plymouth Speed camera van parked on yellow line being a hazard !!!PLEASE SHARE!!!
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- This camera guy is clearly parked on a yellow line in hope to extort cash from motorists. he is parked in a restricted stopping area and the spot he picked is causing other motorists to enter oncoming traffic causing a hazard. if i was parked on that yellow line would i be fined YES I WOULD
I hope you reported his presence on waze lol
Hahaha trust me 😂😂
As a general legal principle the police are not permitted to break the law in order to enforce the law.
There are some exceptions for specific instances.
(The police can speed and park almost anywhere to react to a crime being committed such as theft, violence and robbery etc)
But this is not one of them.
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As an example ... a traffic warden who is a civilian employee cannot park his vehicle on yellow lines in order to park up while giving you a ticket for doing exactly the same thing.
That is why they drive around in twos, 1 jumps out to give you the ticket while the other drives around the block looking for the next victim,
(Oops... I should have said offender)
So the police can break simple traffic laws when reacting to a crime but they cannot do this when a crime has not yet been witnessed or reported.
A policeman driving above the speed limit without his blue lights on is committing an offence and can be prosecuted.
A policeman driving under blue lights and speeding when NOT engaged in an emergency response is also committing an offence and can be prosecuted.
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In this situation this guy is not breaking the law while 'REACTING' to a crime that has been committed but actually sitting there breaking the law while 'WAITING' for one to be committed.
The main point here though is that he Is NOT the police but a civilian employee who is NOT exempt but he is working for the very people who are empowered with the authority to prosecute his behaviour.
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It is almost impossible to hold these people to account as you would need someone from the authorities prepared to prosecute their own staff.
And they are the ones who have briefed him on how to conduct himself anyway.
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Same old story, who do you get to govern the governors.
It is the vehicle that is exempt, not the occupant.
All Traffic Regulation Orders allow liveried police, fire and ambulance vehicles to park where other vehicles are prohibited. In the case of the fire brigade and ambulance service, the vehicle must be attending an emergency, however marked police vehicles can park in otherwise prohibited places under any circumstances."
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/illegal_parking_of_police_vehicl_2#incoming-334101
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However, all the vans are (Devon & Cornwall) police vehicles which are afforded certain exemptions from parking restrictions when carrying out speed enforcement and includes permission from our partners to park on highway verges."
www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/12-myths-devon-s-speed-cameras-debunked/story-28600062-detail/story.html
Just one point in your answer, yes a constable has extended powers under the road traffic act, so is not actually breaking the law, in order to enforce the law. But a civilian speed camera operator has no such powers. And in fact, should that civilian be operating a police marked vehicle? Almost a deception fooling the public into thinking a police constable is present if required in an emergency?
@@philgreen815
Yep, totally agree with you but it has since been pointed out to me that in this situation the police authority is allocated to the vehicle and not necessarily the actual user of the vehicle.
So the van can be parked anywhere [within reason] because it is a designated police vehicle, and the fact that the person in it is a civilian engaged in police business is after the fact.
[As usual …… ‘do as we say, and not as we do’ because we are exempt from the law and you are not.]
What happend to our police force? Is it all about money for HM revenue now?
Yep unfortunately
The Australian coppers are the biggest culprits for this and it's all about revenue-raising and not accident prevention as they want the ordinary geezer to believe! Yeah right - and we're all born yesterday! You do the maths!
While our country is turning to dog shit with violence and drugs the police are making up their targets by targeting the motorist as its an easy target
Too right, mate! Couldn't agree more! They keep telling us that the traffic accident rate has fallen. Really? What's the old saying: "Seeing is Believing" really mean? Are we as a nation really that gullible or that the ordinary man in the street really that stupid? They try to convince us that this approach is working while in reality, their coffers swelled immeasurably! Meanwhile, violent crimes remain on the rise, and the coppers are finding it too hard to keep that under control even though they're trained for that. (It doesn't take a degree in advanced Physics to work that out!) So instead, it's just easy money from targeting "soft" targets like motorists instead of tackling the real issue of the ever-increasing violent crimes prevalent in our towns and cities. At the end of the day, it's all about the money, right? Enough said!
James J unfortunately yes
Realize how he was asleep in the van, had no idea he’s there until “excuse me sir” then jumped and shit himself XD
there is a computer where he was looking
I must of watch a different video to you and the other 32 who upvoted this comment. I could swear the copper looked at him as soon as the man looked in .
Many guys inside the Police vans are retired coppers enjoying a nice pension top up...that's the way the system works.
Retired they may be, but none of them have stopped to reflect on the injustice they're perpetrating. I wonder if they would feel the same degree of sympathy towards one of their family members if that person was a victim of this action?
What injustice? The local community have requested he attend.
Cant retired and be working
Whatever does that mean Harry?
Meant to say how can you be retired yet still be working
Respect to the man for standing up for the Peoples rights
Which rights are being infringed?
free speech is no more fascism is alive and well 2 No-one who has taken the prescribed tests and legally obtained a full UK driving licence has the right to ignore posted thresholds. They signed a contract upon passing their test.
free speech is no more fascism is alive and well 2 We can only guess, as like many who use the comments section of RUclips, they have yet to master the art of identifying the person they have aimed something they have typed.
free speech is no more fascism is alive and well 2
Hoping is where you create mental images of a preferred outcome/situation that has no impact on reality right?
free speech is no more fascism is alive and well 2
So hoping isn't creating pictures in your head, it's something more? It appears my typed words are eliciting all kinds of internal responses in you. I never wanted that kind of control - what's the weather like on Tracy Island?
Just proves the police think they are above the law and can flaunt the rules to suit them whenever conveniently possible..
It proves that local authority exemptions exist to allow police operations to take place accordingly.
Fuck sake it was a single yellow line!!
Most TRO’s exempt police vehicles while carrying out police business
A camera competition going on....the iPhone wins.😂😂😂
Those in receipt of issued notices would tend to disagree.
Break in and steal from someones house,depending on your circumstances,you might get off? Break the speed limit slightly,or forget to wear a seatbelt...£100 fine!!!
One is way easier to prove than the other.
