fuel economy have more overdrive gears and thus can keep low RPMs but are too far from the torque range figure, and thus 7th top gear would be too high for it to accelerate properly from whatever it was at, likely 2000rpm at 60.
@@ConstantinSPurcea It's really not that simple depends hugely on gear ratios and quite often the petrol has better in gear acceleration than the Diesel equivalent all else being equal.
This was a very bad comparison because one car was manual and the other automatic. Automatic transmissions usually have higher final gears to minimize fuel consumption, and acceleration in these gears is not a concern because you're supposed to let it do its job and downshift if you put your foot down (if the fact that this auto has 7 gears vs 6 in the manual wasn't a giveaway, and if you notice it was doing about 2000rpm at 60mph which is insanely low for some 140hp petrol engine).
Compare for instance in gear acceleration figures for a MK7 Golf GTI vs GTD:
www.zeperfs.com/en/duel4563-4626.htm
No - you are wrong. He didnt downshift in the Diesel, and he had to lock the petol auto to create a fair test. Both tests must have the same parameters to be accurate.
you forgot to mention the HUGE problem with DPF and short journeys!
@ferkemall that genuinely doesn't change the fact that diesels fart out more crap.
A regular short burst of high revs in low gear will usually blow the shit out.
Once a week, take the car out to the motorway and do 2.5k RPM in fifth or fourth gear, and within 10-15 mins the DPF will be fine. The lack of maintenance and people choosing DPF equipped cars for city driving are what cause these issues; there’s nothing wrong with the system itself.
@@mikep6726 The point is that it was not mentioned! Why should you need to take a car out once a week for a long run to make it work properly! The use of the car is a massive factor in petrol/diesel choice.
My dpf clears its self, I get around 45mpg in the city, it will put the revs high when it needs to clear(only like once a month)
On a mountain road with 4 passengers and luggage the diesel car will have easily 1/2 fuel consumption to the petrol car.Always it's the Torque that generates power.
Dont complete agree but yea, you get it atleast someone who gets it 😂
I like the sound of diesel engine
My vehicle runs on coca cola
There should a bigger push for hybrid, that tiny e-power really helps to improve mpg/kpg on city usage by as much as 30-40%.
Here in Greece you pay 80€ taxes per year on a 1.4 l diesel and around 260€ on a 1.4 tsi. Besides this, diesel costs 1.1€\per litre and petrol sells for 1.45€\per litre.
Στην Ελλάδα όλα ερχοντε με 10 - 15 χρόνια καθυστέρηση.. Τώρα που η Ευρώπη αρχίζει κ "διώχνει" τα diesel τα έφεραν στην Ελλάδα. Αν ο κόσμος αγοράζει diesel το καύσιμο θα αυξηθεί θα φτάσει την τιμή της βενζίνης. Για μέσα στην πόλη δεν αξίζει diesel όπως δεν αξίζει diesel κάτω από 2.0. Τα service ποιο ακριβά κ αν δεν κάνεις πάνω από 150-200 χλ την μερα δεν αξίζει.
İn 2020 if you Live in belguim euro 4 3 2 and 1 diesel cars will cost you a tax of 300€ 3 2 1 are already taxed but in 2020 euro 4 will be too
@randomm User1237589 fuck hazard and fuck real madrid
@@tezatmezat lol
You should have included reliabilty and long term ownership maintanence cost. That's what buying car is all about.
same here. I go diesel all the way. Best reliablity and no spark plug
@@dieselgeezer18 dpf lol
@@amirfirdaus9419 haha my diesel doesn't have DPF because is from 1997
You get a particulates filter now in gasoline cars as well. New stupid EU regulations
Diesel engines last longer
You should have done this test with a sporty mid size saloon or something, not a shitty french fake suv for people who couldn't care less about driving!
Komor Uddin same result. Diesel is just slower
7:08 oh dear, the familiar-sounding Volkswen diesel TDI rattling tho
VW seriously sound like a dump truck
@@philip.aocallaghan4602 Diesel only sounds bad when idle
@@philip.aocallaghan4602 yeah because every construction vehicle uses diesel
....and the most fun and amazing part now about Diesels, because they are that much cheaper to run, you can go with a 400 hp Diesel sports car and still run cheaper than most Petrols, you step up in power/engine size then the fuel consumption doesnt change that much on Diesels if you compared to a Petrol.... having the time of your life, looking better and driving far more fun AND STILL CONSUME LESS THAN A 1.1 Litre 110hp PETROL!!!! Can you imagine driving a petrol with 300-400 hp? Haha, you will have to camp at the fuel station.
