Yea but what you saying here makes no sense or point, because if let's say Bonac was born in 1950 he would be like others from that era not a mass monster from 2000s
The fact that we are still comparing modern day bodybuilders to Arnold, 46 years later say it all for me. It begs the question, 46 years from now will they be comparing their current champion to Chris or to Arnold? My money is on the Oak!!
Let’s not forget Chris isn’t open like Arnold was… Chris is a classic physique division which has a weight cap… while Arnold’s division didn’t have one
I see what people are saying about modern day conditioning and hardness with Chris, but he simply doesn’t have the development as Arnold. Also, delts in rear double biceps for Arnold crush Bumstead.
@@Raineri5112 I disagree. His muscle bellies were clearly visible with the development he had and just look how much bigger and longer his teardrops were on his quads, his lat insertions etc. He basically had no weaknesses.
Arnold looks awesome. In some poses he is uncomparable. His arms are humongous, his chest is round and full, his calves are huge. His most muscular pose is frightening. Arnold is the king still after all those years. Hats off mister Schwarzenegger. You were one of it's kind. God bless you.
@@luke8973 That and training bodyparts 2-3 times/week pre-contest caused muscles to look like they were bursting through cellophane skin. Also, Hips were narrow and waistlines were tight from the reduced poundages used for leg work and all the top guys seemed to have calves.
@@luke8973 Yeah, the "Y" frame was more in vogue back then. Unfortunately people are used to seeing overblown thighs these days. Arnold's legs were perfect for his body.
Chris Bumstead has short triceps and biceps.Arnold biceps where longer and had a amazing peak. His triceps where longer aswell. You have too look all around not just at the vacuum. Arnold was gifted with amazing genetics. Even Ronnie Colman said that if Arnold was in his prime today with the drugs they use. He would dominate.
@@MrFleix you are correct sorry I should of name some of the things Arnold was lacking. But you have to remember Arnold had genetics out of this world. It’s like when you compare Larry wheels to andrei deiu. More plates more dates did a visit over them two. Go check it out
@@originalmk7251 As does Bumstead. Bumstead had far better genetics. Arnold had a lot and i do mean a lot of flaws. His genetics are incomparable to the all time greats.
Look at Arnolds legs in comparison to his upper body. Chris is the definition of proportion and symmetry. Arnold opened the door and had the vision, Chris is the result of decades and decades of bodybuilders trying to perfect that vision. We all know Arnold is the goat, but Chris’s physique as whole completely smokes Arnold.
@@MrFleix I mean Chris has oversized delts that lead to skinny arms and puny forearms, no lower back development at all, high lat inserts, no calves. Weakness for weakness, chris has more so...
@@unknwn_usr3077 id say his worst pose is his back double bi. It really shows the weakness in his hamstrings, I mean his calves look bigger than his hammies lmao
in my opinion what really completed the classic physique was overall balance and that rawness in their physiques, and the lower back insertions played a key role to complete that look, which is sadly I miss in many top bodybuilders today
@@Dadbod412 There still good genetics in open but it’s different, it’s more if you have a big frame that can support all the mass not necessarily good muscle insertions. Iain Valliere is an example
@@panama1942 I agree actually. I was trying to be facetious to the OP that of all the things in bodybuilders control he picked the one thing they have no control over to say he misses.
There is a difference of many decades, in terms of phsique. It was a physique of 70's and it still inspires millions. Chris Bumstead is the king of Classic Physique of Modern Times.
To bring some perspective to the "Zane best Arnold" argument: he beat him in the 60's when Arnold had no conditioning to show of. Sooo a peak arnold has never been beaten by anyone.
True, but Frank Zane beat Arnold Schwarzenegger at the 1968 IFBB Mr. Universe contest. It was probably Arnold's most impactful loss, as narrated in his book The Education of a Bodybuilder.
Bumstead is basically Arnold with a smaller waist, better ab genetics, bigger legs, narrower frame, smaller chest, smaller back, and smaller set of arms. Very similar physiques. But Arnold's posing was good enough to make you think he had a small waist while at the same time showing you a chest that would be world-class in 2021.
@@stephencurran2284 I think Bumstead's posing is very good, but look at the twisting back double bicep shot at 4:28 for example. Bumstead is not twisting enough, so you can barely see any of the far-side back. Arnold is hitting it perfectly and you see both sides of his back. And notice that Arnold's waist actually looks smaller in that comparison even though his waist is actually way bigger than Bumstead's. This is the kind of advantage that Arnold would get in posing.
@@poleag ....in that pose at 4:28, the angle of camera is different, with Chris his closer leg isn’t covering his crotch area the same like Arnold,he is turned farther relative to the camera, so if affects how much of his back you can see, and makes Arnold’s waist look thinner due to the angle. If you kept the same position but rotated their bodies so you couldn’t see Chris’ front of shorts, you would in turn see more of his back like Arnold Although Arnold’s legs are a bit closer together too, Chris is stepping further out with his far leg
74’ Arnold almost 50 years ago still smashes the living daylights out of lil cbum. Chest , back thickness ,shoulders , biceps , triceps , forearms , calves and abs . Cbum has quads , back width and conditioning ,That is it. Arnold the greatest to ever do it
This is dumb. Bodybuilding is all about judging the entire physique, it’s not about picking and choosing individual body parts you might like better than the other guy or completely disregarding half of a persons body just because you like someone, as you watched a few movies they were in.
Arnold is why most people over this generation got into bodybuilding! Will people in the future say they get into bodybuilding because of Chris Bumstead? No
Well he is training to match the aesthetic of 1975, he's not using the same amount of drugs to get insanely big as the open division. So its not inconceivable that he would be similar in size to even with limited access to growth hormone.
@@timbrakefield8313 not many guys have been 240 in the 70s even arnold was more like 225 in most olympias. Serge nubret was around 200 pounds. Chris would be much smaller in the 70s and much less hard which would make him look much different
@@timbrakefield8313 true. If you watch videos of lou ferigno when he did his comeback you see what happens if an oldschool guy takes what is available now. He looked nothing like his 70s version.
