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Here across the ditch in New Zealand, when 91 is $3 a litre (again) spending $50 a month to do 500km in a 2013 Toyota Aqua/PriusC is totally worth it. I talked my parents into get a hybrid to replace their 90s Nissan Primera wagon, they got a Toyota Yaris Cross hybrid - and they Loooove it, mum went from spending $50-100 a week on petrol to $60-70 a Month.
Daughter has a Toyota Yaris Cross Hybrid, around 80k on it, she bought it when they were released. Does a lot of highway k's, has averaged 3.7 litres per hundred from its first day. Never missed a beat. Pretty hard to argue with that.
I own a Lexus IS 300h and it's the BEST car i've ever owned. Economical, good looking, reliable, nice to drive thanks to the low sitting position. I just love it.
Same here. I own IS 300h and NX 300h. Both are awesome, but somehow I prefer driving the IS mainly due to rear wheel drive, low sitting position and sharp steering. It’s an awesome, underrated car, just as good performance wise as the BMW 3 series but much more reliable and also better looking.
@@paulklp8262 I’ve never driven the IS 350 but I’ve driven the IS 200t/300 with traditional automatic gearbox. I think it had 8 gears. I much preferred e-CVT in the hybrid. It’s way smoother, response is instantaneous and it makes the engine very quiet in normal driving. Gearbox in the IS 200t was slow and unresponsive.
Great job on explaining the different types of hybrids. I know so many people who have no idea there are multiple types, so this helps to clear up the pros and cons of each type. I am impressed with my Prius hybrid, just makes so much sense. 200,000km on it so far and no work has been done on hybrid system or battery. In the 100,000km i have owned it,i have only had to replace the thermostat and clean the egr ports in the intake manifold. Both of these jobs i did myself and they were pretty easy to do.
Great work mate but Toyota nails it with the hybrid I’ve flogged our 2006 hybrid and it’s 298000 kilometres on the clock , over ten years I’ve spent nothing on it and just replaced the drive battery for 2600 bucks new from Toyota and that’s the only cash I’ve spent on this car which is going strong has been Sydney to cairns , cairns to Darwin , Darwin to Sydney and Sydney to Perth where we live now it’s a bloody star of a car and I’ve had v8 s trucks, sedans, utes, this is the best car for an old bugger like me it’s terrific and when it does finish I will buy the Camry new which is terrific to drive and has bugger all fuel use . Per kilometre it’s cheaper than a big motorcycle . It’s giving me 4.4 to 4.7 kilometres per litre but I’ve done better when it was younger. It’s not exciting but it’s pretty exciting when I don’t fill it up for a couple of weeks and it’s still got plenty of fuel even driving every day . Even the old traction battery I had fun with removing and reinstalling and cleaning the bus bars it’s fun for a backyard tinkerer too. Have to say though I do change out all the fluids and transmission fluid frequently to keep him alive .
Our 2022 Rav4 hybrid has travelled 40,000k at a fuel average of 5.9 litres per 100k. Majority open road driving. It is 4wd and you can feel the extra go provided by the 2 electric motors when you heavily accelerate. It is a very good car and has had no issues whatsoever.
I daily drive A Nissan “Nismo S”Note and I love it ! Coming from driving a Lexus ISF & a Mercedes S63 AMG u can’t beat the Nissan Hybrid. I’m getting just over a 1000klms of city driving on $68. Why wouldn’t you?? I have Coilovers fitted, Nismo sway bars, Bridgestone adrenaline RE003 tyres fitted and mine also has the factory Nismo Recaro seats fitted and this thing is a little weapon! I live at the top of a mountain so driving up 3-6 times a day in this little thing puts a smile on my face ! The S model is 30% faster than the standard Nissan Nismo Note and with the suspension tweaked in “Sports mode” & the seats hugging you it’s the most fun u can have-on $68 at a cost of $30-35k for the vehicle. Who said hybrids are boring… RE-Driven if you wanna do a review on my Nismo Note happy to let you take it through its paces!
Thinking about getting a Nissan Nismo Note, but I love the 5L from the Lexus ISF. Do you still have the Nissan? Ever miss the ISF? I'd love to hear about your experience.
The current generation of Toyota hybrid transaxle and inverter circuitry are hands down the most durable and reliable the industry has to offer. It's a no brainer really.
I've got to say I'm converted, I've owned a hybrid for 6 months and it's amazing. It's fast, clever and costs very little to run or charge. The only drawback is the loss of range using the a/c system which typically wipes around 5 miles of the range. The car is the VW Golf GTE 2019.
1 week into owning a Hybrid RAV4…ok my wife is one week into owning a Hybrid RAV4, apparently I own too many motorcycles… Anyway so far, so good. Full electric wasn’t really a consideration due to cost, living regionally and this is our primary vehicle.
Being a bit of a classic car nerd I bought a 1st gen Honda Insight because it's impossibly cool. Sadly the hybrid system is somewhat antiquated being 23 years old in design terms, but still works and is cheap on petrol and fun to drive. My late father was really into his hybrid tech and read about it tirelessly. He opted for the Nissan Note E-Power. It is really an EV with a petrol generator. You don't get the silent drive of an EV due to the petrol engine cutting in regularly to charge the battery, but you do get the power and torque of an EV motor with good acceleration too. A bit bland to drive compared to the old Insight spaceship but a pretty good compromise and not crazy expensive to buy.
I returned my 2022 i3S after the lease ended and then bought a 2017 Yaris hybrid. Ironically due to our expensive public charging in Sweden my hybrid is cheaper per km than the EV 🤣 I still got that Toyota warranty to 2027 and by 2026 I hope the EV landscape has changed. For example, being able to charge near my apartment WITHOUT paying 300% of the normal going electricity rate AND needing to supply my own charging cable.
Infiniti Q50S/Skyline 350GT hybrid here - KERS-style elec motor attached to the torque converter (so it is affected by gear selection). No Plugin.... Huge effect of changing tires/wheels on these types (lighter wheels and non-run flat light tires has almost doubled the rate that the car runs in EV mode).
@@wannadownload I've got the 2.5 myself and it's plenty of power and great economy. 13.4km/L (approx). I've never driven the 3.5 but would love to own one
I live in a place where a normal petrol's road tax is the same as that of a hybrid. The issuing authority does the tax calculation by engine displacement, so say you drive a 1.8L Prius, you pay pretty much the same price as someone with a NA 2.0L. Meanwhile full EV have their own tax scale where it's done by weight on the road, and ends up overall 50-60% cheaper than an ICE vehicle. Governments need to adjust current policies to incentivise people to own hybrids over normal NA, especially now that charging infrastructures aren't really enough to fit the growing needs of EVs, hybrids should be a sweet spot balancing emissions.
