Father and Son | The Pacific E06 'Peleliu Airfield' - Reaction & Review!
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
- We continue this little Peleliu arc, and the Marines now have to move across an airfield with no cover, and enemy troops shooting at them from almost every angle..
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The worst part is that I have to wait another week for the next one. I love watching this with both of you.
To the older gentleman, im sorry i dont know your name, dont ever apologize for talking too much. You really know your history and it is fantastic to hear. Especially how it appears that you are educating your co-host. You both are doing a great job not only watching this great series, but showing the reverence and respect for the real soldiers and the war deserves. Im loving watching and listening to you both. 👍
"Hoosier" Bill Smith survived his wounds, got married and had 4 children. He met Leckie again and lived until 1985.
One of the biggest issues the Marines on Peleliu was the lack of water. Temperatures during the day were in triple digits and there was virtually no fresh water on the island. The operational planners tried to fix this by filling up 55 gallon oil drums with water. This obviously caused a lot of Marines to get sick because they didn't thoroughly clean the oil out of the barrels before filling them up.
And the scene with Leckie on the hospital ship at the end reminds me of a anecdote I read about it where a sailor was asking if anybody had souveniers to trade for. One marine looked at him and said, "I brought my ass out of there swabie. That's my souvenier of Peleliu."
Once again your dad is perfect, explaining precisely and concisely, and adding so much. Brilliant for us older types, historians, and such. And Sonny being a brilliant generation gap. More please
I hate to see this reaction end, because I'm going to miss Major Dad's input on everything.
@@catherinelw9365 Major Dad with Gerald McRaney? Lol (one of us...)
@@EthanBSide You remember that show too? I thought I was the only one! Haha! It was a cute show!
@@catherinelw9365 Oh no, lol! my dad was a Marine captain at the time so we watched it a ton! I remember thinking "he's Simon and Simon!"
@@catherinelw9365 They should do Generarion Kill together after this!
Was in a Japanese Cave in Saipan. It had tracks and artillery sighted to the beach. Amazing to live in history and see it.. You see their redoubts on hillsides. It was something to see as it is recent history and not hundred plus years old. It adds a sense of humanity. Enjoy your comments and have great respect for your father's knowledge.
King Co.’s XO “Hillbilly” may not have been as popular as to “Ack Ack”, but he was equally respected and equally competent. No one thought less of him when he had to silence that cracked Marine. It was just a real messed up sad situation, but no one could’ve thought a better solution at the moment.
As for the Japanese defense, they basically dug into a island that was built like concrete. Most of the artillery fire missions and aerial strikes would only cause minimum damage. Even the naval guns did little for every salvo. Fun fact, this was the first battle in which fighter-bombers would often use napalm in the Pacific Theater.
From what I remember from Sledges book, the guy who hit the marine with the shovel was very good friends with the guy screaming.
He had intended to use the blunt side however in the darkness caught him with the edge and with a slightly to hard hit that ended up killing him.
But he never named him. Same in Burgin's book. He said they all swore to never reveal the name of the Marine who accidentally killed him.
Taking Peleliu was important to cover the landings at Mindanao. When Adm. Halsey reported that Luzon was lightly defended, they dropped the plan to invade Mindanao first. They should have cancelled the invasion of Peleliu as well, but the plans were underway, and changing a plan in motion is like the Titanic trying to miss the iceberg.
Ah Mindanao my ancestral home
The water shortage on Pelelieu is why the Marines were issued 2 canteens minimum from this point until Camelbaks came out in the 90s. It's not an uncommon sight during the Vietnam War to see Marines and soldiers with multiple canteens hanging off of their rucksacks or belts.
I served in an airborne sort of LRRP unit (ad hoc part of 160th Task Force) in Central America in the 1980s. We always carried minimum two, often four or sometimes more depending, canteens of water.
You can tell Eugene's father knows Sid's exaggerating/lying about Eugene being safe, but also thankful that he's not being entirely truthful in front of his wife.
Leckie on the ship, in a wheel chair, obviously seriously wounded, still feeling guilty that he couldnt get back to his friend. "I tried." "I know." That gets me every time.