@@cimi93xNick was holding his poses better than Hunter. Hunter wasnt that aesthetic with his washed out abs, they were just plain. & he had some apot in his chest from the tear. Go look at the video that this page posted comparing the two. Nick is better in more poses. But yeah Politics cause of Labrada Nutrition
Arnold physique is pleasing to see it's flowing and proportionate.Chris Bumstead would win on overall score however his physique is not pleasing to look at.
It's not a fair comparison, the questions is, how would Chris Bumstead look in 1975 with the gear, training, & nutrition back then? What would Arnold look in 2024 with everything available?
If Arnold was around today with the new technology, training methods, and equipment he would most likely be similar to Phil Heath with wider shoulders and better structure overall and ripped to the bone. Remember in 1975 Arnold was 28 and, in 1974 he was around 20lb heavier and ripped, which meant in `74 and `75 he had at least 5 to 10yrs to fully mature. Today`s Olympia champions wouldn`t stand a chance.
Thing is , its very hard to beat Arnold, even for guys from the future, since his pecs and biceps were genetically unbeatable, which makes him look like a greek god. Of course CB is great, but he looks just muscular, , he did an amazing work, but at the end of the day, Arnold is more impressive
Look at Arnolds legs in comparison to his upper body. Chris is the definition of proportion and symmetry. Arnold opened the door and had the vision, Chris is the result of decades and decades of bodybuilders trying to perfect that vision. We all know Arnold is the goat, but Chris’s physique as whole completely smokes Arnold.
Back in Arnold’s day there was no clenbuterol, There were no aromatase inhibitors, There were no diuretics, so putting those three together and boom you can get to sub 5% body fat and be striated everywhere. Tbh it’s not impressive what’s impressive is Arnold’s arms, calves, chest and conditioning by just eating cleaner
He just want views He even stopped reading the comments, as his channel started to grew a bit, earlier he used to butt now he just make videos that make people argue in the comments so that he gets more engagement
Arnold Schwarzenegger in 1974 was a good 15 Pounds heavier than in 1975. He had thicker calves, thighs, and back. Today's bodybuilders have overdeveloped glutes and hamstrings. The actual quadriceps muscle isn't better than Arnold had.
Arnold's insertions are unmatched. His lats go down nearly to his waist! Not even to speak of his chest. He also had exceptionally wide biceps. I'd say the only person who matched him pec-wise was Serge Nubret
If you took Bumstead and just dropped him in 1975 without changing anything else, he'd easily win. Conditioning standards have progressed significantly over the last 45 years. All the other guys on stage would realistically look 5 weeks out compared to him, including Arnold.
@@PedroHMelo Look at Arnolds legs in comparison to his upper body. Chris is the definition of proportion and symmetry. Arnold opened the door and had the vision, Chris is the result of decades and decades of bodybuilders trying to perfect that vision. We all know Arnold is the goat, but Chris’s physique as whole completely smokes Arnold.
If Arnold have had today's science and supplements back in the 70's, he'd destroy any of today's competition. But the stuff they use today to look ripped is terrible unhealthy. Back when Arnold was active he kept himself pretty much natural off-season and only juiced a month prior to competition. Nowadays they are always on juice all year around.
1:15 torn hamstring of Bumsteed 1:52 nothing will fix that bumsted biceps. Hight attachment short head. 2:57 look at hat torn quad of Bumsteed.3:50 diffrent angle to compare biceps. 4:39 nothing will fix that bumsted biceps. Hight attachment short head. 4:50 posing makes a diffrence for lats to pop
I agree... I understand the basis for the bb criteria, but in a way it blows... I mean, seemingly a bb competition is decided by having dudes turn around and having a look at their glutes. Seriously...???
@@donquixote... I think that glutes are being used as a measure of how conditioned a bb is. Having striated gutes is really a peak of conditioning :D But I agree that as a normal dudes we don't look at bb's asses to decide how good their physiques look
I have a feeling the reason we don’t see that thickness like the golden era anymore is because they used to lift heavy, with more manual movements. Today they do rely a lot on gh and mostly use machines.
Not assuming here but seems like you missed something very crucial - Their difference of fat level percentage. Most bber that has to dry out their body to 4-6% they wouldnt look as thick as they would with extra fat and not getting as dry (7-9%). This is a huge factor and this is why weeks leading to the contest guys look huge in IG. So is Dorian 6 weeks out from 1993 O. Lifting heavy may increase (still unproven by research AFAIC) things like muscle maturity. But “with more manual movements” is a stretched argument. To be fair, you did say “I have a feeling” and not something decisive See Paul Dillett and Roelly Winklaar? Those guys are thicc asf and they use machines. Hell 7x Mr O Phil Heath if he is wider he would have been thick af and we all know Phil hardly ever uses anything other than machines and db for arm and shoulder GH masw some of their gut thicker tho 😂😂😂
There are still 40% chances of improvements in Arnold's body with new equipments, if he is competing today. Think how he would have looks like 😍 respect legend.
I agree. If anything this comparison shows that Bumstead´s legs are way overdone. Even the few clear cuts in Arnold´s legs make them look much better. + you can actually walk properly with legs like that (that´s what they are made for ;)
Nope in the Museum of Arnold is a stature of Arnold and next to it there is an old blackboard with some facts about his Height, Weight, waist … And on that Board stands that he was 184 cm in his peak wich is near 6.1
@@MeesterJ Look at pictures of him with James Cameron Arnold was an good inch smaller. James Cameron was 6.2 and why should someone say that he is smaller than he really is ?
@@123-g8d3m that was years later after his bodybuilding career..most of golden era BB says the same thing, that arnie was somewhat 6'2 during their reign on the same gym..
For the classical pose - IMO Arnold would have done the Side Bilateral arm/Mantid pose which he patented - in fact, that pose should be retired in his honor - as all others who attempt it - look like puny red-haired stepchildren in comparison.