What you fail to mention are the long term maintenance hazards of diesel; choked up DPF, failed EGR, failed turbo bearings, failed dual mass flywheel and their unsuitability for lots of short journeys.
Diesel injectors going bad, highpressure pumps going faulty, the most importent thing when choosing between these two types of engine.
Running costs on a diesel is so much higher, and it only has to go wrong one time, then all your fuel savings are gone x10.
thus buy a pre 2010 diesel most of these problems go away
God LovesAtheist, I agree 100%, imo the last best diesel engine for car's was VW's 1.9 TDI PD.
After the CR system came, with particle filters ect, it went down hill for alle manufacturers.
The problem is actually not diesel engines its the government regulations requirements.
You can ask for all the requirements you want, but at some point, the manufacturer have to call it quits, because the government kinda is in it's own little utopia :-)
Horus - I love how the things you mentioned are used in most modern petrol cars as well...
Impetuz Viscus I had a vw 1.9 tdi engine and it was a complete disaster! multiple injector failures, egr valves and Turbo failure! if that was suppose to be a good diesel then we should just give up on progress now!
I have a diesel car and apart from the cheaper fuel bills, it's horrible. It's loud and rattling, a petrol engine is far smoother and feels sophisticated.
I prefer the sound of a diesel, diesel feels stronger and they do make smooth diesels too.
Diesel engine sound does sound like a real engine
@@roshanthapa9321 yes that's why sport car got V8 TDI engine haha. No petrol sound like a real engine.
V6 TDI sounds better than most petrol cars
I would just like to say that since I wrote this post, I now have a different diesel car and its much better than the diesel I had 4 years ago. So I take it back, I like some diesels.
I have a 10litre triple turbo, supercharged German crap wagon sports coupes with a diesel engine as back up for when it breaks down, it's great, uses that much fuel I have to stop at every garage I come across. It does 0 to 100kms in 0.5 seconds and pollutes as good as any VW on the planet. It's for Sale!
Steve H how much and where u live
Normally I'd buy petrol, but currently I run a diesel car and that torque and hiss of a turbo is so satisfying! Don't worry when buying a car - if you're going only short trips - never consider diesel. If you do longer trips at least once every 2/3 weeks - just get what car you like most or is cheaper.
In Turkey according to 2017 figures, there is only 26.1% of cars are petrol. You can buy 45 breads instead of 1 galoon of gasoline. A 20 years old Astra costs 50% of a brand new Astra. So you don't have to think about the amortisman too. Everyone knows a mechanic guy who can fix his car for free and everyone has "if the god wants me dead airbag can do nothing" mind. Because of this second hand market, even the worst crashed cars worth restoring. So the market is full of poorly repaired and crashed before cars. We blow our minds when we check the second hand car market of yours. If your 300£ Ford Escort was here it would deserved "The cleanest Ford Escort of Turkey" title and with the money you sold it, you would eat Turkish kebap for 1866 times.
I drive around 12.000 miles yearly. I was i doubt when, chosing my civic 2015.... a 1,8 with 142/174 nm or a 1,6Tdi with 125/300nm... thats a massive diffrence in torque... but im a petrol head and the 0-60 is 2 seconds faster in the petrol. + Honda gears is lovely to change so i'm happy i went for petrol, its so much more fun to drive a petrol and having 50mins to work i want my minutes to be fun, and capable to be quick.
Why didn’t you chose Civic 2.2 Idtec 150BHP 350NM 0-60 8.2 seconds
@@Mr330d not able to get it in my country
@@ThunderWindz Luckily the 1.6 Idtec is tuneable to 150bhp 350NM 😏
Dirty diesel is going to get banned eventually :)
Good news because I like my lungs and petrol is more than good enough
Ye keep dreaming,if diesel would be banned your local stores/supermarkets will surely close 😅
Petrol as well lol
Buy a petrol car. Because when a diesel car goes wrong no one can fix it .. had bmw mini countryman diesel auto with 45 k miles only , which kept going into limp mode. Wasted £2000 at different garages.. for last garage to say we think its the turbo another £2000 please !
Sold car to WBAC , They sold at car auction and next buyer couldn't get the car fixed and it has been off the road for a year .. car sold in car auction for £7000 ..
