One fact makes it worth it. The F35 and F22 can maintain internal only load outs of their munitions to maintain stealth. The F15X can data link with those 5th gen. The 5th gen act as the eyes and the F15 further away act as the source of all the munitions.
@@John_shepard Exactly, the F15 is still better than most. The F15x will cost less to maintain, developed via exports, and can still dog fight with the best. It’s really a super strike eagle. Navy will use the Super Hornets that same way with the F35.
This is actually insane, we didn't have this technology when the F15 was around now the F35-F22 can act as Point man feeding information to F15's that dont see the enemy yet but are able to unleash their payload becasuse the F35-F22's gave them targets well beyond their range. Meanwhile the F35-22 can stick to their own role where they excel at which is stealth and situational awareness on steroids XD Its like a spotter-sniper situation except in the air.
It's not a matter of each one is "better" nor "one or the other". It's about a symbiosis of capabilities. The F-22 and F-35 stealth capabilities make them excellent "forward edge" platforms for engaging the enemy while the F-15EX is a high tech missile monster. The F-15EX's upgraded avionics and electronic warfare suites along with its massive missile loadout makes it the perfect companion to the stealth aircraft. The inter-connectability of the three platforms, along with EWACS and other electronic warfare aircraft gives the US a multi-layered forces that protects each other and yet are able to operate separately.
@@riskinhos When the NGAD becomes operational the F-22's will go to the Air National Guard, but that's going to be awhile, I'm not going to hold my breath until they're "shacked", you can if you want.
@@riskinhos the Comanche program got "shacked" and then look what was left behind when Osama got "shacked" who knows what these guys have up their sleeves
I feel like someone at a board meeting considered that. "So we plan to designate this variant the F-15X" "Did you ever notice that a 5 looks a bit like an S?" "Yeah, I guess, what of it?" "What if we designated it the F-15EX? Then it would look like it's called the F-1SEX" "You absolute madlad, I'll make some calls, this is gonna be hilarious."
Geez, I remember years ago when I was just out of college, I did some work for a team of consultants who were partnering with the USAF and certain contractors as they took early steps for transition to the F-22. Basically, EVERYONE on the F-15 side (maintenance, training etc) thought that the Eagle was doomed and would be a career dead end - you'd maybe get a few more years supporting the airframe, but the groundbreaking F-22 was where the future lay. Everyone was trying every trick in the book - and a few outside the book - to get fully into the F-22 program asap. Now, almost a quarter of a century later, it's the Raptor that that's more of a career dead end, and its the Eagle is going to be around for at least another 20-30 years in USAF service, with probably another 15+ on top of that when the USA sells the aircraft. It's going to get a lot of upgrades also, as that big, tough airframe can take a lot of punishment and trial new technologies. Someone starting an aviation career today in their 20s could likely retire working with Eagles both in the USA and with allied nations. Anyone saying this back in the late 1990s would have been laughed at. But here we are.
the f22 is just too expensive to get any use out of it. it probably has gotten to a point where they are afraid to use it because of the cost of losing one. idk im no expert
@@atif1538 The biggest problem is the factories/machines that produced the F-22 were shut down long ago. It's not so much the planes themselves, it's that starting production again would be a huge expense. The F-15 on the other hand has been in constant production, so it's just easier to upgrade.
@@atif1538 I agree. I've been saying for a while now that the F-22 & F-35 were both dead ends, due to budgetary issues. The USAF would NEVER have enough of either, or both for that matter, to effectively fight a war with a peer level adversary, and that they would both fall to aircraft designed decades before them.
If only the F-15EX had front canards and thrust vectoring nozzles....(as a literal ode to the F-15 S/MTD) it would have looked dope AF. (Which it may not even need).
im so glad this channel is finally getting around in recognizing just how stubbornly well-designed the f15 eagle really is. massively understated is how maneuverable it is at all speeds, keeping it a favorite in many situations. this is also the first plane that went supersonic going vertical.....
The EX is based off of the Strike Eagle, not the air superiority version, the C/D Eagle. It's no contest between the C and E variants so far as ACM. The EX will see mostly NORAD Homeland Security missions. The Eagle has had its issues though. Stood down from securing North America in 2007 while the Canadian CF-18s assumed the missions for 2-3 weeks IIRC. The platform had to be stood down due to a wing failure requiring fleetwide inspections. Apparently the Strike Eagles wing is better designed, a plus to the EX's superlong service life. 25,000 hours or something like that. The Streak Eagle attained some amazing thrust/weight ratios during its record attempts. The holdback devices used hold the Eagle back while the engines throttled allowed for some wicked short takeoffs. The video of the Streak Eagles on youtube.
@@anguswaterhouse9255 Yes, never said it wasn't. The Charlie Eagles are a much better air sup. platform. The EX is a Strike Eagle variant built for air sup.
@@anguswaterhouse9255 The Charlies are still in service without an operational replacement until EX comes online. WVR/ACM are still major drivers for current training. The EX won't be survivable against modern air defenses much beyond 2028 but will be perfect to perform homeland/airbase defense/no-fly zone enforcement against limited or no air defense systems as well as deploying standoff munitions, similar to the Charlies current mission..
A fantastic 4++ generation high performance airframe like the F-15 makes a great addition to the F-35 and F-22. The ability to carry future long range air to air and air to ground missiles allows great flexibility to any strike mission. Costing less to maintain is a great plus also!
The whole point is long range munitions fired from beyond radar range with the F-35s as spotters. Air and ground. And then once the enemy air defenses are down up to a certain radius for a plane that can come in and rain lots and lots of bombs while the F-35s continue to push deeper into territory.
The fear is stealth coating will be difficult to impossible to maintain in a prolong conflict. F35 has about a 50% readiness rate during peacetime. So sure if F35 destroys all air defense in a few weeks everything fine, however that’s probably not going to happen. It took 6 months to degrade Iraq air defense.
@@jaredyoung5353 how long did it take to take down iraq's air defense in gulf war 1? how long did it take in Vietnam? any of the Israeli conflicts? ww2? my point is that it's getting easier. So most likely the chinese know this and the tactics will be to spread out assets on a defensive level and only go for targets of opportunity. they have military industry so far inland that it makes it difficult to penetrate without losses/refueling. They are set for a prolonged war and they know we may create a corridor quickly. But if we don't get the decisive victory because of lack of battles it'll just be attritional. Which we absolutely wont and thus your point is right. But technologically we could have if tactics weren't changed. I really think if we do any war with china... less is more. We now more than ever need the chinese people on our side. But because of strategic realities this will be a cold war style proxy war instead. Which goes back to the idea that, yeah maybe stealth is good enough to beat underequipped PRC allies.
It's a shame too, the F-22 would have replaced the F-15 had its production not been cut at 170/750 ordered fighters. But sadly there was no point in fielding a fighter that expensive when the military was focused on counter terrorism and counter insurgency.
@@HomelessCows There is an additional wrinkle, and this is at least in part why more Raptors weren't made (price being the big one though), and that is that the US doesn't want an F-22 falling into enemy hands. SO, fewer F-22s used only when the F-22 is particularly needed helps prevent the proliferation of its stealth and sensor fusion tech. But you still need all those missiles to hit whatever the F-22 (or F-35) finds - hence the F-15 EX. And if a few F-15 EXs get downed, well that's less of a big deal than losing an F-22. In reality, stealth drones are what will be killing the F-22 (and F-35) mostly, not other fighters.
I love that a plane designed with a slide rule is still being used and produced today, if a bit updated. The f-15 is still an extremely capable air frame
@@anguswaterhouse9255 i doubt it, f-15 have numbers total in the thousands in US along, if u counted it ally numbers and those sold to other cuntry as well, there enough out there to give enough sells point to make upgraded version. f22 on the other hand number less then 200 total, ban for export, rather then it gettign upgrade version, they will just replace it with the next 6th gen fighter. rather then complete retire teh f22, if anything they will most likely be use as front line intercepter cause of it stealth and speed.
Wouldn't really say Binkov is the best in terms of detail, but his content is definitely the most approachable, require little advance knowledge to get the general idea, whilst not sacrificing too much in terms of accuracy.
I think the EX was a smart move for the Airforce .. and I think the EX pave the way for taking a look back and beefing up proven platforms instead of trying to make future star fighters that are to costly to operate. The catch 22 is the EX uses a lot of lessons learn from the F22 / F35 programs.
The F-15 is like the Great White Shark. It's so perfectly designed that with just minor changes it's still an apex predator long after it's introduction.
Only problem is if the Chinese are further ahead than we think in missile/radar/ECM department. Fighters never operate in a vacuum either. There's always the possibility of assets on the ground or at sea either friendly or hostile that will add to the general mayhem and "fog of war"
It's a very powerful, versatile machine but without stealth it's only as good as its longest range missle and it will be forced to rely on stealthier units to help find its targets. Nothing wrong with a missle truck. But it doesn't work without more advanced assets in the field.
imagine putting Sidewinders on top of those AMRAAM's so when you launch the AMRAAM you spoof the radar than you see each split into 5 different missiles.
I mean, you COULD use a missile like the JASSM, but instead of its own warhead and seeker add three or four AIM-9x, launch the package toward the enemy formation and have the missiles engage when in optimal range. Launch that boom-stick in TWS mode with semi-active guidance and the enemy might never know what hit them...
Sounds unrealistic to me. The four Sidewinders weigh more than one AMRAAM rocket. So AMRAAM would have a lot of parasite mass to carry. This would drastically decrease range. But nice idea.
Makes sense for trained pilots, logistics and experience. The airframe hour increase is good too. Will it make a great missile truck for the F-35? That is the big question.
Yeah, same here, but at the back of my mind floats the image of a gull winged, twin engined, tandem seat fighter with a funny looking tail and an M-61 20mm cannon directly in front of the nose gear. I'm not sure what this "Phantom" in the back of my mind is, but it's so ugly that it is pretty.
Glad the USAF has some people with common sense procuring weapons. You did a good job of enumerating the many practical reasons to keep the F-15 assembly line going. It is the best system to augment our stealth fleet. Some designs have long legs, like the B-52's. It is said that the crews of the B-1s, B-2's will be ferried back from the Boneyard by the BUFF's. It might be that the pilots of the F-35, F-22 will fly an F-15EX back to base from the boneyard...
