I swear they will remove that next. Like there's no reason to do it, it may as well stay there, but it would slightly piss off older players so Masuda wont be able to resist cutting more options. I'd say he definitely gets off on it at this point.
Pokémon is a very good example of how too much streamlining and 'quality of life' 'improvements' can hurt a game more than it can help. You end up stripping away some of the franchises identity for the sake of mass appeal or inclusivity.
How to get rid of exp share without modding: 1. Put your copy of BDSP in your switch 2. Turn off your Switch 3. Open your DS or Emulator. 4. Play Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum. :D
@@AlejandroRodriguez-cy8ee Yeah but the set up was more complicated than "go into menu and press right", and AFAIK you couldn't just skip Cynthia with it.
This is something a streamer said when playing BD recently. "Of course pokemon now have tons of passive buffs you can't control because according to Nintendo kids will get bored or frustrated if they lose, BUT having to slather trees with honey, waiting 6 real time hours and see if a tree got that rare pokemon they are looking for is so much fun for them!"
There’s also a fun little thing with the “other RPGs have forced exp” argument and it’s that most of them usually have 3 to 4 party members out in battle at ONCE vs Pokémon where 90% of all battles are 1v1s. This is actually an important distinction for why it’s okey in other RPGs as in their cases, there are more instances where the individual party members are active at once and in many instances most obstacles in those other RPGs tend to have certain mechanics where a single universal brute force strategy is not enough to beat the entire game which makes party wide experience more acceptable. With Pokémon, most obstacles can be brute forced effortlessly with a high powered super effective attack so theirs basically no incentive to ever consider switching to use other Pokémon most of the time when you can one shot the opponent outright.
A good traditional RPG gives each character a defined role, so if you have more party members than there are active party slots, you want the benched members to keep up so that the player can tag them in when they would be useful. Pokemon does not encourage the same level of experimentation in the story mode, they just straight up tell you which of your attacks are advantageous these days and make it even easier for you to steamroll the opponent. Pokemon have differing stats and moves, but it barely matters in casual play. The fine strategy in Pokemon is reserved for PvP, which most RPGs do not have to account for to be fair, but that does not mean that the campaign should always be babbys first RPG easy mode. Casual players probably never make it this far either because team prep is boring, a massive pain in the ass, and you have no incentive to interact with the breeding mechanics at all during normal progression. I think that Pokemon switching to mainly double battles would be a good step, because you actually have to worry about team synergy a lot more so it opens up room for strategic play over facerolling the boss battles with a type advantage exclusively. Balancing exp and giving options are a whole 'nother can of worms to be dealt with, but you gotta take things one step at a time.
Gotta love the doublespeak from Game Freak: "We considered adding a way to turn off the Exp. Share, but then we remembered there is already a much more complicated and time consuming way to solo train, so we just left it. That would be more intuitive. Trust us." It would be less insulting if they just told fans to piss off and stop nagging them because they simply can't be assed.
GF didnt make the game, ILCA did. Plus, when we could turn it off, everyone stinkin whined about it. Thats on u guys for constantly complaining about it when it was never an issue
@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 3:55 This is the quote I'm talking about, which is from Shigeru Ohmori, a lead director and developer at Game Freak, being interviewed about Pokemon Sword and Shield. I am not even talking about BDSP, but the fact that they followed the trend set in previous games says that they are probably following the same dumb logic. No one nagged Game Freak into removing optional Exp. Share. If they had, there wouldn't now be a huge number of people asking for the feature back. Like you said, it was never an issue until it was removed.
@@rangergrey7236 Because everyone stinkin whined about it when we COULD turn it off when theres literally an item (Lucky Egg) that does the same thing.
@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 Im not simping, its true, the Lucky Egg is basically the old Exp Share, so u could just turn off the Exp Share and just slap LE onto the mon u want
@@firenze6478 Oh maybe that theres an item called the Lucky Egg that does the exact same thing as the old Exp Share (talking about Pre-Gen 8)? And it was removed cuz everyone still stinkin whined about it when we could turn it off
@@RiahGreen Only 2 games cuz theres an item thats basically the old Exp Share so u could turn the new Exp Share off and still get Exp for 1 pkmn Edit: I was wrong about the LE acting like the old Exp Share
@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 I don’t remember there being any controversy in the lucky egg nor do I appreciate you assuming that I whined about it. Also what does this have yo do with them making the broken exp share untogglable?
Best case scenario is being able to toggle which Pokemon are affected by the exp share. So you can turn it off for all or make it so only low level mons you want to train up like what the exp share used to be like
In older games you could do this by buying/finding multiple EXP Shares, but it split the EXP between the Pokemon, so each one would get a marginal amount of EXP.
@@dland6616 Which is stupid it was even a hated feature. They tried to let u be able to turn it off and have an item (Lucky Egg) that functions as the old Exp Share But guess what? Everyone still whined about it, so thats on yall for whining 24/7 when it wasnt even an issue
@@TheunknownuserM07 No it wasnt, stop trying to crap on anything they do. Im not saying theyre perfect or blindly like their decisions but dangit, crapping on a QOL feature 24/7 when we could turn it off is so stinkin annoying
@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 wait what do you mean the lucky egg acts like the old expirence share? Doesn't it just let the pokemon holding it gain more EXP?
Back before EXP share was an option I enjoyed having it on most of the time because I always had multiple low leveled Pokemon that I wanted to train at once. But not giving me the option especially when doing another play through just takes all the fun out of it. It just takes all the attachment you get to your Pokemon away from you, they get leveled up by doing nothing and you never get to have any meaningful battles with them. They just feel like lines of code instead of real companions you made on your journey. Pokemon really did lose their Heart and Soul a long time ago.
I will never understand why in newer Pokémon games they want to limit a player’s options to this extent, like why is an already easy game serious need to be dumbed down even more? I played bdsp and the fact I had to make a second team to be on par with the elite four just from the exp system is absurd. Oh and don’t get me started on the friendship and happiness mechanic in this game😅
🤔 Aren't you supposed to beat powerful enough to beat the elite four? Compared to other jrpgs, I don't see over leveling as a problem. A good solution would be Final fantasy 8 type of leveling
@@javaruscarstarphen4062 ideally you’d be like 5-15 levels under so they are stronger for sure but can be beaten with strategy.instead at best you match their level and at worst exceed it
The hardest part of brilliant diamond was avoiding trainers so my Pokémon don’t become over levelled as a result of the exp share. I failed doing this so the game was piss easy and boring.! Words can’t describe how tedious and unrealistic it is to have to put the Pokémon you don’t want getting the exp into your pc which is the advice the creators gave for this exp share problem.
One way around this is putting your Pokemon in boxes. Not ideal, but thankfully you have box access almost everywhere. I will say that even with the same team of Pokemon, and battling every trainer, I was still underlevelled for the pokemon league because the level pacing is kind of bad.
I actually liked the grinding. It made the term "Pokemon trainer" make more sense. It may be frustrating at times but of course even in real life a journey is never all happy and easy and when I win battles it usually pays off.
Most people will not believe me once again, but I don't really care. On my first playthrough my Pokemon were low lvl 60 after I defeated Cyrus on Mt. Coronet, I didn't really do much besides fighting every trainer along, and grinding team members up to the same lvl as the rest of my team, and yet I got overleveled. Then I started a new playthrough due to my overleveled team, and this time I strictly fought every single trainer along, and nothing else. The second time I was at mid to high lvl 50. How can it be that no matter what I do, I get completely overleveled because of this stupid exp. share, and I don't even get the option to turn it off?
That is everyone's playthrough. Idk how you can avoid getting over leveled, unless you purposely keep catching new pokemon and box the party 'mons. Having to avoid trainers is not okay.
I just... I don't understand why there's such a discourse surrounding the Exp.Share's implementation. The Exp.Share we now know was optional when it was first introduced in X/Y, I don't understand why restoring that option is a bad thing? Not to mention it's not even a difficult thing to program, have it on by default and it'll function the same as it does now but people can toggle it on/off as they please. Level scaling isn't an issue, if someone is turning the Exp. Share off then they're either wanting a challenge or they're over levelled. It's silly not to include the option but this is the same company who think putting accessibility options behind random NPC's is totally fine.
I would prefer that instead of forcing me to have the EXP Share on at all times, why not let me choose who I wanna give that exp instead?, so I get to decide if I wanna use it to raise everyone’s levels at once, let the newcomer and only the newcomer catch up, or keep the current sweeper from getting too strong and give the exp to the ones falling behind, or just have it turned off and whoever fought gets the exp
I hate that even though I am avoiding battles, I am already like 12-14 levels above everyone just before 3rd gym? There is no strategy/typing at all when I one hit KO everything! Can’t even catch Pokémon properly! This is broken and needs urgently a fix!