@@angledgaze6203 Yes - but nobody remembers Larry doing it; hence the oak gets the patent, the credit and all the glory that goes with it :). It is like when Elvis would sing someone's else's song and do it so well you forget who originally sang it.
Diets, equipment, knowledge…silly argument comparing bodies. Arnolds greatness is that he was able to be a physique that has stood as the gold standard for this long. Amazing!
You need guns, and Arnold had them. Again, why comparing two different eras? If C-Bum had the buns, he would be unbeatable in Mr. Olympia Classic. Arnold remains regardless the one and only.
Arnold made history ! In 50 years from now people will be also comparing the then top bodybuilder with Arnold and Chris. Chris will go down in history as one of the greats he is absolutely amazing
Look at the legs ,glutes , hamstring, chris wins Look at the arms, back ,chest Arnold wins Look at the conditioning Chris all the way So overall chris wins on today's standard
@@Teakani Well, Arnold won competition by his brain and mindset. He knew what he has to do to be a champion and he did just that. In 2021, Arnold physique would be different according 2021 standard but mindset would remain that is, being the best bodybuilder on the stage so he will build body, posing routine and presentation based on that
I think they and the crowd would be disgusted at the sight of Cbum for having that level of conditioning, vascularity, and heavier tanning. However, I think most if not all of them know deep down this is impressive, freaky, another level never thought of possible from a human before. Just like average person seeing modern day open bodybuilders I would say.
I have to agree with your judging Mark, but I also have to agree with Big King Ronnie Coleman who said that Arnold with modern "technology" 💉 would make everyone look like small child 😎
Wait so since Chris is leaning back on the back double, you bring up another shot where he's standing straight? But when dudes aren't even spreading in the back lat spread, you give the guy that is spreading the win without looking at any other pictures... Why is that?
My 8 year old calls it for Arnold. My wife thinks they are both gross and thinks I'm crazy for paying attention. So yeah, def Bumstead for the overall win.
Bumstead's personality is hands down light years ahead of Arnold at the same age. Bumstead is humble and wise beyond his years. Arnold was still acting like a spoiled, womanizing brat well into his 50s. Both super smart and dedicated, but Bumstead is just a great guy. Arnold has definitely chilled out and wizened up from where he was in his early days, though.
Same thing like their physique, we can compare them directly objectively for fun. But if we were to take it relatively, then this can also change. We (in the modern era) has much better education, morals, and much less chaos going around. We have social media and google to learn things from. Arnold was born not far from WW2. Most of them learn by experience the hard way much more I would say. This is probably how , yes, Arnold realized and admitted he was kinda self centered and narcissistic back in 60-80s or perhaps beyond that as well. Chris is a class act, Arnold is too for admitting that
You know if Chris took the delorien to 1975 he would stop training his legs and blow up to 260lbs. Hed look completely different and approriate for that era
Mark come one. Your argument about frank zane beating Arnold is stupid. Frank zane beat Arnold in 68 when Arnold was just a young newbie. Thats completely meaningless. He was nowhere near his prime. Prime Arnold beat frank zane any day of the week and it wasnt even close.
Back in the 70's, having huge legs wasn't a priority like it is today. If they were, Arnold would definitely have brought them up and won this match up.
Lets not forget that back in those days Arnold and the guys trained a few months before competition, in the off season they sometimes lost almost all weight and looked rather normal at times. Had arnold trained as CB today, Im pretty sure he would be on another level.
Apparently they did take a couple months off after competition and there are even some pictures of Arnold looking fat lol. But he took time off because leading up to competition he would overtrain the fuck out of his body. Nobody in bodybuilding today trains as hard as they did back then. Idk if one is necessarily better than the other
Haha they had pretty much all the stuff they have today, back then. (As far as steroids are concerned). There are three major differences tho, and if Arnold had that edge, he would be dominant in todays bb just as well. 50 years ago, whole branch of sport medicine was logically very outdated compared to todays, bb's started using HGH since mid 90's, and there lies the 10kg of extra mass the guy manage to pack on today, and also, Arnold didnt bulk with heavy cicles, back then, they mostly used gear when shredding, to keep as much muscle mass as posible. Arnold in 2021 would be battling Ramy for the Mr. O, Im sure of it.
Okay well Chris looks much better it's just a fact, but the pictures quality is something to consider. Chris built ontop of what Arnold made, so this isn't a fair comparison
1971 & 1974 Oak would blow Bumstead away. 1975 was a lot closer. Still, structurally they are very different. The Oaks biggest advantages were longer legs (calves blow Bumstead away), barrel like chest & amazing arms & lower lat flare. Chris has pegged the Oak in the abs section & outer quads. I'm just imagining if Arnold competed in the 2021 Classic as he was in 1975 & I think he'd bring the kind of herculean look that would edge out his modern polished rivals. Who in the modern age could beat those bicep peaks & side chest pose? I think some extra hack squats really would have made the diff with Arnolds overall leg thickness. This could have been a forgone conclusion with the comparison if that was the case.
Arnold wouldn't have the taper or the conditioning. And while his chest is amazing his SC pose was very imbalanced. Plus he would lose the BDB and A&T to every competitor in the top 3. He would also get beaten by Breon in the FDB. Classic pose can go anyway.
@@samraizshoaib585 His side chest was his no.1 weapon as well as the FDB. Even todays top Olympia competitors would have problems facing off with him here. I note that a lot of these comparisons are of Arnold in 1975. We all know he sacrificed a lot of mass due to filming obligations (the director wanted him below 210lb!) The Arnold of 1971 was incredible. This is where I think most of his most impressive tape measurements were taken. 58" chest/back. 22" arms. 29" thighs. 34" waist. He started working his calves more seriously after his earlier defeats. By 1974 they were an incredible 20". I've seen pictures of Arnold at the 1971 Olympia next to Serge Nubret & Serge looks tiny. I reckon the 1975 Serge Nubret would of beaten Chris. Don't forget Arnold had a lot of thickness in his back. Due to his stature he was not going to look as wide in the BDB as a Ronnie or Dorian. Although I think his arms 'looked' more aesthetic in the BDB than Chris or any of the mainstream winners.
