Incidents like this in the first corner and the first lap happen almost every race. When there is a gap a competative driver takes a shot. It often leads to a time penalty (that's just the way it is) but the two points penalty offcourse is total bs. That penalty is only given because it's Max.
Maxcuses ! He does this shit all the time. His signature starting move, you let me through or we both die ! That's his thing. After repetitions of that shit, he should get black flagged. He attempted murder on Hamilton in Monza, without the Hale he would have been killed. He is dangerous. His only safe racing position is with no one around him. And even then, he succeeds to not respect the rule if someone is catching back of a lap behind, he considers that they should not overtake him. And then he cries, complains despite being in the wrong, being dangerous. Max fans logic: - there was no contact so no penalty - there was contact, but he was first at the apex, but only because he overshot the turn, the other driver has to let the position for whatever reason - he misses the corner, "ho it was an inciden". He is always the crybaby victim, all the Brits hate me, cry cry cry.
The penalty was deserved. The penalty points absolutely not. At this point, Red Bull needs to plan for 1 race ban of Max, maybe save the engines, only run 1 car in that race, and stuff.
@@aaronb4936 It depends on the incident and the severity. 12 total points in the last 12 months is an automatic race ban. They carry forward across seasons and are reset every 12 months. Max will have some of his reset in July. First half is critical for him to avoid a race ban.
I am a bit perplexed by you citing today as an example of Max being hard on front tires. Yes we heard his message, but what were the others saying? Anyhow, my main concern is wasn't he the last of the mediums to pit?
Oscar was definitely not calm and collected, if he was he wouldn't have blindly driven into the back of Colapinto. He was rattled for sure. And there were other rattled moments too such as behind Tsunoda. I would even reverse it, Verstappen was clumsy, Piastri was frustrated/rattled having fallen to the back of the field. Also collisions are 10s by default on driver's request.
Just let Piastri have his "strength", because that's all that the Piastri aficionados have. According to many analysts and their mother Piastri was the best things since sliced bread when he joined F1, for some reason, maybe because everything new and fresh can provide some hype and extra eyeballs towards F1. Up until now he's hasn't been faster than Norris over one race or a quali lap that mattered. What exactly indicates his WDC potential vs Norris other than his age, who knows!?
@@wreagfe I mean he is only in his second year in F1 and is already picking up race wins, pulling off some great overtakes, and beating Norris on occasion, but yeah he clearly has no potential.
@@divinasi0n well he was given a 5 place grid drop in his next race and 3 penalty points for that one -- which both are horrible for a driver no longer on the grid /s -- so the stewards agree it was worse in a sense.
Thanks for the analysis. I don't agree on everything. Max told journalists that he knew what he was doing forcing Lando off the track and he took the punishment. Did not complain about that. Fair? No. As for the frustration part, Max was frustrated with his own team halfway the season as RBR did not believe the car was that bad. In the last race, he was indeed (as you say) clearly frustrated because of the car. Max apologised to Oscar afterwards. Max remarked that he is glad the RB20 will go into the museum now.
Maxpologist? Did not complain? Did not complain? He is always crying about other drivers when he is in the wrong, always making crybaby comments when he is in the wrong and take a penalty... And he can cry about the car as much as he wants. Do you know who makes decisions on where to go with the car? Driver n°1. Max is one of the causes why the car started to suck. That's part of the job of the driver to steer the development. He did not do that job properly. That's also the reason why you need a great n° 2 driver. Go check Albon's interview about the RB car development. His opinion is that Verstappen wants his car with the equivalent of the maximum sensitivity with your mouse / controller. The car becomes hard to drive. Max pushed in that direction. One example is a very very stiff suspension. They have to adapt all the car around that. He seems to not be the best at supporting the car's development. And that's fine, no one is perfect in all fields. But acting like it's the team's fault and he is the victim? When they gave him an amazing car for years?
I disagree with the tyre statements. I agree there is perhaps some bits he can do to conserve front tyres. However when you look at his car in general this year, it has eaten through tyres like the Ferrari last year. That’s perhaps one of the reasons why it has been such a good qualifying car this year, but struggled in race pace. The opposite to last year where it was so good on tyres that it couldn’t beat them up for qualifying
IDK I think I actually agree with both of you. While the Redbull has certainly been harder on tires this year, Max also has always said he likes a very pointy car, so it would make sense that he could be a bit hard on front tires if he gets a car that's a bit more understeery than he likes. With that said weaknesses are relative and it would probably be something that wouldn't even be a "weakness" if he wasn't such a great driver in every other respect.
@@robbybahnsen_15R Add impatience and the expectation to win every weekend, and you can get a driver who overextends the tyres rather than settle for lap times 0.2 - 0.3 slower.
4:47 it cost him 4 points at most at that occasion. The rest of the argument is valid, although I still think Lando would have overtaken. He takes a while to lock in, concentrate and overtake. Every start and restarts are poor because he starts so slowly. When Max overtook him, Lando conpletely lost focus because of the reckless driving from Max, and I believe it took him a while to get back to focus, costing him the victory.
Oscar nearly binned it passing a VCarb and my instant thought was, hah! He doesn’t understand aero wash! And if you look back at his various incidents I think this is borne out. He gets too close into the turn and loses front end grip as the other car’s air rakes across his front end.
I think the rules need to change because this British 'decency' turns the sport into a sport for Whimpey's. I know what Max did is apparently against the current 'baby' rules and Max acknowledges it, but there was a gap at the inside..just turn in Pia and collect the 'coins'. Pia didn't pay attention (as ever) and most other real professionals would have given him more room and wouldn't (like an amateur) turn in and possibly ruin his team's chances on the constructeur championship. The 2 penalty points should have been given to Pia for forcing a collision!
Um... Piastry did give him room and Max understeered into him. I agree the penalty Max got was unfair for a first corner incident, but you are delusional for thinking that was Piastry's fault.
@@Supsyfy Not drifting to the outside half of the corner would have been sufficient but he was carrying way too much speed for the tighter inside line. Not for the first time this season Max has collided with another driver or forced him right off the track. It's not acceptable for such a brilliant driver.
Leniency doesn't mean drivers can just go postal and throw their car into a space, relying on everyone diving out of the way to let you through. It's particularly poor form, as it was not his place to play the Michael Masi role and determine the championship through an error.
Leniency when there is no mistake from the driver. There he goes in a gap that doesn't exist, he is BEHIND, and he goes wide (per usual). His typical signature move, "you move or we die". Hope that one day, a team will protect its driver 1, with the driver 2 playing that game on every first lap. Now he will be father, like Alonso said, he went for ballsy moves against fathers knowing they would play it safe. Let's have someone bully Max in first lap...
I saw max taking a wider line through 9, especially from apex to exit. I think he was really leaning on the aerodynamic platform of the car, because the mechanical platform of the car wasnt there. I only watched a few laps of his driving though, so I may not be on the right track. Thanks for the analysis as always, Martin!
Hola Martin, thanks for your analysis, it's going to feel an eternity till the begin of the next season. As a Senna fan I would love to see your analysis on Suzuka incident between Ayrton and Alain Prost. I hope your channel keeps growing in 2025!
I am a newby - DTS joiner. And a Max fan. I really enjoy your input for learning. I agree that Max made a mistake on 1st corner. But I thought that every other incident I had seen before first corner was ascribed to racing incident. But Max got 10s. I don't understand. Either FIA is holding Max to higher standard, or I don't understand something here, or FIA is just calling more penalties lately. Why was this a slam dunk 10s? Why not others in the past? I don't think Max intended to take Oscar out, he just made a mistake in thinking he would have more grip. Oscar said that Max apologized to him so he knew it was an error.