When diesel cars go wrong. They go wrong big time .. turbo , egr. Dpf ..sensor this sensor that
I don't think concerns about diesel started with the VW scandal. The issues mentioned below are the same as when I first experienced a diesel Cavalier in 1986. Diesel has never been and never will be suited to being burned near populated areas. Diesel engines are ill-suited to applications where engine speed varies such as cars. They are far better-suited to constant-speed operation which makes treating their exhaust gases much easier. The point about carbon dioxide is a moot one. It is illusory to take it into account in this analysis. The oil will be refined, the quantities of petrol and diesel obtained from a given volume of crude don't change and the resulting fuels will be burned anyway. It seems logical therefore to burn diesel away from people. The WHO has classed diesel fumes as a known carcinogen and it is thought diesel fumes cause 7,000 premature deaths a year in the UK. Add to that the smell or both the fuel and the exhaust fumes, the noise, the vibrations and the cost to purchase and there's really no contest at all. It's a no brainer both from an engineer's point of view and that of a responsible citizen. The scandal is the taxation system that has pushed buyers towards diesel for personal transport. Personally I have never owned a diesel car and never will. I would have a diesel container ship, though...
All the companies that fucked their customers over the emmissions scandal should never be trusted again. I'm not even considering them after that. If they tried to trick you once, they'll try again.
One thing you forgot to mention here was how journey type and length matter. Many people have been buying diesels to drive on short journeys and in stop-start urban conditions, only to experience DPF problems very quickly! Diesels only run clean when they are fully warmed up and running at a constant load, i.e at a cruise. They are not suited to urban driving at all, it's only very recently that dealers have even started talking about these things with customers due to the number of warranty claims they are having with clogged DPFs and damaged turbos etc.
What if you do both urban and long distance ?
Do this video again but using performance cars made. so a Golf GTI and a GTD would be a good comparison or something like a 330i vs 330d also make sure their both same gearbox because that does play a part
Petrol cars tend to be lighter / less nose heavy. Meaning that the petrol car will be more agile / better to drive. That's an important point for those of us that like a good drive.
Ye but them egr valves an the particular filters cost a bomb when it comes to services on some makes, but I like this 1.5dci Renault engine I'm hearing good things bout this one 🤔
The majority of us buy used cars so new car prices are irrelevant. Buying a diesel was a no brainier for me. I can get up to 60mpg on the motorway in my 320D touring which gives me a range of about 750 miles. It might sound like a delivery van at low speed but it's torquey and once up to cruising speed it's effortless and quiet. I see no point in buying a petrol engines car for my purposes.
I could also mention, if someone is afraid of the DPF, if you floor it sometimes, and not driving like my grandma, it will burn out properly, and won't cause too much headache.
Agreed, I've got a 325d (3.0 straight six turbo) - so bad mpg in diesel standards but still 42mpg with a lot of country A road + motorway driving. Never driven economically as I make the most of the 320ftlb of torque on my right foot.
The only way a petrol would maybe suit better is if I was doing slot of driving in towns, with start stop traffic and diesels don't really like that. Don't get me wrong it shifts when you want but the mpg drops a lot if you don't let it open up at higher speeds. I was getting 37mpg when I fuelled up in town and did about 20 local towns miles, so a petrol would have probably been better, especially as that's potentially blocking the dpf on the diesel
like most people I love the power delivery of petrol engines+the sound etc. But compared to my previous 1.6 petrol Toyota before I get just under double the bhp, 3 x more torque, and under the same driving style, about 15 mpg more, oh and the tax is £20 less.
There's was literally no upside to the petrol, and the bigger petrol engines are higher in tax and less fuel efficient.
My 1.6TDI polo is used for short journey but if i blast it up the motorway for 10 minutes the light goes off for a couple of months!
Didn't some cities start banning diesels? I heard you can't drive a diesel somewhere in Germany.
Any truth to that?
Why not LPG? Cheap to operate, cheap to tank and really good for enviroment. I own 2014 Carrera S with LPG and is a blast to drive. I had 2015 M550d before and that an absolute failure. That engine had so many problems, that BMW was forced by court to buy this car from me. Also, I was banned to drive to certain parts of my town, because I had diesel.
Still not all countries have equal prices for diesel and petrol. In Croatia diesel is lot cheaper. But some petrol owners installed gas tanks because gas is even more cheaper.
That tractor sound is enough for me to prefer the petrol cars. :D
ferkemall it's all good, mate. There are pros and cons of every type of engines.
@@theoriginalLP despite being loud when you are outside.. the diesel car on the inside sometimes is well noise isolated so you could barely hear anything
@@terzokun8596 sure, but you still hear a difference between diesel and petrol engine in the same model.
