MY THOUGHTS ON THOSE ALTOIDS TIN KITS
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2023
- ok i am not saying these are bad..what i am saying is they should not be the stand alone ""SURVIVAL KITS"" I hope i will explain it well enough in the video to show my thoughts on this very popular topic.. thanks for watching
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The tin, for me, is a cute way to separate kit items. A makeshift fishing kit fits in a tin. Fire starters and some tinder fit in a tin. Beyond that, and ideas like that, the collection of tins should be in a larger haversack or go bag.
I agree too
me as well
Yep, tins and similar containers make for good 'separators'. In addition, they protect the contents therein from getting damaged.
One such separator I use is an old Aluminium Aerosol Can, top cut off and with a metal lid from a glass pickle bottle. Therein goes my little Soda Can Alcohol Stove made from a 200ml (6-7 oz?) Energy Drink Can, rolled Aluminium Windscreen, Plastic Fuel Bottle, additional Whiskey Bottle Top Burner filled with Ceramic / Glass Wool, a little square of heat-restant Silicon Pad and a metal Paper Clip .. bent to form a handle with hook on the end (good for lifting / moving hot lids, burners and such). Now my go-to for ages and I can chuck it in wherever without the risk of the contents getting damaged or lost.
Total agreement. I have a kit for fishing, a kit for sewing, a small kit for fire starting, a kit with a small first aid kit, another kit with small bottles of spices for cooking. The tins are just to keep everything from getting lost in a bigger container.
this is basically what I came to say.. Ive put together a lot of the little kits in the past but now I use the small containers for individual kits like meds, fire, fishing etc
I fell into the Altoids tin kits during the COVID shutdown. It was fun seeing how much I could squeeze into them. Now I just use them to organize small items such as needles or fish hooks and sinkers and such things and pack them in my larger more useful kit. They also work quite well for making char-cloth but for survival ... Go larger!
I love the teddy bear analogy. When I first got into preparedness, I put together an altoids tin. As I grew, the tin became laughable and inept. I made a 2 pouch 10Cs kit that dropped into both cargo pockets. It was filled with quality gear and was a good bare bones kit, but after walking around with it all day, I found it annoying banging around my knees, and now I will not go smaller than a sling pack big enough to hold a gi canteen set, cordage, lighter in a Exotac fire sleeve, headlamp, and either a light tarp or plastic sheeting. The knife is on me.
As you said, it's a great mental exercise. We used to obsess over the one in the SAS Survival Guide as kids, it's a cheap enough thing for kids to do independently and it makes you think, use and rethink over and over. Im told in the British army they were more or less the place you put the small or breakable stuff in skeleton order webbing which was a system that could be used independently of the backpack if that had to be ditched or you were travelling light. That makes it make more sense. Personally, I have a smallish possibles sack in my rucksack with a big long cord to tie it up. Has all the small gizmos necessary without having to squeeze stuff into a tin.
The "SAS Survival Guide", was written by a guy named John "Lofty"Weisman, who had been in the 22 SAS, for I believe 22 years? He got the idea from the original British Altoids Survival Kits, that they were issued. I'm not sure, but I think he would go into the uses of it, when he taught his Survival school? This was probably thirty years ago? He'd probably get a big kick out of so called, "survivalists" nowadays, using these things?
I love the tins to compartmentalize things for storage - great for protecting drink mixes, small FAK, fire kit, or whatever. Easy to mark what each is and modularize in my main pack.
Agreed, I use them for the same purpose. Great for that.
@@kamaeq Same here.
Another ditto... carry a set of these individual kits in an old Walkman case from Pro-Logic, great for organizing and accessing what I need. Also have one in my possibles pouch dedicated for just FAK items. Useful but not as a single carry item.
I used to go out hunting, when I lived in Michigan. I always carried a belt pouch with a few key items in it, in case of emergencies.
