@@thesteampunkmachine9077it depends on how the survey is worded. If its "select all that apply to you" or something along those lines then yes thats how it works. For example if you have 10 people. "Do you prefer cats or dogs" the total would be 100%, say 40% cat, 60% dog "Which pets would you like to own, select all that apply: cats, dogs, fish, birds" you can end up with Cat 40% Dog 60% Fish 20% Bird 30% If you incorrectly add up the percentages you will wrongly get 150% because you are looking at the data in the wrong way
Since "monarchy is wrong and should be replaced on principle" and "should never have been involved in the past" are not mutually exclusive im assuming people voted both and thats why its over 100%
We have a national reparations committee? I wonder about these discussions, if a republic was part of the colonial past, would these countries want to become a monarchy to separate from the past? I don't have much issue with keeping the monarchy. It will be more stable than the mess of politics we have locally.
France. France is the example here, and the past colonies became republics (besides the CAR who did a little trolling for a bit). The "monarchy is bad because slavery" doesn't hold. I don't see anyone in West, North and Central Africa saying that republicanism is bad because the French Republic(s) exploited their people.
As a Canadian, I think being commonwealth nation with a constitution monarch as head of state is better than the alternative. It makes consolidation of power more difficult which is a way to make authoritarian governments more challenging to occur
@@maclain728 no consolidation of power? What do you think a monarch is anyways? While the commonwealth is no longer an absolute monarchy, it was based in one and now is only a figurehead with little to no political power (basically even if they wanted to they can't use it). So I don't see how your point stands to be honest. You're only adding or removing another layer of privileged class with little to no value to the current systems in place.
@@VictorPerez-vu1fo The idea that the monarchy, especially throughout the Commonwealth, is completely ceremonial and plays no purpose is simply wrong. There are numerous concrete examples of the exercise of royal powers in recent times. In 1975 the Governor-General (Monarch’s representative) of Australia dismissed Prime Minister Gough Whitlam after he tried to stay in office after his budget was defeated in parliament, in contravention of Westminster principles. In 2013 the Governor-General of Tuvalu dismissed the Prime Minister after he tried to prevent parliament from sitting to hold a vote of no confidence after he lost his majority in a by-election. The case of Tuvalu is especially interesting because the Queen was personally involved, because the PM called her and told her to dismiss the GG, in an effort to prevent his own dismissal. The Queen refused. In 1999, 2013 and 2018 a single party won all the parliamentary seats in Grenada, meaning there was no elected opposition. The Governor-General then stepped in, deciding to appoint members of the defeated opposition to the Senate, to provide some form of parliamentary opposition to the government. In Grenada the Governor-General is also personally responsible for directly appointing the Supervisor of Elections. As such, the Crown is the authority directly overseeing elections, completely separately from the government. In Canada in 2008 the Governor-General stepped in during a government crisis when the Conservative Harper government was being faced with defeat on a no confidence vote in parliament. Harper asked the GG to prorogue (suspend) parliament for 2 months to prevent the motion from taking place. The GG refused, giving him only 3 weeks on the condition a confidence vote be held when parliament resumed. The monarch’s role in this is removed, but still important, because it is the King who appoints the Governor-General and ensures their party-political independence and neutrality. While GGs are formally appointed on the advice of the relevant realm’s Prime Minister, the monarch has a lot of influence in the process, as shown just weeks ago in Australia. The PM reportedly wanted his indigenous affairs minister Linda Burney to become GG. The King supposedly rejected her as unsuitable on account of partisanship, during the informal “consultation” phase, which comes before formal advice.
@blondsquirrel4739 dumb question. but asking people to pay a group of people money because of something that they never went through or have ever been effected by. i can 100% tell you there's not a black person in america that knows what it was like being a slave nor r they affected by anything that happened then. playing victim for something that didnt happen to them and isnt affecting them and asking for compensation for it is absolutely fn wild.
Yeah… as an ex orphan in Zimbabwe I can honestly swear that Zimbabwe hates Britain they taught me that in 1984-1988 when they falanga’ed me and told me to go back from where I came from. I was a small kid they taught me pain and true racism… miss Little, Winnie, Gloria, Mrs terriboy and Mrs Mpofu they told me to go back… irony is the orphanage I was in was called Queen Elizabeth ll Adventist children’s home Bulawayo
@@historiamilitaris5161 1980 it was Zimbabwe they don’t like the Rhodesia history and I paid for the period of time before I was born. Its evils were laid on my 6 year old feet. They made sure I’d never forget.
Hardly anyone in the Bahamas supports that type of racism. We don’t hate the UK (most of the Caribbean doesn’t) we just expect respect. We plenty of white Bahamians and even Brits living here. Of course nobody over here is a Rhodesia supporter. However Zimbabwe is a tragedy of Ethno-Nationalism and it’s effects when taken to extreme.
I mean it’s fine if that’s what they want however that does then mean our Royal Navy shouldn’t be helping them during every single hurricane season and patrolling there waters preventing drug smuggling or our army training there officers and NCOs
Again I don’t understand why you people are so ruffled. We ask for compensation and you throw a tantrum. Your the same people who forget who sent you food during the war when the Nazis were trying to starve you out and sent our metal scraps and literal rail way tracks to be melted for weaponry.
