These training films were very important for many serving members of the uk forces. It enabled you to catch up on lost sleep in a darkened classroom or theatre.
@@dadillen5902 That was our life, though. The navy, especially on a mine layer which carries a bloated contingent of crew because of the mines, consists of a lot of sleeping. And some work in-between, I suppose. We were the heroes you never heard about.
Thank fuck for that! Just as I was on the verge of a panic attack following the blood chilling realisation that I didn't have the first, solitary _clue_ vis a vis the correct procedure for laying naval mines from a Royal Navy mine-layer circa 1976, up popped this highly informative video. Phew, close one! Thanks again RUclips recommendations!
if I recall most modern (in the sense of post second world war) seamines (and even some landmines like the SLAM) have timers in them where they can be set to detonate after a set time, it's very important to properly log the locations where mines of any kind are deployed but accidents can happen so great care must be taken, everything from highly trained frogmen, drones, dolphins and specialy built minimum metal minesweepers are used to locate, recover or if damaged or degraded perform a controlled detonation on minefields after hostilities cease
Its less efficient and cost way to much money to go back through and find mines layed. Also a country wouldnt wanna risk their men dieing from their own mines. Its easier and cost less money to leave them were they lay. Now a days tho mines layed are 9/10 are made to make themselves inert after a certain amount of time. The 1/10 are dumb mines that guerilla fighters lay and improvise. Those are the mines that'll kill you not the ones layed by a major militarys. Now there are mines out there from previous conflicts from times when we didnt have mines that made themselves inert. In that case it's still better to let them lay where they are and mark the area off. Its easier to let people know they're there and cost less money then going through and finding each one. Its extremely stupid to go out to find them too because most militarys made mines hard as hell to find and detect.
@@nickdavis2128 If it costs too much money, it shouldn't be done. It's a lot more 'efficient' for me to drop litter in the street than find a bin, but I don't, becuase it's disguisting. The disregard our ISLAND has shown the seas over the last 100 years is an absolute disgrace. We should be ashamed
I feel sometimes we forget how huge these things are in real life, honestly the scary thing is that these mines are big enough explosive payload wise where even an indirect detonation could crack the hull via sheer concussive force caused by the HE detonation, I was watching a video by jive Turkey on sea mines and he was talking about the latest models, one of which contains an autonomous torpedo designed to launch from under or near a target ship and these other advanced "smart mines" that are designed to explode underneath a ship in such a way that not only will the concussion damage the hull but that a void will form under the ship so it falls into a gap made out of superheated steam in aich a way it cracks the hull like a stale baguette on a concrete floor, you hear a lot about conventional AT and AP mines in addition to IEDs but I feel folks forget the power, danger and sheer lethality sea mines possess, be they old school floating mines or the autonomous "smart mines" of the modern navy
I have made diligent notes on this complex procedure and have comitted this to memory. Now how do I apply this valuable information to my job as a waiter?
By carefully taking the nautical measurements of dining area and placing strategically located slippery spots via "accidental" spillages of water to make the bussers slip.
I too had a loan draft in 1982. Just as the falklands was blowing up the Scabby Ab went to the Med with the reserves. “They must be trained” was the cry! At the end we waited to turn right back to Rosyth as everyone else was heading south. I was always told the vessel was a converted Norwegian car ferry and AFO’s stated it was not to entire any war zone. Enjoyed time on board.
Always remember being on HMS Abdiel on a Sea Cadet jolly in the late sixties from Rosyth to her adopted town of Hartlepool. I always will remember making way along.g the Firth of the Forth on a glorious day.
I mean, the track is closed except at the point where they load it, they'd have to remove the mines behind it to let it off the track, but they have to lay those...so off it goes just like the mines
I assume the spacer is designed to be disposable in a real minefield (mainly as the mines are more expensive (and expendable as well) and raw danger of turning around in the minelayer to recover them) but I am surprised they don't rig the training models with floats or radio beacons so they can recover them for reuse (I assume the training mines are expensive and thus reusable, obviously a live one isn't though lol :D)
I'm embarrassed to realise that I've been doing it wrong for years. All this time I've just been rolling them off the back of ferries when nobody was looking. I need to study this and tighten up my technique. Thanks RUclips!
Phillip Richmond Do you have knowledge of this ship and the mine laying precedure? I have a mine from this ship. Have a look at my utube channel as ive put a few films on about my mine. Im told my mine comes from this ship.
I have an actual practice mine from this training ship . Its a MK 17 on its sinker. I have studied this film to try and see my actual mine by looking for the URN number painted onto the sinker. I have added a few videos to utube if anyone is interested.
is it in a shead, hot fuzz style? :D (but in all seriousness how do you store something that large and valuable as a collectable (and even though a training mine possibly respected depending on where you live) artifact?)