Arnold's lats tied in with his external obliques & his lower abbs & upper glutes weren't overdeveloped. Everything about modern Olympia today is off, sheer mass over class was never the game in the 70's & 80's that's whay those competitors are still remembered. If Big Ramy trained for aesthetics now imagine what he would look like. He has the genes for it.
Believe me, if Arnold had been this time, he would have pushed himself over the edge to compete with the men he's criticizing.
100%
Without a doubt, ARNOLD WOULD ❤️❤️❤️🔥
100% agree, he's one of the all time greats! The Champion mindset would dominate in any era
Well, no one likes a big gut
Yea but what you saying here makes no sense or point, because if let's say Bonac was born in 1950 he would be like others from that era not a mass monster from 2000s
Arnold is the king , that chest is unmatched still to this day.
Yeeeesh i’d say that for Cbum instead, Arnold got them arms & back
his chest was his problem for symmetry. Almost every other from the golden era had a smaller proportional chest and looked better
@@ABABABABABABABABABABBBBBB omg hahahha dude you know nudda 🤭
@@kyrojayfit6805 you too damn dude go do a google search
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Arnold’s chest in the front lat spread is insane
yeah it really ends up being a front chest spread 😂
@@padraigdoyle9262 learned reply... Not many will understand this
@@AkhtarKhan-sb9ln many understand.. What is ur problem?
@@redzuanmuhamad7858 yeah im confused at what hes trying to say too
Derek Lunsford (21) vs Brandon Curry (21)
@Gibran Camus they have entirely different proportions lol how clueless can you be
Do Dark shine vs puri puri prisoner vs tank top master. comparison
@@ThomasSeeds mean guy you are.
Garou vs cbum comparision
Derek is cringe
The fact that we are still comparing modern day bodybuilders to Arnold, 46 years later say it all for me.
It begs the question, 46 years from now will they be comparing their current champion to Chris or to Arnold?
My money is on the Oak!!
Let’s not forget Chris isn’t open like Arnold was… Chris is a classic physique division which has a weight cap… while Arnold’s division didn’t have one
I see what people are saying about modern day conditioning and hardness with Chris, but he simply doesn’t have the development as Arnold. Also, delts in rear double biceps for Arnold crush Bumstead.
I mean obviously. Arnold is a movie star more than anything else.
@@The_Conspiracy_Analysthe is more a bodybuilder then anything else you mean
@@ClassicTor he made maybe a few million from bodybuilding, but many millions from acting
if Arnold had today's technology, he would be the best thing to ever step onto the Mr. Olympia stage ~ Ronny Coleman
💯
This.
Well nobody can know how arnold's body would respond to using hgh, insulin etc. modern stuff.. Ronnie was just polite.
Ronnie "minus 3 percent body fat" Coleman? That guy? yeah because Coleman knows how Arnold would respond to modern pharmacology (not).
@@Raineri5112 I disagree. His muscle bellies were clearly visible with the development he had and just look how much bigger and longer his teardrops were on his quads, his lat insertions etc. He basically had no weaknesses.
Arnold looks awesome. In some poses he is uncomparable. His arms are humongous, his chest is round and full, his calves are huge. His most muscular pose is frightening. Arnold is the king still after all those years. Hats off mister Schwarzenegger. You were one of it's kind. God bless you.
Amazing how Arnold's physique stands up - I have to admit I much prefer that look over most of what I am seeing today. Chest and arms baby!!!
And calves
To me the smaller legs is what makes me prefer the old school guys
@@luke8973 That and training bodyparts 2-3 times/week pre-contest caused muscles to look like they were bursting through cellophane skin.
Also, Hips were narrow and waistlines were tight from the reduced poundages used for leg work and all the top guys seemed to have calves.
dominant chest and arms is the worst look and not the most masculine
@@luke8973 Yeah, the "Y" frame was more in vogue back then. Unfortunately people are used to seeing overblown thighs these days. Arnold's legs were perfect for his body.
Chris Bumstead has short triceps and biceps.Arnold biceps where longer and had a amazing peak. His triceps where longer aswell. You have too look all around not just at the vacuum. Arnold was gifted with amazing genetics. Even Ronnie Colman said that if Arnold was in his prime today with the drugs they use. He would dominate.
So? Arnold had a wide waist and sub-par legs and no lat spread. Can‘t name the flaws of one person and completely ignore the other person
@@MrFleix you are correct sorry I should of name some of the things Arnold was lacking. But you have to remember Arnold had genetics out of this world. It’s like when you compare Larry wheels to andrei deiu. More plates more dates did a visit over them two. Go check it out
@@originalmk7251 As does Bumstead. Bumstead had far better genetics. Arnold had a lot and i do mean a lot of flaws. His genetics are incomparable to the all time greats.
Look at Arnolds legs in comparison to his upper body. Chris is the definition of proportion and symmetry. Arnold opened the door and had the vision, Chris is the result of decades and decades of bodybuilders trying to perfect that vision. We all know Arnold is the goat, but Chris’s physique as whole completely smokes Arnold.
@@MrFleix I mean Chris has oversized delts that lead to skinny arms and puny forearms, no lower back development at all, high lat inserts, no calves. Weakness for weakness, chris has more so...
Aesthetic of Arnold is unbeatable...
None can top him, period!
Most beautiful body I've seen
There's multiple classic physique competitors that are more esthetic.
@@Theyoufeelme of course there are many others with beautiful body..
But I don't know man, there's something about Arnold's body...