@@Theorimlig And? Wanna bring back those times? If you don't want to bring back the 'old management' then UK owes them nothing. Back then when conquering was a normal thing nobody would have minded taking more land, resources and work force. Some were bound to have more power than others and they used it. Or maybe those who are pro reparations for stuff from over 100 years ago should stop using the fruits of colonialism in order to rightfully receive the reparations!
@@Hardcore_RemixerWhat are you talking about? Fruits of colonialism. Brother, they were kidnapped not contract labourers. Furthermore, I’m trying to understand what you think they inherited so??? That could serve as compensation for the free labour. You don’t even know Caribbean history, go read a book man!
The monarchy was around far longer than its colonial history and may I add slavery was practised by their (Barbados) ancestors for even longer. So don't lump the Monarchy in with slavery and colonialism and nothing else. It's lazy and short sighted
How is the monarchy having existed long before colonialism relevant at all? The monarchy was forced upon them when they were first colonized. The British royal family existing before that means quite literally nothing and doesn't refute their reasoning for wanting to rid themselves of ties to the monarchy at all. Also how is it short sighted?
@xkan395 I have no issue with countries abandoning the monarchy and becoming a Republic. Good for them. They wouldn't have a country without said Monarchy, so whether they like it or not, its a part of their history. The same way the Monarchy is part of Britain's history and has been highly influential throughout. To poo poo the institution as just a calling card for colonialism and slavery is wrong. Their contributions far exceed these dimensions and that shouldn't be forgotten.
@@xkan395 the monarchy was not forced upon any Commonwealth realm when they became independent, that’s the thing. Every current realm made the active choice to keep the monarchy when becoming independent from the UK
@@LordDim1 it was forced upon them when they were colonized. Do you think without being colonized they would have ever willingly joined the monarchy? They do have the free choice to leave now and that's what some former colonies are choosing to do. the commonwealth won't continue to exist decades into the future.
Even despite the undereducated people in these comments I still think the monarchy, Is better than the republic for us Bahamians. It is a more stable model which we have used for 100 years+, in comparison to our neighbors who are republics, we’ve had a very peaceful political history with no coups or civil wars. We’ve been luck to have had a legislative body for 295 years (older than the US congress) Furthermore it would be smart to keep a special relationship with a power who is bigger and actually is close in relations with us. Especially one that doesn’t want to overthrow your government (America) Lastly becoming a republic doesn’t add anything to the democracy that exist in the Bahamas, it seems like a substance move that seems to entertain and elect another politician. When the job of the GG is one that isn’t required to be elected. P.S I think if we wanted to elect the GG, I think it’s not against the rules but appears nobody is “genius” enough to (especially in government) to care 😏
It’s always heartening to see fellow West Indians in these comment sections who realise that the monarchy is a good thing here in the Caribbean. Way to many people are buying into this nonsense that it’s some evil institution that’s somehow holding us back or making us less independent. Truth is we are fully independent, and the only thing the monarchy is is an extra blanket of security and guarantee of stability. Much rather the King and his GG than one of our useless politician clowns as head of state
The special relationship with Britain can still be maintained even without the King being their head of state, although it is maybe "less close" and symbolic. Barbados is doing pretty well iirc, and even though they're a republic now they enjoy a lot of cooperation with Britain and are still a member of the Commonwealth.
@@ad3l547 Because the monarchy does have power. The Governor-General, the King's representative, holds extensive constitutional powers including the power to dismiss and appoint the Prime Minister, dissolve or refuse to dissolve parliament, withhold assent to legislation, and appoint various important offices. For example, if ever a single party wins all parliament seats (hasn't happened in the Bahamas, but has in other Caribbean islands), the GG would have the power to independently appoint senators usually reserved for the opposition. The GG usually doesnt exercise these powers independently. The Crown's powers are exercised, on a day-to-day basis on the advice of the elected government. However, in times of crisis the Crown can act. For example if the PM tried to remain in office illegally, the GG can fire them. The GG of Australia did that in 1975. The King's role is to legitimise the Governor-General and keep them independent of the government
Are you dense? In order to abolish slavery, it had to have been created to begin with...which the British created in the Bahama's. - Hence the demand for apology and slavery reparations. 🤡
The British arrived in the Bahamas in 1629 and only abolished slavery in 1807. Do you think the fact that the British eventually stopped keeping slaves is more notable than the nearly two centuries of British slavery there?
@@Theorimlig And all the other people throughout history that made slavery? What about them? What about the African Chiefs and Kings who willingly sold their people into slavery to the Europeans in exchange for guns so that they could conquer more land and personally enrich themselves? And one more thing. If your grandpa is a murder and a r@pist, are you guilty for his actions? Should you apologise for him and go to jail too? Just because someone in your family did or was involved in something bad are you at fault too?
@@Theorimligonly? The first country to do so was in 1804, we were earlier then literally every other country and colonial power minus hati, which wasn’t a power nor recognised by anyone else at the time
This isn’t strictly true. The King directly holds little power, but his representative the Governor-General holds extensive reserve powers which can be used to re-establish stability, arbitrate during unclear parliamentary situations and force compliance with the constitution if necessary. The GG is a Bahamian citizen appointed by the King, who exercises the king’s constitutional duties there. The King’s role is ensuring the GG’s nonpartisanship and independence from party politics
Plenty will change. As a Republic the Bahamas will no longer receive developmental aid they currently receive. They will no longer be granted the protection of the Royal Navy and they lose a raft of trade deals which helps their export markets.