They still get fines in court you fucking spastic
@@Nickjgreenwood beat it nick you fucking wet wipe.
How in this day and age do you 'forget' to wear a seat-belt hahaha
Speed kills . Should have one or 2 on every street. If drivers dont like the fines they get as a result of being caught by these then simple solution.....dont break the law by speeding. Its not rocket science. Anyone caught by this means deserves a fine.
he shouldnt be parked there..cars have to go in opposite lane..mmm road safety..hes making it dangerous
Every one of the millions of parked vehicles forces passing traffic to overtake, how is this more dangerous?
Carl Matthews Some roads/lanes are classed as blind lanes/roads.
The yellow lines are there to stop people parking so other motorists do not need to swerve around them into on coming traffic which can be pretty fast and unseen untill the last minute.
Those so called cops should have been ticketed and reprimanded.
Some roads/lanes are classed as blind lanes/roads? Evidence please?
He isn't a so-called anything, he is a working constabulary employee, wearing issued uniform, operating from a police fleet vehicle that goes with the job, from a surveyed and sanctioned location. Reprimanded for what, the local authority have supplied the parking exemption!
Carl Matthews I live on a road called Blind lane in Silksworth, Sunderland, called that for that very fact .
You stated:
The Free Hobo evanska2 days ago
Carl Matthews Some roads/lanes are classed as blind lanes/roads.
I challenged you to support that. You responded:
The Free Hobo evanska10 hours ago
Carl Matthews I live on a road called Blind lane in Silksworth.
So can you provide evidence that some roads and lanes are classed as 'blind' or not? Simply citing the name of a road is not any form of classification, plus what does this have to do with the above clip?
People please watch these police vans ....and the fool in the high viz is a citizen ..and some are paid and un-paid by the met to make ilegal money and to make up the number ..most of them work 10 hrs a day without pay ..for the met.........and most police cars you see on the roads these days are the same ....just to make up the numbers ....so met can put in the time sheets to get even more funding ..another ilegal act ? And they have no power of arrest ?
And they cannot quote any type of law to you ....to catch them...ask then did you swear on your oath today when you put on that uniform ...and also will not have a warrant card ?????????? Be wise people ..
and some are paid and un-paid by the met to make ilegal money and to make up the number ..most of them work 10 hrs a day without pay ..for the met????
Unpaid? Details please.
Thank you. I didn't know that some were paid , unpaid , and sometimes civilians.
@@heathstjohn6775 man even if your pulled over .you do not have to give any details to them what so ever .if your all legal .let them wast thief time checking ....you do not have to give a thing ..the second you epen your doors .they force way in ? .and if they touch you .it is assault .and a good pay out ....if you've done nothing .you don't have to say a thing .and ask them the reason for the stop ..?? If they brake any window ..of force a way in ..you've got them bang to rights ..got to remember .they are only cival servants .like a person who works in the library ....if you get pulled over .you have the right to keep your doors locked ? At all times .people have had enough now .
Time to stop the bully boys ..and when they put on that uniform ..they have taken an oath to serve and protect .........and they must must be in the middle .meaning thay are there to Serv you and all of us ....and they are (not) allowed to judge you or pass judgement on you ..innocent until proven guilty .fact ......and learn about some laws ..you can get all on line ...don't become a victim .just get you and your legally aware....when and if they pull me ...they better have a good plan ...and it only takes a bit of time to learn this .I never give my name .never ...it's all on my motor ....if they want it work for it ......just look all over RUclips .and you will have fun .pur police getting owned ...... and always always have a video going ..it's for your protection and theirs ..check it all out ..don't become a victim .......peace and love
@@DLIFE-gt5lm How can carry out their checks if you don't confirm your identity?
@@DLIFE-gt5lm Thank you for your time and consideration. Be safe.
For anyone wondering why there's yellow lines there, it's to make it safe for those leaving the driveway's there so they can see if there's other vehicles coming or not. I would hate to have to pull out from that driveway without being able to see if there's anything coming from either side.
Why does the time of parking restriction vary during the day then?
@@unleashthedragonwithin2057 That would be because during the night it's easier to spot cars from their headlights and there's less traffic.
@@4TheRecord During the night? Look at the posted restrictions, plus the line is now white:
goo.gl/maps/Psa6ovSmDcUedsKF9
Yes a good video, making a good point. Unfortunately the grey car parked before the speed van was parked half over the kerb, and was facing oncoming traffic.
Police the new name for tax collectors
Police don't collect a single penny.
God bless you man for confronting this a hole ❤️
Well done ... more people should react like you 👍🏼👍🏼
Just proves its nothing to do with safety it's all about money. And it's facing the wrong way.
Facing the wrong way? Proves it's nothing to do with safety all about money? How?
taIlboyandy23 go to spec savers
Rule 239 highway... Look it up..
This is what is needed people and yes he is a hazard...
How so, it is just a parked vehicle?
Well done more people should highlight stuff like this
Stuff like what? He's only there because the local community requested something be done about the speeding issue past the school which is behind the van's position.
What you said about not being a policeofficer, was my first thought. Good on you for calling him out.
He is a working member of the constabulary and not being 'warranted' means nothing. Legislation only requires a witness for speeding offences.
I notice on the opposite side of the road there are no yellow lines so why does the camera van park on a yellow line ? It appears they bend rules to suite themselves.
Rules haven't been 'bent' - it is a liveried police fleet vehicle conducting police business - it is exempt.
It isn't a case of being above the law, it is a police vehicle with a recognised legal exemption, just like a police officer carrying a loaded handgun has and you don't:
The spokesperson said: "The relevant legislation, allowing enforcement to take place at the site, is under 'The City of Plymouth (Traffic Regulations and Parking Places) (Consolidation) Order 2004'.
"Part H of that Order lists 'Exemptions from Prohibitions and Restrictions' in which is included 'Exemptions for Emergency Services'.
"Within this section of the Order it states: 'Nothing in this Order shall apply to any vehicle on an occasion when it is being used for fire brigade, ambulance or police purposes, if the observance of that provision would be likely to hinder the use of that vehicle for the purpose for which it is being used on that occasion'.
www.plymouthherald.co.uk/angry-motorist-who-filmed-camera-van-on-yellow-lines-committed-a-crime/story-30107703-detail/story.html
Nobody has ever said we are above the law, there are, in law, things called "exemptions", of which the police have for this type of incident, much like how in law you have an exemption from wearing a seatbelt if you have a medical reason, or have an exemption from speeding if you have a very good reason (i.e medial emergency).