@@unknwn_usr3077 id say his worst pose is his back double bi. It really shows the weakness in his hamstrings, I mean his calves look bigger than his hammies lmao
Cbum is more aesthetic
Small legs
in my opinion what really completed the classic physique was overall balance and that rawness in their physiques, and the lower back insertions played a key role to complete that look, which is sadly I miss in many top bodybuilders today
Lol you miss the balance of no legs? And yeah muscles insertions were so much better in the 70s where have all the good genes gone...🙃🙄
I agree Arnold's back inserted into his lower waistline....great genetics
@@Dadbod412 There still good genetics in open but it’s different, it’s more if you have a big frame that can support all the mass not necessarily good muscle insertions. Iain Valliere is an example
@@panama1942 I agree actually. I was trying to be facetious to the OP that of all the things in bodybuilders control he picked the one thing they have no control over to say he misses.
@@Dadbod412 I know
There is a difference of many decades, in terms of phsique. It was a physique of 70's and it still inspires millions. Chris Bumstead is the king of Classic Physique of Modern Times.
Arnold is still the king
To bring some perspective to the "Zane best Arnold" argument: he beat him in the 60's when Arnold had no conditioning to show of. Sooo a peak arnold has never been beaten by anyone.
Yup. I think Sergio should have won in 1972 though
Zane never defeated Arnold in the Olympia. And the “wheel” size today makes most bodybuilders look like they have no calves.
True, but Frank Zane beat Arnold Schwarzenegger at the 1968 IFBB Mr. Universe contest. It was probably Arnold's most impactful loss, as narrated in his book The Education of a Bodybuilder.
No they literally have no calves, or forearms
ramy, dexter, lotta pros have garbage calves
For completeness I'd have to go with Chris by a small margin... but The Oak does some real ass kicking in several of the shots.
On like 500 mg of test or some shit lmfao.... Impressive af by Arnold if u ask me
Heck no... Arnold doesn't have noticeable synthol on the side delts and small chest with a long torso like chris
@@stansmith5610 what are u even saying?
@@stansmith5610 cbum doesn’t have synthol... stop repeating like a fucking parrot what others say 🥴
@@supersoldierx40 Tbf, lets not forget Chris has lower fat level, autoimmune disease among other reasons
Arnold’s Christmas tree is the most Christmas tree like back I’ve seen.
You should check out Samir Bannout`s back when he won the Olympia in 1983, probably the greatest back of all time.
Dorian had better
Arnold’s body just looks better and stronger in my opinion.
I must be the only guy who prefers the golden era physiques, where the legs weren't as big but arms and chest bigger.
You're not the only one, it seems like this era they don't care for calves also.
Also less of that color on their bodies + far better posing.
Bumstead is basically Arnold with a smaller waist, better ab genetics, bigger legs, narrower frame, smaller chest, smaller back, and smaller set of arms. Very similar physiques. But Arnold's posing was good enough to make you think he had a small waist while at the same time showing you a chest that would be world-class in 2021.
his back isnt smaller than arnolds, and arnolds posing was no better than chris', chris' posing is very underrated
@@stephencurran2284 I think Bumstead's posing is very good, but look at the twisting back double bicep shot at 4:28 for example. Bumstead is not twisting enough, so you can barely see any of the far-side back. Arnold is hitting it perfectly and you see both sides of his back. And notice that Arnold's waist actually looks smaller in that comparison even though his waist is actually way bigger than Bumstead's. This is the kind of advantage that Arnold would get in posing.
Are you being sarcastic? You just described why there are almost nothing alike.
@@tajiri7 Not at all. Of course they're different, but they're both taller, long-limbed, front-dominant guys.
@@poleag ....in that pose at 4:28, the angle of camera is different, with Chris his closer leg isn’t covering his crotch area the same like Arnold,he is turned farther relative to the camera, so if affects how much of his back you can see, and makes Arnold’s waist look thinner due to the angle. If you kept the same position but rotated their bodies so you couldn’t see Chris’ front of shorts, you would in turn see more of his back like Arnold
Although Arnold’s legs are a bit closer together too, Chris is stepping further out with his far leg
74’ Arnold almost 50 years ago still smashes the living daylights out of lil cbum. Chest , back thickness ,shoulders , biceps , triceps , forearms , calves and abs .
Cbum has quads , back width and conditioning ,That is it.
Arnold the greatest to ever do it
A surprisingly competitive matchup. Take the wheels out and I give it to Arnold.
This is dumb. Bodybuilding is all about judging the entire physique, it’s not about picking and choosing individual body parts you might like better than the other guy or completely disregarding half of a persons body just because you like someone, as you watched a few movies they were in.
tell us you're an Arnie fanboy without actually saying so...
@@dj_m19 legs bigger than those in the golden era are disgusting
@@ernesterz 1. no they're not
2. Tom Platz says hi
@@dj_m19 hahahah as much as we disagree, we can at least agree that arnie fanboys arent educated in bodybuilding
Arnold is why most people over this generation got into bodybuilding! Will people in the future say they get into bodybuilding because of Chris Bumstead? No
Chris would not have looked as good in 1975. they had no hgh back in the days.
Well he is training to match the aesthetic of 1975, he's not using the same amount of drugs to get insanely big as the open division. So its not inconceivable that he would be similar in size to even with limited access to growth hormone.
@@timbrakefield8313 not many guys have been 240 in the 70s even arnold was more like 225 in most olympias. Serge nubret was around 200 pounds. Chris would be much smaller in the 70s and much less hard which would make him look much different
@@andersistbesser The conditioning is where I think there would be a big drop off for sure. Bottom line is we can't compare era's.
@@timbrakefield8313 true. If you watch videos of lou ferigno when he did his comeback you see what happens if an oldschool guy takes what is available now. He looked nothing like his 70s version.
There's a video where he's claiming like 500mg of test a week for what he uses now.
Can we please have a comparison between Ian and Nick at Olympia. Saw them both together on the stage and they both looked absolutely peeled.
@@cimi93x Still trying to get my head around how Hunter placed in front of Nick.