I love these reactions. Your dad really adds a lot with his obviously excellent knowledge of history.
Seeing Sledge loosing his overly romantic view on the war and being so harshly confronted with reality so fast after his arrival made the words of his father about the ww1 veterans coming back and be empty and broken somewhat foreshadowing. I find it very interesting how The Pacific managed to add a haunting depiction of the psychological toll of war in addition to the already very graphic depiction of physical violence and consequences of war like already shown in Band of Brothers.
It was complete foreshadowing, considering the ending of the series.
The japanese fought so feroucious that they, due to lack of real or more effective anti tank measures, dug holes in the expected push routes of the allies and put a man with an artillery shell or repurposed arial bomb and a hand detonater in them and cover the hole up again. The buried so called volunteer than waited till a tank passes above them and blow themself up with the tanks. After some sucess with that in the beginning the Marines used dogs to sniff them out and than throw phosporous granades in the holes or burned them out with flamers.
Warhammer 40K spotted
I would imagine that the man did in fact volunteer. Dying for the Emperor was the highest honor for them. Hence all the kamikazes, Banzai charges into prepared positions, and few prisoners (most of which didn't even get the choice, being captured unconscious or so quickly, they couldn't kill themselves)
1.) "In a firm voice filled with compassion, Hillbilly was trying to reassure the man that he was going to be all right. The effort failed. Our comrade's tragically tortured mind had slipped over the brink. He screamed more loudly. ...I heard the sickening crunch of a fist against a jaw as someone tried to knock the man unconscious. It didn't faze him. He fought like a wildcat, yelling and screaming at the top of his voice.
Our corpsman then gave him an injection of morphine in the hope of sedating him. It had no effect. More morphine; it had no effect either. Veterans though they were, the men were all getting jittery over the noise they believed would announce their exact location to any enemy in the vicinity.
'Hit him with the flat of that entrenching shovel!' a voice commanded in the CP. A horrid thud announced that the command was obeyed. The poor man finally became silent." -Eugene Sledge, With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa
2.) Unlike Band of Brothers, these episodes don't actually have official titles. These bland unofficial titles are used by many online, but HBO only numbered the episodes. There were no episode titles accompanying the physical media release.
3.) Those subtitles... Let's pretend for a moment that at 5:27 Ack Ack actually said "LEFT platoon," instead of the correct "THIRD platoon," why would he address the men on his RIGHT?
Pp. 100-102
I just watched a video of Sledge talking about Peleliu. He said; "...we were told the reason for taking Peleliu was to protect McArthurs flank from the airfield there, but 10 days in McArthur was walking ashore cameras grinding ." The mission was totally un-necessary. Admiral Halsey knew it and tried to get the campaign halted but failed because; "...our fleet is already on its' way there." So, it was easier to let the campaign go on rather than to cancel it and have to turn everything around? Nimitz and McArthur overrode Halseys' request to cancel. I wonder if Chester Nimitz ever lost sleep over that decision. I know McArthur did not!
It's true the invasion ended up being largely unnecessary. However, it's important to remember that no one expected this invasion to take as long as it did. They expected the invasion to be done in 4 days, and the airfield to be operational in 2 days. No one saw this taking more than 2 months.
Out of the almost 11,000 Japanese soldiers , only 19 soldiers were taken prisoner.
Your Dad's an awesome addition, very insightful on a lot of subjects. The two of you should watch Generation Kill next, another great HBO miniseries based off of Evan Wrights book of the same name centering around the War in Iraq.
The Amtrak was originally designed for oil work in the Florida Everglades. The Marines happen to see one and went wait a minute! Lvt1 are the ones where you have to jump over the sides. I believe the lvt2 was the change in the engine and transmission. The lvt 3 had the engine and transmission out of an M3 light tank and the rear ramp which made the loading and unloading of troops and cargo much easier. There were also lcm, landing craft medium, lsi landing ship infantry and as your dad mentioned last landing ship tank or as soldiers and Marines called them large slow targets.
The WWII museum in New Orleans has a Higgins Boat in the entry way. You can get in it and take pictures. Amazing museum if you ever get the chance.