Hey welcome! I think that 1) Stewarding has been inconsistent this year so don't hold your breath there, but 2) It was more of a clear-cut lap 1 accident than a 50/50 one, which they would let off more often on Lap 1's
After I saw this incident, I was anticipating this video about Max's weakness. 😄 To me it kinda looked like: "F the FIA, F George, F everyone. It's the last race, I'm already champion, I'm going for it. I'll show you aggressive." And the rational part of his brain tasked with sensible decision making perhaps just switched off and in that moment he regressed to 'sim-racer in an unranked race'. It's the kind of dumb decision I would have made - probably have made - just not in a real life race lol. In the spirit of fairness, I don't think the incident was 100% on Max; Oscar could have seen him coming and if there was a few centimetres more space, perhaps he would be getting lauded as a hero right now, rather than the villain.
Haha you knew it! I think Oscar's best bet would be to not pull across to the right hand side / racing line. Like, just stay mid-track and he'd be better off. Still, no excuse but good shout!
@amanda123889 Yeah maybe.. I just watched that one back, Max was ahead at the apex. Just like with this incident, it was from further back than normal, but once again, if the other driver involved had been a bit more aware, the outcome would likely have been very different - however Lewis just kept the steering angle on until they collided. All late moves up the inside require two to play ball, otherwise it's always going to end in a collision, no matter who is driving.
Pls explain how an over ambitious move from Max vs Oscar in Abu Dhabi is the same as a frustrated move vs Lando in Mex? Chuck the Car ??? That's it? Max definitly gets frustrated when he senses unjustice. A Dutch thing in general. By no means is Max perfect but to explain it with chucking the car..... And in fareness, I am Dutch, watch F1 since 1981 and a McLaren fan 😊 Mika forever❤
@@kcameo1 ok so you gotta look at the context, right. In Mexico he was frustrated about all the talk about him driving dirty, running people off the road, the first to the apex rule, etc. So then he chucked the car at Lando Here in AD, same level of frustration from different factors. 1, the george russell thing, and 2, the fact the car wasn't great all weekend.
@@lowerlaptime But still, the assumption is then that Max was frustrated in Abu Dhabi. I sincerly doubt that at all. Mexico maybe, because of some DC chapionship pressure at that moment but Abu Dhabi? Max prooft time and again he isn't vurnable or being influenced by opinions of others, much to the frustration of a lot of fans early in his carreer -when he was named crashstappen and would not change his style - so why would a media frency about a so called heating battle between Russel and Verstappen all of a sudden have such an impact mentally now? First corner incident in my two cents. Like many before and after this will happen. Oppertunistic and misjudged maybe, but nothing to do with frustration. Look at rhe manner in which he handled the whole swaering in the presco punishment and I see a calm and collected behaviour in response to what he surrely must have felt like an unjust situation. I think you are right that one of Max vurnabilities is him getting rilled up if he feels mistreated by stewards but I do not see the George debat affecting him.
Thank you Martin for your great work ! Since the season is now finished , would it be possible for you if you feel like it to review some of the greatest moves in F1 by the greats like Senna , Schumacher , Gilles Villeneuve and others ? It could also be the biggest mistakes ever made or even casualties caused by those mistakes. That would be very interesting and we'd all keep watching you and learn !
Thanks for the great content, Martin. Purple sectors all the way, as usual. Highly appreciated. I don't think Lando realizes how he and McL threw away this WDC. Ferrari aren't that far away from their pace. And if Red Bull do the right thing and get Carlos Sainz from Williams over the winter, he might rue not using this great car when he had the opportunity. His statement on the radio that next year is "his year" also naively seems to suggest that Oscar will just let him by and also assumes that the car will still be quick. Didn't he see what happened to Red Bull this season?
It was a 63 point deficit in the end, could've been a lot closer but I don't think it's fair to say they threw away the WDC, they threw away a decent shot at it. I agree that towards the end of the season there's definitely been convergence between the teams. I hope Carlos Sainz gets put in by red bull, he behaved very well as a second driver to Leclerc at Ferrari all things considered, yes there were incidents but it's no where near Hamilton/Rosberg territory. And that was only because Carlos and Charles are pretty close on talent, Carlos to Max is certainly a bigger gap so he'll fall into his place. Carlos going to the absolute shamble of a team that is Williams will be a real shame.
I think you're nailing Max's weaknesses - and I'm a big Max fan. I don't think this was a mistake in his mind - he was looking at it as Piastri was on the outside - so fair game. His strength is admitting that he f*ked up afterwards, he has indicated that he learns from this - typically a move he only makes when he has less risk and reward than the car he's driving into. I think we need to take away stewards ability to influence races - If it's not worth a DQ - then it should be carried over to a position penalty the next race. For the last race of the year, something else should be implemented but I think that when the flag waves - it's over and without steward interference...
@@lowerlaptime Wow - you've identified where Max can improve? I don't see it as a side - really. It's about understanding perspectives at the moment when decisions are made. Most people that have the same objectives make the same decisions when presented with the same data. Sure - Max isn't most people but we know a lot about his motivation. He wants to dominate on the track and will basically make decisions that are borderline penalties - just shy of borderline in his mind, to make sure that everyone gives him the space to win every time he puts that question to them. That's his long game - and as you point out, you could easily see this as a predictable weakness. Russell scored a place out of him - but to no effect which to me is ineffective - rather save up that ammo for when you can gain something out of it. As you rightfully point out, Piastri was defending a championship and really needed to keep that car on track. Max I think regretted in in hindsight - but in the moment, you've got to expect him to go for every gap - and mentally, he doesn't care what anyone outside his inner circle thinks - that's how he resets between races and it works for his weakness. He's 100% right in calling the stewards idiots though. Sure, they have a tough job - but they need some kind of hippocratic oath - Do not screw with race results (variation of do no harm). And then you have to come back to the racing rules drifting here and there depending on who is being penalized. OK - maybe it's a slight exaggeration but at some point how the rules aren't applied equally between races and drivers becomes at least a discussion. Could we have a points only penalty system? Maybe with DQ as the only in-race option? Give them only until the podium to DQ otherwise it's points on your license. Here's the kicker - you've identified a few lines where he's punishing his front tyres. Do you think he's aware of this and is doing preparation in the sim?
Max's lunge was a little like Lewis colliding with Max at Silverstone in 2021 - carrying too much speed to hold the inside line. It was actually a bit more extreme than Lewis's overtake. The respect Max has for Oscar was evident after the race.
just to be clear i want the best Driver to win the WDC and the Best did , who will be best next year ? Well find out! I doubt Max will loose his racing skill but lets find out together, shall we ?
Serious question. How far alongside do you have to be to another car for them to have to leave a cars width? Do you have to be totally ahead or just alongside? Max certainly went wider at the exit of the turn, but he was not given a cars width at the beginning and had to go over the curbs Likely compromising his exit. I don’t have anything against Oscar either just seemed like a racing incident to me. Especially considering turn 1 lap 1 I’ve been watching for awhile now and still don’t totally understand all the calls. I know if you are ahead you can basically run the other car out of track on exit which I don’t exactly agree with. I don’t understand why other forms of racing don’t have this continual problem that f1 has.
@@dylanburston7453thank you. Edit: I believe the attacking drivers front axle needs to be in line with the other cars mirror from what I have read today.
