as a gg stan i can’t believe that other stans are doing this??? it’s actually depressing. no words and this is proof kpop stans have never cared when people are exploited and victimised
Literally I saw people on Twitter tweeting “oh you know the BTS members are on that list!” “The BTS downfall has started now thank you Taeil!” Like genuinely there were worse ones but that’s just two examples. It’s crazy how Kpop stans act with this type of stuff. I had a friend who was an NCT Stan and she seemed normal so it never bothered me but I immediately stopped talking to her during the Yoongi situation because she tweeted “if Suga was actually sorry he’d do us all a favor and off himself” she deleted really quickly but I had already saw it. And she had the nerve to be text me when the news about Taeil came out and say “can you believe how Kpop Stans are treating Taeil right now!?” So I gave her a piece of my mind and blocked. I genuinely feel like she probably has one of those BTS hate accounts and she forgot to switch accounts when tweeting that tweet. Like how you gonna say you want the one guy who had a minor incident to die and the guy who is being charged for SA is “my little baby who wouldn’t hurt a fly 😢” like do not piss me off man 💀
I hate how people are turning this into a we hate all men situation or I feel sorry for people who bias him situation like this isn’t what we should focus on
@@itsceleste8825 and there are a lot of people making fun of the situation, joking about him being in jail with the RUclipsr who also committed crimes, but I think that’s not respectful for the victim
This is a bit spicy to say but I need to say it for the taeil situation: If u have the mindset what if the victim is lying or innocent till proven guilty you are apart of the problem as well. Innocent till proven guilty doesn’t work for sexual crimes since basically the only proof u could possible get is a video which you will most likely not get. Also assuming the victim might be lying cus people have lied in the past is telling since only 3% of SA@and 🍇 cases are false accusations and even some of those girls are victims of s@/🍇 but just not by the person accused. Imma also call out people who believe if the court don’t put him in jail that’s evidence he didn’t do it… no it’s not
There are multiple situations where a victim is unable to provide solid evidence. And yes, in civilised countries one is innocent until proven guilty. And yes, I am fully aware that many criminals might actually get away with their crimes thanks to the rule, but we had to make a decision of how to deal with that problem so we have chosen the lesser evil (supposedly). Also, there are situations when men's lifes have been destroyed by false accusations and the worst thing is that those women faced no consequences for their lies. Also many feminists commenting on such situations did not give a f.., because they apparantly thought that those innocent men should suffer for someone else's crimes. So I do not have any mindset but I shall stick to the rules of law, and if it makes me a part of the problem, so be it.
@@AUGHHHHHBBG You may as well be rude. I can take it, no problem. I know that you did not ask, but you made a public comment and thus, by expressing your thoughts on-line you sort of allowed anybody to answer and to address this issue. Unless of course you think that people do not have a right to do so but that is not how it works.
Making the choice to believe the victim is personal, but OF COURSE one is innocent until proven guilty. If it ain't the case you can kiss democracy goodbye. That's the law, and everyone is equal under the law.
Also I find it so weird how knetz can say anything and I-fans will take it as gospel just cuz it was written in Korean. And then if you ask for a source they’ll say it’s a random account on twitter, instead of focusing on the actual news.
the worst thing is how some international fans have been gaslighted by knets into thinking feminists in korea are extreme or something... like no, the misogyny is what's extreme, this should have been obvious.
This fucking fandom never knows how to act when allegations like these come up, I swear to god - spreading misinformation as fact, bringing their faves and our faves into it when they have no business being there, using it to justify all sorts of stupid shit
ur so right, people need to start doing their own research cause honestly what.. with the alleged nth room list and even taeils case (who is completly guilty) people start to make up shit and spread it everywhere, then u ask the source and they say twitter. and for everyone saying, omg i hope my fav isnt there or my fav wouldnt do that, like??? have we learned nothing?? theres horrible crimes being committed against women in korea + the nth room telegram chatrooms or wtv is called, yet their main concern is if their faves are a part of it. also kpoppies using this situation for fanwars and some gg stans blaming the fans for stanning bgs or turning it into a hate all men situation/using it for their hate all men agenda is crazy, because as a gg stan they should stfu and support the victim, also a woman who is suffering.. but hey, they dgaf, the only thing that matters to them is hating bgs any chance they get. and then when very obviously false lists come out cause kpop fans are great at seeing anything and running with it without looking into it, everyone believes it and cries for their favs when there are literal victims of those telegram rooms and women suffering all across korea and the world, really they should get their priorities straight. and dont get me started on the people specially on tiktok making fun of the taeil situation for their 5 minutes of fame and likes, its very disrespectful to the victim and they should be ashamed. now dont get me wrong, im not saying its the fans fault or that they shouldnt be sad or disappointed if their faves are exposed for being literal s3x offenders but theres a limit to the jokes and all...
