Lady Caswell was a idiot for trying to play both sides, she sent Maelor’s remains and the knight’s body to kings landing to claim reward for Maelor from blacks, and then tried to give dragon egg as leverage to Greens to avoid any wrath. I think that’s what pissed Daeron so much, that she claimed she was sorry and that she had nothing to do with it, while sending his remains to the blacks to claim the bounty that led to his death by being torn apart by the mob of her people and thought giving him the egg was better.
I know hindsight is 20:20 but traveling through the countryside with a Targaryen princeling without dyeing his hair and keeping a low profile is peak stupidity. If you want to know how it's done look no further that how that Night's Watchman Yorren transported Arya. He cut her hair and passed her off as a boy.
Then he should have cut the hair of the boy, like Duncan did with Egg. He should have hided the dragon egg better and keep a low profile, by spending no huge amounts of money. They should have pretended to be refugees, father and son coming from Kingslanding and looking for a safe place in the South. I respect the dedication of the Kings guard to protect Maelor, but he truly failed his mission and that's bitter.@@mansoorahmed1676
@@mansoorahmed1676they had time to find common clothes and shit. I'm pretty sure they had time to shave the boy's head and talk about lice. That aside, ye... I'm pretty sure that was their first stop and they counted on not being ungodly unlucky in the first chance things could go wrong.
You shall receive the same terms you gave my nephew Maelor. Love Daeron for this. Maelor was an innocent. RIP to Ser Rickard as well. He didn't deserve what happened to him
Common folk always get fucked up in situations like this,as Jorah asked Barristan did he fought in war where civilians weren't killed by thousands,but at least justice catch all fucking greens
Terrible what happen to this poor child . Suck that these wars the children get have some of the most brutal death.. Ser Rickhard serve his King well while he fail to protect the young prince he did fight off many foes until he was overwhelmed.
In war, we like to think that combat is fair and well-fought but sadly it's far more often a matter of opportunity. Mostly you pick the battles you think you can handle rather than risk the distinct possibility of death at the hands of a better-armed or more-experienced foe. A child, by comparison, is a pretty easy fight, even with a Knight of the Kingsguard protecting him. Much easier than an army armed and provisioned for a lengthy siege.
Blood & Cheese, Bitterbridge (both instances) and Tumbleton are all gonna be the “oh shit” episodes of the remaining HoD run. Season 1 gonna seem all dainty and quaint in comparison.
Well Blood and Cheese was more watered then the wine, and Maelor has been cut from the show completely. Two of the hugest WTF moments gone so Alicent can eat humble pie.
@@SpottedHares Yeah…I’m not sure anymore. Can’t say that I’m bothered about not seeing any version of a child being torn apart by a mob - just not my idea of entertainment. There should still be plenty of awful stuff to depict. Heck, so far this season I’ve been most bothered by how the dragons are shown being injured or killed (I skipped the beheading noises during Blood and Cheese because I’m a total wuss and I’m okay with that).
@@TrueYellowDart It doesn't need to be necessarily shown first-hand, but the brutal and cruel reality of a dynastic spat between two former friends devolving into a question of who has more blood relations alive by the end of it is pretty much integral to the message of HOTD. Imply it by all means if it makes it more palatable to an audience; gore isn't everyones thing, maybe even do a cutaway as Maelor is grabbed from Ser Thorne and make some references to it later on. Just, removing it entirely or "watering it down" to the point it isn't questionable anymore does a disservice to the overall story, makes the war seem far nobler and more righteous than it truly was. It's meant to make you doubt the wisdom of those who thought igniting this powder keg was worth it.
there’s no reason to introduce lord caswel if there gonna forget this story and what happens to both of haleanas kids is so trajic it really makes the story there’s no skipping bitter bridge
How was it good ? Maelor was murdered by few people and Daeron burned an entire village filled with innocent people for the crime of few people. Lady Caswell tried to save Maelor and Daeron showed her no mercy.
@@DarkKing009 Pretty much. And besides, after seeing his little nephew's remains, hearing what happened, I couldn't fault Daeron for wanting that dungheap of a settlement purged.
Thanks for the well worded summary of the battles, I never read the books, but this is critical to properly contrast HBO’s version of the story. Seems quite a deviation so far, guess it costs too much in 2024 funding to properly tell the book story. Thank you for the show.