@@LordDim1 yep, the monarch does have quite a bit of power still but they don't use it, and it's not like they can abuse the power either, otherwise the people would abolish the monarchy. I like the monarchy for one reason in particular, it stops any one group getting too powerful, The government has power over the people with laws, taxes, etc; The monarchy has power over the government by being able to veto, or (this is a oversimplification) kick out the prime minister, etc; And the people have power over the monarchy by being able to have it abolished through a referendum.
@@lunkycultist5519 Exactly, and that is why the system works. The elected government governs, and the monarchy ensures the government remains in step with the constitution. The monarchy’s unelected nature again prevents the crown from taking partisan or unjustified political action, as it is kept I check by public opinion. It’s a beautiful triangle of mutual checks and balances. The system wouldn’t function as well in a republican system, as the president would be an elected figure and could claim democratic legitimacy to meddle far more in politics. They would also be partisan and have a vested interest in helping their own party, who likely secured them the post of president in the first place.
Do they get funds from U.K? or U. K don't give funds, if they do then that's clearing each debt by encouraging development and growth and a symbol of rebuilding what they have stolen.
The disaster was the British😂, now the Bahamas has the third highest GDP per capita of the entire region.❤🙏🏾 I think England is better off minding its own business and try to find ways to afford their NHS and maintain a proper PM post Brexit. 🤡 Currently, England is a total mess right now. Mind the business that pays you, the sun has finally set on the British Empire. 💯
@@George-mz8ct "The disaster was the British" OK! Hands off the fruits of colonialism then! No more electricity for you 😂 And England is a mess specifically because of the ill mentality of paying reparations for what happened over 100 years ago. Otherwise there would be no illegal immigrants to make the mess in the first place or they'd be used as 'forced cheap labor for low works'.
@@Fr3nchFlag No, you won't. You just go take oil or use CIA to install an enemy worth keeping the West united. Otherwise it's just simple business. That's how it's been for a long while.
Lets be honest, like many nations, they never should have been colonised, never should have had slaves bought and shipped over there, the entire nations exist because of slavery and whilst that colonial power still remains looming overhead, you're never going to feel truly free from it. Before defending keeping then under Britain first ask yourself "would this argument still work if we were talking about the US" (were they still a part of it), if no, then you can see the point... Having your own sovereignty to make your economy prosper or fail is entirely your prerogative. It's not the place of other countries to decide whether they would be better with or without, it's the right of the people that make up that country. Let them decide and support whatever their vote says. Many nations have remained until now despite the dwindling significance of the UK on the global sphere (often largely due to a Tory government but that's another story). If we valued their opinion when they choose to stay, we should value it when they choose to leave.
There will be no apology and definitely no money to those grifters. No crime was committed or wrong committed which requires an apology. If they want a republic they are free to do so. They will just lose the protections and money they currently receive.
As a brit, id rather if they stayed but its there choice, not mine, but regardless of my opinion, whats the actual point in leaving? For more self determination? Fine, but its only self determination by name, changing into a republic wont actually change anything about the county or for its people besides a slight vanity difference. Like i said, its there choice but it seems like an absolute waste of time, there are bigger problems to be dealing with at the moment than "do we want a different design on our dollar". Not saying they should never get rid of it. if they dont want a monarch, cool, no hard feelings, but theres a better time to be having this conversation after some of the more pressing problems have been solved or at least being solved.
The UK is just England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The UK government also has power over several extra British overseas territories and crown dependencies like the isle of man, Gibraltar, the Cayman islands, Bermuda etc. Thse places aren't formally in the UK and have a lot of autonomy, but can still be ruled by the British government for things like defense. The Bahamas are not in the UK or a British overseas territory or crown dependency, they are a commonwealth realm, which basically just means the queen is the head of state represented by a governor general. In practice this doesn't mean much because the queen and governor general are very reluctant to use their powers so it's mainly just a ceremonial thing. Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Jamaica are all examples of commonwealth realms, but they're all obviously independent countries.
Because they absolutely adore the UK and the West as a whole deep down! They hate us cos they ain't us, that's what I say. The W in West stands for Winners lol
Lmao, there are more Brit’s in the Bahamas proportionately speaking than Bahamians in Britain. Also nobody hates the UK, the only thing people hate is the attitude you’re giving.
Of course there's an issue surrounding slavery... Here's a better idea, why don't all of these reparations groups focus on tackling modern slavery instead? Make better use of your time in tackling the real issue that people are being subjected to right now rather than something that the British Empire abolished over 200 years ago and actively got into debt to in an effort to end it worldwide.
Let them do the referendum or just about up talking about abolishing the monarchy without doing anything... And they eere happy under the reign of HMQE II but now time to change??? What changed??? Such absurdity ....
@@Emerald_Forge that’s funny because they aren’t based in Israel yet they portray to cover them ad nauseam. They are projecting a biased opinion not covering a topic objectively.
@@archyarchfiendx2938…it’s a series on commonwealth countries. They’ve done it before on govt fights, alliances, borders, etc. It’s a news org. They cover lots.
@@archyarchfiendx2938 The UK is having massive Israeli and Palestine protest, some of them easily in the top 10 or 5 biggest in its history, not to mention the UK is directly involved with Israel historically and contemporarily. Who would've thought acting no better than a terrorist organisation would make them political pariahs.
