Father and Son | The Pacific E04 'Gloucester/Pavuvu/Banika' - Reaction & Review!
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- We move on from the very mellow episode that took place in Melbourne, and we now see the Marines dealing with all sorts of problems on the islands again. The weather, the terrain, the diseases and especially the PTSD, it's all really starting to take a toll..
Rest in Peace, Luke.
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The reason the 1st Marine Division was left on Pavuvu was to turn the island into a rest area base. It was a coconut plantation before the war and by 1944 it was covered with neglected smelly rotting coconuts that the Marines had to clear by hand. The constant rain turned everthing to muck this forced the Marines to collect coral and crush it to make passable roads and floors for their tent cities. Once again all the coral work was done by hand. The Marines hated Pavuvu because after heavy fighting on Cape Gloucester they were expecting R&R in paradise nobody told them they had to build their paradise out of shit, rats and land crabs with their bare hands.
This is why Pavuvu deserved a whole episode. You just do not see why it was a hell hole in what little they showed. It would also make the reaction of the Marines coming back from Peleliu more impact. They left a shit hole, went through hell, and came back to base with all the amenities.
Gibson, the guy in the cage that tried to steal a plane and get away, was also the guy strangling the Japanese soldier earlier in the episode, and the guy that shot the cow from the train in last episode.
I like that I finally found someone watching this series that actually knows what is going on and history. I've seen some people who didn't even know who eisenhower was while watching BoB.
RIP Luke 😥
Great reaction gentlemen. This series gets a lot more intense as it carries on.
So sorry for your loss my friend.
Fair Winds And Following Seas.
Gibson the guy in lockup was actually the soldier strangeling the japanese wounded officer and giving the wierd smile after it kind of foreshadowing where he will end up in the end.
I am sorry for your loss. Very sad indeed.
My great uncle was shot down over the Philippines and received the purple heart and I have his bowie knife he carried with him. Also my grandpa fought in Africa Italy France and the rest of the European theater.
Soldiers hated being seperated from their units. More than just friendship, their units were the people they knew well and could trust, and were their home while at war. Also, while away, they would worry about each other, because they weren't there to protect their friends. I read about a mutiny which happened in a British Army depot in Italy, where soldiers were gathered who had been hospitalised in North Africa and were recovered enough to return to their units. But instead of being promptly given their orders to rejoin their units, they were left waiting, and then told they were being reassigned to a new unit together. So they took the risk of refusing orders and kicking out the MPs and Depot officers, because they so wanted to get back to their original units. The high command backed down fortunately, and changed their orders so they would return to their units rather than having them shot.
BOB touches on that where several guys went AWOL tog et back to their units v reassignment.
According to medical records, for every combat related casualty in the Pacific there were 26 non-combat related casualties (e.g. a 26:1 ratio). In the European theater the ratio was only 11:1. Equally important, a unit committed to combat in the Pacific typically required nearly nine months of reconstitution and reorganization after being withdrawn from the front lines before it was ready for action again; in the ETO that interval was just 2-3 months (less than a third of the time).
@ Just US troops (the figures are from a post-war US Army medical study). I suspect that other Allied forces in the ETO would have had similar rates. My point is that the climate/environmental conditions in the Pacific were much harsher, and when you couple that with the lack of any civilian infrastructure in most combat zones in the Pacific (as compared to the far more built up areas in Europe) the percentage of non-combat related casualties were nearly double that in the Pacific theater to what they were in the European theater.
the respect to pacific marines fro european soldiers is demonstrated when Leckie takes a cab home and the driver refuses his money.
BoB was very good at depicting the horrors of war and the physical toll on soldiers but the pacific did an even better job in showing the mental decay and how you can end up a casualty even if you dont catch a bullet. The scene with Leckie got wished a fast death is very haunting. It seems crude to wish such a thing but given what both of them have been through till that point you cant help but feel that it was in fact a well wish and the hope that Leckie dont have to endure the suffering again both of them encountered. I find the acting of both of the actors in that scene outstanding cause even though the words that got spoken weight heavy their body language and eyes tell so much more in the scene.
