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otis gen2: stopped to 0 metres a second in 0 seconds
Omega: stop button=GO FUCKEN FASTER
Try to turn the mains off while it is moving. If it stops immeadietly it means that the brake is software controlled.
Mukha mo?! NAKA-BRAKE NA?!
Used to do a lot of surfing (lift rope inspections )working in a triple shaft no barriers between scary as counterweights whip past. Take care Beno.
Beno I have been binge watching all your videos!!! Love your content man keep up the great work
Salamat!
Unbelievable that this lift is allowed to be in service!
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That is one serious design fault. How can it be in service and how can it be type approved? I’ve heard that chinese companies sometimes fake CE markings, they pretent to be adhering to the conformity regulations but they actually don’t. This lift has that “Aliexpress” quality to it in regards to product safety. I.e. no safety at all. It is absolutely horrible that systems are becoming increasingly dependent on software, that whole Silicon Valley mentality “we fix it with the next firmware update” gives me shivers. I’ve read stories on the software engineering practices at Tesla and I fear that the same software engineering mentality creeps in on safety critical systems. Imagine if lift logic was developed like the GoPro firmware, it would crash all the time!🥶
Yun pala!
I'm sure that's why so many lift accidents happen in China. There are improper safety systems which lead to lifts suddenly free falling into the roof while people are getting on. Just because they decided to cheap out/avoid regulations and protocol.
@@ex5138 Baka may chinese lifts dito sa PILIPINAS, Eh, ngayong panahon ng pandemya.
holy shit. that is a serious issue. reminds me of a local company we took over when it went bankrupt: HiQuaLift (ironic, yea)
when you turned on the car top inspection, it would still respond to a floor call. i was lucky to have tested the car top stop button before, because that scared the shit out of me. we took all of the lifts with that type controller out of service immediately, until we found a solution for this problem. that can get someone killed.
eventually, we let the inspection switch toggle a relay in the controller cabinet, that cut the main lead for the landing call buttons, rendering them unusable.
Very nice coverage of this! A lot of people should definitely be made aware of this
More engineers need to learn the lessons of the Therac-25
Or better yet, be forced to apply their own safety design to a Therac-25. Let's see how many are willing to go under the beam then.
Oof... How software safety killed 3 people
Therac-25 had no hardware safety and relied on buggy software.
Older machines did have these safety features.
@@hobocamps1 You can read about all of the machine's problems
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25
Many thanks for the very clear explanation on the safety circuitry!
mom can we have lift at home
no we already have lift at home
lift:
Loved the diagragm and explanation of the safety relay. I binge your videos but don't know anything about the relays or electric systems involved in lifts, so this is great!. Have you ever seen the Secret Life of Machines episode on lifts? I highly recommened the series to anyone interested in mechanics / machinery.
Omega totally stole KONE’s logo. It’s not even funny how similar they are. I’m surprised KONE hasn’t done something about this (or maybe they have).
Oh, di ba? ANG OMEGA, NINAKAWAN NG LOGO NG KONE!!!!! Talagang may report si Dano Tingcungco, ha?
@@rsx-797drivelineinstitute8 ???????
Benedek Halda-Kiss he was saying:
Right? Omega stole Kone’s logo! Dano Tingcungco has a report!
Or something like that
That elevator configuration should be banned!
NAKA-BANNED TALAGA ANG SOFTWARE CONFIGURATION?
Why? ❄️
@@Andrewjg_89 watch the video and you'll see.
"Damn, this is taking forever"
"Hang on i've got just the thing"
*INTENSE SAFETY BREAKING INTENSIFIES*
"WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?"
*ding* Floor 3... Doors opening, lift going up
"There we go"
Imagine it doing that at the top of the shaft YEAHHHH…
MAY NAG-SURF sa taas ng shaft elevator?
It’s sad that some building owners and these cowboy lift companies like omega dont care about peoples safety, hopefully they get sued
I think the owner is expecting a safe reliable lift, unless we know better. But i agree with you, i would cut the main power and padlock the switch!
Emosyonal ka ba?
@@rsx-797drivelineinstitute8 we don’t understand what you’re saying, do you speak English?
The same lift was at Prosper Plaza, a place in Bucharest. When safety bypassing and doing what you did there, it does the same thing. In March 2022, the place burned down, and finally, that piece of shit lift was finally removed! Hope they install a better lift, like a KONE or a Schindler.
Question : What if youre inside a elevator/lift and then the safety circuit is broken and youre stuck between to floors?
Would there be anyway to get out of here? Let's assume this is an even older lift that didn't got it's emergency phone lines modernized , what would then happen?