@@TheTennersthis is exactly the kind of unhelpful comment I was hoping to avoid. Man I’m just trying to understand the actual rules. Thank you for adding absolutely nothing to clear things up.
great video as always. 50% of the comments made my brain melt tho :D Are you thinking of doing a video for 2024 season review and 2025 season preview, what to expect from teams with their technical development, pecking order, drivers' mentalities etc.
It's VER the enforcer. This is his track. The Alpha sending a clear message. Out of the way. In a nothing to lose race, snatch the unexpected win or a podium. If you turn off that switch, you never know if it will come back. In the end, the attempt didn't cost him. He would have not held P4. However, the race outcome was far less certain for MCL and more interesting to fans. I'm sure any last VER dolls not burned after AUT by MCL fans met a worst fate, lol.
The race was more interesting than I thought it was gonna be. I’m so happy that McLaren 🧡 won the WCC and for Lando. Max did acknowledge that it was his mistake for Oscar incident, which I found surprising. Leclerc made a great come back, good for him. 2025 will surely be different from previous years. 🔥✨ Nice vidoe Martin
@KaylaW-24 I almost completely agree with you and I can also imagine Max apologizing. It's the end of the year and there's nothing left to win and he's having a baby. What more do you want. 2025 is going to be exciting.
Max went for it. He had a bit more speed and a gap. But it's the second time now. Think the first time was with Hulkenberg but don't know anymore. But if he didn't went for it and stay behind Oscar, Max still needs to defend the inside line. Otherwise he would have a Ferrari there, while being stuck behind Oscar. So, i can understand, he doesn't stay there and just hope you do not get boxed in. To bad he couldn't pull it off. Was close, they didn't touch that hard. But your going to be a pendulem. Max already know this by instinct, thus made a nice 360 without losing to mutch places. But he should have know better because it's his second time the same mistake. He could have just done a tracklimits on the inside with that flat apex. And then tell that he did not have the space. On lap 1 he could have come aaway with that one. And if not, after turn 5 you can give the position back. Now he losses a lot more. But would it have made a difference ? Oscar finnished behind him and the other cars where a little bit better to day.
Lando said in the post-race press conference he.has been working on his weaknesses, I believe we'll see a better version of himself next year, what do you think? Have you seen any improvement in the last 4 races?
He deserved the penalty but all of the pathetic comments about “champions move” is weak, sometimes a move doesn’t work out. People have very short and selective memories.
Regarding Max's penalties in Mexico...he has said himself in numerous interviews that he knew exactly what he was doing and that it was a calculated move.
And whether that's true or not, it's great mental strategy. Comparatively, Max has zero mental weaknesses, he's never going to be tested more than in 2021, and he passed with flying colors.
Well if you don't see his kamikaze move on Lando that almost put him in the wall and caused physical injury to his friend as unhinged, I don't know what to say
Reading the comments… people saying the Verstappen penalty is harsh? Then Hamilton’s Silverstone 2021 penalty against Verstappen is harsh, if we apply their strange logics.
@ I am using the same logic as those in the comments. First lap incident. Hamilton went up the inside, Verstappen went up the inside. Both lead drivers races were ruined. Just because one was at 200mph and the other at a lower speed, you think Verstappen should’ve be given a penalty? lol
@@TheTenners except Lewis race wasn’t ruined because he went on to win that after under steering into his championship opening. Non comparable situations
You're aware that people can see all your comments lined up and clearly see there's some bias and trolling involved here right? Reading the comments here, that is not the consensus at all, and even if it was, consensus is not an argument by itself, the quality of the actual reason and evidence applied counts. Then you link it with an unrelated incident 3.5 years ago to stir the pot. Very classy indeed.
I think if Max's championship is on the line he doesn't make that move, though he might if Oscar was his immediate rival, because we have seen that before too in Mexico with Lando and Lewis in Brazil etc, in the heat of the moment he doesn't want to give an inch to his immediate rival, what would be an interesting test for him and we might get it in 25 is if he has more than one immediate rival at the closing stages and if he would change his approach
I think you're wrong about Max's driving style. He opens up the corners a lot only in qualifying, in the race, he never does (if he did, he would clip the grass, or the astroturf, especially on fast-medium speed corners from time to time, like a Pérez or a Sainz for example, but it never happened). Mario Isola stated that the 3 best at preserving tire are Hamilton, Leclerc and Verstappen. I don't believe he is a hot head, or let's say, he is (he is entitled and is a vengeful spirit), but almost everything he does is calculated when he is fighting for a title. When he drives dirty, he does it when he think it can benefit him, in fact, when he has a clearly dominant car and he is in the pack, he almost always back off as he knows that it's all aboyt protecting his car in those situations (Australia 2023 is a good example of this). And in Mexico, the Ferrari lost pace big time on the hards, both Leclerc and Sainz were struggliung a lot at the end of their stint, the McLaren was insanely fast in the latter stages of the race, Verstappen clearly did what he did in order to ruin Lando's races, not caring bout his. I blame the FIA for not penalizing him properly in 2016 when he had all those incidents, particularly with Raikkonen, it made him think he is above the law, i equally blame Senna for starting this trend of dangerous driving standards. I wanna precise that i'm not a Max fan, he is one of the dirtiest drivers ever.
Oscar didn't check his mirrors, that's a key detail. Whatever Max is thinking about doesn't matter if Oscar doesn't know he's there and just cuts across.
On another day the car leaps out of the way and he's made up a position. His "weakness" is his strength. This seems to manifest more when he gets fired up.
It was not a mistake, it was a gamble. He knew that Piastri could not affort to lose his car. If the gamble paid of it would-be have been a great move. Piastri did not coöperate -to his damage.
I am still puzzled in Qualy Lewis drives like he usually does, he does same in races but has little issues and is devastatingly fast. Whats he doing differently in the races? he still has that attacking style braking late, early apex etc. Is it just that he doesn't go "all-in" like in Qualy? RE: A video i love a analysis of Charles and Lewis as Charles seems to favour early apex too/shorter corner like lewis
Max is a bit calmer than his dad, but still easily triggered. The next Verstappen generation won't have this weakness anymore. We'll just have to wait 18 years. The error reminded me of the 'crashstappen' of his early f1 career. He actually thought we would get 20 or 30 seconds for this error.
really something of this year though that max has struggled with the tires... is it a weakness of max or the car? checo is good on tires and he isnt doing better than max I dont think. max is pretty much known as one of the best tire managers on the grid... with the long stint repertoire to prove it + I remember Isola saying max is one of the best on tires too.
Max was frustrated DURING the race and Oscar was as well, since his comment 'move of a world champion' sounded almost sarcastic too. Both emotions understandable given the stress. However Max apologised to Oscar very quickly after race and Oscar was gracious in accepting and also agreeing that it's just the way it is sometimes. What is FOUL is the media harping on and on about the words uttered in the heat of the moment; as if the average person doesn't sometimes bring work frustration and emotions home to their families. Its human, and that's why we like Max for his authenticity.
I think because the car has a part to play in it too, he just gives 100% of the tyre wear to the car. Where-as its probably more like 50/50. Yes the car doesnt turn in, sometimes, but also Max doesnt help himself with the lines he takes. I think it's arrogance on Max's part to not apportion 40-50% of the tyre wear to him.
he just lunged from too far back in a pretty shallow braking zone. Ideally you'd be further alongside and the braking zone longer, ie into a hairpin. EDIT: im talking in general terms of course, but, thats why.