CrossChannelFairy It may say police on the van but the operators are not police.
They are impersonating police officers.
Simple as that.
No they are not, another idiot who was not got a clue what he's on about.... internet lawyer are we?
Believe in all this "Free man of the land" and " I do not consent " rubbish too? Most likely, judging by your username.
This is being taught at police college this year - 2019
Care and attention to parking restrictions should be observed and complied with. There will be exceptions where parking a police vehicle contrary to parking regulations or restrictions is required and necessary to deal with incidents, including scenes of collisions. There can be no legitimate excuse for ignoring restrictions unless it can be justified. Inconsiderate or illegal parking of police vehicles may result in negative press reporting and may adversely affect public perceptions. Where an officer or staff member receives notice of enforcement for breach of any such regulation or restriction, they must take personal responsibility for the outcome unless they are able to justify their actions.
Well done mate. They think they are above the Law. And in some cases they get away with it. And also we'll done. For recording with your phone around the correct way. It's about time someone did. Lol 😂
They are not above the law, the LAW allows them to park on single AND double yellow lines...
The irony in it all is that a vehicle parked where it becomes an obstacle will almost always make drivers consider slowing down, which ruins the money making scam that these vehicles are used for.
"I DON'T THINK HE LIKES ME" 😂😂
The van is parked on the wrong side of the road. Your reflectors must be facing oncoming traffic. Think the driver needs more training.
Not during daylight hours.
Rule 248. You MUST NOT park on a road at night facing against the direction of the traffic flow unless in a recognised parking space
Loved the way you identified the illegal parking, and then clearly he was causing a parking hazard! He needs reporting with the evidence you have, its shocking how they think they are above the law!
Just money generating again!
Firstly it IS an offence to park on the single line...not exempt...silly comment to say he is. A Traffic Officer would view it differently. Blue light on top of vehicle? And Police words? That is a response vehicle....question! What permit does this driver hold...certainly not a class 5nor a 2 or 1. With that Laser device why is he operating it in the rain...Laser deflects through rain and can give erroneous readings. Little wonder the Traffic Officers are fed up getting all the Flack when these individuals do not comply with the Laws themselves. Very much like PCSOs who drive Police Vehicles. A few years ago even a Police Officer could not get behind a Police vehicle until after 2 years. How the job has gone down the pan. I hope that speed limit was 30mph, if it were 40 or above with the vehicle facing oncoming traffic it is an offence even today!!
The above vehicle is driven only A to B, so the driver requires no response training or special permit.
The laser simply returns an Error 1 if the rain is too heavy, or works perfectly if the rain is light enough to allow the laser out/back.
The above is exempt under local authority TRO's.
"However, all the vans are (Devon & Cornwall) police vehicles which are afforded certain exemptions from parking restrictions when carrying out speed enforcement and includes permission from our partners to park on highway verges."
www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/12-myths-devon-s-speed-cameras-debunked/story-28600062-detail/story.html
"All Traffic Regulation Orders allow liveried police, fire and ambulance vehicles to park where other vehicles are prohibited. In the case of the fire brigade and ambulance service, the vehicle must be attending an emergency, however marked police vehicles can park in otherwise prohibited places under any circumstances."
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/illegal_parking_of_police_vehicl_2#incoming-334101
You can park on single yellow line outside of the times on the sign. The sign says 10am-2pm, so if it is not between the hours of 10am-2pm any car is exempt and can park.
No traffic warden would dare ticket a police van, that's why he can park where he wants.
D Bennett I’m a traffic officer. He’s exempt. Happy now?
Nice little earner for the retired lads!!!! Plus pension + perks,so don't want you rocking the boat, so now A report to the CC
What 'perks'?
John Nevin you are correct...it's the old " jobs for the boys" culture. Why don't they advertise the jobs for unemployed people?
All police staff jobs are advertised, anyone can apply.
Carl Matthews fair comment....However could you enlighten me where they are advertised?
In addition to its own closed internal intranet, every UK constabulary has its own public facing internet website where all vacancies are advertised. The one in question is here:
www.devon-cornwall.police.uk/your-right-to-information/our-people/recruitment/police-staff/current-vacancies/
However you dress up the rights and wrongs of camera vans, it is undeniable that they prey on easy targets: the generally law-abiding motorist. What about drunk-drivers; drivers on drugs; stolen cars; cars with no tax, insurance, MOT; disqualified drivers; drivers with a shotgun on the back seat and any other case you can mention? They dress it up as all about 'safety' when it is so obviously a revenue generator. If it truly were about safety then surely all the circumstances I've mentioned would constitute a higher risk to 'safety', but these camera vans have no interest in those as these would be too difficult to deal with. The public are being brainwashed into believing their primary motivation is safety with all their branding, but the truth is very different. Is it a mere coincidence that since the fines have just been increased that there seems to be many more camera vans out and cops with radar guns? Surely they are not seeing that as a way to generate even more money, are they? The truth is speed is rarely the cause of traffic collisions but we are all told 'speed kills' in an attempt to justify their 'safety' revenue generation and brainwash the susceptible.
You are completely misinformed, speed enforcement isn't about stopping collisions, that wouldn't be a realistic expectation whilst human beings are in control of moving metal boxes. Speed enforcement is about reducing physical trauma WHEN a collision takes place.
Equally they are staffed by police staff so regular officers can focus on other duties such as drunk driving.
'Speed Kills' simply means hit something fast enough and death will result. How is that not accurate?