Living in a large city, a full EV makes sense unless you don't have a garage with power. In a semi rural area, with say 300 ks to a major city, a petrol hybrid makes more sense . In an isolated area, EV power doesn't make much sense at all.
Trying to grasp this concept in the UK where 300ks will take you from one side of the country to the other 😂 I grew up in a rural area 15ks from a big city
Nailed it mate nailed it. I’ve now had good rental experiences of both the full hybrid and EV and no matter how the EV Kool Aid drunk mob (oh yes, I’ve met at least one …) shames me for “not believing in the convenience on charging options all the way from Sydney to the Gold Coast”, I’d get an EV in a heartbeat for our second/city car, but there’s no way we’ll take one out for a regional trip of more than one day … 300km real world highway driving range simply kills the holiday experience …
Doing long distances in EVs is constantly getting easier, with new infrastructure being installed all the time, existing charging infrastructure being upgraded, and longer range EVs getting cheaper and more efficient. A lot of EV owners have already circumnavigated Australia and travelled from one side to the other.
we have a Crown hybrid, its a weapon, comfortable for a family , and even though we dont do the best type of driving for a hybrid (a fair bit of 100km/h running from the Fleurieu to Adelaide ) still average low 8l/100km out of it, which i think is astounding! Would love to live with a Nismo Note S for a while and see what they get fuel consumption wise, and how well they go
Hi. I had an audi q7 e-tron and from my perspective it's an amazing car. I was 40K euros with 200K kilometers and I still love that car...I sold it, but I still love that care :))
I like the BMW I3 since it was designed to be light and efficient as well as RWD and nice to drive, originally a full EV it later came with a range extender / petrol generator, it doesn't keep the battery completely topped up while driving but you won't be stuck when you have nowhere to charge.
I've had my Toyota Prius C for 9.5 years... not an issue with the Hybrid it's been great.. The one thing I would say though. is the Hybrid is useless in rural driving. There is very little to no engagement of it until I get to town.. But when I lived in the city.. it was AMAZING I lived on the outskirts of Melbourne suburbs and could drive into the city and home again for less than it cost to catch the train!! Whilst I'm currently looking for a bigger car I'm also not looking at Hybrid or EV tech as it's either not worth it or to expensive. I'd be interested to know what you guys think about buying Hybrid 2nd hand though.
Yes hybrid and electrical cars have so many advantages in the city. Outside of the city traffic no big difference with the normal petrol engine cars. I think Toyota is first number on the hybrid technology. Additionally hybrid cars can supply their max torque from 1000 rpm. Finally, I would like to be owner a Toyota Prius one day.
Can I confirm it is only the current epower hybrid offering from Nissan that is a petrol generator for an electric drive train and not older Nissan hybrid offerings?
Drove a Corolla hybrid recently (hire car) was impressed on how seamlessly it worked, suggest try one of those. If you looking for a really bad hybrid fiat panda…it’s a shocker!! What about bmw i3 with range extender?
We've thought seriously about a PHEV (Sorrento) but for the extra asking price we still would've spent less on fuel just by using diesel only. We've had model S too but living in Vic and paying the extra road tax so we've moved it on. There's better EV makers than Tesla BUT...the Tesla charging network is what makes it more viable to own.
@clives4501 I totally agree with this. It's nice to have full tank within 5-10 min plus a drink on the way out. We've experimented with EV and have moved on. I only mention Tesla charging network for those who are interested in EV.
Well I highly recommend the 2016 to 2021/2 Honda Vezel Hr-v hybrid in Z spec or RS spec etc an absolutely brilliant car to drive & has allot of good tech & fantastic petrol economy 3.7L per 100kms for the price, I'm considering buying my 2nd one at $17k for a 2017 hybrid Vezel Z spec tge other model to consider is the Toyota Raize Hybrid from 2018 or newer that does 3L per 100kms
I'm very interested in your guys' take on the battery life in old hybrids and how old is too old to feel safe about it. I've seen a few stories about people who've owned otherwise reliable hybrids for only 10 years and a required battery replacement has cost close to as much as the car did new.
@johnperry7534 answers your question quite clearly a few comments down, with real world experience, not what his mates uncles brothers cousin told him.
I don't think Ford Australia offer a full hybrid. Our Escape is a PHEV and I think the Puma is about to offer the same. Might change with the Ranger/Everest soon.
I've always wondered if hybrids work for us out bush, where we're not braking as often, and therefore there is little regen braking to charge the batteries.
I am going with the Volvo v60 phev. Want a station wagon. Do not trust the infrastructure enough to go full EV. The Volvo gives me the option of all EV and from all reports is very good about keeping things in order if I just go hybrid letting it decide whether petrol, EV or a combination is best. I decided against the mild hybrid because it doesn't improve on the gas mileage I already get with my petrol. My thinking is that it will be another decade before the infrastructure is really ready, reliable and easy. In the meantime, I won't have range anxiety and can plan my travel route my way.
I love my 530E, the range is perfect for my usecase. 90% of time im running on battery power, i would usually go to gas station 2-3 times a month now i go maybe once every 2 months lol but if you are doing bigger mileage per day then i dont think hybrid is right for you
Well Maerio, that's a fact based analysis which I shall rely upon in my decision making process. My current SS Thunder Ute will be up for renewal in another 27 or so years, so I'd appreciate any updates on advances in ev tech that I should consider as 2050 approaches.
Thanks again for another awesome episode. I just bought a 2014 Lexus 300h and absolutely love it. Agree totally with your initial comments on EV tech and what is deemed ‘environmentally friendly’. Surely until we are ready to make a complete leap into a new tech (EV or Hydrogen for that matter) Hybrid makes complete sense.
A hybrid or pure EV makes a lot of sense with the volatile fuel prices, especially if you have a home solar set-up. If you are going to keep a vehicle for a while [-say six years], then it can help buffer you from fuel price increases. Are fossil fuels like petrol and diesel going to be available in the future? They may be "sort of" available, but you will have to pay whatever the price is. The biggest issue with a hybrid or EV is battery life, because you will have to replace it eventually, and that is expensive. Given the higher prices of EVs and hybrids, you probably should keep them for 10 years if new, and less years depending on how old it is. UNLESS you know that 8 year old whatever actually just had its battery replaced with an OEM battery or one that is better. A pure EV is usually twice the price of an ICE vehicle, with hybrids usually somewhere in between. The plug-in hybrids tend to be about the same price as the pure EV ones. But with the pure EVs, you can get range anxiety. Even worse, with the recent lock-downs due to COVID, demand is exceeding supply, with long waiting lists for most cars, ICE, hybrid or EV, so it is probably best to wait a year or two, until the market settles down. If you are prepared to put a deposit down and go on a waiting list for six months or a year, that is a big signal to a dealer that you want the car no matter what, even if there are exit clauses, etc. Expect some variations in both price and specs by the time you get your mitts on one.