A couple of points. Mach 2+ fighters can't do that speed when loaded with externals. The F-16 with 3 EFTs, two 2,000 lb bombs & 2 AIM-120 has its top speed reduced to Mach 1.3...... Even when lightly loaded, the penalty is substantially - EF Typhoon for instance, with Mach 2 top speed is limited to Mach 1.6 with 6 AAMs and NO drop tank. The Eurofighter's top speed is reduced to Mach 1.6 with just 4 BVRAAMS, and 2 SRAAMS, which is just a light air-to-air load. The Rafale with 2 SCALP missiles, 4 MICA and 3 EFTs is restricted to 4 g instantaneous turn and Mach 0.9 top speed. ...... I don't know what the specs are for the F-15EX, but you can rest assured it's not Mach 2.5 when loaded with externals, including just air to air missiles The F-35 can actually do it's top speed of Mach 1.6 with a full internal load, soon to have 6 internal AMRAAMs. And did you hear about the Dutch exercise with Blue Air having 2 F-35s and 4 F-16s vs Red Air with 8 F-16s? The 4 F-16s killed all 8 of the F-16s without loss. The Dutch purpose was to see if F-16s could be used to shoot down enemy aircraft under F-35 guidance, while preserving their own air-to-air load. The excellent sensor system of the F-35 guiding F-16s worked perfectly. ..... In recent Red Flags, the US is also fighting F-22s, F-35s, and 4 gen fighters with both Red Air and Blue Air. I'm sure the USAF knows how to enhance 4 gen fighter capabilities with F-35s and F-22s too.
I am so happy that my country will be the only one getting the F-15EX with the USA. We are gonna get 42 F-15EXs in total and 60 F-35s. We would be the strongest Air Force in the region.
F-35: "I'm stealthy and can get super close before taking out 2 enemies in one sortie!" F-15-2: "Nice, kid. I'm not stealthy, but I can take out 6+ enemies in one sortie! Maybe even drop some bombs too, while I'm out there."
The Legion Pod ( IRST) will provide F-15X pilots with the ability to identify, track and target aircraft, including stealthy platforms that cannot be “seen” on radar, in complex electronic warfare environments. The Legion Pod pre-developmental test phase began in early 2019.
That opening line was just unexpected, it just wasn’t Binkov… AND I LITERALLY REPLAYED 3-4 TIMES IN THE BEGINNING TO SEE IF MY EARS WERE OKAYING TRICKS ON ME!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
Given the huge upgrades to the underlying technology/computing power of the F-1SEX, I think it should be considered a Gen 4.5 aircraft. A good blend of the technololgy of the 5th Gen, with the proven capabilities of a 4th Gen.
The separating factor between 4th and 5th gen fighters is stealth. Unless its been given some form of stealth upgrade I would disagree as it being between the two. I wouldn't say Russia or China have any genuinely 5th gen fighters either. The only fighters that are genuinely above 4th gen are the f35 and f22 IMO
The REAL reason I've found from working on F-15's? Maintenance. We have so many spare parts for them that until we've reached something that's leaps and bounds better for a cheaper price, we're probably not transitioning for a LOOOOOOONG time. Originally the F-22 was supposed to phase out the 15's, but since the 22 was more expensive, we opted to keep the 15's as a stable backbone and simply improve on a tried and true hardworking jet.
I always championed the f-15 for these and other reasons. It's cheaper, easier to maintain, bigger, faster and more deadly than the f-22 or f-35. What did the guy say? 16 AMRAMs? I would never load it like that unless I was fighting a pack of other 4th gen fighters but it shows what a monster it is. Pity no stealth. J-20s and j-24s with pr-15s or that other 6 meter beast would be a threat
Great coverage on the new F 15ex(y). It’s great to see the full potential of these platforms coming into reality. The platforms were very advanced in design for their initial releases, but the computer tech (while great for the time) wasn’t anywhere near it’s full potential. Now, the tech has caught up and we can turn these old frames into modern masterpieces. Would love to see the F16 get updated to the most modern level possible.
The B-52 was supposed to be scrapped during the Carter years but being a flying launch platform saved the BUF and billions in development and years in lag time
Carter canceled the B-1 which was supposed to replace B-52, so the USAF had no choice but to hang on to B-52s. USAF said that the B-52 would no longer be likely to enter contested airspace and survive by the mid 1980s. The solutions offered were to reverse the cancellation of B-1, wait on the B-2 and get some of those, or rely on more standoff weapons that can be used from the edge of defended airspace. In the end, all of these options were partially pursued but none in sufficient numbers to fully replace B-52. The treaty that banned B-1 from carrying nukes prevented it from replacing the nuclear mission of B-52. The very small numbers of B-2 prevented them from doing all nuclear missions. Thus despite being replaced by two new bombers that are both more effective than B-52s, they hung on in service because of political and budget decisions.
@Fred Garvin He was wrong. The B-1 is better than the B-52 in almost every way. Even the B-1A model that was less focused on reducing observabilty and more focused on speed. Building hundreds of B-1 could have meant earlier retirement of B-52. Half of the B-52s were chopped up at the end of the Cold War to comply with a treaty. All of the B-52s could have been destroyed instead if there were enough B-1 already built to replace them. This would also have eliminated the possibility of sacrificing nuclear fusing on the B-1 by treaty since the B-52 would be gone and the B-2 still secret and in small numbers. We could have had 200 B-1A plus 200 B-1B all with nuclear weapons capability retained. B-1B even now can carry more standoff weapons than B-52, with about the same cost to operate them. B-1B have are tiny on radar compared to B-52 and much easier to hide using electronic warfare. The speed of B-1B, even with much sacrificed for lower observability, is still much better than B-52 and allows them to respond faster to urgent target missions and get in and out faster. The only thing the B-52 does better is maximum unrefueled range but B-1B can still reach all the same targets because of pretty good range of thousands of miles and aerial refueling. If B-1kept the nuclear fusing and fully replaced B-52 it is likely we would now see a B-1C model that like the F-15EX would be better under the skin with easier maintenance and lower cost to operate in addition to some incremental capability enhancements.
@Fred Garvin B-2 were not built in enough numbers to do such missions on a large scale. They also arrived much later than the original B-1. Furthermore, the B-2 cost vastly more to operate than B-1 which is why B-1 has been the workhorse bomber for the last few decades while B-2 mostly sit in hangars.
@Fred Garvin We agree saving the BUF proved functional. But with over 1,462 days in office, getting 1 right is making contact once in a career of T-Ball
It's still worth it and still makes sense. Especially when paired with F-35/stealth fighter's sensors. Also, majority of enemy fighters are still non-stealthy.
As much as I love the look of Mig-29 & SU-27 ( family ) , there is 1 fighter, that proved himself as the best - the ( already ) legendary F-15. I red alot of stuff about F-15 developement, I was sad when F-15 STOL/MTD was not put into operation, and / but after all the years of focusing on stealth fighters, here we go again, back to the best, combat approved king of the figters. Murica, you surprised me in the possitive sence of the word 😎👍
The thing is, the F-15 has yet to meet a Flanker in combat, and has mostly shot down ground-attack planes or drones in its service history. The only key exception is 5 Fulcrums during Desert Storm, which is a small sample size.
I wonder if the Russian AF has come to a similar conclusion regarding the SU-57. I know they are building them in relatively low numbers, and it seems they are focusing more on keeping the SU-27, 30 and 35's up to date as their main-line air superiority fighters.
Possibly, although I watched a Russian made "documentary" (propaganda vid) that made blatant claims that the SU57 is superior to the F22 and F35. If they truly believe this they'll try to keep building as many of them as they can (which won't be many let's face it). They're likely to concentrate on their own 6th Gen research as other countries are skipping 5th gen and reaching for 6th. Either way, I think the F15EX will be a deadly complement to the F22s and F35s (and the F X(6th gen) successor to the F22....
@@ildart8738 Please you don't make sense, Russia can build them in large numbers they just don't want to. This is because it goes against their strict operations guidelines. They are terrified of repeating the mistakes of the Soviet Union. That is their weakness, easy example is Afghanistan. They have a budget and are very tight to that. They are focus on having just enjoy military and the rest is on internal development of society (population growth included)
@@EmperorLionflame It doesn't fly like a brick for a start and beast mode will be used in conjunction with other jets using stealth mode. One can detect other platforms without being detected at range or easily and the other can light it up from maximum range
@@EmperorLionflame Comparing the F35 to a spy plane is disingenuous at best. Most of the bad press the F35 has had has come from states who seek to undermine the F35 program. The F35 isn't designed to operate on its own and beast mode just adds in more flexibility. Having a platform undetectable to radar that is operating along side strike platforms is a huge advantage. It's how the UK nuked the US in war games, twice.
@@EmperorLionflame there totally different platforms with different roles. Nearly all of the info I've seen out of the US on the F35 rubbishes the scare stories about the platform. Exactly the same tactics will be used with the F35 as we're used on those Vulcan led excersises. The Vulcans had to go high to avoid radar, the F35 with go stealthy to do the same. In beast mode the F35 can carry up to 16 missiles. You have 1 jet that can forfil both roles in this kind of scenario. It's a struggle to put the meteor on it? It can either be done or it cannot and we both know it can. The F35 is also designed with the future in mind, it will operate along side armed drones, identify targets while remaining unseen and will allow it's drones to take the shot remaining hidden. The F35 can do an awful lot the F16 can't do as great a platform as it is.
The F-15 EX it's an excellent support weapons platform for the F-35 and F-22. The only thing they need is an F-15 or F-16 with an ECM System, that way the F-15 EX would be totally protected.
It has it. EPAWSS on the F-15EX performs multiple functions. Some of the hardware is also similar enough to Growlers that it could replace them in the EW role for the USAF instead of leaning on the Navy for that capability since the EF-111 were retired.
@@stupidburp That was my thought. Though that EW role is kind of becoming obsolete because of the sheer power and bandwidth of modern radars. For now it's still viable, but I wouldn't be surprised if that sort of jamming by small aircraft becomes useless in the next couple decades
Like the B-52, changes in weapons and electronics and changes in operational plans can make an older aircraft still useful. It is no longer being used as an air superiority in the classical sense. Remember that the F-22 was the air superiority fighter and the F-35 was to be the equivalent to the F-16 when it was first deployed, i.e. a fighter bomber. The main reason for the delays in the F-35 and its cost was refitting the design to do roles for which it was not originally designed. There is only between 40 and 60% commonality between the three versions, meaning that actually there is no economy in parts inventory since many different components are needed. So, like many bad decisions before it, the real failure isn't the aircraft; but the bad decisions. Solution, having a gun truck firing at range with the stealth platform providing the targeting. Is the concept workable, we shall see
Mysterious Chinese missile isnt meant to kill fighters though. Its meant as a bomber/cruise missie/awacs killer. It can most likely be out maneuvered they dont have infinite fuel. We need a new phoenix missile that can maneuver as well as fly 400 miles a hypersonic long range Air to air missile.
