The Gila: King of C3s!! || EVE Online
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[Gila, Sample C3 Runner]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Pithum C-Type EM Shield Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Thermal Shield Amplifier
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Drone Link Augmentor I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Valkyrie II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Vespa II x2
Infiltrator II x4
Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile x9540
Mobile Tractor Unit x1
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Am I missing something? Isn't the DPS in the fitting window just ALL weapons firing at once (including drones), so you don't get 587dps from your missiles, that's including your drones. (if you mouse over the 587 dps it'll show you missiles and drone damage, the parenthesis number is including reload time of guns). But I might be missing something.
*edit* The long recharge time on Rapids is because without it they were massively OP in pvp. It used to be 40sec reload time.. :P
Pretty sure originally they reloaded normally. I got dropped by a pilgrim and some bombers in a Caracal, and killed 5 bombers before dying. They were OP on 1st launch.
Yes, he makes that mistake a few times and while he's been corrected, it's probably due to when he recorded the video vs when it was posted that he hasn't corrected that info in his videos yet.
You are correct, the total DPS of the ship, including drones, is 587.2. Apparently several videos were recorded in a row and the same mistake was made in all of them. He addressed it in a previous video's comment section.
@@scottbromley1818 Yeah, I meant the original Nerf was to 40sec, I was in RvB at the time and caracals were monstrous before that.
As others have said, it was a misconception I had at a time making a load of content. I have since learned my error and will clarify going forward 😅
Actually you're wrong with the dps output. The number with offence tag already includes drones dps.
Yeah it maxes out At around 650 dps.
Oof.
Correct. A mistake I made at a time I was filming a load of content in one go to cover my holiday in May. Means I was corrected way back in the Proteus video but that video launched after I'd made all these 😅
Your theory on who to hit first in the 3rd wave seems right to me.
Passive shield tank is all about stsying above the peak recharge %, ~33% of shield capacity.
So you want to pick off the targets you can kill the fastest that contribute significantly to the overall incoming dps.
Great video, great fit, great fun!
Thank you! Hope you enjoy!!
"the second that the second awakened defender dies. That threw me for a second"
I second this! Now second doesn't sound like a word anymore.
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An important nuance here : telling that we don't care running out of capacitor because the fit doesn't have active module is true in theory. But in C3, you can be hunt down by other pvp players. It is always a good idea to have enough capacitor to warp off. So, even with a 100 % passive fit, NEVER run out of capacitor !
Very good point!!
indeed, very good point. You might as well stop checking d-scan as your out of cap because you won't be able to warp away if you're being jumped anyway...
What would you advise to prevent this fit from getting capped out by the neuts?
We all have days where our brain goes a bit frazzled and everything is there at the same time. Still an amazing video.
Haha thank you 😅
Maybe if you took a mobile depot, you were massively over tanked for the 1st 2 waves. Use 3 DDAs, if they fit in the lows, and maybe 3 shield relays in the lows for beginning of last wave. I used to do gated L5s in a Rattlesnake and refit from rechargers to DDA/BCU when needed.
Honestly, by time you wait the weapons timer and refit, does it even save time anymore? Using a mobile depot between sites, sure, but not wave to wave.
To me, "Gur-IS-tas" (as opposed to "GUR-is-tas") makes me think of "Guerrilla" which I think fits with pirate faction
Guristas means "naughty" in Caldari and I'm not joking 😂
Thank you for the correct pronunciation of this ship! I cant stand the other pronunciation. The other most mispronounced ship is of course the Hecate.
Rabbit Pirates are Gur RIS ta, as I remember the Sandinista party of El Salvador back in the 80's and 90's.
Oh, where people pronounce it Heck-8? I get that one, there's a Hecate Bay on the west coast of Canada near Vancouver that's pronounced that way... But yeah, heck-a-tee 😅
Hey Benzie! Pandorra Suncrusher here. Great video sir!!!! Loved it all, including the slapstick. lol. Keep up the awesome work!!
Thanks! Will do!
You can switch off the auto attack of the drones if you don's want to trigger waves early.