@@YannisKarageorgiou Culturally, sure, but then so are Bermuda and Guyana. I just meant geographically. A more accurate term and one used in the region is “West Indian”.
You do realize the GDP per capita of the Bahama's is the third highest in the entire Latin American/Caribbean region? Trust, they do not need money from the UK. The UK can barely afford their NHS post Brexit, let alone financially support the Commonwealth. 🤡
What money do they get from having queen as head of state?? Also, the bahaman economy is based upon tourism, which will not go away upon becoming republic. I'm not even sure if most tourists there know it is part of the commonwealth.
I recently bought a lighter cause of your videos! It’s an old, never fired Willow automatic and apparently from the markings on it was commissioned for a Freemason organisation in my state
You clearly know nothing about why Haiti ended up the way it was. Haiti fought for is own independence and was then isolated and embargoed for decades until it was forced to agree to pay France reparations so costly the country was forced into bankruptcy over and over. If Haiti had just been left alone from the beginning, it would be fine.
The Bahamas is the same Canada, Australia and New Zealand. They already do most of their own governance. They even became a Commonwealth realm 9 years before Canada.
@@c.w.k.n.5117 there's a specials song that talks about the uk but fits the situation in hati perfectly. It's called 'Embarrassed by you'. Hope things improve though
If america does become a republic then I bet in 200 years time there gonna be a gun problem with a obesity problem and invade the middle east a couple of times.
Outside of England, every area, should remove the fact, that England´s head of state. is their own boss, too! Inside England, this situation is "different ball game"!
All this just when he has returned back to work! He is working tirelessly night and day! How can they survive without him? He works harder than any working Brit!!!
And become yet another boring republic 😂 No thanks. The benefits of having a monarchy far outweigh the negatives, and other those clueless on this subject disagree. Or disagree for the sake of it 🤷🏼♂️ Either way, Britain is better with a monarchy
@@adamfoofightersand the democratically elected govt is doing so well 😂 Also, the monarchy is one of the largest renters in the UK and has immense personal private wealth that it gives the government access to. I’d prefer to have those resources remain attached to the wellbeing of the nation rather than the Royals just becoming another greedy elite family looking for ways to fuck me out of my after-tax income.
@@adamfoofighters I don't fancy listing every benefit the monarchy provides our country, it would be easier to list the negatives, of which there are few. But the British Monarchy is the most prestigious in the world, it gives us a lot of political sway and without it, the UK would be, as I said, just another boring republic. And then there's the cashflow which our monarchy provides, tons and tons of it, way more than they take out despite the popular contrary belief that our royals are leeches (they're factually not). Why get rid of the monarch when they provide our country with such benefit? The sheer history and tradition alone should be enough for British people to want their stay. Those who want rid are either clueless, not British or hate us and want us to become, dare I say it again, another boring republic lol ( :
How is he evil? I don’t blame them for wanting out, I’m surprised they aren’t out already if I’m being completely honest. But how’s king sausage fingers evil?
The "As a republican, what statement do you align with the most" graph has a total percentage of 116
People were probably allowed to pick multiple options
@@TehNSF not how that works
@@thesteampunkmachine9077it depends on how the survey is worded. If its "select all that apply to you" or something along those lines then yes thats how it works. For example if you have 10 people.
"Do you prefer cats or dogs" the total would be 100%, say 40% cat, 60% dog
"Which pets would you like to own, select all that apply: cats, dogs, fish, birds" you can end up with
Cat 40%
Dog 60%
Fish 20%
Bird 30%
If you incorrectly add up the percentages you will wrongly get 150% because you are looking at the data in the wrong way
Since "monarchy is wrong and should be replaced on principle" and "should never have been involved in the past" are not mutually exclusive im assuming people voted both and thats why its over 100%
@@thesteampunkmachine9077yes how that works.
We have a national reparations committee?
I wonder about these discussions, if a republic was part of the colonial past, would these countries want to become a monarchy to separate from the past?
I don't have much issue with keeping the monarchy. It will be more stable than the mess of politics we have locally.
France. France is the example here, and the past colonies became republics (besides the CAR who did a little trolling for a bit). The "monarchy is bad because slavery" doesn't hold. I don't see anyone in West, North and Central Africa saying that republicanism is bad because the French Republic(s) exploited their people.
As a Canadian, I think being commonwealth nation with a constitution monarch as head of state is better than the alternative. It makes consolidation of power more difficult which is a way to make authoritarian governments more challenging to occur
@@maclain728I concur. These politicians be playing games with us.
@@maclain728 no consolidation of power? What do you think a monarch is anyways? While the commonwealth is no longer an absolute monarchy, it was based in one and now is only a figurehead with little to no political power (basically even if they wanted to they can't use it). So I don't see how your point stands to be honest. You're only adding or removing another layer of privileged class with little to no value to the current systems in place.
@@VictorPerez-vu1fo The idea that the monarchy, especially throughout the Commonwealth, is completely ceremonial and plays no purpose is simply wrong. There are numerous concrete examples of the exercise of royal powers in recent times.
In 1975 the Governor-General (Monarch’s representative) of Australia dismissed Prime Minister Gough Whitlam after he tried to stay in office after his budget was defeated in parliament, in contravention of Westminster principles. In 2013 the Governor-General of Tuvalu dismissed the Prime Minister after he tried to prevent parliament from sitting to hold a vote of no confidence after he lost his majority in a by-election. The case of Tuvalu is especially interesting because the Queen was personally involved, because the PM called her and told her to dismiss the GG, in an effort to prevent his own dismissal. The Queen refused.