Fr these kpop fans PURPOSELY making shit up, Accusing random male idols of this is f*cking disgusting. The people doing this should get a punishment themselves.
I am an army as well as an nctzen, I really dont understand how people are dragging suga into taeil situation??? Like both the situations are literally poles apart, one just fell off his scooter and didn’t harm anyone or even himself while the other person according to what seems like a confirmed thing has S assaulted a women??? How can people just mix them both and blame each other, if some one has to be blamed it is the Korean media. Becoz they are more inclined towards yoongi than taeil, spreading yoongi articles will give them views. It’s sad that they aren’t covering taeil scandal. Why are people busy blaming idols? I even read somewhere that SM might have payed the media to keep their mouth shut regarding taeil while yoongi himself admitted what he did without hesitation. So stop blaming idols it’s the media that’s behind a wrong drama. And STOP blaming other NCT members…..they don’t stick to each other 24/7 there are possibilities that members wouldn’t have known we don’t know anything
This reminds me a lot about the K**s W* situation, when stans basically defending him and saying that he was innocent and all and at the same time they were attacking Woojin for the false accusations towards him.
Hello so this is a fact about lucas' situation as they are three alleged woman but he date two of them one for a month and one for a week or two (i don't remember the actual times very much) one of the first two asked him to be friends with benefits and the other he asked(?) The third one never dated him and she said she was the one that asked him to be friends with benefits(?) And people pass out the situation as cheating, gaslighting and gold digging even tho the first girlfriend (i think) said that he would ask her not to buy him stuff because he has the money and there is alot of holes in their accusations as one of them said she meet him but he was on a plane to the UK at the time and the one of them sold her twitter account to a boba store and the second admitted to lying and making the scandal to destroy his carrer and then deleted her. The it was revealed to be made by saesangs who he called out for stalking him and his past members because they had i fight and end up releasing photos of the group chat the planned everything in and tried to do the same thing with kun(another wayv member) before and with xiaojun and Hendery after lucas. Another not so fun fun fact is that the sawsang used to not approach wayv closely as they were afraid of lucas and have admitted that alot of times after lucas' hiatus one of them (who literally took photos of the members in the bathroom and tried to sit next to her "bias" on the plane) was literally deported with the members by security from a plane and still stalks them and now stalks zb1 members. And another saesang that was already lucas' saesang still stalks him. Sorry as i can't confirm some part due to the accusers deleting their accounts also don’t believe the accounts on twitter as the original accusers accounts are on weibo(Chinese version of twitter) and in Chinese (another weird thing is that when the original accusations post were on weibo alot of Chinese fans that speak both english and chinese said that the Chinese on the first accusations was weird as you can translated directly using Google translate as a person who studied chinese for a while i can confirm that this is not entirely possible yes some words will translate correctly but not the grammar nor the structure of the sentences) also don't believe ever "Translation" as some are translated wrong on by fans and haters alike to proof that he is "innocent" or "guilty". A youtuber called duck covers the things the saesang "fttmo" has done better as she has literally done so much i will not be able to write it all down (also she is a grown women who followed another member of Nct that being mark from he was 15-20 when wayv debut and she started to stalk them for her "bias" YangYang and admitted that lucas was scary when he was angry even said his manger was scary too his manger then said that all he was doing was telling them to leave the filming set. Also her and another saesang that followed lucas himself climbed a wall during the filming of the "boss" MV in Ukraine. This is so long am sorry 😅. Also i forgot but the "girlfriends" said they knew of the others being present
I’m a multistan and seeing some of the ggs stans make this about them is pissing me OFF… firstly, YES this a huge eye opener for a lot of ppl (why now suddenly? Idk) but anyway the fact that some stans are acting like girls are exempt from Sx crimes are really slow in the head. Yall took this victims moment and are making it a gender war when the focus should be on supporting the victim and shunning Taeil.
