End of the world episode….a real tough one you took on ! Not easy to define, or better yet, very tough to define, to survive ! Thanks….I enjoy your vids 👍🏻
You're right Red Sky - at last there will only be home made black powder and match lock or match ignition; maybe some flints...smooth bore or rifled - one will still have a chance.
By the time you need to make your own homemade smooth bore rifle with black powder....I feel like learning how to use traps for animals/learning the bow and arrow might be beneficial...just saying....
It's Amazing to Me that the Last, End All firearm is the First Gun I ever Bought.......A Pump action Shotgun. I wanted a Do Everything Hunting Gun when I started Hunting. To be honest mine was an Ithaca model 37 Featherweight, I put it along side the Rem 870, in fact I now have Both!
For those that say you need a smooth bore flint lock musket......learn how to build traps and use a bow and arrow.... I agree with this Video....AR/shotty for short term, Shotty/BoltAction for long term, and bow and arrow for when the World starts over...
@@tubeguy4066 Could you do me a favor and go out to Germany and try to find 8mm Mauser rounds laying in the ground? Has to be from WW2. And WW2 was less than 100 years ago...also can't be rusted over and the powder still has to work... ...8mm is still around...but mostly the newly manufactured ones. The ones that are from WW2 is rare. Without a fresh supply of manufactured ammo...you can't defend yourself....much less a family or a village. ...with that being said...with a few more years of wisdom on this comment...I would just hire some chemist and metal workers and buy a few high quality smelt and hand ammo reloader kits...and I can make my own ammo for as long as we can still melt metal...make gunpowder from scratch...and reload ourselves...and use teamwork instead of trying to trap/bow&arrow everything yourself. Although those skills would still be nice to have after the world goes dark...
Civilization as we know ends, the SHTF. 1. Shotgun, Remminington 870. 2. Ruger 10/22 3 AR 15, 556 4. Remington 700 bolt gun 5. Hand gun Buy weapons based on reliability, common, parts availability, accuracy, ammo. Your life may depend on bartering for parts or ammp, a case of toilet paper, a bottle of Windsor or a case of food.
1-3 agreed. 4 I already have a Mauser 98 so I'd start with that and pick up the Remington along the way as parts are probably (italicized) easier to acquire.
I think people would benefit if ahead of time they would think out what are the most needed spare parts for their most important guns - sometimes the parts are cheaper than you'd think if you shop around. Extra springs, an extra firing pin or two, a couple extra extractors - just a few bucks may double the expected life of a gun for very few $ up front. I've done this for one of my guns for under $30. Some guns have really inexpensive parts. The extra parts can be kept inside in the stock. An internet search can help determine what parts are most likely to wear out first for a particular gun.
I have an 870 12ga Shotgun, security model with shorter barrel. I have to add that in 2021 you cannot find Remington 870 parts anywhere. I saw an ejector spring sell for $138 on eBay two weeks ago. Remington went belly up and now owned by someone else twice over .... I'm hopeful they manufacture some parts soon. I have "a gun smith guy" we know that comes up with parts and said he would make me a new ejector spring, he is local so I'm fortunate but the internet is dry.
Like you mentioned at the end, let's hope these scenarios are never anything we have to encounter. A subject I was surprised too see covered on the channel but you did a great job and brought YOUR prospective so I very much appreciate that. It was cool to see black gun on your channel, and I should have expected it to be a collectible one! (Duh!)
Hey, comments on an old video, maybe I have seen it before, but thanks for video. Ok, maybe I have watched madmax movies but in the end it will be what you have ammo for. 12ga field loads are effective at close range. Personally 22lr works, don't want an old squirrel hunter shooting at you, seen lots of hogs and cows dispatched with a 22lr. Lots of that ammo stashed away. Story for you, guy used to come to farm and butcher beef, shot it with 22, skinned it, put in truck and took it to process. One cow got out of his range, dad had to go get the Springfield, hamburger and tee bones then. 22lr works most of the time. Another story from my youth. Squirrels were running too fast for me and dad so we got out the shotguns, dad had the 12 and I the 410, anyway, Ma bit into some shot and told us if it can't be shot with a 22 don't shoot it. But she did let us use bigger rifles on deer.
There was a British film called "Threads", it was made in 1984 and was about the aftermath of a nuclear attack on a city in the UK, believed to be based on Sheffield. Clips and segments are available on here. It used any statistical data available at the time and was supposed to be reasonably accurate. It portrayed what day to day life would be like when law and order were gone completely, and had little chance of coming back. It was scary, and some sort of personal protection firearm would be extremely wise.
I would ad a good 22 lr rifle to the list. you can hunt with it , defend yourself with it. And the main thing you can have thousands of rounds of ammo.If you have to go on the run, you could take a lot of ammo with you. A few hundred rounds of 30.06 can get heavy hauling it around with you.
Cody: You SPRAY a drugged up ass down with .22 cal. rounds head to toe.....A .22 cal. round in an NFL linebacker has that SOB changing his mind RAPIDLY! And, a Mountain Lion won't take a .22 cal. round: Guys I work with in Washington State take them out with .22s every hunt......a bear, well that is another story.
.22s are deadly past a mile, and shot placement beats drugs, mental state or species. The loss of velocity depends completely on chamber pressure, which barrel length and cartridge can mitigate effectively. Say what you will about them, .22s are the most abundant and utilized firearms the world over for more than 100 years and running.
Ability to store and carry a LOT of ammo is a big plus, and a bolt-action .22 is going to keep shooting for a long, long time. In addition to being much more "useful" than many people might think, another advantage is the "low profile", both visually and acoustically...no need to advertise that you are around, and armed, to everyone within 5-10 km/miles. They also do not alarm game, so that you can shoot something at point x, and another animal can still be found, just a few hundred meters/yards away. I've seen that a good ,22 can give you excellent shot placement out to, say, 200 m/yes. Just thinking...
9:37 - When you talked about the distance regarding citizen involved shootings, Paul Harrell immediately popped into my head; "The FBI has been telling us for decades that the mean average distance of a lethal confrontation is 7 yards." For anyone interested in details, have a look at his "Gun Fight Statistics" video. It's really interesting.
As a member of Front Sight PaRump Nevada gun club , they informed us that the distance has been up dated to 30ft , a young person in decent shape can have his knife into you , before you can draw & fire , if he is closer than 30ft
@@robertmintz63 that was the old 21 foot rule. A person in decent shape can cover that distance faster than most people can see the threat, recognize the threat, has determined the threat to need lethal force, decides to use lethal force, draw snd engage the threat.
@@ms.annthrope415 I concur with that , however , that does not change what I said. That is why we must be aware of our surroundings ! Not to be in a condition of white , which is a obliviousness of what others are doing , but rather to be in condition -yellow - checking what people are dong around you , or RED -someone following you or paying to much attention to you , to which you change direction & if necessary toward someone you feel could help you !
@@ms.annthrope415Yet, it's incredibly unlikely that a knife attack will be immediately lethal..In other words it will turn into a struggle, with proper training you can still be able to draw distance and fire upon the threat..Treating the knife wounds afterwards would be a different story though..
Love the Mauser 98, probably in 308 or 3006. Don't have one, I have a Tikka t3x. That's also a solid gun, super common particularly in Europe. The 870 is great as well, love mine.
USOG would a Winchester mod 70 pre 64 be good? It's a Mauser action, in 3006, it's a pretty good deal for only 650. There are some cosmetic dings. I'm thinking about buying it plus it will likely appreciate in value
A sobering and timely subject, which you thoughtfully present. There's a lot here to ponder. I suppose I would be among the first to succumb. Don't think I'd want to be at the point of having to kill someone to get something to eat. It would be a world where I wouldn't want to be.
This question has, rather unfortunately, been answered by post war history. Many civil war affected areas in Central / West Africa have had conditions very similar to the dystopic picture you considered and the weapon that is used everywhere is the AK in 7.62X39. In fact anywhere outside the U.S and Western Europe if you had to have a weapon for which you can find/ cannibalize parts and find ammunition, it is undoubtedly the AK which has spread in millions across the globe. The number of Aks used in every unofficial/ civil war/ insurgency actually shows how easy is it for a civilian population without proper logistical support to maintain and deploy AKs. If the end of civilization were looming, one could do worse than having an AK and a Toyota pickup. I think the Mauser 98 would have been the right choice till before the Second World War. The Mauser was the service rifle in so many parts of the world that it probably had the same stature as the AK does today.
Fantastic comment. Thanks for taking the time. I had my AK on the table, then put it away as I felt around year 25 or earlier most won't work and ammo will be a problem. Part swapping only goes so far as the pool of AKs will be constantly shrinking. I like your case and experience though. I could be wrong.
Thank you for the very useful information. Being completely un educated in firearms I tried to answer the same question and chose a ruger 10 22 and a mossberg maverick 12 gauge. I have since learned the maverick has a fatal flaw if it is dropped or damaged through hard use. I would like to buy a hand gun and was thinking of a semi auto 22. Probably a ruger.
Anything in the ruger Mark series is accurate and reliable. The older ones have a trick to taking down and putting together but learn it and you can find some great deals. Remember you needs magazines or they don’t work efficiently. The MK 3 and Mk4 won’t fire without a magazine in. Not a feature I’m fond of.
I thought about the apocalyptic scenario for along time and decided that since I had the Dakota colt pistol .45 Colt with ammo it would be best to get a lever M92 in 45 colt along with two other rugers a Vaquero and a Blackhawk also in 45. I have a hand reloader as well as a turret reloader for 45 Colt with good amount of Unique. I have plenty of hardcast bullets, casings, large pistol primers and live ammo. One reason I have 1873 Colt and the clones with the Rossi lever is they all shoot the same ammo. The other thing is that's what I shoot and I can actually hit what I want with these old style weapons. I not good with a 1911 it just doesn't feel right in my grip especially the recoil is always wobbly in my hand. I have a little Stoeger coach gun with enough turkey loads. Four guns that shoot the same bullets then a double barrel 12G shotgun in my opinion will have to do cause that's all I have. If I needed more bullets I could get the lead car weights and melt them down. Worst comes to worst make a tumbler and find the black power ingredients. I hope all Hell doesn't break loose, I'm to old..!
Great video today, the practical things you brought are very important with regards to parts wearing out over time. Lets just hope the scenario never comes true. Thanks again
In a “end of the world” situation the most valuable thing is organising your neighbourhood. In times of chaos there is power in (well armed) numbers. Of course, in order to even being able to organise you have to know and trust your neighbours. So next time you see your neighbour, have a friendly chat...good neighbours are more important than far away friends.
I think you hit the nail on the head it could not have been deciphered better. The simplest is the best, a mechanical shotgun for accuracy's in close quarters and a bolt action for keeping the enemy at a distance and acquiring food. I also have semi auto mag fed shotgun and rifles. I really like the molot vepr 12 it is excellent with v6 muzzle break for keeping on track with accuracy.