@@cimi93xNick was holding his poses better than Hunter. Hunter wasnt that aesthetic with his washed out abs, they were just plain. & he had some apot in his chest from the tear.
Go look at the video that this page posted comparing the two. Nick is better in more poses. But yeah Politics cause of Labrada Nutrition
Arnold is better. Maybe I just find the old standards better
Problem is Bumstead torso is too long and not aesthetic.
Arnold physique is pleasing to see it's flowing and proportionate.Chris Bumstead would win on overall score however his physique is not pleasing to look at.
Chris's legs look to big compared to his arms, this is not what a classic physique should look like.
Nobody can do front double bicep and 3/4 back pose like Arnold. Don’t even talk about his biceps.
No one beats arnold. Arnolds chest is just PERFECT
It's not a fair comparison, the questions is, how would Chris Bumstead look in 1975 with the gear, training, & nutrition back then? What would Arnold look in 2024 with everything available?
Arnold’s arms alone would of destroyed Bumsted
Overated lmao
If Arnold was around today with the new technology, training methods, and equipment he would most likely be similar to Phil Heath with wider shoulders and better structure overall and ripped to the bone. Remember in 1975 Arnold was 28 and, in 1974 he was around 20lb heavier and ripped, which meant in `74 and `75 he had at least 5 to 10yrs to fully mature. Today`s Olympia champions wouldn`t stand a chance.
Have to agree
They would. And I do mean that.
He was on Test and DBol in his prime. Imagine prime Arnold on Test Tren EQ Deca Anavar and growth hormone😂
Arnolds chest and Bicep peak are unbeatenable
Thing is , its very hard to beat Arnold, even for guys from the future, since his pecs and biceps were genetically unbeatable, which makes him look like a greek god. Of course CB is great, but he looks just muscular, , he did an amazing work, but at the end of the day, Arnold is more impressive
Look at Arnolds legs in comparison to his upper body. Chris is the definition of proportion and symmetry. Arnold opened the door and had the vision, Chris is the result of decades and decades of bodybuilders trying to perfect that vision. We all know Arnold is the goat, but Chris’s physique as whole completely smokes Arnold.
That’s also a picture from 1975 vs the high definition pictures of today. Yes Arnold’s legs were smaller but Arnold can still hold it’s own.
I love Arnold's physique. The most beautiful man on earth.
Back in Arnold’s day there was no clenbuterol, There were no aromatase inhibitors, There were no diuretics, so putting those three together and boom you can get to sub 5% body fat and be striated everywhere. Tbh it’s not impressive what’s impressive is Arnold’s arms, calves, chest and conditioning by just eating cleaner
U did Arnold dirty …1975 wasent Arnold in his prime…come on man
He just want views
He even stopped reading the comments, as his channel started to grew a bit, earlier he used to butt now he just make videos that make people argue in the comments so that he gets more engagement
Arnold Schwarzenegger in 1974 was a good 15 Pounds heavier than in 1975.
He had thicker calves, thighs, and back.
Today's bodybuilders have overdeveloped glutes and hamstrings.
The actual quadriceps muscle isn't better than Arnold had.
No comparison Arnold Mr Olympia class
King Arnold Schwarzenegger
Arnold's insertions are unmatched. His lats go down nearly to his waist! Not even to speak of his chest. He also had exceptionally wide biceps. I'd say the only person who matched him pec-wise was Serge Nubret
If you took Bumstead and just dropped him in 1975 without changing anything else, he'd easily win. Conditioning standards have progressed significantly over the last 45 years. All the other guys on stage would realistically look 5 weeks out compared to him, including Arnold.
Bumstead hás a chiken arms, shoulders and biceps man. You are crazy kkkk
@@PedroHMelo You're clearly blind lol...
@@PedroHMelo Arms and biceps. Whats the point of repeating what is essentially the same thing twice? And should I start with Arnolds imbalances?
@@PedroHMelo Look at Arnolds legs in comparison to his upper body. Chris is the definition of proportion and symmetry. Arnold opened the door and had the vision, Chris is the result of decades and decades of bodybuilders trying to perfect that vision. We all know Arnold is the goat, but Chris’s physique as whole completely smokes Arnold.
You mean mullet....body is Arnold
Bumstead only has better legs. Rest all Arnold
Arnold would get his back blown out and his cookies took
CB shorthead biceps can't compare to Arnold. CB looks great especially his Quads. It's a close call
Compare arnods 74 version and chris bumsteads 2020
Yes
If Arnold have had today's science and supplements back in the 70's, he'd destroy any of today's competition. But the stuff they use today to look ripped is terrible unhealthy. Back when Arnold was active he kept himself pretty much natural off-season and only juiced a month prior to competition. Nowadays they are always on juice all year around.
Arnie all the way
He probably wouldnt have the body he has today
1:15 torn hamstring of Bumsteed
1:52 nothing will fix that bumsted biceps. Hight attachment short head.
2:57 look at hat torn quad of Bumsteed.3:50 diffrent angle to compare biceps.
4:39 nothing will fix that bumsted biceps. Hight attachment short head.
4:50 posing makes a diffrence for lats to pop
Chris obviously wins from bodybuilding criteria, but I still prefer Arnold's physique. That's purely subjective choice from me.
I agree... I understand the basis for the bb criteria, but in a way it blows... I mean, seemingly a bb competition is decided by having dudes turn around and having a look at their glutes. Seriously...???
Na you rookie arnolds chest has never been matched still to this day 🙄
@@donquixote... I think that glutes are being used as a measure of how conditioned a bb is. Having striated gutes is really a peak of conditioning :D
But I agree that as a normal dudes we don't look at bb's asses to decide how good their physiques look
@@thompsongun6482 And? Nobody here said the opposite.
Would you really prefer underdeveloped legs holding an overdeveloped chest and wide waist vs a much more complete a balanced physique like Chris'?
I have a feeling the reason we don’t see that thickness like the golden era anymore is because they used to lift heavy, with more manual movements. Today they do rely a lot on gh and mostly use machines.