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FINALLY, someone is “keeping it real” with what many of us have thought and said about those “survival” Altoid tins!!
A month or so ago, I challenged a YT creator to do an overnight video of his extremely small/minimalist “survival” kit and the response was he could do it because he had the knowledge and skill and didn’t need to do a video! 😂😂😂.
As far as I'm aware, the survival tin gained traction through John Lofty Wiseman, ex-SAS survival instructor who wrote the SAS survival handbook, and who became a bit of a ''celebrity'' (not in the current sense of the word) in the mid 80s in the UK when his BBC TV series was prime time viewing. SAS or Special Air Service are not pilots, they are flown to deployments by the RAF or the Army Air Corps. Pilots in any air force or air corps, or navy for that matter, can have more extensive survival kits.
The usage was extremely niche and limited even within the SAS. Bear in mind that regular (full time) SAS is just one batallion, 500 men, and there are 2 reserve batallions. It was a last ditch pocket carry for the unlikely event that a soldier was separated from his belt kit and rucksack, for example a night ambush when he is sleeping and has to fight through or evacuate just with his weapon and the clothes he is wearing. The next level survival kit was a pouch carried on the belt alongside 1 or 2 water bottles, and ammo pouches, it contained a cooking vessel, a bit of food and brew kit, and emergency flares among other items. Also it was not issued to the SAS, they put them together themselves from privately purchased items. It was and still is common to augment issue kit with privately purchased gear.
Other arms and services in the British Army carried webbing i.e. a belt with harness, with larger pouches on the back, a bit like the old Alice butt pack, containing 24 hours rations, clean socks, washing and shaving gear, mess tins and stove with solid fuel, and a poncho was carried in a roll on top of or under those 2 pouches. This configuration was called CEFO (combat equipment fighting order) and the soldier was supposed to be able to subsist from this for 24 hours if needs be, in a situation where he didn't have access to his bergen (rucksack) with sleeping bag and more clothing. Webbing plus bergen was CEMO (combat equipment marching order) The bergen would be left in the harbour area (bivouac) but webbing was always worn unless asleep, or it would be ditched if he came under fire and had to advance to contact. I'm talking about pre 1994 when equipment changed in the British Army. Most other soldiers did carry a similar sized tin in our pockets, an old school tobacco tin, containing a pack of smokes and a lighter, to prevent them getting wet in the rain or if crawling through marshland or a stream.
So the usage scenario of this type of survival tin was extremely limited and only for the best special forces operators, the SAS. As such they are completely unsuitable for anyone else in a normal outdoors scenario, as you say. It's good to have at least a lighter and a folding knife in your pockets, and maybe a snack. Otherwise a belt pouch is the absolute minimum, or a scout pack type haversack. I do this in the field, for example if I go off to collect firewood, I make sure I have the pouch on my belt for just in case.
What a great write up. What many Altoid fans fail to mention is that the SAS book contains a larger kit that most never bother to showcase when they talk about the tin kits. I have several tin kits, I also have a PSK based on using what I already carry as EDC (knife, flashlight, etc.) people need to get away from this "Altoid" fan boy and start to focus on small kits/medium kits/large kits. etc; based on their area, their activity, their training, and their mode of transportation.
I AGREE..!!
I AGREE..!!
I AGREE..!!
the only thing I use an altoids tin for is carrying and making char I also have flint and steel in it.. THATS IT..!!! I have always thought 99% of what people put together is just a novelty and mostly a joke when needed to be depended upon..!!! Give me a good knife and I'll make due.. if I don't have a knife, I'll make one.. done..!! Great video..!! Semper-fi sir..!!
I have an altoids tin kit, it's part of my EDC. If I were planning to go hiking, camping, etc I would bring my tin kit but also a messenger bag/haversack/backpack because everything in the tin is the smallest version. Better than nothing, but not as good as a full size.