Good video and good advice. I think I'm going with my Marlin 44 magnum because it holds 10 shots in the magazine and has iron sights. Scopes sometimes fail ! Also my Mossberg 500 12 gauge. I agree that I hope it don't come to that, but like my ol dad always said "It's better to have and not need than to need and not have"
I happen to have thought about this scenario a few times myself. Since I'm retired military, I know a little about firearms, hunting, and self defense. And as somewhat of a gun collector/rec shooter/hunter, I have more than a few to choose from and plenty of ammo for all. Of course I'm not staying in the city/high population area as that is more hazardous and runs out of resources quickly. Since I would be planning to survive as long as possible, I agree a quality 12 gauge(870 or mod 12), a good bolt action rifle with a Mauser action(Winchester etc.) in a nice common caliber like .308 or 30-06, a .22 bolt action for hunting etc., and a reliable 9mm pistol(sorry not a Glock fan but I do have Beretta & CZ), as well as my trusty 1911 in .45. Since I'm hauling a selection of firearms and ammo on a permanent relocation, I would definitely take along a quality AR in 5.56, again thinking of easy ammo available(.223 or 5.56) and it would add to the home defense category in case of intruders. My family are all reasonably familiar with firearms and joke that in case of a SHTF scenario, they're meeting up at my place since I have enough firearms and ammo for everyone. Doubt this will happen in my lifetime, thankfully, but better prepared than joining 50% + who will be sheep to the slaughter!
Balanced and reasonable comments - you covered the possibility in the best possible way. From my channel I've learned that many people consider the possibility of something really bad happening; and have planned accordingly. Others say nothing will ever go wrong. I'm not sure what the future holds but Rome fell.
Welcome to 2020 Pollyannas. Riots, fires and mudslides, sushi in the mall just as Jimmy Buffett predicted. (He missed the bad mexican beer flu.) Hope you have a little something put back we are in for a wild ride.
Thank you for the video, it's a topic I've been thinking about a lot. I agree with your choices. I would also think about having a smaller pistol on me, because of the ability to conceal it. And a small little 22 bolt action with thousands of rounds at home would be a good idea as well. But there is no ideal gun for a scenario like this. I once read something that more people should realise, a guy with lots of gear, an expensive AR15 and lots of training will probably be killed by a guy with grandpa's old 270 bolt action rifle. Thank you for adressing the topic, stay safe! Greetings from Germany
Hello Rapha! Thank you for writing. Your idea of the .22 is excellent - could create years of survival. As I said in the video - the hardest part will be to survive the first days and weeks - if it happens - it will be bad; especially densely populated places. My military friends used to tell me the authorities expect attrition rates of 90% or higher in urban areas - no idea where these studies are now or if anyone even thinks about this. Anyway, if things go wrong - who has a gun will make a very, very big difference. My grandpa fought on the Eastern front.
Yes, it definitely does! Especially in countries where not everyone can own a gun having a gun is a big advantage. Oh, so you have german relatives? My grandpa also fought on the Eastern front, on the Finnish-Sowjet front. By the way I really like your videos, you have a great way of presenting things! Thank you for doing this
Great Video! As an "Apocolypse Rifle," I completely agree regarding a bolt action. My "98" Mauser is actually an FN copy with a J.C. Higgins moniker. It was once a 30/06 but it had been abused to the point that correcting the corrosion pitting inside the barrel was not possible so a new barrel was installed. Now it is a 6.5x55 SE which in my opinion is superior to the venerable "06." Much milder recoil was my goal and it is incredibly accurate out to ranges beyond my skill set. I do have 2 CZ 527 Carbines. One is a 7.62x39. The other is a 6.5 Grendel. Either would make great "End of Civilization" weapons along with my 870 Wingmaster. I have several different barrels for the Remington. I have collected enough brass/primers/bullets/smokeless powder to reload over 10,000 round of ammo. I never buy ammo. I buy bullets and brass. I would like to have another bolt action "mini-Mauser" such as a CZ 527 Carbine chambered in 300 HAM'R. Acquiring several thousand rounds of once fired Lake City 5.56x45 brass is easy and cheap. Pressure forming annealed brass isn't a common skill but I have been reloading my own ammo for close to 60 years. For versatility my ultimate choice for an "Apocalypse Rifle" would definitely be the CZ 527 6.5 Grendel. Compact powerful that can also reach out to at least 800 meters and "touch" an adversary or the rapidly disappearing wild game. Something rarely addressed is the belief by many that they will go "hide in the woods" and survive by hunting whitetail deer etc. That won't be possible after the first month. My "farm" can become mobile if necessary. I will defend my food source livestock vigorously. All is compact and can ride in my mule drawn wagon. I am fully prepared for the dissolution of civilization. I have been slowly and carefully preparing for literally decades. Not a paranoid conspiracy theorist but rather an observant student of history. I often point out to "preppers" that using a firearm to harvest game reveals your position. Personally I also have several hunting bows and plenty of arrows for both virtually silent hunting and silent home defense. I am a very proficient archer. Still I carry my CZ 527 Carbine 7.62x39 whenever I am away from the house. I do not have use for a handgun so the compact CZ is perfect. I plan to find one in .22 Hornet too.
Interesting and thoughtful - thank you for writing. Based on the feedback I've received over time it seems that many people expect and are prepared for a collapse of some kind. Of course, you are correct : history teaches us that civilization and/or some kind of order, is an exception. After Rome fell, the world entered a period of disarray that included the Dark Ages; many say it took well over a thousand years for some kind of order to return. Anyway, people are getting ready and many ARE ready - and anticipate a total collapse and human conflict spreading and overwhelming all other issues. I guess we'll have to see - and it never hurts to be prepared. If one is armed, one has a chance.
I am not an expert but I have heard on several occasions that the shot gun is easier to reload without specialized equipment, that might also be a consideration.
pseudopetrus it’s super easy and all you need is some components, a nail and a hammer like object and some chunks of wood. Not the best but very possible.
The mossberg 590 was the only one the marines tested to take 1000 rounds of military buck shot. A model 70 Winchester or model 94 is unlikely to wear out as well.
I have given this end of the world scenario quite a bit of thought. It will not always be a tactical in your face gun fight. All military forts in 1870's had 1500 rounds on hand for battle. Modern Winchester lever action in smokeless .45LC pistol calibers will still shoot black powder using the same casings and the idea is to have a few or more 1873 Colt 6 shooter clones in the same caliber. Some handloading equipment a few pounds of powder and plenty of lead cast bullets & casings plus primers. The pioneers came across this country using these weapons fought off indians, Bears, took game and survived quite well. Nowadays you can always find car weights to smelt down for casting bullets. One could make a tumblr for making black powder if you know the ingredients. My other choice would be .177 pellet air rifle with 10,000 pellets for hunting birds like dove or Quail and a little double barrel coach gun for Pheasants, Turkeys, Sagehens and Duck. The one thing to remember is stay the hell away from people by staying out of sight.
Interesting Alex. From what I read - some of them are ready and have given this a lot more thought than I have - things will likely happen in waves; and after things thin out - the long haul to whatever the next version of our civilization/species is ...will take patience, courage and volume. I'm quoting people who wrote me. I like the pellet idea.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I do agree with you semi automatics always fail. The only thing that fails on an 1873 Colt .45 is the flat spring in the handel and on the levers it's usually the extractor. Both can be made with a hacksaw and a file.
Good video. The mauser 98k, didn't it freeze up in the winter conditions of the russian front/Stalingrad where the mosin kept going, or is that a myth ? That aside, a lever action in a potent calibre like .44 mag or .454 could make sense, or a combination gun. But i think you are correct though, the humble shotgun takes some beating in a situation like this.
The lubricant froze, then they cleaned all the lube off and ran the rifles dry in the cold. Same thing happened to the M1 Garand at the Battle of the Bulge.
in our country we prefer the Mauser action because it allways work in freezing conditions and if it rains and it starts too freeze,rain,mud snow it works. By the way,i am from Norway.
I totally agree with him: simple, reliable firearms are the best to own. I would suggest one of the old Savage over/under combo rifles where the top barrel is chambered for 223, 30-30, or 308 and the bottom barrel is chambered for 12 gauge. Yes, they're single shot weapons, but in an end-of-the-world situation, you want to fire as few rounds as possible since eventually you'll run out of ammunition and you'll wind up with a crossbow, a baseball bat, and a large knife--and maybe a slingshot with very strong rubber tubes.
I'll just throw this out there. Whatever gun you have as a main defense weapon, have a second one untouched with which to cannibalize. Then you can probably go a long way with a break-away shotgun, single shot bolt action 22, and a revolver for when you have to leave the rifle behind. Then don't tell anyone that you have a 2m/440, HF, CB, with shortwave receiver and find where the help/food is.
One thing I will point out about the AR vs shotgun is that 223/5.56 is a very light recoiling round while the 12 ga is not. When giving a rifle to a smaller statured person it is much better to give them a gun that they are comfortable with. 12 ga is very versatile which makes it a good option for an "End of the World" scenario. I personally would replace the AR with an AK just because of the simplicity.
Most people would probably be surprised how fast one starves. The majority of people would wither at home in bed with no energy to save themselves, the young strong people would waste their time fighting in the streets for the last remnants of food found in stores. Many people live decent lives to day with the help of modern health care. That part of the population will be out of the game very quickly. Then we have all the city people who have no room for storing food. Anyone who have starved in real life knows how useless one becomes without food, even after a few days, understand that they too will be out of the game very quickly. So my recommendation is don´t bother keeping special guns for survival. Just look forward to all the new guns you can collect for free if the SHTF! (unless you´re someone else dinner)
Such an excellent comment. I have never starved - but I know what you mean. We weaken and die quickly. I do believe that people writing me are correct - we live on a razors edge of civilization and order; perhaps more tenuous than is apparent. The further society and individuals move away from individual skills and knowledge of how to function in an uncivilized world, the more difficult is is to survive the natural world.
As we found out earlier this year the average store only has about 3 days worth of supplies. They say we are looking at the second wave of the beer flu. (Can’t say the c word or the web crawlers take down the comment.). Stay safe and healthy all.
I agree Don - and thousands of others as well. Toss most guns in a fire for a bit and that is the end. The Mauser and 870 usually keep working - even if they need some new wood or repairs...not that it is a good idea to test that - but in an "end of world" scenario such things might happen.
I'm a perfectionist! Plastic weapons are overpriced! Quality is hard to find. I love shotguns especially semi auto's but they will misfire for various reasons. Benelli's and Browning way overpriced but are quality weapons by today's standards in my opinion. I am looking for a decent Mauser for a reasonable price after your class on survival weapons. You are an extremely knowledgeable gun expert. Wish me luck. Don
My choice would probably be, a good bolt action in 308/30-06.(Never thought about the mauser, that's smart thinking.) A double barrel shotgun, and I got one of them lil survival .22s that fold up into a back pack. Great lil rifles. I'd honestly want to take all my firearms and just load my safes onto my truck. :)
The most important thing will be friends that have prepared also. You can't be awake for 24/7. Most military bolt guns will run 50,000+ rnds. But at the start you will need 2000/3000 rounds on hand for each gun you choose to have and the ability to reload as much. A good semiautomatic rifle and shotgun for the begining, a bolt gun and a good pump gun for later. But the little .22 will be needed also for game. A bow, a crossbow good to have. A community will survive, the lone wolf will perish.
My Remington 7615 is my pick, it's not a semiauto but it's quick and in stressful situations autos and semiautos tend to become hoses, thereby wasting ammo. Designed for .223 or 5.56 and takes stanag mags. Or maybe my Ruger Gunsite scout in 308. I think that those two calibres have the advantage of still being military issue worldwide. Shotguns are great and availability of ammo is an advantage but if you needed to bug out with just a pack how many shot shells could or would you carry. At the end of the day this is analogous to the old "what's the best survival knife?" question. The one you've got.