This event is tragic and epic NEEDS TO BE ADAPTED 1x1 from the book , PRAYING THIS HAPPENS but im not sure because i dont think the show will develop a lot the kingsguard character to make us care for this particular knight and his sacrifice, but praying at least this event is adapted 99% from the book writings
Damn this is so heavy. The greens executed an entire town over something almost everyone had no hand in. Will be a harrowing event in the show for sure.
I'd agree but look at it this way. Only three people were punished; one of them was just a guy whos horse got stolen. The mob didn't get punished, the guards show shot Thorne down didnt get punished.
For sure. In the show Lord Castwell pretended to swear loyalty only to try and escape immediately after to the other side. In both the show and books the Greens execute him and Maelor's death was on their land as well. The Greens definitely hate them.
The whole Dance was extremely horrific and bloody with massacres the most common dish served to those of the other side. It is based largely on the English civil war, which was unfortunately very brutal in the real world as well.
Probably a relative but part of the Kingsguard oath is to remain chaste and father no children, so, he would probably be a distant great uncle or something.
House Thorne is a noble house from the Crownlands. Ser Allister was an Mad King loyalist in King's Landing when Tywin Lannister sacked the city and sent him to the wall. Ser Rickard was a knight of the kingsguard who fathered no children, so they are relatives yes, but not direct descendants.
@@wfmikeie Thanks for sharing that seriously big time fan I watched the shows numerous of times over and over and never knew this. I really should buy the books thanks bro.
I feel like this is going to be the red wedding level event for the show cuz i know so many people have been spoiled on Blood and Cheese because of how many people talk about it.
yeah i don't think blood and cheese is going to hit as hard as people think it will because it's become so widely known, i can 100% see something like Bitterbridge or Tumbleton taking that role
@@WorldOfWesteros I feel like another mob death that would really shock viewers if done well would be Mysaria. Like a way more violent version of Cersei's shame walk.
There truly was no winner in this dance. The Targaryen's really lost on all sides. I wouldnt be surprised if somehow this was the end goal to lessen their strength.
So Dearons character might be ruined like all the other greens. Not only is there rumors about him being coles bastard son but if mealor doesn’t exist then he would destroy this town for no real reason besides them being team black.
The point is he could not get to longtable, the only way to cross was the bridge held by those loyal to queen rhenyra. His plan was to wait for the Hightower army to advance and capture the town.
Ser Rickard was a true Knight.
Defended his Prince until he could no longer do so.
I wish the show didn't cut it...
I hope the don't shy away from this scene. We want to see this unfold on screen.
Looks like Maelor is out and this isn't happening.
They will or they will somehow make it the greens fault the same way they did blood and cheese
Hope they do this proper in hotd
They will
they will. but this event will take a while to hapen in the show
I don't think they will. It's too graphic and violent.
@@nocgenius5255 they did the same with GOT, for several seasons at least.
@@nocgenius5255Corlys 😅
Lady Caswell was a idiot for trying to play both sides, she sent Maelor’s remains and the knight’s body to kings landing to claim reward for Maelor from blacks, and then tried to give dragon egg as leverage to Greens to avoid any wrath.
I think that’s what pissed Daeron so much, that she claimed she was sorry and that she had nothing to do with it, while sending his remains to the blacks to claim the bounty that led to his death by being torn apart by the mob of her people and thought giving him the egg was better.
I know hindsight is 20:20 but traveling through the countryside with a Targaryen princeling without dyeing his hair and keeping a low profile is peak stupidity.
If you want to know how it's done look no further that how that Night's Watchman Yorren transported Arya. He cut her hair and passed her off as a boy.
I think it’s cuz there wasn’t enough time to dye his hair as they had to escape right when she took over
Don’t flash your cash either.
Then he should have cut the hair of the boy, like Duncan did with Egg. He should have hided the dragon egg better and keep a low profile, by spending no huge amounts of money. They should have pretended to be refugees, father and son coming from Kingslanding and looking for a safe place in the South. I respect the dedication of the Kings guard to protect Maelor, but he truly failed his mission and that's bitter.@@mansoorahmed1676
@@mansoorahmed1676they had time to find common clothes and shit. I'm pretty sure they had time to shave the boy's head and talk about lice.