Ahhh that's the stuff I needed. Nothing like having a sock puppet with a Russian accent telling me about war and its tools to start my morning. Coffee ☕!!
The fact that it was getting upgraded by other countries is fantastic because that means the production line is still running and that the US didn't have to pay for the R&D.
@@demun6065 it is true at Mach 1.8 the exterior of the F18 does not experience the rigorous temps experienced by the F15. So it is cooler. The F15 capable of Mach 2.5+ and able to accelerate in vertical climb and surpass Mach 1 along with weapons loading far beyond the F/A 18s capabilities. The F15 is the king of air combat until another platform surpasses its kill/loss ratio. Also I have great respect for the F/A 18.
With the new larger weapon ejector racks and the emphasis on mission flexibility, i would fully expect rack mounted towed decoy options and expanded decoy dispensers
Those Chinese long range air to air missiles really arent a threat to US fighters at that kind of range, especially the F-35 and F-22. That is because any modern fighter will detect and perform evasive maneuvers. Those long range missiles are only a threat to slow transport and AWACS type aircraft. Lastly we all know that the J-20 isnt very stealthy and is totally outmatched by the F-35 and F-22.
How much you have access to classified information including classified information on how stealth works, I'm not sure how you're making your assessments. Now based on the angles used by stealth aircraft, I personally question how stealthy the J-20 is from any angle other than head on. But I'll be the first to admit that it's a relatively uninformed position, even if it's been backed up by the analysis of defense analysts and former pilots. Then again, how good is good enough? There are many who say that the YF-23 was stealthier than the YF-22, but lost out because of issues with its complicated missile bays
Modern long range missiles are becoming much more effective due to various improvements. They are more of a threat than previous generation missiles even when used against agile evasive aircraft.
@Fred Garvin what makes you think they're slow flying? And she only speaking, the more energy a missile has, I eat the more speed it has in the terminal phase, the more dangerous the missile is
I used to be sad as a child thinking my favorite jets were being replaced but now the viper, eagle 2 and block 3 super hornet will outlive their successors
maybe not the viper/hornet, the F-35 was an actually good program and the F-35 is needed to continue service so J-20s and Su-57s don't start seal clubbing 4th gen jets, so when a J-20 is found by EWR F-35s can be scrambled, although there are tactics to beat 5th gen jets with 4th gen jets, they only work if there is only 1/2 5th generation jets to atleast 3 4th gen jets
Indonesian here. There are a lot of rumors that our air force will choose both Rafale and F15 ex (or more specific F15 id). I think F15 ex will be useful for us because: 1. It's airframe capability with so many hardpoints and weapon choices mean that it can fulfill multiple roles that our air force limited budget desperately needed. 2. F15 ex is useful to tackle UAV/UCAV that usually designed to avoid ground radar/SAM. With many hardpoints, several F15 ex equipped with massive number of cheap short range missiles could handle swarms of drones.
As an Australian, I would like us to purchase two or three squadrons of these. They could follow the F35s in on a strike and cause a huge amount of grief after air defences were neutralised. They would be equality deadly against land or sea assets.
@@covenant_mog05 Most countries make plans for the next 5-20 yrs, Australia inks deals for current tech delivered in 50 years. Just an announcement for its own sake.
The pics of F-15EXs I'm seeing have CFTs/FAST packs. That said, it depends on what mission they are intended for. From what I'm seeing F-15s intended to dogfight would not have CFTs because they can't be jettisoned to save weight. So if they have FAST packs then the USAF is probably intending them primarily as missile trucks - which is the ideal air superiority role for them, IMO.
@@j.f.fisher5318 as far as I know CFTs are put in low pressure areas to minimize the performance and considering they got new engines it should balance out. And those CFTs are hard to take off so not taking them off reduces maintenance
@@Aaron-wq3jz yeah, I meant more as a strategic choice the apparent decision to equip them with FAST packs/Conformal Fuel Tanks suggests that the F-15EX is primary intended to be a missile truck, not primarily a dogfighter. Whether it is a low pressure thing or not the FAST packs on F-15s are mounted und the wing roots along the sides of the intakes as can be seen comparing the F-15E with other varients.
Yes, it’s worth it, because of the way that targeting data can be shared between aircraft when an F-22 or F-35 expends it’s internal ordinance it can still function as a link in the kill chain. The F-15 is fast and is still lethal enough to actively engage most threats, and because the USAF still maintains the institutional level ability to operate them the EX is a good fit.
Working with the F35 and F22 this is just a legandary Battle wagon! They lock on and the F15 Ex launches 🚀 16 missles at 16 planes! That’s a lot of dead Floppy fish, all the whole the F22 and F35 have full weapon load outs still and remain in complete stealth mode! No nation stand a chance vs these 3 !!!
It looks like the high low mix will be with the “low” f15 and a high 6th gen fighter. There is a tip of the spear in the form of stealth and the f35/22 but since they are constantly needing to be at the bleeding edge they will be swapped more often. Lastly looks like f15s are gonna be the same as the B52 as a work horse of the airforce
@@tomx641 Not really, the Navy came to this conclusion years ago. The F-35 is a strike airplane, it was never designed to go toe to toe against fighters designed from the ground up for ACM. That is what the F-22 was designed for, but they bought less than half that they would need to replace the F-15C/D squadrons, and the Navy cancelled the NATF program (basically a Navy F-22). So the Navy bought modernized F-18s, and while unlike the USAF the squadrons are multi-role, they are the air group's interceptor force. Now the Air Force is basically doing the same thing with the F-15EX.
@@Teampegleg No. The F15 is a worse fighter than the F35. This contract is to keep Boeing in business, it has nothing to do with the aircraft's capabilities. The F15 is a crappy plane but having LM run a monopoly is even more expensive.
@@tomx641 The F-15 is one of the best fighters that the USAF has fielded in the jet age. Only the F-16 is better at ACM, but the Viper was designed for ACM from the ground up.
Ironically this reminds me of a tactic I used in MoO3 - small fast spotter loaded with ECCM followed by a bunch of slow dumb hulks that were basically missile racks with engines. Spotter marked the target (often being lost in the process) and the hulks would launch and leave.
It’s basically the answer for a high- low system like today’s F-15CDE and F-16’s of different blocks. F-22 or F-35 basically just how high-low is working with 5th generation jets. They don’t need stealth priced jets for the majority of their missions but they are paying for them. This makes sense and gives them the opportunity to decide how they want to configure their stealth combinations for the future.
Spot on. Why have 100% stealth when you only need that capability to achieve air superiority? Once you control the skies you can use non-stealth aircraft to deal damage.
@@Mugdorna Exactly. Once you have control over the contested airspace like America did in Iraq with their First 5th generation “Fighter” bomber that blasted the door down and Destroyed their Russian S-200 and S -300 anti air suppression system that the USAF total destroyed in one of the most highly contested airspace zones in the world at that time. The Bush/Obama Administration literally put the country in this horrible situation by going to war for 20 years and not supplying our forces with the equipment in the numbers that they needed like the order for almost 800 F-22 that ended up being less than 200 aircraft with the cost of the R&D and the unit costing the country over 300 million dollar a piece! The F-35 program was a 1.5 Trillion dollar mistake. It has only one engine, can’t hold enough fuel, horrible range and can’t hold enough bombs or AIr to air weapons. The only saving grace is the experience lockeed Martin got in building this new 6 generation fight that they say they have flown and will have in the early 2030’s but they also said that about the F-35 so I guess we will all be surprised one way or another!
Enemy: "They've sent up a single fighter plane." General: "Send our fighters to intercept." "Sir, he's shot our planes down." "WHAT? How many of them are lost?" "Uh...all of them, General."
I read in another article that the main purpose of the F15 EX is the role of a missle barge: Their numerous missles can be directed by F-22 and F-35 fighters. Thus, the more stealthy jets can find opposing fighters and direct F-15 EX missles without betraying the stealth fighters' positions.
The reason for this change and the reason for the increased load out is to better work with 5th gen items.. it will be 5th gen targeting using the more heavily loaded 4th gen aircraft to carry the payload and fire from a distance without having to actually enter into engagement ranges… one f35 will target for 6-7-8-10 f15’s
No It's not. The F-15EX will get *obliterated* if it ever faced 5th Gen Stealth Fighter enemies and will not be meaningfully superior against 4.5 Gen fighters. Even F-35's would likely kick it's ass much less F-22 Raprors....
@deleted_user_ So the F-15EX will essentially be used as *Cannon Fodder* to be eaten alive by enemy 5th Generation Aircraft and Modern SAM systems while stealthy F-22's and F‐35's do the actual hard work?
@@michaelstodovski2219 I don't think you understand the role it's intended to play. It wouldn't be deployed solo against a 5th gen enemy, so it's not a debate about "OoO mY pLaNe WoUlD bEaT yOuRs". It's clearly intended to supplement 5th gen, not supersede it.
@@michaelstodovski2219 Did you watch the video until the end? An F35 carries a limited number of missiles cause of its stealth. F15 can carry twice as many. You fly a squad of 3x F15 and 6x F35, you bait enemy squads in. F15s spam their missiles which will be guided by invisible F35s who will spot incoming targets, flank and take them out.
The F15EX grabs the mic: "I got an Amraam for you ,and an Amraam for you , and an Amraam for you...EVERYBODY GETS AN AMRAAM!" Basically the F-35 or the new 6th Gen is in enemy airspace while the F-15EX hangs back 30 miles F-35: " He's over here , over here, squawk squawk, over here!" F15EX: " Here you go sweetheart ." 30 seconds later J-20: "WTF!?!?!?" F-35: " Oh , thats a lot of missiles....it would be a real shame if I used my sensors to guide them into you." Both sides are betting that an air war will be planes with stealth scouting for targets and calling in missile strikes from support aircraft.
@Drew Peacock The AIM-260 JATM is the replacement for the AIM-120. So when the Airforce says the F15EX will carry 14 Amraam's they are actually saying it can carry 7 JATM's. Twice the range, very low radar cross section the ability to network with the sensor arrays of multiple aircraft , visual target lock, a jet powered version with a 300 km range. This missile comes in to the fight from far away , very difficult to detect , hard to defeat and a very high probability to hit. For a lot of pilots the first indication they have of an incoming missile is when it explodes, if they do spot it and maneuver to avoid it , a nearby stealth aircraft will take control of it and guide it back on target. Lets say the pilot is top-notch and manages to avoid the missile until it runs out of energy....while he was maneuvering to avoid the missile , the still undetected stealth fighter was lining up to shoot him. Its becoming obvious that the new 6th gen fighter is going to be a small fast fighter that sneaks into enemy airspace to provide targetting information for the new JATM. Once airsuperiority is established , the F15EX switches from being a "missile truck" for the 6th Gen and becomes a ground attack aircraft while the 6th Gen provides an air cap for the strikes.
