So how the hess MIO works is this: say you have a research thats 100 days. The MIO *normally* will take 15 days off that with a 15% rate. With hess that 15 days is now.**20** days thats just on 100 days. Now you may ask why this is possible? This is because Hess acts as a second MIO that takes 15% or a bare minimum of 5% of orginal base value off the MIO research. Whichever is greater. And for every resreach except 400 plus day research his 5% of base activates which is why he outclasses Borman. Borman only lessens pp cost which really isnt that valuable long run, where Hess is **always** either 15% or 5% base valuing all research.
@ESG1 also. remember Hesses 5% thing? Yeah that works for all research base. So on that 100 day focus is now 25 days Discounted with MIOs or 5% plus the 5% research rate you get from him. EDIT: also if youre wondering Hesses effective 10% is WAD and not a bug until PDX takes his 15% MIO away. And even then Hess is atill m9re valuable to you then borman because or his hard 15% funds for all MIOS EDIT 2: As another poster pointed out hess also effectivly doubles all mio research rates on top of this. This is why he dances over borman
@@ESG1 Lets say we have 1938 techs and my research speed is : 1+0,12 computing + 0,1 free trade + 0,05 recovering eco + 0,05 base MIO = 1.32 so 100 day research is done in 100/1.32 = 75 days. Now add Hess = 1,32 + 0,15 = 1,47 so 100/1.47 = 68 days. Bonus gets better if you have less base research speed. You get 1,22 with autarky route 100/1.22= 82 days, with Hess 100/1.37 = 73.
You misunderstood Hess, He gives 15% research bonus. Not 15% more, 15% straight research bonus when using MIOs. More than Free Trade. So extremely strong in my opinion.
Normal MIO give a Base of 5% or 10% Research Bonus. With Hess, these Same MIOs give 20% or 25% Research Bonus. So in the Example you showed, Messerschmidt goes from 5% to 20% Research Bonus saving you way more than only 17 Days.
I like Hess more. Cheaper advisors from Bormann are nice, but you get to a point where you have full a.. of PP and nothing to spend it on while +15% funds MIO bonus from Hess keeps pumping you more and more mio bonuses. Some designers have some sick if you stack them up.
I am a big fan of: Todt>Hess>Gerbils You get PP from so many focus' as Germany you don't need the reductions. Assuming you are playing MP, you are going to be hard researching a lot and the MIO research bonus is big.
A commentor wrote that ahead of time bonus for Hess of research greator than 400 days is only 5%. But it would help with the shorter research. Another commentor suggested doubling up on Hess and Borman.
Dont forget that MIO eats PP while researching, so if you use MIO with Hess you will pay less PP. I always take Hess, i can rush better EQ faster, give my troops bonuses earlier. If you take economic grow instead autarky you will need much less pp. My route is Hess, Todt, Gebels.
I think the research bonus from Hess is very strong. I never find myself lacking in pp because of moustache man's trait which grants more political power. I think it's obviously context sensitive but I think hess is actually the stronger pick in most cases. I've gone Bormann a few times for the larp tho
I usually grab the army guy early because I want that MXP for adjusting templates. Another thing you want to consider is whether you want to replace the Austrian Painter. Both Hess and Bormann are good replacements as their traits are better. Of course this leaves an empty seat. If you chose Bormann, Hess would have taken his flight and can no longer be chosen unless you somehow do it before going to war with the Allies and make him complete that focus which takes 210 days or so, and if you choose to fill that empty seat with any of the remaining candidates, your PP gain can potentially suffer hard. If you chose Hess however, you can choose Bormann now and gain more PP.
If the bonusses are cumulative, then Heß gets 0.2 pp per day more than Bormann until the third focus with the 15% increase is completed. After that, Bormann gets 0.23 pp per day (0.2 * 1.15) and Heß gets 0.46 (0.4 * 1.15), so Heß then nets you 0.23 more per day. Also: You will research throughout the game with MIOs and in case you're not taking Blitzkrieg but Superior Firepower or Grand Battle Plan as a doctrine, you're going to save a little less with Bormann, since you'd probably take the 150 pp air theorist. I personally go Todt > Heß > Himmler, but I'm nowhere near a pro. Last note: You'll spend pp later in the game for the Reichskommissariats and maybe the partition of Yugoslawia, so I think Heß is the better choice than Bormann.