True, I just like the autoattack for the most part. Just have to be careful not to hit triggers which, tbh, isn't hard
Great video benzie…however I’m really surprised you didn’t include a mobile depot and some probes/core probe scanner in the fit list…the last thing you need is for a wormhole to colllapse after you and have no way to find a way out afterwards..!
You can also include more drone damage amplifiers in the hold and refit to them for improved DPS with the mobile depot whilst fighting the sleepers this way..!
Great suggestion!
The drone damage shown in fitting window is representative of how much dps your drones are contributing, not how much extra you have. Pyfa will also clarify that this is the case.
Yep - not near 1000 DPS
Yeah, this was a mistake I made back in April when recording a load of content in one go (because I was away for May). It was corrected in the first video I put out but then I had all these still to launch... 😅
You live and learn, I guess!
I might get yelled at because/if my understanding of mechanics is years out of date, but I generally go with Gallente drones for j-space PVE simply because of sheer DPS. Sleepers as far as I know are still omni-damage and omni-defense: meaning a single weak resist on your ship will cost you, but it also doesn't matter what type of damage you use against them (sans any bonuses for your specific ship). I know tracking and other things can vary, but if you're using medium drones for anything bigger than a frigate, I don't *think* it makes enough of a difference to offset DPS gains. Just with the above fit in question, here are my apples-to-apples DPS outputs for 2 medium drones (maxed drone skills, level 4 drone specializations; I don't think there are any other drone skills where I could have maxed out Gallente & somehow neglected others):
45O dps Hammerhead II
422 dps Vespa II
395 dps Infiltrator II
365 dps Valkyrie II
You're correct that it doesn't matter what damage you fire at them because of Omni resists, but Sleepers have NEVER been Omni damage. They have turrets that do EM/Thermal, and missiles that do Explosive/Kinetic. But those weapons have different application rules, and different ships use them in different balances.
As such, your ship may be more susceptible to, say the turrets than the missiles, or there may be more of the missiles than the turrets.
Subtle, perhaps, but makes a huge difference if you know what to set up for.
Also, whilst Gallente drones have highest DPS, they're also the slowest moving and have quite poor tracking which means they can struggle to apply against certain targets.
Gorgeous video, nice and simple, clear explanation thanks mate o7
Glad it helped!
The Quiz you mentioned: If the big thing could kill you alone then its primaried. If it cannot kill you without the small shit then the small ones first. If it is low regen large hp passive tank then ALWAYS the biggest target first.
Not always strictly true. As an example, imagine that my tank can't handle 2 cruisers and a battleship, it's tempting to go for the battleship first, since it's doing most DPS. But if taking out a single cruiser can reduce the damage to the point that my tank can handle it, the cruiser dies faster. Ergo, the cruiser is the better option.
A bit of nuance is in the other effects applied for instance if you’re being actively jammed by a battleship then it may have to be primary since you may not be able to engage the destroyers or frigates properly
heheh, ok, gotta say it. Unpicking is kinda like unthawing. Exactly the opposite of what you were trying to say. Which, of course, fits exactly with the theme of the vid. Well done! :)
Bookmark on your way in when you get to like 50k km away, then you have a short SS to go to once finished.
Id be interested in a video on c3 or 6/10 escalations in a Drekavac. Battlecruisers are kind of in a bad place as far as pve goes but I follow the same manta of 'fly what I want, not what they tell me to.' I know the drek can do c3's but its quite hard to keep the fit to 500m and below with how expensive the disintegrator and mods are for it.
It's a ship I'm moving towards gradually, so maybe one day!
I feel that. My C3 drekevac fit is 1 billion isk, not including implants. And it still struggles in the third wave because it's so massively outranged. But I should probably be using Occult and sticking close. Anyways it's too expensive for me to feel comfortable with it in WH is what I'm trying to say.
A wild ride on that intro! Love it! haha. Great video. With all the micromanagement I do with my other ships, this will be a nice comfortable fit, so I can focus on making sure my drones are safe and not getting beaten down and not having to worry about reps and boosters.
