It’s for 1) the established board where you want a single utility box to fill in specialty effects as needed, or 2) you want to explore a lot of options all in one box. The disconnect is with players who think the main point of multieffects is to stack multiple simultaneous models, versus those who want depth in a single box. This is one that you probably sell after six months or keep forever.
@@guitar_george I’m using the fantastic Tonex One as my amp modeler, which already stacks onboard compression, reverb, and noise gate. That reduces the number of effect slots I’d want to stack in an outboard unit, which is another argument in favor of the HX One. A sleeper issue that people should consider is the power draw of a multi-slot digital effects unit, which can exceed their power supply. The TC Plethora X3, for example, pulls 600mA at 9V. The HX One draws 400mA, which breaks right across the common 500mA capacity of many power supplies. A large multieffects bank can come with the hidden cost of a new power supply.
The reason IMO why it gets so much hate(I don't have a horse in this race) is that Live gigging musicians already know exactly what we want to use on stage. Our demands don't really change that much. So why pay $300 for something that I can only use as a Klon or a Tape Reverb when I can just buy a $79 klon clone or a $59 digital reverb. I personally have NEVER been on stage and thought: "Man, I wish I had a octave fuzz right now." Because I knew ahead of time for that show exactly what i'd need. So this product just feels like a bedroom product that has no real use for professional gigging musicians. Again, I couldn't care either way, I just use my QC and and expression pedal and thats it.
As a live sometimes gigging bass player, playing covers where I need different effects per song, I think this pedal is amazing for being able to turn on an effect for a particular song in the setlist. 257 effects that I can preset for any song I want. It's not a pedal that you would be on stage and THEN decide that you need an effect, but you would program the effects beforehand. I think a lot of musicians look at this pedal the way that they want 'every' a multi effects pedal to work! This pedal fits a niche, which the more elaborate pedals don't. To be able to have such a vast amount of sounds available in one pedal is amazing . I am NOT a pedal guy with a huge pedal board, so this is a perfect for me.
People hate it because perfect is the enemy of the good, and perfect on paper looks like more than one algorithm at a time. And amp sims and IRs. And a pony. Whatevs. If there wasn’t comparison up to the other HX and Helix stuff people would be lining up. I bit due to the $50 off sale that per one retailer ends today (maybe?), which eased any notion in my mind that the price was too high.
Yeah I wanna say it's because we're so used to being able to use many Helix effects at once. It feels very odd seeing the HX One as someone who has a Stomp just because of how limiting it seems.
my only probel with the hx one is that I need the pedal in front for drive fuzz etc. or at the end of the chain for modulation. A drive at the end of the chain sounds bad and vice versa ;)
I think I need to hear more and different sounds. Judging from the sounds and tones you displayed, I understand why you like the digital modelling sounds. To me, they sounded very small and almost gated. But if I wanted the sound of a cheap transistor amp, this is spot on. But that’s my opinion, and no one should care about that.
The reason I hate it (not really) is because since the release of Helix all we have gotten is more models with less features. Make a premium Helix that does more, not less.
So which one was the Archer??
You tell me 😏
It’s for 1) the established board where you want a single utility box to fill in specialty effects as needed, or 2) you want to explore a lot of options all in one box.
The disconnect is with players who think the main point of multieffects is to stack multiple simultaneous models, versus those who want depth in a single box.
This is one that you probably sell after six months or keep forever.
Well said. I cant see myself taking it off my board any time soon
@@guitar_george I’m using the fantastic Tonex One as my amp modeler, which already stacks onboard compression, reverb, and noise gate. That reduces the number of effect slots I’d want to stack in an outboard unit, which is another argument in favor of the HX One.
A sleeper issue that people should consider is the power draw of a multi-slot digital effects unit, which can exceed their power supply. The TC Plethora X3, for example, pulls 600mA at 9V. The HX One draws 400mA, which breaks right across the common 500mA capacity of many power supplies. A large multieffects bank can come with the hidden cost of a new power supply.
Agreed. It was the last puzzle piece for me too. It’s perfect.
The reason IMO why it gets so much hate(I don't have a horse in this race) is that Live gigging musicians already know exactly what we want to use on stage. Our demands don't really change that much. So why pay $300 for something that I can only use as a Klon or a Tape Reverb when I can just buy a $79 klon clone or a $59 digital reverb. I personally have NEVER been on stage and thought: "Man, I wish I had a octave fuzz right now." Because I knew ahead of time for that show exactly what i'd need. So this product just feels like a bedroom product that has no real use for professional gigging musicians. Again, I couldn't care either way, I just use my QC and and expression pedal and thats it.
The majority of players are bedroom players. Fiddling around with different things is extremely popular
As a live sometimes gigging bass player, playing covers where I need different effects per song, I think this pedal is amazing for being able to turn on an effect for a particular song in the setlist. 257 effects that I can preset for any song I want. It's not a pedal that you would be on stage and THEN decide that you need an effect, but you would program the effects beforehand.
I think a lot of musicians look at this pedal the way that they want 'every' a multi effects pedal to work! This pedal fits a niche, which the more elaborate pedals don't. To be able to have such a vast amount of sounds available in one pedal is amazing . I am NOT a pedal guy with a huge pedal board, so this is a perfect for me.
People hate it because perfect is the enemy of the good, and perfect on paper looks like more than one algorithm at a time. And amp sims and IRs. And a pony. Whatevs. If there wasn’t comparison up to the other HX and Helix stuff people would be lining up.
I bit due to the $50 off sale that per one retailer ends today (maybe?), which eased any notion in my mind that the price was too high.
Likewise, I bought it used. That made it an even better deal
seems cool and easy to use so IDK why it gets so much hate
Yeah I wanna say it's because we're so used to being able to use many Helix effects at once. It feels very odd seeing the HX One as someone who has a Stomp just because of how limiting it seems.
my only probel with the hx one is that I need the pedal in front for drive fuzz etc. or at the end of the chain for modulation. A drive at the end of the chain sounds bad and vice versa ;)
Have you tried the 4 cable method?
@@guitar_george no, but very good idea thx 😉
Yes , and you can set pre or post for every single effect/ preset.
No editor and having to scroll to get to all the controls. The M5 had 5 knobs to control all of the parameters at once.
They need to make an HX Half
😂🫡
I think I need to hear more and different sounds.
Judging from the sounds and tones you displayed, I understand why you like the digital modelling sounds.
To me, they sounded very small and almost gated. But if I wanted the sound of a cheap transistor amp, this is spot on.
But that’s my opinion, and no one should care about that.
The reason I hate it (not really) is because since the release of Helix all we have gotten is more models with less features. Make a premium Helix that does more, not less.
damn sexy af. the guitar is ok too
To me it sounds pretty bad to be honest. But different people have different opinons I suppose. 🙂
Tbh I just got one and the effects sound better than the ones one the stomp to me 🤷♂️