Dude, your point of view is intriguing but fundamentally flawed. We are told 'speed kills' and speed enforcement is a preventative measure and required for safety. Speed does not kill any more than guns, knives, flying or running for example. They can all kill in the wrong hands. The 'speed kills' campaign is essentially propaganda designed to make speed enforcement and therefore revenue generation, more publicly acceptable. Being told it is safe to drive at 79mph on a motorway but unsafe at 81mph regardless of car, age of driver, skill level of driver, reaction speed of driver, road conditions etc is ludicrous. It is akin to saying Lewis Hamilton driving at 81mph in a £200,000 Ferrari is less safe than a 95 year old driving a 25 year old Vauxhall Chevette, borderline MOT at 79mph. Pre-supposing a collision WILL happen and arguing the higher the speed, the more likelihood of death is flawed reasoning. It is all about money, my friend. The world is run by the banks and people should not be brainwashed by this pro speed-enforcement rhetoric. Do you really think the government is bothered how many road deaths there are each year? Well, they're not. You and I are here to make them money while we are alive.
You simply don't understand, you read far too much into a simple campaign slogan. 'Speed Kills' is the same as 'Clunk-Click', in that it encapsulates in two words the essence of the underlying message = hit something or someone fast enough and death will result. It clearly doesn't infer that by itself, speed will result in death (g-force acceleration not withstanding).
Speed enforcement isn't a preventative measure, nor is it 'required' for safety, it is just to encourage motorists to observe the posted thresholds, so that when a collision takes place, physical trauma is minimised.
You also appear to confuse the cause of a collision with the cause of death, they are two separate elements of a fatal crash. Speed is the determining factor of how much inertia requires dissipating, the faster the impact speed, the more energy is involved.
There is no reason to pre-suppose a collision will take place, they do every single day without fail.
Every year, speed enforcement in the UK generates a figure somewhere around £100m. However, as a country we pay the equivalent of that to the EU every two days, plus in 2016 we spent 13.3bn in overseas aid and these are but two of the countless conduits where money haemorrhages from The Treasury . So in the scheme of things, speed enforcement makes peanuts, a mere egg cup's worth from an Olympic sized swimming pool.
In addition, few people have the slightest idea how it works and never consider the follow-on processes, systems and manpower that must exist post-offence detection and what it costs to operate.
First of all, there will be those engaged in the manual detections, so however many enforcement officers (often van and motorcycle based). Then those in the viewing team who have to physically go through every offence from manual and static cameras, interrogate DVLA and produce the initial file. Next, there is an admin team who deals with all the incoming/outgoing mail, printing, telephone calls, emails and scanning each bit of associated correspondence to the database. They deal with around 10,000-15,000 bits of individual mail every week.
Then there’s a prosecutions team who deal with those cases that end up in court. There will also be team leaders and unit manager, totalling around 50 people, some working overtime. So there’s £115-£120k in wages every four weeks just for starters.
On top of that there’s a very hefty stationery and postage bill to meet, electricity and telephony costs. There’s then the ongoing HADECS/SPECS, RedSpeed and software contracts, vehicle fuel and servicing costs, plus speedmeter calibration and ancillary repairs and all kinds of ad-hoc purchasing costs such as recording media. If a camera is criminally damaged, then that can add another £10-£20k.
In total this all adds to anything up to £140k every monthly period for just one constabulary (yes, sizes vary, but the larger the operation, the greater the running costs). Your average person never factors any of the above into their view of speed enforcement.
So yes, there is a financial element, but simply the demanded public service of speed enforcement could not be supplied without a self-funded mechanism in place, as all central govt funding ceased in 2011.
An enlightening amount of detail there. However, what you have overlooked is the 'employment' of each and every operative in speed detection 'services' is paid a salary on which they pay income tax. They then buy goods and services on which they pay VAT. Then they pay council tax, then road fund license for their car/s, then their TV license, then fuel for their cars, then...... Need I go on? The government raise money from easy targets - the motorist, to fund an operation on which they receive an exponential magnitude of their initial outlay and guess what, they actually have had no outlay to fund it. Don't you see? Brilliant isn't it? It is like fractional reserve banking. All designed to make money from the public. The only thing backing money is the fruits of mine and your labour; nothing else. Whilst speed enforcement may not make a great deal of money directly, the exponential magnitude is unquantifiable. As I said, It is all about revenue generation despite your argument to the contrary.
Yes, you need to go on, because the amount of money earned by the comparatively microscopic number of people you cite, is minuscule. You base your argument on the income of just a few hundred people, so think it through = more peanuts. Equally, the money that is generated isn't 'the government's', it goes in to The Consolidated Fund = public purse. Your argument holds no water due to the inconsequential sums of money involved from the sources you mention.
In 2011, central government withdrew funding for speed enforcement. meaning the majority of static cameras were switched off and partnerships folded. There was no way of knowing if speed enforcement could/would continue = not the actions of an organisation intent on making money. Central government have no control over speed enforcement, each constabulary cobbles it together themselves and many barely break even.
You clearly do not understand how this works.
great stuff- you are a hero
Was the policeman actually ronnie pickering?
Hahahaha! You know who i am??!!! Golden
Who?
@@digitalradiohacker Ronnie Pickering... Oh you don't know?
@@michaelmess7575
Who?
@@digitalradiohacker lol.. it's this goofy dude from the UK that was road raging. Look it up I'm sure it will come up just putting his name in.
It is not "police business" to creat a potential hazard for cars leaving their house driveways and blocking a clear view of oncoming traffic..".Nuff said".
It is a police operation, being manned by a working member of the constabulary.
Colin Clarke Wrong, he himself said he is a civilian not a member of the police. Regardless of if he is"allowed" to park there or not it's this sort of thing that gets people's backs up. He could just as easily of parked by the silver car and there would be no confrontation.
Carl Matthews He could also of parked the other side of the road no lines there
Tim, you simply don't understand - he is a member of police staff, just like Scenes of Crime, or a PCSO. He is wearing issued police staff uniform, has a police issued Airwave radio, pays in to police pension fund and is operating from a police fleet vehicle, based out of a working police station = not a member of the police?
What exactly are you suggesting? The constabulary purchased a vehicle, had it fitted and equipped to a total of £50k, then someone stole it?