Oh my. Im sick and forced to stay in bed but have the priviledge to watch your video as the first one. Post watch: In my opinion a musket (yes make it easy and name a whole field, ok a springfield) might also be workable. Making gunpowder components are simpler to come by and make than NC. Moulds dont really wear out that much.
I agree with you - in the very end there will be no ammo and the musket will be the way; bows too etc... We would have come full circle - returning to the black powder of times gone by. Thanks for writing.
If there is one thing that would qualify as "human nature", it is the fact that homo sapiens is a social species. We evolved the ability and the necessity of living in a community. There was really never a time when our distinct ancestors would or could thrive alone; and there likely never will be a future where our descendants would thrive alone either. Self-reliance is about taking as much of your own weight on your own shoulders as you can; but there is no sustainable way for humans to live without having other people that they can count on, and vice-versa. The “best gun” for dire times is the one in the hands of someone who's got your back.
The last great famine in my neck of the woods was in the 1860's. 8% to 10% of the population died. It was war (naval bombardment of grain storage), followed by bad weather and large scale crop failure that brought the famine about. In the lead up to, and the first year of hunger all the big game was hunted to near extinction. There were not enough calories walking around in the forests, even in those days, to sustain the population. I don't understand the fixation on hunting for survival. Intensive agriculture is the only really sustainable food source in the modern world. Has been that for a long time. As for any sort of civil unrest. The three large wars on home soil in the last century showed the wrongness of the individualist mindset. It was factions that ruled the roost. The battle lines would drift back and forth with factions exchanging territory. Any one-man efforts were futile. You'd just get yourself labelled an enemy combatant and taken out with firebombs or artillery. Flee, hunker down, or enlist. Those were the options. If you are going to flee you might want a lightweight concealable weapon to defend against predators. A pack would still prey on you, and perhaps punish you severely for daring to resist. The family photo archives from those days contains pictures of naked bodies lining the streets. It's proof enough for me. People who were taken unprepared on the road or from their homes as retribution against an unruly populace. They did not all die well. If you were hunkering down you wanted nothing that the secret police could classify as a weapon of insurgency, when they inevitably came your way. If the situation ever gets that bad again, I suspect many preppers will have a rude awakening when the troops move in to restore order. Gun confiscation is the least of it, you'll be pressed into service if you can convince them you are on their side. If not, it's off to the work camps with you. Some camps had a mortality rate of a few percentage points, others over 90%. If you were enlisting the current service weapon of an infantryman is the likely weapon of choice. There were plenty of guns to go around back in the day. Guns are a high priority item for anyone organizing an army. It was uniforms and winter gear that was in short supply. People fought in the clothes they arrived in and slept cold. The days of "bring your own guns & gear wars" is passing though. My thinking on end of the world guns is this. Keep the arms that you use. If you hunt, those are good guns to have. If you are a member of police or military, then a copy of your service rifle is a good one to have for training purposes. In the hands of a determined homeowner, ANY gun will keep a PERSON out of your home, but NO gun will keep determined PEOPLE out.
Thank you for sending a thought provoking commentary; clearly you know a great deal - and from experience. It seems a lot of people are thinking, one way or another, about what happens when everything goes wrong. After reading your comments and many others, I suppose the extent of devastation is the critical variable. Some people are planning for urban combat and dealing with hordes of hungry, violent people. Others picture a world nearly void of people in a short period of time. With a gun or several and ammo to suit - one can at least try and there is a chance. If I am understanding most people : in an end of the world scenario, guns are the largest part of hope. I like your conclusion though.
@Blake My thought is a .357 magnum lever-action: it can shoot two of the world's most common rounds, can take deer-sized game at appropriate ranges, and it's easier to shoot quickly than a Lee-Enfield too.
@Blake I agree about the AR, but the lever gun does have certain advantages: it's legal almost everywhere that guns can be owned, it's less sensitive to non-standard or degraded ammunition, and many parts can be fabricated with pre-industrial tooling (yes, I know that requires considerable knowledge and skill, but it can be done).
1. No one has run 80k rounds through a Remington 870. It has a riveted ejector that will fail well before that and would require a gunsmith to replace. 2. I don’t think you’re being realistic about ammunition availability, weight, and storage. Put on some sneakers and try walking ten miles with that M4 or the 870 with say a hundred rounds of ammo. Tough hill to climb. 3. What does that 870 hold? Five rounds? Six? While you’re busy reloading, someone with a 10/22 just killed you. 5. I like Mausers. No problem with them. But on my list, they’d probably fit somewhere around 25th place.
I do like the cadence of your voice and the immense amount of knowledge that you share in your videos. I am new to them. Hope I didn’t come off asshole-ish. I am a veteran and some parts of this subject I know pretty well. Keep the vids coming.
What difference does it make if the 870 will or will not last to 80K rounds if you don’t have that much ammo stashed away. When scavenging ammo I don’t think everyone is going to find the amounts they wish for. Plan on hitting the SHTF situation without resupply.
I totally agree for defensive purposes, and city dwelling, but if you live in the country a 22lr is a very useful round. Good for hunting small game, even a deer if your close. Plus you can carry 1000 rounds easily. But very thoughtful and good sense review.
For the thought experiment your video proposes my first criteria is that I have to own the particular guns I select. Therefore, black guns such as an AR or AK aren't even a consideration as I don't own one. Other criteria I also utilized was portability, reliability, and ammo availability. So, out of the guns I have I concluded that I would take the Lee-Enfield Jungle Carbine for a rifle, a Browning Hi-power pistol for a sidearm, and a Winchester Model 97 12 gauge for the shotgun. Not only do I think these firearms would work well for the 90 day time frame, but would work effectively over a longer time period. As to the debate about which guns to have for the extreme long term I think it is ultimately pointless to a great extent. This is because I don't think it is going to be a return to muzzleloaders and making black powder, but a return as firearms break down and ammo becomes scarce to spears along with bows and arrows for those that have made it that far.
Excellent, excellent thoughts and choices. In the unlikely even of an "end of world" scenario, the firearm choices you made are very realistic and so is your vision for the deeper times after civilization has failed. I agree with the many people that have written me who seem to know from experience that the collapse of law and order comes far more quickly and at far greater cost than most people know or think.
Thank you for your insight and your thought provoking video, I had’t thought of the Mouser 98 as a good choice! However, with all due respect, this is one of your videos that I disagree with. The AK47 would be my single rifle choice. It has an extremely simple design, has large simple parts, it’s extremely reliable, it’s easy to operate, and it has proven itself all over the world. It addition, If I’m not mistaking there’s more AK rounds in the US than 30-06. If I could pair that with anything it would be with a reliable 22LR pistol.
The barrel would degrade on the Mauser. A 22lr and a pump would go a long way in my opinion. Let’s pray anarchy doesn’t break out. Excellent channel, subbed. Really enjoy your content.
AK 47 hands down. No question. As a former Infantryman I would avoid the shotguns like the plague. Try to carry two hundred rounds of twelve gauge ammunition. Also the range question looms large in my opinion. Nice video. Thank you.
Oh boy...that reminds me of reading about Galveston - I was a lot younger and so upset by the loss of life and devastation. For sure our luck can run out anytime and the hurricanes you get can be so brutal. Anyway, let's hope and pray.
SHTF, WROL, EOW NGHA,. Usefulness, Reliability, serviceability, parts ammo, >Weight if bugging out or wandering...Yes indeed something i put just a bit of thought into. Also try to find out round counts, what parts fail and have some of those available. Guns are aleady several use items. Food, defense and even offence if you are so inclined.
Mausers for the rest of the world but in Canada, it would be the Lee Enfield. During WWII, the Eskinmos were issued Lee Enfields and .22 target pistols (more than likely Hi Standards) to not only survive in the far north but to also defend its boarder and fight the Japanese. More recently E.A.Ls and no4s were used to defend Canada's northern boarder until the rifles were replaced with Colt made Tekkas last year.
Fair enough - they seem to be unstoppable - we'll make the Lee Enfield an end rifle too. Those Lee Enfields are so undervalued right now; and they even have the box mags. Thank you.
Your breakdown of this topic is awesome, thanks for this vid. Whenever I watch nature documentaries on remote tribal cultures where the folks have just 1 gun to defend the village against predators it's always 3 guns that shown up: SKS, Mausers and Enfields. Those primitive old guns never need a gunsmith and always go bang.
THANK YOU for noting the untrained/undisciplined nature on non-vet civilians. Too many gun people try to deny that. Good point to go for manual-actions, but I would go more for 7.62mm NATO than .30-06. More commonality.
hi the rem 870 is a great shotgun but need special tool to fix if you do have broken parts l good with a Mossberg 500 everything easy to fix and need little or no tools just what l go with thanks
Nightmare scenario, and you only get one gun? I have always said shotgun, always. You're gonna eat. Bird, rabbit, squirrel, deer. You can eat Grizzly, too, oh yeah. Bait 'em. Climb up a tree, wait till it finds you. As it looks up...boom... send em a fat slug or 3. You can first taunt the Griz for fun with the Popeil Mountain Lion and Bear Teaser. If you were to inadvertently drop your shotgun whilst doing that, well....that's not Popeil's fault. *We have fun here on the USOG channel.*
3 or 4 great dependable guns (don’t forget at least one or two handguns) Ammo ammo and more ammo. Water, food, medical supplies and family with select friends. A positive attitude and perhaps a taste of whiskey to celebrate the end of another day survived. Best to all.
I like the "a taste of whiskey to celebrate another day survived" something about that line sticks. Makes me think of new movie or book. A Taste of Whiskey by Deano. All the best my friend.
I must respectfully disagree with the choice to have a bolt action rifle as your only rifle. I wouldn't want to be traveling and get jumped by several people if I only had a bolt gun. In the US there are so many people with AR and AK type rifles if yours breaks I think you'd be able to get parts as easily as a Mauser 98. I feel as though a semi auto rifle would be a better choice against multiple assailants. However I do agree with you that semi autos are far more fragile than bolt guns. You mentioned your Sumatran friend and his 870. I am interested in this story (if there is one). Is it hard to get guns in his village so everyone shares this 870 to hunt? Is shooting this 870 a right of passage for villagers because everyone else has done it? Why this 870? Thank you for another great video.
Hi Jake - good comments - thank you. Not an easy video for sure as I wasn't sure of time frames. As I mentioned - for the first "while" semi's would rule but as time goes they'll diminish, partly due to breakage and partly due to ammo. Some people are writing me and suggesting black powder guns will be the way to go - after the rest fail or run out of ammo. Some people make their own black powder etc... Sounds about right. As for the Sumatran - they seemed to have various guns and probably either have none now or many more - I'm not sure. Anyway, not much of a story - just an old 870 that seemed to be used by all - not even sure if it was legal for them to have. I've run into a Marlin 39 in the far North that was about the same - even had some kind of snowshoe gut wrapped around the barrel and magazine tube since the screw was gone. That rifle was "in the white" from use as well - and worked perfectly for anyone. Anyway, the 870 was much like a spade or a hatchet - no right of passage that I knew of. All the best.
