I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon.
I'm a Lutheran and this is the first time I've heard this explanation about purgatory. Many Catholics appeal to II Maccabees to justify this doctrine. You make the case in 1 Corinthians and it gave me something new to think about. In these passages you know the Protestant understanding, but for me you get points for defending the argument in the text of 1 Corinthians instead of 2 Maccabees.
Thank you for explaining this. I left the Catholic years many years ago but after following your channel along with some others to better understand what I was taught as a child, I have felt drawn to return.
I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. You should look into Eastern Orthodoxy 🙂
The concept of purgatory is rooted in Judaism. Chabad/Hassids for example describes purgatory as a washing machine where one is purified and made holy before entering into Sheol to await the Messiah who will open heaven. When a soul enters the realm of the dead, it either sinks down into the hell of the damned or it floats up as it purifies and eventually enters Sheol. Sheol is the limbo of the patriarchs aka Abraham's bosom. Recall Jonah, he entered Sheol as a righteous person for 3 days. It is the upper compartment of the realm of the dead. For christians Christ has already opened heaven, when we die and receive judgement we either go directly to heaven in the case of Saints or we go to purgatory to be purified before entering heaven or we go to hell.
I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
Continue to seek the truth in your journey! I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
This definition was excellent to help me, new to Catholicism, understand as well as the verses that I can find to explain it. And to share with others I'm trying to help to understand Catholic Christian ideas. Thank you for all your videos, they are excellent.
You should look into Eastern Orthodoxy. I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon.
I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
Continue your research! I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
2 Corinthians St.Paul talks about "Paradise" being a "3rd heaven", what does that really mean? It would make for an interesting video. Great vid my brother you're doing the Lords work
Hi, I watched your video with much interest, thanks for posting. I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
Could you kindly translate those different translations in English for those who do not know the classic language please? I would like to understand what you replies, but can't. Thank you.
It is about both. Every verse in scripture speaks to several scales of reality (interior, personal, communal, intercommunal, & cosmic) & many scriptures speak both on matters of doctrine & morality, but also descriptive of patterns of reality.
I one time went to my friend protestant Church, and i went to like a bible talk, and this man said that we Catholic believe that Jesus died on the cross half for our sins and the other half we pay it at purgatory and I had to call him out on that because I told him Catholic 100% believe Christ died on the cross for our sins. It's sad that protestant preach, not truth but lies, that will make them look like they are the way, but false preaching leads to wrong ways to Christ.
It sounds like it was just very poorly explained, probably because he dumbed it down too much to be accurate, and not being a Catholic - it is probably fuzzy at best on details likely learned years, perhaps decades ago. Protestants believe in being saved by faith alone (The five solas state that Christians are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, as revealed by Scripture alone, to the glory of God alone) Catholics believe in plenary indulgences, which cover temporal sin, So the HALF of sins Jesus covers in this analogy would be the original sin, and sins up until baptism. The other half would be sins committed after which have to be worked off in purgatory after death, or in this life as the church prescribes. Again, it is not a great analogy, but it is not a dishonest answer either. I think your words might be a bit harsh. That said, if he KNEW you were catholic, he was way out of line trying to tell you what catholics believe without first asking you, or putting his understanding in a question form for affirmation or rejection. If he wants do attempt that, it should probably be prefaced with, "From my understanding, etc.," and focus on how Catholics and protestants overlap and differ in ideology, rather than loose explanations that don't make sense without more context like here ^^^^
Hi there! I really liked the video, you explained purgatory in a much clearer way than I've heard before. And i have a question. In Luke 23:43, Jesus says to the criminal to the side of him on the cross - who very much deserves capital punishment, but believes that Jesus is Lord - 'Today you'll be with me in Paradise'. How does this fit with the idea of purgatory/sanctification?
As a Protestant who is extremely interested in the Roman Catholic Church I’m left at a stopping point when it comes to the doctrine of purgatory. And that is, is Jesus’s blood not enough to wash our sins? Is his blood not washing all sins away? Are so called impurities sins or something else entirely and if so what is it? Thanks!
