mushrooms can trigger a psychotic episode in those who have pre-existing mental health conditions. he's not claiming that the high lasted two days- he entered a state of psychosis in which he could not distinguish reality from imagination and was trapped in a purgatory-like state that he was desperately trying to escape from.
@@ellebelle7003 And that’s on him, not the shrooms! They must be used safely in the right set and setting and an airliner cockpit isn’t one of them. Admittedly, if the psychedelic experience opens one’s minds to a new reality - certain professionals like pilots should probably think twice because their job literally relies on fixed reality and standards, like not randomly pulling levers that’ll shut down the engine for example!
@@jamiediamond420 Yes, I agree. However, he wasn't using them in the cockpit. His next scheduled flight was 6 days after he took the shrooms. The flight in which he pulled the levers was one where he was off-duty and simply sitting in the cockpit with the pilots. I don't believe he should be able to fly again but I also think the public reaction to this is insensitive and misguided. He shouldn't have used illicit substances in his career period but he did take them in a controlled environment and had no way of knowing it would induce a psychotic episode.
Any ATP knows mushrooms isn't the answer to anything in aviation. We've all worked hard to maintain the level of safety and this guy pissed all over it sorry. Find something else to do.
This guys issues started when he used mushrooms. This is an integrity problem, not a depression problem. This is an attempt to gain a sympathetic ear . Mental health issues are addressed in the industry. My best friend flys for American Airlines and when he told them he was struggling with depression and anxiety about flying and being safe he was giving care by professionals every few days and allowed to be off work for almost a year until he was out of that. I think he was even paid while working through those issues. I wonder if this guy wasn't just suicidal and trying to explain a failed attempt away.
Alaska may not be as caring about their pilots - they are a budget airline. Also, his problems did not start with the mushrooms, clearly. The mushrooms may have been an inapprorpriate medication for a pilot, but the guy was already struggling.
@@VanillaMacaron551 nope mushrooms was the issue. He never felt unreal in his past cockpit experiences to the point of trying to stop the engines or disrupt the cockpit at all, even after his friend died. He used poor judgement and took mushrooms when he shouldn’t have. The end
If you research this story further than this 5 minute video it's clear that he entered a state of psychosis. He didn't magically extend his trip to 48 hours, the use of psychedelics triggered psychosis in him and he was not aware of what he was doing. He's obviously not absolved of guilt; pilots should not use illicit substances at any point but his next flight was not for another 6 days and he was clearly desperately looking for some relief from his depression. He felt pressured to endure it as he feared losing his job and livelihood due to strict airline regulations prohibiting pilots with mental health issues from flying and sometimes completely revoking their license. I don't understand why it's so difficult for people to have empathy for this man? He was in a state of psychosis (which is terrifying) that he desperately wanted to escape. He clearly did not genuinely and clear-headedly intend to kill an entire group of people and he takes full accountability for his behaviour and the extreme danger he put others in. He and his wife run a not-for-profit aimed at creating space for pilots to address mental health issues without fear that they'll be left completely jobless. This incident should encourage the destigmatisation of mental health issues for people in aviation and not further shame and alienate pilots who are just humans who sometimes struggle.
So someone who has had a clean record their entire life, who goes through an incredibly loss, just does what he did out of nowhere and it's NOT mental health?
@@0425connie LMAO. Mental health crisis.....what a croc of BS. The prisons are full of people who killed or attempted to kill "just because". Get a clue.
You should never be able to fly a plane again in your lifetime. You should be putting in jail for a very long time endangering so many lot. How dare you?
Going to jail isn't going to help him , he needs to have therapy 3 times a week for lifetime straight . He should be "grounded " for lifetime. Grounded is a term for pilots being suspended from flying. Jail isn't the answer in this . You don't punish the kids taking the father away in jail . Kids would end up having issues. Take away the one thing a pilot loves , which his flying. Jail is not alway the answer. People are so quick to judge others. I sure everyone on this comment platform has drunk so much that they have drove home , which they should not have. Therapy is important
@@RG-vc9nn nah endangering hundreds of lives is a different type of sick. He didn’t take himself out alone he waited till he was on a plane and tried to take hundreds out with a lame excuse of not feeling real. He deserves jail time. Especially if we send people to jail or parking tickets but nice try defending the psycho
What? You have got to be kidding me.. This guy almost killed 84 people, and now he's promoting this and making money??? Really???? This is a new low for civilization
@@Tjgraham125yup his bullshit madness should be laughed at. That’s what’s wrong with the world now, we think everything is okay under the guise of mental health. This man is a danger to society lock him up
@@Tjgraham125 Are you a troll or do you really lack the intellect to understand communication? It's obvious I am not LAUGHING at the situation; I am laughing at how ridiculous these people are who do bad things and then always regret it when they get caught. & no, it's a fact, this isn't an outrageous statement, your terrible interpretation and lack of comprehension is.