Thank you for the lengthy, thoughtful reply. I enjoy the stories behind worn, and well used firearms. Everyone has said "if only this gun could talk" I have a few family heirloom guns that have interesting pasts. My Win 94 32 spl was bought by my father's father with his first paycheck from the steel mill in 1954 I believe, I still have the box. The finish is well worn, a hairline crack is present in the forearm but the gun is very accurate. I have my mother's father's Win 12 in 12 gauge. He bought it used at 17 hunted with it often, it is also well worn and after a break in it was the only gun left. There are a few more but I think I made my point on my interest in worn guns still in use. And all the best to you.
'In the US there are so many people with AR and AK type rifles if yours breaks I think you'd be able to get parts as easily as a Mauser 98" MUCH EASIER THAN FOR MAUSER 98. For every 1 Mauser 98 in the US, there are 1000 AR-15. For every one round of 8x57, there are 100,000 rounds of 223/5.56. And more importantly, a group with bolt actions or lever actions or pumps is not going to survive a single engagement with a similar or even smaller group with semis. ALL armies which could switched out of bolt actions during WW2 for a reason, even to machine pistols - manuals are not nearly competitive other than in long range (500m+) sniping, and old sht like Mauser 98s are not even competitive at that as they are not free-floated.
Benelli barrels have cryogenic treated barrels. Glock pistols barrels are ferratic Nitrocarborized and last longer. Both of these weapons will last longer and have fewer movi g parts. Ak47 and ar 15 will fail. If you went with a black gun it will be something like a 805 bren or 806 bren. The 805 is a NATO rifle. The cz p-01 is also a NATO hand gun. Those weapons go through stringent NATO testing and also ade given a NATO serial number. However the glock handguns barrel it treated. Agree on the 22lr idea. But you will need more service intervals. The Remington shotgun will fail it uses typical steel alloy it's a smart gun although I can see your angle. Parts availability. Shotgun would be a defense mechanism. If this is the case, use the keltec ksg. Simple design 15 plus one three quarter inch rounds of 00 buck shot pump action. No spring to wear out. Keltec makes a shorter version.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns very, im a cz guy and just picked up a sonoran in 270. the barrel is chrome lined then the whole barrel and action is ferratic nitro-carborized except the bolt. the bolt is high quality, 19mm dovetails, they are currently on clearance. discontinued and the sonoran name high long range comb designed on the manners stock. metal follower plastic cover underneath. very durable Rockwell hardness of 72. there is a few cz videos on you tube. the rifle will be much more durable then what might be a good end of world scenerio and also a good long gun to have in the collection. the 805 has a much better fit and finish piston driven i believe the barrel is chrome lined and as with all cz rifles, the barrels are lapped no break in needed. the 556 round does come in the steel core xm855 for 1/4 in. pennetration. end of world scenerio, using a piston 805 platform design , check out some extreeme youtube videos operating this short piston design. short piston for faster semi auto operation. zero feed issues being the nato tested long gun. nato testing uses a method pushing through thousands of rounds to exceed a typical long gun limits. alot of ar 15 uses blow back gas impingement destined for failure for a 800 dollar average mediocre design. mil spec cheap i dislike the charge handle on the rear. i prefer the 805 reciprocating handle on the side. i believe the 806 will have a quick release system but the 805 may have updated magazines to address that issue if i remember correctly. the scar h is also very nice but will not have the nato stamp.
although the 805 is a nato long gun, the 805 s1 is a civilian version, i believe will have the same fit and finish using the same parts with some mechanical changed being a civilian variant
I grew up with 98 Mauser works all the time , works every time.. 30-06 I don't feel is needed ammo is heavy and bulky . Mine is 6mm . Shotgun I can see and understand its use to defend yourself and loved ones , but leaving your shelter with one which I'm not sure I would because ammo is too bulky and heavy.. A handgun I would carry in .22 LR. ammo light enough that a 550 round brick fits right into my pack. .22 rifle would be good choice.. AR or AK not for me.. Bolt gun and a good lever gun say Win. 94 or Marlin 336 or 1895 I would add and I own a Marlin , lever guns worked fine for over 100. Years not a problem .. .22 handgun , .22 rifle, bolt centerfire and lever gun .. Shotgun still iffy for me. Great topic. Folder knife, fixed blade knife of good quality would be a must.
Thank you sir for mentioning what those of us who have used these black rifles in a combat situation know - they will eventually fail. The Mauser 98 is (pardon the pun) "bullet proof". They were designed as an instrument of war which had to have a level of durability, accuracy and ease of use . The rifles were designed to outlast the soldier and the war. Today we have few that are on par with it. Certainly not any of today's "budget rifles".
A few people wrote me wondering why there isn't and arms limitation treaty restricting all armed forces to bolt actions. Apparently there are all kinds of agreements limiting all kinds of weapons; the people suggest - why not military small arms. Just sharing some thoughts that are out there.
its so easy to get drawn into this way of "fanatic" or panicky thinking..but really all you have to do is go somewhere where people do not ordinarily go. Fringe areas, islands, deserts, cold places that is where competition is probably less and people are maybe more likely to stick together and help each other out....even if you are in LA you are not automatically f...ed if you dont have a streetsweeper of some kind in your pocket...so maybe thinking of guns when planning of the ultimate scenario is not the first and most important thing...just a thought!
Yes good pick, the mauser will be reliable,durable and effective for the long haul. It will excel if your target is behind cover-8mm or 30-06 will go through 1" a36 steel with ap rounds- bird shot will bounce off a thin car door. Also a side arm would be a must also for a multitude of reasons perhaps that could be another video. great vid thank you
You need to also consider what part of the world you’re in. If you live in an area that has dangerous 4 legged animals you’d want something with power to deal with them. In my neck of the woods I would use a 30-30, 22LR bolt rife , 12 gauge pump shotgun and a 38 revolver. The ammunition for them can be found anywhere. My Model 94 in 30-30 has a 26” barrel with a tang sight. I can hit a 6” round pie plate from 250 yards with it. That’s more than one would need anyway. You’re not going to engage a two legged critter at 250 yards. You’re best decision is to put more distance between you and them. Your role is survival and evasion not combat. Your rifle should be used when avoidance is not possible.
Great video. I always tell people to think of the most available ammo and those are the guns you should own if SHTF. Examples: 12ga. 9mm 223/556 308 or 30-06 At least for North America these calibers are abundant, so it would be easy to obtain ammo one could use. To me one of the greatest handguns to own if SHTF, if you can get one. The Medusa because it can shoot 27 different calibers. Just one man's opinion.
That only applies if you buy it cheap and stack it deep when it is available. 9mm and 5.56 are also now the first to disappear from shelves. 12 ga seems stable and there are ways to improve bird shot for other uses.
I think a better question would have been what rifle or shotgun would you like in an extreme emergency situation where you know order will eventually be restored but things are very hectic for a limited amount of time. Like LA Riots, Flooding in New Orleans, or whatever in the world is going on in Venezuela right now. I like your two picks of a Remington 870 or a Mauser. Plenty of knock down power in both of them. They are both big weapons that scream DO NOT MESS with me! I really like the CZ 577 Range Rifle which is unfortunately only sold in Canada. I don't think anything will ever go wrong with that rifle. Wish I could buy one. :(
Hi Patrick - Solid thinking. The CZ Range Rifle is just another push feed with a hi capa mag for a bolt. I still like the Mauser - feed as you you go - no issues no jams - works in 2019 and works in 2099. Maybe just me. Have a great weekend!
Well if we're talking in forever timeframe we can take a que from Cubans keeping 30's 40's & 50's cars running. Meaning if parts r tough to come by we'll be making them. Shitty quality? Probably but when that's your only option well then u make one or barter for the guy that welds to help u out.
you did not mention what kind of hand gun one might pick for this topic...so ill go ahead and recommend a good colt 1911-1911a1 parts are common the design is reliable if you have a quality pistol!
Yes - I agree - the 1911 is ideal and the Beretta 92 - a few people wrote me and said the number of guns out there is important - just as you say about the 1911 - apparently the 92 also has a few million copies in circulation for parts etc... there may be others - I'm not sure.
End of the world episode….a real tough one you took on ! Not easy to define, or better yet, very tough to define, to survive ! Thanks….I enjoy your vids 👍🏻
I feel very fortunate watching this video as I have all but the benelli in my collection.
Thanks for the thoughtful nature of this video.
Sam Adams Benelli in your future?
You do what you do, I watch, works for me. Long term, End of the world Flintlock smooth bore. I am old and it works for me.
Red Sky Imho a rifle barrel would be better.
You're right Red Sky - at last there will only be home made black powder and match lock or match ignition; maybe some flints...smooth bore or rifled - one will still have a chance.
I can shoot round balls or shot out of a smooth bore, Sort of like a Shotgun that you can use for slugs.
If it is rifled then only round balls.
By the time you need to make your own homemade smooth bore rifle with black powder....I feel like learning how to use traps for animals/learning the bow and arrow might be beneficial...just saying....
@@AudiowaveTV used to do a lot of archery, my elbows and body say no more.
It's Amazing to Me that the Last, End All firearm is the First Gun I ever Bought.......A Pump action Shotgun. I wanted a Do Everything Hunting Gun when I started Hunting. To be honest mine was an Ithaca model 37 Featherweight, I put it along side the Rem 870, in fact I now have Both!
That was great! You really put some thought into this. Let's hope that it never happens. Thank you
For those that say you need a smooth bore flint lock musket......learn how to build traps and use a bow and arrow....
I agree with this Video....AR/shotty for short term, Shotty/BoltAction for long term, and bow and arrow for when the World starts over...
There's is still gona be plenty of 556 around in 100 years if the world ends
@@tubeguy4066 Could you do me a favor and go out to Germany and try to find 8mm Mauser rounds laying in the ground? Has to be from WW2. And WW2 was less than 100 years ago...also can't be rusted over and the powder still has to work...
...8mm is still around...but mostly the newly manufactured ones. The ones that are from WW2 is rare. Without a fresh supply of manufactured ammo...you can't defend yourself....much less a family or a village.
...with that being said...with a few more years of wisdom on this comment...I would just hire some chemist and metal workers and buy a few high quality smelt and hand ammo reloader kits...and I can make my own ammo for as long as we can still melt metal...make gunpowder from scratch...and reload ourselves...and use teamwork instead of trying to trap/bow&arrow everything yourself. Although those skills would still be nice to have after the world goes dark...
You know what your doing. My favorite gun channel easily... Good work.
I am grateful to you for your kind words.
Civilization as we know ends, the SHTF.
1. Shotgun, Remminington 870.
2. Ruger 10/22
3 AR 15, 556
4. Remington 700 bolt gun
5. Hand gun
Buy weapons based on reliability, common, parts availability, accuracy, ammo.
Your life may depend on bartering for parts or ammp, a case of toilet paper, a bottle of Windsor or a case of food.
Sounds like you'll make it.
1-3 agreed. 4 I already have a Mauser 98 so I'd start with that and pick up the Remington along the way as parts are probably (italicized) easier to acquire.
@Me. Me 66 rounds go into 2 mags. If you want superior accuracy out of the Ruger PCC try 147 grain pills. Stay safe.