I heard it explained onetime. Like a child who breaks a window. The act is forgiven and the child isn't punished, but you must still pay for the window. So we are stained by our sin. We've all sinned after our baptism most likely. Our sins are forgiven. Purgatory is the place the stains are removed before being allowed into heaven.
If that were the case, it would be no problem to sin at all: God forgave us, why bother? Jesus has payed for our sins, but we must be cooperators of this grace. It is a matter of fact that Christians sin despite Christ's grace. Even when we confess our sins with true repentance, we still have some attachment to the sinful things we are attracted to. The wounds of sin are healed by Confession, but the scars remain. We are lake Japanese vases that, by sinning, break into pieces. Jesus is the one who pastes the pieces back together when we confess... But the cracks remain and the case is still fragile and they may open at any time. Purgatory, and expiation in our lifetime, are a means to seal these cracks. Do you know the Japanese Kintsugi technique? Well, the principle is the same, filling the cracks with gold to make them vase more resistant and precious at the same time.
The Roman Church is a little off! I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
Sorry mate but purgatory is not biblical! Yes, nothing unclean may enter heaven but what has made us clean? It is by Christs death and resurrection by faith we believe and are justified and by confessing Christ is Lord and are saved. Yes God disciplines us but you are assuming that means after death. Nothing indicates that understanding except for the living. Lastly why do you make God remember our sins? Does not God say that I will not remember your sins? Yes he does, well then, those who believe and obey God are saved and made clean by his blood!
In your estimation, what happens to a believing Christian who dies the same day he committed rape? Even if he repented in the last second of his life, in what way is that person able to stand before God and how are they made clean from, clearly, in part, unclean? In Catholic theology, we have a logical and full understanding of how this happens (though Purgatory itself is still a bit mysterious). Many saints and mystics have seen or heard from souls in Purgatory. It is real, and we should all strive to not have to go! There is also purgatory implied by Jesus Himself. "If somebody ever says that Purgatory is foreign to Christianity and is just a "Catholic" thing, take them to Luke 12. For Jesus Himself speaks of it, saying, Peter said, “Lord, are you telling this parable for us or for all?” And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and wise steward, whom his master will set over his household, to give them their portion of food at the proper time? Blessed is that servant whom his master when he comes will find so doing. Truly, I tell you, he will set him over all his possessions. But if that servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed in coming,’ and begins to beat the menservants and the maidservants, and to eat and drink and get drunk, the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will punish him, and put him with the unfaithful. And that servant who knew his master’s will, but did not make ready or act according to his will, shall receive a severe beating. But he who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, shall receive a light beating. Every one to whom much is given, of him will much be required; and of him to whom men commit much they will demand the more. Jesus is speaking of how His final coming will be like a thief in the night. Those who are prepared for His coming will enter into eternal life. Now, if a thief was coming to your house, it’d be difficult to sleep, cause there’d be a certain level of anxiety about his arrival. Same is true for Jesus and His disciples. They cannot sleep and commit the deadly sin of sloth, but must keep doing good. To drive this point home, Jesus speaks of four different disciples and their outcomes. 1. The first is ready for the thief, because he is a servant of the master and does good work for Him consistently. Heaven is his end. 2. The next is someone who is a servant of God, the Master, but does evil. He becomes slothful in doing good work for the master and beats his servants and is glutinous in food and drink. So, the master will, to translate it literally, “cut him in pieces” or “dismember him,” implying death, and put him with the unfaithful (Hell). So far, these two options are typical of Jesus’ preaching. Such as his parable about the sheep and the goats. But, it gets more interesting from here. 3. The next servant is somebody who becomes slothful, but does not beat his servants. He does a less grievous in his laziness/unpreparedness in continuing in good works. He knows what he should be doing, but doesn’t do it. So, he gets a severe beating, and is not “cut in pieces” (dead). This man did not go to the extreme of beating his servants and committing gluttony. This is purgatory. 4. The final servant is somebody who does not know the will of the master who will come at an unexpected time. He does evil, but was not explicitly told by the master what to do. So, this man only receives a “light” beating. This also is purgatory. Thus, as we have seen, Jesus speaks of Purgatory. This is from Professor of Sacred Scripture, Dr. Brant Pitre." This is a very simple and quick explanation, much more could be said. Highly recommend Brant Pitre's work in books and all over youtube by the way. But to me in the fourth example you have Jesus even alluding to the hope that someone who did not know Jesus could be saved, as their culpability would afford them a different standard of judgment. Anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong to think that. Peace.