Have fun! 😊
Probably a dumb question but this fit only gets me to 97 hp/s, what am I missing to get to the 195 hp/s that you're doing?? Also my EHP was WAY below yours.
Probably shield skills
[Gila, k's c3 gila]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Stalwart Restrained Shield Boost Amplifier
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Pithum C-Type EM Shield Amplifier
10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Gist A-Type Large Shield Booster
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Small Energy Nosferatu II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
[Empty Rig slot]
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Imperial Navy Infiltrator x2
'Integrated' Infiltrator x2
Vespa II x2
Federation Navy Hammerhead x2
'Integrated' Vespa x2
Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile x5197
Inferno Fury Light Missile x831
Nanite Repair Paste x50
I'd say that those strategic cruiser racial bonuses along with thermodynamics and all the nanite skills up to V are must haves if you're thinking on using any of these ships for PVP. And OMG those are absolutely amazing ships for PVP
Agreed on all fronts
Ty once again for great content.
Thank you for your support!
I stick with the solid 'G' for Gila because in my language it means crazy/insane, pretty nice coincidence there :)
Haha that's awesome!
I'm gonna need a trophy for how many first comments I get! Very excited for this video. I love the gila and have been wanting to bring into the home hole, but have only used the tengu so far for C3. Excited to see how you manage!
Same - I’m a Tengu fan but want to try the Gila in some C3s
@@christiankomodo It'd be nice to use it in something other than abyssals, although I am not excited to go back to micromanaging drones and drone ehp lol. The rats love my drones.
@@matthewcaldwell7115 the Gila is as good if not better at C3 sites than the Tengu imho..! Don’t forget to pack a mobile depot and a probe scanner/probes howevr…the last thing you want is to get stuck in a wormhole after it collapses behind you..!
Benzie, caffeine is our friend, but please remember, so is moderation. Lol Enjoyed your video as always.
I love the Gila! All of the Gurista faction ships are great. I don't think I have ever run wormhole content in them though. I generally use Navy Vespa's for their huge tank, over 5khp and good dps but I will give the T2 Vespa a shot. None of the others come close to having a better mix of firepower and survivability. Great video! I have taken to doing a build along whenever you drop a new video. It's been a lot of fun. Thanks!
Glad you're enjoying and thanks for the support!
If you're already using Navy Issue, they are better than the T2 drones, they're just a LOT more expensive. Since the T2s do well enough, I personally like to keep my costs down, but it's a personal choice 😊
@@captainbenzie very true but I've been known to be stupid lol. I'm one of those vampires that keep an active account, collect skill points, buy plex and spin ships in my hanger. About every 3 or 4 years I'll fly around and do some stuff. Your videos are pulling me back into wanting to fly. Thanks for the reply!
I usually choose the third school of thought: run away and come back with a bigger ship with bigger guns.
Haha fair
Kittens pulling at a tapestry 😂 definitely out of sorts Captain! But still managed to get all the important information out in spite of the challenges of simultaneous aneurysm effects. Is your nuerotoxin trained to V? 🤔
Only IV. Perhaps that's the issue 😂
My Gila build actually surprised me... I was jumped by a single ganker in Nullsec...he webbed me and drained my capacitor... but my 2xInfiltrator2 tore that guy down to the capsule before he even had my shields down. I *will NOT* recommend this build to anyone. but it is what I am using non-the-less.
[Gila, Gila-C]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Shield Recharger II
Gist X-Type Thermal Shield Hardener
EM Shield Hardener II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Salvager I
Salvager I
Salvager I
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium EM Armor Reinforcer I
Light Hull Maintenance Bot I x2
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x2
Infiltrator II x4
Mobile Tractor Unit x1
That is a very unusual fit but glad it caught the assailant by surprise!
😂 still laughing even on the re watch! 🎉 and yeah, I bought one two 😉
Nice one!
I love your eve content man. Its great you are focusing on here more instead of the minecraft one
Referencing the fact that apparently I sound like Stampy? I don't hear it 😅
@@captainbenzie Nah mumbojumbo you arent fooling me ;)
The Gila was my main cruiser in Echoes so I'll have to get me one in EvE. Great video and it's a good headspace.