The guy who choked the Japanese soldier then smiled was Gibson, the same guy who shot the cow in the last episode.
In the marines, they are Navy corpsman. Back then and I believe now, they are all Navy.
Yup. All corpsmen are Navy. Not all are with the Marines though, there's "green" and "blue" side corpsman.
Bobby Owen, FMF Corpsmen can remain wearing Navy service uniforms or convert to USMC uniform regulations just to add on Sauce Daddy’s comment on “blue side” and “green side” Corpsmen.
Wanted to learn more about the late casualty of the war, especially in light of the series. Might think about doing an episode on this along with footage about Guadalcanal. I think it would be very relevant. Sad for your loss, would like to know more.
"He wants to see the light go out", I been watching too much The Boys to not know this reference.
Get ready for the violence. Way more gory than Band of Brothers even. This is where it's starts to get super dark. Band of Brothers is the better series, but The Pacific is a more real and authentic look at how dark and dirty war can get. Both series should be in the Smithsonian, because they are two of the closest experiences of WWII. I'd put Saving Private Ryan in there as well, but they take a lot fictional liberties, but as far as the combat they are top notch. The last great WWII movie has got to be Hacksaw Ridge and Dunkirk. 1917(2019 movie) is the best WW1 movie I have ever seen followed by Gallipoli (1980), War Horse(2011), (Private Peaceful(2012😢) and The Lost Battalion (2001, which is a underrated as far as WWI movies go), and Passchendaele(2008, super underrated.) These are just the movies I can think of off the top of my head, I'm sure I forgetting quite a few.
....WWI ---> Paths of Glory (1957), Hell's Angels (1930).... WWII ---> Die Brücke (1959), Das Boot (1981), Come and See (1986), Letters from Iwo Jima (2006), Flags of Our Fathers (2006), Enemy at the Gates (2001)... Vietnam War---> Apocalypse Now (1979), Platoon (1986), Full Metal Jacket (1987), Hamburger Hill (1987), We Were Soldiers (2002), The Deer Hunter (1978)...
It's way more up close and personal for the most part, I think.
Other excellent WWII films include Clint Eastwood's double feature of Flags of Our Father and Letters from Iwo Jima. Fast forward in history and We Were Soldiers is maybe the best Vietnam War film out there. And then when you get to films about more modern warfare I think Black Hawk Down and then Lone Survivor are at the top of that list
I think Leckie wanted to leave the ward not only to be with his mates again but rather cause he started to realize that when he allow himself to really come down and let his guard slip and let all what happend to him till that point come close again he really would loose it and go crazy like Gibson. Given the smart reflective guys he was he realized the only way to save himself from that was going back in the treadmill untill he was in a better mental state or find another way to deal with all the things that lurked in his mind.
Dear Pop: So sorry to hear about your buddy Luke. May he rest comfortably in the arms of the Lord. My father's best childhood friend was killed in action on Guadalcanal. Lt. Charles C. Thomson. My dad named me after him.
Excellent video! I always look forward to these :)
Sonny, what rank was your father when he retired from the military and was he ever stationed on Bornholm? I am a US Marine Veteran, and my infantry battalion was on a float aboard the USS Tortuga when we trained there.
Wow - I can't believe that about Luke. So he was clearing unexploded ordanance on Guadal Canal left from WW2? Wow. That's really something. I'm genuinely surprised that there's anything left from that long ago! RIP Luke.
There are millions of unexploded bombs, land, and sea mines still left all over the world
Plenty of UXO still being found on Guam. The Navy EOD techs out there still get a lot of work doing disposal ops.