The way I utilize the tins is by making separate kits that make a larger kit like a fire tin, a repair tin, a first aid tin exc. They work good for organizing your stuff
The tins make great containers for some individual elements of a survival kit. A flint and steel container (with tinder), a VERY basic FAK, a basic fishing kit, etc. I once was part of a group who experimented, using a Coghlan’s survival kit in a can (looked like a sardine can), by spending one night outside in April, 30 miles outside of Peace River, Alberta. We used what we wore on our person on a daily basis, for that time of year (our EDC, if you will) and whatever we could utilize from our surroundings. It got down to 5*C (40 degrees F). It got really interesting that night, to say the least! We all got through the night OK, some better than others and some much better than the rest of us! It was a learning experience and most of us learned we needed to be much better prepared and knowledgable about how to view our surroundings and utilize the materials at hand better.
these kits are last ditch backups at best!!!
Yeah they can be good containers in larger kit as well. Lets say you carry fishing kit then something like this makes great container for all the hooks, and smaller items. Then having this kinda small metal container can be good for making stuff like charcloth in the field
Altoid tins are a great complimentary kit but in no way will they be as effective as an actual kit. Extra matches or tinder. Maybe some small fishing hooks and line for fishing and snares. But you need something much more robust to save your bacon. With that said, it is better than not having anything.
@@TheHighAngler I agree totally. From the experience I got of that experiment, it’s possible to survive using the Coghlans tin but it required the right clothing for time of year and an minimum EDC kit, or at minimum a good quality multitool.
Greetings Blackie- I hope the newbie bushcrafters run across this video because most people Ive seen carrying small tins like this are hoping to get into the craft or are inexperienced. I do think any kit is better than no kit at all, but the only thing I use a small tin like this for is fire starting items. You made some good points here Blackie and hopefully this will make folks think about making changes to their kits. Thanks for this video and look forward to your next one. Be safe out there-
You really said what folks have been thinking all this time.
Thanks for the video. Gotta keep it real folks
Thanks for watching
👍 Altoids tins are great for storing Altoids. Thankfully, I have outgrown the need for the emotional comfort of a Teddy Bear. Excellent video with some REAL life advice. Thank you for sharing.
you really are excluding a great asset. It takes imagination to make a tin some just don't have it.
@@karolynrice6267 I applaud imagination. Good fortune with your “teddy bear” kit. I’ll stick with my real kit.
glad to do it
I recently saw a Way Point Survival video on a small kit in a Prince Albert tobacco can. It showed some promise, but still not convinced these small containers have value as standalone kits. I believe a real kit can be placed in a pouch a little larger than a sunglass case as suggested by Cody Lundin in his 1st book.
I've built them just because having a little is better than having nothing, and having a small kit with you -- especially if one lacks the skills a more experienced woodsman might have. Besides, I carry mine in a small camera pouch along with an emergency blanket, and wrapped in paracord. Love my Teddy Bear. ;-) Oh, and I do have a satchel and a couple of prepacked backpacks. I prefer layers of protection, starting with my brain, the ultimate survival -- or suicide -- tool. That's the choice we each have to make.
they can be a great part of a over all kit plan i use them often that way
I was on a canoe trip in Ontario Canada in May and the water was incredibly cold, My buddies went out fishing in their canoe, They were gone for a very long time what had happened is that they tipped the boat, And they lost everything they had with them pretty much, the water was incredibly cold they had to swim the boat to shore. That is when i decided to carry small kits on my person, in mine have have signal mirror , water bag and water tablets, whistle, fire steel striker, fishing kit, tinder, flashlight, fire Basel , and often a few other things and it has come in hardy a few times so far on camping trips and day to day
Very well put .. they are good for making component kits. Ie. Fire kit. First aid kit signal kit. Repair kit Fishing kit. Snare kit etc. and put them into a real kit
Very well said. I agree completely with your assessment and I thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
I would carry one of these, just in case *something* happened (canoe turned over, fell off a small cliff, etc.) and I lost everything, or myself, and I didn’t have access to my pack. And you are right, Blackie, building one does get people thinking outside the box when choosing their own main kit.
you can get a belt pouch that is about 2x4x6 that will hold 8 times as much and actually give you somthing to survive on.
thanks for watching
A sewing kit, a kit for making fire, a small fishing kit, a small first aid kit, are all options for an altoids tin. Even a couple of tea light candles and some matches for emergency lighting is an option. Useful for keeping things organized, but certainly not an all purpose kit.