It is a police operation and he can park where he chooses:
"However, all the vans are (Devon & Cornwall) police vehicles which are afforded certain exemptions from parking restrictions when carrying out speed enforcement and includes permission from our partners to park on highway verges."
www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/12-myths-devon-s-speed-cameras-debunked/story-28600062-detail/story.html
Colin Clarke He is a civilian member of the police he is not a police officer, no powers of arrest etc. The point is just because he can park where he likes didn't mean he should park "illegally". The other side of the road or closer to the silver car would have removed the obvious danger of parking where he did
Rules for us and different rules for them it's the new FINE culture the treasury ripping off the motorists
The above has nothing to do with The Treasury.
Revenue generation in its purest form, parking a big van like that could block a drivers view of a child away to or in the midst of crossing the road, highly inconsiderate at best, dangerous at worst. The operator also needs to get some exercise and cut down on his pork pies (it’s cannibalism - if indeed he is in the brotherhood and has police force powers)
Do as I say not what I do
My brother was caught on a bend doing 32mph. The filth were hiding behind the tree just around the corner. He had to either take points on his licence and pay a fine or go on a driving course which cost him a £100. Bastards.
Your brother was lying, tickets aren't issued for 2mph over.
Police have no statutory exemption for yellow line parking restrictions. However, local authorities can write a traffic order to make police vehicles exempt from restrictions.
Darren Brittain thanks for the update.😀 But it appears the law is an ass once again by the criteria .. ‘on the one hand this, on the other hand that! No wonder people are confused or incorrect with the interpretation of law/rules✊
Every TRO contains a parking exemption for police to allow them to do their job. The one for Looseleigh Lane (the above road), reads:
EXEMPTIONS FROM PROHIBITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS
EXEMPTIONS FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES
51. 1) Nothing in this Order shall apply to any vehicle on an occasion when it is being used
for fire brigade, ambulance or police purposes, if the observance of that provision
would be likely to hinder the use of that vehicle for the purpose for which it is being
used on that occasion.
This must be one of those 10,000 officers that Diane Abbot promised us?
He ate the rest!
Yes he's number twelvety.
He is freeing up regular officers to focus on other duties.
Can Diane Abbot say such a big number?
Maybe they park it on the yellow line on purpose so nobody can park another van infront of the camera and block it?
@Ken Evanska but that would be deliberate obstruction. If they just parked legally they could have people parking and unparking infront of them all day spoliing their photos purely by accident?
It's not even a real copper! Impersonating an officer! Very serious crime send him down...
He is an operational, working member of the constabulary, based out of Crownhill Police Station. Think it through, the police spend £75k on purchasing, fitting and equipping a marked fleet vehicle, then an impersonator magically gets to source the keys, a police staff uniform, drives it out the gates and parks in plain sight by the side of the road. Legislation only requires a witness to gather evidence.
I am very grateful to these guys because without them there would be carnage on the british roads.cars would park in the middle of the fucking road.drivers would speed everywhere.drivers who respect the law shouldn't have a problem with them.you can clearly see his vehicle.
exempt?????…….no my friend you are not above the law!!!!!!
No, definitely exempt.
"However, all the vans are (Devon & Cornwall) police vehicles which are afforded certain exemptions from parking restrictions when carrying out speed enforcement and includes permission from our partners to park on highway verges."
www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/12-myths-devon-s-speed-cameras-debunked/story-28600062-detail/story.html
"All Traffic Regulation Orders allow liveried police, fire and ambulance vehicles to park where other vehicles are prohibited. In the case of the fire brigade and ambulance service, the vehicle must be attending an emergency, however marked police vehicles can park in otherwise prohibited places under any circumstances."
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/illegal_parking_of_police_vehicl_2#incoming-334101
@@Only_Fools_and_Audits he is an obstruction to road uses
It's just a parked vehicle like every other currently parked by the side of the carriageway.
Your exempt...but by being there you are forcing other drivers to illegally cross the center line....just another ticketing scam.
Dni KL erm it isn't illegal to cross the middle line only if it's a solid double line then you can't so go learn something instead of accusing someone trying to make our roads safe of doing something unsafe when it's not
Armchair expert. It’s not illegal, the centre lines mean give way, I.e. if there’s traffic oncoming then give way to it if not you’re free to cross the middle line if necessary unless it’s solid
Dni KL *you’re
A spastic
Not only on a yellow line but facing the wrong way ! I am glad they were challenged they like us are not above the law. I saw one recently parked on a pavement obstructing a T junction !
Wrong way for what?
I always thought that if you work out of the back of a vehicle on the roadside, the yellow maintenance lights on the roof must be illuminated and I see that all camera vans have them fitted but never use them? So are they operating illegally?
They can park where they want apparantly - however as they are supposed to be there for the safety of the public, parking as to cause cars to enter oncoming traffic is actually endangering the public - also I would assume that the exemption is there to allow the police to carry out the work they have to do when they have to park where they can - the police speed vehicle has a choice of where to park and its not an emergency situation - As usual one rule for them and one for everbody else - Just goes to prove its all about revenue !
How would the revenue be different if he parked down near the silver car?
How could law enforcement take place without exemptions? Police carry loaded repeating handguns in public due to exemptions = nothing about revenue.
The revenue would be different because drivers would see him from further and slow down - the point is hes not on an emergency but is breaking the law because of where he is parked - As I stated one rule for them and one for everyone else
You simply don't understand bernie.
The kit in use has an operational range of 1000m/1km and the road is magnified because it's being viewed through a powerful optic, so speeds are measured, displayed and recorded in 0.3sec before the foot has moved from the throttle to the brake. The greater the view the operator has of the carriageway, the less opportunity a vehicle has of being slowed before detection.
Not on an emergency? No he isn't, he doesn't have to be, the exemption refers to vehicles being used for police purposes - so yes, of course it is different, the local authority TRO for the road specifies this. You don't have highlight that the rules are different, no-one is attempting to deny it.
He cannot break the law if there is a legal exemption written in.