@Drew Peacock that wasnt back pedaling , you nit picked a casual statement , I then informed you that your nit-picking was technically inaccurate. You're like those guys that smugly state that "Diamonds arent stones" when one woman compliments another womans engagement ring...even though a stone is a hard, nonmetallic mineral. (Diamonds actually are stones)
It's a Strike Eagle with extra pylons and all the drawbacks that entails. If we're going by pure maximum missile payload, the Raptor still wins. (There is a reason why the F/A-18I's Stealth Pod is cross compatible with the Raptor.)
@@tristantully1592 The Raptor can carry the AIM-120D just as easily as the AIM-120C-8. Both which fit inside the SWP the F/A-18I has been strutting around. Completely ignoring that the Raptor could just as easily carry 4 of any future AWACS killers that the Air Force might put out in the future on it's wing pylons. People just like to ignore that dropping pylons after ordnance expenditure is a thing, has been for a long time, and the Raptor can do it after it's fired it's wing mounted weapons. Then it goes back to being one of the best stealth aircraft in the world. The F-15EX stays stuck as a fat, obvious radar target. The Silent Eagle would of been a much better play.
Not everything needs stealth. There's only ~200 of these being made. This will essentially haul the ammo for the stealths at a fraction of the operating cost
I think that's a bit of a simplistic view. The added pylons are much less important in my opinion than the new electronics and countermeasure systems being implemented, which will make it much more survivable than a F-15E against more modern opponents. Even if the Raptor could theoretically bring more missles to the fight, it would be severely hampered in regards to range, and would have to heavily rely on some sort of tanker. It would make more sense to keep the F-22 in its standard configuration, deployed ahead of a F-15EX with bags, possible outsized long-range missles, or just a larger missle load, keeping any potential tanker assets further from the fight. As much as I love the F-22, there are some roles just better suited to other fighters.
What I've heard is this will be a second line missile truck that launches radar guided missiles from behind the stealth platforms at oncoming hostiles, then either bugs out if facing superior platforms, or can hang around and dogfight if needed against peer or inferior platforms.
I remember seeing the first prototype F15 at Ewards AFB in 1974.... I knew this Aeroplañe ws going to be a game changer!!! And it's still kicking ass and taking names incredible!!!!! 🐦
First time I ever saw one was climbing vertically over Lambert Field in St Louis. It was twinkling in the sun as it rolled in the vertical climb. Was in 1977. I thought it was a rocket.
Hope Indonesia could buy 8-36 of it along with 36 Rafales, 6 FREMMs, 2 Maestrale class frigates, ± 2 redesigned Iver class frigates, (potentially) 8 Mogami class frigates, etc
@@barakaobombervsronaldraide3098 though if Indonesia got embargoed by the US, they will still be able to use SU-35. But, this idea is uneffective because Russia may not give Indonesia the ability to do MROs for their SU-35. Plus, the weapons are sold seperately, the cost to operate and maintain the SU-35 is much more expensive than Rafales and the Eagle II and you haven't count the cost to transport the fighters to Belarus for MROs. So yeah, Indonesia is starting to kinda scrap the idea to buy 11 of them
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If the modern UK was teleported back to 1940 after the fall of France, Could it defeat Nazi Germany by itself?
Could you do 6 day war 2021 hypothetical war (Include Lebanon and Iraq as well.)
@@RemberReach Maybe. France for sure couldn't.
Someone in the Air Force played Ace Combat and asked why we cant have 72 missiles on a single plane
Jesus. What fighter could even hope to carry that amount of missiles. Are the engines also missiles?
@@Marth667 Probably the jet itself is also a missile too, like WW2 Japanese Kamika-
@@senatorstevearmstrong3449 40mm Bofors: Imma stop you right there
@@Marth667 In-air missile rearming
Maybe they are even considering those front flaps that has f15 modification in Ace combat 7
I had to listen to that opening line 3 times to make sure I heard that right
i was wondering if my headphones aren't working correctly,or if there is some bug in my PC, lol
F-15EX - 5EX
I KNOW RIGHT!!! 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Best intro ever. Straight and to the point.
Go forward, America! Long live the Nato! Long live freedom! Down with all dictatorships and terrorists all around the world! Best wishes from Germany!
One fact makes it worth it. The F35 and F22 can maintain internal only load outs of their munitions to maintain stealth. The F15X can data link with those 5th gen. The 5th gen act as the eyes and the F15 further away act as the source of all the munitions.
I feel like this is the plan they’re going for. One f22 for every 2-4 eagles. F22 acts as point guard and strikes first
@@John_shepard Exactly, the F15 is still better than most. The F15x will cost less to maintain, developed via exports, and can still dog fight with the best. It’s really a super strike eagle. Navy will use the Super Hornets that same way with the F35.
This is actually insane, we didn't have this technology when the F15 was around now the F35-F22 can act as Point man feeding information to F15's that dont see the enemy yet but are able to unleash their payload becasuse the F35-F22's gave them targets well beyond their range.
Meanwhile the F35-22 can stick to their own role where they excel at which is stealth and situational awareness on steroids XD
Its like a spotter-sniper situation except in the air.
Totally agree F 22 F 35 forward planes and F 15 EX pack the punch the right tool for the right job.
Seems to cost similar money to the f35 without the stealth. Why not have the f35 for when you need stealth
So the legacy of the F-15 and Su-27 lives on....timeless airframes that are very versatile...
SU-57 differs.
So one trillion usd gone onto the drain and wasted talent on F22 F35 for so many decades. Why!
@@choolikyoon9939 they have different roles, they aren't using them in the same way
Range, payload and power plays a vital role in air combet.
@@choolikyoon9939 F35 is multirole, F22 is Air Superiority
It's not a matter of each one is "better" nor "one or the other". It's about a symbiosis of capabilities. The F-22 and F-35 stealth capabilities make them excellent "forward edge" platforms for engaging the enemy while the F-15EX is a high tech missile monster. The F-15EX's upgraded avionics and electronic warfare suites along with its massive missile loadout makes it the perfect companion to the stealth aircraft. The inter-connectability of the three platforms, along with EWACS and other electronic warfare aircraft gives the US a multi-layered forces that protects each other and yet are able to operate separately.
Yep, it’s a missile carrier for the more stealthy aircraft leading the way and designating targets.
f-22 is gonna be shacked. your logic is flawed.
@@riskinhos When the NGAD becomes operational the F-22's will go to the Air National Guard, but that's going to be awhile, I'm not going to hold my breath until they're "shacked", you can if you want.
Yep, the Israeli's know this. They ordered a whole bunch of F-15EX to compliment the F35s in their inventory.
@@riskinhos the Comanche program got "shacked" and then look what was left behind when Osama got "shacked" who knows what these guys have up their sleeves
‘’The F15 EX is pure sex’’
He is a man of culture.
Yes, pure *sex*
mega lol
I feel like someone at a board meeting considered that.
"So we plan to designate this variant the F-15X"
"Did you ever notice that a 5 looks a bit like an S?"
"Yeah, I guess, what of it?"
"What if we designated it the F-15EX? Then it would look like it's called the F-1SEX"
"You absolute madlad, I'll make some calls, this is gonna be hilarious."
@@hawawah8671 Well at this point the military seems desperate for recruits. Maybe this will get the incels on board lol.
Geez, I remember years ago when I was just out of college, I did some work for a team of consultants who were partnering with the USAF and certain contractors as they took early steps for transition to the F-22. Basically, EVERYONE on the F-15 side (maintenance, training etc) thought that the Eagle was doomed and would be a career dead end - you'd maybe get a few more years supporting the airframe, but the groundbreaking F-22 was where the future lay. Everyone was trying every trick in the book - and a few outside the book - to get fully into the F-22 program asap. Now, almost a quarter of a century later, it's the Raptor that that's more of a career dead end, and its the Eagle is going to be around for at least another 20-30 years in USAF service, with probably another 15+ on top of that when the USA sells the aircraft. It's going to get a lot of upgrades also, as that big, tough airframe can take a lot of punishment and trial new technologies. Someone starting an aviation career today in their 20s could likely retire working with Eagles both in the USA and with allied nations.
Anyone saying this back in the late 1990s would have been laughed at. But here we are.
the f22 is just too expensive to get any use out of it. it probably has gotten to a point where they are afraid to use it because of the cost of losing one. idk im no expert
@@atif1538 The biggest problem is the factories/machines that produced the F-22 were shut down long ago. It's not so much the planes themselves, it's that starting production again would be a huge expense. The F-15 on the other hand has been in constant production, so it's just easier to upgrade.
@@khandimahn9687 sad, would have loved to see that machine use its utmost potential.
@Fred Garvin where did i say that?
@@atif1538 I agree. I've been saying for a while now that the F-22 & F-35 were both dead ends, due to budgetary issues. The USAF would NEVER have enough of either, or both for that matter, to effectively fight a war with a peer level adversary, and that they would both fall to aircraft designed decades before them.
When he said ''The F15 EX is pure sex'' i felt that.
Binkov probably meant to say "The F15 EX is pure genuis. " Translation: 4th Gen trumping 5th Gen in lethality.
Bars.
@@tshavfengvang7831 4th gen ftw
Imagine a f16EX variety
If only the F-15EX had front canards and thrust vectoring nozzles....(as a literal ode to the F-15 S/MTD) it would have looked dope AF. (Which it may not even need).
im so glad this channel is finally getting around in recognizing just how stubbornly well-designed the f15 eagle really is. massively understated is how maneuverable it is at all speeds, keeping it a favorite in many situations. this is also the first plane that went supersonic going vertical.....
The EX is based off of the Strike Eagle, not the air superiority version, the C/D Eagle. It's no contest between the C and E variants so far as ACM. The EX will see mostly NORAD Homeland Security missions. The Eagle has had its issues though. Stood down from securing North America in 2007 while the Canadian CF-18s assumed the missions for 2-3 weeks IIRC. The platform had to be stood down due to a wing failure requiring fleetwide inspections. Apparently the Strike Eagles wing is better designed, a plus to the EX's superlong service life. 25,000 hours or something like that. The Streak Eagle attained some amazing thrust/weight ratios during its record attempts. The holdback devices used hold the Eagle back while the engines throttled allowed for some wicked short takeoffs. The video of the Streak Eagles on youtube.