However, if you get one of those plastic walmart ammo cans to carry your various altoids tins in, and add a few items, then put the ammo can in a bag so it is easy to carry, the ammo can is useful as a bucket for carrying water, or as a wash basin, and you can dump everything from the ammo can into your bag until you are done with it. Which is the way I prefer to organize my kits. That way if I want to use my bag to gather and carry foraged plants, or fire tender, I can just take the ammo can out without dumping stuff on the ground.
Where a small kit is useful is for kids backpacks for school. Bandaids, a couple of tylenol, antihistamines, gravol, etc, emergency phone numbers in case their phone is missing or dead, addresses of friends who live near the school within walking distance, emergency cash, etc, etc. With an extra hat, gloves and pocket warmers in case the school bus breaks down or gets stranded in the snow. All stuff my kid has needed at one point or another over the years.
I've thought the same way for years. My shoulder bag with water comes in under 5lbs. A fanny pack with two water bottles makes a lot more sense than the Altoids tin. The fanny pack would leave room for a hammock, gsi cup, other essentials and even some food.
sounds like a good kit
Blackie, your logic is bullet proof. I can't argue with anything you've said.
I agree with you 100% I do keep a tin in the bottom of my haversack to store less often used items in like needles/thread, fishing hooks/line, Duct tape, compass, mini backup flashlight, sharpening stone and it doubles as a char tin which puts 5 of the 10 C’s and a couple extra things in a very small package.
Thanks for sharing!!
I like the little tins for carrying tinder. You can also use them to make char.
they work well for that
I am sooooooo glad you said something about that. I love the idea of a small compact kit, however like you said, if you have the space carry a proper kit. Love this stuff.
glad to do it
Like the video Blackie. I like those little Altoids tin's as they make great organizer's, a place to store things like toenail clippers, nail file and safety pin's. And they work great for making a small sewing kit, but a survival kit nope sorry. It may be part of my survival kit but it is not going to be all I carry.
A very sober and realistic analysis of the Altoid tin survival kit concept. I'm very impressed you pulled out the wisdom of using them as a mental exercise for reducing space and weight of gear. I've felt that way and never heard another person make that point
That is a good point, the Altoid Tin is just a mental exercise. I have one made-up and carry it with me. It carries
1. A McGyver knife
2. Bic Lighter
3. Box of matches
4. Folded napkin for Tinder
5. Small safety pins
6. Strip of Paracetamol -10 tablets
7. Pencil Sharpener
Like you said, could it save me? Perhaps not, but it keeps me improving on and when I need something for a headache or a cut, I know where it is and can get it.
I enjoy watching the videos you make and see if our opinions match, sometimes they do, like this and the one for the walking stick - I got that idea from a 1911 issue of the Boy Scout Handbook/Manual. One thing it said was to make markings on it - one side for one meter, the other side for one foot, and small marks for each. I feel sad for the way the Boy Scouts have gone but I enjoy all that I am learning from your videos and the others that you recommend. Take care and stay well.
i agree its a good kit to set up to practice and carry just back it up a bit
@@blackoracle69 Thanks, I enjoy watching your videos and learning about the old style, like the Boy Scout equipment.
Exactly. It is not enough. But a couple altoids kits, an emergency blanket, and a thin poncho stuffed into a butt pack with a metal water bottle clipped to the pack and you're most of the way there. My car pack can be quite a bit bigger and has some extra things for quick and dirty car repairs. I did some car camping for a remote job and developed a reasonably functional kit for camping at state/county parks.