They still find live WWII era UXB's all around the world to this day there are places in and around Germany where people aren't allowed to go because the Germans developed and built millions of landmines made of glass (Glasmine 43). Their glass construction makes them very hard to detect and during the war it saved needed resources. These mines were greatly feared because the schrapnel wasn't detected by x-rays vastly complicating treating the wounds they create. This doesn't include the thousands of bombs dropped by planes that failed to explode. In Europe they find on average 1 UXB a week usually during construction projects. Just recently (2020) live UXB's from WWI were found in Fort Totten Park in Washington D.C. during construction work. About 5 years ago they found a bunch of WWI chemical weapons (mustard gas shells) under a house near American University also in Washington D.C. The greatest danger of old munitions is that the stablizers used to keep the weapon's initator (usually lead azide) stable can breakdown over time. Try an internet search for "UXB in Europe" or "UXB around the world".
Joe BLOW#25FH3975361B not just WWII, but also WWI! There are still parts of France and Belgium where bombs and other UXO are found from that war. More recently, there are still untouched mine fields in places like Bosnia after their war in the 90’s. It’s insane how much is still out there and how dangerous it is to come across!
3:33 fyi that sea is called Bismarck Sea because the islands used to belong to the German Empire until Japan took them in WW1.
This series made me grateful that my grandfather fought in the European theater instead of the Pacific theater... because from everything I've ever learned about it, the Pacific theater was just SO brutal, so the likelihood of me never being born seems like it would have been much higher (he was about 19 when he went to Europe; fought in the Battle of the Bulge so it's not like he missed the action, but still).
my grandpa was in the pacific and never spoke much about it. When i inherited his 1911 .45 all he would tell me was it had killed people.
That orderly that had his nose broken doesn't realize that what he's doing is just as important as the guy out of the sharp end with a gun. My mom was a nurse at fort Devin's in Massachusetts, 1967 68. She dealt with the wounded members of the service primarily. So there were instances when she had to deal with soldiers that had night terrors and issues from being in Vietnam. Her Ward was primarily a surgical Ward where people were recovering from some pretty bad injuries incurred during the Vietnam war.
I would have to go back and look it up to verify it, but I believe Cape Gloucester is on Bougainville Island. They took just Cape Gloucester to establish air strips and left the rest of the island for the Japanese. So they had to stay there well the Seabees were building the air strips and then Army troops came in and garrisoned that section of the island and the Marines were relieved. And yes it really does rain like that it Cape Gloucester. They had to drain a swamp to build the airfields. I think the airfields once they were drained enough to backfill with coral and then they covered it with Marston Matt which is a steel planking for temporary airfields in a combat zone. It's got large circular holes in it to allow drainage. It was used all over during a world War II not just in the Pacific and the Aleutian Islands.
Great episode great discussion. GOOD JOB.
Actually I don't think the penny dropped on the Japanese until the nuclear bombs dropped on them. They were still doing Banzai charges late into the war, and in July 1944 was the largest Banzai charge of the war, at Saipan.
Saipan saw the biggest and last major banzai charge of the war, about 3000 Japanese soldiers. But after the Americans cracked the Marianas defensive perimeter, the Japanese seemed to wise up, and defensive measures and tactics on Peleliu, Iwo Jima and Okinawa were far, far more effective.
Japanese leadership had a strategy of of making picking each island so costly that the Allied Forces would balk at the idea of invading Mainland Japan. It might have worked except for the atomic bomb.
The Allied Forces looked at the casualties they had been taking and decided and that context that use of the nuclear bomb would end the war sooner and save huge number of lives on both sides. And their main consideration was the number of Allied lives it would save.
Another reason for not going back to Australia for R&R was they were getting further and further away and it would put too much strain on shipping.
Gibson is the one that's trying to go the Japanese soldier. The grin he had you could describe his maniacal.
It's a source of continual disappointment to see how frequently these HBO miniseries subtitles turn accurate details into nonsensical dialog. For example, at 2:24 Oswalt is not yelling, "Ammo!" He's actually saying, "half-load," the command to "hang" a mortar round. Why wasn't the creator of the subtitles given a script? Its clear they are just winging it.