Skipping purgatory would mean that all of the temporal punishment due for your sins has already been paid for during your lifetime before you die, meaning you go straight to Heaven. 2 ways that ALL temporal punishment is remitted is by the sacrament of baptism (which can only be received once and only once), and by receiving a Plenary Indulgence. There are many different ways one can receive a plenary indulgence. You can look them up and see what they all are and see how to receive them 🙏🏽 There are also ways to chip away at your temporal punishment bits at a time. These ways are called partial indulgences. You can look these up as well! I hope this helps! 🙏🏽
@@VoiceOfReason_ As an Eastern Christian, we hold a similar view, but we may disagree on the finer points I read Ancient Catholic texts daily, thus I am convinced that the Eastern view is in line with the views of our Saints. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well. The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils! During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
Best get on the Jesus bus, folks. Time is running out. It will cost you nothing. Seriously....it will cost you nothing but you will gain everything. The gift of everlasting life.
If you know that a person you love will one day get healed from the illness afflicting him/her, wouldn't you still do all you can to reduce that person's suffering and to shorten the healing process by administering some form of medicine?
Does salvation mean that you go to purgatory and justified mean that you go to heaven? Because Ephesians 2:8-9 says that salvation is from faith as a gift from god and James 2:24 says that you’re justified by works and not faith alone
@@VoiceOfReason_ Ok, is it possible to go directly to heaven if you’re baptized, confirmed, have done communion and repents for sins or does everyone go to purgatory before?
@@VoiceOfReason_ ok thank you. Do you think you have to believe in papal infallibility to be a catholic? First one that believed it was Peter olivi in 13th century
We are made perfectly clean because of Jesus, not purgatory. His blood cleanses from all sins. Past, present, future. Born again christian cannot die in their sins because of Jesus's sacrifice that cleanses us You're underminig what Jesus has done on the cross. Terrible. I guess Jesus failed to mention baptism to Nicodemus, huh? Plus, we are not born again after we are baptized. What kind of christianity are you proclaiming? So many basic errors. It's terryfing.
This is a gross misuse of scripture. None of us is good. We enter heaven ONLY from the righteousness credited to us from Christ. There is no work we can do to "help" that. Sanctification has zero to do with eternal salvation. As a reault of being saved, you will be sanctified. There is no work that is considered good enough to help earn righteousness. Paul is CLEAR in that, as was Jesus.
James 2:24: ”You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.” Mark 16:16 ”Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” So you have to be baptized John 6:53: ““Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.” So you have to do communion/Eucharist and believe that it’s his body and blood, not just symbolic to have eternal life. Acts 8:14-17 talks about people that were baptized but didn’t receive the holy spirit so Peter and John laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit. It’s about confirmation And James 2:22 says that faith is completed by works.
Brother, when we do a good work is it not Christ working in & through us? By consenting to do the will of God are we not building up a greater habit of holiness? Are we then not becoming more like Christ? To become more like Christ is to become holier because Christ is Holy & to do good works for Christ’s Namesake is thus to be further sanctified (made holy).
Rome has had different definitions at different times. The Bible verses given do not indicate purgatory. Finally, indulgences (pieces of paper with a bunch of words) can subtract time from purgatory. So indulgences can do what Jesus sacrifice could not….don’t think so.
That is not what an indulgence is. I could be wrong but the time associated with each indulgenced act (such as 300 days) is not time shaved off from purgatory. The time is that that act when done in the proper state & disposition is equivalent of those amount of days of penance.
Thank you for being a Catholic defender.
This channel helps me to be a faithful catholic.
I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon.