@@hoghogwild It;s main mission is literally ar superiority and to replace the C varieant
@@anguswaterhouse9255 Yes, never said it wasn't. The Charlie Eagles are a much better air sup. platform. The EX is a Strike Eagle variant built for air sup.
@@hoghogwild The Charlie Eagles were better in the 70's and 80's, nowadays manouverability matters far less compaired to payload mass and radar size
@@anguswaterhouse9255 The Charlies are still in service without an operational replacement until EX comes online. WVR/ACM are still major drivers for current training. The EX won't be survivable against modern air defenses much beyond 2028 but will be perfect to perform homeland/airbase defense/no-fly zone enforcement against limited or no air defense systems as well as deploying standoff munitions, similar to the Charlies current mission..
A fantastic 4++ generation high performance airframe like the F-15 makes a great addition to the F-35 and F-22. The ability to carry future long range air to air and air to ground missiles allows great flexibility to any strike mission. Costing less to maintain is a great plus also!
Should bring back the Phantom II ?????
It's a missile truck or flying SAM site. If the aerial engagement becomes, too close and turns into a dogfight it's fucked...
"You can't just keep using the same plane for 40years!"
Russia and America: "Haha 27 and 15 go brrrrrrrrrr."
And B52
And Tu-95
The AC130 lasted quite a while too lol
B 52 will last 100 years
Kc-135 first flew in 1956 as well
The whole point is long range munitions fired from beyond radar range with the F-35s as spotters. Air and ground. And then once the enemy air defenses are down up to a certain radius for a plane that can come in and rain lots and lots of bombs while the F-35s continue to push deeper into territory.
good point
Best of both worlds.
The fear is stealth coating will be difficult to impossible to maintain in a prolong conflict. F35 has about a 50% readiness rate during peacetime. So sure if F35 destroys all air defense in a few weeks everything fine, however that’s probably not going to happen. It took 6 months to degrade Iraq air defense.
@@jaredyoung5353 how long did it take to take down iraq's air defense in gulf war 1? how long did it take in Vietnam? any of the Israeli conflicts? ww2? my point is that it's getting easier. So most likely the chinese know this and the tactics will be to spread out assets on a defensive level and only go for targets of opportunity. they have military industry so far inland that it makes it difficult to penetrate without losses/refueling. They are set for a prolonged war and they know we may create a corridor quickly. But if we don't get the decisive victory because of lack of battles it'll just be attritional. Which we absolutely wont and thus your point is right. But technologically we could have if tactics weren't changed. I really think if we do any war with china... less is more. We now more than ever need the chinese people on our side. But because of strategic realities this will be a cold war style proxy war instead. Which goes back to the idea that, yeah maybe stealth is good enough to beat underequipped PRC allies.
@@jaredyoung5353 F35 had the highest readiness out of fighters recently according to USAF.
F-22 were made to replace F-15
F-15 ah, this puts a smile on my face 😎
It's a shame too, the F-22 would have replaced the F-15 had its production not been cut at 170/750 ordered fighters. But sadly there was no point in fielding a fighter that expensive when the military was focused on counter terrorism and counter insurgency.
@@HomelessCows There is an additional wrinkle, and this is at least in part why more Raptors weren't made (price being the big one though), and that is that the US doesn't want an F-22 falling into enemy hands. SO, fewer F-22s used only when the F-22 is particularly needed helps prevent the proliferation of its stealth and sensor fusion tech. But you still need all those missiles to hit whatever the F-22 (or F-35) finds - hence the F-15 EX. And if a few F-15 EXs get downed, well that's less of a big deal than losing an F-22. In reality, stealth drones are what will be killing the F-22 (and F-35) mostly, not other fighters.
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F22: I am here to replace you F15...ha ha ha!!!
F15 to F16: Hold my beer ......
It's a Boeing subsidy, its as simple as that. It's illegal for the state to hand over billions in cash so they bought these crappy planes instead.
I love that a plane designed with a slide rule is still being used and produced today, if a bit updated. The f-15 is still an extremely capable air frame
Sir John Napier Log Tables far more accurate than a Slide Rule!
F-22: “I’m the future of air combat.”
F-15: “I was here before you were born, and I’ll be here after you’re gone.”
Badass quote for a badass plane
one day we could see an f-22ex lol
@@anguswaterhouse9255 i doubt it, f-15 have numbers total in the thousands in US along, if u counted it ally numbers and those sold to other cuntry as well, there enough out there to give enough sells point to make upgraded version. f22 on the other hand number less then 200 total, ban for export, rather then it gettign upgrade version, they will just replace it with the next 6th gen fighter. rather then complete retire teh f22, if anything they will most likely be use as front line intercepter cause of it stealth and speed.
@@yia01 Yeah, i was wrong america has baout 500
@@anguswaterhouse9255 Nah, the USAF is already planning on retiring the f-22s by the 2030s to make way for the F/A-XX
I love all of Binkhov’s content, but for some reason he really seems to nail aircraft and air-to-air combat the best.
Same here, thanks so much Binkov.
Wouldn't really say Binkov is the best in terms of detail, but his content is definitely the most approachable, require little advance knowledge to get the general idea, whilst not sacrificing too much in terms of accuracy.
Binkov is great! Good Intel and research they do here
he's not the best with alt history but with this stuff he seems to know his stuff
Because it’s very fact based without much room for weirdos to cry “muh bias!” Or “muh doesn’t know what he’s talking about!”
sometimes you need a scalpel, sometimes you need a brick
Sometimes you need a 10mm pistol sometimes you need a fatman launcher
Sometimes you need stealth, sometimes you need 18 missiles.
More like a sledgehammer
When you need a really big brick...send in the buff.
LOL; Outstanding quote.
My grandfather designed and optimized those engines for the F15 and F16 back in his days at Pratt.
Being a janitor in the building doesn’t count dude
@@vgatorfl92 Don't be so hard on yourself!
Tell him good job overcoming stagnation (ask him to explain)
I think the EX was a smart move for the Airforce .. and I think the EX pave the way for taking a look back and beefing up proven platforms instead of trying to make future star fighters that are to costly to operate.
The catch 22 is the EX uses a lot of lessons learn from the F22 / F35 programs.
The F-15 is like the Great White Shark. It's so perfectly designed that with just minor changes it's still an apex predator long after it's introduction.
Only problem is if the Chinese are further ahead than we think in missile/radar/ECM department.
Fighters never operate in a vacuum either. There's always the possibility of assets on the ground or at sea either friendly or hostile that will add to the general mayhem and "fog of war"
It's a very powerful, versatile machine but without stealth it's only as good as its longest range missle and it will be forced to rely on stealthier units to help find its targets.
Nothing wrong with a missle truck. But it doesn't work without more advanced assets in the field.
It turns out that anything more advanced becomes too expensive to outfit a whole air-force with.
@@alexanderbutler2989 Can you see a Big Whale jumping out of the Ocean = F-15EX.
@@jonofpdx A Lorry/Truck to carry Ordanace BUT the enemy KNOW the F22/F35 is 30 Miles ahead because of the HUGE Radar Signature.
I remember a USAF pilot said that the F-15 is basically a flying gunship in its own right, the thing is loaded with missiles
When it was introduced in the Israeli Air Force, the pilots even jokingly referred to the F-15s as Flying SAM Sites.
@@skybattler2624 u are right I mean it is loaded with AMRAAMS
Imagine how many a B-52 could carry!
@@gourmetbanana now that’s a lot
how many missiles will the F-15EX be able to carry?
imagine putting Sidewinders on top of those AMRAAM's so when you launch the AMRAAM you spoof the radar than you see each split into 5 different missiles.
Yo, dawg, I heard you like missiles, so we put missiles in your missiles!
How about a big ass 200 mi A2A missile that splits in to 4 submunitions a few kms out
I mean, you COULD use a missile like the JASSM, but instead of its own warhead and seeker add three or four AIM-9x, launch the package toward the enemy formation and have the missiles engage when in optimal range.
Launch that boom-stick in TWS mode with semi-active guidance and the enemy might never know what hit them...
Sounds unrealistic to me. The four Sidewinders weigh more than one AMRAAM rocket. So AMRAAM would have a lot of parasite mass to carry. This would drastically decrease range. But nice idea.
@@---hm5yd Develop a nuclear engine for the missiles? 🤷♂️
"So, Jim, how many missiles do you want on this plane?"
"All of them."
you should've said "Yes."
@@republicofustio4381 No, I'm tiring of seeing that
@@republicofustio4381 Sorry
Yep. Another standard meme.
"So Jim, surely all those extra missiles were enough?"
"No, I need more."
As a retired CAF pilot I can say confidently the F15 is an absolute killer. Worth every penny lol
I understand the CAF wanted the F15 but they got the F18 for political reasons.
Makes sense for trained pilots, logistics and experience. The airframe hour increase is good too. Will it make a great missile truck for the F-35? That is the big question.
Imagine being such a chad Air Force you can literally have an aircraft called “F-1 SEX”
Coincidentally the Chad airforce has pretty much SU25s.
lmao
Actually, calling it the "F-1 SEX Eagle II"
F U C K I just made that comment and I scrolled down 😫
Also Hell Yeah Murica
10:25 - the most badass formation of non-identical fighters ever assembled.
When I think of a fighter jet, I think of a F-15. Iconic.
Yeah, same here, but at the back of my mind floats the image of a gull winged, twin engined, tandem seat fighter with a funny looking tail and an M-61 20mm cannon directly in front of the nose gear. I'm not sure what this "Phantom" in the back of my mind is, but it's so ugly that it is pretty.
You are a chad
I usually get the Tomcat in head or the Mig21
@Adisura Same
With the MiG-21
Glad the USAF has some people with common sense procuring weapons. You did a good job of enumerating the many practical reasons to keep the F-15 assembly line going. It is the best system to augment our stealth fleet. Some designs have long legs, like the B-52's. It is said that the crews of the B-1s, B-2's will be ferried back from the Boneyard by the BUFF's. It might be that the pilots of the F-35, F-22 will fly an F-15EX back to base from the boneyard...
A couple of points. Mach 2+ fighters can't do that speed when loaded with externals. The F-16 with 3 EFTs, two 2,000 lb bombs & 2 AIM-120 has its top speed reduced to Mach 1.3...... Even when lightly loaded, the penalty is substantially - EF Typhoon for instance, with Mach 2 top speed is limited to Mach 1.6 with 6 AAMs and NO drop tank. The Eurofighter's top speed is reduced to Mach 1.6 with just 4 BVRAAMS, and 2 SRAAMS, which is just a light air-to-air load. The Rafale with 2 SCALP missiles, 4 MICA and 3 EFTs is restricted to 4 g instantaneous turn and Mach 0.9 top speed. ...... I don't know what the specs are for the F-15EX, but you can rest assured it's not Mach 2.5 when loaded with externals, including just air to air missiles The F-35 can actually do it's top speed of Mach 1.6 with a full internal load, soon to have 6 internal AMRAAMs.