If the safety circuit is broken the lift can not move apart from if it is part of the pre-door procedure. There is no way of getting out of a lift if the inner door is locked, or if it is unlocked and you can't reach the rollers.
@@benolifts btw how do you reach the door rollers on euro doors when trapped? (when you have no friend with you)
You said in your "detailed look at an ecodisc" vid that you always should check the car top controls before going surfing in automatic.
@@CrazyPlayer-pf2hv In the worst case scenario you would have to climb the shaft. Be careful of the door edges with your hands as they can be like knifes and cut your skin.
Imagine someone's arm is caught in the tracks and you push the stop button and the lift shoots upwards Holy Cow!
Pre door logic used to be common with the relay controlled lifts. I remember one where the brake was not coming on and the lift was ocilating with an almost 2 foot amplitude. What amazed me was that people were still using it, jumping in and out. I informed the building caretaker who turned it off from the keyswitch in the car. I half expected the caretaker to get the rise of his life however the brake came on with the key.
It sounds like the VF drive is actually running after safety break.
I need to do more tests to find out exactly what is happening. On inspection the lift stops gently using the VF when you let go of the buttons. This is always a bad sign. Also sometimes it shoots upwards unexpectedly.
@@benolifts Test what happens on safety break when going down.
Naka-Safety Break ba ang VF Drive?!
@@nelsonahlvik6650 Most likely a lot less interesting; the governor would trip before it could overspeed. Or it could change direction and start going up because counterweight.
@@TheDragonFire123 I wanted to know if it would overspeed or change direction or just stop
I love videos of lifts. And that lift that goes fast is what how dangerous they can be. Still epic tho. #LiftLivesMatter
BUMAGAL BA?!
RSX-797 Driveline Institute Sod off. I don’t understand what you said.
EssexLad 8919 telling somebody to sod off cause you don’t understand them? wheyyy
dude you have no idea how much anxiety the first clip gave me...
This is why you don't make the E stop in software.
E stop sa Software ha?
@@rsx-797drivelineinstitute8 SaasB software as a stop button
@@kmcat NAKA-STOP BA?
The second Dangerous Lift video.
EWAN KO NA LANG KUNG MAY NAG-SURF NG DANGEROUS LIFT!
@@oscaroidacomedyfan3155 I don't understand.
Triangle Key
Very informative and interesting. I'm going to have to watch out for these, and that's just speaking as a normal passenger!
This is the DAAAAAAAAANGEROUS LIFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aren't public lifts subject to independent examinations by the insurance company?
Yes under loler regulations
Totoo ba yan?!
@@lukec571 I thought loler regulations are for cranes. As far as I know, lifts are regulated though health and safety laws.
@@benolifts nope everything that lifts if people involved 6 monthly inspection required by a independent competent person if goods only its 12 monthly
Lifts definitely have a 6 monthly independent insurance inspection 2 near me were took out of service for 6 weeks during Covid as they couldn’t get them out to them.
You can clearly hear that VVF is still active- It's 100% software mistake- Somebody should be in jail
omega lift: I love myself
every lift and generic lifts: OMEGA LIFTS PLIS GO OUT OF FECKIN SERVICE
Insane! Wonder if it would still do this if it hit over run too? It would crash through the ceiling 😨!
I wonder the same thing.
Bruh not only the elevator safety is broken, but also something about the fact that it even speeds up almost twice its limit before stopping. XD
Honestly, i when i realized about the speed, i was hoping to see you guys do the same, but on the way down, for the governor to trip.
Also, because of this, i think it would be good idea to invent two way governor, just for this specific purpose of it going over its speed limit going up.
All lifts in the UK after 2016 have to have a 2-way governor.
@@ukraineball953 How does THAT work?
This lift wouldn't run if the safety circuit don't stop the lift...
It's dangerous.
Try cutting safety just as it's approaching top of shaft.
*slams into roof*
And indian was crushed to death the same way when he was repairing the elevator. Same elevator company it's omega. It's because the safety failed
safety circuit wouldn't necessarily stop him getting crushed, also lift shafts are usually much taller than a person ontop the lift at the highest floor. This is probably clickbait as there are several asian news networks that often lie and try to dumb us down with lifts.
@@jakewynn I live in the same city and it was viral everywhere. It's not a recent news but just told in the comment section. He was repairing the top part where his leg was outside and hip parts were inside due to which he got crushed by the ceiling wall and the elevator which resulted in his death. Cant be a clickbait because saw the dead body and the incident in our national news .