That aside, ye... I'm pretty sure that was their first stop and they counted on not being ungodly unlucky in the first chance things could go wrong.
I always found this to be more sad than Blood and Cheese
You shall receive the same terms you gave my nephew Maelor.
Love Daeron for this. Maelor was an innocent.
RIP to Ser Rickard as well. He didn't deserve what happened to him
" maelor was innocent" so where many people in the village not everyone was responsible yet daeron had them killed anyway he's not the good guy here .
@@thatoneblackdude3333didn't say what he did was good. Only said I love him for it, anyway. Obviously Daeron was in the wrong, but I get it
Common folk always get fucked up in situations like this,as Jorah asked Barristan did he fought in war where civilians weren't killed by thousands,but at least justice catch all fucking greens
@@InfamousB9 Blacks suck ass, Greens are where it's at
@@InfamousB9
Lmao, the common folk literally tore a child apart. I have no sympathy for those involved
Terrible what happen to this poor child . Suck that these wars the children get have some of the most brutal death.. Ser Rickhard serve his King well while he fail to protect the young prince he did fight off many foes until he was overwhelmed.
The blacks will find a way to justify this and claim Prince Maelor was a demon boy who wanted to harm Rhaenyra so she had to protect herself.
In war, we like to think that combat is fair and well-fought but sadly it's far more often a matter of opportunity.
Mostly you pick the battles you think you can handle rather than risk the distinct possibility of death at the hands of a better-armed or more-experienced foe. A child, by comparison, is a pretty easy fight, even with a Knight of the Kingsguard protecting him. Much easier than an army armed and provisioned for a lengthy siege.
Blood & Cheese, Bitterbridge (both instances) and Tumbleton are all gonna be the “oh shit” episodes of the remaining HoD run. Season 1 gonna seem all dainty and quaint in comparison.
And Rooks Rest
Lol
Well Blood and Cheese was more watered then the wine, and Maelor has been cut from the show completely. Two of the hugest WTF moments gone so Alicent can eat humble pie.
@@SpottedHares Yeah…I’m not sure anymore. Can’t say that I’m bothered about not seeing any version of a child being torn apart by a mob - just not my idea of entertainment. There should still be plenty of awful stuff to depict. Heck, so far this season I’ve been most bothered by how the dragons are shown being injured or killed (I skipped the beheading noises during Blood and Cheese because I’m a total wuss and I’m okay with that).
@@TrueYellowDart It doesn't need to be necessarily shown first-hand, but the brutal and cruel reality of a dynastic spat between two former friends devolving into a question of who has more blood relations alive by the end of it is pretty much integral to the message of HOTD.
Imply it by all means if it makes it more palatable to an audience; gore isn't everyones thing, maybe even do a cutaway as Maelor is grabbed from Ser Thorne and make some references to it later on. Just, removing it entirely or "watering it down" to the point it isn't questionable anymore does a disservice to the overall story, makes the war seem far nobler and more righteous than it truly was. It's meant to make you doubt the wisdom of those who thought igniting this powder keg was worth it.
This is going to be so heart breaking in the show
A tragedy indeed. the town paid the price with fire and blood💚🔥
Great story, well read
davidreadsasoiaf for every book. yw
where is the map you use from/a link to it please?
there’s no reason to introduce lord caswel if there gonna forget this story and what happens to both of haleanas kids is so trajic it really makes the story there’s no skipping bitter bridge
"You shall receive the same terms you gave my nephew Maelor."
Daeron the Daring burned that village after...good
How was it good ? Maelor was murdered by few people and Daeron burned an entire village filled with innocent people for the crime of few people.
Lady Caswell tried to save Maelor and Daeron showed her no mercy.
@@vanshikasharma6651 Normally I would agree with you. But it sounded like the whole village participated in the double murder.
@@vanshikasharma6651 A whole mob ripped him apart and that bitch just executed 3 people. Daeron did nothing wrong
@@DarkKing009 Pretty much. And besides, after seeing his little nephew's remains, hearing what happened, I couldn't fault Daeron for wanting that dungheap of a settlement purged.
Thank you for the great content.
Thanks for the well worded summary of the battles, I never read the books, but this is critical to properly contrast HBO’s version of the story. Seems quite a deviation so far, guess it costs too much in 2024 funding to properly tell the book story. Thank you for the show.