@@kagemara277 it sucks when you add a weaker member to your team later on. Take my Hipopotas for example, lvl. 22. The rest of my team were in 40's when I caught it. With EXP toggle, I'd put it in the lead like usual, with the rest of my team backing it up if necessary. Without toggle, my team ended in 50's by the time Hippowdon got to 40's. I ended up depositing the rest of them for a while until the gap was closer.
@@justinnyugen7015 yes. it's very clunky to have to separate your entire team from a new party addition just to get them all to the same level. I will never understand the decision to take away a perfectly logical exp share toggle
Bdsp could have been my favourite 3D Pokemon games, but there’s so many small things that add up and mark it down, mainly forced exp share that made me avoid battles to not over level or keep switching my team out, the forced affection bonuses that you have to force feed Karen’s herbs to stop it, and following Pokemon not only being bad the second game in a row, but increasing the before mentioned affection rate. The best part, they’re all things past games have done better. I still really like these games, but I don’t love them, which is a shame because I really wanted to. I appreciate the harder boss fights, but it’s kinda ruined by a misplay I do going unpunished by my Pokemon hanging on or curing a status condition. It rewards sloppy play and doesn’t encourage you to learn how to get better.
A slider for affection bonuses would be great. I love the idea of the affection focus sash, the frequency is just a tad strong. An anti crit would be hype, make it 1/16 or something
focus sash maybe okay but healing by itself, crits wishing to be praised, or can miss opponent 100 acc attack is whole another anime friendship power joke
Yeah this is pretty on point...this game simultaneously has great details and features but also really shitty flaws. Can't wait for people to talk about how it's underrated or whatever in like 3-5 years
@@xlbthedemigod5662 Hell we're probably going to see that long-awaited "Ultimate Pokemon Experience" made eventually, now that the Pokemon gameplay architecture has been made for Unity. It's now a matter of modders to rebuild the maps of the other regions and linking them together in a way that logistically makes sense.
Platinum is and will always be the superior game- short of literally turning the games into platinum, thats not really gonna change. I mean they didnt even put in the Distortion World for fucks sake. Of all the things, that would have be the coolest experience and greatest place for them to stretch out and do something beautiful and different, just like how the distortion world was back then
There's also the more obvious issue with the "other JRPGs share exp!" argument: In most singleplayer Pokemon battles you only have one Pokemon out at a time. In most JRPGs you have a party of 3 or 4 battling at the same time. It makes sense to have a shared experience system when you are expected to use multiple people to win.
And that's why the game Should be balanced so you received in based on how many party members ex : You have a full party? You'll get 1/200 of the exp I don't get why we Shouldn't have this
I dream of a day when the exp share has the options to COMPLETELY customize the exp distribution. For example: -off: only the fighting pokemon get exp -equal: every pokemon get the same amount of exp -personalised: can choose what percentage of exp each pokemon get
@@UltraAryan10 The main reason I want them is so I can use as many settings as I can to make gym battles similar to competitive Pokemon battles. A party size cap is another setting that'd be neat to have, but I can live without. It'd feel cool to unlock additional party slots though
As a game developer bdsp is a stark reason why I don’t like this industry anymore it’s littered with laziness and just general ignorance mostly on behalf of the higher ups that make shtty decisions like this and it hurts even more bc platinum is one of the many games that inspired me to get into game development
Some of those people also never EV trained a Pokémon in THEIR LIFE... With the new Exp. share EVERY pokémon gains the EV from the battle, so if you wanted your Ferroseed with zero in speed but fought a Rattata with it on the 6th slot, well... you have now a Ferroseed with 1 EV on speed that could have gone to other stat. Granted, the new PC system is also a EASY-turner for this new games but wasting time moving pokémon from and through the PC is the same amount of cumbersome than togling something ON and OFF but with extra steps.
@@justwantawholename adding a lot some times is bad (not always) I would love to see what come from them if given the chance. Wasn't hd 2D BW? If I'm not wrong that generation could be played in HD without any filter on emulators and still holds its own against 6th and current generations.
HARD AGREE. This is probably one of the lousiest aspects of not being able to turn it off, especially since the remakes have *gym leaders* with EV trained mons. Like, the game is legitimately acknowledging that EV training is important, and you can't go through the game without stacking up random EVs on your entire team. Sure, BDSP has unlimited vitamins now so training is no big deal (although they could have just... Brought back horde battles? I don't know why they keep scrapping good mechanics from previous games.) but you still need the friendship berries to erase those old EVs in the first place, and those, unlike vitamins, have to be grown, and the in-game clock prohibits the use of time-travel to expedite berry growth. It's bonkers that games like XY had some really great ways to EV train a Pokemon in mere minutes and now it's like, alright lads, grind for cash, buy up those dank pharmaceuticals from Veilstone, and just force-feed your team steroids to get them ready for competitive battling. Gonna be honest and say this is the first Pokemon game I've purchased on the Switch, so I can't speak about Let's Go or SwSh, but I had a good time in XY and SuMo even if I had a few gripes. Probably because there still felt like a modicum of choice presented to the player.
Thats generally why they defend it. Because they don't train pokemon for specific outcomes, they just want to sit in a chair and stream them just casually coasting through the game, making it simple that they can meme off of it rather than invest in it. Its why I hate when games are being made to fit the laziness of a casual majority if it means removing features they don't understand.
"It would be better to [force a player to box their entire party to achieve the same effect of turning the exp. Share off]" ??? SIR. If I'm boxing my entire party, I'm essentially 1v(up to 6)ing EVERYTHING. NO, it's not the same effect??!?
@@M3rtyville I know right. I just love how that was like the one thing they stayed "faithful" with. The thing that pisses everyone off. Like if we wanted the OG TM system for better game balance then it's as simple as purposely not teaching your entire party the broken TMs, that way hardcore players can have restraint for a harder time and casual players can go nuts and teach everyone Earthquake. But that would involve a tiny player imposed form of _options!_ We don't want those horrible things in our "faithful" remake! But no, the super intrusive, unavoidable and game breaking Exp Share and affection system need to be forcefully shoved up our ass with zero consent or easy way around it. The "faithful" thing was basically a really shitty, inconsistent excuse they transparently kept using to hand wave really stupid design decisions, they just immediately forget it when it's convenient.
I'm one that wishes they went back to the held item version. The old games were balanced around that option existing if you went out of your way to get them and helped get weaker members up to speed without compromising the stronger ones in the process. If they really wanted to, they could have just named the toggle for everyone to gain experience the Exp. All after the Gen 1 item while the held item version would stay as Exp. Share for players like me.
Exp. Share hold item would actually be much more balanced with the new exp. mechanics since Gen 6 which gives 100% exp to all participating pokemon and in turn will give 100% to the exp share holder as well making it a good general item rather than for specific cases.
not to mention, many RPG's that boost the entire party lets the entire party participate in battle. Not all the Pokemon participate in battle thus its not the same thing when they all get the EXP Boost.
Most JRPGs don't have competitive play, so you're not expected to actually build stats for any reason other than completing the story. The characters are just there to be a party and rarely if ever outside of pokemon treated as customizable individuals. Pokemon is the only JRPG I can think of where each potential party member is treated as an individual, in and outside of the story intent.
Anohter thing about Exp Share in Pokemon and most ohters JRPG´s is that, most Partys in ohter JRPG´s also need ohter ways and managment to gain strengh, like Skill Tree´s, Gear/Weapons, Stats increase training and more. Your typical JRPG requires more than just leveling your characters, there is more depth in those. A normal Pokemon Playthrough doesnt rely on things like EV´s or Held Items. You can simply ignore those and still beat the game with no problem.
I wish we were able to go back to the pre-gen6 exp share. I really liked how you were able to passively train one specific Pokemon so that it didn't have to fight but leave the rest of the team untouched. This was really handy for when you caught a new mon that was way weaker than everything else.
To make everyone happy we could have a pre-gen6 xp share that you get early on, like after the first gym, after that you get a *super xp share* (i'd say around gym 3 or 4) that acts like the one from gen 6, it's a key item that grants xp to every member of the team (if turned on).
See, but the heads of Gamefreak already have a solution for you: you simply box every mon that shouldn't get exp. This also helps with creating a bond with your Pokémon team, as you travel the world together, you know
@@alexbrown8900 no I'm not serious, I had hoped the sarcasm is obvious 🙈 I guess I did see worse arguments from some fans that weren't being sarcastic though... It's really crazy that anyone would defend this
I've also never heard this in any arguments in favor of Exp Share toggle, but it really should be brought up. The Exp Share mechanic is actually sharing EVs (as well as experience) across the player's party. For those who are trying to raise a diverse team (and especially for those trying to raise a COMPETITIVE, diverse team), this can be HIGHLY problematic. I've had pokemon in modern games that never see the light of day (never entered in a battle from the moment they're hatched) end up FULLY EV TRAINED because of the Exp Share. Nevermind the fact that the EVs are in places I never wanted them to be so I have to use friendship berries or the sand spellcaster in IoA to fix this. (Thank god for paying more irl money along with additional in-game currency to fix a problem, amirite?) In terms of the "other JRPG" argument, other JRPGs don't have an EV system that influences growth. So there is that, in addition to other points I've noticed being brought up.