I don't really agree with the technical weakness. I feel it's just as much a function of the car being sub par as it has to do with Max's driving and skills. In other years he drove the car differently and the car responded. Now he is fighting the car much more because it's a bit of a dud. He has to squeeze out laptimes that the car isn't actually fast enough/good enough for. So he must push his car more than the others push theirs. Don't forget.. Max makes the rb20 look like a decent car but the nr 2 driver in 2023, the nr 3 in 2022 and the nr4 from 2021 is nowhere with the rb20. The car is really worse than Max's results show. So yeah in THIS CAR he shows a weakness in technical corners but he wasn't slower than the others in 21,22,23 in those same corners. So no Max isn't perfect but his car is the main reason not his talent, skill or mindset.
I think Martin is correct about Max's technical weakness. But he makes spurious connections on the mental side. He thinks today is Max being frustrated and just sending it, well, if it was Lando it would have worked, because Lando would have seen Max in the mirrors and given more space. We saw this in Hungary, where Oscar put his car on the inside where he really shouldn't have (champions move, eh?) and Lando had to avoid him in split second, and Max on the outside - the same. At Monza as well, Lando yielded and gave Oscar more space. I think if anything today Max learned something about Oscar, that he might not be checking his mirrors, so he's dangerous to overtake with a dive to the inside.
Interesting point that you don't agree, but then say " it's just as much a function of the car being sub par as it has to do with Max's driving" - I agree. It's prob 50/50 but Max doesnt take responsibility for his 50.. he gives it all to the car.
@lowerlaptime I would love for you to compare 2022/2023 and 2024 laps from Max to analyse what he is doing differently this year (braking point, entry/middle and exit speeds) maybe it is possible to show what he is doing to cope (sometime well, sometimes less successful) with the shortcomings of the car. I guess he feels the only way to get that car into contention is to "overdrive" it. So even though he might agree he made a mistake it's an outcome of the car not being really competitive.
@@lowerlaptime take responsibility for what? Last year he had the best tyre wear and no one said it's 50/50 , is Max really held to different standards?
@@lowerlaptime welcome to sports bro. keep speaking ur truth though. been watching for some time now and enjoying it for the most part. think the sportspsychology stuff is slippery territory though.
Verstappen: goes for an overtake in first corner and causes accident. Piastri simply drives into a back of a car before even reaching breaking point. One gets videos made about what was he thinking?!?! The other continues to almost drive into another car in the middle of a race. What a joke these content creators have become these days...
Weathered old former racers and long time spectators like me could say what a joke "the Drive to Survive generation" are. In my opinion "lowerlaptime" knows his stuff. His insights in this video are interesting and line up with my own on the mental approaches different racers bring - I've decided to subscribe. While it seems like a rookie error to rear end another car (we all give Stroll stick about it) I think there was a bit of left-right indecision on the part of Franco and Oscar, plus the loss of front wing pressure at play. It always is the following car's responsibility to avoid contact but it wasn't quite as bad as it looked. Factor in Oscar catching up to the slowest car at quite a rate only to discover Franco's braking point was extremely early - it happens!
Loved Piastri's comment after Max ran into him-"Yep move of a world champion that one" Max saying he was all the way up on the inside after he clashed with Oscar was hilarious. Can't wait for 2025 thanks for everything! 🏎🔥🔥🔥
Its very simple. If you hold ur line with max verstappen he will crash you. I dont kno how many times does it has to happen b4 people will stop being biased and call it for what it is. I hope more drivers do what oscar did today. And i hope the FIA keep slanging them harsh penalties.
@@RogerKeulen It's more about what Oscar *didn't* do - he didn't dive out of the way out of self preservation, as so many others do when they see the madman approaching.
@@divinasi0n Because DRS was insanely powerful and the 2022 cars gave off the least dirty air of these aero regs, making it much easier to follow. Look at the three main times they fought on track. (Bahrain, Jeddah, Austria). DRS was so strong the both of them almost came to a complete stop ion track in Jeddah trying to get it. Charles re-passed max 3 times at Bahrain iirc simply because DRS going into t4 was that strong. He was almost fully ahead before braking. And its not like their battles don't involve contact either, before 22, their main battles came in 2019, and both ended in contact and a driver off the road. First, Max pushing charles off in Austria and not giving the place back, then Charles doing the same at Silverstone but ending up backing off to let Max retain the place.
Verstappen saw an orange car & thought it was a driver he could bully. Oscar closing the door will be a lesson to Max going forward. Max will have to respect him going forward.
Max’s driving style has won him 4 WDC, Oscar’s has won him 2 races. I don’t think it’s max who needs to change as he’s established himself as an all time great with his driving
Max mentality judgement decisions are sometimes inappropiate with uncontrolling and excessively to much adrenaline and stepping over the line of having to much ambition with greediness and selfishness that consequently causes others to suffer inappropiate situations of damage and losses . He needs to controll his emotions and mentality of direction in his decisions because life decisions sometimes comes back to bite you on the ass .
Incidents like this in the first corner and the first lap happen almost every race. When there is a gap a competative driver takes a shot. It often leads to a time penalty (that's just the way it is) but the two points penalty offcourse is total bs. That penalty is only given because it's Max.
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Maxcuses ! He does this shit all the time. His signature starting move, you let me through or we both die ! That's his thing. After repetitions of that shit, he should get black flagged. He attempted murder on Hamilton in Monza, without the Hale he would have been killed.
He is dangerous. His only safe racing position is with no one around him. And even then, he succeeds to not respect the rule if someone is catching back of a lap behind, he considers that they should not overtake him.
And then he cries, complains despite being in the wrong, being dangerous.
Max fans logic:
- there was no contact so no penalty
- there was contact, but he was first at the apex, but only because he overshot the turn, the other driver has to let the position for whatever reason
- he misses the corner, "ho it was an inciden".
He is always the crybaby victim, all the Brits hate me, cry cry cry.
Agreed. The 10s penalty was primarily because of the outcome for Russel. But the 2 penalty points were to ensure Max loses next year's WDC.
GGrussel has a mental problem.
The penalty was deserved. The penalty points absolutely not. At this point, Red Bull needs to plan for 1 race ban of Max, maybe save the engines, only run 1 car in that race, and stuff.
Do they always get penalty points when an in race penalty happens? Or just dependent on the infraction?
@@aaronb4936 It depends on the incident and the severity. 12 total points in the last 12 months is an automatic race ban. They carry forward across seasons and are reset every 12 months. Max will have some of his reset in July. First half is critical for him to avoid a race ban.
The points are dubious as Piastri was apparently entitled to take the corner like no-one was there?? Since when?
After the race Max said he was a bit to late. And apologized to Oscar.
Max even joked that he could rack up the points so that he could go on paternity leave
I am a bit perplexed by you citing today as an example of Max being hard on front tires. Yes we heard his message, but what were the others saying? Anyhow, my main concern is wasn't he the last of the mediums to pit?
I would think at least some of the wear is car specific. And combining a front wearing car with a front wearing driver equals disaster.
Oscar was definitely not calm and collected, if he was he wouldn't have blindly driven into the back of Colapinto. He was rattled for sure. And there were other rattled moments too such as behind Tsunoda. I would even reverse it, Verstappen was clumsy, Piastri was frustrated/rattled having fallen to the back of the field.
Also collisions are 10s by default on driver's request.
Just let Piastri have his "strength", because that's all that the Piastri aficionados have. According to many analysts and their mother Piastri was the best things since sliced bread when he joined F1, for some reason, maybe because everything new and fresh can provide some hype and extra eyeballs towards F1. Up until now he's hasn't been faster than Norris over one race or a quali lap that mattered. What exactly indicates his WDC potential vs Norris other than his age, who knows!?