@@Tjgraham125 my intention was to highlight the irony or predictability of people regretting their actions only when consequences are imminent. Understand now?
*Former flight attend here. Let me tell you all the reasons this man needs to go to jail for a long time.* Crews have been random drug tested since the late 1980s. Even if your state allows legal, recreational Marijuana, crews still get fired for a positive test. Don't like the rules? Get a different job. Airlines have an anonymous, third party employee assistance program. He didn't have the sense to contact them. This is an incredibly poor decision in a career where poor decisions can k!ll hundreds of innocent passengers. What if he had the psychotic episode while on duty? If a pilot needs to use the restroom inflight, a flight attendant goes into the cockpit so that it always has two crew inside it. If he had pulled back on the throttles while the other pilot was out, very few flight attendants would have known how to recover power to the engines. His story is lame. Could he have been leading a secret life, given the length of grief and "attachment" he had to his deceased friend? I've seen these kind of "airline family" relationships several times in my 35+ year career.
Psychedelic mushrooms are not medication. 😅 Be accountable....you took drugs and got on a plane. If this had been a passenger, they look him up and throw away the key.
Not siding sith him, but a good point is brought up. Pilots spend over $100,000-$130,000 in training, and many years of flying, just to get a chance to fly passengers at a low paying regional airline. They need to build a few years of flying hours with the regional before they can fly with the bigger airline. That is alot of time and money invested into their career, more than most people have invested. The government is quick to take away a pilots licenses simply because they reach out for help if they feel depressed. That pilot is now only qualified to sell cigarettes at 7-Eleven for minimum wage. Discouraging pilots from seeking mental health services ultimately creates situations such as this.
I stopped taking Alaskan not because of him, but one male CA made a fun of me talking racial ugly comments in the cabin. This CA did not go through medical treatment I believe.
I Don't think he should go to jail . I think he should be grounded . " Grounded " is a term for pilot being on suspension . He should get therapy for 3 times a weak for a lifetime ." Grounded" for a lifetime. Taking away a pilots love of flying is the punishment he should get , not take him to jail. Then his kids would end up not having a father around. The kids would end up having issues too if you send him to jail. Really think people for you say " lock him up "
He needs to go to jail. If you're caught drunk while driving, you don't need to have k!lled someone to go to jail. What he did was one million times worse.
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Mushrooms don't last 2 days if you don't keep taking them
💯...8hrs,tops! UNLESS, as you said, you keep taking them!!
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mushrooms can trigger a psychotic episode in those who have pre-existing mental health conditions. he's not claiming that the high lasted two days- he entered a state of psychosis in which he could not distinguish reality from imagination and was trapped in a purgatory-like state that he was desperately trying to escape from.
@@ellebelle7003 And that’s on him, not the shrooms! They must be used safely in the right set and setting and an airliner cockpit isn’t one of them. Admittedly, if the psychedelic experience opens one’s minds to a new reality - certain professionals like pilots should probably think twice because their job literally relies on fixed reality and standards, like not randomly pulling levers that’ll shut down the engine for example!
@@jamiediamond420 Yes, I agree. However, he wasn't using them in the cockpit. His next scheduled flight was 6 days after he took the shrooms. The flight in which he pulled the levers was one where he was off-duty and simply sitting in the cockpit with the pilots. I don't believe he should be able to fly again but I also think the public reaction to this is insensitive and misguided. He shouldn't have used illicit substances in his career period but he did take them in a controlled environment and had no way of knowing it would induce a psychotic episode.
Any ATP knows mushrooms isn't the answer to anything in aviation. We've all worked hard to maintain the level of safety and this guy pissed all over it sorry. Find something else to do.