In 1999, 2013 and 2018 a single party won all the parliamentary seats in Grenada, meaning there was no elected opposition. The Governor-General then stepped in, deciding to appoint members of the defeated opposition to the Senate, to provide some form of parliamentary opposition to the government. In Grenada the Governor-General is also personally responsible for directly appointing the Supervisor of Elections. As such, the Crown is the authority directly overseeing elections, completely separately from the government.
In Canada in 2008 the Governor-General stepped in during a government crisis when the Conservative Harper government was being faced with defeat on a no confidence vote in parliament. Harper asked the GG to prorogue (suspend) parliament for 2 months to prevent the motion from taking place. The GG refused, giving him only 3 weeks on the condition a confidence vote be held when parliament resumed.
The monarch’s role in this is removed, but still important, because it is the King who appoints the Governor-General and ensures their party-political independence and neutrality. While GGs are formally appointed on the advice of the relevant realm’s Prime Minister, the monarch has a lot of influence in the process, as shown just weeks ago in Australia. The PM reportedly wanted his indigenous affairs minister Linda Burney to become GG. The King supposedly rejected her as unsuitable on account of partisanship, during the informal “consultation” phase, which comes before formal advice.
asking for reperations is wild
So you think slavery was just fine and dandy?
@blondsquirrel4739 dumb question. but asking people to pay a group of people money because of something that they never went through or have ever been effected by. i can 100% tell you there's not a black person in america that knows what it was like being a slave nor r they affected by anything that happened then. playing victim for something that didnt happen to them and isnt affecting them and asking for compensation for it is absolutely fn wild.
Yeah… as an ex orphan in Zimbabwe I can honestly swear that Zimbabwe hates Britain they taught me that in 1984-1988 when they falanga’ed me and told me to go back from where I came from. I was a small kid they taught me pain and true racism… miss Little, Winnie, Gloria, Mrs terriboy and Mrs Mpofu they told me to go back… irony is the orphanage I was in was called Queen Elizabeth ll Adventist children’s home Bulawayo
Yeah Zimbabwe is terrible since 1980. Its rightful name is Rhodesia Zimbabwe
@@historiamilitaris5161 1980 it was Zimbabwe they don’t like the Rhodesia history and I paid for the period of time before I was born. Its evils were laid on my 6 year old feet. They made sure I’d never forget.
Hardly anyone in the Bahamas supports that type of racism. We don’t hate the UK (most of the Caribbean doesn’t) we just expect respect.
We plenty of white Bahamians and even Brits living here.
Of course nobody over here is a Rhodesia supporter. However Zimbabwe is a tragedy of Ethno-Nationalism and it’s effects when taken to extreme.
@@brigittescott2438 rather Rhodesia than that parody called Zimbabwe ruined by commies.
@@natenae8635 Rhodesia was better, it’s as simple as that
I mean it’s fine if that’s what they want however that does then mean our Royal Navy shouldn’t be helping them during every single hurricane season and patrolling there waters preventing drug smuggling or our army training there officers and NCOs
Yes, it does, and they signed other alliances, but with that logic, Joe biden should be your president or don't ask for help and get out of nato
The British occupied, enslaved and profiteered there for nearly two hundred years.
Again I don’t understand why you people are so ruffled. We ask for compensation and you throw a tantrum.
Your the same people who forget who sent you food during the war when the Nazis were trying to starve you out and sent our metal scraps and literal rail way tracks to be melted for weaponry.
@@Theorimlig And? Wanna bring back those times? If you don't want to bring back the 'old management' then UK owes them nothing.
Back then when conquering was a normal thing nobody would have minded taking more land, resources and work force. Some were bound to have more power than others and they used it. Or maybe those who are pro reparations for stuff from over 100 years ago should stop using the fruits of colonialism in order to rightfully receive the reparations!
@@Hardcore_RemixerWhat are you talking about? Fruits of colonialism.
Brother, they were kidnapped not contract labourers. Furthermore, I’m trying to understand what you think they inherited so???
That could serve as compensation for the free labour. You don’t even know Caribbean history, go read a book man!
This comment section is braindead.
I am sure you're the smartest person you know.
absolutely
The monarchy was around far longer than its colonial history and may I add slavery was practised by their (Barbados) ancestors for even longer. So don't lump the Monarchy in with slavery and colonialism and nothing else. It's lazy and short sighted
How is the monarchy having existed long before colonialism relevant at all? The monarchy was forced upon them when they were first colonized. The British royal family existing before that means quite literally nothing and doesn't refute their reasoning for wanting to rid themselves of ties to the monarchy at all. Also how is it short sighted?
@xkan395 I have no issue with countries abandoning the monarchy and becoming a Republic. Good for them. They wouldn't have a country without said Monarchy, so whether they like it or not, its a part of their history. The same way the Monarchy is part of Britain's history and has been highly influential throughout. To poo poo the institution as just a calling card for colonialism and slavery is wrong. Their contributions far exceed these dimensions and that shouldn't be forgotten.