I made a mistake Both Hess and Bormann change to .2 PP per day after they get Total Control Over Domestic Affairs. You get a massive PP bonus for Borman.
Hess is better in the longrun borman is better in the short... Borman lets you buys advisors-army chiefs etc cheaper fasater and hess gives you more pp and MIO bonuses that are broken in the long term
Overall Hess gives the better buffs. More PP and the MIO is quite good for research. The reduced advisor cost with Bohrmann is pointless imo, as it only applies to early game, and because you get so much PP as Germany anyway. I have yet to encounter a situation as Germany where I would have needed more PP.
I calculated that it took around 4 years for Hess to catch up to Bormann in PP if you use the build I used in the video. You can use the PP to hand out medals to your divisions, war bonds, change your advisors as well as many other PP syncs. The MIO research is good, about 20 to 70 days per research that you apply an MIO to, depending on the ahead of time penalty and any research bonuses. The Hess research bonus only applies to research that you haven't already started and applied an MIO to. I haven't completely tested it but I assume you would want to start researching tech without the MIO and then apply them in the middle of research to apply the Hess bonus. You would do this just before Hess gets his research bonus. May be a bug but there is no change in research progress after Hess achieves his bonus to existing research.
I haven't done a playthrough yet, but historically you will lose Hess & Todt and I assume this is reflected in the game as well. Something to keep note of.
At this point it looks to me like you could go Hess, Todt, Goebels, Bormann (lose hess but keep the PP and research bonus), then Todt turns into Goerring. So Paradox kept the historical route as a good option.
So how the hess MIO works is this: say you have a research thats 100 days. The MIO *normally* will take 15 days off that with a 15% rate. With hess that 15 days is now.**20** days thats just on 100 days. Now you may ask why this is possible? This is because Hess acts as a second MIO that takes 15% or a bare minimum of 5% of orginal base value off the MIO research. Whichever is greater. And for every resreach except 400 plus day research his 5% of base activates which is why he outclasses Borman. Borman only lessens pp cost which really isnt that valuable long run, where Hess is **always** either 15% or 5% base valuing all research.
Thanks for the answer, much appreciated.
@ESG1 also. remember Hesses 5% thing? Yeah that works for all research base. So on that 100 day focus is now 25 days Discounted with MIOs or 5% plus the 5% research rate you get from him.
EDIT: also if youre wondering Hesses effective 10% is WAD and not a bug until PDX takes his 15% MIO away. And even then Hess is atill m9re valuable to you then borman because or his hard 15% funds for all MIOS
EDIT 2: As another poster pointed out hess also effectivly doubles all mio research rates on top of this. This is why he dances over borman
@@ESG1 Lets say we have 1938 techs and my research speed is : 1+0,12 computing + 0,1 free trade + 0,05 recovering eco + 0,05 base MIO = 1.32 so 100 day research is done in 100/1.32 = 75 days. Now add Hess = 1,32 + 0,15 = 1,47 so 100/1.47 = 68 days. Bonus gets better if you have less base research speed. You get 1,22 with autarky route 100/1.22= 82 days, with Hess 100/1.37 = 73.
@@JosephTobin1 hess is only good in short games tho, long run his buff is useless
You misunderstood Hess, He gives 15% research bonus. Not 15% more, 15% straight research bonus when using MIOs. More than Free Trade. So extremely strong in my opinion.
Normal MIO give a Base of 5% or 10% Research Bonus. With Hess, these Same MIOs give 20% or 25% Research Bonus. So in the Example you showed, Messerschmidt goes from 5% to 20% Research Bonus saving you way more than only 17 Days.
And you MIOs gets much faster really good! So you make better ships, planes, guns etc…
So yeah. Hess is really strong!
@@RobinMeineke bonus is strong but the more research speed you have the less effective additional bonus is.
I like Hess more. Cheaper advisors from Bormann are nice, but you get to a point where you have full a.. of PP and nothing to spend it on while +15% funds MIO bonus from Hess keeps pumping you more and more mio bonuses. Some designers have some sick if you stack them up.
I am a big fan of:
Todt>Hess>Gerbils
You get PP from so many focus' as Germany you don't need the reductions. Assuming you are playing MP, you are going to be hard researching a lot and the MIO research bonus is big.