It takes a bit of time, but XY did somewhat have a solution to that. In Super Training you could get reset bags that reset all EVs, then immediately use Super Training to give your pokemon the EVs you want. Unfortunately, I think the reset bag is one of the bags you randomly get for tapping on the default punching bag for a bit, but still better than having to use tons of berries imo.
Is funny how 2 mechanics that were perfectly fine on X & Y, the exp share was toggable, and the affection was separate from happiness and optional, are now the worst parts of each game just because they remove the option to say no. They took the worst parts of X Y for future games which is baffling.
I bet they didn't improve on the battle animations either! But fanboys are going out of their way to defend these games anyway just becouse it's Pokemon, and these games will continue to get WAY more sales than other games that have actual effort put into them, becouse again, it's Pokemon. At this rate, I'm done with Pokemon. Whenever I go back to playing a Pokemon game, I'll just be sticking to playing something from the DS era instead, or at the very least, the 3DS era since even if it's not as good as the DS era, it at least had effort put into it unlike the Switch era for Pokemon that has nothing but games that are 60-dollar cash grabs.
yea i just need to think of how in-depth i want to go. i think i would cover more of the pokemon modding side of things as opposed to modding the switch itself since there are plenty of guides for that out there already
Really appreciate your work in pushing back against the Pokemon fandom who cheers the removal of optional features from 15 years ago. How far the games have fallen.
@@xlbthedemigod5662 Lack of polish? Fucking Gen 4 had void glitches and cute charm allowed to fucking farm shinies. Gen 6 had exploits that allowed a non hacked console to have generated Pokémon. How much of a brunch of ignorants can you be.
I cannot begin to understand why a person would argue against having options for people who like different things to them. It just doesn't make any sort of sense why having the option to do something would make someone upset.
Man, after completing sacred gold/storm silver pokedex, i can still remember the pain of grinding exp in victory road, training my 6 pokémons to reach level 60 because they were under 50 because i thought lance would use 3 Dragonites lv 60 lmao, i had to use lucky egg instead of exp share to finish the training. I once forgot to save the game, i had to grind again...
The fact this is even a controversy shows everything wrong with Twitter, the Pokémon fandom and some of the things wrong with the entertainment industry as a whole. Why would anyone defend taking away a player's options? How brainwashed do you have to be?
Imo, the only place the current exp share has besides an easy mode toggle is something you’d get post game when grinding to get certain moves for certain Pokémon, or training Pokémon you’ve bred to be up to snuff
I was one of the people who was really hype when the exp-all came out in X/Y. I love the idea! But I also hated that they removed the option to toggle it off.
I found it really weird how the balancing for the whole game was too much a breeze until the elite 4 and champ that they decide to put up a challenge like I was always accidentally overleveled for gym leaders because of the experience share and how busted it was. Until the elite 4 actually had competent move sets and items that actually made the game more interesting and I was surprised I was having to actually do some competitive plays or cheese some wins for them.
Pokemon fans: "I hate level grinding, it is so tedious and boring!" Also Pokemon fans: "Cannot wait to spend several days resetting for this slightly different coloured Pokemon! HELL YEAH!!"
@@cyberbitterdragon Grinding in some games can reward the player for going out of there way for do something tedious with a rare item or special equipment. Grinding in Pokemon is nonexistent. You only need to grind if you're trash at Pokemon.
Casual players want the game to be: if (pokemon type beats theirs) { one shot for free; } Individually training pokemon is fun and actually challenging. Every pokemon growing for free without ever using them is lame and makes 0 sense. Immersion breaker. They get to the levels of their strong moves that oneshot and you never had to actually earn victories against wild pkmn/ trainers. old XP share was super useful when you get an egg/super underleveled pokemon. it can catch them up to the pokemon at your stage of the game without having to fly back to earlier routes to train them and halt your progress. Also training pokemon earns them EV's and giving them to the whole party can kinda screw with that, giving all your pokemon similar ev distributions. I know the average player definitely wont play with Ev's in mind, thats sort of a minor nitpick. Theres just no reason for it to not be optional.
Even Fire Emblem had the common sense to make casual mode optional, as well as providing multiple dificulty options, some of which are very hard, like Lunatic mode.
Again...you can set many other options in the games, giving you autonomy and an optimal experience...but you can't set the thing that *used to have a toggle* as well because...Game Freak logic and their tone deaf and out of touch "KiDs ArE tOo BuSy, LaZy, AnD sTuPiD." philosophy. Oh and...that's just Twitter for you, man. They had to REALLY dig deep for their unironically self-entitled and obtuse excuses to defend something so indefensible...when they are confused at what is being argued about it in the first place! I bet the smooth brains making those "arguments" in defense of the dreaded execution of this thing have a Sword and Shield in their bio. There's a reason I call them "tweetards".
Temtem actually gives you all three options: classic EXP Share (Coward's Cloak), modern-day exp share (Coward's Blanket) and you don't have to use exp share at all in Temtem.
I will never understand why any game developer EVER would want to force their entire fanbase to play their game in a specific way. Isn't the point of Pokémon all about choice anyways? Isn't that why they've created over 800 of them??
Let's Go was lame, Sw/Sh was annoying. Bd/Sp are insulting. This is the THIRD time. But hey, maybe the 30$ Platinum Dlc (two separate Dlcs for both games of course) will allow you to just toggle a byte on and off.
Yah, the Switch era for Pokemon has been terrible! Especailly considering that the games costs $60. The 3DS era may have started to give the franchise some major problems that the DS era games didn't, but the Switch era is when Pokemon REALLY started to go downhill!
Looking forward to the first impressions video, personally I really love the game although I do wish they improved a couple things. Some E4/Gym Leaders like Flint and Volkner should've had their Platinum teams. Especially Flint because having him abuse Driftblim harder than Verlisify wasn't very fun. I would've also liked changes to the Safari zone, particularly the frustrating binoculars "minigame". Maybe making it a bit more like the HGSS Safari Zone. Oh and Traps missing in the Grand Underground sucked.
I used to complain about this xp share for years, non-stop! LOL But working my job and being so busy, I actually have to appreciate it! I stand by the fact an on and off switch should've been added but.. I find it so damn convenient! XD
Same here. My only issue with the permanent Exp Share is that the difficulty does not scale up to compensate for the amount of levels your team gets, making the mid to late game too easy. It seems as if they designed the games and forgot to take the Exp Share into consideration when setting up the difficulty. Had they done that, maybe the permanent Exp Share wouldn't be an issue.
@@shadowhunter122 I was aware of that, I went for a team of 12 mons myself, whenever some are slightly above the level curve, I'll swap them for others. Since the box is always at your access, it does it's job lol
I do kind of miss having to do it the old fashioned way, on one hand training up a new member of your team as the player helps with growing fond of that new member, but on a more practical side, it helps in seeing how well that pokemon would perform seeing the ends and outs of it through multiple battles to see if it's worth keeping or if you're new it could help you get more familar with their advantages and disadvantages. And while that can still be done even with the presence of the EXP share, honestly at that point you could probaly get by with not having to really ever use nothing but your 'favorite' main Pokemon and the others just coast on by like boxed mons that can gain exp. And while that's fine if people wana play like that, there are people who don't and it wouldn't hurt to have the option for those who don't.
Another issue I have with the EXP Share is that it used to be an equipable item meant to be used on one pokemon at a time, though I think in some games it may have been possible to get more transferred in from other games. Not only would it help to restore the ability to toggle it off but also to toggle which pokemon in your party it does and doesn't apply to now that it's a feature that applies to the whole party rather than a held item. It's a shame to see a once well liked training tool turned into such a persistent inconvenience that can no longer properly serve its original function.
Honestly I genuinely like the experience share as it works these days, I think it was a change that made the games more fun for me. But I really do wish it had been something you can toggle, even if I believe my playstyle to be the most common one it takes almost no effort to appeal to certain other playstyles too.
It's sad how, despite following the exact same formula since its origins, Pokémon used to try and add something new to the base to change the experience. Now all they're doing is removing as much things as they can under the excuse of making the game more friendly towards casual players, ignoring that what makes Pokémon fun is the option to play it the way you want to play. It's also unsettling how a boolean in the source code cannot be toggled at all and was intentionally left there.
Okay honestly, the perfect XP share to me is three toggle modes: On: Front mon gets 100%, back gets 50% (I also think this is in BDSP already) Lite: Front mon gets 100%, back gets 25% Off: Front gets 100% I like the XP share, I just feel it is too strong and the game isn't balanced around it, but this feels like the perfect lazy design work-around. Which like, lacking and easy fixes should be in character and should be present.