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Agreed.
lol thickness. Todays era is more complete.
Not assuming here but seems like you missed something very crucial - Their difference of fat level percentage. Most bber that has to dry out their body to 4-6% they wouldnt look as thick as they would with extra fat and not getting as dry (7-9%). This is a huge factor and this is why weeks leading to the contest guys look huge in IG. So is Dorian 6 weeks out from 1993 O. Lifting heavy may increase (still unproven by research AFAIC) things like muscle maturity. But “with more manual movements” is a stretched argument. To be fair, you did say “I have a feeling” and not something decisive
See Paul Dillett and Roelly Winklaar? Those guys are thicc asf and they use machines. Hell 7x Mr O Phil Heath if he is wider he would have been thick af and we all know Phil hardly ever uses anything other than machines and db for arm and shoulder
GH masw some of their gut thicker tho 😂😂😂
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There are still 40% chances of improvements in Arnold's body with new equipments, if he is competing today. Think how he would have looks like 😍 respect legend.
Chris will take the Time Displacement Capsule, and destroy the 1975 Terminator and make Sky-Net Powerless.
Just can’t compare Arnold and Cbum. Arnold wins everyday of the week apart from legs.
I dont get the criticism of Arnolds legs. They look perfectly fine, they arent overtly developed like todays steroid injected turkey drumsticks.
@E Of course he was on steroids. My point is that his legs are still good.
I agree. If anything this comparison shows that Bumstead´s legs are way overdone. Even the few clear cuts in Arnold´s legs make them look much better. + you can actually walk properly with legs like that (that´s what they are made for ;)
He was solid 6'2 marx! During the heyday..Ric drasin confirmed that when i asked him in his channel back then.
Nope in the Museum of Arnold is a stature of Arnold and next to it there is an old blackboard with some facts about his Height, Weight, waist …
And on that Board stands that he was 184 cm in his peak wich is near 6.1
Arnold in his prime was 1.87 meter. It has been stated several times
@@MeesterJ Look at pictures of him with James Cameron Arnold was an good inch smaller. James Cameron was 6.2 and why should someone say that he is smaller than he really is ?
@@123-g8d3m that was years later after his bodybuilding career..most of golden era BB says the same thing, that arnie was somewhat 6'2 during their reign on the same gym..
Arnold în his prime was between 1.85-186.5 or 6.1 - 6.1.5.Nowdays he struggle with 5.10, 5.11 max. He lost 2 - 3 inches.
For the classical pose - IMO Arnold would have done the Side Bilateral arm/Mantid pose which he patented - in fact, that pose should be retired in his honor - as all others who attempt it - look like puny red-haired stepchildren in comparison.
Do you mean the Mantis pose that Larry Scot used to do before Arnold.
@@angledgaze6203 Yes - but nobody remembers Larry doing it; hence the oak gets the patent, the credit and all the glory that goes with it :).
It is like when Elvis would sing someone's else's song and do it so well you forget who originally sang it.
Diets, equipment, knowledge…silly argument comparing bodies. Arnolds greatness is that he was able to be a physique that has stood as the gold standard for this long. Amazing!
Also wrong physiques to be comparing. Would be cool to see Bob Paris compared to Bumstead.
You need guns, and Arnold had them. Again, why comparing two different eras? If C-Bum had the buns, he would be unbeatable in Mr. Olympia Classic. Arnold remains regardless the one and only.
Can we get Terrence Ruffin vs Frank Zane, Or Derek Lunsford vs Lee priest
Yes Chris is more symmetrical and proportional.
Arnold made history ! In 50 years from now people will be also comparing the then top bodybuilder with Arnold and Chris. Chris will go down in history as one of the greats he is absolutely amazing
The fact that Arnold never tracked his macros is insane!
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Hell no it's Arnold Schwarzenegger all the way, mature quality muscle. The back comparison says it all.
Look at the legs ,glutes , hamstring, chris wins
Look at the arms, back ,chest Arnold wins
Look at the conditioning Chris all the way
So overall chris wins on today's standard
And Chris has smaller waist and better physique
@@Teakani
Chris wouldn't have beaten Arnold in real life. Arnold knew how to win
@@mohammadsufian7890 sorry but that doesn't make much sense to me
@@Teakani
Well, Arnold won competition by his brain and mindset. He knew what he has to do to be a champion and he did just that. In 2021, Arnold physique would be different according 2021 standard but mindset would remain that is, being the best bodybuilder on the stage so he will build body, posing routine and presentation based on that
I really wonder what judges from the seventies would have made of this matchup?
Nope, they wouldn't have wanted ripped glutes, of bigg legs
The priority in the Physique eas much different from now
Another win for Arnold.
I think they and the crowd would be disgusted at the sight of Cbum for having that level of conditioning, vascularity, and heavier tanning. However, I think most if not all of them know deep down this is impressive, freaky, another level never thought of possible from a human before.
Just like average person seeing modern day open bodybuilders I would say.
Aah he does lack biceps of Arnold and crisp super aesthetics of Zane
I would like to see a Serge nubret versus Chris Bumstead
I have to agree with your judging Mark, but I also have to agree with Big King Ronnie Coleman who said that Arnold with modern "technology" 💉 would make everyone look like small child 😎
This. 100%.
Same thing with Sergio Oliva Sr
Ruhl with good triceps vs Dillett (without his posing and breathing problem) vs modern Schwarzenegger vs modern Oliva wouldve been insane
Cbum wins in legs, vacuum and back. Arnold wins in chest and arms.
Wait so since Chris is leaning back on the back double, you bring up another shot where he's standing straight? But when dudes aren't even spreading in the back lat spread, you give the guy that is spreading the win without looking at any other pictures... Why is that?
yeah
You should lean back on the back shots. Bodybuilding is about posing, not who measures biggest via tape measure
Cbum is modern, the best modern. But Arnold is holy eternal.
My 8 year old calls it for Arnold. My wife thinks they are both gross and thinks I'm crazy for paying attention. So yeah, def Bumstead for the overall win.