Also the manufacturers of the machine in the handbook state that in order to guarantee accuracy the laser should have several checks carried out before and after use - This would include a sighting check carried out against a target at a known distance this is a bulls eye painted onto a wall at the police station with a distance mark painted on the floor- The laser should also be calibrated against a moving vehicle with a guaranteed calibrated speedometer - also in order to guarantee accuracy the laser must be aimed at a flat area of the vehicle again the manufacturer recommends the numberplate or the headlight - if it were to be aimed at a sloping part of the vehicle it would be impossible for the computer to work out the speed unless it knew the specific angle of the area it was pointed -
I have used lasers for over 30 years and any readings they give are worthless unless properly used and calibrated - The police however state that the manufacturers instructions are merely guide lines and that they dont have to carry them out - the only one they are guaranteed to do is the yearly manufacturers calibration at the factory -
I recently went to court on a speeding charge at allegedly 4mph over the speed limit - The police provided no witness - the photo evidence was handed to me 10 mins before appearing in court ( supposed to be handed over 7 days prior so you can evaluate and seek council) and could provide no evidence of calibration to the laser - I was still found guillty - The police and magistrates make it up as they go along they havnt a clue about using a laser correctly other than a short training course on it - I certainly understand how laser work and also how to correctly calibrate and use one - Why dont the police ?
Its all about revenue if you believe anything else you are naive in the extreme - if it was about road safety why dont they repair the potholes in the roads that cause so many accidents and deaths every year ?
And he is parked facing the wrong way! Hypocrite!
Facing the wrong way for what?
Hi Fairy... rule 239 of the highway code states that vehicles should not be parked against the traffic flow. The rule is never enforced apparently. The van is facing the wrong way, against the traffic flow. I have a feeling it is only referred to by police if the wrong way facing vehicle is the cause of an obstruction or accident.
@@GaryNumeroUno Rule 239 cites a 'do not park facing against the traffic flow', not a 'must not' - there is considerable difference between the two. A 'do not' is simply best practice. However, as it is being for police purposes, it matters not one tiny bit.
@@Only_Fools_and_Audits cops should be setting examples. probably a blind corner ahead of him trapping cars coming the opposite direction.
@@allothernamesbutthis You can clearly see the view from the camera's perspective.
I like the way Drivers flash lights at oncoming cars to warn about mobile traffic speed trap…
That so called policeman's behaviour was beyond disgusting. He just sits in a van for hours on end and gets paid. Totally oblivious to the fact he's causing an obstruction.
Have to park correctly using the Highway Code like everyone else. No excuses. He's not proper police so cant park where he likes.
Nope, exempt under the Local Authority Traffic Regulation Order. He is a working member of the constabulary and can park where directed to park by the Chief Constable.
@@Only_Fools_and_Audits thanks, I will tell our local Bobby as he says they need to obey the Highway Code. Interesting!
@@grannygrump4407 "All Traffic Regulation Orders allow liveried police, fire and ambulance vehicles to park where other vehicles are prohibited. In the case of the fire brigade and ambulance service, the vehicle must be attending an emergency, however marked police vehicles can park in otherwise prohibited places under any circumstances."
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/illegal_parking_of_police_vehicl_2#incoming-334101
9.3 You must respect the needs of the emergency services to carry out their duties without your taking enforcement action against them. This means that you must not issue parking charge notices to: • liveried vehicles being used for OPERATIONAL fire, police or ambulance purposes
www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS_Code_of_Practice_October_2015_update_V6..pdf
Good job man we the public need to do more of there activity’s
The public requested he be there!
They aren't police. They're civilian "safety camera operators".
They are operational members of the police service.
Friday 19 May 2023
A man from Bradford has been fined after admitting to a public order offence against a Safety Camera van operator.
The incident happened on Bolton Road on 16 August when the man stopped his vehicle which blocked the safety camera van and then verbally abused the operator.
Hamzah Mahmood 24 of Queens Road was arrested and charged with a public order offence causing harassment, alarm or distress and using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour.
Yesterday at Bradford Magistrates he was fined a total of £587.
who ate all the pies?
z y belly pork special.
The burgers and the fries....
did he have any pies left over in his speed trap van ? or has he gobbled them all up for him self because he is one big man or was it the coat making him look BIG ? LOL
Is it illegal to be overweight?
David Hall Not even a doenut
David Hall I was thinking that, I'm surprised he can fit in that space, he's a waist of space. 😂😂
Ad hominem attacks on the operator means you've lost the argument. I don't like their underhand tactics anymore than you do .But use facts and logic to defeat them.
If he spent a bit more time "pounding the beat" he'd would get some of that weight off. Clearly an unhealthy occupation
“All staff are told that they must not park either illegally or inconsiderately and, if they do, they are treated in exactly the same way as any member of the public.”
How can they park illegally at a sanctioned, surveyed enforcement site that has a recognised local authority TRO exemption? Please be specific.
Every local authority provides an exemption for police fleet vehicles being used for police purposes. There is no requirement for them to be attending an emergency.
The above is Looseleigh Lane. Page 40 of relevant Traffic Regulation Order that covers this particular road states:
EXEMPTIONS FROM PROHIBITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS
EXEMPTIONS FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES
51. 1) Nothing in this Order shall apply to any vehicle on an occasion when it is being used
for fire brigade, ambulance or police purposes, if the observance of that provision would be likely to hinder the use of that vehicle for the purpose for which it is being used on that occasion.
The above is EXEMPT from any parking restrictions whilst engaged in constabulary business.
Been past these vans before. The only thing saving me from speeding fines was all the traffic around me. It did me a favour.
One is allowed to park on single yellows at times of operation.
The lampost beside the speed van does seem to display a sign which no doubt will have times for parking stated.
Double yellows are a straight no parking offence but still in certain circumstances and areas they too may have times for parking.
I think crusaders with phones need to do research about this before entering uncharted territory.
a Pint of Guinness and a packet of crisps Check at about 0:03 seconds in
Police Speed camera van Well how do you expect the Police fund the Christmas party.
They can technically park anywhere for ‘police purposes’ under the same legislation that allows emergency service vehicles to stop in what would be otherwise considered a dangerous area. You may also be able to consider it a form of traffic calming measure, as people tend to be aware of a fluorescent van and slow down to allow traffic opposite to pass.