I think people would benefit if ahead of time they would think out what are the most needed spare parts for their most important guns - sometimes the parts are cheaper than you'd think if you shop around. Extra springs, an extra firing pin or two, a couple extra extractors - just a few bucks may double the expected life of a gun for very few $ up front. I've done this for one of my guns for under $30. Some guns have really inexpensive parts. The extra parts can be kept inside in the stock. An internet search can help determine what parts are most likely to wear out first for a particular gun.
I have an 870 12ga Shotgun, security model with shorter barrel. I have to add that in 2021 you cannot find Remington 870 parts anywhere. I saw an ejector spring sell for $138 on eBay two weeks ago. Remington went belly up and now owned by someone else twice over .... I'm hopeful they manufacture some parts soon.
I have "a gun smith guy" we know that comes up with parts and said he would make me a new ejector spring, he is local so I'm fortunate but the internet is dry.
Wilson combat rebuilds 870s for 230 dollars. Parkerizes them and everything in what they call the “steal package”
Like you mentioned at the end, let's hope these scenarios are never anything we have to encounter. A subject I was surprised too see covered on the channel but you did a great job and brought YOUR prospective so I very much appreciate that. It was cool to see black gun on your channel, and I should have expected it to be a collectible one! (Duh!)
You hit the nail right on the head, very insightful, hope it never happens.
Hey, comments on an old video, maybe I have seen it before, but thanks for video. Ok, maybe I have watched madmax movies but in the end it will be what you have ammo for. 12ga field loads are effective at close range. Personally 22lr works, don't want an old squirrel hunter shooting at you, seen lots of hogs and cows dispatched with a 22lr. Lots of that ammo stashed away. Story for you, guy used to come to farm and butcher beef, shot it with 22, skinned it, put in truck and took it to process. One cow got out of his range, dad had to go get the Springfield, hamburger and tee bones then. 22lr works most of the time. Another story from my youth. Squirrels were running too fast for me and dad so we got out the shotguns, dad had the 12 and I the 410, anyway, Ma bit into some shot and told us if it can't be shot with a 22 don't shoot it. But she did let us use bigger rifles on deer.
There was a British film called "Threads", it was made in 1984 and was about the aftermath of a nuclear attack on a city in the UK, believed to be based on Sheffield. Clips and segments are available on here.
It used any statistical data available at the time and was supposed to be reasonably accurate. It portrayed what day to day life would be like when law and order were gone completely, and had little chance of coming back.
It was scary, and some sort of personal protection firearm would be extremely wise.
I'll look for it - thanks for mentioning.
I would ad a good 22 lr rifle to the list. you can hunt with it , defend yourself with it. And the main thing you can have thousands of rounds of ammo.If you have to go on the run, you could take a lot of ammo with you. A few hundred rounds of 30.06 can get heavy hauling it around with you.
ED Wilson good point. It’s a great defensive and small game firearm. Doesn’t get enough tespect.
Cody: You SPRAY a drugged up ass down with .22 cal. rounds head to toe.....A .22 cal. round in an NFL linebacker has that SOB changing his mind RAPIDLY! And, a Mountain Lion won't take a .22 cal. round: Guys I work with in Washington State take them out with .22s every hunt......a bear, well that is another story.
If it's a bear, you're just going to shoot then run/hide. Hopefully it follows suit.
.22s are deadly past a mile, and shot placement beats drugs, mental state or species. The loss of velocity depends completely on chamber pressure, which barrel length and cartridge can mitigate effectively. Say what you will about them, .22s are the most abundant and utilized firearms the world over for more than 100 years and running.
Ability to store and carry a LOT of ammo is a big plus, and a bolt-action .22 is going to keep shooting for a long, long time. In addition to being much more "useful" than many people might think, another advantage is the "low profile", both visually and acoustically...no need to advertise that you are around, and armed, to everyone within 5-10 km/miles. They also do not alarm game, so that you can shoot something at point x, and another animal can still be found, just a few hundred meters/yards away.
I've seen that a good ,22 can give you excellent shot placement out to, say, 200 m/yes.
Just thinking...
9:37 - When you talked about the distance regarding citizen involved shootings, Paul Harrell immediately popped into my head; "The FBI has been telling us for decades that the mean average distance of a lethal confrontation is 7 yards." For anyone interested in details, have a look at his "Gun Fight Statistics" video. It's really interesting.
As a member of Front Sight PaRump Nevada gun club , they informed us that the distance has been up dated to 30ft , a young person in decent shape can have his knife into you , before you can draw & fire , if he is closer than 30ft
@@robertmintz63 that was the old 21 foot rule. A person in decent shape can cover that distance faster than most people can see the threat, recognize the threat, has determined the threat to need lethal force, decides to use lethal force, draw snd engage the threat.
@@ms.annthrope415 I concur with that , however , that does not change what I said. That is why we must be aware of our surroundings ! Not to be in a condition of white , which is a obliviousness of what others are doing , but rather to be in condition -yellow - checking what people are dong around you , or RED -someone following you or paying to much attention to you , to which you change direction & if necessary toward someone you feel could help you !
@@ms.annthrope415Yet, it's incredibly unlikely that a knife attack will be immediately lethal..In other words it will turn into a struggle, with proper training you can still be able to draw distance and fire upon the threat..Treating the knife wounds afterwards would be a different story though..
I like the knowledge and the modesty of this guy. soft voice talking about the end of the world. :)
They are still working on the Mauser 98 destructive test it began in 1898
: ) Love that!
Second that
By the way, I hope that I get lots of warning before the end of the world, Id like to tidy up a bit first.
: ) hahahahaha
Delete your browser History?
Good idea!
Who are you tidying up for? Thats one of the good things about end of the world, no need to tidy up for anyone😊
Love the Mauser 98, probably in 308 or 3006. Don't have one, I have a Tikka t3x. That's also a solid gun, super common particularly in Europe. The 870 is great as well, love mine.
Hi Conrad - the Tikka T3X is excellent; glad you have the unstoppable 870.
USOG would a Winchester mod 70 pre 64 be good? It's a Mauser action, in 3006, it's a pretty good deal for only 650. There are some cosmetic dings. I'm thinking about buying it plus it will likely appreciate in value
A sobering and timely subject, which you thoughtfully present. There's a lot here to ponder.
I suppose I would be among the first to succumb. Don't think I'd want to be at the point of having to kill someone to get something to eat.
It would be a world where I wouldn't want to be.
Thoughtful and sensitive note Robert. Thank you again.
This question has, rather unfortunately, been answered by post war history. Many civil war affected areas in Central / West Africa have had conditions very similar to the dystopic picture you considered and the weapon that is used everywhere is the AK in 7.62X39. In fact anywhere outside the U.S and Western Europe if you had to have a weapon for which you can find/ cannibalize parts and find ammunition, it is undoubtedly the AK which has spread in millions across the globe. The number of Aks used in every unofficial/ civil war/ insurgency actually shows how easy is it for a civilian population without proper logistical support to maintain and deploy AKs.
If the end of civilization were looming, one could do worse than having an AK and a Toyota pickup.
I think the Mauser 98 would have been the right choice till before the Second World War. The Mauser was the service rifle in so many parts of the world that it probably had the same stature as the AK does today.
Fantastic comment. Thanks for taking the time. I had my AK on the table, then put it away as I felt around year 25 or earlier most won't work and ammo will be a problem. Part swapping only goes so far as the pool of AKs will be constantly shrinking. I like your case and experience though. I could be wrong.
It would be the AR15 in the US.
Thank you for the very useful information. Being completely un educated in firearms I tried to answer the same question and chose a ruger 10 22 and a mossberg maverick 12 gauge. I have since learned the maverick has a fatal flaw if it is dropped or damaged through hard use. I would like to buy a hand gun and was thinking of a semi auto 22. Probably a ruger.
Anything in the ruger Mark series is accurate and reliable. The older ones have a trick to taking down and putting together but learn it and you can find some great deals. Remember you needs magazines or they don’t work efficiently. The MK 3 and Mk4 won’t fire without a magazine in. Not a feature I’m fond of.
I thought about the apocalyptic scenario for along time and decided that since I had the Dakota colt pistol .45 Colt with ammo it would be best to get a lever M92 in 45 colt along with two other rugers a Vaquero and a Blackhawk also in 45. I have a hand reloader as well as a turret reloader for 45 Colt with good amount of Unique. I have plenty of hardcast bullets, casings, large pistol primers and live ammo. One reason I have 1873 Colt and the clones with the Rossi lever is they all shoot the same ammo. The other thing is that's what I shoot and I can actually hit what I want with these old style weapons. I not good with a 1911 it just doesn't feel right in my grip especially the recoil is always wobbly in my hand. I have a little Stoeger coach gun with enough turkey loads. Four guns that shoot the same bullets then a double barrel 12G shotgun in my opinion will have to do cause that's all I have. If I needed more bullets I could get the lead car weights and melt them down. Worst comes to worst make a tumbler and find the black power ingredients. I hope all Hell doesn't break loose, I'm to old..!
Great video today, the practical things you brought are very important with regards to parts wearing out over time. Lets just hope the scenario never comes true. Thanks again
Thanks Jim
In a “end of the world” situation the most valuable thing is organising your neighbourhood. In times of chaos there is power in (well armed) numbers. Of course, in order to even being able to organise you have to know and trust your neighbours. So next time you see your neighbour, have a friendly chat...good neighbours are more important than far away friends.
Wise and comforting words; hopefully people will be nice.
I just found your channel earlier today an have already watched several of your videos they are very informative, keep up the good work!!!
Thank you!
I think you hit the nail on the head it could not have been deciphered better. The simplest is the best, a mechanical shotgun for accuracy's in close quarters and a bolt action for keeping the enemy at a distance and acquiring food. I also have semi auto mag fed shotgun and rifles. I really like the molot vepr 12 it is excellent with v6 muzzle break for keeping on track with accuracy.
The model Remington 870 was no surprised to me it's a great gun
Dope Video! Sending blessing your way, Keep inspiring!🎒🙌🏻
The Bob Ross of firearms! Thanks for the great videos.
Thanks Karen!
I truly enjoy your videos.
Good video and good advice. I think I'm going with my Marlin 44 magnum because it holds 10 shots in the magazine and has iron sights. Scopes sometimes fail ! Also my Mossberg 500 12 gauge. I agree that I hope it don't come to that, but like my ol dad always said "It's better to have and not need than to need and not have"
jerell browning
best choice
That watermelon picture just seems a little out of place. haha
: )
Hey watermelons are great, why not lol
Homage to a great target.
Great jazz tune. Herbicide Hancock.. ...
I happen to have thought about this scenario a few times myself. Since I'm retired military, I know a little about firearms, hunting, and self defense. And as somewhat of a gun collector/rec shooter/hunter, I have more than a few to choose from and plenty of ammo for all. Of course I'm not staying in the city/high population area as that is more hazardous and runs out of resources quickly. Since I would be planning to survive as long as possible, I agree a quality 12 gauge(870 or mod 12), a good bolt action rifle with a Mauser action(Winchester etc.) in a nice common caliber like .308 or 30-06, a .22 bolt action for hunting etc., and a reliable 9mm pistol(sorry not a Glock fan but I do have Beretta & CZ), as well as my trusty 1911 in .45. Since I'm hauling a selection of firearms and ammo on a permanent relocation, I would definitely take along a quality AR in 5.56, again thinking of easy ammo available(.223 or 5.56) and it would add to the home defense category in case of intruders. My family are all reasonably familiar with firearms and joke that in case of a SHTF scenario, they're meeting up at my place since I have enough firearms and ammo for everyone. Doubt this will happen in my lifetime, thankfully, but better prepared than joining 50% + who will be sheep to the slaughter!