Right now I'm working up some survival kits in a small butt pack, a medium butt pack and a large military butt pack. One small butt pack is done with dollar/thrift/good_will store contents.
exactly i use them al the tims as mini kits that are part of a larger kit like fishing ,first aid, trapping , ect
My brothers and I used to make these in the 70s when we went into the woods with our bb guns. They were fun to make and fill with thing. Looking back, it was our teddy bear.
lol oh i know i am gonna get burned for saying that
Blackie..... Finally, some common sense!! Thanks for sharing. Ax
thank you
I have to agree with you. My survival kit is packed into a 25liter hiking pack. I use another made by following the 2 piece Marine Corp kit from vietnam
days. It fits in my cargo pockets, half the kit in each pocket. I used full sized articles. Full sized compass, mirror, whistle etc...
Oh Blackie, say it ain't so! 😊😊😊 Love the teddy bear analogy, something to keep the mind occupied till rescue comes. A SAK and a lighter in your pocket. Your " Survival Kit" in your head. Chears, Pink.
thanks for watching brother
Thanks for your perspective
My pleasure!
Good video Blackie , thanks for sharing , God bless !
thank you
I used to use those to carry extra ball, patch, and primer for muzzle-loader season. Later, I started making small kits as a hobby---just to see how much stuff I could cram into it--it got to be a real art form, like building a ship in a bottle. The only one I carry is my emergency fishing kit---find a 5 foot stick and we're good to go! My survival kit is my backpack---anything I could possibly need for an unplanned overnight stay in the woods is in there.
i have to
Back in the day we used 2x 2oz tobacco tins with the lids glued together. Made for a good cargo pocket kit. one for fire, one for FAK. But it was only ever part of a kit. never the only thing.
Thanks for being real Blackie! My thoughts exactly.
Hi Blackie , greeting from Australia, thank you for time to make these videos. The 5c should be the minimum for all emergency, the altoid tins are good for fishing kit, sewing kit , small boo-boo kit,small fire kit, used individually by themselves.Verry well said and explained ,thank you,
Undestood. Totaly agree! Thank You Blackie. Greetings from France ^_^
Excellent counsel, Blackie!!
Glad to hear someone lay it out this way because I’m thinking, if I’m going anywhere, I want something of substance. It doesn’t have to be a 10 lb bag but that tin by itself is not really being properly prepared.
Blackie, I've been trying to bring back the fanny pack for YEARS.. You can hold a ton and it's right there.....
Great vidio blackie as n extra it helps enjoyed the talk
THANK YOU! It’s just a novel little kit for amusement…NOTHING MORE…..THANK YOU FOR BEING HONEST!
Well said and thanks!
Good advice!
Amen. You can put a pretty good fire kit in an altoids can. Like you said it is an exercise that gets you to think about what you actually need. I want to see a altoids tin challenge where they have to go out in a rainstorm and survive a weekend with an altoids can kit.
Agreed!
Well said!
took the words right out of my mouth ...🙂
thanks for watching
Excellent!
Iuse the tins for basically a way to make Char and hold flint and steel. Another for improvised fishing kit and some bandaids. But they go into a slightly larger kit. You are so right my friend
Yep, couldn't agree with you more on this, at the very least I would pack one that has a locking lid an would be at least 6in by 6in x 2 in high an would fit in a cargo pocket. Then an only then, would I bother carrying one. Being Ex- AF, I saw those survival tins that pilots got, an would maybe work on an island, or the jungle, but doubtful if you could make it in a colder climate with one. Thx for the vid Blackie
😊thanks blackie
LMAO I love the Teddy Bear analogy. So true but never heard it called a Teddy Bear.