I was an FTG aboard USS Joseph Strauss DDG-16 during deployments in 1970 and 1972. On June 4, 1972 just after midnight while making a firing run on a North Vietnam target, a huge underwater explosion under the bow, picked up the front half of the ship out of the water. The ship fluttered for several seconds, then slammed back into the water. Boilers went out. Engines went out. Strauss was dead in the water off the coast of North Vietnam. Several minutes later, another huge underwater explosion off the portside rolled the ship to starboard. 10 degrees, 20 degrees, 30 degrees, etc. Somewhere close to 35 degrees the rolling started slowing. The ship rolled to about 40 or 45 degrees, then started up-righting itself. Strauss was towed farther out. Boilers were relit. Engines refired. Strauss remained on station. USS Warrington DD-843 also experienced two huge underwater explosions. Warrington was towed to Subic Bay and was decommissioned due to the damage. USS Hollister DD-788 also experienced two huge underwater explosions. Hollister was able to remain on station. The damage to these ships were from mislaid U.S. Mark 36 Destructor Mines that were laid during Operation Pocket Money in May 1972 off North Vietnam harbors.
Mine laying ship looks ready for the scrapyard. This was 40 odd years ago about when berets were introduced to general service. I suspect newer type mines would be used nowadays and placed in position from submarines.
Modern day safety equipment: You need double interlocks on everything, survival suits, automatic life vests, GPS beacons etc. 1970s safety equipment: Here is a bit of rope. Now get on with it.
The 70's was such an interesting inflection point of history. It was the decade that invented the microprocessor and the Space Shuttle. But a ton of stuff was still completely unchanged from World War II. Huck some mines out the back with a rope, and time them with a wind-up stopwatch and write notes on paper. But also the mines can be nukes.
Its a good long lasting design but the appearance itself is deceptive. There were several mechanical improvements and differences in not just the construction of the naval mine but also the mine laying strategy as a whole.
It would only be one of many tests they would go through, during and after production, on a set schedule while in storage, when moved from storage to the docks, and then once embarked on the ship. The reason for doing it on the ship is twofold. 1 is because they can repair many of the problems that they test for, such as bad connections in the control circuits, failing batteries, damaged switches etc, thus ensuring a properly functioning mine. And reason 2 follows on that. They don't want to lay a faulty mine, because it is a danger to their own ships. Whether it has a faulty arming circuit and detonates right behind the laying ship, or doesn't properly anchor itself because of a bad release mechanism, etc. Mines are very dangerous weapons to everyone, and the only way they work for the navy that lays them is if they are exactly where they are supposed to be, and that requires proper functionality of the systems, and so if they find a problem in the testing that they can not repair, then they would have some procedures in place to either jettison it unarmed and vented so that it just sinks to the bottom inert and harmless, or jettison it with some sort of demolition charge or a self destruct timer, or retain it on the ship to take back to port. (if the weather was decent, they could use the ships crane to shuffle the mines and move the faulty one to the rear of the line)
@ADEBISI ADEBISI actually, you are the one looking stupid for attacking someone for asking a question. Without knowing that this is only one of a series of tests, or that some problems could be repaired, it's a pretty good question.
ADEBISI ADEBISI He literally just asked a question, you're a disgrace to all of mankind so would you kindly delete your google account and cancel your internet? That would be a good thing for all of us, you included.
@@bobthedog123456 yes, even after factory quality control checks its wise to make sure they work before deployment, my favorite example of how poorly stored munitions can bite you in the arse is during the first phase of the Korean war most bazooka rockets issued were not properly stored and had had their fuses or motors degrade so when the North Korean T-34s started rolling south best case you might get a detonation, worse case you have a rocket fire but not detonate the HEAT charge or not even leave the tube) if your going to be deploying weaponry intended to protect you and the lives of your fellow service personnel you better damn well check it, this might be second nature for things like firearms but do you really want be known as the person who's incompetence allowed a dud field of mines be deployed, allowing a hostile fleet or submarine Wolfpack to cruise into a vital see lane like they are going for a weekend fishing trip? as redundant as it sounds checking your equipment, be it a rifle or AT to something as large as a seamine or other high yield device can and will save your and possibly others lives if god forbid you need to fire shots (or lay the eggs from hell) in anger
They also aren't always laid with the intention of sinking anything. But instead as area denial. If say, you know the English channel is full of mines. You are not going to sail through it. Therefore it doesn't need to be guarded (or not much anyway). Even if in truth there aren't many mines there. So long as the enemy knows there are mines in the area. They do their job.