And did you hear about the Dutch exercise with Blue Air having 2 F-35s and 4 F-16s vs Red Air with 8 F-16s? The 4 F-16s killed all 8 of the F-16s without loss. The Dutch purpose was to see if F-16s could be used to shoot down enemy aircraft under F-35 guidance, while preserving their own air-to-air load. The excellent sensor system of the F-35 guiding F-16s worked perfectly. ..... In recent Red Flags, the US is also fighting F-22s, F-35s, and 4 gen fighters with both Red Air and Blue Air. I'm sure the USAF knows how to enhance 4 gen fighter capabilities with F-35s and F-22s too.
What were the ROE?
@@fordwk it doesn't matter what the ROEs are. The F-35 clubs 4 gen fighters like baby seals..... in every exercise.
F-14s could bust Mach 2 with 4 AIM-9 and AIM-7's and 2 bags of fuel, back in the 70's.
@@hoghogwild But not for very long. From full tanks to empty was usually less than 15 minutes in burner.
@@777Outrigger OK?
B-52: Dumptruck for bombs. F-15: Dumptruck for missiles.
With F-22 and F-35 providing targeting info via new network capability.
The B52 can carry a lot, has been for over 60 years
The Costco of munitions.
Binkov's and Covert Cabal are my favorite military channels, informative, factual and entertaining
I'll add Sub Brief, Bharat Shakti, Cybersurg and Lindybeige.
Sandboxx is awesome
The F-14 Tomcat and F-15 Eagle are the two sexiest fighters ever made.
You are forgetting SU 57
@@t.t7225 no.... No I'm not.
Tomcat will always be my favorite fighter
@@silvershelbygt500 you are.
They are also some of the best,easily top 10 and maybe even top 5
I am so happy that my country will be the only one getting the F-15EX with the USA. We are gonna get 42 F-15EXs in total and 60 F-35s. We would be the strongest Air Force in the region.
F-35: "I'm stealthy and can get super close before taking out 2 enemies in one sortie!"
F-15-2: "Nice, kid. I'm not stealthy, but I can take out 6+ enemies in one sortie! Maybe even drop some bombs too, while I'm out there."
"Nice, kid. I'm not stealthy, but..." (BOOM)
F-35 actually does stuff from a lot further away than nme can first see it. So if its a capable dogfighter too, I have no idea.
F-18: "Sure I'm tied to the carrier, but I can go Mach 1
F-22: "Beat it kid. I'm stealthy and flying over the Kremlin."
That's actually not how it works. At all. 😂
@@willbracken2367 how so? Prime me wrong. You can't.
The Legion Pod ( IRST) will provide F-15X pilots with the ability to identify, track and target aircraft, including stealthy platforms that cannot be “seen” on radar, in complex electronic warfare environments. The Legion Pod pre-developmental test phase began in early 2019.
3D modeling looks great! Nicely done
That opening line was just unexpected, it just wasn’t Binkov… AND I LITERALLY REPLAYED 3-4 TIMES IN THE BEGINNING TO SEE IF MY EARS WERE OKAYING TRICKS ON ME!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
Given the huge upgrades to the underlying technology/computing power of the F-1SEX, I think it should be considered a Gen 4.5 aircraft. A good blend of the technololgy of the 5th Gen, with the proven capabilities of a 4th Gen.
I agree.
F-1"S"EX?😄😄 Like the Mitsubishi F-1 Super Extended?😄
@@chaovo7629 😂 doh...
The separating factor between 4th and 5th gen fighters is stealth. Unless its been given some form of stealth upgrade I would disagree as it being between the two. I wouldn't say Russia or China have any genuinely 5th gen fighters either. The only fighters that are genuinely above 4th gen are the f35 and f22 IMO
The REAL reason I've found from working on F-15's? Maintenance. We have so many spare parts for them that until we've reached something that's leaps and bounds better for a cheaper price, we're probably not transitioning for a LOOOOOOONG time. Originally the F-22 was supposed to phase out the 15's, but since the 22 was more expensive, we opted to keep the 15's as a stable backbone and simply improve on a tried and true hardworking jet.
I always championed the f-15 for these and other reasons.
It's cheaper, easier to maintain, bigger, faster and more deadly than the f-22 or f-35.
What did the guy say? 16 AMRAMs?
I would never load it like that unless I was fighting a pack of other 4th gen fighters but it shows what a monster it is.
Pity no stealth. J-20s and j-24s with pr-15s or that other 6 meter beast would be a threat
Great coverage on the new F 15ex(y).
It’s great to see the full potential of these platforms coming into reality. The platforms were very advanced in design for their initial releases, but the computer tech (while great for the time) wasn’t anywhere near it’s full potential.
Now, the tech has caught up and we can turn these old frames into modern masterpieces.
Would love to see the F16 get updated to the most modern level possible.
I love the bald headed guy on the right at 2:02, his reaction says it all, it says "what the hell? it's the same damn thing."
The B-52 was supposed to be scrapped during the Carter years but being a flying launch platform saved the BUF and billions in development and years in lag time
Carter canceled the B-1 which was supposed to replace B-52, so the USAF had no choice but to hang on to B-52s. USAF said that the B-52 would no longer be likely to enter contested airspace and survive by the mid 1980s. The solutions offered were to reverse the cancellation of B-1, wait on the B-2 and get some of those, or rely on more standoff weapons that can be used from the edge of defended airspace. In the end, all of these options were partially pursued but none in sufficient numbers to fully replace B-52. The treaty that banned B-1 from carrying nukes prevented it from replacing the nuclear mission of B-52. The very small numbers of B-2 prevented them from doing all nuclear missions. Thus despite being replaced by two new bombers that are both more effective than B-52s, they hung on in service because of political and budget decisions.
@Fred Garvin He was wrong. The B-1 is better than the B-52 in almost every way. Even the B-1A model that was less focused on reducing observabilty and more focused on speed. Building hundreds of B-1 could have meant earlier retirement of B-52. Half of the B-52s were chopped up at the end of the Cold War to comply with a treaty. All of the B-52s could have been destroyed instead if there were enough B-1 already built to replace them. This would also have eliminated the possibility of sacrificing nuclear fusing on the B-1 by treaty since the B-52 would be gone and the B-2 still secret and in small numbers. We could have had 200 B-1A plus 200 B-1B all with nuclear weapons capability retained.
B-1B even now can carry more standoff weapons than B-52, with about the same cost to operate them. B-1B have are tiny on radar compared to B-52 and much easier to hide using electronic warfare. The speed of B-1B, even with much sacrificed for lower observability, is still much better than B-52 and allows them to respond faster to urgent target missions and get in and out faster. The only thing the B-52 does better is maximum unrefueled range but B-1B can still reach all the same targets because of pretty good range of thousands of miles and aerial refueling.
If B-1kept the nuclear fusing and fully replaced B-52 it is likely we would now see a B-1C model that like the F-15EX would be better under the skin with easier maintenance and lower cost to operate in addition to some incremental capability enhancements.
@Fred Garvin B-2 were not built in enough numbers to do such missions on a large scale. They also arrived much later than the original B-1. Furthermore, the B-2 cost vastly more to operate than B-1 which is why B-1 has been the workhorse bomber for the last few decades while B-2 mostly sit in hangars.
@Fred Garvin
We agree saving the BUF proved functional. But with over 1,462 days in office, getting 1 right is making contact once in a career of T-Ball
@@stupidburp when I think of all the money wasted these days by my government, 2 billion a pop for a B-2 seems like a bargain 👩🔧🇺🇲🛠️🇷🇺
It's still worth it and still makes sense. Especially when paired with F-35/stealth fighter's sensors. Also, majority of enemy fighters are still non-stealthy.
Is not meant to replace the F-22....the F-15EX is the shooter, not the search+track player.
That clip @10:30 though! Possibly one of the most beautiful clips ever recorded.
As much as I love the look of Mig-29 & SU-27 ( family ) , there is 1 fighter, that proved himself as the best - the ( already ) legendary F-15.
I red alot of stuff about F-15 developement, I was sad when F-15 STOL/MTD was not put into operation, and / but after all the years of focusing on stealth fighters, here we go again, back to the best, combat approved king of the figters.
Murica, you surprised me in the possitive sence of the word 😎👍
The thing is, the F-15 has yet to meet a Flanker in combat, and has mostly shot down ground-attack planes or drones in its service history. The only key exception is 5 Fulcrums during Desert Storm, which is a small sample size.
@@rkr9861 actually the F-15 has several dozen MiG-23 and MiG-21 kills too.
@Fred Garvin the SU-27 has 6 kills I think. Ethiopian-Eritrean War.
I wonder if the Russian AF has come to a similar conclusion regarding the SU-57. I know they are building them in relatively low numbers, and it seems they are focusing more on keeping the SU-27, 30 and 35's up to date as their main-line air superiority fighters.
Russia is physically incapable of manufacturing Su-57's in large numbers. So probably yes, the 27-based platforms will prevail.
Possibly, although I watched a Russian made "documentary" (propaganda vid) that made blatant claims that the SU57 is superior to the F22 and F35.
If they truly believe this they'll try to keep building as many of them as they can (which won't be many let's face it).
They're likely to concentrate on their own 6th Gen research as other countries are skipping 5th gen and reaching for 6th.
Either way, I think the F15EX will be a deadly complement to the F22s and F35s (and the F X(6th gen) successor to the F22....
@@Sajuuk they don't. We have access to older Soviet and NATO war exercises. Both sides overestimated each other immensely
@@hman8338 Better than underestimating each other, I suppose.
@@ildart8738 Please you don't make sense, Russia can build them in large numbers they just don't want to. This is because it goes against their strict operations guidelines. They are terrified of repeating the mistakes of the Soviet Union. That is their weakness, easy example is Afghanistan.
They have a budget and are very tight to that. They are focus on having just enjoy military and the rest is on internal development of society (population growth included)
Now that the F -15 EX is on the scene the F-35 is properly armed .
F-15EX is going to the National Guard for CONUS air defense. It isnt a frontline fighter.