Dealing with "shell shock", you should watch George Carlin about speech and euphemisms. About how something called shell shock, which almost sounds like guns, became battle fatigue, then operational exhaustion, finally post traumatic stress disorder takes all the humanity out of the condition. He brings up that if we still spoke plain, honest language maybe a lot of problems wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
I remember this episode very clearly. I had just bought a new suround sound system and was ready too try it. Almost shat myself in one of the ambushes becouse of the gunfire passing next to my ear. Can't imagine what the actual soldiers felt
*Marines
Fixed it for you. 😉
The next is episode is gonna be quite a ride...
on cape Gloucester, in New Britain, there was a large Japanese base called Rabaul, the strategy on this island was a siege of the base, took several months
I think I'd've been devastated if they sent me to the rear to do paperwork at Brigade. I felt so safe with my Platoon I didn't request leave, until the XO forced a 3-day pass on me when I got punchy.
Rest easy Luke. May a gentle breeze carry you on high to God's presence.
I’m unable to find the name of the actor playing the drill sergeant with Sledge, but is he the same guy who was O’Keefe in BoB? 2:50
Catherine, in the Marine Corps we have Drill Instructors, the Army has Drill Sergeants. Nathan Lovejoy plays Sledge’s 60mm motar instructor, Sergeant Crease. Matt Hickey portrayed Private Patrick O’Keefe on Band of Brothers.
The last Banzai charge happened on Saipan in 1944. Since then the Japanese began to wise up and see the futility of such suicidal tactics. After Saipan, the Japanese would turn to more in-depth defenses and hold out as long as possible, which would prove VERY effective in the battles of 1944-45. Japanese commanders would order their soldiers to not throw their lives away and that they don’t have ‘permission to die until they have killed # of Americans’. These tactics would further brutalize the Pacific theater and you guys are going to start seeing the whole combat in this series get worse and worse as they get closer to Japan.
If you can operate in & master the Jungle, all other terrain becomes easy. I once did an Operation that I was lead Scout for, It lased two weeks and was during the wet season. The jungle was so hostile, it becomes just as dangerous as the enemy your facing.....
I can't wait for next week.
Army = Medics. Marines/Navy = Corpsman (a Corpsman is always a sailor).
We Devil Dogs (US Marines) refer to our Green side Corpsmen as “Devil Docs”.
The whole operation to take Cape Gloucester was utterly pointless. It was part of Operation Cartwheel (run jointly by Gen McArthur and Adm Halsey). The idea was to take any and every place that had a airfield to use as a base of operations to eventually destroy the Japanese base at Rabaul on the island of New Britain. The Battle of Cape Gloucester was launched to that end. It took over a month of fighting the Japanese and the weather but eventually it was secured. However the entire operation was a waste because nothing ever came of it. The airfield was originally going to be staging point for the 13th Air Force but they were sent elsewhere. The place was only in operation until 1945 and was never anything more than a spare airstrip that the Marines paid for with 310 killed and 1,083 wounded.
I think this episode shows that from what I understand combat half the time ends up being 90% boredom and 10% mindrending terror.
Fighting at night outside of a city/town can be pitch black without stars / moon if there is cloud cover.
Every time you say "....and here we go" I keep imagining the joker in the Dark Knight.
You guys post a video, 6 hrs. later RUclips "Kat & Sonny just posted a video"
Um thanks I guess....You can go back to sleep now RUclips. Anyways great reaction.
Great job, boys!!!🔥🔥🔥
OK. Hope you enjoyed the easy episodes. Its about get grim
RIP from America. ✊
Something you may not know is that the Marines do not have their own medics in their table of organization. The Marines rely on Navy corpsman in the field. A friend of mine's brother was stationed all over the Middle East with the military in Afghanistan and Iraq with his Marine unit. Invariably the Navy corpsman is called doc in a lot of cases. They are what's called an independent duty corpsman and they are almost as good and sometimes better than a regular doctor. They are excellent medical types. I would say they're a step up from a paramedic they would be probably a highly qualified nurse practitioner otherwise.