6:41 I love this moment:
- Oh fuck, oh shit!
- Yup
The guy he left behind that he was worried about was the one that came up to him on the hospital ship. That was Runner.
I just wanna say that these reactions have been great. Few react channels offer this much in the way of insight into what you're actually watching, it's really great to see. I'm not spoiling anything, but the next few episodes are probably going to be the toughest to watch.
Basically the mountains were honeycombed with the enemy. In this battle was the shortest combat missions for Marine pilots operating off the airfield once they took it. They would feel the plane load with ammunition and bombs they take off leave the landing gear down possibly the flaps drop the bomb and land again and repeat wash again until the sunset. It didn't even have to reload the fuel. The island is so small there's no room to maneuver so frontal assault is the only option.
liking more this video with your dad since he comes prepared in the subject... so accurate information deliver.
They use natural caves and others dug by hand and interconnected them. Some of them had artillery in them some of them had machine guns others had rifleman. All their fire was interlocking. A lot of the caves had iron doors on them. One of the methods to knock out a cave was to hang off of a rope with the satchel charge ignite the fuse and wait a little and then throw the satchel charge into the cave and swing away from the cave opening. White phosphorus grenades were also good for dealing with caves and enemy soldiers.
Thank you for this. Cheers to dad. You both are great.
The Japanese mindset in WWII was so different from the Western mindset, that most Marines lost any sympathy for their opponents. It sounds like some sort of racist myth that the Japanese didn't care about death, but it was largely true of the Japanese. Dan Carlin's Hardcore History has an episode in Supernova in the East that talks about how Japanese leaders first rewrote the history of the samurai into an almost mystical ideal, then when they militarized the country, opened that ideal up to anyone who served in the military. It created essentially secular fanatics.
This fanaticism changed everything. It was dishonorable to surrender, so using surrender as a ruse to inflict more damage was fine. But on top of that, any enemy that surrendered wasn't due any compassion because they had forfeited their honor to survive. The Japanese didn't recognize the idea of non-combatants, especially in uniform. If you put on a uniform you were a soldier so fair game. This meant medics and chaplains could be shot while giving aid. To the Japanese, all of this activity fit into the fictionalized history of the Samurai so they were fulfilling a near sacred duty. To the Marines it was just perceived as evil, and if the enemy was going to be inhuman...
Many people tend to think everything you say about a group like imperial Japan is racist when in fact it is an honest understanding of what was then our enemy. Notice I said what was then our enemy, they are no longer. My dad was World War II veteran and a Korean War veteran. He had no animosity towards the Germans who he fought every day all the way to Prague nor against the Koreans. Obviously didn't since I am half South Korean. You hate the enemy for what they are trying to do, kill you. When the fighting stops the hatred should too. It may take a little while to turn it off with some folks but most people get it. There are a few out there that I have met in my lifetime of 64 years that carry that grudge of fighting against the enemy regardless of what nationality or race for the rest of their lives. I remember one time I was having my car's radiator worked on had a shop near my house. And I was talking to this old boy and it turns out he was one of Edison's raiders during World War II. One of the nicest people I've met in my lifetime. He also did a great job on my radiator or at least his shop did. But when you looked in his eyes, you could still see the warrior there. The body had aged and betrayed him but he still had the heart of a lion. He told me some of what he experienced. Horrific is the only word I can think of to describe it.
You should look up Captain Haldane, aka ach ach. He was a very good man regardless of his uniform and rank.
i like it ur dad knows his stuff calling it the umurbrogol mountains not many ppl know about the pacific theatre of war if u get a chance u should def read sledges book.. btw im guessing your dad did read the books bc he knows he was called "lucky" instead of "leckey"
WE ARE..... very much appreciative of "With the Old Breed", AND Leckie's "A Helmet For My Pillow".
They sweat so much their boots where filled with the liquid... they had to dump it out
Working late tonight, thanks for keeping me company.
Your dad kinda looks like the gunnery sergeant
Don’t know why my brain remembered this, but when sonny said “thank god for air support.” The pacific theater helped the marines make certain traditions that are still alive today. Though many other traditions in the corps started before.