The f35 is a pretty heavy hitter in its own right in beast mode. Not as stealthy then though
@@EmperorLionflame It doesn't fly like a brick for a start and beast mode will be used in conjunction with other jets using stealth mode. One can detect other platforms without being detected at range or easily and the other can light it up from maximum range
@@EmperorLionflame Comparing the F35 to a spy plane is disingenuous at best. Most of the bad press the F35 has had has come from states who seek to undermine the F35 program. The F35 isn't designed to operate on its own and beast mode just adds in more flexibility. Having a platform undetectable to radar that is operating along side strike platforms is a huge advantage. It's how the UK nuked the US in war games, twice.
@@EmperorLionflame there totally different platforms with different roles. Nearly all of the info I've seen out of the US on the F35 rubbishes the scare stories about the platform. Exactly the same tactics will be used with the F35 as we're used on those Vulcan led excersises. The Vulcans had to go high to avoid radar, the F35 with go stealthy to do the same. In beast mode the F35 can carry up to 16 missiles. You have 1 jet that can forfil both roles in this kind of scenario. It's a struggle to put the meteor on it? It can either be done or it cannot and we both know it can. The F35 is also designed with the future in mind, it will operate along side armed drones, identify targets while remaining unseen and will allow it's drones to take the shot remaining hidden. The F35 can do an awful lot the F16 can't do as great a platform as it is.
Im still amazed that the F15 will outlive the fighter that was supposed to replace it. Must be a hell of a plane.
NOPE
The F-15 EX it's an excellent support weapons platform for the F-35 and F-22. The only thing they need is an F-15 or F-16 with an ECM System, that way the F-15 EX would be totally protected.
It has it. EPAWSS on the F-15EX performs multiple functions. Some of the hardware is also similar enough to Growlers that it could replace them in the EW role for the USAF instead of leaning on the Navy for that capability since the EF-111 were retired.
@@stupidburp That was my thought. Though that EW role is kind of becoming obsolete because of the sheer power and bandwidth of modern radars. For now it's still viable, but I wouldn't be surprised if that sort of jamming by small aircraft becomes useless in the next couple decades
A tremendous platform, just like its little brother, the F-16.
Like the B-52, changes in weapons and electronics and changes in operational plans can make an older aircraft still useful. It is no longer being used as an air superiority in the classical sense. Remember that the F-22 was the air superiority fighter and the F-35 was to be the equivalent to the F-16 when it was first deployed, i.e. a fighter bomber. The main reason for the delays in the F-35 and its cost was refitting the design to do roles for which it was not originally designed. There is only between 40 and 60% commonality between the three versions, meaning that actually there is no economy in parts inventory since many different components are needed. So, like many bad decisions before it, the real failure isn't the aircraft; but the bad decisions. Solution, having a gun truck firing at range with the stealth platform providing the targeting. Is the concept workable, we shall see
Indonesia will be buying 30 of this bad boy!
My dad worked at the McDonald Douglas in St Louis for 22 years, he built the F15 back in the day. He was very proud of that.
Mysterious Chinese missile isnt meant to kill fighters though. Its meant as a bomber/cruise missie/awacs killer. It can most likely be out maneuvered they dont have infinite fuel. We need a new phoenix missile that can maneuver as well as fly 400 miles a hypersonic long range Air to air missile.
Pheonix missile is more like 150 miles and it dont turn great
Phoenix missile cant shoot down figther type targets at maximum range.
Pl15
Pl16 has ducted ramjet like meteor and range of 500km with high maneuver
@@aydincakiroglu1665 ]
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When it first came out the Soviets called it a flying Surface to Air battery!
I wonder what they will call this 16 missiles variant now?
Ahhh that's the stuff I needed. Nothing like having a sock puppet with a Russian accent telling me about war and its tools to start my morning.
Coffee ☕!!
The fact that it was getting upgraded by other countries is fantastic because that means the production line is still running and that the US didn't have to pay for the R&D.
When someone says "fighter jet" I always picture a F-15 silhouette. So happy to see it getting a refresh.
The F-15 is one of the most successful combat aircraft of the modern era. The plane can fly even with one wing off!!!
The F-18 is cooler, though.
@@demun6065 it is true at Mach 1.8 the exterior of the F18 does not experience the rigorous temps experienced by the F15. So it is cooler. The F15 capable of Mach 2.5+ and able to accelerate in vertical climb and surpass Mach 1 along with weapons loading far beyond the F/A 18s capabilities. The F15 is the king of air combat until another platform surpasses its kill/loss ratio. Also I have great respect for the F/A 18.
@@chasefreedom5178 f16 better
@@richiejosephmazumder7632 In some aspects yes but not all. Both have weaknesses. But better? I disagree.
The Commissar always makes the day better
Well, if you can't find the stealth aircraft, let your stealth aircraft find their stealth aircraft and feed you the targeting data.
With the new larger weapon ejector racks and the emphasis on mission flexibility, i would fully expect rack mounted towed decoy options and expanded decoy dispensers
10:16 That's a beautiful, beautiful picture right there. All of our top of the line fighters together in one video.
Oh my god. I never thought I'd hear that come out of his mouth.
Those Chinese long range air to air missiles really arent a threat to US fighters at that kind of range, especially the F-35 and F-22. That is because any modern fighter will detect and perform evasive maneuvers. Those long range missiles are only a threat to slow transport and AWACS type aircraft. Lastly we all know that the J-20 isnt very stealthy and is totally outmatched by the F-35 and F-22.
We are developing the future long range AIM-260 for a reason and it isn't ISiS.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-260_JATM
How do you know the J-20 isn't very stealthy?? Lemme guess.. Eyeballing right??
How much you have access to classified information including classified information on how stealth works, I'm not sure how you're making your assessments. Now based on the angles used by stealth aircraft, I personally question how stealthy the J-20 is from any angle other than head on. But I'll be the first to admit that it's a relatively uninformed position, even if it's been backed up by the analysis of defense analysts and former pilots.
Then again, how good is good enough? There are many who say that the YF-23 was stealthier than the YF-22, but lost out because of issues with its complicated missile bays
Modern long range missiles are becoming much more effective due to various improvements. They are more of a threat than previous generation missiles even when used against agile evasive aircraft.
@Fred Garvin what makes you think they're slow flying? And she only speaking, the more energy a missile has, I eat the more speed it has in the terminal phase, the more dangerous the missile is
I used to be sad as a child thinking my favorite jets were being replaced but now the viper, eagle 2 and block 3 super hornet will outlive their successors
and it's sad because the F-22 is the best of them all
I didn't think the A-10 would be around by the time I joined the military. That was the late 80s and they're still here so you never know.
@@Calzaghe83 as a National Defense weapon, yes
maybe not the viper/hornet, the F-35 was an actually good program and the F-35 is needed to continue service so J-20s and Su-57s don't start seal clubbing 4th gen jets, so when a J-20 is found by EWR F-35s can be scrambled, although there are tactics to beat 5th gen jets with 4th gen jets, they only work if there is only 1/2 5th generation jets to atleast 3 4th gen jets
Indonesian here. There are a lot of rumors that our air force will choose both Rafale and F15 ex (or more specific F15 id).
I think F15 ex will be useful for us because:
1. It's airframe capability with so many hardpoints and weapon choices mean that it can fulfill multiple roles that our air force limited budget desperately needed.
2. F15 ex is useful to tackle UAV/UCAV that usually designed to avoid ground radar/SAM. With many hardpoints, several F15 ex equipped with massive number of cheap short range missiles could handle swarms of drones.
As an Australian, I would like us to purchase two or three squadrons of these. They could follow the F35s in on a strike and cause a huge amount of grief after air defences were neutralised. They would be equality deadly against land or sea assets.
Same here mate, for some reason where still twiddling our thumbs at the submarine deal gone wrong.
That's the American plan as well.
@@covenant_mog05 Most countries make plans for the next 5-20 yrs, Australia inks deals for current tech delivered in 50 years. Just an announcement for its own sake.
When the Super F-15 EX comes out, Binkov called it's nickname
missed oportunity for implementing the FAST pack concept
The pics of F-15EXs I'm seeing have CFTs/FAST packs. That said, it depends on what mission they are intended for. From what I'm seeing F-15s intended to dogfight would not have CFTs because they can't be jettisoned to save weight. So if they have FAST packs then the USAF is probably intending them primarily as missile trucks - which is the ideal air superiority role for them, IMO.
@@j.f.fisher5318 as far as I know CFTs are put in low pressure areas to minimize the performance and considering they got new engines it should balance out. And those CFTs are hard to take off so not taking them off reduces maintenance
@@Aaron-wq3jz yeah, I meant more as a strategic choice the apparent decision to equip them with FAST packs/Conformal Fuel Tanks suggests that the F-15EX is primary intended to be a missile truck, not primarily a dogfighter. Whether it is a low pressure thing or not the FAST packs on F-15s are mounted und the wing roots along the sides of the intakes as can be seen comparing the F-15E with other varients.
Yes, it’s worth it, because of the way that targeting data can be shared between aircraft when an F-22 or F-35 expends it’s internal ordinance it can still function as a link in the kill chain. The F-15 is fast and is still lethal enough to actively engage most threats, and because the USAF still maintains the institutional level ability to operate them the EX is a good fit.
The F-15 EX is an amazing aircraft,and it just looks so awesome.
Working with the F35 and F22 this is just a legandary Battle wagon! They lock on and the F15 Ex launches 🚀 16 missles at 16 planes! That’s a lot of dead Floppy fish, all the whole the F22 and F35 have full weapon load outs still and remain in complete stealth mode! No nation stand a chance vs these 3 !!!
And I thought Iron Eagle II was released in the 80's.
I hated those movies, because they used F-16 FALCONs instead of F-15 EAGLEs. Not to mention the crummy plot.
It looks like the high low mix will be with the “low” f15 and a high 6th gen fighter. There is a tip of the spear in the form of stealth and the f35/22 but since they are constantly needing to be at the bleeding edge they will be swapped more often. Lastly looks like f15s are gonna be the same as the B52 as a work horse of the airforce
It's a Boeing subsidy, its as simple as that. It's illegal for the state to hand over billions in cash so they bought these crappy planes instead.
@@tomx641 yes I am sure there is some aspect of that
@@tomx641 Not really, the Navy came to this conclusion years ago. The F-35 is a strike airplane, it was never designed to go toe to toe against fighters designed from the ground up for ACM. That is what the F-22 was designed for, but they bought less than half that they would need to replace the F-15C/D squadrons, and the Navy cancelled the NATF program (basically a Navy F-22). So the Navy bought modernized F-18s, and while unlike the USAF the squadrons are multi-role, they are the air group's interceptor force. Now the Air Force is basically doing the same thing with the F-15EX.