There are plug-in hybrids out there (I can only think of one in Australia and that’s discontinued the Hyundai Ioniq Plug In) that do both well, so it has say 50km of range, enough to go to work and back but it becomes a regular parallel hybrid with less than around 4.5l or so per 100km when not charged so you don’t have to charge it everyday 😊 The new Prius Prime is another example, and that isn’t coming to Australia :( Saying that I love the Hyundai Ioniq hybrid I have right now less than 4l per 100km is amazing
Great video, so informative! I’d prefer a hybrid over a full EV. When it comes to focusing on efficiency, are there vehicles that use diesel and hybrid? Would that be a good idea?
Cost is a major factor, diesel engines are already more expensive than petrol engines to manufacture. Adding hybrid makes them cost ineffective. Petrol engines also operate with higher horsepower and torque up top in the rev range, which is suited to high-speed driving. Diesels have torque down low in the rev range, which is great for low speeds. The electric motors in hybrids have high torque and generally use their electric engines for low-speed driving. So it doesn't make sense to have a diesel hybrid with two low-speed, high torque motors. Plenty of info out there about it 😊
My only worry is the price of chanching the battery. I feel like if you really want to have ev go for full ev. I dont really want to buy a hybrid with all the maintainance costs of traditional cars and all the costs of ev. Its all fun and gamea till you have to drop 10k on a new battery system.
I have hybrid RAV4, so far around 5.0l /100km, on highways, speed around 120 - 130 km/h, it goes around 6.5l /100km. So perfectly sensible. I love it. I can get as low as 3.5l if I try, on normal trips on country roads, if I want to enjoy, switching to sport mode and yeey. Consumption still around 6l.
It depends on how it works as they are all different. Toyota hybrids use the Atkinson cycle in their petrol engines which sacrifices power for better economy. They then add the power back in the form of the electric motors. In practice it definitely saves fuel on long highway trips where the petrol engine is doing most of the work. My prius gets 23-24 km per litre on long highway trips. My wife's non hybrid corolla with the non hybrid, non atkinson version of the same 1.8 litre engine could only manage about 15 km/l on the same trips. Some Other hybrids don't do this and will in some cases use more fuel than non hybrids on long trips.
At last ... Someone understands the vageries of EV in Australia. Unless you live un a major city full EV is pointless. My friends drive way is 50 km of unpaved track towing a horse float the 1½hrs to town would be a nightmare.
I’m going to say yes ( now don’t get me wrong I own a R33 and a S15 ) but if I need to go for a drive I use the family Prius why 27-33 km per liter and it’s an Alfa so station wagon it’s safe it’s nice to drive and I never have to worry about anything going wrong cause Toyota 😂 but I’m still a Nissan guys oh it’s so painful to type that 😂
hybrids in general are a lot more complicated so (potentially) more problematic and more expensive to repair partly because of the intermediate systems required to engage and disengage the 2 drive systems, also the Nissan e-power system isn't strictly speaking a hybrid, it's a hybrid-electric system, so technically it's an EV but with 2 power sources. A hybrid has 2 (or more) "drive systems" connected to the wheels where as the Nisan e-power has 2 "power systems, (petrol+battery)" connected to a single "drive system" (electric motor) which I personally think is a better setup.
Some parts of hybrids are more complex, but in many ways they are also simpler than regular non hybrid cars. For example on the toyotas there are no belts, pulleys, starter, alternator or vacuum lines. Also the transmission has no clutches, belts, cones, or torque converter. It's not really two separate drive systems, more like two power sources driving through a single drive line. Yes the battery and inverter add complication, a but also require little to no maintenance. My hybrid is far lower maintenance than almost any other car I have owned, and is far easier to work on without all that other stuff in the way.
Great overview. I’m still not persuaded about being half pregnant though. I love my current naturally aspirated internal combustion dinosaur. My next car (probably many years away) will be a pure EV. Why have the weight and complexity of both systems AND the added complexity of the interaction between the 2. I reckon the hybrids will crash out on resale value.
I personally think Hybrids are better than EVs in general for the reasons you stated in the video Adam plus in theory they have more versatility in cities and densely populated areas as the amount of CO2 produced by them the trees and plants in the cities should be able to handle. Will you guys be doing a best Plugin, Full and Mild Hybrids to buy using the smallest to biggest formula? Good video guys though the red flags to look for on buying a used hybrid was missing unless your doing that as a separate video? As usual guys keep up the good work and look forward to Friday's video 👍.
Ah yes, what can the trees and plants handle? Such an important consideration and we can obviously trust the gov't agencies to own the science and inform us accordingly.
Hats off to Toyota for creating and sticking to their guns with Hybrid! Hybrid has given us 20yrs of CO2 reductions and excellent longevity, only to be undone by 2.7yrs uptake of the insidious EV… I hope EV owners can see past their smugness, eventually!
I've had a watch of "Car Care Nut" - for your research. He has nothing good to say about the mild hybrid systems. Interested in what ReDriven have to say on the crop of mild hybrids we have on the market now when you're looking at the recommendations for that future video.
cant beat a toyota hybrid system they have been doing it for over 20 years and just look at the waiting times for toyota hybrids kinda says something heah
They're not changing for existing and cars sold now for decades. Imagine banning the use of Australians LandCruisers and Rangers. There would be riots in every city in Australia
Well Rod, it seems obvious the way laws re vehicle emissions, are heading. Just look at London's Mayor Sadiq Khan and his despised (by many) ELEZ policies. Do we want to be forced into ev's by central planners? The Bladerunners in the Uk are cutting down cameras necesary to enforce the ULEZ scheme. It appears that civil disobedience (and even illegal acts of vandalism) may be the only way to preserve the right to operate an ICE powered vehicle. If you are not up for a fight, perhaps submit to the will of big brother and ditch your ICE in favour of an ev. What a world we are living in!
Used hybrids seem to be super expensive due to Uber drivers favouring them. Probably makes them a decent new buy with resale, but paying $15K for a ten year old Camry seems like poor value. My plan is to buy an EV in a couple of years, mostly charge it off rooftop solar, and keep my 20 year old Falcon for the trips where an EV isn't convenient.
If the government want to encourage take up of EVs they should be giving us a discount on registration having one as a 2nd car.. it's like an extra $800/yr here, maybe I'll look into a classic car for the discounted registration options.