Dirty air.
@@wreagfe to be honest, I think there's better talents arriving in F1 next year than Piastri , I think Bortelleto might be the best of them all
@@wreagfepiastry has been faster then Norris ön some ocasions
@@wreagfe I mean he is only in his second year in F1 and is already picking up race wins, pulling off some great overtakes, and beating Norris on occasion, but yeah he clearly has no potential.
Definitely a champion's 360 maneuver
@@Amory98 farout every1 is in love with max 😄🤦
Move wasn't THAT bad, but did deserve the penalty. Max seems to agree because supposedly he apologized to Oscar.
At least both know what's up in 2025.
Yeah honestly valtteri T-boning Kmag was worse.
@@divinasi0n well he was given a 5 place grid drop in his next race and 3 penalty points for that one -- which both are horrible for a driver no longer on the grid /s -- so the stewards agree it was worse in a sense.
Thanks for the analysis. I don't agree on everything. Max told journalists that he knew what he was doing forcing Lando off the track and he took the punishment. Did not complain about that. Fair? No. As for the frustration part, Max was frustrated with his own team halfway the season as RBR did not believe the car was that bad. In the last race, he was indeed (as you say) clearly frustrated because of the car. Max apologised to Oscar afterwards. Max remarked that he is glad the RB20 will go into the museum now.
Maxpologist?
Did not complain? Did not complain? He is always crying about other drivers when he is in the wrong, always making crybaby comments when he is in the wrong and take a penalty... And he can cry about the car as much as he wants. Do you know who makes decisions on where to go with the car? Driver n°1. Max is one of the causes why the car started to suck. That's part of the job of the driver to steer the development. He did not do that job properly. That's also the reason why you need a great n° 2 driver.
Go check Albon's interview about the RB car development. His opinion is that Verstappen wants his car with the equivalent of the maximum sensitivity with your mouse / controller. The car becomes hard to drive. Max pushed in that direction. One example is a very very stiff suspension. They have to adapt all the car around that. He seems to not be the best at supporting the car's development. And that's fine, no one is perfect in all fields. But acting like it's the team's fault and he is the victim? When they gave him an amazing car for years?
I disagree with the tyre statements. I agree there is perhaps some bits he can do to conserve front tyres. However when you look at his car in general this year, it has eaten through tyres like the Ferrari last year. That’s perhaps one of the reasons why it has been such a good qualifying car this year, but struggled in race pace. The opposite to last year where it was so good on tyres that it couldn’t beat them up for qualifying
IDK I think I actually agree with both of you. While the Redbull has certainly been harder on tires this year, Max also has always said he likes a very pointy car, so it would make sense that he could be a bit hard on front tires if he gets a car that's a bit more understeery than he likes. With that said weaknesses are relative and it would probably be something that wouldn't even be a "weakness" if he wasn't such a great driver in every other respect.
@@robbybahnsen_15R Add impatience and the expectation to win every weekend, and you can get a driver who overextends the tyres rather than settle for lap times 0.2 - 0.3 slower.
4:47 it cost him 4 points at most at that occasion. The rest of the argument is valid, although I still think Lando would have overtaken. He takes a while to lock in, concentrate and overtake. Every start and restarts are poor because he starts so slowly. When Max overtook him, Lando conpletely lost focus because of the reckless driving from Max, and I believe it took him a while to get back to focus, costing him the victory.
Agreed. The math doesn't even check out. Max "lost" 4 points vs. optimal and Norris lost 7 points vs. optimal, which nets 3 points in favor of Max.
Oscar nearly binned it passing a VCarb and my instant thought was, hah! He doesn’t understand aero wash! And if you look back at his various incidents I think this is borne out. He gets too close into the turn and loses front end grip as the other car’s air rakes across his front end.
I think the rules need to change because this British 'decency' turns the sport into a sport for Whimpey's. I know what Max did is apparently against the current 'baby' rules and Max acknowledges it, but there was a gap at the inside..just turn in Pia and collect the 'coins'. Pia didn't pay attention (as ever) and most other real professionals would have given him more room and wouldn't (like an amateur) turn in and possibly ruin his team's chances on the constructeur championship. The 2 penalty points should have been given to Pia for forcing a collision!
Um... Piastry did give him room and Max understeered into him. I agree the penalty Max got was unfair for a first corner incident, but you are delusional for thinking that was Piastry's fault.
@@robbybahnsen_15R room? was Max supposed to drive all 4 wheels on the kerb throughout the full corner?
@@Supsyfy Not drifting to the outside half of the corner would have been sufficient but he was carrying way too much speed for the tighter inside line. Not for the first time this season Max has collided with another driver or forced him right off the track. It's not acceptable for such a brilliant driver.
@@murraymaunder8754 Max forced Piastri off the track? What race are you watching?
I wonder what happened to lap-1-leniency
Leniency doesn't mean drivers can just go postal and throw their car into a space, relying on everyone diving out of the way to let you through.
It's particularly poor form, as it was not his place to play the Michael Masi role and determine the championship through an error.
Goes out the window when you destroy the car in p2 race.
Brits don’t ask those questions
He spun him out 😂
Leniency when there is no mistake from the driver. There he goes in a gap that doesn't exist, he is BEHIND, and he goes wide (per usual).
His typical signature move, "you move or we die". Hope that one day, a team will protect its driver 1, with the driver 2 playing that game on every first lap.
Now he will be father, like Alonso said, he went for ballsy moves against fathers knowing they would play it safe. Let's have someone bully Max in first lap...
And btw, Max apologized after the race to Oscar and accepted it was his fault.
Remember the car suffers from understeer, so burning the from tires is a typical thing on those conditions. I didn’t see that issue last year.
Ohhhh got it. I didn't know that sorry
I saw max taking a wider line through 9, especially from apex to exit. I think he was really leaning on the aerodynamic platform of the car, because the mechanical platform of the car wasnt there. I only watched a few laps of his driving though, so I may not be on the right track. Thanks for the analysis as always, Martin!
Max goes for every gap he sees; that's in his DNA. It's like with the fable of The Scorpion and the Frog; "because I can..."
Hola Martin, thanks for your analysis, it's going to feel an eternity till the begin of the next season. As a Senna fan I would love to see your analysis on Suzuka incident between Ayrton and Alain Prost. I hope your channel keeps growing in 2025!
Lets talk about it in our members catch up this month - check the post section for time and date and ill answer you then!
I am a newby - DTS joiner. And a Max fan. I really enjoy your input for learning. I agree that Max made a mistake on 1st corner. But I thought that every other incident I had seen before first corner was ascribed to racing incident. But Max got 10s. I don't understand. Either FIA is holding Max to higher standard, or I don't understand something here, or FIA is just calling more penalties lately. Why was this a slam dunk 10s? Why not others in the past? I don't think Max intended to take Oscar out, he just made a mistake in thinking he would have more grip. Oscar said that Max apologized to him so he knew it was an error.
Hey welcome! I think that 1) Stewarding has been inconsistent this year so don't hold your breath there, but 2) It was more of a clear-cut lap 1 accident than a 50/50 one, which they would let off more often on Lap 1's
Martin, where would you place Max in terms of tyre deg ranked compared to Norris, Leclerc and Russell? At the bottom I suppose?
Good question. Depends fronts or rears tbh..
Lec is best on fronts
@@lowerlaptime Maybe an idea for a video? Something of a powerranking and strengths/weaknesses of the top drivers. Thanks for responding.