@@Teampegleg No. The F15 is a worse fighter than the F35. This contract is to keep Boeing in business, it has nothing to do with the aircraft's capabilities. The F15 is a crappy plane but having LM run a monopoly is even more expensive.
@@tomx641 The F-15 is one of the best fighters that the USAF has fielded in the jet age. Only the F-16 is better at ACM, but the Viper was designed for ACM from the ground up.
Ironically this reminds me of a tactic I used in MoO3 - small fast spotter loaded with ECCM followed by a bunch of slow dumb hulks that were basically missile racks with engines.
Spotter marked the target (often being lost in the process) and the hulks would launch and leave.
I beat moo3 using this tatic LOL as humans. That game was awesome but had it flaws.
@@computernerd8157 name of game?
@@williamblazkowicz5587 Master of Orion 3. The least liked of the of the moo games.
It’s basically the answer for a high- low system like today’s F-15CDE and F-16’s of different blocks. F-22 or F-35 basically just how high-low is working with 5th generation jets. They don’t need stealth priced jets for the majority of their missions but they are paying for them. This makes sense and gives them the opportunity to decide how they want to configure their stealth combinations for the future.
Spot on. Why have 100% stealth when you only need that capability to achieve air superiority?
Once you control the skies you can use non-stealth aircraft to deal damage.
@@Mugdorna Exactly. Once you have control over the contested airspace like America did in Iraq with their First 5th generation “Fighter” bomber that blasted the door down and Destroyed their Russian S-200 and S -300 anti air suppression system that the USAF total destroyed in one of the most highly contested airspace zones in the world at that time. The Bush/Obama Administration literally put the country in this horrible situation by going to war for 20 years and not supplying our forces with the equipment in the numbers that they needed like the order for almost 800 F-22 that ended up being less than 200 aircraft with the cost of the R&D and the unit costing the country over 300 million dollar a piece! The F-35 program was a 1.5 Trillion dollar mistake. It has only one engine, can’t hold enough fuel, horrible range and can’t hold enough bombs or AIr to air weapons. The only saving grace is the experience lockeed Martin got in building this new 6 generation fight that they say they have flown and will have in the early 2030’s but they also said that about the F-35 so I guess we will all be surprised one way or another!
Awesome video; great detail. Thanks.
Enemy: "They've sent up a single fighter plane." General: "Send our fighters to intercept." "Sir, he's shot our planes down." "WHAT? How many of them are lost?" "Uh...all of them, General."
That kind of also remind me of the Missile Boat from the old game Tie Fighter.
I hope it comes with a crown…..
….because the F-15 is now the KING of fighters…
Always has and always will be my favorite aircraft. So much so I’ve been arguing that it is better than F-22. And here we are....
I read in another article that the main purpose of the F15 EX is the role of a missle barge: Their numerous missles can be directed by F-22 and F-35 fighters. Thus, the more stealthy jets can find opposing fighters and direct F-15 EX missles without betraying the stealth fighters' positions.
The reason for this change and the reason for the increased load out is to better work with 5th gen items.. it will be 5th gen targeting using the more heavily loaded 4th gen aircraft to carry the payload and fire from a distance without having to actually enter into engagement ranges… one f35 will target for 6-7-8-10 f15’s
Basically:
F-15EX is when you need a heavy loadout.
F-16 is when you need something cheap. F-35 is when you need stealth.
and F22 for Airshows
@@Barracuda7 exactly
And the A-10 for when you need a job done right
Isnt the f22 better than the f35?
@@fernandoperez8587 air to air, yes, multi role, no
The combination of the EX and 35 is guaranteed to give headaches all over the world. Spear carrier and shooter combination.
Yes, yes it’s worth it.
No It's not.
The F-15EX will get *obliterated* if it ever faced 5th Gen Stealth Fighter enemies and will not be meaningfully superior against 4.5 Gen fighters.
Even F-35's would likely kick it's ass much less F-22 Raprors....
It is, it is very clever thinking of the US airforce.
@deleted_user_ So the F-15EX will essentially be used as *Cannon Fodder* to be eaten alive by enemy 5th Generation Aircraft and Modern SAM systems while stealthy F-22's and F‐35's do the actual hard work?
@@michaelstodovski2219 I don't think you understand the role it's intended to play. It wouldn't be deployed solo against a 5th gen enemy, so it's not a debate about "OoO mY pLaNe WoUlD bEaT yOuRs". It's clearly intended to supplement 5th gen, not supersede it.
@@michaelstodovski2219 Did you watch the video until the end? An F35 carries a limited number of missiles cause of its stealth. F15 can carry twice as many. You fly a squad of 3x F15 and 6x F35, you bait enemy squads in. F15s spam their missiles which will be guided by invisible F35s who will spot incoming targets, flank and take them out.
Very interesting and thorough as always!
Mr Hand, I'm surprised with your unbiased analysis of the F-15EX you have done your homework, good job Mr hand.
The F15EX grabs the mic:
"I got an Amraam for you ,and an Amraam for you , and an Amraam for you...EVERYBODY GETS AN AMRAAM!"
Basically the F-35 or the new 6th Gen is in enemy airspace while the F-15EX hangs back 30 miles
F-35: " He's over here , over here, squawk squawk, over here!"
F15EX: " Here you go sweetheart ."
30 seconds later
J-20: "WTF!?!?!?"
F-35: " Oh , thats a lot of missiles....it would be a real shame if I used my sensors to guide them into you."
Both sides are betting that an air war will be planes with stealth scouting for targets and calling in missile strikes from support aircraft.
J-20: *burning in flames plummeting to the ground*
@Drew Peacock The AIM-260 JATM is the replacement for the AIM-120.
So when the Airforce says the F15EX will carry 14 Amraam's they are actually saying it can carry 7 JATM's.
Twice the range, very low radar cross section the ability to network with the sensor arrays of multiple aircraft , visual target lock, a jet powered version with a 300 km range.
This missile comes in to the fight from far away , very difficult to detect , hard to defeat and a very high probability to hit.
For a lot of pilots the first indication they have of an incoming missile is when it explodes, if they do spot it and maneuver to avoid it , a nearby stealth aircraft will take control of it and guide it back on target.
Lets say the pilot is top-notch and manages to avoid the missile until it runs out of energy....while he was maneuvering to avoid the missile , the still undetected stealth fighter was lining up to shoot him.
Its becoming obvious that the new 6th gen fighter is going to be a small fast fighter that sneaks into enemy airspace to provide targetting information for the new JATM.
Once airsuperiority is established , the F15EX switches from being a "missile truck" for the 6th Gen and becomes a ground attack aircraft while the 6th Gen provides an air cap for the strikes.
@Drew Peacock that wasnt back pedaling , you nit picked a casual statement , I then informed you that your nit-picking was technically inaccurate.
You're like those guys that smugly state that "Diamonds arent stones" when one woman compliments another womans engagement ring...even though a stone is a hard, nonmetallic mineral.
(Diamonds actually are stones)
It's a Strike Eagle with extra pylons and all the drawbacks that entails. If we're going by pure maximum missile payload, the Raptor still wins. (There is a reason why the F/A-18I's Stealth Pod is cross compatible with the Raptor.)
Problem is of course the issue of long-range missiles the F-22 cant carry without ruining it stealth which the Air Force pays a premium to maintain.
@@tristantully1592 The Raptor can carry the AIM-120D just as easily as the AIM-120C-8. Both which fit inside the SWP the F/A-18I has been strutting around. Completely ignoring that the Raptor could just as easily carry 4 of any future AWACS killers that the Air Force might put out in the future on it's wing pylons. People just like to ignore that dropping pylons after ordnance expenditure is a thing, has been for a long time, and the Raptor can do it after it's fired it's wing mounted weapons. Then it goes back to being one of the best stealth aircraft in the world.
The F-15EX stays stuck as a fat, obvious radar target. The Silent Eagle would of been a much better play.
Not everything needs stealth. There's only ~200 of these being made. This will essentially haul the ammo for the stealths at a fraction of the operating cost
I think that's a bit of a simplistic view. The added pylons are much less important in my opinion than the new electronics and countermeasure systems being implemented, which will make it much more survivable than a F-15E against more modern opponents. Even if the Raptor could theoretically bring more missles to the fight, it would be severely hampered in regards to range, and would have to heavily rely on some sort of tanker. It would make more sense to keep the F-22 in its standard configuration, deployed ahead of a F-15EX with bags, possible outsized long-range missles, or just a larger missle load, keeping any potential tanker assets further from the fight. As much as I love the F-22, there are some roles just better suited to other fighters.
@@mikedejesus7064 That's your personal opinion rather then a lack of capability on the Raptor's part. Don't mistake one for the other.
That first line of the video LMAO
What I've heard is this will be a second line missile truck that launches radar guided missiles from behind the stealth platforms at oncoming hostiles, then either bugs out if facing superior platforms, or can hang around and dogfight if needed against peer or inferior platforms.
Too nice video from excellent specific channel clearly explained all superiority characters of F-15 EX fighter jets thanks for sending
I remember seeing the first prototype F15 at Ewards AFB in 1974.... I knew this Aeroplañe ws going to be a game changer!!! And it's still kicking ass and taking names incredible!!!!! 🐦
First time I ever saw one was climbing vertically over Lambert Field in St Louis. It was twinkling in the sun as it rolled in the vertical climb. Was in 1977. I thought it was a rocket.
Hope Indonesia could buy 8-36 of it along with 36 Rafales, 6 FREMMs, 2 Maestrale class frigates, ± 2 redesigned Iver class frigates, (potentially) 8 Mogami class frigates, etc
Indonesia is not buying su35s anymore?
@@barakaobombervsronaldraide3098 having 50% russian and 50% american is not a good day for the logistics
Besides, avionics are different
@@barakaobombervsronaldraide3098 though if Indonesia got embargoed by the US, they will still be able to use SU-35. But, this idea is uneffective because Russia may not give Indonesia the ability to do MROs for their SU-35. Plus, the weapons are sold seperately, the cost to operate and maintain the SU-35 is much more expensive than Rafales and the Eagle II and you haven't count the cost to transport the fighters to Belarus for MROs. So yeah, Indonesia is starting to kinda scrap the idea to buy 11 of them
@@25.muh.siswadibudiartodani88 What's a MRO?
@@barakaobombervsronaldraide3098 Maintenance, Repair, and Overhaul
Perhaps some sort of external carried "stealthy" container could be made for the F 35
stealth is not only achieved by coating..its keeping a low profile with as less edges as possible..so anything externally will damage the stealthiness
That was the best quote that I've ever heard as soon as the vid started.