Haha thanks!!
It’s worth noting that republic fleet extenders are actually better than caldari navy. Thukker are the best but also twice the cost. This is because they have less sig bloom.
Yup, trying to keep costs down and use what I have. I showcase live, not on Singularity 😉
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it was my C2 DED Solo ship...love it
Great ship! So versatile!
I’d like to know why are those kittens angry at the tapestry. Is it depicting dogs or some such?
I don't know! 😅😅
you say Gila and abyss right. Guristas sounds off though.
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Personal the active tank gila to me is pointless, the increase of signature radius from the shield extenders allow in more damage. Active tank with prop mod is awesomely better as its signature radius is tiny.
What fit?
Hello Cap.
Why is no one ever realizing that the ingame fitting window shows combined dps in the top pannel. So for your fit it is 412dps drones and 587 combined, not neary 1k just the 587dps. Nearly all CC's stack the drone dps on top which means they are twice in there. Other than that it was an nice and informatve j vid as usual with you.
Thank you! I did learn this a while ago but filmed a whole bunch of content in April that all made the same mistake 😅
As long as one is willing to learn, it's all good.
Oh, and how did you display the web and neut symbols for the awaken upholder (15:15) in the general overview? I could not get them displayed. Thanks bro!
it's just further to the right, adjust your column boundaries and you'll see it
Yup, standard overview and very useful info!
The Guristass.👍🏼
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So you are in WH space. Where is your Scanner probe launcher to find your way out if the WH collapses?
In the hold with a Mobile Depot to swap. Also, I'm part of a wormholing corp. There are always folks around me and fully scouted and bookmarked wormholes with Tripwire.
I would love to see a overview setup and settings guild.
Working on it ☺️
Nice video. Thanks for the info and the lunchtime entertainment 😂
Oh, and I always pronounce it “Gila”…
Any time! Glad you enjoyed! ☺️
Can I day trip with the Gila into C3s?
Another question, on that last wave, if u do get warped on are you screwd if u have no cap?
Only if you're EXACTLY 0GJ, if you have even 1GJ for a split second you can warp part way
In my opinion (for what it's worth) you're pronouncing both Guristas and Gila correctly. Anyone who disagrees can go eat popcorn and watch a movie... :)
Haha thank you
so what about the alligator ? is it worth it or they will be no change ? at clearing speed ?
Did a video on that too.
I love the Gila, But I'm not the biggest fan of the passive fit in WH space.
To each their own! I like it as I can just focus on the drones
Is it medium missile skills or light missile skills that affect the light rapids?
It's light. Skills are based on ammo, not launchers
Do the Calder i missiles make a difference? Because I’m using fury
Figured it out nvm
Caldari are between Fury and Javelin
Nice video, is it alpha friendly?
Yes, it is - you just may have to swap some modules from T2 to T1.5
I pronounce the "death bunnies"
Lmao
Is this fit good for t3 abyss??
It should work, yes
Very funny, your psychotigans 😂
Haha 😂
Does the Dps info in the ship fit considers the reload time?
The number in brackets does if you mouse over it
in this case, does it make too much diference between high/low reload times? doesn't it kinda fake the real dps for long run ratting?
@@captainbenzie and does it change too much? I mean, doesn't the dps without the reload time kind of fake the real dps? Because a long reload will reduce the dps much more than a fast reload weapon
@@555edu555 it depends on the weapon of course. But on a weapon with a 16s reload and 40 ammo, it's fairly minimal.
it's true, sorry for asking the same thing twice, the first one I was drunk and didn't remember today when I posted again 😅
how are the drones never getting targetted?
The Gila itself is enough of a threat to keep the Sleepers occupied. Need to be aware of frigates though
Can the Gila also do C1 and C2 or are there reasons that it can’t?
It can do C1 and C2 easily, yes.
@@captainbenzie Great. Returning player. I was afraid it was a dumb question but wormholes are tricky.
What isk/hr can we expect with this?
Easily around 200m
Can i use this Fit in CE whit 1M sp new account?