@@xkan395 the monarchy was not forced upon any Commonwealth realm when they became independent, that’s the thing. Every current realm made the active choice to keep the monarchy when becoming independent from the UK
@@LordDim1 it was forced upon them when they were colonized. Do you think without being colonized they would have ever willingly joined the monarchy?
They do have the free choice to leave now and that's what some former colonies are choosing to do. the commonwealth won't continue to exist decades into the future.
@@liyanheart6241 Which contributions? British colonialism quite literally created a slave society in barbados that existed for centuries.
Even despite the undereducated people in these comments I still think the monarchy, Is better than the republic for us Bahamians.
It is a more stable model which we have used for 100 years+, in comparison to our neighbors who are republics, we’ve had a very peaceful political history with no coups or civil wars. We’ve been luck to have had a legislative body for 295 years (older than the US congress)
Furthermore it would be smart to keep a special relationship with a power who is bigger and actually is close in relations with us. Especially one that doesn’t want to overthrow your government (America)
Lastly becoming a republic doesn’t add anything to the democracy that exist in the Bahamas, it seems like a substance move that seems to entertain and elect another politician.
When the job of the GG is one that isn’t required to be elected.
P.S I think if we wanted to elect the GG, I think it’s not against the rules but appears nobody is “genius” enough to (especially in government) to care 😏
It’s always heartening to see fellow West Indians in these comment sections who realise that the monarchy is a good thing here in the Caribbean. Way to many people are buying into this nonsense that it’s some evil institution that’s somehow holding us back or making us less independent. Truth is we are fully independent, and the only thing the monarchy is is an extra blanket of security and guarantee of stability. Much rather the King and his GG than one of our useless politician clowns as head of state
The special relationship with Britain can still be maintained even without the King being their head of state, although it is maybe "less close" and symbolic. Barbados is doing pretty well iirc, and even though they're a republic now they enjoy a lot of cooperation with Britain and are still a member of the Commonwealth.
Hey I'm curious, how does the monarchy Can stabilize the country when they have no power ?
@@ad3l547 Because the monarchy does have power. The Governor-General, the King's representative, holds extensive constitutional powers including the power to dismiss and appoint the Prime Minister, dissolve or refuse to dissolve parliament, withhold assent to legislation, and appoint various important offices. For example, if ever a single party wins all parliament seats (hasn't happened in the Bahamas, but has in other Caribbean islands), the GG would have the power to independently appoint senators usually reserved for the opposition.
The GG usually doesnt exercise these powers independently. The Crown's powers are exercised, on a day-to-day basis on the advice of the elected government. However, in times of crisis the Crown can act. For example if the PM tried to remain in office illegally, the GG can fire them. The GG of Australia did that in 1975. The King's role is to legitimise the Governor-General and keep them independent of the government
This is definitely outdated because the Queen died 2 years ago
Lets wait until they have a referendum result. If they leave they get £0.
They'll leave because Britain won't give them reparations anyway. Plus, I'm not sure many counties want the memory of slavery in their future.
The Bahamas should join the US.
no, The US should join the Bahamas
Don’t think the people of the Bahamas would want school shooters and involved in wars they started.
Apologise for abolishing slavery? No good deed goes unpunished.
Are you dense? In order to abolish slavery, it had to have been created to begin with...which the British created in the Bahama's. - Hence the demand for apology and slavery reparations. 🤡
The British arrived in the Bahamas in 1629 and only abolished slavery in 1807. Do you think the fact that the British eventually stopped keeping slaves is more notable than the nearly two centuries of British slavery there?
No provide compensation for the free labour. That’s all
@@Theorimlig And all the other people throughout history that made slavery? What about them? What about the African Chiefs and Kings who willingly sold their people into slavery to the Europeans in exchange for guns so that they could conquer more land and personally enrich themselves? And one more thing. If your grandpa is a murder and a r@pist, are you guilty for his actions? Should you apologise for him and go to jail too? Just because someone in your family did or was involved in something bad are you at fault too?
@@Theorimligonly? The first country to do so was in 1804, we were earlier then literally every other country and colonial power minus hati, which wasn’t a power nor recognised by anyone else at the time
Why is this even matter? The king holds no power at all. I mean nothing will change
This isn’t strictly true. The King directly holds little power, but his representative the Governor-General holds extensive reserve powers which can be used to re-establish stability, arbitrate during unclear parliamentary situations and force compliance with the constitution if necessary. The GG is a Bahamian citizen appointed by the King, who exercises the king’s constitutional duties there. The King’s role is ensuring the GG’s nonpartisanship and independence from party politics
Plenty will change. As a Republic the Bahamas will no longer receive developmental aid they currently receive. They will no longer be granted the protection of the Royal Navy and they lose a raft of trade deals which helps their export markets.
@@LordDim1 yep, the monarch does have quite a bit of power still but they don't use it, and it's not like they can abuse the power either, otherwise the people would abolish the monarchy.
I like the monarchy for one reason in particular, it stops any one group getting too powerful,
The government has power over the people with laws, taxes, etc;
The monarchy has power over the government by being able to veto, or (this is a oversimplification) kick out the prime minister, etc;
And the people have power over the monarchy by being able to have it abolished through a referendum.