After I saw this incident, I was anticipating this video about Max's weakness. 😄 To me it kinda looked like: "F the FIA, F George, F everyone. It's the last race, I'm already champion, I'm going for it. I'll show you aggressive." And the rational part of his brain tasked with sensible decision making perhaps just switched off and in that moment he regressed to 'sim-racer in an unranked race'. It's the kind of dumb decision I would have made - probably have made - just not in a real life race lol.
In the spirit of fairness, I don't think the incident was 100% on Max; Oscar could have seen him coming and if there was a few centimetres more space, perhaps he would be getting lauded as a hero right now, rather than the villain.
Got to be a sim racer to understand
Haha you knew it!
I think Oscar's best bet would be to not pull across to the right hand side / racing line. Like, just stay mid-track and he'd be better off. Still, no excuse but good shout!
Bit like how Hamilton could’ve moved out the way of Mad Max in Hungary right 🤦♂️
@amanda123889 Yeah maybe.. I just watched that one back, Max was ahead at the apex. Just like with this incident, it was from further back than normal, but once again, if the other driver involved had been a bit more aware, the outcome would likely have been very different - however Lewis just kept the steering angle on until they collided. All late moves up the inside require two to play ball, otherwise it's always going to end in a collision, no matter who is driving.
@amanda123889 in Hungary, Lewis was behind Max and turned into the Red Bulls rear tyre , Lewis is lucky he didn't get a penalty
Pls explain how an over ambitious move from Max vs Oscar in Abu Dhabi is the same as a frustrated move vs Lando in Mex? Chuck the Car ??? That's it?
Max definitly gets frustrated when he senses unjustice. A Dutch thing in general.
By no means is Max perfect but to explain it with chucking the car.....
And in fareness, I am Dutch, watch F1 since 1981 and a McLaren fan 😊 Mika forever❤
Qatar? Max led lights to flag mate
@lowerlaptime my bad indeed. Abu D ofc
@@kcameo1 ok so you gotta look at the context, right. In Mexico he was frustrated about all the talk about him driving dirty, running people off the road, the first to the apex rule, etc. So then he chucked the car at Lando
Here in AD, same level of frustration from different factors. 1, the george russell thing, and 2, the fact the car wasn't great all weekend.
@@lowerlaptime But still, the assumption is then that Max was frustrated in Abu Dhabi. I sincerly doubt that at all. Mexico maybe, because of some DC chapionship pressure at that moment but Abu Dhabi?
Max prooft time and again he isn't vurnable or being influenced by opinions of others, much to the frustration of a lot of fans early in his carreer -when he was named crashstappen and would not change his style - so why would a media frency about a so called heating battle between Russel and Verstappen all of a sudden have such an impact mentally now?
First corner incident in my two cents. Like many before and after this will happen. Oppertunistic and misjudged maybe, but nothing to do with frustration. Look at rhe manner in which he handled the whole swaering in the presco punishment and I see a calm and collected behaviour in response to what he surrely must have felt like an unjust situation.
I think you are right that one of Max vurnabilities is him getting rilled up if he feels mistreated by stewards but I do not see the George debat affecting him.
Thank you Martin for your great work ! Since the season is now finished , would it be possible for you if
you feel like it to review some of the greatest moves in F1 by the greats like Senna , Schumacher , Gilles Villeneuve and others ?
It could also be the biggest mistakes ever made or even casualties caused by those mistakes. That would be very interesting and we'd all keep watching you and learn !
Thanks for the great content, Martin. Purple sectors all the way, as usual. Highly appreciated. I don't think Lando realizes how he and McL threw away this WDC. Ferrari aren't that far away from their pace. And if Red Bull do the right thing and get Carlos Sainz from Williams over the winter, he might rue not using this great car when he had the opportunity. His statement on the radio that next year is "his year" also naively seems to suggest that Oscar will just let him by and also assumes that the car will still be quick. Didn't he see what happened to Red Bull this season?
It was a 63 point deficit in the end, could've been a lot closer but I don't think it's fair to say they threw away the WDC, they threw away a decent shot at it. I agree that towards the end of the season there's definitely been convergence between the teams.
I hope Carlos Sainz gets put in by red bull, he behaved very well as a second driver to Leclerc at Ferrari all things considered, yes there were incidents but it's no where near Hamilton/Rosberg territory. And that was only because Carlos and Charles are pretty close on talent, Carlos to Max is certainly a bigger gap so he'll fall into his place. Carlos going to the absolute shamble of a team that is Williams will be a real shame.
I think you're nailing Max's weaknesses - and I'm a big Max fan. I don't think this was a mistake in his mind - he was looking at it as Piastri was on the outside - so fair game. His strength is admitting that he f*ked up afterwards, he has indicated that he learns from this - typically a move he only makes when he has less risk and reward than the car he's driving into.
I think we need to take away stewards ability to influence races - If it's not worth a DQ - then it should be carried over to a position penalty the next race. For the last race of the year, something else should be implemented but I think that when the flag waves - it's over and without steward interference...
we're in the minority here but glad to have you on my side :)
@@lowerlaptime Wow - you've identified where Max can improve?
I don't see it as a side - really. It's about understanding perspectives at the moment when decisions are made. Most people that have the same objectives make the same decisions when presented with the same data. Sure - Max isn't most people but we know a lot about his motivation.
He wants to dominate on the track and will basically make decisions that are borderline penalties - just shy of borderline in his mind, to make sure that everyone gives him the space to win every time he puts that question to them.
That's his long game - and as you point out, you could easily see this as a predictable weakness. Russell scored a place out of him - but to no effect which to me is ineffective - rather save up that ammo for when you can gain something out of it.
As you rightfully point out, Piastri was defending a championship and really needed to keep that car on track. Max I think regretted in in hindsight - but in the moment, you've got to expect him to go for every gap - and mentally, he doesn't care what anyone outside his inner circle thinks - that's how he resets between races and it works for his weakness.
He's 100% right in calling the stewards idiots though. Sure, they have a tough job - but they need some kind of hippocratic oath - Do not screw with race results (variation of do no harm).
And then you have to come back to the racing rules drifting here and there depending on who is being penalized. OK - maybe it's a slight exaggeration but at some point how the rules aren't applied equally between races and drivers becomes at least a discussion.
Could we have a points only penalty system? Maybe with DQ as the only in-race option? Give them only until the podium to DQ otherwise it's points on your license.
Here's the kicker - you've identified a few lines where he's punishing his front tyres. Do you think he's aware of this and is doing preparation in the sim?
Max's lunge was a little like Lewis colliding with Max at Silverstone in 2021 - carrying too much speed to hold the inside line. It was actually a bit more extreme than Lewis's overtake. The respect Max has for Oscar was evident after the race.
just to be clear i want the best Driver to win the WDC and the Best did , who will be best next year ? Well find out! I doubt Max will loose his racing skill but lets find out together, shall we ?
Serious question. How far alongside do you have to be to another car for them to have to leave a cars width? Do you have to be totally ahead or just alongside? Max certainly went wider at the exit of the turn, but he was not given a cars width at the beginning and had to go over the curbs Likely compromising his exit. I don’t have anything against Oscar either just seemed like a racing incident to me. Especially considering turn 1 lap 1
I’ve been watching for awhile now and still don’t totally understand all the calls. I know if you are ahead you can basically run the other car out of track on exit which I don’t exactly agree with. I don’t understand why other forms of racing don’t have this continual problem that f1 has.
Pretty sure its your front wing alongside their front axle
@@dylanburston7453thank you. Edit: I believe the attacking drivers front axle needs to be in line with the other cars mirror from what I have read today.