I went the whole HOG and installed auto-missiles, why even manage one thing when you can do nothing.
They're how you die and are absolutely terrible 😂
Can I go around all C3 Combat sites?
Yup!!
@@captainbenzie thank you
I always hear people saying stuff like “Cwhatever wormhole” what does this mean
I've done a whole playlist of wormhole content that you should check out. C1, C2, C3 etc are the wormhole "classes", kind of like a challenge rating.
Ok thank you
Grr east us
Eh?
@@captainbenzie guristas
@@TechnoL33T ah! I thought you were upset at New York and Boston!!
@@captainbenzie As a Louis Rossmann fan, I totally don't like New York.
jila
...how much isk do you make from c3? I need to know if it's worth it man.
About 160-180m an hour. Sites drop between 42-45m in blue loot
@@captainbenzie thank you Cpt
Hila
@@podunkest I lead an alternative lifestyle 🙅♂
@@drawmaster77 To each their own 😙
get better soon
It's pronounced Guristas! Gurr - Ist - Ah
Maybe?
I'm going to mention this about drones and auto-aggro, since you warn about drones attacking the wrong target in every video: There is a pop-up in the drone window which looks like a gear. Uncheck auto-defend and boob's your uncle, or maybe your aunty since this is 2023.
Yeah, I know about that toggle but I do like the autoattack for the most part and it's easy to just press F to move them off a target you don't want
Wrong dps lol. If that could get 1000 dps, it would dps tank even single thing in Abyssals.
Yeah, a mistake I made months ago and have since learned from 😂
@@captainbenzie I noticed it lol, you are gonna have one hell of a time explaining that to everyone😂 maybe put it in pinned comment, just a suggestion.
After eve echoes.... Caption never recovered 😢
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Wait… people argue with how you say abyssal? That’s the correct and only way to pronounce it.
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so ur telling me my main cruiser from echoes can fit 4 LARGE MODULES on the midslots in online?? demn i need to figure out how i get that omega faster.. XDDDD
Yup
@@captainbenzie I have only one thing to say, SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!
Isn't a praxis better?
Cheaper, but slower clear times.
@@captainbenzie How quick does this clear exactly?
Where I'm from we call it gillamonster with a g
It's Hila with an h sound, English is fucked.
*sigh* good luck finding your way home if you're a solo.
The fit is designed primarily assuming you're in a wormhole corp, but easy to add a Probe Scanner
@@captainbenzie lol. i'm old. I don't have online buddies outside of Age of Empires. Played Eve Online intermittently since about 2008. created this one over 4 years ago, but just started playing again. Never joined a corp.
I haven't really PvP'd here other than getting ganked, But I did love old Asheron's Call PvP. Loved fighting over dungeons and not letting others hunt them.
Great channel BTW.
@@iamaboozer thank you! If you're looking for a corp, Catskull is always recruiting! Join the Discord in the description, and you can apply there if you're interested!
@@captainbenzie I don't see an apply option on the Discord.
möp you say that this gila have 1k dps and i say nope xD cause the 587.2 are the dps of both drones and missiles ;)
Yeah a mistake that's been corrected in future videos
With inflation, the Gila is no where near worth it anymore. For simplicity yes, but cost to performance no. Any well fit HAC will perform the same for less cost, or better for similar cost. Its a 400m hull, for half that you can fly a Myrmidon, fit for shield regen, less skill time and only lose like 130dps or so.
Myrmidon does C2s well, but not C3s
Wait, a RUclipsr who knows how to pronounce it?
I know right 😂
and the pithum are super expensive. You won't be able to afford it.
Great thing about J-Space is how much ISK you can make 😉
@@captainbenzie And how much you can lose :(
Booo.... Tengu for the win! (Joking, Gila is better)
Both are awesome!
why is name that sounds like "hila" spelt "gila." the f
Because English isn't the only language to use the Roman alphabet, and the name "Gila Monster" is Spanish
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I'm new to the game. Can people really enter an instant your completed and take your stuff that sounds unfair and unfun.
No. They can't. They can wait on the outside of the exit for you.
Welcome to EVE. Plan and open in safe places