So, they're going to cut that out of the series, right? There's no Maelor in the series.
This event is tragic and epic NEEDS TO BE ADAPTED 1x1 from the book , PRAYING THIS HAPPENS but im not sure because i dont think the show will develop a lot the kingsguard character to make us care for this particular knight and his sacrifice, but praying at least this event is adapted 99% from the book writings
No Maelor so far
Ser Rickard Thorne the GOAT
Damn this is so heavy. The greens executed an entire town over something almost everyone had no hand in. Will be a harrowing event in the show for sure.
I'd agree but look at it this way. Only three people were punished; one of them was just a guy whos horse got stolen. The mob didn't get punished, the guards show shot Thorne down didnt get punished.
For sure. In the show Lord Castwell pretended to swear loyalty only to try and escape immediately after to the other side. In both the show and books the Greens execute him and Maelor's death was on their land as well. The Greens definitely hate them.
The whole Dance was extremely horrific and bloody with massacres the most common dish served to those of the other side. It is based largely on the English civil war, which was unfortunately very brutal in the real world as well.
Ser Rickard Thorne was the best Kingsguard
Bitterbridge is quite aptly named
First to comment & to take the black…
Lady Caswell tragic ending she has
Is ser Allister Thorne a descendent from this Thorne?
Probably a relative but part of the Kingsguard oath is to remain chaste and father no children, so, he would probably be a distant great uncle or something.
House Thorne is a noble house from the Crownlands. Ser Allister was an Mad King loyalist in King's Landing when Tywin Lannister sacked the city and sent him to the wall. Ser Rickard was a knight of the kingsguard who fathered no children, so they are relatives yes, but not direct descendants.
@@wfmikeie Thanks for sharing that seriously big time fan I watched the shows numerous of times over and over and never knew this. I really should buy the books thanks bro.
How far from this event are we in the current TV series timeline?
It won't happen, since Maelor doesn't exist in the show...
"Just send your heir with one knight and no escort through a war torn country bro, he'll be fine!" words of Larys probably
I feel like this is going to be the red wedding level event for the show cuz i know so many people have been spoiled on Blood and Cheese because of how many people talk about it.
yeah i don't think blood and cheese is going to hit as hard as people think it will because it's become so widely known, i can 100% see something like Bitterbridge or Tumbleton taking that role
@@WorldOfWesteros I feel like another mob death that would really shock viewers if done well would be Mysaria. Like a way more violent version of Cersei's shame walk.
Luckily Wolf from North didn't forget none of this ⚔🐺
There truly was no winner in this dance. The Targaryen's really lost on all sides. I wouldnt be surprised if somehow this was the end goal to lessen their strength.
I'm assuming the worst that this will happen offscreen in the show or will never happen at all.
No one won this war lol. I think George made that point clear. War is bad.
Great video btw
True but one side went totally extinct at the end and the other gave rise to every king till joeffry.
@@drrohanjacob Hightowers still rule oldtown while the Targs are extint.
@@rohanshende4338Targaryen ruled several cities and Kingdoms in Essos through Daenarys so not really
@k-studio8112 Yes that is the side that one,otto and his line went the way of the dodo😂
Broooo they cut this
Is like for me the down point of Daeron and the war
Shock value ? Maybe but shows how smallfolk is not good or evil
I hope this whole scene is like 15-20 of the episode.
🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
This is one thing I wouldn't mind the show toning down. Seeing small children go through stuff like this really upsets me.
So Dearons character might be ruined like all the other greens. Not only is there rumors about him being coles bastard son but if mealor doesn’t exist then he would destroy this town for no real reason besides them being team black.
Dishonorable starks
daeron targaryen = lucas lynggaard tønnesen
Rickard Thorne was afool. Why he stops at bitterbridge place belongs to blacks. He must have go to Longtable only 30 leagues away.
The point is he could not get to longtable, the only way to cross was the bridge held by those loyal to queen rhenyra. His plan was to wait for the Hightower army to advance and capture the town.
He was like minutes to be save with Daeron army
Thats the point not just bad luck REALLY BAD LUCK or timing
I wanna see blood and cheese
Well we did 😂
It is a poor shephard that blames their flock. Should've known killing several dudes wasn't going to cut it.