TBH, any modern EV already makes sense for the vast majority of Australians. Half of our population lives in just 3 cities and two thirds in all of our capital cities. The release of MG4/Ora/Dolphin is going to force down the used pricing of used older model EV's as well. The cheapest hybrid 12th gen corolla (2018+) on Carsales RN is $22k, 2nd gen Nissan leafs are $25k.
Consumers are becoming wary of used EV’s though! To replace an EV battery is easily $10,000+, to replace a hybrid battery is around $5,000 or less (depending on supplier, ReManufactured). So by buying a used Hybrid you get non of the EV shortfalls, you can budget in a far less expensive battery replacement and should the battery fail… you can still get to where you need to be.😁 …oh, and Hybrids are just far more environmentally friendly than EV’s anyway!
@lukeclifton4392 Got some sources for those numbers mate, I keep hearing big numbers but they all seem to be a mate of a mate said. If you are going to throw in OEM, why would you buy OEM, you replace tyres, traditional battery from a third party because OEM is too expensive. The principal is the same.
@@lukeclifton4392 Not really. Data from the Model S shows that over 320000kms (200000 miles), Model S's only lost around 12% of range. Considering that the average driving amount is less than 15000km a year, thats not really an issue. Also some modern EV's from around a year ago have LFP batteries which are much more resilient.
The analogy your implying with OEM vs aftermarket doesn’t make sense… tyres, brake pads, 12v battery are “consumable” items which rarely impact the longevity of a vehicle when maintained correctly. EV batteries work on a feedback system and are constantly monitored by the vehicle, and as such are easily used by manufacturers and insurance to void a claims on repairs. An OEM replacement EV battery is still hideously expensive, a remanufactured is cheaper (and quiet often with great warranty, however voids factory vehicle warranty). At the end of the day consumers still paid extra $$ for an EV that can’t compete in longevity/CO2 footprint to its cheaper ICE/Hybrid brother, and if the owner were to pay for the replacement battery after 200,000km (being generous), they just added further to the CO2 footprint, if they didn’t… it’s another vehicle gone to scrap. Considering an EV battery is almost 1/3 the cost of the vehicle… you know what most people are going to do.
I drive a Camry Hybrid. I get a range of 850kms to a 50litre tank. Stick with Toyota hybrids people, they are super refined, cheap to maintain and cheap to run. It’s the cheapest car to run and own that I’ve ever had.
You dove in pretty hard on EVs with what could be considered inaccurate information. While the production of an EV may on average create around 20% more CO2, depending on battery size, once it's built, it's not generating any tailpipe emissions and offsets the additional CO2 produced during manufacture fairly quickly. An ICE vehicle that refined liquid fuel that needs to be mined, refined, transported half way around the world, shipped across the country and eventually sold and burnt in a combustion engine, spewing out toxic fumes and CO2, and will do so over its lifetime. One thing that is lacking in your overview of hybrids compared to EVs is maintenance. The cost of running a hybrid is higher than an EV, as you still have to do maintenance on the ICE engine. Sure, EVs require some maintenance, tyres, wiper blades, brake fluid every few years, coolant and maybe ATF around once a decade, that's about it. Regarding charging networks, while additional charging infrastructure is needed, particularly for road trips and for those who can't charge at home, a lot of EV owners do simply charge at home, as to PHEV owners, but any EV can charge from a regular power point, albeit slowly. Going back to hybrids, typical things to watch out for in the Toyota/Lexus hybrids are the cooling filters and ducts getting clogged which causes heating and premature battery degradation. EV mode in those typically will provide less than a kilometre of range at under 40 Kph. Sadly, older Outlander PHEV models didn't have great thermal management for their batteries, so some were susceptible to premature degradation which lowered the EV range. I have heard that some owners have had issues getting the batteries replaced under warranty, but for vehicles out of warranty, there are a number of 3rd party EV shops that can replace cells. The newer 2023 models apparently have a lot better thermal management.
So if we could all buy used hybrids that would be kinder on the planet because then we wouldn't have to buy new EVs or new hybrids or new cars at all? So just stop buying new cars is the answer? But if for some reason we did have to keep buying new cars, what would be kinder on the planet?
I would love to know what marketing genius dreamed up the plug-in hybrid concept. It is easily the very worst of all possible worlds, akin to trying to fashion a parachute out of old watermelon rind. And like such a contraption, the end result is not going to be pretty. I can't imagine what kind of people fall for plug-in hybrids, but one must assume they are not overly gifted when it comes to active neurons in the prefrontal cortex.
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Here across the ditch in New Zealand, when 91 is $3 a litre (again) spending $50 a month to do 500km in a 2013 Toyota Aqua/PriusC is totally worth it. I talked my parents into get a hybrid to replace their 90s Nissan Primera wagon, they got a Toyota Yaris Cross hybrid - and they Loooove it, mum went from spending $50-100 a week on petrol to $60-70 a Month.
In this day and age, you gotta find all the savings you can!
Daughter has a Toyota Yaris Cross Hybrid, around 80k on it, she bought it when they were released.
Does a lot of highway k's, has averaged 3.7 litres per hundred from its first day.
Never missed a beat.
Pretty hard to argue with that.
Except for the way it looks!!
@@Bill-ki4zf and drives... and how awful the interior is
I own a Lexus IS 300h and it's the BEST car i've ever owned. Economical, good looking, reliable, nice to drive thanks to the low sitting position. I just love it.
How great are they!!! Love mine.
Same here. I own IS 300h and NX 300h. Both are awesome, but somehow I prefer driving the IS mainly due to rear wheel drive, low sitting position and sharp steering. It’s an awesome, underrated car, just as good performance wise as the BMW 3 series but much more reliable and also better looking.
How does the CVT feel vs the IS350?
@@paulklp8262 I’ve never driven the IS 350 but I’ve driven the IS 200t/300 with traditional automatic gearbox. I think it had 8 gears. I much preferred e-CVT in the hybrid. It’s way smoother, response is instantaneous and it makes the engine very quiet in normal driving. Gearbox in the IS 200t was slow and unresponsive.
Great job on explaining the different types of hybrids. I know so many people who have no idea there are multiple types, so this helps to clear up the pros and cons of each type. I am impressed with my Prius hybrid, just makes so much sense. 200,000km on it so far and no work has been done on hybrid system or battery. In the 100,000km i have owned it,i have only had to replace the thermostat and clean the egr ports in the intake manifold. Both of these jobs i did myself and they were pretty easy to do.