@@jakewynn and I agree with the news shit about local state news😏
@@rai.shraavan Makes more sense now (:
@@jakewynn 🙂✌️
Never trust generics
thats so dangerous like what is someone is in that elevator(im us) and suddenly safety breaks
Omg just watching the clip where it shot off I literally almost crapped my pants
what do you think is going on with that elevator with the logic?
WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!?! This is the most dangerous modern lift i have ever seen.
AY?! ANG BAGAL!!!!
that wouldn't fly here in north america that's for sure
May US Dollar ba?
@@rsx-797drivelineinstitute8 what do you mean?
Emet Playz Talking shit I reckon that person 😂
@@Andrewjg_89 maybe
@@pineappleroad same here
Ohhh beno
Eh, parang lift filmer siya!!!
That lift should not be in service! Unbelievable!
Was there anyone inside the elevator when the elevator almost hit u?
You've ever seen those videos of Chinese Elevators almost killing ppl bc of safety issues while the door is open?
That is completely unsafe! That is also ridiculous.
Eh, bakit ang lift na tila naka-dangerous!?!
@@rsx-797drivelineinstitute8 It's dangerous because when the safety is broken, it should stop immediately. As seen here it took over 3 seconds which is too long.
Beno can you make a video about pre doors safty?
OSHA needs to see this, how did this get qc pass IF it even did
how do you estimate the speed of the lift?
Just guess
Have you surfed on this lift ben?
Eh hindi siya mag-surf!
He has if you watch his previous videos
Good video 👍 😁
O, di ba?!
RSX-797 Driveline Institute 🛎🔚
This elevator's safety system is badly designed - if the software crashes while the elevator goes in either direction, the cabin will just keep going. There are many videos of elevator CCTV footage showing such software failure in action. This could potentially the elevator to overshoot the top, or bottom floor, possibly injuring passengers. There's at least one such incident, which happened in 2014. ruclips.net/video/WrvsfP1PxYk/видео.html - take a note on the floor indicator being stuck at -2 level for a bit until the software realizes the elevator has lost its position, indicated by the dashes on the display.
That video you linked to was not a software faliure. That was a break failiure causing the lift to shoot upwards. This happened because the counterweight weighs about 50% the weight of a fully loaded car, so if there was only one person in the lift, the counterweight would be heavier, so it would fall downwards which would pull the lift upwards. All the other videos you mentioned were probably due to the same reason. The likleyhood of that being caused by software is next to impossible, since it would need to be lacking a proper safety circuit AND have crappy software. Also the lift in that video was going way above it's top speed, which software could bot cause unless it was somhow able to control the brake directly.
Omg Im surprized that omega hasent gotten sued to hell yet because if I was an engineer working on these and I got my hand chopped off Id break absolute hell with them with the casted stump where my hand used to be
Cool!
KONE needs to replace it
With its own elevator
@@Anounymous79nl what would they else replace it with??
So if you some how got here to the US then you wouldn’t even have to worry about crappy stuff like this
Do a lift adventure in Cardiff
I have
@@benolifts Can you do a lift adventure in windsor? Then
oh boi
Oh no thank you Id rather keep my arms than to have them chopped off by hundreds of thousands of pounds of metal
This shall be banned!
EH, BANNED TALAGA?! JAMES AGUSTIN!?
Snowflake ❄️
Sorry for this comment, but this lift would be a great candidate for a good old freefall like you see in all those clickbait videos. :)
Naka-freefall na ba ha?!
Clickbait videos are just as fun 😂😂
Can you make more videos about dangerous elevators?
Wow.
one of this systems are in my lift
Opt for a replacement of logic immediately
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I think cheap lifts from China should be banned, because cheap Chinese lifts are most likely absolute shit. Imagine a safety circuit that when it is broken, it makes the lift shoot up before I guess the e-brakes are applied and the lift is stopped.
bypass
in the US where I live thankfully this sort of thing doesn’t exist
Oscar Oida, nakatutok, 24 Oras!
how just how tho
Good question
Oy, hindi kailangan mag-surf ng mga generic lifts dito sa isang tower sa United Kingdom? Talagang hindi pa rin bayaran ng tuition fee, ha? May mga Tiktokers pa kamo!
WALANG GANUN, MARS!!!
Sana nandito na naman si Rodrigo Duterte!
EWAN KO NA LANG KUNG MABAGAL NA ANG DANGEROUS GENERIC ELEVATOR!
Hey Austin this is guys
Hey Windows this is serious
Guys this “person” will keep on commenting because he loves spamming on Beno’s videos.
Be quiet or be in a lion's diet.
Hey guys this is the shut up police
hey omega this is dangerous
You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
don't I?
+boostage52 Elaborate on your claim