Basic Reading comprehension is hard to come by in General (well more so at twitter but still :P ). I never NEVER will understand why people are AGAINST options when it comes to entertainment.
Although agreeing with your point, your presentation helped me realize yet something else: *You have a Shiny Metang in your team, and that is the POKEMON I was hunting in my original Platinum game, the one I opened a few days ago and wondered why I left in a large patch of tall grass. Obviously I was shiny hunting, but couldn't recall why.* So, thank you :)
And one of the things that makes the Exp Share so different nowadays is that experience isn't split evenly across all who gain it anymore. Even before it became forced from LGPE onwards, X and Y's revamps made it so that any Pokemon who directly participates in the battle gets 100% of the yield while anyone getting it through the Exp Share earns 50%. Even Gen I's Exp All system split the load amongst everyone in the party. And on the subject of grinding, I miss being able to earn EVs through Exp Share. It made things a lot easier if you've got multiple Pokemon that need a boost in the same stat.
One counter argument that I was strange that I didn't see you bring up in regards to people saying other games have shared EXP is that those games are balanced around that fact. Pokemon is not.
It would be also cool a option to still have the exp share on, but the exp is divided to the party with 50% exp Reduction compared to the pokemon that got the kill
Then there’s also people who say “just box them” which ya that works but it’s just a bandaid for a problem that shouldn’t be there in the first place when it hasn’t been one in previous gens
My main issue with modern exp share is ev training Sure i like the modern exp share when grinding for levels however when trying to ev train its horrible since evs getting passed along with exp in modern exp share i might as well not have any more pokemon until ik i can find pokemon to ev train off of Which as you state we shouldnt have to box our pokemon when it can be a option and was a option til they removed it and only give stupid reasons why
I don't understand these fanboys at all. All people want are options that are completely 100% reasonable and are 1000% in the realms of possibilities for the devs. A simple on/off feature that even a intern can program. We simply want to play the game we want too. Also I don't understand how people have a problem with grinding in Pokemon mainly because there is no grinding. You've never needed to grind just to be able to complete the games. If you fight the regular trainers you have more than enough experience to beat the game. Unless you're doing a self imposed challenge or are purposely handicapping yourself, or you're training up a new Pokemon late game you've never needed to grind in any Pokemon game. Plus in DPP you have the Vs Seeker to rechallenge trainers.
Also, it's not like you HAVE TO mantain disabled the experience chare forever, you can easily shorten grind sesions with that object but use it when not. Not to mention exp. share is very suboptimal for specialized training, which would not be an issue if the football minigame was still a thing.
Thanks for this video. In addition its worth remembering that EXP Share is more like an EXP Booster because unlike the old EXP share item that actually shared the same pool of EXP it just makes bonus EXP for every party member. Forced EXP share made this game a no buy for me.
Its like the inverse of the should all games have an easy mode argument, but way fucking worse because it requires literal seconds of effort for them to implement
Man this gaming culture today where people just want things to be easier to the point of just being too simple and overstacked just for convience. They want linearity to the point where the game just plats itself. They don't want challenge, they don't want to think, they just want to scream and react to themselves doing something regardless of how worthy of a feat it is.
Yeah sadly Gamefreak only see infinite TM as something useful for competitive battles and since this game doesn't focus on competitive Pokemon they didn't see the need of infinite TM even tought even casuals players liked the change.
I really don't understand why they took away the optional side of it, I like the XP share because I'm more interested in playing to see the story than playing to beat everyone so the XP share makes the battles go by faster to get to the duologue, but I know some people don't like that so there should be the option to switch it off, you literally make no one mad by having more OPTIONS, that's what the game should be allowing you to make it fun but you start angering people when you restrict it
I like grinding. When I was young playing Pokémon, it was exciting getting Pokémon stronger by using them in battle. This mandatory exp share just takes that away.
What's up with games made on Unity these days? They are lazy to create their own game engine? Why would Pokémon gain Exp by doing nothing? It doesn't make any sense! You can't be strong by watching others battle! I hate games where you are supposed to play like the developer intended. Where is the fun?
Unity was probably used for this game because they didn't want to trust or take the time to learn the GF mess that their third party would need sent to them in order to make the game. So they used an engine that was quick to set up and cheap.
Why can't they allow players to modify exp gain in settings, again? I feel like all of this discussion around exp share is ignoring that exp share is a roundabout method of fixing a core game design issue.
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What's even better is that garchomp's shiny looks so much nicer being based off its beta design in that fixed mod
I love the shiny mod it does my favorite Pokémon justice🥲
It's also in pokemon unbound
some shinys are just bruh..
green should be baned for shinys
idk, i kind of prefer it to be close to Gible's shiny.
@@user-xp6nf5pt6n Espeon....
BDSP is a game where you can set your battle style to “set,” meaning you can skip one yes/no question in battle, but cannot change your exp share
Don't let Game Freak remember that option. They may just remove that in Gen 9.
I swear they will remove that next. Like there's no reason to do it, it may as well stay there, but it would slightly piss off older players so Masuda wont be able to resist cutting more options. I'd say he definitely gets off on it at this point.
@@PrimeValkyrie like they did with the dexcut when we know they’ll continue that for no reason along with the permanent exp share.
Pokémon is a very good example of how too much streamlining and 'quality of life' 'improvements' can hurt a game more than it can help. You end up stripping away some of the franchises identity for the sake of mass appeal or inclusivity.
@@PrimeValkyrie The true nightmare scenario. Above all, set is the way the games are meant to be played.
How to get rid of exp share without modding:
1. Put your copy of BDSP in your switch
2. Turn off your Switch
3. Open your DS or Emulator.
4. Play Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum.
:D
It also fixes the ugly graphics, disables affection bonuses and removes most glitches!
@@FleDark10 aren't the glitches in bdsp also in the orignal one (minus platinum?)
@@AlejandroRodriguez-cy8ee No
@@FleDark10 But it removes most of the moves and fairy type!
@@AlejandroRodriguez-cy8ee Yeah but the set up was more complicated than "go into menu and press right", and AFAIK you couldn't just skip Cynthia with it.
This is something a streamer said when playing BD recently.
"Of course pokemon now have tons of passive buffs you can't control because according to Nintendo kids will get bored or frustrated if they lose, BUT having to slather trees with honey, waiting 6 real time hours and see if a tree got that rare pokemon they are looking for is so much fun for them!"
Es verdad pero no deberías decirlo
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pokemon the game of choice unless gamefreak decides no for some obscure reason they can't even explain
Must be why most of those pokemon can be found in the underground.
@@finnian3931 bdsp was made by ILCA (GF is busy with Legends) and it really shows
There’s also a fun little thing with the “other RPGs have forced exp” argument and it’s that most of them usually have 3 to 4 party members out in battle at ONCE vs Pokémon where 90% of all battles are 1v1s. This is actually an important distinction for why it’s okey in other RPGs as in their cases, there are more instances where the individual party members are active at once and in many instances most obstacles in those other RPGs tend to have certain mechanics where a single universal brute force strategy is not enough to beat the entire game which makes party wide experience more acceptable. With Pokémon, most obstacles can be brute forced effortlessly with a high powered super effective attack so theirs basically no incentive to ever consider switching to use other Pokémon most of the time when you can one shot the opponent outright.
plus if one of those characters is dead (AKA out of the fight) they usually won't get XP
We need another XD gale of darkness style Pokemon game
Persona LOL
@@hatefulgaming1800 facts and hopefully that happens soon 🙏
A good traditional RPG gives each character a defined role, so if you have more party members than there are active party slots, you want the benched members to keep up so that the player can tag them in when they would be useful. Pokemon does not encourage the same level of experimentation in the story mode, they just straight up tell you which of your attacks are advantageous these days and make it even easier for you to steamroll the opponent. Pokemon have differing stats and moves, but it barely matters in casual play. The fine strategy in Pokemon is reserved for PvP, which most RPGs do not have to account for to be fair, but that does not mean that the campaign should always be babbys first RPG easy mode. Casual players probably never make it this far either because team prep is boring, a massive pain in the ass, and you have no incentive to interact with the breeding mechanics at all during normal progression. I think that Pokemon switching to mainly double battles would be a good step, because you actually have to worry about team synergy a lot more so it opens up room for strategic play over facerolling the boss battles with a type advantage exclusively. Balancing exp and giving options are a whole 'nother can of worms to be dealt with, but you gotta take things one step at a time.
Gamefreak: Doesn't implement a toggle because fans will do it anyway.
2030: Doesn't make a game because fans will make it anyway
But then Nintendo will copyright claim the game.
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"BuT ThAt'S OkAy BecoUsE IT's SuPeR FUnNy!!!"
@@cynaxis4002 yeah fuck nintendo
Totally! If Nintendo didnt want people to make and play fangames, they should make better main games!