Balanced and reasonable comments - you covered the possibility in the best possible way. From my channel I've learned that many people consider the possibility of something really bad happening; and have planned accordingly. Others say nothing will ever go wrong. I'm not sure what the future holds but Rome fell.
Welcome to 2020 Pollyannas. Riots, fires and mudslides, sushi in the mall just as Jimmy Buffett predicted. (He missed the bad mexican beer flu.) Hope you have a little something put back we are in for a wild ride.
If you're in the city when the shit goes down, you'll likely be killed or trapped in said city before you could effectively respond.
Agreed... both very reliable and low maintenance for the long haul!
Thank you for the video, it's a topic I've been thinking about a lot. I agree with your choices. I would also think about having a smaller pistol on me, because of the ability to conceal it. And a small little 22 bolt action with thousands of rounds at home would be a good idea as well.
But there is no ideal gun for a scenario like this. I once read something that more people should realise, a guy with lots of gear, an expensive AR15 and lots of training will probably be killed by a guy with grandpa's old 270 bolt action rifle.
Thank you for adressing the topic, stay safe! Greetings from Germany
Hello Rapha! Thank you for writing. Your idea of the .22 is excellent - could create years of survival. As I said in the video - the hardest part will be to survive the first days and weeks - if it happens - it will be bad; especially densely populated places. My military friends used to tell me the authorities expect attrition rates of 90% or higher in urban areas - no idea where these studies are now or if anyone even thinks about this. Anyway, if things go wrong - who has a gun will make a very, very big difference. My grandpa fought on the Eastern front.
Yes, it definitely does! Especially in countries where not everyone can own a gun having a gun is a big advantage.
Oh, so you have german relatives? My grandpa also fought on the Eastern front, on the Finnish-Sowjet front.
By the way I really like your videos, you have a great way of presenting things! Thank you for doing this
Great Video! As an "Apocolypse Rifle," I completely agree regarding a bolt action. My "98" Mauser is actually an FN copy with a J.C. Higgins moniker. It was once a 30/06 but it had been abused to the point that correcting the corrosion pitting inside the barrel was not possible so a new barrel was installed. Now it is a 6.5x55 SE which in my opinion is superior to the venerable "06." Much milder recoil was my goal and it is incredibly accurate out to ranges beyond my skill set. I do have 2 CZ 527 Carbines. One is a 7.62x39. The other is a 6.5 Grendel. Either would make great "End of Civilization" weapons along with my 870 Wingmaster. I have several different barrels for the Remington. I have collected enough brass/primers/bullets/smokeless powder to reload over 10,000 round of ammo. I never buy ammo. I buy bullets and brass. I would like to have another bolt action "mini-Mauser" such as a CZ 527 Carbine chambered in 300 HAM'R. Acquiring several thousand rounds of once fired Lake City 5.56x45 brass is easy and cheap. Pressure forming annealed brass isn't a common skill but I have been reloading my own ammo for close to 60 years. For versatility my ultimate choice for an "Apocalypse Rifle" would definitely be the CZ 527 6.5 Grendel. Compact powerful that can also reach out to at least 800 meters and "touch" an adversary or the rapidly disappearing wild game. Something rarely addressed is the belief by many that they will go "hide in the woods" and survive by hunting whitetail deer etc. That won't be possible after the first month. My "farm" can become mobile if necessary. I will defend my food source livestock vigorously. All is compact and can ride in my mule drawn wagon. I am fully prepared for the dissolution of civilization. I have been slowly and carefully preparing for literally decades. Not a paranoid conspiracy theorist but rather an observant student of history. I often point out to "preppers" that using a firearm to harvest game reveals your position. Personally I also have several hunting bows and plenty of arrows for both virtually silent hunting and silent home defense. I am a very proficient archer. Still I carry my CZ 527 Carbine 7.62x39 whenever I am away from the house. I do not have use for a handgun so the compact CZ is perfect. I plan to find one in .22 Hornet too.
Interesting and thoughtful - thank you for writing. Based on the feedback I've received over time it seems that many people expect and are prepared for a collapse of some kind. Of course, you are correct : history teaches us that civilization and/or some kind of order, is an exception. After Rome fell, the world entered a period of disarray that included the Dark Ages; many say it took well over a thousand years for some kind of order to return. Anyway, people are getting ready and many ARE ready - and anticipate a total collapse and human conflict spreading and overwhelming all other issues. I guess we'll have to see - and it never hurts to be prepared. If one is armed, one has a chance.
I am not an expert but I have heard on several occasions that the shot gun is easier to reload without specialized equipment, that might also be a consideration.
pseudopetrus it’s super easy and all you need is some components, a nail and a hammer like object and some chunks of wood. Not the best but very possible.
The mossberg 590 was the only one the marines tested to take 1000 rounds of military buck shot. A model 70 Winchester or model 94 is unlikely to wear out as well.
I have given this end of the world scenario quite a bit of thought. It will not always be a tactical in your face gun fight. All military forts in 1870's had 1500 rounds on hand for battle. Modern Winchester lever action in smokeless .45LC pistol calibers will still shoot black powder using the same casings and the idea is to have a few or more 1873 Colt 6 shooter clones in the same caliber. Some handloading equipment a few pounds of powder and plenty of lead cast bullets & casings plus primers. The pioneers came across this country using these weapons fought off indians, Bears, took game and survived quite well. Nowadays you can always find car weights to smelt down for casting bullets. One could make a tumblr for making black powder if you know the ingredients. My other choice would be .177 pellet air rifle with 10,000 pellets for hunting birds like dove or Quail and a little double barrel coach gun for Pheasants, Turkeys, Sagehens and Duck. The one thing to remember is stay the hell away from people by staying out of sight.
Interesting Alex. From what I read - some of them are ready and have given this a lot more thought than I have - things will likely happen in waves; and after things thin out - the long haul to whatever the next version of our civilization/species is ...will take patience, courage and volume. I'm quoting people who wrote me. I like the pellet idea.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I do agree with you semi automatics always fail. The only thing that fails on an 1873 Colt .45 is the flat spring in the handel and on the levers it's usually the extractor. Both can be made with a hacksaw and a file.
Good video. The mauser 98k, didn't it freeze up in the winter conditions of the russian front/Stalingrad where the mosin kept going, or is that a myth ? That aside, a lever action in a potent calibre like .44 mag or .454 could make sense, or a combination gun.
But i think you are correct though, the humble shotgun takes some beating in a situation like this.
The lubricant froze, then they cleaned all the lube off and ran the rifles dry in the cold. Same thing happened to the M1 Garand at the Battle of the Bulge.
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Thanks Panzer
in our country we prefer the Mauser action because it allways work in freezing conditions and if it rains and it starts too freeze,rain,mud snow it works. By the way,i am from Norway.
I totally agree with him: simple, reliable firearms are the best to own. I would suggest one of the old Savage over/under combo rifles where the top barrel is chambered for 223, 30-30, or 308 and the bottom barrel is chambered for 12 gauge. Yes, they're single shot weapons, but in an end-of-the-world situation, you want to fire as few rounds as possible since eventually you'll run out of ammunition and you'll wind up with a crossbow, a baseball bat, and a large knife--and maybe a slingshot with very strong rubber tubes.
100%
Great video. thought provoking.
My apocalypse primary weapon: Dakota Arms Model 10 Mannlicher in .260 Rem.
Sidearm: T/C Contender pistol, 10" bull barrel, in 7mm TCU.
You'll be facing the apocalypse in grand style; and effective style as well.
You'll be taken out by hood with old semi-autos within 3 days.
I'll just throw this out there. Whatever gun you have as a main defense weapon, have a second one untouched with which to cannibalize. Then you can probably go a long way with a break-away shotgun, single shot bolt action 22, and a revolver for when you have to leave the rifle behind. Then don't tell anyone that you have a 2m/440, HF, CB, with shortwave receiver and find where the help/food is.
The 870 is the smooth bore approximate of the AK-47. It just works.
One thing I will point out about the AR vs shotgun is that 223/5.56 is a very light recoiling round while the 12 ga is not. When giving a rifle to a smaller statured person it is much better to give them a gun that they are comfortable with. 12 ga is very versatile which makes it a good option for an "End of the World" scenario. I personally would replace the AR with an AK just because of the simplicity.
Most people would probably be surprised how fast one starves. The majority of people would wither at home in bed with no energy to save themselves, the young strong people would waste their time fighting in the streets for the last remnants of food found in stores. Many people live decent lives to day with the help of modern health care. That part of the population will be out of the game very quickly. Then we have all the city people who have no room for storing food. Anyone who have starved in real life knows how useless one becomes without food, even after a few days, understand that they too will be out of the game very quickly.
So my recommendation is don´t bother keeping special guns for survival. Just look forward to all the new guns you can collect for free if the SHTF! (unless you´re someone else dinner)
Such an excellent comment. I have never starved - but I know what you mean. We weaken and die quickly.
I do believe that people writing me are correct - we live on a razors edge of civilization and order; perhaps more tenuous than is apparent. The further society and individuals move away from individual skills and knowledge of how to function in an uncivilized world, the more difficult is is to survive the natural world.
As we found out earlier this year the average store only has about 3 days worth of supplies. They say we are looking at the second wave of the beer flu. (Can’t say the c word or the web crawlers take down the comment.). Stay safe and healthy all.
Great discussion and well thought out plan. It made sense. Plastic will. Not hold up. Mauser and 870 are the answer. Thank you.
I agree Don - and thousands of others as well. Toss most guns in a fire for a bit and that is the end. The Mauser and 870 usually keep working - even if they need some new wood or repairs...not that it is a good idea to test that - but in an "end of world" scenario such things might happen.
I'm a perfectionist! Plastic weapons are overpriced! Quality is hard to find. I love shotguns especially semi auto's but they will misfire for various reasons. Benelli's and Browning way overpriced but are quality weapons by today's standards in my opinion. I am looking for a decent Mauser for a reasonable price after your class on survival weapons. You are an extremely knowledgeable gun expert. Wish me luck. Don
My choice would probably be, a good bolt action in 308/30-06.(Never thought about the mauser, that's smart thinking.) A double barrel shotgun, and I got one of them lil survival .22s that fold up into a back pack. Great lil rifles.
I'd honestly want to take all my firearms and just load my safes onto my truck. :)
The most important thing will be friends that have prepared also. You can't be awake for 24/7.
Most military bolt guns will run 50,000+ rnds. But at the start you will need 2000/3000 rounds on hand for each gun you choose to have and the ability to reload as much. A good semiautomatic rifle and shotgun for the begining, a bolt gun and a good pump gun for later. But the little .22 will be needed also for game. A bow, a crossbow good to have.
A community will survive, the lone wolf will perish.
Wise words. Appreciate that you wrote.
Great stuff as usual! I always can count on usog for a fun video!