as a gg stan i can’t believe that other stans are doing this??? it’s actually depressing. no words and this is proof kpop stans have never cared when people are exploited and victimised
I can, a lot of kpop stans don’t have any morals
@@cookiemonster8184 sadly
Literally I saw people on Twitter tweeting “oh you know the BTS members are on that list!” “The BTS downfall has started now thank you Taeil!” Like genuinely there were worse ones but that’s just two examples. It’s crazy how Kpop stans act with this type of stuff. I had a friend who was an NCT Stan and she seemed normal so it never bothered me but I immediately stopped talking to her during the Yoongi situation because she tweeted “if Suga was actually sorry he’d do us all a favor and off himself” she deleted really quickly but I had already saw it. And she had the nerve to be text me when the news about Taeil came out and say “can you believe how Kpop Stans are treating Taeil right now!?” So I gave her a piece of my mind and blocked. I genuinely feel like she probably has one of those BTS hate accounts and she forgot to switch accounts when tweeting that tweet. Like how you gonna say you want the one guy who had a minor incident to die and the guy who is being charged for SA is “my little baby who wouldn’t hurt a fly 😢” like do not piss me off man 💀
Thank you!!! Kpop stans never know when to read the room
I hate how people are turning this into a we hate all men situation or I feel sorry for people who bias him situation like this isn’t what we should focus on
Same
Exactly, like this isn’t some K-pop problem, it’s real crimes he committed.
@@itsceleste8825 and there are a lot of people making fun of the situation, joking about him being in jail with the RUclipsr who also committed crimes, but I think that’s not respectful for the victim
@@1Uni7 literally
Ikr ??
This is a bit spicy to say but I need to say it for the taeil situation:
If u have the mindset what if the victim is lying or innocent till proven guilty you are apart of the problem as well. Innocent till proven guilty doesn’t work for sexual crimes since basically the only proof u could possible get is a video which you will most likely not get. Also assuming the victim might be lying cus people have lied in the past is telling since only 3% of SA@and 🍇 cases are false accusations and even some of those girls are victims of s@/🍇 but just not by the person accused.
Imma also call out people who believe if the court don’t put him in jail that’s evidence he didn’t do it… no it’s not
There are multiple situations where a victim is unable to provide solid evidence. And yes, in civilised countries one is innocent until proven guilty. And yes, I am fully aware that many criminals might actually get away with their crimes thanks to the rule, but we had to make a decision of how to deal with that problem so we have chosen the lesser evil (supposedly). Also, there are situations when men's lifes have been destroyed by false accusations and the worst thing is that those women faced no consequences for their lies. Also many feminists commenting on such situations did not give a f.., because they apparantly thought that those innocent men should suffer for someone else's crimes.
So I do not have any mindset but I shall stick to the rules of law, and if it makes me a part of the problem, so be it.
@@Euxiphipops77 I don't mean to be rude but I didn't ask if you are the problem.
@@AUGHHHHHBBG You may as well be rude. I can take it, no problem. I know that you did not ask, but you made a public comment and thus, by expressing your thoughts on-line you sort of allowed anybody to answer and to address this issue. Unless of course you think that people do not have a right to do so but that is not how it works.
@@Euxiphipops77 gang it's never that serious
Making the choice to believe the victim is personal, but OF COURSE one is innocent until proven guilty. If it ain't the case you can kiss democracy goodbye. That's the law, and everyone is equal under the law.
Also I find it so weird how knetz can say anything and I-fans will take it as gospel just cuz it was written in Korean. And then if you ask for a source they’ll say it’s a random account on twitter, instead of focusing on the actual news.
the worst thing is how some international fans have been gaslighted by knets into thinking feminists in korea are extreme or something... like no, the misogyny is what's extreme, this should have been obvious.
now don’t get me wrong, I love girl groups, but I hate when gg stans pretend that woman can’t be creeps
Same. Take min heejin (ador) or whatever her name is. She is such a sexually exploitive creep.
prime example: MHJ
fuck just remembered Taeil has a younger sister.....................EW how do you even face her?
This fucking fandom never knows how to act when allegations like these come up, I swear to god - spreading misinformation as fact, bringing their faves and our faves into it when they have no business being there, using it to justify all sorts of stupid shit
ur so right, people need to start doing their own research cause honestly what.. with the alleged nth room list and even taeils case (who is completly guilty) people start to make up shit and spread it everywhere, then u ask the source and they say twitter. and for everyone saying, omg i hope my fav isnt there or my fav wouldnt do that, like??? have we learned nothing?? theres horrible crimes being committed against women in korea + the nth room telegram chatrooms or wtv is called, yet their main concern is if their faves are a part of it.
also kpoppies using this situation for fanwars and some gg stans blaming the fans for stanning bgs or turning it into a hate all men situation/using it for their hate all men agenda is crazy, because as a gg stan they should stfu and support the victim, also a woman who is suffering.. but hey, they dgaf, the only thing that matters to them is hating bgs any chance they get.
and then when very obviously false lists come out cause kpop fans are great at seeing anything and running with it without looking into it, everyone believes it and cries for their favs when there are literal victims of those telegram rooms and women suffering all across korea and the world, really they should get their priorities straight.
and dont get me started on the people specially on tiktok making fun of the taeil situation for their 5 minutes of fame and likes, its very disrespectful to the victim and they should be ashamed.
now dont get me wrong, im not saying its the fans fault or that they shouldnt be sad or disappointed if their faves are exposed for being literal s3x offenders but theres a limit to the jokes and all...