Great work mate but Toyota nails it with the hybrid
I’ve flogged our 2006 hybrid and it’s 298000 kilometres on the clock , over ten years I’ve spent nothing on it and just replaced the drive battery for 2600 bucks new from Toyota and that’s the only cash I’ve spent on this car which is going strong has been Sydney to cairns , cairns to Darwin , Darwin to Sydney and Sydney to Perth where we live now it’s a bloody star of a car and I’ve had v8 s trucks, sedans, utes, this is the best car for an old bugger like me it’s terrific and when it does finish I will buy the Camry new which is terrific to drive and has bugger all fuel use . Per kilometre it’s cheaper than a big motorcycle . It’s giving me 4.4 to 4.7 kilometres per litre but I’ve done better when it was younger. It’s not exciting but it’s pretty exciting when I don’t fill it up for a couple of weeks and it’s still got plenty of fuel even driving every day . Even the old traction battery I had fun with removing and reinstalling and cleaning the bus bars it’s fun for a backyard tinkerer too. Have to say though I do change out all the fluids and transmission fluid frequently to keep him alive .
Our 2022 Rav4 hybrid has travelled 40,000k at a fuel average of 5.9 litres per 100k. Majority open road driving. It is 4wd and you can feel the extra go provided by the 2 electric motors when you heavily accelerate. It is a very good car and has had no issues whatsoever.
I daily drive A Nissan “Nismo S”Note and I love it !
Coming from driving a Lexus ISF & a Mercedes S63 AMG u can’t beat the Nissan Hybrid.
I’m getting just over a 1000klms of city driving on $68.
Why wouldn’t you??
I have Coilovers fitted, Nismo sway bars, Bridgestone adrenaline RE003 tyres fitted and mine also has the factory Nismo Recaro seats fitted and this thing is a little weapon!
I live at the top of a mountain so driving up 3-6 times a day in this little thing puts a smile on my face !
The S model is 30% faster than the standard Nissan Nismo Note and with the suspension tweaked in “Sports mode” & the seats hugging you it’s the most fun u can have-on $68 at a cost of $30-35k for the vehicle.
Who said hybrids are boring…
RE-Driven if you wanna do a review on my Nismo Note happy to let you take it through its paces!
Thinking about getting a Nissan Nismo Note, but I love the 5L from the Lexus ISF. Do you still have the Nissan? Ever miss the ISF? I'd love to hear about your experience.
The current generation of Toyota hybrid transaxle and inverter circuitry are hands down the most durable and reliable the industry has to offer. It's a no brainer really.
Love wipertech - don't mind the ad at all. Great information / resources in these videos thanks
I've got to say I'm converted, I've owned a hybrid for 6 months and it's amazing. It's fast, clever and costs very little to run or charge. The only drawback is the loss of range using the a/c system which typically wipes around 5 miles of the range. The car is the VW Golf GTE 2019.
One of the recent Big Car videos is about this very thing, that hybrids are much more sensible (at least right now) than an EV. Much cheaper too.
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1 week into owning a Hybrid RAV4…ok my wife is one week into owning a Hybrid RAV4, apparently I own too many motorcycles…
Anyway so far, so good. Full electric wasn’t really a consideration due to cost, living regionally and this is our primary vehicle.
Being a bit of a classic car nerd I bought a 1st gen Honda Insight because it's impossibly cool. Sadly the hybrid system is somewhat antiquated being 23 years old in design terms, but still works and is cheap on petrol and fun to drive. My late father was really into his hybrid tech and read about it tirelessly. He opted for the Nissan Note E-Power. It is really an EV with a petrol generator. You don't get the silent drive of an EV due to the petrol engine cutting in regularly to charge the battery, but you do get the power and torque of an EV motor with good acceleration too. A bit bland to drive compared to the old Insight spaceship but a pretty good compromise and not crazy expensive to buy.
I returned my 2022 i3S after the lease ended and then bought a 2017 Yaris hybrid. Ironically due to our expensive public charging in Sweden my hybrid is cheaper per km than the EV 🤣 I still got that Toyota warranty to 2027 and by 2026 I hope the EV landscape has changed. For example, being able to charge near my apartment WITHOUT paying 300% of the normal going electricity rate AND needing to supply my own charging cable.
Porsche 918 Spyder is a plug-in hybrid I would like. 😁
Infiniti Q50S/Skyline 350GT hybrid here - KERS-style elec motor attached to the torque converter (so it is affected by gear selection). No Plugin....
Huge effect of changing tires/wheels on these types (lighter wheels and non-run flat light tires has almost doubled the rate that the car runs in EV mode).
Hands down best hybrid is the Toyota Crown. I've got one myself and I love it
Would you reckon the 2.5l hybrid better for fuel economy or go for the 3.5l for more power?
@@wannadownload I've got the 2.5 myself and it's plenty of power and great economy. 13.4km/L (approx). I've never driven the 3.5 but would love to own one
Plz talk about change battery and why hybrid is cheaper than full patrol version
I live in a place where a normal petrol's road tax is the same as that of a hybrid. The issuing authority does the tax calculation by engine displacement, so say you drive a 1.8L Prius, you pay pretty much the same price as someone with a NA 2.0L. Meanwhile full EV have their own tax scale where it's done by weight on the road, and ends up overall 50-60% cheaper than an ICE vehicle.
Governments need to adjust current policies to incentivise people to own hybrids over normal NA, especially now that charging infrastructures aren't really enough to fit the growing needs of EVs, hybrids should be a sweet spot balancing emissions.
Living in a large city, a full EV makes sense unless you don't have a garage with power.
In a semi rural area, with say 300 ks to a major city, a petrol hybrid makes more sense .
In an isolated area, EV power doesn't make much sense at all.
This! 👏🏾
Trying to grasp this concept in the UK where 300ks will take you from one side of the country to the other 😂 I grew up in a rural area 15ks from a big city
@@TheClumsySpectre2 Then again Australia is 32 times as big as the UK.
Nailed it mate nailed it. I’ve now had good rental experiences of both the full hybrid and EV and no matter how the EV Kool Aid drunk mob (oh yes, I’ve met at least one …) shames me for “not believing in the convenience on charging options all the way from Sydney to the Gold Coast”, I’d get an EV in a heartbeat for our second/city car, but there’s no way we’ll take one out for a regional trip of more than one day … 300km real world highway driving range simply kills the holiday experience …
Doing long distances in EVs is constantly getting easier, with new infrastructure being installed all the time, existing charging infrastructure being upgraded, and longer range EVs getting cheaper and more efficient. A lot of EV owners have already circumnavigated Australia and travelled from one side to the other.
I Own A 2019 Kia Niro Ex And Absolutely Love It
we have a Crown hybrid, its a weapon, comfortable for a family , and even though we dont do the best type of driving for a hybrid (a fair bit of 100km/h running from the Fleurieu to Adelaide ) still average low 8l/100km out of it, which i think is astounding!