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Gotta love the doublespeak from Game Freak: "We considered adding a way to turn off the Exp. Share, but then we remembered there is already a much more complicated and time consuming way to solo train, so we just left it. That would be more intuitive. Trust us."
It would be less insulting if they just told fans to piss off and stop nagging them because they simply can't be assed.
GF didnt make the game, ILCA did.
Plus, when we could turn it off, everyone stinkin whined about it.
Thats on u guys for constantly complaining about it when it was never an issue
@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 3:55 This is the quote I'm talking about, which is from Shigeru Ohmori, a lead director and developer at Game Freak, being interviewed about Pokemon Sword and Shield. I am not even talking about BDSP, but the fact that they followed the trend set in previous games says that they are probably following the same dumb logic.
No one nagged Game Freak into removing optional Exp. Share. If they had, there wouldn't now be a huge number of people asking for the feature back. Like you said, it was never an issue until it was removed.
@@rangergrey7236 Because everyone stinkin whined about it when we COULD turn it off when theres literally an item (Lucky Egg) that does the same thing.
@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 Dude, your simping for bad decisions is pathetic.
@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 Im not simping, its true, the Lucky Egg is basically the old Exp Share, so u could just turn off the Exp Share and just slap LE onto the mon u want
Honestly with how EXP Share was balanced, having it toggable would’ve been the best ending.
Everyone has been saying this for the last... how many games?
I think exp share should work how it used to until post game when you get an upgrade to switch to how it works now both being togglable
@@firenze6478 Oh maybe that theres an item called the Lucky Egg that does the exact same thing as the old Exp Share (talking about Pre-Gen 8)? And it was removed cuz everyone still stinkin whined about it when we could turn it off
@@RiahGreen Only 2 games cuz theres an item thats basically the old Exp Share so u could turn the new Exp Share off and still get Exp for 1 pkmn
Edit: I was wrong about the LE acting like the old Exp Share
@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 I don’t remember there being any controversy in the lucky egg nor do I appreciate you assuming that I whined about it.
Also what does this have yo do with them making the broken exp share untogglable?
Best case scenario is being able to toggle which Pokemon are affected by the exp share. So you can turn it off for all or make it so only low level mons you want to train up like what the exp share used to be like
Gen 6 exp share was a blessing because we can turn it on and off.
In older games you could do this by buying/finding multiple EXP Shares, but it split the EXP between the Pokemon, so each one would get a marginal amount of EXP.
Let's face it: Fan made content like Rom Hacks and mods like this are better than Official Pokémon Switch Games.
Edit: Legends Arceus doesn't count.
Always, because they now know what's wrong. Pokémon company knew from SwSh that it was a hated feature and didn't listen
@@dland6616 Which is stupid it was even a hated feature. They tried to let u be able to turn it off and have an item (Lucky Egg) that functions as the old Exp Share
But guess what? Everyone still whined about it, so thats on yall for whining 24/7 when it wasnt even an issue
@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 it was... Stop deflecting criticism.
@@TheunknownuserM07 No it wasnt, stop trying to crap on anything they do. Im not saying theyre perfect or blindly like their decisions but dangit, crapping on a QOL feature 24/7 when we could turn it off is so stinkin annoying
@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 wait what do you mean the lucky egg acts like the old expirence share? Doesn't it just let the pokemon holding it gain more EXP?
Back before EXP share was an option I enjoyed having it on most of the time because I always had multiple low leveled Pokemon that I wanted to train at once. But not giving me the option especially when doing another play through just takes all the fun out of it. It just takes all the attachment you get to your Pokemon away from you, they get leveled up by doing nothing and you never get to have any meaningful battles with them. They just feel like lines of code instead of real companions you made on your journey. Pokemon really did lose their Heart and Soul a long time ago.
I will never understand why in newer Pokémon games they want to limit a player’s options to this extent, like why is an already easy game serious need to be dumbed down even more? I played bdsp and the fact I had to make a second team to be on par with the elite four just from the exp system is absurd. Oh and don’t get me started on the friendship and happiness mechanic in this game😅
They think we're stupid. And honestly, judging from the mindless defense of GameFreak all the time makes me think that they're right.
🤔 Aren't you supposed to beat powerful enough to beat the elite four? Compared to other jrpgs, I don't see over leveling as a problem.
A good solution would be Final fantasy 8 type of leveling
@@javaruscarstarphen4062 Powerful yes, but still challenging. Something these games have failed in.
@@javaruscarstarphen4062 ideally you’d be like 5-15 levels under so they are stronger for sure but can be beaten with strategy.instead at best you match their level and at worst exceed it
gen 9 your starter is chosen for you
The hardest part of brilliant diamond was avoiding trainers so my Pokémon don’t become over levelled as a result of the exp share.
I failed doing this so the game was piss easy and boring.!
Words can’t describe how tedious and unrealistic it is to have to put the Pokémon you don’t want getting the exp into your pc which is the advice the creators gave for this exp share problem.
One way around this is putting your Pokemon in boxes. Not ideal, but thankfully you have box access almost everywhere.
I will say that even with the same team of Pokemon, and battling every trainer, I was still underlevelled for the pokemon league because the level pacing is kind of bad.
Isn't that the point?🤔 The badges help prevent over leveling.
@@justwantawholename is that the point? its called pokemon league and elite four for a reason though gym leader level should be higher
I actually liked the grinding. It made the term "Pokemon trainer" make more sense. It may be frustrating at times but of course even in real life a journey is never all happy and easy and when I win battles it usually pays off.
Most people will not believe me once again, but I don't really care.
On my first playthrough my Pokemon were low lvl 60 after I defeated Cyrus on Mt. Coronet, I didn't really do much besides fighting every trainer along, and grinding team members up to the same lvl as the rest of my team, and yet I got overleveled.
Then I started a new playthrough due to my overleveled team, and this time I strictly fought every single trainer along, and nothing else. The second time I was at mid to high lvl 50.
How can it be that no matter what I do, I get completely overleveled because of this stupid exp. share, and I don't even get the option to turn it off?
That is everyone's playthrough. Idk how you can avoid getting over leveled, unless you purposely keep catching new pokemon and box the party 'mons. Having to avoid trainers is not okay.
I just... I don't understand why there's such a discourse surrounding the Exp.Share's implementation. The Exp.Share we now know was optional when it was first introduced in X/Y, I don't understand why restoring that option is a bad thing? Not to mention it's not even a difficult thing to program, have it on by default and it'll function the same as it does now but people can toggle it on/off as they please. Level scaling isn't an issue, if someone is turning the Exp. Share off then they're either wanting a challenge or they're over levelled. It's silly not to include the option but this is the same company who think putting accessibility options behind random NPC's is totally fine.
I would prefer that instead of forcing me to have the EXP Share on at all times, why not let me choose who I wanna give that exp instead?, so I get to decide if I wanna use it to raise everyone’s levels at once, let the newcomer and only the newcomer catch up, or keep the current sweeper from getting too strong and give the exp to the ones falling behind, or just have it turned off and whoever fought gets the exp
I hate that even though I am avoiding battles, I am already like 12-14 levels above everyone just before 3rd gym? There is no strategy/typing at all when I one hit KO everything! Can’t even catch Pokémon properly! This is broken and needs urgently a fix!
@@kagemara277 it sucks when you add a weaker member to your team later on. Take my Hipopotas for example, lvl. 22. The rest of my team were in 40's when I caught it.
With EXP toggle, I'd put it in the lead like usual, with the rest of my team backing it up if necessary.
Without toggle, my team ended in 50's by the time Hippowdon got to 40's. I ended up depositing the rest of them for a while until the gap was closer.
@@justinnyugen7015 yes. it's very clunky to have to separate your entire team from a new party addition just to get them all to the same level. I will never understand the decision to take away a perfectly logical exp share toggle
In gen 8 the true challenge is to actually lose a fight.
Bdsp could have been my favourite 3D Pokemon games, but there’s so many small things that add up and mark it down, mainly forced exp share that made me avoid battles to not over level or keep switching my team out, the forced affection bonuses that you have to force feed Karen’s herbs to stop it, and following Pokemon not only being bad the second game in a row, but increasing the before mentioned affection rate. The best part, they’re all things past games have done better. I still really like these games, but I don’t love them, which is a shame because I really wanted to. I appreciate the harder boss fights, but it’s kinda ruined by a misplay I do going unpunished by my Pokemon hanging on or curing a status condition. It rewards sloppy play and doesn’t encourage you to learn how to get better.
A slider for affection bonuses would be great. I love the idea of the affection focus sash, the frequency is just a tad strong. An anti crit would be hype, make it 1/16 or something
I personally never cared for these remakes. I enjoyed the new gen games more like gen 7 and 8. Those are my favs. Can't wait for PLA and gen 9
focus sash maybe okay but healing by itself, crits wishing to be praised, or can miss opponent 100 acc attack is whole another anime friendship power joke
Yeah this is pretty on point...this game simultaneously has great details and features but also really shitty flaws.