Huh, interesting so when one buys a 1970 British mine layer, one must know how to operate it. Now all I need is to raise 5.7 million for an old mine layer
As Chris said below, Minesweepers do it, they have very special equipment to accomplish it. I did some time on Minesweepers, and it is an interesting art. The quips on the MSO's was "Wooden ships and iron men", (Yes, they were wooden ships!) and "Any ship can be a minesweeper,...once!"
Vessels turn starboard to give way, and so do so more often. Possibly in more of a hurry, so the horn signal to turn stbd is one blast, port two and astern three. This just echoes that.
We all know this was a training film and exercise, the white thing on top is the bobber so the mine sweeping team can practice recovery of mine laid in the mine laying film lol.
There’s a YT of combat footage in Afghanistan. Every time a GPMG or the American equivalent fires a burst. The captions write “Applause... Applause... Applause” I’ve no idea if the captions are deliberate or a mistake, but they’re very fitting.
I had the Abdiel in 1980 as a three month loan draft while the Arethusa went into refit. I was a Seaman ( radar) at the time but branch changed to Mine Warfare during the first Gulf war. I spent nine months in 1991 clearing mines off Kuwait. I'm now in the Royal Fleet Auxiliary. I've still got a photo of my mate Michael McKeever, in tropical uniform, passed out on a bottom bunk on the Abdiel while alongside in Palma, Majorca. We'd been out drinking all day. He'd just pissed himself and it wasn't even his bunk. I still brings tears of laughter 40 years on. Oh to be 18 again.
@@smpgeek I think so. Thought they can lay mines in places like Sydney harbor where they can be retrieved early but if they're anticipating enemy ships there you know we're in a bad situation.
You repeat instructions two or three times to make sure people get them. It's why you shout "Fire Fire Fire" instead of just a really long "Fiiirrreeeee!"
If you only said "now" once, the timing may be off in that you're relying more on a possibly jerky, rough reaction from hearing command to action occurring, where if you do a cadenced "now, now, now", the person performing the action has more time to react in a smooth manner in which the action happens more precisely timed with the final "now".
Now, now listen here.....how do you know when to lay the egg of the rooster only says now....now? Or should I say when is now? Now is now? But when was that? Well just watch Spaceballs. Do it now!
It is,very common to reapaet stuff 3 times at sea , for ex in radio traffic: Pan, pan ,pan / warning, warning warning this is #"ships name" >message , over : Or inter vessel com to avoid A ship to ship colition for ex: big ship big ship big ship , this is ms xxxx x3 you are on a colition corse with us please adjust your hedding to xxx dergres ,over.... on chanal 16 vhf it's simplex meaning that it's not sending and receving at the se time . Therfore one must mark ending of transmition so that others now when to cut in without interrupting the speaker. The idea is to compensate for poor aidio I transmition, and to give the reiver time to process what's being said before the transition is over.
Because they; don't blow off, take up minimal stowage, look smart. I wore one in the 1970-80's as a Junior Recruit and Naval Apprentice but they were not allowed in the fleet until late 80's in the RAN.
They are set to a depth. They float while the sinker sinks, ans pays out cable, then the cable is locked at a set depth and then the sinker drags the mine down with it.
It's in the track of the guiding rails. They'd either have to start manufacturing spacers with retractable lugs, which would increase man hours spent on manufacturing each spacer, refit every minelayer with guiding rails that retract so you can remove the spacer, or dangle someone behind the ship to grab the spacer before it flies off, which would increase the time spent laying mixed minefields. They said in the video that sometimes one rail would be nothing but contact mines and the other nothing but tubes to avoid this issue while laying mixed fields.
for training I agree, they should have some kind of floats or radio beacons to recover them, in wartime it wouldn't matter as the "expendable" single use exploding mines are way more expensive then spacers but I understand your point (also would you really want to risk not just the remaining mines on board but the e tire ship and crew to go back into your brand new minefield to recover them? think of them like giant hand grenade pins or the safety caps on RPGs or the cloth satchels that houses the bricks of plastic explosives in pre assembled satchel charges
@@josephmontanaro2350 Well then you'd have to account for the manufacturing of the floats or radio buoys and the materials/time/effort used to recover the spacers. After all, these spacers probably haven't changed in design since WWI and they're probably WWII surplus at this point in history. It may be a waste, but it's infinitely safer and cheaper to not recover the spacers.
These training films were very important for many serving members of the uk forces. It enabled you to catch up on lost sleep in a darkened classroom or theatre.
found the guy who almost blew up the mine layer (JK) :D
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Really earning you pay are you NOT?