I'm a Lutheran and this is the first time I've heard this explanation about purgatory. Many Catholics appeal to II Maccabees to justify this doctrine. You make the case in 1 Corinthians and it gave me something new to think about. In these passages you know the Protestant understanding, but for me you get points for defending the argument in the text of 1 Corinthians instead of 2 Maccabees.
Thank you for explaining this. I left the Catholic years many years ago but after following your channel along with some others to better understand what I was taught as a child, I have felt drawn to return.
God bless you. I’m always here if you have any questions. Know of my prayers for you in your journey returning home 🙏🏽
@@VoiceOfReason_ thank you. God bless.
I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. You should look into Eastern Orthodoxy 🙂
The concept of purgatory is rooted in Judaism. Chabad/Hassids for example describes purgatory as a washing machine where one is purified and made holy before entering into Sheol to await the Messiah who will open heaven. When a soul enters the realm of the dead, it either sinks down into the hell of the damned or it floats up as it purifies and eventually enters Sheol. Sheol is the limbo of the patriarchs aka Abraham's bosom. Recall Jonah, he entered Sheol as a righteous person for 3 days. It is the upper compartment of the realm of the dead. For christians Christ has already opened heaven, when we die and receive judgement we either go directly to heaven in the case of Saints or we go to purgatory to be purified before entering heaven or we go to hell.
I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
You mean gehinnom which lasts about 12 months
very good explanation, you helped me go from protestant to Catholic God bless you
Continue to seek the truth in your journey! I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
what is the difference in so confused
Amen!!now i understood what purgatory is..thank you😇☝🏾
God sanctifying us at baptism. And we are being cleansed by God in Purgatory. Temporal punishment. The foundation is indeed God.
Amen! 💯!
The best explanation i have seen thank you brother
This definition was excellent to help me, new to Catholicism, understand as well as the verses that I can find to explain it. And to share with others I'm trying to help to understand Catholic Christian ideas. Thank you for all your videos, they are excellent.
You should look into Eastern Orthodoxy. I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon.
You explain it so clear .. thank you 🙏
Amen🙏thank you for explaining it well and clear.. Thank you🙏
I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord
@@GeeRodd the Bible doesn’t say that 👀
I've never heard purgatory explained so clearly thanks a lot
That was a very clear description of purgatory thank you . I hope it helps those that watch this video.
ATB
I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
Your voice is so cool and deep and serious
Sometimes I picture Rambo or Rocky explaining the church when I watch these awesome videos
This is one of my favourite topics thank you
I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
Third + Amen
Thank you so much man I was just researching on that topic and now I see your vid
Continue your research! I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
Great stuff... God bless
2 Corinthians St.Paul talks about "Paradise" being a "3rd heaven", what does that really mean? It would make for an interesting video. Great vid my brother you're doing the Lords work
Hi, I watched your video with much interest, thanks for posting. I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
Could you kindly translate those different translations in English for those who do not know the classic language please? I would like to understand what you replies, but can't. Thank you.
Facts.
When Jesus is speaking, is it not about murder and anger so how does it correspond with purgatory?
It is about both. Every verse in scripture speaks to several scales of reality (interior, personal, communal, intercommunal, & cosmic) & many scriptures speak both on matters of doctrine & morality, but also descriptive of patterns of reality.
I one time went to my friend protestant Church, and i went to like a bible talk, and this man said that we Catholic believe that Jesus died on the cross half for our sins and the other half we pay it at purgatory and I had to call him out on that because I told him Catholic 100% believe Christ died on the cross for our sins. It's sad that protestant preach, not truth but lies, that will make them look like they are the way, but false preaching leads to wrong ways to Christ.
It sounds like it was just very poorly explained, probably because he dumbed it down too much to be accurate, and not being a Catholic - it is probably fuzzy at best on details likely learned years, perhaps decades ago.
Protestants believe in being saved by faith alone (The five solas state that Christians are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, as revealed by Scripture alone, to the glory of God alone)
Catholics believe in plenary indulgences, which cover temporal sin,
So the HALF of sins Jesus covers in this analogy would be the original sin, and sins up until baptism. The other half would be sins committed after which have to be worked off in purgatory after death, or in this life as the church prescribes.