When I was a young scout, my leader a had a saying. You can’t wear what you didn’t bring. It’s the same with those little survival kits. You can’t use what you didn’t bring. Be prepared
For years now I have used Altoid tins as a wallet of sorts. I fold up a paper towel and place it at the bottom to deaden the noise of clanking change. Then I can have several bills folded up and placed on top of the change. Altoids tins are made so the corners of the standard credit card catch in the corners of the tin insomuch as you can then tip it upsidedown and all the contents will be retained by the credit cards. THEN a slice of a 3.50" motorcycle inner tube cut as wide as the tin's thickness is wrapped around it's edge. That keeps it from just flying open. It is kept in my left cargo pocket of US military camo pants....works for me.
Very well said. I totally agree with you!
I agree with you 👍. I have a tin with a small fire kit with Char cloth, fat wood sticks, fero rod, tinder quick and vasaline gauze. And a lighter taped to it. But I also have a bigger kit with me. It is my backup.
Ahaha!!! "Reality Check". I totally agree with you Blackie. I think an altoids tins work well to separate items into smaller kits or backup kits, but not total kits.......just too small.
Tin can survival kit equals, your last resort when all else is gone. Great info Blackie 👍🏻👍🏻⚓🔱🇺🇲🇺🇲
thanks for watching
Well put, sir!
Well said! Big takeaway “If your going anywhere bring a real kit, the ten C’s”
Altoid tins are a great organizational tool for small components of sub-kits:
1. Hooks/leader/weights/bobber/commercial baits in a fishing kit.
2. Bandaids/alcohol wipes/anti-biotic ointment/safety pins in a first aid kit.
3. Flint and steel/tinder/ matches/vaseline soaked drier lint in a fire kit.
4. Seasoning/spice packets in a cook kit.
5. Needles/pins/razorblade/crazy glue in a sewing kit.
6. Patches/glue in repair kit for inflatables
7. Ready made snares for small game in a hunting kit.
8. Various coin size batteries for electronic devices.
9. Repellant pads for Thermacell
10. Making small batches of char-cloth
They have great uses, for containing small bits which are part of various kits, which make you your basic kit.
I love Altoids when hiking !
Spot on Blackie! One can do so much better if you are depending on a kit to bail yourself out!
I agree with you 100%. A tin for survival is not practical. I call those tins a "fun box." Something to play and practice with. I have also seen compressed survival bags that I would call "party bags" for the same reasons.
Blackie as a female veteran I sure do appreciate your channel. Also if you carry this you should water proof the box so the innards don’t get wet. Think outside the box. 😉 thanks for what you do.
Ty for sharing a makes sense video…
Exactly!!! Well said!!!
I agree with you. With your point of them having a parachute survival kit, if you had to eject from a plane, the SRU-16/P parachute survival kit (that came with the parachute) also assumes that you STILL HAVE THE PARACHUTE and many feet of paracord. So you have like 8 of the 10 C's covered right there. The Cover component is one of the bulkiest.
In terms of the Altoids tin survival kit, it was a thought experiment by the Boy Scouts. If all you had was what you could fit in the tin, what would you bring? This was designed to get them thinking about it and realizing that you really could NOT put everything you need into a small kit. It's a great supplement, but as other people have commented, it's really just a container that you can make for a subdivision of your real survival kit: one for fire kit, one for water kit, etc. You can make a pretty good fire kit with tinder. You can make a water kit with a whirl pak and water purification tabs. You CANNOT fit all of this stuff into a single tin.
I love the tins and prince albert cans and have used them for 3/4 of a century never as stand alones but for fire kits, charcloth kit, and fishing lures.
i agree they are great to hold smaller parts of a kit
good video
Thanks for the visit
Thanks Blackie
my pleasure
I appreciate your honesty Blackie, and I'm in full agreement with your views on the tins. I'm a believer in the 10 C's as a minimum kit or the kit that Lofty Wiseman speaks about in the SAS survival guide. He talks about 2-3 kits, one supplementing the other as a survival kit
I like the way you think. You're keeping it real. Keep it up, Blackie.
