Cold Creep | Air France Flight 66
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Air France Flight 66 was a scheduled international passenger flight from Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport to Los Angeles International Airport, operated by Air France and using an Airbus A380-861. On 30 September 2017, the aircraft suffered an uncontained engine failure and made an emergency landing at Goose Bay Airport, Canada. The outboard right-side Engine Alliance GP7000 engine failed and its fan hub and intake separated 150 kilometres (93 mi; 81 nmi) southeast of Paamiut, Greenland, while the aircraft was in cruise flight.
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When i was little an engine blew when we were flying to Miami and they successfully landed us back at JFK. Thank God for great pilots like these or else I wouldn't be sitting here.
Losing an engine is no big deal.
@@deletebilderberg The hell you say ...
What flight was that and what year
Engine failure is certainly a big deal if you're on the plane!
@@spaceace1006 Yes. Mom won't talk about it and would not fly for years.
This Air France crew did a great job. The plane was successfully and safely landed with no injuries to passengers or loss of life. I like that.
Today is the day a great airline died.
RIP Alitalia
May 5th 1947-October 15th 2021.
You will be missed.
Alitalia has been on life-support since 2017 and it hasn't turned a profit since 2008. Sorry for the employees who lost their jobs. Not sorry for the managers who ran it into the ground, but it ain't easy running a profitable airline. This is why all companies eventually go out of business. Arivederci, La Dolche Vida...
@@travist7777 I used to fly out of Milan on a regular basis. Alitalia always had the best uniforms. They were bad ass. Sad to wave goodbye.
@luvcalls
Living in the USA we have not heard anything about the trouble they had lately. I'm pretty surprised the last time I heard about them I believe the Italian gov't was providing emergency funding of some sort a number of years ago.
Yes, indeed.
I appreciate the thoroughness of Allec explaining how the disc failed. I had never heard of this.
Temperature has something to do with it
What type of engine?
@@michaelmccarthy4615 maybe rolls Royce cuz airbus
@@michaelmccarthy4615, Engine Alliance.
My guess is that any metal and anything man made can create some form of stress to itself or other parts of a plane which is why as safe as flying may be these days we are all subject to death once off the ground.
Nice job Allec-always look forward to your videos.
That’s a huge plane with two decks to carry all of those souls aboard. It had a very large crew, too. Thankfully, the pilot exercised the caution he did and landed asap.
So nice when all survive!
When I saw that the pilots' names were not mentioned, I felt relief right away (though I knew no accident with that many people has ever occurred in-flight, save for JAL 123). That's a lot of people on one plane. Those pilots saved them all by following instructions and not trying to complete the flight. Give them medals. Nice production, Allec-!
I didn't appreciate them then, but this video made me realize that the 380's were wonderful looking.
And with Air France now have retired them.. RIP
Yeah couldn’t agree more
To each his own, but I think they look my airplanes that did several cycles of steroids. Too big to be graceful, to me.
@@alexdaley7616 Respected opinion. I can understand how it looks out of place myself.
Already scrapped.
They entered service decades too late.
What was Airbus thinking.
It's always good to see one of these videos end with everyone surviving.
Technics ....it can always go wrong
No need to watch the video now, I guess
Yes.
If you see “2017” in the date of a civilian incident you know in advance everyone survived. There wasn’t a single fatality recorded in civilian flights.
I'm a sucker for Jumbo jets. They're amazing. The Queen, and 380, are beautiful feats of engineering.
Also a big shout out to the amazing mathmaticians at Aarhus University, who calculated with incredible precision, where the investigators could find the missing engine part buried in Greenlands inland ice. They made finding the needle in the haystack look very easy!
Do you have an article or more things to read about this? It seems very intresting
Indeed! Really a great work!👍
Outstanding
Metallurgy goes from practical to engineered, to science, to physics, to damn near black magic.
Well-done explanation.
Beat me to it. Hats off to aeronautical engineers that make metalurgy almost seem supernatural.
Very good job by the flight crew to take the correct steps to make sure the plane made it safely to the ground with no injuries.
Kangerlussuaq's total population is around 500, it's better to keep going on 3 engines to Goose Bay. Even then, the pax had to stay on the aircraft after landing because the facility didn't have air stairs to fit, and it took a 777 and a 737 to get everybody to their destinations. Thanks for sharing yet another example of how even supposedly reliable technology can fail in unexpected ways.