Would love to live with a Nismo Note S for a while and see what they get fuel consumption wise, and how well they go
Hi. I had an audi q7 e-tron and from my perspective it's an amazing car. I was 40K euros with 200K kilometers and I still love that car...I sold it, but I still love that care :))
Nothing on the Volvo S60 T8 Recharge???
I like the BMW I3 since it was designed to be light and efficient as well as RWD and nice to drive, originally a full EV it later came with a range extender / petrol generator, it doesn't keep the battery completely topped up while driving but you won't be stuck when you have nowhere to charge.
I've had my Toyota Prius C for 9.5 years... not an issue with the Hybrid it's been great.. The one thing I would say though. is the Hybrid is useless in rural driving. There is very little to no engagement of it until I get to town.. But when I lived in the city.. it was AMAZING I lived on the outskirts of Melbourne suburbs and could drive into the city and home again for less than it cost to catch the train!! Whilst I'm currently looking for a bigger car I'm also not looking at Hybrid or EV tech as it's either not worth it or to expensive. I'd be interested to know what you guys think about buying Hybrid 2nd hand though.
It seems that many who have owned an ev would not go down that path again. So many drawbacks when compared to proven ICE tech and infrastructure.
Yes hybrid and electrical cars have so many advantages in the city. Outside of the city traffic no big difference with the normal petrol engine cars. I think Toyota is first number on the hybrid technology. Additionally hybrid cars can supply their max torque from 1000 rpm. Finally, I would like to be owner a Toyota Prius one day.
Can I confirm it is only the current epower hybrid offering from Nissan that is a petrol generator for an electric drive train and not older Nissan hybrid offerings?
Drove a Corolla hybrid recently (hire car) was impressed on how seamlessly it worked, suggest try one of those. If you looking for a really bad hybrid fiat panda…it’s a shocker!! What about bmw i3 with range extender?
We've thought seriously about a PHEV (Sorrento) but for the extra asking price we still would've spent less on fuel just by using diesel only. We've had model S too but living in Vic and paying the extra road tax so we've moved it on. There's better EV makers than Tesla BUT...the Tesla charging network is what makes it more viable to own.
The petrol/diesel network is pretty good. Why would anyone deny the benefits of that?
@clives4501 I totally agree with this. It's nice to have full tank within 5-10 min plus a drink on the way out. We've experimented with EV and have moved on. I only mention Tesla charging network for those who are interested in EV.
@@hellothere4342 Appreciate your feedback and honesty. All the best from Australia.
Well I highly recommend the 2016 to 2021/2
Honda Vezel Hr-v hybrid
in Z spec or RS spec etc an absolutely brilliant car to drive & has allot of good tech & fantastic petrol economy 3.7L per 100kms for the price, I'm considering buying my 2nd one at $17k for a 2017 hybrid Vezel Z spec
tge other model to consider is the Toyota Raize Hybrid from 2018 or newer that does 3L per 100kms
I'm very interested in your guys' take on the battery life in old hybrids and how old is too old to feel safe about it. I've seen a few stories about people who've owned otherwise reliable hybrids for only 10 years and a required battery replacement has cost close to as much as the car did new.
@johnperry7534 answers your question quite clearly a few comments down, with real world experience, not what his mates uncles brothers cousin told him.
@@jeeves6490yep exactly lol. Go ask uber drivers, they drive hybrid camrys for a reason
we have a Lexus L600h, the long wheelbase with the rear luxury option a fantastic hybrid
I'm concerned about the longevity and maintenance costs of all these hybrids.. are they going to last as long as a conventional engine?
I don't think Ford Australia offer a full hybrid. Our Escape is a PHEV and I think the Puma is about to offer the same. Might change with the Ranger/Everest soon.
I've always wondered if hybrids work for us out bush, where we're not braking as often, and therefore there is little regen braking to charge the batteries.
I am going with the Volvo v60 phev. Want a station wagon. Do not trust the infrastructure enough to go full EV. The Volvo gives me the option of all EV and from all reports is very good about keeping things in order if I just go hybrid letting it decide whether petrol, EV or a combination is best. I decided against the mild hybrid because it doesn't improve on the gas mileage I already get with my petrol. My thinking is that it will be another decade before the infrastructure is really ready, reliable and easy. In the meantime, I won't have range anxiety and can plan my travel route my way.
I love my 530E, the range is perfect for my usecase. 90% of time im running on battery power, i would usually go to gas station 2-3 times a month now i go maybe once every 2 months lol but if you are doing bigger mileage per day then i dont think hybrid is right for you
Well Maerio, that's a fact based analysis which I shall rely upon in my decision making process. My current SS Thunder Ute will be up for renewal in another 27 or so years, so I'd appreciate any updates on advances in ev tech that I should consider as 2050 approaches.
got to keep in mind that full EV's and plug in hybrids are going to have the per km tax here, I don't think the typical toyota hybrid will.
Any chance of reviewing the MG5 Vibe/Essence?
Thanks again for another awesome episode. I just bought a 2014 Lexus 300h and absolutely love it.
Agree totally with your initial comments on EV tech and what is deemed ‘environmentally friendly’. Surely until we are ready to make a complete leap into a new tech (EV or Hydrogen for that matter) Hybrid makes complete sense.
Is it the ES, GS or IS?
@@damilolaakanni IS
Would love to know why there aren’t currently any diesel hybrids. I honestly thought the new Prado would be a full hybrid.
A hybrid or pure EV makes a lot of sense with the volatile fuel prices, especially if you have a home solar set-up. If you are going to keep a vehicle for a while [-say six years], then it can help buffer you from fuel price increases. Are fossil fuels like petrol and diesel going to be available in the future? They may be "sort of" available, but you will have to pay whatever the price is.
The biggest issue with a hybrid or EV is battery life, because you will have to replace it eventually, and that is expensive.
Given the higher prices of EVs and hybrids, you probably should keep them for 10 years if new, and less years depending on how old it is. UNLESS you know that 8 year old whatever actually just had its battery replaced with an OEM battery or one that is better.
A pure EV is usually twice the price of an ICE vehicle, with hybrids usually somewhere in between. The plug-in hybrids tend to be about the same price as the pure EV ones. But with the pure EVs, you can get range anxiety.
Even worse, with the recent lock-downs due to COVID, demand is exceeding supply, with long waiting lists for most cars, ICE, hybrid or EV, so it is probably best to wait a year or two, until the market settles down.
If you are prepared to put a deposit down and go on a waiting list for six months or a year, that is a big signal to a dealer that you want the car no matter what, even if there are exit clauses, etc. Expect some variations in both price and specs by the time you get your mitts on one.
Be good if you would include data on reliability and maintenance of the hybrids as well as the cost of replacement of those batteries.