Great points
THANKS
You are correct sir
thanks
I get guys that want me to mount those on knife sheaths and I refuse to for a lot of the same reasons! A ferro rod and honing rod on a sheath is maxed out for me. The rest is up to your skills.
often they want a knife sheath with all the stuff on it and then its a awkward sheath to wear always hanging on stuff
Well said .
Preach it brother! Been saying the same thing for years!
Thanks for the reality check
Amen Blackie...
I agree with you. Those kits are fine as part of a modular approach. Stuffing them too much is not really a good idea. They have a tendency to spill some of their content.
I have a kit of that size in a waterproof tobacco tin and one in the size of the BCB survival kit. The bigger one resides in a pocket of my M65. For me these are backup items that I want to have with me and I want them protected. They complement other stuff I carry or wear.
I met some people who considered such kits as standalone survival kits. Many of them would be challenged with an impromptu overnighter using a much more extensive kit.
If your partner gives you a hummer with a mint altoid in her mouth you will forget all about brushcrafting and have a whole new thing to obsess over.
I use altoids tin for making char . I have not been able to make them into anything but a fire kit thanks for the honesty
Any time!
Amen brother. Nuff said.
Wise words Blackie👍
I agree with your premise Blackie, these kits using small tins (i.e. altoid tins) are great to supplement more comprehensive kits.
I use Glide ASE military survival tins, as well as ESEE tins, which are bit bigger than the Altoid tins to supplement my kits.
it's not meant to take you through "the big picture". It's meant to help you through the next 24-48 hours. So matches/bic lighter, some fishing line, a hook, a small knife, and tinder.
I agree that if you are *planning* to be in a remote area, you should have a proper kit - essentially a minimal backpacking kit. But I sometimes find myself in a remote area without planning the trip. Then it’s good to have something to make fire with, some cordage to make a shelter with, and a way to acquire safe drinking water. I keep a water collection bag and purification tablets in mine, 20 feet or so of 100 lb test cordage, a lighter, and a whistle, and a few little things like nails and sewing needle and a backup folding knife. It is enough to survive an unexpected night out in the woods if something goes wrong. If I expect to be in that position or it’s likely, I take more. But in the times when I have run into trouble over my decades as a hiker, it was running out of water that was the most difficult problem to solve. So carrying a water bag and tablets takes care of that. You can make a debris shelter with your hands. You can figure out where east is when the day breaks. You can yell or bang rocks together for signaling. But you can’t make water safe without tools like the tablets and a bag or bottle, unless you carve out a log or something and put hot stones in. That’s going to be really difficult if you’re injured.
I only use one of the old brass tobacco tins to store my char, striker, and flint in my firestarter kit. Even on an easy day hike I carry my haversack.
thank you. I have been saying this exact same thing for years. small tins are great for components for kits, but it is not a full kit. I have said 100 times, if you can survive with an Altoids tin kit, you could survive without it.
Hey Blackie, this is a little off subject but just gotta say I love your gun butter! I recommend it highly!
I agree that a survival kit that small is near useless; however, I use them to make char cloth on an alcohol stove. Another one carries petroleum jelly soaked cotton balls and wood shavings. Another one contains a basic fishing kit. They are great organizers.
I never put much faith into those small kits, but they would be a good supplement to a bigger kit or a bare minimum for a survival knife sheath. Great video.
Those Altoid Smalls Tins are great for holding two full boxes of Strike on Box Wood Matches. line it with wax paper that laps back over the top under the lid for a little water resistance and keep them in your blue jean change pocket.
Loved the Teddy Bear label.
Agree that minimum kit for me has to have fire water shelter.
Thank you Blackie...!! I've been trying my best to get just my bare essentials into one of those tins, and I just can't do it. Being a Silver Wolf... just my medication require 2 tins. 😂
Thanks for your knowledge..!!