My Remington 7615 is my pick, it's not a semiauto but it's quick and in stressful situations autos and semiautos tend to become hoses, thereby wasting ammo. Designed for .223 or 5.56 and takes stanag mags. Or maybe my Ruger Gunsite scout in 308. I think that those two calibres have the advantage of still being military issue worldwide. Shotguns are great and availability of ammo is an advantage but if you needed to bug out with just a pack how many shot shells could or would you carry. At the end of the day this is analogous to the old "what's the best survival knife?" question. The one you've got.
Haha - great ending advice "The one you've got." - and so true. Thanks for writing Gobangs.
I own a Mossberg 12ga shotgun that runs flawlessly. Easy to maintain and service yourself even for a novice.
Another great video Thank You !
Not that I'm a big believer in an end of the world scenario, but you provided a very thoughtful response to the question. Thank you.
Thanks Floyd.
Oh my. Im sick and forced to stay in bed but have the priviledge to watch your video as the first one.
Post watch: In my opinion a musket (yes make it easy and name a whole field, ok a springfield) might also be workable. Making gunpowder components are simpler to come by and make than NC. Moulds dont really wear out that much.
same, rough day
I agree with you - in the very end there will be no ammo and the musket will be the way; bows too etc...
We would have come full circle - returning to the black powder of times gone by. Thanks for writing.
If there is one thing that would qualify as "human nature", it is the fact that homo sapiens is a social species. We evolved the ability and the necessity of living in a community. There was really never a time when our distinct ancestors would or could thrive alone; and there likely never will be a future where our descendants would thrive alone either. Self-reliance is about taking as much of your own weight on your own shoulders as you can; but there is no sustainable way for humans to live without having other people that they can count on, and vice-versa. The “best gun” for dire times is the one in the hands of someone who's got your back.
Those are wise observations.
The last great famine in my neck of the woods was in the 1860's. 8% to 10% of the population died.
It was war (naval bombardment of grain storage), followed by bad weather and large scale crop failure that brought the famine about. In the lead up to, and the first year of hunger all the big game was hunted to near extinction. There were not enough calories walking around in the forests, even in those days, to sustain the population. I don't understand the fixation on hunting for survival. Intensive agriculture is the only really sustainable food source in the modern world. Has been that for a long time.
As for any sort of civil unrest. The three large wars on home soil in the last century showed the wrongness of the individualist mindset. It was factions that ruled the roost. The battle lines would drift back and forth with factions exchanging territory. Any one-man efforts were futile. You'd just get yourself labelled an enemy combatant and taken out with firebombs or artillery. Flee, hunker down, or enlist. Those were the options.
If you are going to flee you might want a lightweight concealable weapon to defend against predators. A pack would still prey on you, and perhaps punish you severely for daring to resist. The family photo archives from those days contains pictures of naked bodies lining the streets. It's proof enough for me. People who were taken unprepared on the road or from their homes as retribution against an unruly populace. They did not all die well.
If you were hunkering down you wanted nothing that the secret police could classify as a weapon of insurgency, when they inevitably came your way. If the situation ever gets that bad again, I suspect many preppers will have a rude awakening when the troops move in to restore order. Gun confiscation is the least of it, you'll be pressed into service if you can convince them you are on their side. If not, it's off to the work camps with you. Some camps had a mortality rate of a few percentage points, others over 90%.
If you were enlisting the current service weapon of an infantryman is the likely weapon of choice. There were plenty of guns to go around back in the day. Guns are a high priority item for anyone organizing an army. It was uniforms and winter gear that was in short supply. People fought in the clothes they arrived in and slept cold. The days of "bring your own guns & gear wars" is passing though.
My thinking on end of the world guns is this. Keep the arms that you use. If you hunt, those are good guns to have. If you are a member of police or military, then a copy of your service rifle is a good one to have for training purposes. In the hands of a determined homeowner, ANY gun will keep a PERSON out of your home, but NO gun will keep determined PEOPLE out.
Thank you for sending a thought provoking commentary; clearly you know a great deal - and from experience. It seems a lot of people are thinking, one way or another, about what happens when everything goes wrong. After reading your comments and many others, I suppose the extent of devastation is the critical variable. Some people are planning for urban combat and dealing with hordes of hungry, violent people. Others picture a world nearly void of people in a short period of time. With a gun or several and ammo to suit - one can at least try and there is a chance. If I am understanding most people : in an end of the world scenario, guns are the largest part of hope. I like your conclusion though.
Lee Enfield with it`s 10 shot magazine and a pile of 5 shot clips ?
About as good as it gets.
Springfield 03? Unfortunately, as a lefty, l'm SOL, but l have a plan, hypothesthized by the great Dr Strangelove in 1964.
That’s a darn good combination
@Blake My thought is a .357 magnum lever-action: it can shoot two of the world's most common rounds, can take deer-sized game at appropriate ranges, and it's easier to shoot quickly than a Lee-Enfield too.
@Blake I agree about the AR, but the lever gun does have certain advantages: it's legal almost everywhere that guns can be owned, it's less sensitive to non-standard or degraded ammunition, and many parts can be fabricated with pre-industrial tooling (yes, I know that requires considerable knowledge and skill, but it can be done).
1. No one has run 80k rounds through a Remington 870. It has a riveted ejector that will fail well before that and would require a gunsmith to replace.
2. I don’t think you’re being realistic about ammunition availability, weight, and storage. Put on some sneakers and try walking ten miles with that M4 or the 870 with say a hundred rounds of ammo. Tough hill to climb.
3. What does that 870 hold? Five rounds? Six? While you’re busy reloading, someone with a 10/22 just killed you.
5. I like Mausers. No problem with them. But on my list, they’d probably fit somewhere around 25th place.
Great comments barett - hopefully the scenario never happens - but I'll buy a couple of 10/22's : )
I do like the cadence of your voice and the immense amount of knowledge that you share in your videos. I am new to them. Hope I didn’t come off asshole-ish. I am a veteran and some parts of this subject I know pretty well. Keep the vids coming.
What difference does it make if the 870 will or will not last to 80K rounds if you don’t have that much ammo stashed away. When scavenging ammo I don’t think everyone is going to find the amounts they wish for. Plan on hitting the SHTF situation without resupply.
I am with you on the mauser front, they are extremely durable and i also have about 3 of them!
Hi Zachary - that is a good start : )
I totally agree for defensive purposes, and city dwelling, but if you live in the country a 22lr is a very useful round. Good for hunting small game, even a deer if your close. Plus you can carry 1000 rounds easily.
But very thoughtful and good sense review.
you are doing wonderful :D glad i found you
This guy seems really nice, has a gentle soul.. Cool guns tho
Thank you Brian.
I agree with Ed 22 lr is a good choice + pistol in the same caliber plus shotgun 12 gage.
For the thought experiment your video proposes my first criteria is that I have to own the particular guns I select. Therefore, black guns such as an AR or AK aren't even a consideration as I don't own one. Other criteria I also utilized was portability, reliability, and ammo availability. So, out of the guns I have I concluded that I would take the Lee-Enfield Jungle Carbine for a rifle, a Browning Hi-power pistol for a sidearm, and a Winchester Model 97 12 gauge for the shotgun. Not only do I think these firearms would work well for the 90 day time frame, but would work effectively over a longer time period.
As to the debate about which guns to have for the extreme long term I think it is ultimately pointless to a great extent. This is because I don't think it is going to be a return to muzzleloaders and making black powder, but a return as firearms break down and ammo becomes scarce to spears along with bows and arrows for those that have made it that far.
Excellent, excellent thoughts and choices. In the unlikely even of an "end of world" scenario, the firearm choices you made are very realistic and so is your vision for the deeper times after civilization has failed. I agree with the many people that have written me who seem to know from experience that the collapse of law and order comes far more quickly and at far greater cost than most people know or think.
Thank you for your insight and your thought provoking video, I had’t thought of the Mouser 98 as a good choice! However, with all due respect, this is one of your videos that I disagree with. The AK47 would be my single rifle choice. It has an extremely simple design, has large simple parts, it’s extremely reliable, it’s easy to operate, and it has proven itself all over the world. It addition, If I’m not mistaking there’s more AK rounds in the US than 30-06. If I could pair that with anything it would be with a reliable 22LR pistol.
Hello afshin735 - Very good points - maybe the AK is it!
I agree, but the 98 is the next one. Luckily I have both
The barrel would degrade on the Mauser. A 22lr and a pump would go a long way in my opinion. Let’s pray anarchy doesn’t break out. Excellent channel, subbed. Really enjoy your content.
Thank you Mr. Niceknife - I'm praying too.
I totally didn't see that Benelli M4 coming up! LOL!!
Hey Steven! I tried to get the M4 to jam...old shells, dirty shells, green shells ...no luck...everything cycled
Yeah, that thing looks pretty robust. ;-)
AK 47 hands down. No question. As a former Infantryman I would avoid the shotguns like the plague. Try to carry two hundred rounds of twelve gauge ammunition. Also the range question looms large in my opinion. Nice video. Thank you.
You're with the majority. Mikhail knew what he was doing!
one thing is for sure, with the amount wild pigs and guns in texas - there will be no run up on the grocery stores
Doesn’t take much here in south Texas to lose all those things when hurricanes hit. Pretty frequent.
Oh boy...that reminds me of reading about Galveston - I was a lot younger and so upset by the loss of life and devastation. For sure our luck can run out anytime and the hurricanes you get can be so brutal. Anyway, let's hope and pray.
SHTF, WROL, EOW NGHA,. Usefulness, Reliability, serviceability, parts ammo, >Weight if bugging out or wandering...Yes indeed something i put just a bit of thought into. Also try to find out round counts, what parts fail and have some of those available. Guns are aleady several use items. Food, defense and even offence if you are so inclined.
One simply has to plan for the worst. There is no choice.
Mausers for the rest of the world but in Canada, it would be the Lee Enfield. During WWII, the Eskinmos were issued Lee Enfields and .22 target pistols (more than likely Hi Standards) to not only survive in the far north but to also defend its boarder and fight the Japanese. More recently E.A.Ls and no4s were used to defend Canada's northern boarder until the rifles were replaced with Colt made Tekkas last year.
Fair enough - they seem to be unstoppable - we'll make the Lee Enfield an end rifle too. Those Lee Enfields are so undervalued right now; and they even have the box mags. Thank you.
Food for thought.
Your breakdown of this topic is awesome, thanks for this vid. Whenever I watch nature documentaries on remote tribal cultures where the folks have just 1 gun to defend the village against predators it's always 3 guns that shown up: SKS, Mausers and Enfields. Those primitive old guns never need a gunsmith and always go bang.
Great comment Blondie - you're right - those original designs in steel seem to work just about indefinitely.
I think that there are so many ar 15’s in the USA there are always parts available
THANK YOU for noting the untrained/undisciplined nature on non-vet civilians. Too many gun people try to deny that.
Good point to go for manual-actions, but I would go more for 7.62mm NATO than .30-06. More commonality.
hi the rem 870 is a great shotgun but need special tool to fix if you do have broken parts l good with a
Mossberg 500 everything easy to fix and need little or no tools just what l go with thanks
Okay - Mossberg 500 it is. You're not alone for sure.