Seeing as how these are civilians operating it though, and very rarely officers, let alone retired ones (retired officers either stay retired or come back into teaching roles. These jobs are cheap and easily hireable) it’s still a very sneaky tactic
Why is this camera man getting involved for no apparent reason. If the Police are parked up, or who ever is in the van is none of their concern. Then when Police react then they say they are anti police. Police are just doing their job keeping public safe. People like this cameraman outside the police van is making a drama out of nothing. This camera man is really asking to be nicked
Wrong so very wrong - you obviously have not got a clue
@@MrsEvelynBreebles why is he wrong!
Don’t you have better things to do with your day mate ?
That was great ! Really satisfying.cheers
Emergency Vehicles are only exempt when carrying out official duties. They are not permitted to park in contravention of parking / waiting restrictions when not on official duties. Reports of emergency vehicles parked in contravention for activities such as shopping will be reported to our Police Liaison.
The above is carrying out official duties.
@@Only_Fools_and_Audits a traffic camera van isnt an emergency vehicle
@@themightykhan2 You are simply confused. The above is a police fleet vehicle carrying out police duties. The Traffic Regulation in questions states:
EXEMPTIONS FROM PROHIBITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS
EXEMPTIONS FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES
51. 1) Nothing in this Order shall apply to any vehicle on an occasion when it is being used
for fire brigade, ambulance or police purposes, if the observance of that provision would be likely to hinder the use of that vehicle for the purpose for which it is being used on that occasion.
Plus:
"However, all the vans are (Devon & Cornwall) police vehicles which are afforded certain exemptions from parking restrictions when carrying out speed enforcement and includes permission from our partners to park on highway verges."
www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/location-devons-busiest-speed-camera-602991
So - it isn't 'emergency vehicle', it is 'emergency services vehicle' and that is what the above is - it doesn't have to be attending an emergency, so the above is EXEMPT from any parking restrictions whilst engaged in constabulary business.
As much as I don’t like the stupid speed vans. Leave the man alone and let him do his job. I mean what does it have to do with you if it’s pared there anyway it doesn’t affect you. If it is wrong for him to be parked, then if the traffic warden sees him he then may get a fine. But it’s not for you to do what you’re doing. Really really gets my back up when people of the public interfere with Peoples jobs. If that van said ambulance on the side you went say a thing, if that van said anything else you wouldn’t nothing. You’re only pestering that man because the van says police. It really isn’t your job to tell him if he’s in the right or the wrong if you have a issue should contact the police station or inform the council and if it’s an offence they will do what is necessary.
Can of fart spray should do the trick
Scumbags always hide.
Like the one above you mean?
All laws that apply to us apply to safety camera vans according to West Midlands police
www.west-midlands.police.uk/your-options/parking-yellow-lines
If any part of your vehicle overhangs the yellow lines you could be issued with a ticket. The Highway Code states that traffic laws apply to everyone, even police cars. The police are only allowed to stop on double yellows if they are dealing with a motorist or attending an emergency.
Plymouth is the holy grail of speed cameras..... the one in Alma Road dishes out more fines than any other camera in the country.
The three main cameras in Plymouth, over a period of three years, sent out £1.2m worth of fines - and 36,123 penalty points.
And they say it's not to make money.... pull the other one.
Can you provide verifiable evidence please?
Legend ! Thumbs up 👍
Has anyone seen any speed camera vans at Seahouses ?
No-one ???
I Tooke some nice photos there recently, none of speeding cars though, just a few telephotos of a couple of crabs. I called them Andy and Jayne.
Actually, the image passing through the human eye is upside down and the human brain turns it up the 'right' way - we don't actually 'see' anything, the brain creates it all.
The exemption applies only in an emergency situation. Revenue gathering is not an emergency, not even in times of austerity. He is probably flouting the rules on camera location.
I don't get why these ''cops'' are ok with what they are doing. Doesn't matter that the rules are for everyone even, you just don't do certain things cause it is either annoying or dangerous. And where this care is parked is both of them.
How is ignoring the posted threshold not 'annoying' for local residents?
civi in cop van to make ya think ther more cops out ther
But that's exactly what happens as a result. The member of police staff above is still an operational member of the constabulary and by carrying out speed enforcement, this frees up regular officers to focus on other duties.
Uk justice system is hopeless
It doesn't matter how demeaning or appalling a job is, like rack operator, hangman, electric chair technician, speed camera operative, or even estate agent, they can always find some vile little creepy twat willing to do the job.
He isn’t even wearing the widely accepted attire for he job.
This is criminal..... extortion at its very worst
Why argue with the police? Its a Pointless exercise really, maybe if u saw the effects of speeding or lost someone from speeding u might change your attitude
Pop
s trains he isnt police. Didnt you watch the video?
Fit day running halogen lamps to diffuse the laserbeam
@Retro Phones yes it does lol
@Impersonating An Auditor well it may be the laser diffuser with a 3 second shutdown trip then ... or is that my parking assistance
@Impersonating An Auditor really not sure Belt and braces you know !
@Impersonating An Auditor well something I am using works and I never get a ticket . Like I say belts and braces Lidar jammer, halogen bulbs, ultraviolet bulbs and LED strip light and I run a local pigs in space Facebook page where we post where we see them. I also recommend using high light absorption paint and angling your number plates by roughly 10-15 degrees either downward or upward, Good Hunting ... 1198 has never had a ticket and regularly goes well into triple digits. Neep Neep
@Impersonating An Auditor yes I am sure the people on my Facebook page are true people. Anyway angle your number plate down and use light absorbing lacquer seems to work for at least a few seconds in my experience particularly if you have a roundish front end to your motor
under the road traffic act he can only park on yellow lines in an emergency also he has no power of warrant as a civilian employee you should report him to proffesional standards commitee at police hq exeter
That is simply nonsense, the above is Looseleigh Lane. Page 40 of relevant Traffic Regulation Order that covers this particular road states:
EXEMPTIONS FROM PROHIBITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS
EXEMPTIONS FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES
51. 1) Nothing in this Order shall apply to any vehicle on an occasion when it is being used
for fire brigade, ambulance or police purposes, if the observance of that provision would be likely to hinder the use of that vehicle for the purpose for which it is being used on that occasion.
The above is EXEMPT from any parking restrictions whilst engaged in constabulary business, there is no requirement to be attending an emergency.
He requires no 'warrant' to gather evidence, s89(2) RTRA 1984 - just a witness is required.