During the Guadalcanal campaign as depicted in the respective episode and the comment “...took the fleet out” left a sour taste in the marines mouth. While the marines were being harassed during the night, the marines began stationing marine air wings in carriers during the latter part of the pacific for marine support (navy still helped, but marines help marines). Even until recently if I recall there would be a marine squadron on a Nimitz, but maybe now on an amphibious assault ships as part of combined arms doctrine. Though given the most recent publication of reducing the marine air wing and armored battalions, the navy might be the ones providing support.
As a caveat, this was all from memory when I was an HS ROTC student and the XO was a 2nd Lt. this was during the history of the navy and marines. If any one has more information to add, clarify and such I appreciate as I don’t want to pass off misinformation.
The worst part about Pelieu was that a fine Division was shot to pieces for what turned-out to be unnecessary in the end.
Definitely tragic.
I just came from watching a Japanese channel and had subtitles on. After watching your intro talk I can confirm RUclips caught everything with auto generated subtitles. Says something, both about your proficiency in pronunciation and the software capabilities. (well it caught everything except "Peleilu")
Young dude looks like Dansby Swanson..lol..Older guy could have 100% been a drill sargent! Good job on videos fellas!
The old saying "There are no atheists in foxholes"
The resemblance and same mannerisms between you two is uncanny. On the right is sonny in 40 years maybe less hair. 😂
It's called "Graves Registration". They pick up the bodies and bury them. In the Dutch Army the Cooks are double slotted as Graves Registration. I guess they think Meat is Meat, where ever it comes from.....
One of my instructors in dental school, Dr. Wazney, fought on Peleliu. I asked him one evening what he remembered most. Surprisingly, he replied that the white coral was blindingly bright in the tropical sunlight and it drove the "war dogs" crazy.
Tropical islander here. 105F = 40.5C, 115F = 46C. Given that they were in a tropical island surrounded by the southern Pacific ocean, the relative humidity could have made the temperature easily feel anywhere from 5 - 10 degrees Celsius hotter than the thermometer-measured temperature.
In humidity, your sweat doesn't evaporate, too, so your body doesn't even get the opportunity to cool off.
I see this video was posted this month in 2020, though the series was made in 2010. I'm surprised you guys are just getting around to seeing this excellent show for (apparently) the first time. Frankly, I didn't know much about the Pacific war before the release of this film. Oddly, our WW2 histories predominantly focus on the war in Europe. Curious as to why that is. But the real American war was in the Pacific. As far as most Americans were concerned at the time, we were really at war with Japan, and Germany was not of much relevance. Once I started digging more into the Pacific war, I found it infinitely more fascinating, more horrific and miserable, and more complex than our role in Europe, which, really, the Russians were spearheading. Just the logistical aspects alone of the Pacific war are enough to occupy the casual scholar for a long time. Yes, fewer troops were sent to the Pacific, but they had triple the casualty rate (especially land and naval) as in the European theater, which testifies to the brutality of that war and the heroics of the young men sent to fight and die in it.
'With the Old Breed' and 'Red Blood Black Sand' were really good. Haven't read 'Helmet for My Pillow' yet.
"I really like Ack Ack" oh no... :(
They just (I think) announced that spielberg and hanks will be making another 10 part series. (I think it's about an american bomber squad?)
It was announced some years ago and was supposed to be getting released on HBO like BoB and The Pacific, but has apparently been bought to be streamed by Apple TV+. And it will, indeed, focus on the US Army Air Forces' Eighth Air Force bombers... though hopefully we will get some fighter escort stuff too. I believe the title is or was supposed to be "Masters of the Air" or "The Mighty Eighth", but no word on when it will be released yet sadly.
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The movie “We Were Soldiers” by Mel Gibson takes place in Vietnam. They use a new tactic to fight. First time using helicopters for battle. A true story like this series shows a group of soldiers meeting the enemy that couldn’t be seen. They’d come out at night and attack then disappear just as quick. They finally found out they had dug into this massive mountain w miles and miles of tunnels deep into the mountain. They had everything they needed to stay alive while the Americans weren’t used to the terrain and limited supplies were in the open.