@dylan did it used to be front wing alongside front axle? Was it changed or..?
Verstappen can’t do wrong in your eyes, huh. Simply a racing incident? lol just lol
@@TheTennersthis is exactly the kind of unhelpful comment I was hoping to avoid. Man I’m just trying to understand the actual rules. Thank you for adding absolutely nothing to clear things up.
great video as always. 50% of the comments made my brain melt tho :D
Are you thinking of doing a video for 2024 season review and 2025 season preview, what to expect from teams with their technical development, pecking order, drivers' mentalities etc.
@@some2nw lol same! Not sure yet!!!
@@lowerlaptime no worries, your content is always appreciated.
It's VER the enforcer. This is his track. The Alpha sending a clear message. Out of the way. In a nothing to lose race, snatch the unexpected win or a podium. If you turn off that switch, you never know if it will come back. In the end, the attempt didn't cost him. He would have not held P4. However, the race outcome was far less certain for MCL and more interesting to fans. I'm sure any last VER dolls not burned after AUT by MCL fans met a worst fate, lol.
The race was more interesting than I thought it was gonna be. I’m so happy that McLaren 🧡 won the WCC and for Lando. Max did acknowledge that it was his mistake for Oscar incident, which I found surprising. Leclerc made a great come back, good for him. 2025 will surely be different from previous years. 🔥✨ Nice vidoe Martin
@KaylaW-24 I almost completely agree with you and I can also imagine Max apologizing. It's the end of the year and there's nothing left to win and he's having a baby. What more do you want. 2025 is going to be exciting.
@computeronzin yes it’s gonna be exciting!!
The FIA is a travesty to be giving penalty points this way.
Max went for it. He had a bit more speed and a gap. But it's the second time now.
Think the first time was with Hulkenberg but don't know anymore.
But if he didn't went for it and stay behind Oscar, Max still needs to defend the inside line. Otherwise he would have a Ferrari there, while being stuck behind Oscar. So, i can understand, he doesn't stay there and just hope you do not get boxed in. To bad he couldn't pull it off. Was close, they didn't touch that hard. But your going to be a pendulem. Max already know this by instinct, thus made a nice 360 without losing to mutch places. But he should have know better because it's his second time the same mistake. He could have just done a tracklimits on the inside with that flat apex. And then tell that he did not have the space. On lap 1 he could have come aaway with that one. And if not, after turn 5 you can give the position back. Now he losses a lot more. But would it have made a difference ? Oscar finnished behind him and the other cars where a little bit better to day.
Lando said in the post-race press conference he.has been working on his weaknesses, I believe we'll see a better version of himself next year, what do you think? Have you seen any improvement in the last 4 races?
The proof will be when he is tested in more difficult situations ie rain, sc restarts etc
He deserved the penalty but all of the pathetic comments about “champions move” is weak, sometimes a move doesn’t work out. People have very short and selective memories.
If Oscar and Max were WDC rivals, you could argue it was a champions move 😅
I think it was a droll, ironic one from the Aussie, you missed the humour perhaps. Very clever for one so young.
Regarding Max's penalties in Mexico...he has said himself in numerous interviews that he knew exactly what he was doing and that it was a calculated move.
And whether that's true or not, it's great mental strategy.
Comparatively, Max has zero mental weaknesses, he's never going to be tested more than in 2021, and he passed with flying colors.
No, he said he was in full control the whole time. And that it wasn't dangerous.
Well if you don't see his kamikaze move on Lando that almost put him in the wall and caused physical injury to his friend as unhinged, I don't know what to say
@@divinasi0n You're acting a bit like George now, getting excited and all.
Reading the comments… people saying the Verstappen penalty is harsh? Then Hamilton’s Silverstone 2021 penalty against Verstappen is harsh, if we apply their strange logics.
A lap 1 t1 spin vs a full on shunt at 200mph. Not rly comparable are they, let’s not be silly here
@ I am using the same logic as those in the comments. First lap incident. Hamilton went up the inside, Verstappen went up the inside. Both lead drivers races were ruined. Just because one was at 200mph and the other at a lower speed, you think Verstappen should’ve be given a penalty? lol
@@TheTenners except Lewis race wasn’t ruined because he went on to win that after under steering into his championship opening. Non comparable situations
@@sammoore3687 I said “both lead drivers race were ruined”. Verstappen was the lead driver at Silverstone leading into the corner.
You're aware that people can see all your comments lined up and clearly see there's some bias and trolling involved here right?
Reading the comments here, that is not the consensus at all, and even if it was, consensus is not an argument by itself, the quality of the actual reason and evidence applied counts. Then you link it with an unrelated incident 3.5 years ago to stir the pot. Very classy indeed.
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I think if Max's championship is on the line he doesn't make that move, though he might if Oscar was his immediate rival, because we have seen that before too in Mexico with Lando and Lewis in Brazil etc, in the heat of the moment he doesn't want to give an inch to his immediate rival, what would be an interesting test for him and we might get it in 25 is if he has more than one immediate rival at the closing stages and if he would change his approach
I think you're wrong about Max's driving style.
He opens up the corners a lot only in qualifying, in the race, he never does (if he did, he would clip the grass, or the astroturf, especially on fast-medium speed corners from time to time, like a Pérez or a Sainz for example, but it never happened).
Mario Isola stated that the 3 best at preserving tire are Hamilton, Leclerc and Verstappen.
I don't believe he is a hot head, or let's say, he is (he is entitled and is a vengeful spirit), but almost everything he does is calculated when he is fighting for a title.
When he drives dirty, he does it when he think it can benefit him, in fact, when he has a clearly dominant car and he is in the pack, he almost always back off as he knows that it's all aboyt protecting his car in those situations (Australia 2023 is a good example of this).
And in Mexico, the Ferrari lost pace big time on the hards, both Leclerc and Sainz were struggliung a lot at the end of their stint, the McLaren was insanely fast in the latter stages of the race, Verstappen clearly did what he did in order to ruin Lando's races, not caring bout his.
I blame the FIA for not penalizing him properly in 2016 when he had all those incidents, particularly with Raikkonen, it made him think he is above the law, i equally blame Senna for starting this trend of dangerous driving standards.
I wanna precise that i'm not a Max fan, he is one of the dirtiest drivers ever.
Oscar didn't check his mirrors, that's a key detail. Whatever Max is thinking about doesn't matter if Oscar doesn't know he's there and just cuts across.
On another day the car leaps out of the way and he's made up a position. His "weakness" is his strength. This seems to manifest more when he gets fired up.
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It was not a mistake, it was a gamble. He knew that Piastri could not affort to lose his car. If the gamble paid of it would-be have been a great move. Piastri did not coöperate -to his damage.
define: gamble that doesn't pay off?
I am still puzzled in Qualy Lewis drives like he usually does, he does same in races but has little issues and is devastatingly fast. Whats he doing differently in the races? he still has that attacking style braking late, early apex etc. Is it just that he doesn't go "all-in" like in Qualy? RE: A video i love a analysis of Charles and Lewis as Charles seems to favour early apex too/shorter corner like lewis
Max is a bit calmer than his dad, but still easily triggered. The next Verstappen generation won't have this weakness anymore. We'll just have to wait 18 years. The error reminded me of the 'crashstappen' of his early f1 career. He actually thought we would get 20 or 30 seconds for this error.
really something of this year though that max has struggled with the tires... is it a weakness of max or the car? checo is good on tires and he isnt doing better than max I dont think. max is pretty much known as one of the best tire managers on the grid... with the long stint repertoire to prove it + I remember Isola saying max is one of the best on tires too.