Again, it is not a great analogy, but it is not a dishonest answer either. I think your words might be a bit harsh.
That said, if he KNEW you were catholic, he was way out of line trying to tell you what catholics believe without first asking you, or putting his understanding in a question form for affirmation or rejection.
If he wants do attempt that, it should probably be prefaced with, "From my understanding, etc.," and focus on how Catholics and protestants overlap and differ in ideology, rather than loose explanations that don't make sense without more context like here ^^^^
Thanks
If you can do another deeper take pleaee... i loved this but ill need more to conviced my girlfriend
Interesting topic. What do you think about all the private purgatory revelations from saints like St Faustina and St. Catherine of Genoa?
Thank you so much ! I always thought it was a place between Heaven and Hell. I heard a prayer about it in mass the other day and I was so confused 😅
Cool voice 😊
Thank you so much. 🙏
I know for a fact that Purgatory is a place. I have been skiing there ;-) (That was a joke.) Thanks for the great explanation!
Hi there! I really liked the video, you explained purgatory in a much clearer way than I've heard before. And i have a question. In Luke 23:43, Jesus says to the criminal to the side of him on the cross - who very much deserves capital punishment, but believes that Jesus is Lord - 'Today you'll be with me in Paradise'. How does this fit with the idea of purgatory/sanctification?
We havn't seen any new content from you in a while.....hope you're ok and look forward to getting some more of your knowlege downloads soon.
As a Protestant who is extremely interested in the Roman Catholic Church I’m left at a stopping point when it comes to the doctrine of purgatory. And that is, is Jesus’s blood not enough to wash our sins? Is his blood not washing all sins away? Are so called impurities sins or something else entirely and if so what is it? Thanks!
Yes but this process of washing our sins away is happening in purgatory, for those who die in a state of grace but still have attachment to sin.
Come back home Protestant
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I heard it explained onetime. Like a child who breaks a window. The act is forgiven and the child isn't punished, but you must still pay for the window.
So we are stained by our sin. We've all sinned after our baptism most likely. Our sins are forgiven. Purgatory is the place the stains are removed before being allowed into heaven.
If that were the case, it would be no problem to sin at all: God forgave us, why bother?
Jesus has payed for our sins, but we must be cooperators of this grace. It is a matter of fact that Christians sin despite Christ's grace. Even when we confess our sins with true repentance, we still have some attachment to the sinful things we are attracted to. The wounds of sin are healed by Confession, but the scars remain.
We are lake Japanese vases that, by sinning, break into pieces. Jesus is the one who pastes the pieces back together when we confess... But the cracks remain and the case is still fragile and they may open at any time. Purgatory, and expiation in our lifetime, are a means to seal these cracks. Do you know the Japanese Kintsugi technique? Well, the principle is the same, filling the cracks with gold to make them vase more resistant and precious at the same time.
The Roman Church is a little off! I am sorry to say, as one who reads Ancient texts daily. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
So it is the refining fire?
I’ve noticed your A Tribe Called Quest shirt and other band shirts. What are your thoughts on listening to secular music?
Could you do a video of the 10 commandments?
Good job
Purgatory is just Sheol which is divided into two sections Abrahams bosom and hades. But this is temporary until the judgment
tysm bro
This is why protestants argue with other protestants about once saved always saved 😅
Sorry mate but purgatory is not biblical! Yes, nothing unclean may enter heaven but what has made us clean? It is by Christs death and resurrection by faith we believe and are justified and by confessing Christ is Lord and are saved.
Yes God disciplines us but you are assuming that means after death. Nothing indicates that understanding except for the living.
Lastly why do you make God remember our sins? Does not God say that I will not remember your sins? Yes he does, well then, those who believe and obey God are saved and made clean by his blood!
God knows your sins, God knows all
@maancrusader yes, but God says that he will no longer remember or hold your sins against you. In Christ we have been washed clean by his blood.
@@danielhaas9469 purgatory is not holding sins against you
@maancrusader it must certainly is
In your estimation, what happens to a believing Christian who dies the same day he committed rape? Even if he repented in the last second of his life, in what way is that person able to stand before God and how are they made clean from, clearly, in part, unclean? In Catholic theology, we have a logical and full understanding of how this happens (though Purgatory itself is still a bit mysterious). Many saints and mystics have seen or heard from souls in Purgatory. It is real, and we should all strive to not have to go!