Yeah one of only two airports in Greenland that can handle planes like the A380 or 777. If they had landed there, this would be the northernmost landing for a commercial passenger plane.
Indeed, I can remember this very well. Also Kangerlussuaq has a much shorter runway than Goose Bay - in this special situation an important point.
@@evanshiong3557 Air Greenland is operationg regularly out of Kangerlussuaq with an A 330. The northern most airport for commercial passenger planes is Qanaaq in Northern Greenland, operated by Dash 8-200 of Air Greenland.
@@evanshiong3557 Concorde was operated on a charter to Sunderstrand in the 90s.
Another good one of a great save by the pilots. Kudos to you, Allec, for reconstructing now-forgotten airline incidents without sensationalism and with good conclusions. Best to you!
Way back in 1986 I flew on a BA 747 from Johannesburg to London via Nairobi. On takeoff roll, I heard a gushing sound and saw flames coming from the number four engine. This was followed by what looked like foam. Alarmed, when the air steward came round, I reported what I witnessed. She dismissed my statement and we continued flying. On arrival at Nairobi, the captain announced that we had an engined failure and that we would delayed while the engine was replaced at the gate. Four hours later we continued onto London. That was when my love for the quads started. Personally I feel safer in them, from the 747, then the 340 and now the 380.
They just happened to have a spare engine and it only four hours to replace at the gate. Amazing story 😂
What a majestic bird...
I'd love to see them in the sky again like Emirates ones did (and, in the near future, Qantas and British Airways).
A380 may have failed economically, but it still has a chance of ending operations with 0 hull losses.
A350 is also got no hull loss
@@Hatsunari_Kamado This comparison makes no sense. A380s have been around for like 10 years, the A350 for barely three.
Yes.
I always go into each video clip with the presumption that the incident will be a fatal one & come out relieved when that isn't the case, nice work on the clip Allec!
It’s usually a good sign if the pilots aren’t named. Data protection means you can’t give personal information about living persons, whereas it doesn’t cover the deceased.
@@hadorstapa True, I did happen to notice that earlier on here.
This dude had already covered all the fatal air crashes. Mechanical problems are all that's left. Sorry to ruin the suspense for you.
I love how Alec always gives you a moment like at 1:52. He’s showing you the last few moments when everything is still OK and it’s smooth sailing. Then of course things are going to change…
So glad all survived and the plane safely landed and it wasn't another case like UA Flight 232 in 1989. I'm sure everyone was grateful even though they were stranded in frigid Goose Bay for a while.
So, undetectable and possible failure without prior warning during normal operations at 25% of calculated part life. Yeah, that's a problem...
And the question is, how many planes are in active service in the world with parts like that??
Agreed. Similar to my comment after this posted.
On the video I was waiting for the "this is a once off and can't happen again" quotes from the findings that never arrived.
I'm not sure why they said that no maintenance actions are able to detect sub-surface fatigue cracks in this video.
The fact is that we do indeed have a variety of NDT inspection methods to detect fatigue cracking. In fact, the FAA issued an Airworthiness Directive requiring eddy current inspection for GP7000 engines, in response to this accident.
Agreed. Well said.
@@DuyLeNguyen Because those sorts of tests are not typically performed on basically new engines at a fraction of their minimum lifetime. The typical maintenance actions might include a borescope inspection. but not disassembling the engine for NDT, whether it's eddy current, CT or whatever.
Very interesting. Those passengers were fortunate that the airport at Goose Bay had a long enough runway to accommodate the A380. That’s one big aircraft.
..."excuse me ou pardonnez moi ..Miss flight attendent, but...look, the right engine looks rather different than it was before the take off!"
Glad that the parts that flew away did not damage the wing. It is always better to have four engines when flying over the north pole or Antarctica.
The more engines you have, the more chances you have of an engine failure or other problem. 😎
@@daviddunsmore103 The more engines you have, the more chances you have to reach your destination. If you lose one engine on a quad jet, you still have three instead of just one with a twin jet.
Indeed.
Turbine and compressor blade stresses must be collosal under high load.Centrifugal forces alone and heat with turbine blades.Always amazes me how turbine blades in particular tolerate that.
They use superalloys. Usually nickel based.