@@dadillen5902 That was our life, though. The navy, especially on a mine layer which carries a bloated contingent of crew because of the mines, consists of a lot of sleeping. And some work in-between, I suppose. We were the heroes you never heard about.
Thank fuck for that! Just as I was on the verge of a panic attack following the blood chilling realisation that I didn't have the first, solitary _clue_ vis a vis the correct procedure for laying naval mines from a Royal Navy mine-layer circa 1976, up popped this highly informative video.
Phew, close one! Thanks again RUclips recommendations!
Just dont forget to go back and get em after the war is over!
if I recall most modern (in the sense of post second world war) seamines (and even some landmines like the SLAM) have timers in them where they can be set to detonate after a set time, it's very important to properly log the locations where mines of any kind are deployed but accidents can happen so great care must be taken, everything from highly trained frogmen, drones, dolphins and specialy built minimum metal minesweepers are used to locate, recover or if damaged or degraded perform a controlled detonation on minefields after hostilities cease
Its less efficient and cost way to much money to go back through and find mines layed. Also a country wouldnt wanna risk their men dieing from their own mines. Its easier and cost less money to leave them were they lay.
Now a days tho mines layed are 9/10 are made to make themselves inert after a certain amount of time. The 1/10 are dumb mines that guerilla fighters lay and improvise. Those are the mines that'll kill you not the ones layed by a major militarys. Now there are mines out there from previous conflicts from times when we didnt have mines that made themselves inert. In that case it's still better to let them lay where they are and mark the area off. Its easier to let people know they're there and cost less money then going through and finding each one. Its extremely stupid to go out to find them too because most militarys made mines hard as hell to find and detect.
@@nickdavis2128 If it costs too much money, it shouldn't be done. It's a lot more 'efficient' for me to drop litter in the street than find a bin, but I don't, becuase it's disguisting. The disregard our ISLAND has shown the seas over the last 100 years is an absolute disgrace. We should be ashamed
@@spikeypineapple552 So you are at war with litter? Perhaps you could lay mines that destroy people who litter.
They sink
My mom was just screaming at me because my brother said I showed him a restricted “movie”
Is stupid
dont worry mom,its not about sex,its about killing people.
P.s:its not about your mom,respect,its about our strange social moral.
it was a joke…
poor spacer... :(
The spacer is recognized as the un-sung hero of the mine laying operations......
Spacer deserves posthumous VC for its actions
Came down here to look for something like this about the spacers. A pointless waste. And the Royal Navy at the time was already bankrupt.
@Wesson Briggs o rly
@Wesson Briggs No nobody cares at all. You and your fake account can fuck off with your spam
I feel sometimes we forget how huge these things are in real life, honestly the scary thing is that these mines are big enough explosive payload wise where even an indirect detonation could crack the hull via sheer concussive force caused by the HE detonation, I was watching a video by jive Turkey on sea mines and he was talking about the latest models, one of which contains an autonomous torpedo designed to launch from under or near a target ship and these other advanced "smart mines" that are designed to explode underneath a ship in such a way that not only will the concussion damage the hull but that a void will form under the ship so it falls into a gap made out of superheated steam in aich a way it cracks the hull like a stale baguette on a concrete floor, you hear a lot about conventional AT and AP mines in addition to IEDs but I feel folks forget the power, danger and sheer lethality sea mines possess, be they old school floating mines or the autonomous "smart mines" of the modern navy
I see the algorithm brought us together, I also just watched that video ... Yesterday
I have made diligent notes on this complex procedure and have comitted this to memory. Now how do I apply this valuable information to my job as a waiter?
By carefully taking the nautical measurements of dining area and placing strategically located slippery spots via "accidental" spillages of water to make the bussers slip.
@@petlahk4119 That's great advice. Now just have to work out where to launch the mines from the kitchen.
The soup of course.
@@wntu4 Should I suggest a change of menu to the owner, recommending a bombastic soup de jour?
@@deanborchert9574 Yes they could be released on the command, 'now now now'. Appreciate your input.
Filmed on HMS Abdiel (N21), a "Training Minelayer". One of the lesser known ships but one I personally like the look of.
I have one of the mines from this Minelayer. If your interested I have put a few videos on utube.
I had a loan draft to Abdiel in 1984, good ship and ships company
I too had a loan draft in 1982. Just as the falklands was blowing up the Scabby Ab went to the Med with the reserves. “They must be trained” was the cry!
At the end we waited to turn right back to Rosyth as everyone else was heading south.
I was always told the vessel was a converted Norwegian car ferry and AFO’s stated it was not to entire any war zone.
Enjoyed time on board.
Always remember being on HMS Abdiel on a Sea Cadet jolly in the late sixties from Rosyth to her adopted town of Hartlepool. I always will remember making way along.g the Firth of the Forth on a glorious day.