This guys issues started when he used mushrooms. This is an integrity problem, not a depression problem. This is an attempt to gain a sympathetic ear . Mental health issues are addressed in the industry. My best friend flys for American Airlines and when he told them he was struggling with depression and anxiety about flying and being safe he was giving care by professionals every few days and allowed to be off work for almost a year until he was out of that. I think he was even paid while working through those issues.
I wonder if this guy wasn't just suicidal and trying to explain a failed attempt away.
Alaska may not be as caring about their pilots - they are a budget airline. Also, his problems did not start with the mushrooms, clearly. The mushrooms may have been an inapprorpriate medication for a pilot, but the guy was already struggling.
@@VanillaMacaron551whatever…
I'm wondering if he's just another narcissistic a-hole!!?
@@VanillaMacaron551 nope mushrooms was the issue. He never felt unreal in his past cockpit experiences to the point of trying to stop the engines or disrupt the cockpit at all, even after his friend died. He used poor judgement and took mushrooms when he shouldn’t have. The end
If you research this story further than this 5 minute video it's clear that he entered a state of psychosis. He didn't magically extend his trip to 48 hours, the use of psychedelics triggered psychosis in him and he was not aware of what he was doing. He's obviously not absolved of guilt; pilots should not use illicit substances at any point but his next flight was not for another 6 days and he was clearly desperately looking for some relief from his depression. He felt pressured to endure it as he feared losing his job and livelihood due to strict airline regulations prohibiting pilots with mental health issues from flying and sometimes completely revoking their license. I don't understand why it's so difficult for people to have empathy for this man? He was in a state of psychosis (which is terrifying) that he desperately wanted to escape. He clearly did not genuinely and clear-headedly intend to kill an entire group of people and he takes full accountability for his behaviour and the extreme danger he put others in. He and his wife run a not-for-profit aimed at creating space for pilots to address mental health issues without fear that they'll be left completely jobless. This incident should encourage the destigmatisation of mental health issues for people in aviation and not further shame and alienate pilots who are just humans who sometimes struggle.
Whats his problem? His attorney should be screaming at him "Dont talk to the media!!!".
I said the same 😊thing
*MANY* pilots are raging narcissists.
What's the difference between a pilot and God? God doesn't think he's a pilot.
I mean, is this even acceptable? Sorry about your friend and your depression but not fair for everyone else to be put in danger dude. Can you imagine.
Do you know how depression works?
@@erauprcwawhat does that have to do with what he actually did and severely risking at least 83 other people…
@@mob4336 You make it sound like it's a conscious decision with what he did?
Yep standard procedure these days. Play the mental health card.
So someone who has had a clean record their entire life, who goes through an incredibly loss, just does what he did out of nowhere and it's NOT mental health?
Do your homework. There is a mental health crisis in the US. He's not "playing" anything. Do you really think someone would do this just because...
@@0425connie LMAO. Mental health crisis.....what a croc of BS. The prisons are full of people who killed or attempted to kill "just because". Get a clue.
@@0425conniea typical copout of a useless human being.
Why is he not in prison?
You know why…
He is out on bail
@@jay1373 ok so why was there no trial?
@@jay1373 how about no bail? Like what’s his name Sheikh Khalid or whatever the fk is his name.. in Guantanamo Bay
Intrusive thoughts won.
You should never be able to fly a plane again in your lifetime. You should be putting in jail for a very long time endangering so many lot. How dare you?
Going to jail isn't going to help him , he needs to have therapy 3 times a week for lifetime straight . He should be "grounded " for lifetime. Grounded is a term for pilots being suspended from flying. Jail isn't the answer in this . You don't punish the kids taking the father away in jail . Kids would end up having issues. Take away the one thing a pilot loves , which his flying. Jail is not alway the answer. People are so quick to judge others. I sure everyone on this comment platform has drunk so much that they have drove home , which they should not have. Therapy is important
@@RG-vc9nn nah endangering hundreds of lives is a different type of sick. He didn’t take himself out alone he waited till he was on a plane and tried to take hundreds out with a lame excuse of not feeling real. He deserves jail time. Especially if we send people to jail or parking tickets but nice try defending the psycho
Wtffffffff how dare he try to get sympathy. After endangering so many people
How dare he demonize plant medicine mushrooms!!!
What? You have got to be kidding me.. This guy almost killed 84 people, and now he's promoting this and making money??? Really???? This is a new low for civilization
It’s funny how they always regret it, when they face charges 🤣
No, that’s an outrageous statement and then you’re laughing about this incident. Disturbing.