@@lunkycultist5519 Exactly, and that is why the system works. The elected government governs, and the monarchy ensures the government remains in step with the constitution. The monarchy’s unelected nature again prevents the crown from taking partisan or unjustified political action, as it is kept I check by public opinion. It’s a beautiful triangle of mutual checks and balances. The system wouldn’t function as well in a republican system, as the president would be an elected figure and could claim democratic legitimacy to meddle far more in politics. They would also be partisan and have a vested interest in helping their own party, who likely secured them the post of president in the first place.
God save the King!
Do they get funds from U.K? or U. K don't give funds, if they do then that's clearing each debt by encouraging development and growth and a symbol of rebuilding what they have stolen.
When they do piss off and there's a disaster hope they don't expect money from England 💯🇬🇧
Nobody wants that terroist money
The disaster was the British😂, now the Bahamas has the third highest GDP per capita of the entire region.❤🙏🏾
I think England is better off minding its own business and try to find ways to afford their NHS and maintain a proper PM post Brexit. 🤡
Currently, England is a total mess right now.
Mind the business that pays you, the sun has finally set on the British Empire. 💯
Wow you English (some of you) are a shallow bunch. Weren’t you extracting money from everyone for like 200 years. 😂
@@George-mz8ct "The disaster was the British"
OK! Hands off the fruits of colonialism then! No more electricity for you 😂
And England is a mess specifically because of the ill mentality of paying reparations for what happened over 100 years ago. Otherwise there would be no illegal immigrants to make the mess in the first place or they'd be used as 'forced cheap labor for low works'.
@@Fr3nchFlag No, you won't. You just go take oil or use CIA to install an enemy worth keeping the West united. Otherwise it's just simple business. That's how it's been for a long while.
Lets be honest, like many nations, they never should have been colonised, never should have had slaves bought and shipped over there, the entire nations exist because of slavery and whilst that colonial power still remains looming overhead, you're never going to feel truly free from it. Before defending keeping then under Britain first ask yourself "would this argument still work if we were talking about the US" (were they still a part of it), if no, then you can see the point... Having your own sovereignty to make your economy prosper or fail is entirely your prerogative. It's not the place of other countries to decide whether they would be better with or without, it's the right of the people that make up that country. Let them decide and support whatever their vote says. Many nations have remained until now despite the dwindling significance of the UK on the global sphere (often largely due to a Tory government but that's another story). If we valued their opinion when they choose to stay, we should value it when they choose to leave.
We demand reparations for things that our generation never suffered through. Always the funniest joke.
Ditch the monarchy!
I wonder if there were an official apology and reparations would Bahamians reconsider ditching the monarchy.
There will be no apology and definitely no money to those grifters. No crime was committed or wrong committed which requires an apology.
If they want a republic they are free to do so. They will just lose the protections and money they currently receive.
The government would just find something new to blame the monarchy on
The Bahamian Revolution😂 (no hate just a joke)
As a brit, id rather if they stayed but its there choice, not mine, but regardless of my opinion, whats the actual point in leaving?
For more self determination? Fine, but its only self determination by name, changing into a republic wont actually change anything about the county or for its people besides a slight vanity difference.
Like i said, its there choice but it seems like an absolute waste of time, there are bigger problems to be dealing with at the moment than "do we want a different design on our dollar".
Not saying they should never get rid of it. if they dont want a monarch, cool, no hard feelings, but theres a better time to be having this conversation after some of the more pressing problems have been solved or at least being solved.
they get to have an actual elected head of state,from their country
Wait, the Queen died???
What happened??
Yeah, in 2022. She was old and she died. That's it, really.
Yeah Freddie mercury from queen also dead 😢
U been living under a rock?
Paul Chuckle died the other day too, rip
The problem with republics and presidents is that you risk having someone like Trump being elected to president.
uh no, that's the issue with the electoral college and first-past the post system.
So we should just have one tyrant for life you cant vote out, got it
What they doing in the uk if they hate it so much
It’s the commonwealth not the uk 😂
The UK is just England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The UK government also has power over several extra British overseas territories and crown dependencies like the isle of man, Gibraltar, the Cayman islands, Bermuda etc. Thse places aren't formally in the UK and have a lot of autonomy, but can still be ruled by the British government for things like defense.
The Bahamas are not in the UK or a British overseas territory or crown dependency, they are a commonwealth realm, which basically just means the queen is the head of state represented by a governor general. In practice this doesn't mean much because the queen and governor general are very reluctant to use their powers so it's mainly just a ceremonial thing. Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Jamaica are all examples of commonwealth realms, but they're all obviously independent countries.
@@RealUlrichLeland I think the OP meant "why are they working/moving to the UK?", as a fatecious argument.
Because they absolutely adore the UK and the West as a whole deep down! They hate us cos they ain't us, that's what I say. The W in West stands for Winners lol
Lmao, there are more Brit’s in the Bahamas proportionately speaking than Bahamians in Britain.
Also nobody hates the UK, the only thing people hate is the attitude you’re giving.
Meaningless posturing.
Ironically building mosques in it's stead
Barely any Bahamian Muslims
Good on them, the queen never turned up
Of course there's an issue surrounding slavery... Here's a better idea, why don't all of these reparations groups focus on tackling modern slavery instead?
Make better use of your time in tackling the real issue that people are being subjected to right now rather than something that the British Empire abolished over 200 years ago and actively got into debt to in an effort to end it worldwide.
Why not both?
Let them do the referendum or just about up talking about abolishing the monarchy without doing anything...
And they eere happy under the reign of HMQE II but now time to change??? What changed??? Such absurdity ....