16:30 Curtsying mines! You can tell this is an old film, modern area denial weapons aren't nearly as polite or respectful.
Yeah, the Mk-65 Quickstrike sinks upon entry into the water. You don't even get a "Thank you," from it.
They threw away the spacer :-/
I mean, the track is closed except at the point where they load it, they'd have to remove the mines behind it to let it off the track, but they have to lay those...so off it goes just like the mines
I used to make those. Good riddance to them.
@@liquidsonly you used to build mines, if you don't mind me asking?
@@bobbymancini9069 I don't mind you asking. I used to work in the machine shop, no mines allowed in there.
I assume the spacer is designed to be disposable in a real minefield (mainly as the mines are more expensive (and expendable as well) and raw danger of turning around in the minelayer to recover them) but I am surprised they don't rig the training models with floats or radio beacons so they can recover them for reuse (I assume the training mines are expensive and thus reusable, obviously a live one isn't though lol :D)
The MK 17 & 18 look brutal!!
I can already hear the seagulls yelling MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE
A mine is a terrible thing to waste!
And they are black mines at that.
BlaCk MiNeS MAtter bahahaha
A very informative film. Mr. Bober, thank you for sharing this.
When I was a fisherman, we net the cradle for the mine in the North Sea
I'm embarrassed to realise that I've been doing it wrong for years. All this time I've just been rolling them off the back of ferries when nobody was looking. I need to study this and tighten up my technique.
Thanks RUclips!
Very interesting video! Thanks so much for posting this. My father was a sonar man on a minesweeper during WWII.
“Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!”-Rear Admiral David Farragut at the Battle of Mobile Bay
Extremely useful video thank you.
Good old Abdiel, lots of good times & many a dit to recall about the old girl!
Phillip Richmond Do you have knowledge of this ship and the mine laying precedure? I have a mine from this ship. Have a look at my utube channel as ive put a few films on about my mine. Im told my mine comes from this ship.
I had a loan draft to Abdiel in 84, the POCK was from Hull, I cant for the life of me remember his name.
Watching while staying at the Royal Imperial Windsor Arms hotel
I have an actual practice mine from this training ship . Its a MK 17 on its sinker. I have studied this film to try and see my actual mine by looking for the URN number painted onto the sinker. I have added a few videos to utube if anyone is interested.
is it in a shead, hot fuzz style? :D (but in all seriousness how do you store something that large and valuable as a collectable (and even though a training mine possibly respected depending on where you live) artifact?)
What rank does two tattoos and 2 sideburns denote?
TommyTwobats general of every military
Mine layer! Lol
Popeye the sailor rank
3 badge ab. 12 years and able rate already.
Chief dumbass
4-18 `If the mine gets fouled, the bogey man will turn the switch`
7:09 *Some guys laughing behind while people loading explosive to the ship.
love that laugh though
I was an FTG aboard USS Joseph Strauss DDG-16 during deployments in 1970 and 1972. On June 4, 1972 just after midnight while making a firing run on a North Vietnam target, a huge underwater explosion under the bow, picked up the front half of the ship out of the water. The ship fluttered for several seconds, then slammed back into the water. Boilers went out. Engines went out. Strauss was dead in the water off the coast of North Vietnam. Several minutes later, another huge underwater explosion off the portside rolled the ship to starboard. 10 degrees, 20 degrees, 30 degrees, etc. Somewhere close to 35 degrees the rolling started slowing. The ship rolled to about 40 or 45 degrees, then started up-righting itself. Strauss was towed farther out. Boilers were relit. Engines refired. Strauss remained on station. USS Warrington DD-843 also experienced two huge underwater explosions. Warrington was towed to Subic Bay and was decommissioned due to the damage. USS Hollister DD-788 also experienced two huge underwater explosions. Hollister was able to remain on station. The damage to these ships were from mislaid U.S. Mark 36 Destructor Mines that were laid during Operation Pocket Money in May 1972 off North Vietnam harbors.
did this on HMS Plover in 1967 in the Clyde estuary, a full mine field all the way over from shore to shore great fun!!!
Don't tell the Scot Nats about that one!
An excellent example of our naval past
This comes in handy! I'm sure this will be of use one day.
given geopolitics in the south China sea and the many disputed territories and sea lanes over there yes, yes it will be
I never took any notice of RN vids when I was supposed to so no point in starting now.....
8:00 The days when the expression manhandled were not a normal porn movie expression
Wanna bet
Never heard it used in any context but the one here, ever.