Creep strength is very important for turbine blades because of the very high heat and stress Thad they are under so steel and titanium are simply not suitable.
In the quest for more heat resistance they have introduced single-crystal casting which eliminates the grain boundaries of the metal and greatly reduces the chance of a crack forming.
Combined with improved cooling methods like hollow blades with film and transpiration cooling and the use of ceramics, they have enabled turbine blades to withstand absolutely insane temperatures in comparison to a few decades ago.
Hats off to the crew who did a great job bringing that big baby to the ground.
Excellent presentation and explanation of this event. The best part??>>>>all survived!! Thanks Allec!! 💕💕✈✈💕💕
Thanks for the excellent info and graphics, Allec. It seems that aircraft accidents are not reported on media very often anymore. I never heard of this until now.
It was big news here in Canada at the time, with cellphone video taken from the ground of it crossing the airport fence on short final approach to land, clearly showing that destroyed #4 engine nacelle, and the passenger's window video of the damaged engine in flight, with the remaining fragments of cowlings flailing in the slipstream.
I expect that it was a major news story in France as well, but with nobody hurt, I guess it didn't warrant much more international attention.
These failures are even more serious when they happen on large twin engine jets such as the B777, because of the huge amount of extra drag created. On the Blancolirio channel there's a long interview with a 777 pilot who had to deal with one these incidents.
Indeed.
I flew this very flight the month before. Makes me wonder if there was a sliver of a crack in the engine when I was a passenger just a few weeks before.
First comment it appears. Just started watching, wondering as always how this one is gonna turn out. I'm sure work will be outstanding as always.
Damn that's a whole lotta passengers!
Finished now. Excellent piloting skills, communication & decision making. What a relief with that many souls aboard.
What
@@SleafYT?
How did u get 1st
@@SleafYT Man I don't know haha.
One of the greats: This RUclips Channel!
Consistently excellent presentations.
I've been called a cold creep a few times...
Would have been interesting to hear about the logistics of getting all those people off of Goose Island and to Los Angeles. Goose Island is in the literal "middle of nowhere", in probably the most remote part of the Canadian Atlantic coast.
It was a nightmare, according to passengers who were aboard the flight. Air France completely dropped the ball as far as caring for them. No food, nobody from Air France was there to assist anybody. I could be wrong about the latter, but the general feeling was they were abandoned.
Since the metallurgical examinations showed that the material was likely to fail in design conditions during its working life, shouldn't it be replaced entirely from fan hubs of all aircraft that use it?
This is not failure by design . Obviously temperature has something to do with it
Everything fails eventually. This was not believed to be failure prone for many cycles to come.
@@jamesthompson3099 yes
@@kirilmihaylov1934 It's mentioned that the titanium based alloy tended to experience cold creep in ambient temperatures. Based on what is stated in the video, it doesn't seem as an exceptional case.
@@jamesthompson3099 From what I understand in 9:45, it was expected to not fail. Everything was in design conditions.
That's the second uncontained engine failure in and to date: ZERO fatalities. What a great plane.
Yeah, 4 engines will do that for you. Too bad it's too costly to run 4 engines just to have insurance for that "odd" failure...
@@yoopernow If the A380 was a cost-effective cargo freighter than it would be a great 4 engine aircraft. That's why so many 747 passenger liners are set for conversion.
Yes, indeed.
SO glad everyone was ok, NO more UA 232 scenarios! You just gotta think all the parts of that production run will fail the same way! Excellent work and research by one the best (and my earliest sub) on YT!
That ice texture leaves something to be desired
Joshua, how was Flight School?
Hey Allec, great job with your videos!
Allec, I would definitely feel safe if you were flying the plane I was on. :)
I think that fact that they descended from almost 38,000 to 29,000ft without clearance was the scariest thing about this. Lucky is what I’d call them.
Always excellent content! Thanks Allec
Second accident involving Airbus A380 cause by engine failure in 7 years since Qantas flight QF32.
Great video Allec, thanks
This is my requested case, thanks Alec for upload this!
Thank you very much for this amazing video!
Allec, I suspect there may be some software in the works that will show the exact topography of both the airport and its surrounding geography. That will be incredible!
The prequel (Qantas 72) and the sequel (Air France 66)
Quite the same, and it's a great thing no one was injured
you mean qantas 32?