Can't wait for people to talk about how it's underrated or whatever in like 3-5 years
@@anatemori23 why? you never played older games?
Fixing BD/SP should be far easier than Sword & Shield thanks to the game being made with Unity.
I wonder if these modders could add of the all Pokémon in the game? Like Gen 5 and 8 too
@@xlbthedemigod5662 Hell we're probably going to see that long-awaited "Ultimate Pokemon Experience" made eventually, now that the Pokemon gameplay architecture has been made for Unity. It's now a matter of modders to rebuild the maps of the other regions and linking them together in a way that logistically makes sense.
@@legoferrari14 I can see that
@@aladrosa1537 Chill lol
@@aladrosa1537 being overly sarcastic is not a sign of calmness
Platinum is and will always be the superior game- short of literally turning the games into platinum, thats not really gonna change. I mean they didnt even put in the Distortion World for fucks sake. Of all the things, that would have be the coolest experience and greatest place for them to stretch out and do something beautiful and different, just like how the distortion world was back then
DW is almost confirmed for Legends
"Short of literally turning the games into Platinum"
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@@cyberbitterdragon so much for that lol
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There's also the more obvious issue with the "other JRPGs share exp!" argument:
In most singleplayer Pokemon battles you only have one Pokemon out at a time. In most JRPGs you have a party of 3 or 4 battling at the same time.
It makes sense to have a shared experience system when you are expected to use multiple people to win.
And even then it only applies to your active party in those games
Fixing is neede d again and again.
THe Trend continues.
And the fans keep being awesome.
And that's why the game Should be balanced so you received in based on how many party members
ex : You have a full party? You'll get 1/200 of the exp
I don't get why we Shouldn't have this
I'm definitely in support for optional exp share on/off toggle
I don’t understand how they messed this up, X and Y made you wait to get it and you could turn it off.
Wait just until after the first badge though-
I dream of a day when the exp share has the options to COMPLETELY customize the exp distribution. For example:
-off: only the fighting pokemon get exp
-equal: every pokemon get the same amount of exp
-personalised: can choose what percentage of exp each pokemon get
That would be kinda OP and no one will use intermediate options really
@@UltraAryan10 I would, and it depends on the game balance. Another cool option would be level caps
@@justwantawholename Level caps kind of feel unnatural but Game Freak goes for a very serious challenge mode, it could work
@@UltraAryan10 The main reason I want them is so I can use as many settings as I can to make gym battles similar to competitive Pokemon battles. A party size cap is another setting that'd be neat to have, but I can live without. It'd feel cool to unlock additional party slots though
Dont forget a classic mode, where it works like it used too
As a game developer bdsp is a stark reason why I don’t like this industry anymore it’s littered with laziness and just general ignorance mostly on behalf of the higher ups that make shtty decisions like this and it hurts even more bc platinum is one of the many games that inspired me to get into game development
Some of those people also never EV trained a Pokémon in THEIR LIFE...
With the new Exp. share EVERY pokémon gains the EV from the battle, so if you wanted your Ferroseed with zero in speed but fought a Rattata with it on the 6th slot, well... you have now a Ferroseed with 1 EV on speed that could have gone to other stat.
Granted, the new PC system is also a EASY-turner for this new games but wasting time moving pokémon from and through the PC is the same amount of cumbersome than togling something ON and OFF but with extra steps.
Instead of ILCA I'd love to see the Octopath team handle a remake. They add a lot of options for players, and hd 2D would be awesome
@@justwantawholename adding a lot some times is bad (not always) I would love to see what come from them if given the chance.
Wasn't hd 2D BW? If I'm not wrong that generation could be played in HD without any filter on emulators and still holds its own against 6th and current generations.
HARD AGREE. This is probably one of the lousiest aspects of not being able to turn it off, especially since the remakes have *gym leaders* with EV trained mons. Like, the game is legitimately acknowledging that EV training is important, and you can't go through the game without stacking up random EVs on your entire team. Sure, BDSP has unlimited vitamins now so training is no big deal (although they could have just... Brought back horde battles? I don't know why they keep scrapping good mechanics from previous games.) but you still need the friendship berries to erase those old EVs in the first place, and those, unlike vitamins, have to be grown, and the in-game clock prohibits the use of time-travel to expedite berry growth.
It's bonkers that games like XY had some really great ways to EV train a Pokemon in mere minutes and now it's like, alright lads, grind for cash, buy up those dank pharmaceuticals from Veilstone, and just force-feed your team steroids to get them ready for competitive battling. Gonna be honest and say this is the first Pokemon game I've purchased on the Switch, so I can't speak about Let's Go or SwSh, but I had a good time in XY and SuMo even if I had a few gripes. Probably because there still felt like a modicum of choice presented to the player.
I mean yeah
But
Who EV trains his Adventure team? Xd
Thats generally why they defend it. Because they don't train pokemon for specific outcomes, they just want to sit in a chair and stream them just casually coasting through the game, making it simple that they can meme off of it rather than invest in it. Its why I hate when games are being made to fit the laziness of a casual majority if it means removing features they don't understand.
"It would be better to [force a player to box their entire party to achieve the same effect of turning the exp. Share off]"
???
SIR. If I'm boxing my entire party, I'm essentially 1v(up to 6)ing EVERYTHING.
NO, it's not the same effect??!?
This 'solution' is a spit in the face from Masuda. He has to know what he's doing.
“Faithful” remakes my ass, why can’t we go back to when exp share was an item and you have to find it from a random npc
But TMs are single use...
@@M3rtyville I know right. I just love how that was like the one thing they stayed "faithful" with. The thing that pisses everyone off. Like if we wanted the OG TM system for better game balance then it's as simple as purposely not teaching your entire party the broken TMs, that way hardcore players can have restraint for a harder time and casual players can go nuts and teach everyone Earthquake. But that would involve a tiny player imposed form of _options!_ We don't want those horrible things in our "faithful" remake! But no, the super intrusive, unavoidable and game breaking Exp Share and affection system need to be forcefully shoved up our ass with zero consent or easy way around it. The "faithful" thing was basically a really shitty, inconsistent excuse they transparently kept using to hand wave really stupid design decisions, they just immediately forget it when it's convenient.
Because grinding isn't fun.
More like a remaster with less effort with permanent exp share and the dexcut again for no reason.
@@cyberbitterdragon missing the point with these comments
I'm one that wishes they went back to the held item version. The old games were balanced around that option existing if you went out of your way to get them and helped get weaker members up to speed without compromising the stronger ones in the process.
If they really wanted to, they could have just named the toggle for everyone to gain experience the Exp. All after the Gen 1 item while the held item version would stay as Exp. Share for players like me.
Exp. Share hold item would actually be much more balanced with the new exp. mechanics since Gen 6 which gives 100% exp to all participating pokemon and in turn will give 100% to the exp share holder as well making it a good general item rather than for specific cases.
not to mention, many RPG's that boost the entire party lets the entire party participate in battle. Not all the Pokemon participate in battle thus its not the same thing when they all get the EXP Boost.
Persona
@@cyberbitterdragon dragon quest
Most JRPGs don't have competitive play, so you're not expected to actually build stats for any reason other than completing the story. The characters are just there to be a party and rarely if ever outside of pokemon treated as customizable individuals. Pokemon is the only JRPG I can think of where each potential party member is treated as an individual, in and outside of the story intent.
Anohter thing about Exp Share in Pokemon and most ohters JRPG´s is that, most Partys in ohter JRPG´s also need ohter ways and managment to gain strengh, like Skill Tree´s, Gear/Weapons, Stats increase training and more. Your typical JRPG requires more than just leveling your characters, there is more depth in those. A normal Pokemon Playthrough doesnt rely on things like EV´s or Held Items. You can simply ignore those and still beat the game with no problem.
I like that the grinding argument is used for the game that returned to making TMs one-time-use again.
I wish we were able to go back to the pre-gen6 exp share. I really liked how you were able to passively train one specific Pokemon so that it didn't have to fight but leave the rest of the team untouched. This was really handy for when you caught a new mon that was way weaker than everything else.
This. Postgame you could add the new one but it should be able to turned off
To make everyone happy we could have a pre-gen6 xp share that you get early on, like after the first gym, after that you get a *super xp share* (i'd say around gym 3 or 4) that acts like the one from gen 6, it's a key item that grants xp to every member of the team (if turned on).