"rrrrigged around the rrrrolers"
@06:08 a pet hate of mine. Screwing a shackle pin in to the last instead of half a turn back. Bloody nightmare to undo without a marlinspike.
Mine laying ship looks ready for the scrapyard. This was 40 odd years ago about when berets were introduced to general service. I suspect newer type mines would be used nowadays and placed in position from submarines.
Nope it was commissioned in 1967 and Decommissioned in 1988 (HMS Abdiel N21)
Or dropped from aircraft.
@@blazer666del thanks for the info
The RN still has lots of mine warfare ships
@@blazer666del was you on Hermes at some point?
did anyone else see the "let go" indicator as a mildly passive aggressive "let's go!"? :D
I served on this ship Hms Abdiel in 1979
HMS Manxman finally left Chatham for scrap in '73, 39 3/4 Knotts what a ship
14:33 good old Decca navigator in use
Bought a Swedish mahogany yacht 2014, the owner couldn't believe I wanted to dump his trusted Decca system. Hardly knew what a GPS was... 👀
Proper sized navy back then....
Modern day safety equipment: You need double interlocks on everything, survival suits, automatic life vests, GPS beacons etc.
1970s safety equipment: Here is a bit of rope. Now get on with it.
The 70's was such an interesting inflection point of history. It was the decade that invented the microprocessor and the Space Shuttle. But a ton of stuff was still completely unchanged from World War II. Huck some mines out the back with a rope, and time them with a wind-up stopwatch and write notes on paper. But also the mines can be nukes.
Not a Hi viz in sight. Love it !!!
The design of the mine back then didn't change much compared to WW2 mines.
was think the same thing, look just the same.....
@@Lockbar The video is older than suggested
Its a good long lasting design but the appearance itself is deceptive. There were several mechanical improvements and differences in not just the construction of the naval mine but also the mine laying strategy as a whole.
Interesting video
Why do they test the mines when they are on the ship? That sounds like a really great time to figure out half of them are broken.
They would test them after they were made the tests on the ship would to ensure nothing has happened in storage or transport.
It would only be one of many tests they would go through, during and after production, on a set schedule while in storage, when moved from storage to the docks, and then once embarked on the ship.
The reason for doing it on the ship is twofold.
1 is because they can repair many of the problems that they test for, such as bad connections in the control circuits, failing batteries, damaged switches etc, thus ensuring a properly functioning mine.
And reason 2 follows on that.
They don't want to lay a faulty mine, because it is a danger to their own ships.
Whether it has a faulty arming circuit and detonates right behind the laying ship, or doesn't properly anchor itself because of a bad release mechanism, etc.
Mines are very dangerous weapons to everyone, and the only way they work for the navy that lays them is if they are exactly where they are supposed to be, and that requires proper functionality of the systems, and so if they find a problem in the testing that they can not repair, then they would have some procedures in place to either jettison it unarmed and vented so that it just sinks to the bottom inert and harmless, or jettison it with some sort of demolition charge or a self destruct timer, or retain it on the ship to take back to port. (if the weather was decent, they could use the ships crane to shuffle the mines and move the faulty one to the rear of the line)
@ADEBISI ADEBISI actually, you are the one looking stupid for attacking someone for asking a question.
Without knowing that this is only one of a series of tests, or that some problems could be repaired, it's a pretty good question.
ADEBISI ADEBISI He literally just asked a question, you're a disgrace to all of mankind so would you kindly delete your google account and cancel your internet? That would be a good thing for all of us, you included.
@@bobthedog123456 yes, even after factory quality control checks its wise to make sure they work before deployment, my favorite example of how poorly stored munitions can bite you in the arse is during the first phase of the Korean war most bazooka rockets issued were not properly stored and had had their fuses or motors degrade so when the North Korean T-34s started rolling south best case you might get a detonation, worse case you have a rocket fire but not detonate the HEAT charge or not even leave the tube) if your going to be deploying weaponry intended to protect you and the lives of your fellow service personnel you better damn well check it, this might be second nature for things like firearms but do you really want be known as the person who's incompetence allowed a dud field of mines be deployed, allowing a hostile fleet or submarine Wolfpack to cruise into a vital see lane like they are going for a weekend fishing trip? as redundant as it sounds checking your equipment, be it a rifle or AT to something as large as a seamine or other high yield device can and will save your and possibly others lives if god forbid you need to fire shots (or lay the eggs from hell) in anger
Seeing this makes me want to put a 50p inside the mine for charity
a lot of deactivated mines are used for charity now and let you do just that
With all of that open ocean it's hard to believe that a ship would hit a little mine.