Nightmare scenario, and you only get one gun? I have always said shotgun, always. You're gonna eat. Bird, rabbit, squirrel, deer. You can eat Grizzly, too, oh yeah. Bait 'em. Climb up a tree, wait till it finds you. As it looks up...boom... send em a fat slug or 3. You can first taunt the Griz for fun with the Popeil Mountain Lion and Bear Teaser. If you were to inadvertently drop your shotgun whilst doing that, well....that's not Popeil's fault. *We have fun here on the USOG channel.*
Would you consider a 1903A3 as good as a Mauser? Would you consider a Winchester POST 70 as good for when my life depended on it? Thanks
Hello Jose - The Mauser is superior to the Springfield and the and Post 64 Model 70 is inferior to the Springfield. Hope this helps.
Awesome thanks 👍
3 or 4 great dependable guns (don’t forget at least one or two handguns) Ammo ammo and more ammo. Water, food, medical supplies and family with select friends. A positive attitude and perhaps a taste of whiskey to celebrate the end of another day survived. Best to all.
I like the "a taste of whiskey to celebrate another day survived" something about that line sticks. Makes me think of new movie or book. A Taste of Whiskey by Deano. All the best my friend.
I must respectfully disagree with the choice to have a bolt action rifle as your only rifle. I wouldn't want to be traveling and get jumped by several people if I only had a bolt gun. In the US there are so many people with AR and AK type rifles if yours breaks I think you'd be able to get parts as easily as a Mauser 98. I feel as though a semi auto rifle would be a better choice against multiple assailants. However I do agree with you that semi autos are far more fragile than bolt guns.
You mentioned your Sumatran friend and his 870. I am interested in this story (if there is one). Is it hard to get guns in his village so everyone shares this 870 to hunt? Is shooting this 870 a right of passage for villagers because everyone else has done it? Why this 870?
Thank you for another great video.
Hi Jake - good comments - thank you. Not an easy video for sure as I wasn't sure of time frames. As I mentioned - for the first "while" semi's would rule but as time goes they'll diminish, partly due to breakage and partly due to ammo. Some people are writing me and suggesting black powder guns will be the way to go - after the rest fail or run out of ammo. Some people make their own black powder etc... Sounds about right. As for the Sumatran - they seemed to have various guns and probably either have none now or many more - I'm not sure. Anyway, not much of a story - just an old 870 that seemed to be used by all - not even sure if it was legal for them to have. I've run into a Marlin 39 in the far North that was about the same - even had some kind of snowshoe gut wrapped around the barrel and magazine tube since the screw was gone. That rifle was "in the white" from use as well - and worked perfectly for anyone. Anyway, the 870 was much like a spade or a hatchet - no right of passage that I knew of. All the best.
Thank you for the lengthy, thoughtful reply. I enjoy the stories behind worn, and well used firearms. Everyone has said "if only this gun could talk" I have a few family heirloom guns that have interesting pasts. My Win 94 32 spl was bought by my father's father with his first paycheck from the steel mill in 1954 I believe, I still have the box. The finish is well worn, a hairline crack is present in the forearm but the gun is very accurate. I have my mother's father's Win 12 in 12 gauge. He bought it used at 17 hunted with it often, it is also well worn and after a break in it was the only gun left. There are a few more but I think I made my point on my interest in worn guns still in use. And all the best to you.
'In the US there are so many people with AR and AK type rifles if yours breaks I think you'd be able to get parts as easily as a Mauser 98"
MUCH EASIER THAN FOR MAUSER 98.
For every 1 Mauser 98 in the US, there are 1000 AR-15.
For every one round of 8x57, there are 100,000 rounds of 223/5.56.
And more importantly, a group with bolt actions or lever actions or pumps is not going to survive a single engagement with a similar or even smaller group with semis. ALL armies which could switched out of bolt actions during WW2 for a reason, even to machine pistols - manuals are not nearly competitive other than in long range (500m+) sniping, and old sht like Mauser 98s are not even competitive at that as they are not free-floated.
How’d you get that SA20? I swore they were Canadian only, unless you’ve been secretly Canadian the entire time (blasphemy!)!
Thanks for writing. One can get just about anything. I should have said more about other black rifles but didn't want to stray from the subject.
Benelli barrels have cryogenic treated barrels. Glock pistols barrels are ferratic Nitrocarborized and last longer. Both of these weapons will last longer and have fewer movi g parts. Ak47 and ar 15 will fail. If you went with a black gun it will be something like a 805 bren or 806 bren. The 805 is a NATO rifle. The cz p-01 is also a NATO hand gun. Those weapons go through stringent NATO testing and also ade given a NATO serial number. However the glock handguns barrel it treated. Agree on the 22lr idea. But you will need more service intervals. The Remington shotgun will fail it uses typical steel alloy it's a smart gun although I can see your angle. Parts availability. Shotgun would be a defense mechanism. If this is the case, use the keltec ksg. Simple design 15 plus one three quarter inch rounds of 00 buck shot pump action. No spring to wear out. Keltec makes a shorter version.
I'll have to look up the 805. I've handled the KSG but only for a few moments - very interesting. Thanks for writing.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns very, im a cz guy and just picked up a sonoran in 270. the barrel is chrome lined then the whole barrel and action is ferratic nitro-carborized except the bolt. the bolt is high quality, 19mm dovetails, they are currently on clearance. discontinued and the sonoran name high long range comb designed on the manners stock. metal follower plastic cover underneath. very durable Rockwell hardness of 72. there is a few cz videos on you tube. the rifle will be much more durable then what might be a good end of world scenerio and also a good long gun to have in the collection. the 805 has a much better fit and finish piston driven i believe the barrel is chrome lined and as with all cz rifles, the barrels are lapped no break in needed. the 556 round does come in the steel core xm855 for 1/4 in. pennetration. end of world scenerio, using a piston 805 platform design , check out some extreeme youtube videos operating this short piston design. short piston for faster semi auto operation. zero feed issues being the nato tested long gun. nato testing uses a method pushing through thousands of rounds to exceed a typical long gun limits. alot of ar 15 uses blow back gas impingement destined for failure for a 800 dollar average mediocre design. mil spec cheap i dislike the charge handle on the rear. i prefer the 805 reciprocating handle on the side. i believe the 806 will have a quick release system but the 805 may have updated magazines to address that issue if i remember correctly. the scar h is also very nice but will not have the nato stamp.
although the 805 is a nato long gun, the 805 s1 is a civilian version, i believe will have the same fit and finish using the same parts with some mechanical changed being a civilian variant
Hello German Shepherd - thank you for all of this info. I should look at the 805 more carefully. CZs are superb - just as you say.
I grew up with 98 Mauser works all the time , works every time.. 30-06 I don't feel is needed ammo is heavy and bulky . Mine is 6mm . Shotgun I can see and understand its use to defend yourself and loved ones , but leaving your shelter with one which I'm not sure I would because ammo is too bulky and heavy.. A handgun I would carry in .22 LR. ammo light enough that a 550 round brick fits right into my pack. .22 rifle would be good choice.. AR or AK not for me.. Bolt gun and a good lever gun say Win. 94 or Marlin 336 or 1895 I would add and I own a Marlin , lever guns worked fine for over 100. Years not a problem .. .22 handgun , .22 rifle, bolt centerfire and lever gun .. Shotgun still iffy for me. Great topic. Folder knife, fixed blade knife of good quality would be a must.
wow !!! the model 98 Mauser over the Remington 700 that's interesting
Thank you sir for mentioning what those of us who have used these black rifles in a combat situation know - they will eventually fail. The Mauser 98 is (pardon the pun) "bullet proof". They were designed as an instrument of war which had to have a level of durability, accuracy and ease of use . The rifles were designed to outlast the soldier and the war. Today we have few that are on par with it. Certainly not any of today's "budget rifles".
A few people wrote me wondering why there isn't and arms limitation treaty restricting all armed forces to bolt actions. Apparently there are all kinds of agreements limiting all kinds of weapons; the people suggest - why not military small arms. Just sharing some thoughts that are out there.
its so easy to get drawn into this way of "fanatic" or panicky thinking..but really all you have to do is go somewhere where people do not ordinarily go. Fringe areas, islands, deserts, cold places that is where competition is probably less and people are maybe more likely to stick together and help each other out....even if you are in LA you are not automatically f...ed if you dont have a streetsweeper of some kind in your pocket...so maybe thinking of guns when planning of the ultimate scenario is not the first and most important thing...just a thought!
I like that. I like your thinking.
Yes good pick, the mauser will be reliable,durable and effective for the long haul. It will excel if your target is behind cover-8mm or 30-06 will go through 1" a36 steel with ap rounds- bird shot will bounce off a thin car door. Also a side arm would be a must also for a multitude of reasons perhaps that could be another video. great vid thank you
You need to also consider what part of the world you’re in.
If you live in an area that has dangerous 4 legged animals you’d want something with power to deal with them.
In my neck of the woods I would use a 30-30, 22LR bolt rife , 12 gauge pump shotgun and a 38 revolver. The ammunition for them can be found anywhere.
My Model 94 in 30-30 has a 26” barrel with a tang sight. I can hit a 6” round pie plate from 250 yards with it. That’s more than one would need anyway.
You’re not going to engage a two legged critter at 250 yards. You’re best decision is to put more distance between you and them. Your role is survival and evasion not combat. Your rifle should be used when avoidance is not possible.
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Great video.
I always tell people to think of the most available ammo and those are the guns you should own if SHTF.
Examples:
12ga.
9mm
223/556
308 or 30-06
At least for North America these calibers are abundant, so it would be easy to obtain ammo one could use.
To me one of the greatest handguns to own if SHTF, if you can get one. The Medusa because it can shoot 27 different calibers.
Just one man's opinion.
I agree Thomas - ammo is the key. I'll read about the Medusa. Thanks for the note.
USOG The Medusa is a revolver.
That only applies if you buy it cheap and stack it deep when it is available. 9mm and 5.56 are also now the first to disappear from shelves. 12 ga seems stable and there are ways to improve bird shot for other uses.
I think a better question would have been what rifle or shotgun would you like in an extreme emergency situation where you know order will eventually be restored but things are very hectic for a limited amount of time. Like LA Riots, Flooding in New Orleans, or whatever in the world is going on in Venezuela right now. I like your two picks of a Remington 870 or a Mauser. Plenty of knock down power in both of them. They are both big weapons that scream DO NOT MESS with me! I really like the CZ 577 Range Rifle which is unfortunately only sold in Canada. I don't think anything will ever go wrong with that rifle. Wish I could buy one. :(
Hi Patrick - Solid thinking. The CZ Range Rifle is just another push feed with a hi capa mag for a bolt. I still like the Mauser - feed as you you go - no issues no jams - works in 2019 and works in 2099. Maybe just me. Have a great weekend!
M48, high power, m1 carbine with new springs, good luck boys lol
Well if we're talking in forever timeframe we can take a que from Cubans keeping 30's 40's & 50's cars running. Meaning if parts r tough to come by we'll be making them. Shitty quality? Probably but when that's your only option well then u make one or barter for the guy that welds to help u out.
you did not mention what kind of hand gun one might pick for this topic...so ill go ahead and recommend a good colt 1911-1911a1 parts are common the design is reliable if you have a quality pistol!
Yes - I agree - the 1911 is ideal and the Beretta 92 - a few people wrote me and said the number of guns out there is important - just as you say about the 1911 - apparently the 92 also has a few million copies in circulation for parts etc... there may be others - I'm not sure.