There is also purgatory implied by Jesus Himself.
"If somebody ever says that Purgatory is foreign to Christianity and is just a "Catholic" thing, take them to Luke 12. For Jesus Himself speaks of it, saying,
Peter said, “Lord, are you telling this parable for us or for all?” And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and wise steward, whom his master will set over his household, to give them their portion of food at the proper time? Blessed is that servant whom his master when he comes will find so doing. Truly, I tell you, he will set him over all his possessions. But if that servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed in coming,’ and begins to beat the menservants and the maidservants, and to eat and drink and get drunk, the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will punish him, and put him with the unfaithful. And that servant who knew his master’s will, but did not make ready or act according to his will, shall receive a severe beating. But he who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, shall receive a light beating. Every one to whom much is given, of him will much be required; and of him to whom men commit much they will demand the more.
Jesus is speaking of how His final coming will be like a thief in the night. Those who are prepared for His coming will enter into eternal life. Now, if a thief was coming to your house, it’d be difficult to sleep, cause there’d be a certain level of anxiety about his arrival. Same is true for Jesus and His disciples. They cannot sleep and commit the deadly sin of sloth, but must keep doing good. To drive this point home, Jesus speaks of four different disciples and their outcomes.
1. The first is ready for the thief, because he is a servant of the master and does good work for Him consistently. Heaven is his end.
2. The next is someone who is a servant of God, the Master, but does evil. He becomes slothful in doing good work for the master and beats his servants and is glutinous in food and drink. So, the master will, to translate it literally, “cut him in pieces” or “dismember him,” implying death, and put him with the unfaithful (Hell).
So far, these two options are typical of Jesus’ preaching. Such as his parable about the sheep and the goats. But, it gets more interesting from here.
3. The next servant is somebody who becomes slothful, but does not beat his servants. He does a less grievous in his laziness/unpreparedness in continuing in good works. He knows what he should be doing, but doesn’t do it. So, he gets a severe beating, and is not “cut in pieces” (dead). This man did not go to the extreme of beating his servants and committing gluttony. This is purgatory.
4. The final servant is somebody who does not know the will of the master who will come at an unexpected time. He does evil, but was not explicitly told by the master what to do. So, this man only receives a “light” beating. This also is purgatory.
Thus, as we have seen, Jesus speaks of Purgatory. This is from Professor of Sacred Scripture, Dr. Brant Pitre."
This is a very simple and quick explanation, much more could be said. Highly recommend Brant Pitre's work in books and all over youtube by the way. But to me in the fourth example you have Jesus even alluding to the hope that someone who did not know Jesus could be saved, as their culpability would afford them a different standard of judgment. Anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong to think that. Peace.
How can you skip purgatory? Do only saints skip purgatory?
Skipping purgatory would mean that all of the temporal punishment due for your sins has already been paid for during your lifetime before you die, meaning you go straight to Heaven.
2 ways that ALL temporal punishment is remitted is by the sacrament of baptism (which can only be received once and only once), and by receiving a Plenary Indulgence. There are many different ways one can receive a plenary indulgence. You can look them up and see what they all are and see how to receive them 🙏🏽
There are also ways to chip away at your temporal punishment bits at a time. These ways are called partial indulgences. You can look these up as well!
I hope this helps! 🙏🏽
@@VoiceOfReason_ thank you 🙏, also how do we know if our works are good (like gems) in the eyes of God or not?
@@VoiceOfReason_ As an Eastern Christian, we hold a similar view, but we may disagree on the finer points I read Ancient Catholic texts daily, thus I am convinced that the Eastern view is in line with the views of our Saints. I have noticed that Roman Catholicism is a little off from the original text. Not by much, but nevertheless, I believe via an empirical approach that the confusion lies with language and translation issues. As a speaker of multiple languages, I truly believe in the concept of loss in translation. The majority of bi-lingual people know this concept well.