A commentor wrote that ahead of time bonus for Hess of research greator than 400 days is only 5%. But it would help with the shorter research. Another commentor suggested doubling up on Hess and Borman.
Dont forget that MIO eats PP while researching, so if you use MIO with Hess you will pay less PP. I always take Hess, i can rush better EQ faster, give my troops bonuses earlier. If you take economic grow instead autarky you will need much less pp. My route is Hess, Todt, Gebels.
I think the research bonus from Hess is very strong. I never find myself lacking in pp because of moustache man's trait which grants more political power. I think it's obviously context sensitive but I think hess is actually the stronger pick in most cases. I've gone Bormann a few times for the larp tho
I think I’m going to go both in one run. Hess transitioning into Bormann.
I usually grab the army guy early because I want that MXP for adjusting templates.
Another thing you want to consider is whether you want to replace the Austrian Painter. Both Hess and Bormann are good replacements as their traits are better. Of course this leaves an empty seat. If you chose Bormann, Hess would have taken his flight and can no longer be chosen unless you somehow do it before going to war with the Allies and make him complete that focus which takes 210 days or so, and if you choose to fill that empty seat with any of the remaining candidates, your PP gain can potentially suffer hard. If you chose Hess however, you can choose Bormann now and gain more PP.
Thanks for the comment. You are right the potential to take both is incredibly intriguing.
Love the details that you put into
Make vids like these plz thanks 🙏🏻
If the bonusses are cumulative, then Heß gets 0.2 pp per day more than Bormann until the third focus with the 15% increase is completed. After that, Bormann gets 0.23 pp per day (0.2 * 1.15) and Heß gets 0.46 (0.4 * 1.15), so Heß then nets you 0.23 more per day. Also: You will research throughout the game with MIOs and in case you're not taking Blitzkrieg but Superior Firepower or Grand Battle Plan as a doctrine, you're going to save a little less with Bormann, since you'd probably take the 150 pp air theorist. I personally go Todt > Heß > Himmler, but I'm nowhere near a pro. Last note: You'll spend pp later in the game for the Reichskommissariats and maybe the partition of Yugoslawia, so I think Heß is the better choice than Bormann.
I made a mistake Both Hess and Bormann change to .2 PP per day after they get Total Control Over Domestic Affairs. You get a massive PP bonus for Borman.
that's what I like to see, thanks
Thanks mate. I can see Hess-Bormann being debatable, but so far I have not seen anybody anytime pick Himmler. He seems to pretty much suck. MMM
Yeah, you already get a bunch of spys so I don't see the point.
Hess is better in the longrun borman is better in the short... Borman lets you buys advisors-army chiefs etc cheaper fasater and hess gives you more pp and MIO bonuses that are broken in the long term
Overall Hess gives the better buffs. More PP and the MIO is quite good for research.
The reduced advisor cost with Bohrmann is pointless imo, as it only applies to early game, and because you get so much PP as Germany anyway.
I have yet to encounter a situation as Germany where I would have needed more PP.
I calculated that it took around 4 years for Hess to catch up to Bormann in PP if you use the build I used in the video. You can use the PP to hand out medals to your divisions, war bonds, change your advisors as well as many other PP syncs.
The MIO research is good, about 20 to 70 days per research that you apply an MIO to, depending on the ahead of time penalty and any research bonuses. The Hess research bonus only applies to research that you haven't already started and applied an MIO to. I haven't completely tested it but I assume you would want to start researching tech without the MIO and then apply them in the middle of research to apply the Hess bonus. You would do this just before Hess gets his research bonus. May be a bug but there is no change in research progress after Hess achieves his bonus to existing research.
Hess
Lol! I knew what u would say.
not having the DLC,s imo hess is the best
You get this focus tree without the DLC. Check it out, it's super fun.
I haven't done a playthrough yet, but historically you will lose Hess & Todt and I assume this is reflected in the game as well. Something to keep note of.
At this point it looks to me like you could go Hess, Todt, Goebels, Bormann (lose hess but keep the PP and research bonus), then Todt turns into Goerring. So Paradox kept the historical route as a good option.
You dont loose Hess if you pick him as 1st or 2nd... He then has time to complete his last focus which makes him NOT to flyaway
@@horrigan495 Ah...gotcha