They are usually laid in shipping channels and around the entrances to harbors
They also aren't always laid with the intention of sinking anything. But instead as area denial. If say, you know the English channel is full of mines. You are not going to sail through it. Therefore it doesn't need to be guarded (or not much anyway). Even if in truth there aren't many mines there. So long as the enemy knows there are mines in the area. They do their job.
13:33 what is the font used on the smaller signs?
Awesome
11:54 it sounded like he was making the beaping noise himself😂
Huh, interesting so when one buys a 1970 British mine layer, one must know how to operate it. Now all I need is to raise 5.7 million for an old mine layer
hands on MeMe stations. sorry i couldent resist XD
You just know the sailer with that red beard 12:24 wanted to be a Sargent, Sorry Petty officer.
The guy in the red beard is AB Charlie Charles. I served with him on the Pollington in the early 80s. Also with Brum Arnold (Buffer) RIP
@@cb5546 Thank you for your service!
Clip snaps. Kills everyone
Visted a minesweeper recently. I asked them I'd they ever do any mine laying. No answer.
That's a surprisingly archaic system, even for the times.
This is 60's. not too far away from when they were properly using them
@@TheFreshSpam by the mid sixties the RDN had fully automated mine decks
@@chrthiel I'm sure on the flagships and the few newer classes at the time. Probably not standard on all at the time
@@TheFreshSpam It was standard across the entire fleet by 1964
@@TheFreshSpam Er its 1976
11:10 connected
In the german navy, this is mein layer...
35 years earlier 4,000 ton 40knot Abdiel class minelayer. N21 featured in the film above was N21 HMS Abdiel: ruclips.net/video/5NWAfmrH5SI/видео.html
And then? Well, they come back and 'sweep' them! :-)
Wait a minute. You're telling me they get paid to lay them, then get paid to sweep them? Sounds like a racket!
No. Mine sweepers do that. Different types of ship.
As Chris said below, Minesweepers do it, they have very special equipment to accomplish it. I did some time on Minesweepers, and it is an interesting art. The quips on the MSO's was "Wooden ships and iron men", (Yes, they were wooden ships!) and "Any ship can be a minesweeper,...once!"
@@stephenhoward6829 Wooden hulls, because wood doesn't set off magnetic detonators. Nowadays they use fibreglass
It was at this point a Exocet said hello :D
cool
What conditions had to be met for the mine to explode?
I see I'm not the only one that's bothered by the wasting of that spacer...
Left & port have less letters and are quicker spoken, than right & starboard, but they decided to do more bells for port and less for starboard!?!?
Vessels turn starboard to give way, and so do so more often. Possibly in more of a hurry, so the horn signal to turn stbd is one blast, port two and astern three. This just echoes that.
We all know this was a training film and exercise, the white thing on top is the bobber so the mine sweeping team can practice recovery of mine laid in the mine laying film lol.
It also has a flair in it.
I remember i saw a disarmed mine in 2014
The YT generated captions are a laugh
' am I now hey laughing children Papa cat will stand by bishop three"
There’s a YT of combat footage in Afghanistan. Every time a GPMG or the American equivalent fires a burst. The captions write “Applause... Applause... Applause”
I’ve no idea if the captions are deliberate or a mistake, but they’re very fitting.
It's like an old bond movie 😂😂😂😂
Not shown, were the work by UDT divers to recover the damn mines (even training inert) after the exercise.
That's an awfully expensive piece of stainless steel I would have thought they would have just used cast steel
now now NOW!!!!
They just jettisoned the spacers?
I thought they were going to stow them along the walls for loading their next complement of mines.
wonder were these guys are now ?
legend says they are still sailing the worlds oceans, laying mines. :D
Probably still on the sea , sweeping for them
dead
I had the Abdiel in 1980 as a three month loan draft while the Arethusa went into refit. I was a Seaman ( radar) at the time but branch changed to Mine Warfare during the first Gulf war. I spent nine months in 1991 clearing mines off Kuwait. I'm now in the Royal Fleet Auxiliary. I've still got a photo of my mate Michael McKeever, in tropical uniform, passed out on a bottom bunk on the Abdiel while alongside in Palma, Majorca. We'd been out drinking all day. He'd just pissed himself and it wasn't even his bunk. I still brings tears of laughter 40 years on. Oh to be 18 again.
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I'd like to know how much these mines cost a piece
Not nearly as much as they would now
Much less than the cost of a ship in terms of material and money…And that’s the point.
Everyone wearing a hardhat except the bearded man
Its sad that youtube is removing anything to do with any type of guns in it constantly soon this stuff will be lost
they threw the spacer into the ocean ie jettisoned it. didn't the royal navy have a metal recycling bin onboard each vessel?
Now I want to join the Navy
Don't, join the air force instead.