So basically the van parked there had the desired effect of slowing down traffic? Do you have kids? Have you seen a 3 year old hit at 30 MPH? I have and to be honest mate, him parking there stinging drivers going over 30MPH will hopefully educate you and others into thinking why he is there in the first place?
Why exceed 30 mph? It's not hard to stick to. I put my foot down on rural roads and motorways, but the risks of speeding in a 30, far outweigh the tiny benefit in journey time. Your reply to "Great Stuff" was unnecessarily aggressive!
There was a time when I used to frantically flash my lights to alert oncoming drivers, but the number who either don't notice or ignore me made me think perhaps it's a good thing the police are trying to catch these inattentive halfwits. It's the same said halfwits who are up my arse whenever I DARE to observe the speed limit. Now I don't bother to warn anyone, of speed vans and even if it's a friend or family member, I am usually glad they have been caught.
The only place cameras annoy me is on fast dual carriageways or motorways. But generally, if you put your foot down in more appropriate places, you are unlikely to be prosecuted.
troublezzzz oh mate you must be a real contributor to our society! Thought they didn’t give you access to the internet from your prison cell?
@@troublezzzz and if you have that attitude you end up with a ban but by the sound of you that wouldn't stop you driving
What road is this on Jerry?
Half on the pavement? A few inches of front bumper = half of the vehicle?
You are prone to extreme exaggeration.
Jon Bishop Looks like loosely lane to me.
Notre Dame.
He admitted he wasnt a police officer, it’s also a criminal offence to be in that van with police written all over it. He’s not part of the police so why is he in command of a police van doing police work?
He's an operational member of the constabulary wearing issued police staff uniform, operating from the police fleet vehicle that goes with the role. He is based out of a working police station and has official police staff ID issued by the constabulary.
They are honking the horn in approval haha
Yes, speed enforcement gets local community support - they asked for it to be there after all!
@@Only_Fools_and_Audits nope I'm talking about the guy filming they never honk at the van I have never seen that.
@@Harry-cj6bx You mean they are sounding their horns in disapproval because they don't agree with the obstruction taking place. I see, thanks.
The following links leave no doubt as to the legal position, it is a marked police fleet vehicle, every local authority affording the same TRO exemption:
"All Traffic Regulation Orders allow liveried police, fire and ambulance vehicles to park where other vehicles are prohibited. In the case of the fire brigade and ambulance service, the vehicle must be attending an emergency, however marked police vehicles can park in otherwise prohibited places under any circumstances."
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/illegal_parking_of_police_vehicl_2#incoming-334101
"However, all the vans are (Devon & Cornwall) police vehicles which are afforded certain exemptions from parking restrictions when carrying out speed enforcement and includes permission from our partners to park on highway verges."
www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/12-myths-devon-s-speed-cameras-debunked/story-28600062-detail/story.html
taIlboyandy23 They were not police though, they were civilian workers mascrading as police. If they were real police they would have been out of that "Illegally" parked van and arrested the photographer for interfering with police work. But they, like I said before, are not police officers.
So, are they allowed to park where the fuck they want ?
They are driving a liveried police vehicles, all liveried police vehicles have exemptions from parking, whether driven by a police officer or a civilian staff member, most definitely when being used for the purpose of law enforcement, and i'm pretty sure it applies even when they aren't actively enforcing the law.
The same also applies to Ambulances and Fire engines, bet you aren't going to say anything about them though, you're obviously just anti-police, people like you will find any reason they can to pick on us.
thefiestaguy Not picking on you plod, just pointing out the fact that they are not police but private civilians working for a private company that in turn is contracted by the police to collect revenue for the state. We need the police but we also need the police to act on the oath they took, instead of wiping their arses with it.
Most police these days think the oath they took was just some words they had to repeat just to get the job.
I used to trust the police but in any interaction I may have with them, even if I am only asked the time of day, I get my camera out and allways live stream.
And do not spout crap about it only being a few bad apples.
They are NOT private civilians when they are working, they are operational members of the constabulary. They are not collecting revenue, they are collecting evidence.
Which private company are they working for?
Yes, they are exempt from parking restrictions:
"However, all the vans are (Devon & Cornwall) police vehicles which are afforded certain exemptions from parking restrictions when carrying out speed enforcement and includes permission from our partners to park on highway verges."
www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/12-myths-devon-s-speed-cameras-debunked/story-28600062-detail/story.html
taIlboyandy23 Bollocks
I respect you
It may be a hazard and not a very carefully thought out space but they are exempt to park on yellow lines. They have a license.
Evidence of the licence you cite please?
You can tell that it’s Plymouth because it’s pissing down with rain.....
Thanks, give them hell
Nice one 😂😂😂
Police , ambulance and fire service vehicles are exempt from the road traffic acts with regards to parking , speed limits and red lights . If there was a fire truck or ambulance sitting there would you go up and harass them ?
Highway code says he should be in other carriageway
Can you please cite the relevant wording?
Don't speed don't give the money simple really!
you ought to be arrested
You are a wanker
You made Mr. "Police Officer" cry now. Probably will need to go to his safe space....
Made him cry?
www.specsavers.co.uk/eye-health/book-an-eye-test
A civilian driving a police van with blue lights visible is impersonating a police officer
What complete nonsense, he is an operational member of the constabulary dressed as police staff. You think they'd spend £60k buying and fitting a vehicle then man it with an 'impersonator'?
erm, just don't speed !!!!!
@Zachery Stringfellow lol
My mate chopper once stood a sheet of 8 x 4 plywood against the back of one of these vans
What a legend
And the van pulled forward three feet and the plywood fell down. So what?
I found a police officer watching porn on M11 last week believe me or not.
I don’t think anyone would have any trouble believing that, was it male on male porn ? Was the officer driving at the time ?
Were you aroused?
He is a hazard, should be fined himself, if you swerve around him would have to go over the speed limit, overtake safely
Why would anyone have to 'swerve' around a white stationary object on the carriageway that can be seen for hundreds of metres upon approach? Simply slow and overtake when safe to do so, just like passing a bus at a bus stop, a skip, or one of the millions of other parked vehicles. Go over the speed limit?