See, but the heads of Gamefreak already have a solution for you: you simply box every mon that shouldn't get exp. This also helps with creating a bond with your Pokémon team, as you travel the world together, you know
@@kastanie7445 are you serious? And the portable box should be post game content aswell
@@alexbrown8900 no I'm not serious, I had hoped the sarcasm is obvious 🙈 I guess I did see worse arguments from some fans that weren't being sarcastic though... It's really crazy that anyone would defend this
Did he really suggest limiting your party to 1 mon would be more intuitive than being able to disable xp share? good lord
I will never understand being against the ability to have choice in a game. Is it really that worth it just to defend gamefreak guys?
They are still defending Gamefreak from the bullshit dexcut.
This is the best part of the game being made on unity
You can easily improve some things you don’t like
Bruh, Shiny Garchomp with the Beta colors is genius.
Oh my-
IS THAT REALLY YOU?
I've also never heard this in any arguments in favor of Exp Share toggle, but it really should be brought up. The Exp Share mechanic is actually sharing EVs (as well as experience) across the player's party. For those who are trying to raise a diverse team (and especially for those trying to raise a COMPETITIVE, diverse team), this can be HIGHLY problematic. I've had pokemon in modern games that never see the light of day (never entered in a battle from the moment they're hatched) end up FULLY EV TRAINED because of the Exp Share. Nevermind the fact that the EVs are in places I never wanted them to be so I have to use friendship berries or the sand spellcaster in IoA to fix this. (Thank god for paying more irl money along with additional in-game currency to fix a problem, amirite?)
In terms of the "other JRPG" argument, other JRPGs don't have an EV system that influences growth. So there is that, in addition to other points I've noticed being brought up.
Fixing is neede d again and again.
THe Trend continues.
And the fans keep being awesome.
It takes a bit of time, but XY did somewhat have a solution to that.
In Super Training you could get reset bags that reset all EVs, then immediately use Super Training to give your pokemon the EVs you want. Unfortunately, I think the reset bag is one of the bags you randomly get for tapping on the default punching bag for a bit, but still better than having to use tons of berries imo.
@@shufflebox814 But the EXP share was TOGGLABLE in X/Y.
Is funny how 2 mechanics that were perfectly fine on X & Y, the exp share was toggable, and the affection was separate from happiness and optional, are now the worst parts of each game just because they remove the option to say no. They took the worst parts of X Y for future games which is baffling.
I’m still glad that I didn’t get these “remakes,” on how half assed and rushed they are along with the dexcut, and especially the permanent exp share.
I bet they didn't improve on the battle animations either! But fanboys are going out of their way to defend these games anyway just becouse it's Pokemon, and these games will continue to get WAY more sales than other games that have actual effort put into them, becouse again, it's Pokemon. At this rate, I'm done with Pokemon. Whenever I go back to playing a Pokemon game, I'll just be sticking to playing something from the DS era instead, or at the very least, the 3DS era since even if it's not as good as the DS era, it at least had effort put into it unlike the Switch era for Pokemon that has nothing but games that are 60-dollar cash grabs.
Really wished the Gible line's shiny is based off the Beta Gible line.
For clarification, Dwebble's shiny is red and it was originally a fire type Pokemon.
Can you post a modding tutorial some day? I would like to know how to mod and I think others would as well
yea i just need to think of how in-depth i want to go. i think i would cover more of the pokemon modding side of things as opposed to modding the switch itself since there are plenty of guides for that out there already
Really appreciate your work in pushing back against the Pokemon fandom who cheers the removal of optional features from 15 years ago. How far the games have fallen.
Stop doomposting, the games are actually good and just not your cup of tea.
Grinding isn't fun.
The games are in a downfall with cut content like the permanent exp share and the dexcut, rushed, half assed, and lack of polish.
@@cyberbitterdragon You're not fun.
@@cyberbitterdragon Platinum's better.
@@xlbthedemigod5662 Lack of polish? Fucking Gen 4 had void glitches and cute charm allowed to fucking farm shinies. Gen 6 had exploits that allowed a non hacked console to have generated Pokémon. How much of a brunch of ignorants can you be.
I cannot begin to understand why a person would argue against having options for people who like different things to them. It just doesn't make any sort of sense why having the option to do something would make someone upset.
Man, after completing sacred gold/storm silver pokedex, i can still remember the pain of grinding exp in victory road, training my 6 pokémons to reach level 60 because they were under 50 because i thought lance would use 3 Dragonites lv 60 lmao, i had to use lucky egg instead of exp share to finish the training.
I once forgot to save the game, i had to grind again...
I feel like some people just think everything negetive about a subject they like/love is a personal atack.
This is the exact same situation as the removal of the dislikes! Why remove dislikes when there was already an option to do it!!!
The fact this is even a controversy shows everything wrong with Twitter, the Pokémon fandom and some of the things wrong with the entertainment industry as a whole.
Why would anyone defend taking away a player's options? How brainwashed do you have to be?
Way I see it, the Exp Share should be mandatory so that I have a never ending stream of videos complaining about it.
Imo, the only place the current exp share has besides an easy mode toggle is something you’d get post game when grinding to get certain moves for certain Pokémon, or training Pokémon you’ve bred to be up to snuff
Sinnoh really needed an updated look and not a (nearly)faithful copy and paste.
0:20-That musical timing on the sparkle tho...
I was one of the people who was really hype when the exp-all came out in X/Y. I love the idea! But I also hated that they removed the option to toggle it off.
I found it really weird how the balancing for the whole game was too much a breeze until the elite 4 and champ that they decide to put up a challenge like I was always accidentally overleveled for gym leaders because of the experience share and how busted it was. Until the elite 4 actually had competent move sets and items that actually made the game more interesting and I was surprised I was having to actually do some competitive plays or cheese some wins for them.
Pokemon fans: "I hate level grinding, it is so tedious and boring!"
Also Pokemon fans: "Cannot wait to spend several days resetting for this slightly different coloured Pokemon! HELL YEAH!!"
Bro fax
Shiny Hunting in the end rewards you, while grinding is artificial difficulty
Again Pokemon fans: "The games were always easy so you never needed to grind in the first place"
@@cyberbitterdragon Grinding in some games can reward the player for going out of there way for do something tedious with a rare item or special equipment. Grinding in Pokemon is nonexistent. You only need to grind if you're trash at Pokemon.
imagine the game having so little content that you need to strech it so bad by pointless cosmetic shinyhunting
also jrpgs have exp share because most jrpgs you fight with multiple characters instead of one
Casual players want the game to be:
if (pokemon type beats theirs) {
one shot for free; }
Individually training pokemon is fun and actually challenging. Every pokemon growing for free without ever using them is lame and makes 0 sense. Immersion breaker. They get to the levels of their strong moves that oneshot and you never had to actually earn victories against wild pkmn/ trainers.
old XP share was super useful when you get an egg/super underleveled pokemon. it can catch them up to the pokemon at your stage of the game without having to fly back to earlier routes to train them and halt your progress.
Also training pokemon earns them EV's and giving them to the whole party can kinda screw with that, giving all your pokemon similar ev distributions. I know the average player definitely wont play with Ev's in mind, thats sort of a minor nitpick. Theres just no reason for it to not be optional.
Even Fire Emblem had the common sense to make casual mode optional, as well as providing multiple dificulty options, some of which are very hard, like Lunatic mode.
Again...you can set many other options in the games, giving you autonomy and an optimal experience...but you can't set the thing that *used to have a toggle* as well because...Game Freak logic and their tone deaf and out of touch "KiDs ArE tOo BuSy, LaZy, AnD sTuPiD." philosophy.
Oh and...that's just Twitter for you, man. They had to REALLY dig deep for their unironically self-entitled and obtuse excuses to defend something so indefensible...when they are confused at what is being argued about it in the first place! I bet the smooth brains making those "arguments" in defense of the dreaded execution of this thing have a Sword and Shield in their bio. There's a reason I call them "tweetards".
I just miss the old exp share, why can't we have 1 option for the whole team, one option as a held item, and 1 option to not use it at all?
Temtem actually gives you all three options: classic EXP Share (Coward's Cloak), modern-day exp share (Coward's Blanket) and you don't have to use exp share at all in Temtem.
I will never understand why any game developer EVER would want to force their entire fanbase to play their game in a specific way. Isn't the point of Pokémon all about choice anyways? Isn't that why they've created over 800 of them??
Im sure that 95% of Pokemon players, even hardcore ones like me, really mind the exp share
Let's Go was lame, Sw/Sh was annoying. Bd/Sp are insulting. This is the THIRD time.
But hey, maybe the 30$ Platinum Dlc (two separate Dlcs for both games of course) will allow you to just toggle a byte on and off.
Yah, the Switch era for Pokemon has been terrible! Especailly considering that the games costs $60. The 3DS era may have started to give the franchise some major problems that the DS era games didn't, but the Switch era is when Pokemon REALLY started to go downhill!
Looking forward to the first impressions video, personally I really love the game although I do wish they improved a couple things.
Some E4/Gym Leaders like Flint and Volkner should've had their Platinum teams. Especially Flint because having him abuse Driftblim harder than Verlisify wasn't very fun.