Japanese rifles for pretty small 25 caliber weapons. Consequently they didn't have much of a report or muzzle flash
The place and its weather itself were an enemy too.
If you don't mind me asking I've been curious since I watched the first of your videos. Usually I can figure out accents pretty good but I quite and puzzled by yours. I'm not asking for your city or something I was just wondering what region you live in cuz it's really kind of odd that I can't figure it out.
The thing that bothers me about this episode is they way they made up the suicide of the French Canadian Lt. is that it is completely fabricated. If you read Leckie's book, he is referred to as Lt. Commando and he was hit on Peleliu, he did not commit suicide.
Wasn't Shortround a character in Goonies, or one of the Indiana Jones's?
Yup
Episode 5 is where it gets really brutal. And it gets even more intense after. Your Dad really gets it. Loyalty to your buddies and wanting to get back to them is something common to all Infantry but it's even stronger in the Marines.
Yall should react to "April.9" Its a movie about the german invasion of denmark. I think it would be interesting to see your reaction considering yall are danish!
Flame and Citron is also about the war in Denmark, focusing on a couple of resistance heroes. It's good.
What that Officer did was a dick move, and it invites a justifiable fragging.
I felt that part 4 was the least of all the episodes. Part 5 is when it gets intense.
Part 4 is showing the monotony of war where it is a whole lot of nothing, followed by an hour of chaos, and the mental and physical toll that can take on you. It’s more deadly than the actual battle in some cases.
shame you dont show the start with the vets comments
They weren't a part of the version we were watching, for some reason 🤷♂
Never had a doc I didn't like
Hey sonny are you not that familiar with ww2? Just wondering
I am, just not as much with what happened on the pacific front. What made you wonder about that? 🙂
I was just wondering not trying to be rude or anything
Further to your Dad's comments about soldiers partying hard when on leave there's a couple of examples that give you a feel about the backlash against the American troops stations here in Australia.
I remember my grandmother referring to the American troops in Australia by the phrase Overpaid, Oversexed, and Over Here. Similar sentiments to those of civilians in the UK I believe. Americans didn't understand Australian culture and often came off as arrogant and rude.
Firstly, in Melbourne there was the case of Eddie Leonski. Locally known as the Brownout Strangler, Leonski killed several Melbourne women, which added to the already tense situation in Melbourne. Local newspapers were incensed that Leonski was being tried under American Martial Law rather than as a murderer under Australian law.
Second, a riot in the city of Brisbane, known as the Battle of Brisbane between Australian troops and US military personal after a US MP attempted to arrest an Australian soldier. Tempers blew and a full riot lasting two days resulted in one man's death and hundreds injured on both sides.
Battle of Brisbane, MP’s attempted to arrest an intoxicated American soldier (Private James R. Stein of the U.S. 404th Signal Company). Riots erupted after three Australian Soldiers, who Pvt. Stein was talking to, tried intervening and were beaten by the MP’s.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Brisbane
hard to control young men who know they may be dead in a mattrer of days, what do they have to lose? I would probably be just as drunk and obnoxious myself TBH
Hi cool reaction guys i'm looking forward your reaction to The Boys 2 season episode 6 awesome done :)
Actually the armies landed first than the marines in the pacific
What?
Uhh...
*Imperial Japanese Army🇯🇵
Fixed it for you athana kop. 🇺🇸
Technically he's correct, as the invasion of Guadalcanal (the first amphibious invasion) didn't occur until early August, 1942. Prior to that, in January, 1942, the 2nd Bn, 131st Field Artillery (a Texas National Guard unit) was landed on Java to help defend the Dutch East Indies (along with an assortment of Dutch, British, and Australian units). The difference is that the landing on Java was not an amphibious landing, it was a reinforcement operation that went ashore at a friendly controlled port.
Lancer Macman, prior to January 1942, US Marines of the 1st Provisional Marine Brigade landed on Iceland, May 1940 to relieve British forces.