There are plug-in hybrids out there (I can only think of one in Australia and that’s discontinued the Hyundai Ioniq Plug In) that do both well, so it has say 50km of range, enough to go to work and back but it becomes a regular parallel hybrid with less than around 4.5l or so per 100km when not charged so you don’t have to charge it everyday 😊
The new Prius Prime is another example, and that isn’t coming to Australia :(
Saying that I love the Hyundai Ioniq hybrid I have right now less than 4l per 100km is amazing
Great video, so informative! I’d prefer a hybrid over a full EV.
When it comes to focusing on efficiency, are there vehicles that use diesel and hybrid? Would that be a good idea?
Cost is a major factor, diesel engines are already more expensive than petrol engines to manufacture. Adding hybrid makes them cost ineffective.
Petrol engines also operate with higher horsepower and torque up top in the rev range, which is suited to high-speed driving.
Diesels have torque down low in the rev range, which is great for low speeds.
The electric motors in hybrids have high torque and generally use their electric engines for low-speed driving.
So it doesn't make sense to have a diesel hybrid with two low-speed, high torque motors.
Plenty of info out there about it 😊
And how long does it take to break even for the price premium that you pay for a new hybrid?
8th year of the iMMD owner, quite like hybrid, no range issue, "re-charge " in 5 minutes....
My only worry is the price of chanching the battery. I feel like if you really want to have ev go for full ev. I dont really want to buy a hybrid with all the maintainance costs of traditional cars and all the costs of ev. Its all fun and gamea till you have to drop 10k on a new battery system.
You have no clue, toyota charge 1.5k to replace camry batteries. Speak to uber drivers.
How does a hybrid save fuel on along country trip ? Is it worth it for people doing long trips ?
I have hybrid RAV4, so far around 5.0l /100km, on highways, speed around 120 - 130 km/h, it goes around 6.5l /100km. So perfectly sensible. I love it. I can get as low as 3.5l if I try, on normal trips on country roads, if I want to enjoy, switching to sport mode and yeey. Consumption still around 6l.
It depends on how it works as they are all different. Toyota hybrids use the Atkinson cycle in their petrol engines which sacrifices power for better economy. They then add the power back in the form of the electric motors. In practice it definitely saves fuel on long highway trips where the petrol engine is doing most of the work.
My prius gets 23-24 km per litre on long highway trips. My wife's non hybrid corolla with the non hybrid, non atkinson version of the same 1.8 litre engine could only manage about 15 km/l on the same trips. Some Other hybrids don't do this and will in some cases use more fuel than non hybrids on long trips.
@@jamesbrett9537 Thanks for feedback, i get 13km/l out of my 380 , its a bit of work, but saving fuel is fun.
I want a RWD SUV or lifted wagon with an inline turbo 4, do any exist?
BMW X3 or previous gen X1 (or 3/5 series wagons)?
@@deanstyles2567 I think you might have suggested BMW before :) It may be the only way to go, they stuck with RWD longer than other companies.
At last ... Someone understands the vageries of EV in Australia. Unless you live un a major city full EV is pointless. My friends drive way is 50 km of unpaved track towing a horse float the 1½hrs to town would be a nightmare.
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I'll show myself out.
Please do a facelifted 2007 audi A3
I’m going to say yes ( now don’t get me wrong I own a R33 and a S15 ) but if I need to go for a drive I use the family Prius why 27-33 km per liter and it’s an Alfa so station wagon it’s safe it’s nice to drive and I never have to worry about anything going wrong cause Toyota 😂 but I’m still a Nissan guys oh it’s so painful to type that 😂
You should make CT200H review
hybrids in general are a lot more complicated so (potentially) more problematic and more expensive to repair partly because of the intermediate systems required to engage and disengage the 2 drive systems, also the Nissan e-power system isn't strictly speaking a hybrid, it's a hybrid-electric system, so technically it's an EV but with 2 power sources. A hybrid has 2 (or more) "drive systems" connected to the wheels where as the Nisan e-power has 2 "power systems, (petrol+battery)" connected to a single "drive system" (electric motor) which I personally think is a better setup.
Some parts of hybrids are more complex, but in many ways they are also simpler than regular non hybrid cars. For example on the toyotas there are no belts, pulleys, starter, alternator or vacuum lines. Also the transmission has no clutches, belts, cones, or torque converter. It's not really two separate drive systems, more like two power sources driving through a single drive line. Yes the battery and inverter add complication, a but also require little to no maintenance.
My hybrid is far lower maintenance than almost any other car I have owned, and is far easier to work on without all that other stuff in the way.
Great overview.
I’m still not persuaded about being half pregnant though. I love my current naturally aspirated internal combustion dinosaur. My next car (probably many years away) will be a pure EV. Why have the weight and complexity of both systems AND the added complexity of the interaction between the 2. I reckon the hybrids will crash out on resale value.
Will keep my N/A car just drive more carefully😅.
Volvo hybrids are the way to go for me
I personally think Hybrids are better than EVs in general for the reasons you stated in the video Adam plus in theory they have more versatility in cities and densely populated areas as the amount of CO2 produced by them the trees and plants in the cities should be able to handle.
Will you guys be doing a best Plugin, Full and Mild Hybrids to buy using the smallest to biggest formula?
Good video guys though the red flags to look for on buying a used hybrid was missing unless your doing that as a separate video?
As usual guys keep up the good work and look forward to Friday's video 👍.
Ah yes, what can the trees and plants handle? Such an important consideration and we can obviously trust the gov't agencies to own the science and inform us accordingly.
@@clives4501 hence why I said in theory lol
Hats off to Toyota for creating and sticking to their guns with Hybrid!
Hybrid has given us 20yrs of CO2 reductions and excellent longevity, only to be undone by 2.7yrs uptake of the insidious EV… I hope EV owners can see past their smugness, eventually!
You forgot to mention PHEV attracts road tax in VIC
Wow 😳 you didn't knock anyone who smokes... You feeling ok ?
I've had a watch of "Car Care Nut" - for your research. He has nothing good to say about the mild hybrid systems. Interested in what ReDriven have to say on the crop of mild hybrids we have on the market now when you're looking at the recommendations for that future video.
cant beat a toyota hybrid system they have been doing it for over 20 years and just look at the waiting times for toyota hybrids kinda says something heah
I won’t buy a new car unless we have some certainty with where laws concerning vehicle emissions are heading.