Why is tldr obsessed with the monarchy
Because they're based in the UK? If American territories like American Samoa or Puerto rico wanted to leave American media would probably cover it
@@Emerald_Forge that’s funny because they aren’t based in Israel yet they portray to cover them ad nauseam. They are projecting a biased opinion not covering a topic objectively.
@@archyarchfiendx2938…it’s a series on commonwealth countries. They’ve done it before on govt fights, alliances, borders, etc. It’s a news org. They cover lots.
@@ad_astra5 if you say so
@@archyarchfiendx2938
The UK is having massive Israeli and Palestine protest, some of them easily in the top 10 or 5 biggest in its history, not to mention the UK is directly involved with Israel historically and contemporarily.
Who would've thought acting no better than a terrorist organisation would make them political pariahs.
The Bahamas is not in the Caribbean.
I lived there a long while even the Romioi living there think they're Caribbean.
@@YannisKarageorgiou Culturally, sure, but then so are Bermuda and Guyana. I just meant geographically. A more accurate term and one used in the region is “West Indian”.
@@tc2334 If they'll let people from Belize and Barbados join CARICOM might as well
what?? it's literally right there
Why do you keep going on about pro republic and getting rid of the monarchy!
it's the news. it's popular in bahamas.
Is TLDR promoting an agenda??
No? The past 4 videos they made on this all covered pro monarchy countries
@@queen_simp3273 damned if you do damned if you don't.
Yes, they are.
That agenda is informing people about the news reliably and informatively.
Lmfao let them go imagine no money for them soon be crying 😭
You do realize the GDP per capita of the Bahama's is the third highest in the entire Latin American/Caribbean region? Trust, they do not need money from the UK.
The UK can barely afford their NHS post Brexit, let alone financially support the Commonwealth. 🤡
What money do they get from having queen as head of state??
Also, the bahaman economy is based upon tourism, which will not go away upon becoming republic. I'm not even sure if most tourists there know it is part of the commonwealth.
I recently bought a lighter cause of your videos! It’s an old, never fired Willow automatic and apparently from the markings on it was commissioned for a Freemason organisation in my state
Are they able to govern themselves, or will they turn out like Haiti?
You clearly know nothing about why Haiti ended up the way it was. Haiti fought for is own independence and was then isolated and embargoed for decades until it was forced to agree to pay France reparations so costly the country was forced into bankruptcy over and over. If Haiti had just been left alone from the beginning, it would be fine.
@@c.w.k.n.5117 So... Will something similar happen to the Bahamas?
The Bahamas is the same Canada, Australia and New Zealand. They already do most of their own governance. They even became a Commonwealth realm 9 years before Canada.
@@c.w.k.n.5117 there's a specials song that talks about the uk but fits the situation in hati perfectly.
It's called 'Embarrassed by you'.
Hope things improve though
@phoque121 No it's a totally different situation, they won't be embargoed or forced to pay reparations.
I heard that America wants to become a republic in 1776 can do a video on that
If america does become a republic then I bet in 200 years time there gonna be a gun problem with a obesity problem and invade the middle east a couple of times.
Outside of England, every area, should remove the fact, that England´s head of state. is their own boss, too!
Inside England, this situation is "different ball game"!
Ditch the monarch
you should get a low taper fade
Na, a mullet with a handle bar mustache
theyre a legacy of colonialism, shouldnt they get rid of themselves then?
what? theyre people, not sure what you mean
All this just when he has returned back to work! He is working tirelessly night and day! How can they survive without him? He works harder than any working Brit!!!
Even if he were the hardest working Brit, this video is talking about the Bahamas
clearly you havent talked to any blue-collar worker
@@davidthewhale7556 I knew that. But that was the news on this day. Charles returning to work, thus why I said it
Abolish the monarchy
And become yet another boring republic 😂 No thanks. The benefits of having a monarchy far outweigh the negatives, and other those clueless on this subject disagree. Or disagree for the sake of it 🤷🏼♂️ Either way, Britain is better with a monarchy
@@reesey8676 we already have a democratic government, what need of a monarchy is there exactly, oh wise one...
@@adamfoofightersand the democratically elected govt is doing so well 😂
Also, the monarchy is one of the largest renters in the UK and has immense personal private wealth that it gives the government access to. I’d prefer to have those resources remain attached to the wellbeing of the nation rather than the Royals just becoming another greedy elite family looking for ways to fuck me out of my after-tax income.
@@adamfoofighters I don't fancy listing every benefit the monarchy provides our country, it would be easier to list the negatives, of which there are few. But the British Monarchy is the most prestigious in the world, it gives us a lot of political sway and without it, the UK would be, as I said, just another boring republic. And then there's the cashflow which our monarchy provides, tons and tons of it, way more than they take out despite the popular contrary belief that our royals are leeches (they're factually not). Why get rid of the monarch when they provide our country with such benefit? The sheer history and tradition alone should be enough for British people to want their stay. Those who want rid are either clueless, not British or hate us and want us to become, dare I say it again, another boring republic lol ( :
@reesey8676 well you're fucking clueless 🤣
Hes evil. Dont blame them.
How is he evil?
I don’t blame them for wanting out, I’m surprised they aren’t out already if I’m being completely honest. But how’s king sausage fingers evil?
how is he evil he's just reporting the news 😭😭