Another disturbing military movie leaves you wondering how anyone made it out alive.
Really good movie
I agree that military veterans and current say it the way it is. That is the way I like it.
En god kanal du har her, og din far er en cool dude! Hilsen fra Sydfyn. :-D
According to the books, gunny never saw any action in ww1.
I was surprised by Burgin's disclosure that Gunny Haney never even had an assignment. He just showed up. At one point, they sent him back stateside because of his age, and he just hopped on a ship again and showed up, and the powers that be just shrugged and let him stay.
@@catherinelw9365 Yep, apparently he had no CO he just jumped in with different groups so he could see as much combat as he could and didnt really answer to anyone. Seems very strange.
@@eraldorh It sure is strange. But I think back then, people were just not as bound to bureaucracy and regulation.
"They really need to take out that pillbox"
Which one? There were around 100 of them covering the airfield and most had interlocking fields of fire. That means when trying to deal with one theres other ones firing your ass up protecting the one youre attaking.
Same noses and ears... genetics are wonderful.
They are still remains on Peleliu.
I see you were impressed with the fact that gunny was a veteran of the first world war but a even more impressive record is that of chesty puller look it up it will amaze you
The only thing that bothers me because I read Leckie's book is the way he got injured in the series. He didn't slam into a tree from a concussive blast. He was bracketed by Japanese artillery looking for an ammo dump. He was close enough to that dump that when it was hit he got knocked out purely from that blast and lay on the ground for many minutes looking like he had no wounds. He couldn't talk but he heard two other soldiers come by and they eventually helped him get to a medic.
hey can sonny and dad watch "Boardwalk empire" it's another HBO show and i'd love to see dad's reaction to it.
i mean dont get me wrong kat is awsome and if she's there thats awsome tooo but i really want dad on cam for that show.
Regarding whether or not Peleliu should have been attacked, the capture of the Marianas Islands made the Navy Army and Marine Corps advanced for time table. This cause the Philippine operation to be moved ahead by believe it was 6 months. So this operation this invasion in the bloodbath that followed was totally unnecessary. Even the fighting is Admiral in the United States Navy Bull Halsey said the mission was unnecessary and tried to get it called off. Why did they continue anyhow? It's one of the best questions of World War II with the worst answers of World War II. Essentially inertia. Everything was moving forward to start the operation and quote unquote it was too late to stop it which is bullshit.
IIRC the forces on the island wouldn't have been a threat to the landings in the Philippines, the airfield didn't play a key role in any operations after it was captured, and other islands were used as staging bases for the invasion of Okinawa.
This was the deadliest amphibious assault in American history for an island of no apparent strategic value.
The Battle of Peleliu was somewhat brushed aside for decades and not as talked about. Thankfully this series and CoD WaW helped give it the recognition it deserved.
On his book, Sledge noted with sad irony that his friend Oswalt wanted to be a brain surgeon and got fatally shot in the head.
Paris Hilton 3:20
Does anyone know if they actually deprived the actors of water to get genuine reactions? If not they do a real good job of portraying them dazing into the black at times. They absolutely looked parched in most shots.
“Coral! Coral!” Haha!
Next few episodes....brace yourselves.
It's a depressing run of episodes from now on. That's why The Pacific is so hard to rewatch. You know exactly what's going to happen next
Can anyone tell me what the black "button" on the front of Capt. Haldane's helmet is?
Also, I really appreciate your dad's insight and knowledge. If he recaps another show with you, I'll definitely check it out.
That is the Marine Corps E.G.A - Eagle, Globe, and Anchor
@@rpease96 Thanks. Is it worn as insignia to denote rank, or is it a character choice to make him stand out a bit more? I can't recall if other Marines have it on their helmets.
@@etj1986 no, the EGA is the Marines symbol symbol. In ww2 we didn't put ranks on helmets or really signify rank much because the japanese and germans would aim for the officers and unit leaders
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hmmm Yeah this isn't really that fun to do I don't know why people like doing it so much.