Weakness of both Max and car.
Checo is only good on REAR tyres
@lowerlaptime maybe
Max was frustrated DURING the race and Oscar was as well, since his comment 'move of a world champion' sounded almost sarcastic too. Both emotions understandable given the stress. However Max apologised to Oscar very quickly after race and Oscar was gracious in accepting and also agreeing that it's just the way it is sometimes.
What is FOUL is the media harping on and on about the words uttered in the heat of the moment; as if the average person doesn't sometimes bring work frustration and emotions home to their families. Its human, and that's why we like Max for his authenticity.
Do you think Max is unaware of this technical weakness or is it a case of he knows but hard to correct that driving style for those corners?
I think because the car has a part to play in it too, he just gives 100% of the tyre wear to the car. Where-as its probably more like 50/50. Yes the car doesnt turn in, sometimes, but also Max doesnt help himself with the lines he takes. I think it's arrogance on Max's part to not apportion 40-50% of the tyre wear to him.
Pretty simple - Max deliberately took out Oscar. Max was in full control - didn't lock up.
@@philg2468 i wouldn't go that far
Serious question: Piastri had plenty of room on the outside. Why is the accident Max’s fault?
he just lunged from too far back in a pretty shallow braking zone. Ideally you'd be further alongside and the braking zone longer, ie into a hairpin. EDIT: im talking in general terms of course, but, thats why.
I don't really agree with the technical weakness. I feel it's just as much a function of the car being sub par as it has to do with Max's driving and skills. In other years he drove the car differently and the car responded. Now he is fighting the car much more because it's a bit of a dud. He has to squeeze out laptimes that the car isn't actually fast enough/good enough for. So he must push his car more than the others push theirs. Don't forget.. Max makes the rb20 look like a decent car but the nr 2 driver in 2023, the nr 3 in 2022 and the nr4 from 2021 is nowhere with the rb20. The car is really worse than Max's results show. So yeah in THIS CAR he shows a weakness in technical corners but he wasn't slower than the others in 21,22,23 in those same corners. So no Max isn't perfect but his car is the main reason not his talent, skill or mindset.
I think Martin is correct about Max's technical weakness. But he makes spurious connections on the mental side. He thinks today is Max being frustrated and just sending it, well, if it was Lando it would have worked, because Lando would have seen Max in the mirrors and given more space. We saw this in Hungary, where Oscar put his car on the inside where he really shouldn't have (champions move, eh?) and Lando had to avoid him in split second, and Max on the outside - the same. At Monza as well, Lando yielded and gave Oscar more space. I think if anything today Max learned something about Oscar, that he might not be checking his mirrors, so he's dangerous to overtake with a dive to the inside.
Interesting point that you don't agree, but then say " it's just as much a function of the car being sub par as it has to do with Max's driving" - I agree. It's prob 50/50 but Max doesnt take responsibility for his 50.. he gives it all to the car.
@lowerlaptime I would love for you to compare 2022/2023 and 2024 laps from Max to analyse what he is doing differently this year (braking point, entry/middle and exit speeds) maybe it is possible to show what he is doing to cope (sometime well, sometimes less successful) with the shortcomings of the car. I guess he feels the only way to get that car into contention is to "overdrive" it. So even though he might agree he made a mistake it's an outcome of the car not being really competitive.
@@lowerlaptime take responsibility for what? Last year he had the best tyre wear and no one said it's 50/50 , is Max really held to different standards?
Well dont just go back to last year. Why don't you go back to 1992 for me 🤦😄
not a max fan are ya
I am
A lot of emotional reactions here because people think he's perfect
@@lowerlaptime welcome to sports bro. keep speaking ur truth though. been watching for some time now and enjoying it for the most part. think the sportspsychology stuff is slippery territory though.
Anyone else does this and it's not a big deal. Max does it, the entire racing world is on it. Lol
Max did what a racer should do. Oscar didn't. He closed the door too late.
Your fuckin hilarious
@@glennstimets524 behave.
Verstappen: goes for an overtake in first corner and causes accident. Piastri simply drives into a back of a car before even reaching breaking point. One gets videos made about what was he thinking?!?! The other continues to almost drive into another car in the middle of a race. What a joke these content creators have become these days...
They make more money talking about Max than anyone else
Weathered old former racers and long time spectators like me could say what a joke "the Drive to Survive generation" are. In my opinion "lowerlaptime" knows his stuff. His insights in this video are interesting and line up with my own on the mental approaches different racers bring - I've decided to subscribe. While it seems like a rookie error to rear end another car (we all give Stroll stick about it) I think there was a bit of left-right indecision on the part of Franco and Oscar, plus the loss of front wing pressure at play. It always is the following car's responsibility to avoid contact but it wasn't quite as bad as it looked. Factor in Oscar catching up to the slowest car at quite a rate only to discover Franco's braking point was extremely early - it happens!
Bang on
if shi like tnis dod'tr happens, i don't find it enojyable to watch f1 ngl
This guy talking about the golden rule doesn’t know what that means 😂
You are 100% right about Max. Will be very interessting to see if max can work on his weaknesses like he did in the past.
Loved Piastri's comment after Max ran into him-"Yep move of a world champion that one"
Max saying he was all the way up on the inside after he clashed with Oscar was hilarious.
Can't wait for 2025 thanks for everything! 🏎🔥🔥🔥
Its very simple. If you hold ur line with max verstappen he will crash you. I dont kno how many times does it has to happen b4 people will stop being biased and call it for what it is. I hope more drivers do what oscar did today. And i hope the FIA keep slanging them harsh penalties.
What did Oscar do ?
@@RogerKeulen It's more about what Oscar *didn't* do - he didn't dive out of the way out of self preservation, as so many others do when they see the madman approaching.
So can you explain why Charles and Max had so many clean, hard, but fair battles in 2022?
@@timeacott oh trust me , there's been plenty cars who've done this to Max and he still copped the blame , so stop spinning your hate narrative
@@divinasi0n Because DRS was insanely powerful and the 2022 cars gave off the least dirty air of these aero regs, making it much easier to follow. Look at the three main times they fought on track. (Bahrain, Jeddah, Austria). DRS was so strong the both of them almost came to a complete stop ion track in Jeddah trying to get it. Charles re-passed max 3 times at Bahrain iirc simply because DRS going into t4 was that strong. He was almost fully ahead before braking.
And its not like their battles don't involve contact either, before 22, their main battles came in 2019, and both ended in contact and a driver off the road. First, Max pushing charles off in Austria and not giving the place back, then Charles doing the same at Silverstone but ending up backing off to let Max retain the place.
Verstappen saw an orange car & thought it was a driver he could bully. Oscar closing the door will be a lesson to Max going forward. Max will have to respect him going forward.
Max’s driving style has won him 4 WDC, Oscar’s has won him 2 races. I don’t think it’s max who needs to change as he’s established himself as an all time great with his driving
@@sammoore3687 another Verstappen fan who has reading comprehension difficulties.
Go away dummy.
@@sammoore3687 No need to respond this guy.
Oscar didn't check the mirrors, he literally had no idea Max was there - and he lost big for it.
Max mentality judgement decisions are sometimes inappropiate with uncontrolling and excessively to much adrenaline and stepping over the line of having to much ambition with greediness and selfishness that consequently causes others to suffer inappropiate situations of damage and losses . He needs to controll his emotions and mentality of direction in his decisions because life decisions sometimes comes back to bite you on the ass .