Fr these kpop fans PURPOSELY making shit up, Accusing random male idols of this is f*cking disgusting. The people doing this should get a punishment themselves.
Some were like "don't make this about yoongi and about fanw,ars ARMYs !" Just to see twt filled by OTHER fandoms bringing BTS non stop ! 💀
I am an army as well as an nctzen, I really dont understand how people are dragging suga into taeil situation??? Like both the situations are literally poles apart, one just fell off his scooter and didn’t harm anyone or even himself while the other person according to what seems like a confirmed thing has S assaulted a women??? How can people just mix them both and blame each other, if some one has to be blamed it is the Korean media. Becoz they are more inclined towards yoongi than taeil, spreading yoongi articles will give them views. It’s sad that they aren’t covering taeil scandal. Why are people busy blaming idols? I even read somewhere that SM might have payed the media to keep their mouth shut regarding taeil while yoongi himself admitted what he did without hesitation. So stop blaming idols it’s the media that’s behind a wrong drama. And STOP blaming other NCT members…..they don’t stick to each other 24/7 there are possibilities that members wouldn’t have known we don’t know anything
This reminds me a lot about the K**s W* situation, when stans basically defending him and saying that he was innocent and all and at the same time they were attacking Woojin for the false accusations towards him.
Get em friend
Day 18829920202 of being embarrassed to be a girl group Stan/K-pop fan:
unrelated but i have to know who the girl in the fancam is
Me too
They are so pretty
ICHILLIN's Joonie
Oh SM with the most powerful mediaplay !! 💀
Hello so this is a fact about lucas' situation as they are three alleged woman but he date two of them one for a month and one for a week or two (i don't remember the actual times very much) one of the first two asked him to be friends with benefits and the other he asked(?) The third one never dated him and she said she was the one that asked him to be friends with benefits(?) And people pass out the situation as cheating, gaslighting and gold digging even tho the first girlfriend (i think) said that he would ask her not to buy him stuff because he has the money and there is alot of holes in their accusations as one of them said she meet him but he was on a plane to the UK at the time and the one of them sold her twitter account to a boba store and the second admitted to lying and making the scandal to destroy his carrer and then deleted her. The it was revealed to be made by saesangs who he called out for stalking him and his past members because they had i fight and end up releasing photos of the group chat the planned everything in and tried to do the same thing with kun(another wayv member) before and with xiaojun and Hendery after lucas.
Another not so fun fun fact is that the sawsang used to not approach wayv closely as they were afraid of lucas and have admitted that alot of times after lucas' hiatus one of them (who literally took photos of the members in the bathroom and tried to sit next to her "bias" on the plane) was literally deported with the members by security from a plane and still stalks them and now stalks zb1 members.
And another saesang that was already lucas' saesang still stalks him.
Sorry as i can't confirm some part due to the accusers deleting their accounts also don’t believe the accounts on twitter as the original accusers accounts are on weibo(Chinese version of twitter) and in Chinese (another weird thing is that when the original accusations post were on weibo alot of Chinese fans that speak both english and chinese said that the Chinese on the first accusations was weird as you can translated directly using Google translate as a person who studied chinese for a while i can confirm that this is not entirely possible yes some words will translate correctly but not the grammar nor the structure of the sentences) also don't believe ever "Translation" as some are translated wrong on by fans and haters alike to proof that he is "innocent" or "guilty".
A youtuber called duck covers the things the saesang "fttmo" has done better as she has literally done so much i will not be able to write it all down (also she is a grown women who followed another member of Nct that being mark from he was 15-20 when wayv debut and she started to stalk them for her "bias" YangYang and admitted that lucas was scary when he was angry even said his manger was scary too his manger then said that all he was doing was telling them to leave the filming set. Also her and another saesang that followed lucas himself climbed a wall during the filming of the "boss" MV in Ukraine.
This is so long am sorry 😅.
Also i forgot but the "girlfriends" said they knew of the others being present
I’m a multistan and seeing some of the ggs stans make this about them is pissing me OFF… firstly, YES this a huge eye opener for a lot of ppl (why now suddenly? Idk) but anyway the fact that some stans are acting like girls are exempt from Sx crimes are really slow in the head. Yall took this victims moment and are making it a gender war when the focus should be on supporting the victim and shunning Taeil.