Search for diesel turbo v8 sound in lancruiser👍
@@SVDdragunov1 Is it a very loud tractor? :D
Petrol powered cars do have more acceleration
I’m getting a 1.2 GTI Polo and the petrol is slower 0-60 and less engine power than diesel? The one I want is petrol but that’s kind of putting me off, I always thought petrol was nippier
Love the diesel sound.
For these tiny shiteboxes maybe. When it comes to powerful engines petrol always wins
@@AverageAlien , not any more . Torque v hp ? Hp v torque?
@@Indigenous51 Petrol wins in terms of horsepower
@Ronix 97 yes
@Ronix petrol produce more horsepower, diesel produce more torque
Petrol is just miles better. End of. Unless you own a Massey Ferguson of course.
My parents always used to say diesels are good for long distances and petrol is better suited for short distances. Is that actually true or does it barely matter?
It's not true.
Let's say you are stuck in traffic in the city where usually the cars use more fuel.
With a diesel you'd save more money because A more torque so less effort for the car to move and less fuel used, B diesel cars have way better economy than any petrol and C diesel is cheaper.
I'm more of a petrol guy but if it's economy Diesel wins every time
You're such a star!! Really enjoyed watching this video. Great info on the differences between the two fuel options.
Keep up the good work!
A fan from USA.
For me its very simple:
If you have a small car or a sporty one wich is used on short Trips, buy a Petrol.
If you have a lage family car or station wagon or any car wich runs only on long trips, buy a Diesel.
Ive got a 2013 Renault Laguna 150 dCi. Perfect car. Nice and powerful engine.
But if i would buy a car like a Clio or Megane in RS or GT version it has to be a petrol.
FlyLikeAlbatross Totally agree with you on that, I went from a Q7 to a TT since it just me now
What about bmw 1 series for normally city driving and occasionally 150 miles drive once a month?
OrcaNinja petrol, less problems, less tax, more speed (generally)... Petrol are better in towns and urban, diesels are more for long journeys like commuting everyday far
FlyLikeAlbatross I’m getting a smaller car (1.2 Polo GTI) so sounds like petrol would be ideal but it’s slower isn’t it? 0-60 is slower and engine power is less? (I don’t know anything about cars)
Who only uses their car for one type of trip?
Diesel VS petrol :NO2 and particulates. The problem is that people are unable to read engineering specs, there are petrol engines that emit more NO2 / particulates than diesels, though generally petrol is cleaner. There is a big BUT here. All emission tests are done with the car at operating temperature and this means the petrol catalytic converter at optimum temperature above 200 degC. This is a significantly long time depending on the driving, and in cold conditions - never. Without the cat in operation a petrol engine is usually more polluting with regard to NO2 than diesel. The other big problem is that most journeys are short (the school run for example) and emission control system is never active in this case.
If only graphs of emission VS time in different weather conditions would be produced for different/equivalent cars, that would be helpful for the public what the problem is.
Yeah, diesels with dpf and adblue are cleaner than petrols, BUT the latest petrol engines have particulate filters fitted which brings them back to the top.
It is exellent that you focus on the diffenrences between diesel and petrol but it is not ok that you forget the most important thing: people using their car for short runs in their local area should NOT buy a diesel car! This is becauce the particulate filter gets full, the EGR valve must be replaced at certain intervals (expensive) and the top of the valves in the engine gets stuffed; so called "coxing". One alo needs extra heater in cold conditions which is an extra cost.
That's why my family sold our pickup truck (diesel) and switched into hatchback (petrol) because the short drive router are more often for us.
Wait - 35mpg from a 1.2 petrol?? That's terrible. A Golf R with a 2.0 Turbo and 300hp gets average of 30mpg. And weight doesn't matter either as a quick Google search of each car says they both have the same kerb weight! I guess the 1.2 is working harder but 35mpg...
Milind Dixit a car that high will not do better. The only gasoline vehicle that will do better, will be much lower and have a better coefficient of drag. I have never seen a gasoline car average more than 35 mpg in the real word. On a long road trip while hypermiling, sure, but not overall.
Like the guy before me said, this Renault is a much heavier car and it produces way more drag than the Golf, can't really compare Golf with an SUV.
I actually own a Golf R 2017 300HP model. I get 35 MPG no problem on the motorway (not driving economically) and between 20 and 25 MPG around town. 17 MPG if I'm driving quickly. So it depends what kind of driving they were doing. Another huge factor that has already been mentioned is that the Renault is bigger and heavier!
Real world consumption is different from official numbers.
Yes, I have a 4.3 v8 and on a long trip I can get 32 imperial mpg. I average about 28.
That 1.2 is apparently too small and overworked above its efficient load range
That petrol didn't sound very smooth at all :o