They're not changing for existing and cars sold now for decades. Imagine banning the use of Australians LandCruisers and Rangers. There would be riots in every city in Australia
Well Rod, it seems obvious the way laws re vehicle emissions, are heading. Just look at London's Mayor Sadiq Khan and his despised (by many) ELEZ policies. Do we want to be forced into ev's by central planners? The Bladerunners in the Uk are cutting down cameras necesary to enforce the ULEZ scheme. It appears that civil disobedience (and even illegal acts of vandalism) may be the only way to preserve the right to operate an ICE powered vehicle. If you are not up for a fight, perhaps submit to the will of big brother and ditch your ICE in favour of an ev. What a world we are living in!
@@madrx2 they don’t have to ban them, they would only need to put levies on certain vehicles to make life difficult.
@@Rockbottomsurf Yeh I can't imagine the politician that decides to tax them will end up very popular due to our culture. One can only hope anyway.
Used hybrids seem to be super expensive due to Uber drivers favouring them. Probably makes them a decent new buy with resale, but paying $15K for a ten year old Camry seems like poor value.
My plan is to buy an EV in a couple of years, mostly charge it off rooftop solar, and keep my 20 year old Falcon for the trips where an EV isn't convenient.
If the government want to encourage take up of EVs they should be giving us a discount on registration having one as a 2nd car.. it's like an extra $800/yr here, maybe I'll look into a classic car for the discounted registration options.
TBH, any modern EV already makes sense for the vast majority of Australians. Half of our population lives in just 3 cities and two thirds in all of our capital cities. The release of MG4/Ora/Dolphin is going to force down the used pricing of used older model EV's as well. The cheapest hybrid 12th gen corolla (2018+) on Carsales RN is $22k, 2nd gen Nissan leafs are $25k.
Consumers are becoming wary of used EV’s though! To replace an EV battery is easily $10,000+, to replace a hybrid battery is around $5,000 or less (depending on supplier, ReManufactured).
So by buying a used Hybrid you get non of the EV shortfalls, you can budget in a far less expensive battery replacement and should the battery fail… you can still get to where you need to be.😁
…oh, and Hybrids are just far more environmentally friendly than EV’s anyway!
@lukeclifton4392 Got some sources for those numbers mate, I keep hearing big numbers but they all seem to be a mate of a mate said.
If you are going to throw in OEM, why would you buy OEM, you replace tyres, traditional battery from a third party because OEM is too expensive.
The principal is the same.
@@lukeclifton4392 Not really. Data from the Model S shows that over 320000kms (200000 miles), Model S's only lost around 12% of range. Considering that the average driving amount is less than 15000km a year, thats not really an issue. Also some modern EV's from around a year ago have LFP batteries which are much more resilient.
The analogy your implying with OEM vs aftermarket doesn’t make sense… tyres, brake pads, 12v battery are “consumable” items which rarely impact the longevity of a vehicle when maintained correctly. EV batteries work on a feedback system and are constantly monitored by the vehicle, and as such are easily used by manufacturers and insurance to void a claims on repairs. An OEM replacement EV battery is still hideously expensive, a remanufactured is cheaper (and quiet often with great warranty, however voids factory vehicle warranty).
At the end of the day consumers still paid extra $$ for an EV that can’t compete in longevity/CO2 footprint to its cheaper ICE/Hybrid brother, and if the owner were to pay for the replacement battery after 200,000km (being generous), they just added further to the CO2 footprint, if they didn’t… it’s another vehicle gone to scrap.
Considering an EV battery is almost 1/3 the cost of the vehicle… you know what most people are going to do.
@@longnightsofsolace4010 …stop asking Alexa for answers!🤣🤣, they aren’t accurate. If you want the truth you actually have to put the work in.
I drive a Camry Hybrid. I get a range of 850kms to a 50litre tank. Stick with Toyota hybrids people, they are super refined, cheap to maintain and cheap to run. It’s the cheapest car to run and own that I’ve ever had.
This is not about how to buy a Hybrid but rather how to figure out if you really want a hybrid
You dove in pretty hard on EVs with what could be considered inaccurate information. While the production of an EV may on average create around 20% more CO2, depending on battery size, once it's built, it's not generating any tailpipe emissions and offsets the additional CO2 produced during manufacture fairly quickly.
An ICE vehicle that refined liquid fuel that needs to be mined, refined, transported half way around the world, shipped across the country and eventually sold and burnt in a combustion engine, spewing out toxic fumes and CO2, and will do so over its lifetime.
One thing that is lacking in your overview of hybrids compared to EVs is maintenance. The cost of running a hybrid is higher than an EV, as you still have to do maintenance on the ICE engine. Sure, EVs require some maintenance, tyres, wiper blades, brake fluid every few years, coolant and maybe ATF around once a decade, that's about it.
Regarding charging networks, while additional charging infrastructure is needed, particularly for road trips and for those who can't charge at home, a lot of EV owners do simply charge at home, as to PHEV owners, but any EV can charge from a regular power point, albeit slowly.
Going back to hybrids, typical things to watch out for in the Toyota/Lexus hybrids are the cooling filters and ducts getting clogged which causes heating and premature battery degradation. EV mode in those typically will provide less than a kilometre of range at under 40 Kph.
Sadly, older Outlander PHEV models didn't have great thermal management for their batteries, so some were susceptible to premature degradation which lowered the EV range. I have heard that some owners have had issues getting the batteries replaced under warranty, but for vehicles out of warranty, there are a number of 3rd party EV shops that can replace cells. The newer 2023 models apparently have a lot better thermal management.
Why do you say "look" unnecessarily at least twice per minute?
So if we could all buy used hybrids that would be kinder on the planet because then we wouldn't have to buy new EVs or new hybrids or new cars at all? So just stop buying new cars is the answer? But if for some reason we did have to keep buying new cars, what would be kinder on the planet?
Future: Thorium EV
Get Toyota who has multiple generations of hybrid and perfected hybrid already!!! Skip the others
Man, you lost me when you said “self charging hybrid” didn’t wait for Jim
G'day from your chilly capital everyone... ;-)
EV blah blah Hybrid blah blah PHEV blah blah I’ll keep the Stinger 😂
Yeah.,.nah...
You forgot 1 thing, your height. Rav4's are useless over 193cm tall, I feel like that tall guy out of the Simpsons ep, knee's on the wheel....
Nobody cares about the environment when you can’t afford groceries or when homes and cars are ridiculously expensive
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I would love to know what marketing genius dreamed up the plug-in hybrid concept. It is easily the very worst of all possible worlds, akin to trying to fashion a parachute out of old watermelon rind. And like such a contraption, the end result is not going to be pretty. I can't imagine what kind of people fall for plug-in hybrids, but one must assume they are not overly gifted when it comes to active neurons in the prefrontal cortex.
Gullible.
get toyota,
or even honda.
avoid KIA
Hands down best hybrid is the Toyota Crown. I've got one myself and I love it