So, all was well that ended dwell, right? ;)
Send 'im 'ome...
Good one!
@@midgie4410
Thank you. :)
Dwell is what nearly ended everyone's day here.
@@daviddunsmore103 David, are you trying to rebuke us for making wordplay of "dwell", by any chance?
I love the music on your videos.
What is the name of the piano arrangement?
It seems like engine 4 is the unsafest engine of all 4-engined planes.
Great report, AJ I.
Just too detailed for my Saturday night. 😂
Love your channel.
Damn, glad they saved 519 other people and themselves!
they lucked out that apparently none of the debris flew back towards the fuselage.
The engines are too low to have debris going through the fuselage. As an aircraft, the A380 is well too modern to see this kind of event that was much more common with propeller driven aircrafts.
Indeed. Like it was on Qantas Flight 32.
@@julosx the fan blades were rotating at high speed perpendicular to the fuselage. it wouldnt matter how low theyre mounted it containment fails when the detached parts trajectory is toward the fuselage.
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These are fabulous aircraft though never as stunning and majestic as the 747....unfortunately the future seems to lie with smaller 2 engine craft like the Dreamliner that are far more economical to run, can land on shorter runways and have incredible range.
Smaller aircrafts to barely survive in since you're cramped like a sardine in a can. No way.
The Dreamliner can take unlimited compression cycles thanks to its plastic composite hull.
Imagine waking up after landing thinking you would be in LA.
I would imagine that everyone was wide awake after that engine blew up with a loud boom! 😮
superb video as usual !!!
I enjoy these vídeo-reports where nobody die.
Good work bro! Keep it up! 👍👍👍👍👍
bro??
Will you ever do the 1956 Grand Canyon mid-air collision Allec?
could you please cover the 20th September 1995 F14 Tomcat incident when it exploded mid air please?
thank you
Excellent video! Nice counter to the new guy!
Hey, I love Allec's videos, but recently, when I play them, they play normally for usually about 15 to 30 seconds, then the video goes all scrambled (the audio stays normal). I don't have this problem with any other RUclips videos. Does anyone know how to fix this problem?
My grandfather happened to tell me about this the day after the incident
At engine failure, how far did the jet continue to fly to reach Goose Bay ? What type of engine failed ?
I think I saw where they are bringing a bunch of 380s back from mothballs. I wonder if this aircraft will be brought back.
I just learned that Qantas is putting 10 of their A380s back into service, with 2 more to be kept in storage.
The individual aircraft from this video is presumably still in storage in southern France, and Air France has retired the type, so for this bird to ever grace the skies again, someone else who believes that they can make money with it would have to buy it and pull it out of mothballs.
While it's possible that Emirates may decide to pick this one up as a spare for their fleet, I'll bet you a coffee that it'll never fly again, but merely collect dust for a few more years until it's stripped of usable parts and scrapped where it sits.
Im glad everyone is ok
Why?
@@K1OIK i hate when people die when the plane crashes i feel bad for them all
@@ryanpilot-xh7lv But stating here is all about, "look at me, I care."
@6:06 Affter?! 😁 Good video, thanks for posting.
Thanks! For the Answer I been waiting almost 4 years to get on this. Really! (I hate Investigation's making us actually forget what has happened, when it be nice to get the answers to them.)
Can you make a united airlines flight 328 video
How did they move so many passengers ?
I do feel a bit sorry for the passengers. Imagine looking forward to visiting Los Angeles, only to find yourself in Goose Bay instead 😂
They wouldn't have missed much if they stayed in Goose Bay. I am in the L.A area and the powers that be have turned it into a dump.
@@donluego9448 I’m sure you’re right. As I’m in the UK I only know of these places by reputation.
What is the piano arrangement? Does anybody know?
As this incident again proves It is always best to have four engines under you on long flights over water. Allowing only two was an error of judgement, which looks as though it was an American decision made to knock the magnificent A380 out of the market.
The Boeing 777, which entered service in 1995, was rated ETOPS 180 at launch, meaning it had to be able to run on one engine for up to three hours (180 minutes) to divert to the nearest airport. That was 10 years before the first A380 took to the skies. Unfortunately, the A380 just does not make economic sense for many airlines, but that is not due to any underhandedness on the part of the Americans. Oh, and in all the twin-engine flights over water that have flown in the last 25 years, none have ended up ditching in the ocean for want of another pair of engines or a closer place to land.