Dalton Chew won’t get much sea mine laying done in the RAF
@@smpgeek Same with the navy. They stoped using sea mines a long time ago.
@@maxischew514 do they only sweep now?
@@smpgeek I think so. Thought they can lay mines in places like Sydney harbor where they can be retrieved early but if they're anticipating enemy ships there you know we're in a bad situation.
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Why couldn't they lay mark 12 w the crane right into the water?
Crane is dock side. You'd just get a pile of mines next to the jetty/dock.
The war would be over before theses could be laid......................
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Let Go
strange to me that they say "now, now, now". Must be a British thing.
You repeat instructions two or three times to make sure people get them. It's why you shout "Fire Fire Fire" instead of just a really long "Fiiirrreeeee!"
If you only said "now" once, the timing may be off in that you're relying more on a possibly jerky, rough reaction from hearing command to action occurring, where if you do a cadenced "now, now, now", the person performing the action has more time to react in a smooth manner in which the action happens more precisely timed with the final "now".
Now, now listen here.....how do you know when to lay the egg of the rooster only says now....now? Or should I say when is now? Now is now? But when was that? Well just watch Spaceballs. Do it now!
I agree. it just needs a " drop the fucking thing" command.
It is,very common to reapaet stuff 3 times at sea , for ex in radio traffic:
Pan, pan ,pan / warning, warning warning this is #"ships name" >message , over :
Or inter vessel com to avoid A ship to ship colition for ex: big ship big ship big ship , this is ms xxxx x3 you are on a colition corse with us please adjust your hedding to xxx dergres ,over.... on chanal 16 vhf it's simplex meaning that it's not sending and receving at the se time . Therfore one must mark ending of transmition so that others now when to cut in without interrupting the speaker.
The idea is to compensate for poor aidio I transmition, and to give the reiver time to process what's being said before the transition is over.
Ship goes like: "Hmm i gotta take a huge shiet! its gonna be explosive i say!"
That a really crappy thing to say.
Welp, guess I'll go lay some mines.
Some info on this ship. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Abdiel_(N21)
Why do they wear berets in the navy?
Because they; don't blow off, take up minimal stowage, look smart.
I wore one in the 1970-80's as a Junior Recruit and Naval Apprentice but they were not allowed in the fleet until late 80's in the RAN.
On the RAIL GUAGE. CANT THEY HAVE PLACED A HANDLE SO THE CREW MAN DON'T HAVE TO BE BENT OVER LIKE THAT
Sinka?
thought mines were underwater as not to be seen
They are set to a depth. They float while the sinker sinks, ans pays out cable, then the cable is locked at a set depth and then the sinker drags the mine down with it.
2021 anyone?
Confused as to why they jettison the spacer. Seems like a waste lol.
It's in the track of the guiding rails. They'd either have to start manufacturing spacers with retractable lugs, which would increase man hours spent on manufacturing each spacer, refit every minelayer with guiding rails that retract so you can remove the spacer, or dangle someone behind the ship to grab the spacer before it flies off, which would increase the time spent laying mixed minefields. They said in the video that sometimes one rail would be nothing but contact mines and the other nothing but tubes to avoid this issue while laying mixed fields.
for training I agree, they should have some kind of floats or radio beacons to recover them, in wartime it wouldn't matter as the "expendable" single use exploding mines are way more expensive then spacers but I understand your point (also would you really want to risk not just the remaining mines on board but the e tire ship and crew to go back into your brand new minefield to recover them? think of them like giant hand grenade pins or the safety caps on RPGs or the cloth satchels that houses the bricks of plastic explosives in pre assembled satchel charges
@@josephmontanaro2350 Well then you'd have to account for the manufacturing of the floats or radio buoys and the materials/time/effort used to recover the spacers. After all, these spacers probably haven't changed in design since WWI and they're probably WWII surplus at this point in history. It may be a waste, but it's infinitely safer and cheaper to not recover the spacers.
¿ Very hold the system minelayer ... age 50s and 60s. ?
I wonder how many of those fuckers are still floating around the ocean
A lot…I saw a map of mine fields in the Baltic and some areas are still hazardous today..From WW2
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Just ... total madness. What we do ... the human race is just nuts.
Someone's gonna get laid in college.
The wire GPS.
did you know that USS tide (minesweeper class) hit a mine of the coast of utah on june 7
the irony lol
What? Utah is a landlocked state, this story is bogus.
It was Utah Beach in Normandy
Yes but they managed to bring the ship to salt lake city port, where it was repaired, there is a long tradition of shipbuilding in utah ,
I did Minewarfare in the Royal Navy. We were always told "Every ship can be a minesweeper....... once".
and today we push a button lol