Arnold chest and bicep pick where unmatchable
Arnold would beat Bumstead, make Labrada vs Bonac and Walliere.
Terrence 2021 vs Terrence 2020 Mr olympia both versions
Imagine arnold in color, he would look way worse in terms of condition.
Ramon Dino vs Urs (Mr. Olympia 2021 obviously)
Ramon dino obviously won that one !!
@@Brenitzcr yeah man, that's why I'm requesting this comparison, cuz I feel that Urs didn't deserve that 4th place, but hey, that's just my opinion.
Huge respect for Cbum.
But Arnold Is GOAT
Arnold is winning the haircut 🤝🏻😅
exactly what i was looking at last 2 days
Well Arnold of 1975 is still kicking ass of 2021 bodybuilders which is amazing
Bumstead's personality is hands down light years ahead of Arnold at the same age. Bumstead is humble and wise beyond his years. Arnold was still acting like a spoiled, womanizing brat well into his 50s. Both super smart and dedicated, but Bumstead is just a great guy. Arnold has definitely chilled out and wizened up from where he was in his early days, though.
Same thing like their physique, we can compare them directly objectively for fun. But if we were to take it relatively, then this can also change. We (in the modern era) has much better education, morals, and much less chaos going around. We have social media and google to learn things from. Arnold was born not far from WW2. Most of them learn by experience the hard way much more I would say. This is probably how , yes, Arnold realized and admitted he was kinda self centered and narcissistic back in 60-80s or perhaps beyond that as well.
Chris is a class act, Arnold is too for admitting that
You know if Chris took the delorien to 1975 he would stop training his legs and blow up to 260lbs. Hed look completely different and approriate for that era
Chris bumstead 2021 O pre vs finals
He hardest part about this comparison is the pictures. Huge difference in quality
Mark come one. Your argument about frank zane beating Arnold is stupid. Frank zane beat Arnold in 68 when Arnold was just a young newbie. Thats completely meaningless. He was nowhere near his prime.
Prime Arnold beat frank zane any day of the week and it wasnt even close.
Back in the 70's, having huge legs wasn't a priority like it is today. If they were, Arnold would definitely have brought them up and won this match up.
What is the difference in weight between these two guys in these two contests?!
Arnold wins every pose, hands down.
@gregdoucette would love your perspective/take on CBum v Arnold ⭕️❤️
That’s fair I personally like Arnold’s physique better just cause his back and chest and arms are so impressive.
Arnold is always best body of all time "BBOAT"
Lets not forget that back in those days Arnold and the guys trained a few months before competition, in the off season they sometimes lost almost all weight and looked rather normal at times. Had arnold trained as CB today, Im pretty sure he would be on another level.
Apparently they did take a couple months off after competition and there are even some pictures of Arnold looking fat lol. But he took time off because leading up to competition he would overtrain the fuck out of his body. Nobody in bodybuilding today trains as hard as they did back then. Idk if one is necessarily better than the other
Dont compare them if arnold has all modern steroids like now days he would be a complete classic physique monster..
Haha they had pretty much all the stuff they have today, back then. (As far as steroids are concerned). There are three major differences tho, and if Arnold had that edge, he would be dominant in todays bb just as well.
50 years ago, whole branch of sport medicine was logically very outdated compared to todays, bb's started using HGH since mid 90's, and there lies the 10kg of extra mass the guy manage to pack on today, and also, Arnold didnt bulk with heavy cicles, back then, they mostly used gear when shredding, to keep as much muscle mass as posible.
Arnold in 2021 would be battling Ramy for the Mr. O, Im sure of it.
Okay well Chris looks much better it's just a fact, but the pictures quality is something to consider. Chris built ontop of what Arnold made, so this isn't a fair comparison
That S.A accent hurt my head 😂
1971 & 1974 Oak would blow Bumstead away. 1975 was a lot closer. Still, structurally they are very different. The Oaks biggest advantages were longer legs (calves blow Bumstead away), barrel like chest & amazing arms & lower lat flare. Chris has pegged the Oak in the abs section & outer quads. I'm just imagining if Arnold competed in the 2021 Classic as he was in 1975 & I think he'd bring the kind of herculean look that would edge out his modern polished rivals. Who in the modern age could beat those bicep peaks & side chest pose?
I think some extra hack squats really would have made the diff with Arnolds overall leg thickness. This could have been a forgone conclusion with the comparison if that was the case.
agreed
Arnold wouldn't have the taper or the conditioning. And while his chest is amazing his SC pose was very imbalanced. Plus he would lose the BDB and A&T to every competitor in the top 3. He would also get beaten by Breon in the FDB. Classic pose can go anyway.
@@samraizshoaib585 His side chest was his no.1 weapon as well as the FDB.
Even todays top Olympia competitors would have problems facing off with him here.
I note that a lot of these comparisons are of Arnold in 1975. We all know he sacrificed a lot of mass due to filming obligations (the director wanted him below 210lb!)
The Arnold of 1971 was incredible. This is where I think most of his most impressive tape measurements were taken.
58" chest/back. 22" arms. 29" thighs. 34" waist. He started working his calves more seriously after his earlier defeats. By 1974 they were an incredible 20".
I've seen pictures of Arnold at the 1971 Olympia next to Serge Nubret & Serge looks tiny.
I reckon the 1975 Serge Nubret would of beaten Chris. Don't forget Arnold had a lot of thickness in his back. Due to his stature he was not going to look as wide in the BDB as a Ronnie or Dorian. Although I think his arms 'looked' more aesthetic in the BDB than Chris or any of the mainstream winners.
Arnold's lats tied in with his external obliques & his lower abbs & upper glutes weren't overdeveloped.
Everything about modern Olympia today is off, sheer mass over class was never the game in the 70's & 80's that's whay those competitors are still remembered.
If Big Ramy trained for aesthetics now imagine what he would look like. He has the genes for it.