@@Tjgraham125yup his bullshit madness should be laughed at. That’s what’s wrong with the world now, we think everything is okay under the guise of mental health. This man is a danger to society lock him up
@@Tjgraham125 Are you a troll or do you really lack the intellect to understand communication? It's obvious I am not LAUGHING at the situation; I am laughing at how ridiculous these people are who do bad things and then always regret it when they get caught. & no, it's a fact, this isn't an outrageous statement, your terrible interpretation and lack of comprehension is.
@@Tjgraham125 my intention was to highlight the irony or predictability of people regretting their actions only when consequences are imminent. Understand now?
@@Tjgraham125 lost in the sauce ;P
*Former flight attend here. Let me tell you all the reasons this man needs to go to jail for a long time.* Crews have been random drug tested since the late 1980s. Even if your state allows legal, recreational Marijuana, crews still get fired for a positive test. Don't like the rules? Get a different job. Airlines have an anonymous, third party employee assistance program. He didn't have the sense to contact them. This is an incredibly poor decision in a career where poor decisions can k!ll hundreds of innocent passengers. What if he had the psychotic episode while on duty? If a pilot needs to use the restroom inflight, a flight attendant goes into the cockpit so that it always has two crew inside it. If he had pulled back on the throttles while the other pilot was out, very few flight attendants would have known how to recover power to the engines. His story is lame. Could he have been leading a secret life, given the length of grief and "attachment" he had to his deceased friend? I've seen these kind of "airline family" relationships several times in my 35+ year career.
Psychedelic mushrooms do not effect your 48 hours later
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Wtfff he is trying to run cover for trying to kill a bunch of people with himself
Psychedelic mushrooms are not medication. 😅
Be accountable....you took drugs and got on a plane.
If this had been a passenger, they look him up and throw away the key.
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Your right
Not siding sith him, but a good point is brought up. Pilots spend over $100,000-$130,000 in training, and many years of flying, just to get a chance to fly passengers at a low paying regional airline. They need to build a few years of flying hours with the regional before they can fly with the bigger airline. That is alot of time and money invested into their career, more than most people have invested. The government is quick to take away a pilots licenses simply because they reach out for help if they feel depressed. That pilot is now only qualified to sell cigarettes at 7-Eleven for minimum wage. Discouraging pilots from seeking mental health services ultimately creates situations such as this.
Well, since he willingly admits his mistake, he should be severely punished
Why is he talking now!?
You don’t take others with you when you want to end your own life.
The way he says “right” pisses me the hell off. As if he’s the sensible one after attempting to murder over 80 people.
Never. You should be in prison until you’re old and grey. You had no right.
He”ll get a psych sentence get his medical disability with SSI and make more than most of us ever do. And most likely get his private license back.
Nope! Unless SSI pays north of $275-300K a year.
Why is he taking drugs in the first place before flying!?
Broooo don't blame the mushrooms.
An unforgivable act and in my industry, he attempted what is never acceptable. Permanent revocation is the only answer.
People on here have no clue how important talking about mental health is in aviation. You all want another Germanwings or Malaysian Airlines to happen
He should get 200 years!!! What!!!!????
Why isn’t this guy in prison?
JAIL TIME. TOO DANGEROUS, DO NOT EVEN DRIVE.
He fd up and now turned into something else
Best friend? Naw, that was his boyfriend. And he is a liar!
You were conscious before taking mushrooms, and you know that in this career that not mix...
Find another profession...you are done !!
Naa lock this fool up
So he wants to be the victim? O ok
JetBlues
This comment section did not pass the vibe check.
Vibe check?
You're toast dude.
I stopped taking Alaskan not because of him, but one male CA made a fun of me talking racial ugly comments in the cabin. This CA did not go through medical treatment I believe.
I Don't think he should go to jail . I think he should be grounded . " Grounded " is a term for pilot being on suspension . He should get therapy for 3 times a weak for a lifetime ." Grounded" for a lifetime. Taking away a pilots love of flying is the punishment he should get , not take him to jail. Then his kids would end up not having a father around. The kids would end up having issues too if you send him to jail. Really think people for you say " lock him up "
He needs to go to jail. If you're caught drunk while driving, you don't need to have k!lled someone to go to jail. What he did was one million times worse.
Yes he needs to have his pilot's license revoked at the bare minimum. And then later charged multiple counts of attempted murder.