I agree that 3 or more engines is best for oceanic flight, and as someone with a lot of 4 engine time I always felt uncomfortable over water with just two engines. But saying America approved ETOPS to combat the A380 is just plain ignorant. ETOPS preceded the A380, and put economic pressure on the B747 and A340 long before the 380 flew. If there were engines large enough to have a two engine A380 they probably would have done it. Airbus made the decision to assume the risk of a market for the giant 4-engine aircraft in full knowledge of how ETOPS affected airline economics.
The more engines you have, the more chances that you'll have an engine failure. 😎
@@daviddunsmore103 I see your smiley face, but some people actually think that is a serious argument against more engines so I hope they notice the smiley also.
@@gort8203 it is actually a serious point. Two engines have been proven very safe and although it may be easier to manage, a failure is more likely in a four engines aircraft.
Engine appearance reminds me of the engine failure on United 328 over my town of Broomfield....
Did the passengers make it to LA or are they still in Goose Bay?
Their mail has been redirected care of the Goose Bay airport, and they are all living happily ever after. 🤣
Nicely done again, but that isn't an animation of a plane "yawing" to the right, we're seeing a plane roll to the right.
Was this similar to Qantas Flight 32?
Certainly the other three engines could have handle the load or was it precautionary?
It was precautionary. Any 4-engines aircraft is able to fly with 3 engines since they are certified being able to do so.
@@julosx , I thought so , thanks.
Delayed Upload Today?
6:07 Is the text saying that the captain wasn't skilled enough to land at Kangerlussaq?
Regardless of skills he’d have to be a complete fool to land there.
Did this plane have rolls royce or pratt and whitney engines?
Engine Alliance GP7000's, a joint venture between GE and P&W.
An engine failure is probably the least concerning thing on an Airbus.
I don't mean to sound like Larry King but I am curious: how did AF get all those people get to L.A.?
I still don't understand why aircraft don't have cameras mounted around the plane so pilots can visualize the wings, engines, landing gear or whatever. I have cameras that can show me who is on my front porch, but they have to go back in the cabin and peer out the window to try and see what is going on?
I've wondered that for years.
A350 has a camera on the tail where passenger can see
But can Pilot see though?
@@starsaber100 we can. To be honest though, the instruments are almost always more useful.
Today is where Alitalia ceased operations and ending it’s turbulent career. RIP Alitalia
Addio Alitalia
Had one flight on Alitalia: Rome-Porto, Portugal. Must have been okay (33 years ago), I have no distinct memories other than walking by Italian farm boys in uniform carrying submachine guns all over the terminal (a few months after the Rome airport terrorist attack)...
So many cameras on the A380 and they needed a passenger's photo?
This is scary, considering that it happened the day before the Las Vegas Shooting…
Would like to see one on Air Canada flight 621, crash date July 5 1970. Thanks
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Two points: we continue to be told modern jets can fly less one engine or even half. Why the panic? Two, why don't cockpits have a 180 deg. view of their engines on a live feed?
I forgot about this flight
Contained and uncontained failures of discs seem to be a common occurrence these days.
Define "common".
Props and fans have been failing since the beginning. Maybe because of videos and media now we hear more about them, but they have always been damaging aircraft and bringing them down one way or another.
What's the game?
I wonder if the airline is obligated to inform the public of “in service” inspections of critical components known to fail on passenger planes.
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What a shame the 340s and 380s are going or gone from passenger service. Lesson learned by Airbus and a caution to all aircraft manufacturers that bigger isn't better anymore. With engine efficiencies and reliabilities, the fuel savings and distance you get from a 2 engine jet makes these 4 engine behemoths non-viable in passenger service. So much was invested in this plane over decades and the economies of many countries and industries dependent on it...and it's gone. All destined for freighter service. What a shame. A beautiful aircraft standing still or flying.
Nope, not destined for freighter service! ☹
The proposed cargo version of the A380 was never built, and I've heard that it's not economically viable to convert the existing passenger versions into freighters, so once these beasts have become uneconomical to operate in the passenger configuration, look for them to appear in a desert near you!
@@daviddunsmore103
They're bad ugly too.
That’s the same thing that happened to qantas flight 32 I think