The problem. lies in the West's lack of ability to fully understand Κοινή Ελληνική Koine Greek, the language of Septuagint Μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα, Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΔΙΑΘΗΚΗ/The New Testament, and Οικουμενικές Συνόδουςthe/Ecumenical Councils!
During my studies, I realized keywords in the original Greek have been mistranslated as well as misunderstood in the West!, especially the two following words “ᾅδην and γέενναν. Remember, Western Christians are reading a translation of a translation instead of the original text in context. The fullness of the truth is held in Eastern Christianity. Lost in translation is a true phenomenon. Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. Ἀμήν, "May the grace of the Lord be with you".
Best get on the Jesus bus, folks. Time is running out. It will cost you nothing. Seriously....it will cost you nothing but you will gain everything. The gift of everlasting life.
Amen! Let us all repent and turn to Christ! Let us all be United to Him by being United to His Holy Catholic Church 🙏🏽
Why do we pray for people in purgatory is their fate has already been determined and they don’t get a second chance
Read 2nd macabees
Great question! We pray for their full sanctification and that they enter the Beatific Vision as quickly as possible 🙏🏽
If you know that a person you love will one day get healed from the illness afflicting him/her, wouldn't you still do all you can to reduce that person's suffering and to shorten the healing process by administering some form of medicine?
Does salvation mean that you go to purgatory and justified mean that you go to heaven?
Because Ephesians 2:8-9 says that salvation is from faith as a gift from god and James 2:24 says that you’re justified by works and not faith alone
Justification/salvation means you go to Heaven. Purgatory is the process of sanctification, which happens after initial justification.
@@VoiceOfReason_ Ok, is it possible to go directly to heaven if you’re baptized, confirmed, have done communion and repents for sins or does everyone go to purgatory before?
@@lukaspersson4051 yes, it is possible to go straight to Heaven if your sanctification has been completed at the moment of your death 😊
@@VoiceOfReason_ ok thank you. Do you think you have to believe in papal infallibility to be a catholic? First one that believed it was Peter olivi in 13th century
We are made perfectly clean because of Jesus, not purgatory. His blood cleanses from all sins. Past, present, future. Born again christian cannot die in their sins because of Jesus's sacrifice that cleanses us You're underminig what Jesus has done on the cross. Terrible. I guess Jesus failed to mention baptism to Nicodemus, huh? Plus, we are not born again after we are baptized. What kind of christianity are you proclaiming? So many basic errors. It's terryfing.
This guy is so far from the truth. Jesus blood isn’t enough for this guy.
Why do you do this voice…
This is a gross misuse of scripture. None of us is good. We enter heaven ONLY from the righteousness credited to us from Christ. There is no work we can do to "help" that. Sanctification has zero to do with eternal salvation. As a reault of being saved, you will be sanctified. There is no work that is considered good enough to help earn righteousness. Paul is CLEAR in that, as was Jesus.
James 2:24: ”You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.”
Mark 16:16
”Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
So you have to be baptized
John 6:53: ““Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.” So you have to do communion/Eucharist and believe that it’s his body and blood, not just symbolic to have eternal life.
Acts 8:14-17 talks about people that were baptized but didn’t receive the holy spirit so Peter and John laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit. It’s about confirmation
And James 2:22 says that faith is completed by works.
Brother, when we do a good work is it not Christ working in & through us? By consenting to do the will of God are we not building up a greater habit of holiness? Are we then not becoming more like Christ? To become more like Christ is to become holier because Christ is Holy & to do good works for Christ’s Namesake is thus to be further sanctified (made holy).
Rome has had different definitions at different times. The Bible verses given do not indicate purgatory. Finally, indulgences (pieces of paper with a bunch of words) can subtract time from purgatory. So indulgences can do what Jesus sacrifice could not….don’t think so.
That is not what an indulgence is. I could be wrong but the time associated with each indulgenced act (such as 300 days) is not time shaved off from purgatory. The time is that that act when done in the proper state & disposition is equivalent of those amount of days of penance.
@@DarthVeers2 that was word salad
How would your definition handle a plenary indulgence?