I would've also liked changes to the Safari zone, particularly the frustrating binoculars "minigame". Maybe making it a bit more like the HGSS Safari Zone.
Oh and Traps missing in the Grand Underground sucked.
I used to complain about this xp share for years, non-stop! LOL
But working my job and being so busy, I actually have to appreciate it!
I stand by the fact an on and off switch should've been added but.. I find it so damn convenient! XD
Same here. My only issue with the permanent Exp Share is that the difficulty does not scale up to compensate for the amount of levels your team gets, making the mid to late game too easy. It seems as if they designed the games and forgot to take the Exp Share into consideration when setting up the difficulty. Had they done that, maybe the permanent Exp Share wouldn't be an issue.
@@shadowhunter122 I was aware of that, I went for a team of 12 mons myself, whenever some are slightly above the level curve, I'll swap them for others. Since the box is always at your access, it does it's job lol
"It takes 1 byte to turn xpshare on/off"
Actuelly it takes 1 bit, the other 7 are wasted 🤓
the only time i’ve ever enjoyed the EXP share hitting my whole team is when i intentionally wanna EV train multiple pokemon.
I do kind of miss having to do it the old fashioned way, on one hand training up a new member of your team as the player helps with growing fond of that new member, but on a more practical side, it helps in seeing how well that pokemon would perform seeing the ends and outs of it through multiple battles to see if it's worth keeping or if you're new it could help you get more familar with their advantages and disadvantages.
And while that can still be done even with the presence of the EXP share, honestly at that point you could probaly get by with not having to really ever use nothing but your 'favorite' main Pokemon and the others just coast on by like boxed mons that can gain exp. And while that's fine if people wana play like that, there are people who don't and it wouldn't hurt to have the option for those who don't.
Another issue I have with the EXP Share is that it used to be an equipable item meant to be used on one pokemon at a time, though I think in some games it may have been possible to get more transferred in from other games. Not only would it help to restore the ability to toggle it off but also to toggle which pokemon in your party it does and doesn't apply to now that it's a feature that applies to the whole party rather than a held item. It's a shame to see a once well liked training tool turned into such a persistent inconvenience that can no longer properly serve its original function.
Honestly I genuinely like the experience share as it works these days, I think it was a change that made the games more fun for me. But I really do wish it had been something you can toggle, even if I believe my playstyle to be the most common one it takes almost no effort to appeal to certain other playstyles too.
It's sad how, despite following the exact same formula since its origins, Pokémon used to try and add something new to the base to change the experience. Now all they're doing is removing as much things as they can under the excuse of making the game more friendly towards casual players, ignoring that what makes Pokémon fun is the option to play it the way you want to play. It's also unsettling how a boolean in the source code cannot be toggled at all and was intentionally left there.
My man coming back with FACTS and LOGIC
Okay honestly, the perfect XP share to me is three toggle modes:
On: Front mon gets 100%, back gets 50% (I also think this is in BDSP already)
Lite: Front mon gets 100%, back gets 25%
Off: Front gets 100%
I like the XP share, I just feel it is too strong and the game isn't balanced around it, but this feels like the perfect lazy design work-around. Which like, lacking and easy fixes should be in character and should be present.
You didn’t have to ever grind. Exp share is baby mode, no exp share is good mode.
Basic Reading comprehension is hard to come by in General (well more so at twitter but still :P ). I never NEVER will understand why people are AGAINST options when it comes to entertainment.
Although agreeing with your point, your presentation helped me realize yet something else:
*You have a Shiny Metang in your team, and that is the POKEMON I was hunting in my original Platinum game, the one I opened a few days ago and wondered why I left in a large patch of tall grass. Obviously I was shiny hunting, but couldn't recall why.*
So, thank you :)
And one of the things that makes the Exp Share so different nowadays is that experience isn't split evenly across all who gain it anymore. Even before it became forced from LGPE onwards, X and Y's revamps made it so that any Pokemon who directly participates in the battle gets 100% of the yield while anyone getting it through the Exp Share earns 50%. Even Gen I's Exp All system split the load amongst everyone in the party.
And on the subject of grinding, I miss being able to earn EVs through Exp Share. It made things a lot easier if you've got multiple Pokemon that need a boost in the same stat.
One counter argument that I was strange that I didn't see you bring up in regards to people saying other games have shared EXP is that those games are balanced around that fact. Pokemon is not.
It would be also cool a option to still have the exp share on, but the exp is divided to the party with 50% exp Reduction compared to the pokemon that got the kill
Niko, is that you?
it's funny that most people hate the thought of us getting a exp share toggle lmao 🤣
Then there’s also people who say “just box them” which ya that works but it’s just a bandaid for a problem that shouldn’t be there in the first place when it hasn’t been one in previous gens
My main issue with modern exp share is ev training
Sure i like the modern exp share when grinding for levels however when trying to ev train its horrible since evs getting passed along with exp in modern exp share i might as well not have any more pokemon until ik i can find pokemon to ev train off of
Which as you state we shouldnt have to box our pokemon when it can be a option and was a option til they removed it and only give stupid reasons why
I don't understand these fanboys at all. All people want are options that are completely 100% reasonable and are 1000% in the realms of possibilities for the devs. A simple on/off feature that even a intern can program. We simply want to play the game we want too. Also I don't understand how people have a problem with grinding in Pokemon mainly because there is no grinding. You've never needed to grind just to be able to complete the games. If you fight the regular trainers you have more than enough experience to beat the game. Unless you're doing a self imposed challenge or are purposely handicapping yourself, or you're training up a new Pokemon late game you've never needed to grind in any Pokemon game. Plus in DPP you have the Vs Seeker to rechallenge trainers.
Also, it's not like you HAVE TO mantain disabled the experience chare forever, you can easily shorten grind sesions with that object but use it when not. Not to mention exp. share is very suboptimal for specialized training, which would not be an issue if the football minigame was still a thing.
Darkrai with Ghetsis theme is something I never knew I needed in my life up until now!
That gave me chills! :-D
Thanks for this video. In addition its worth remembering that EXP Share is more like an EXP Booster because unlike the old EXP share item that actually shared the same pool of EXP it just makes bonus EXP for every party member.
Forced EXP share made this game a no buy for me.
Its like the inverse of the should all games have an easy mode argument, but way fucking worse because it requires literal seconds of effort for them to implement
"Grinding", aka "playing the game".
Man this gaming culture today where people just want things to be easier to the point of just being too simple and overstacked just for convience. They want linearity to the point where the game just plats itself. They don't want challenge, they don't want to think, they just want to scream and react to themselves doing something regardless of how worthy of a feat it is.
It is a shame that they made TM's limited again too
wait.... you have to restart your game to get more of one specific tm??
@@kuraidedman8601 NPC's give you multiple, but they do indeed run out. To be clear, the infinite use ones from Gen V are no longer present.
And that's how you create tons of content and replayability rofl xD
@@kuraidedman8601 Artificial Replayability* it just creates more grinding.
Yeah sadly Gamefreak only see infinite TM as something useful for competitive battles and since this game doesn't focus on competitive Pokemon they didn't see the need of infinite TM even tought even casuals players liked the change.
I really don't understand why they took away the optional side of it, I like the XP share because I'm more interested in playing to see the story than playing to beat everyone so the XP share makes the battles go by faster to get to the duologue, but I know some people don't like that so there should be the option to switch it off, you literally make no one mad by having more OPTIONS, that's what the game should be allowing you to make it fun but you start angering people when you restrict it
the perfect solution: gen 6 era experience share available plus pre gen 6 experience share available and the option to turn it off completely
I like the "better shiny" skins you uded
its Garchomps originally intended color. or at least his beta sprite color.
#readingishard. Well never come to a agreement in the pokemon fandom ever for a long time if this keeps going on
I like grinding. When I was young playing Pokémon, it was exciting getting Pokémon stronger by using them in battle. This mandatory exp share just takes that away.
THE FANS HAVE DONE IT AGAIN. lol.
From great video concepts like Pokemon Adventures Sinnoh by millenniumloops to future mods of BDSP... I feel proud🐧
What's up with games made on Unity these days? They are lazy to create their own game engine?
Why would Pokémon gain Exp by doing nothing? It doesn't make any sense! You can't be strong by watching others battle!
I hate games where you are supposed to play like the developer intended. Where is the fun?
Unity was probably used for this game because they didn't want to trust or take the time to learn the GF mess that their third party would need sent to them in order to make the game. So they used an engine that was quick to set up and cheap.
Why can't they allow players to modify exp gain in settings, again? I feel like all of this discussion around exp share is ignoring that exp share is a roundabout method of fixing a core game design issue.
Fun fact the dev didn't pick most of shiny colors only til 3d models did they did
Was just base on code so can't say they can't do shiny
Wow that garchomp shiny looks great! Definitely better than the real shiny!