Reason Tactical Squads are so terrible ruleswise by comparison is because GW wants everyone to give up on them already despite them being *THE* main Marine infantry squad for 30+ years.
Reason for Tactical is me thinking of coming back to the hobby but I last played in 3rd/4th edition and Tactical is what I have. :D Thinking of stripping the horribly painted 15 I have and redoing it all as Salamanders. Got 35 Tactical (Flamer x2, Missile x2, Lascannon), 10 Scouts with snipers and missile launcher, 5 basic Terminators, Captain, Librarian, Command Squad (Legends), Chaplain on bike (Legends?), Dreadnought with close combat+Storm Bolter and Melta, Landspeeder Tornado (Legends), Predator Annihilator.
100%!! I have 20 for my imperial fists and they’re so stubborn. I want 10 more. With a Biologus; they can hurt units too. 4/5 for me. Great vid bro, love your content and format. Can you do Custodes??
Primaris crusader squad can only use the scout move if they aren't being lead, as the leader needs to also have scout in order for the unit to be able to do so.
Oh thank God. I thought maybe I misread something. Was gonna be really mad if I couldve used my scout this whole time 😂 glad to know I'm reading things thoroughly
I learn to like the Intercessors and Assault Intersessoren. The objectiv holding of the normal ones is nice and you can move them to do secondarys. For Azrael i use 10 Assault intercessors as a cheap squad to steal objektivs and fight infatery. The sustain hit +1 and 4++ von azrael help them a lot.
I bought and painted the Tac Squad because im pretty new to the tabletop side of things and i love their kinda cheesy perma-scowl helmets and theyre THE marines I see throughout the years. Sucks to know theyre nerfed in this edition and it seems like most of the retro-leaning stuff (which are the ones i love especially) are getting phased out. I really wanted to use the guys in a game while also not wasting points on them so bad
Depending on the chapter you are planning to use you can utilize these as the more efficient alternatives like Blood Claws for SW, Crusaders for BT, Death Company for BA or DW veterans for DW. That will make it significantly more efficient.
Unless there's been a recent change that I missed, in 10th ed 40k, Tactical Squads are 10-man only, for 160 points. The reason they exist in 10th is, as others here have said, because people already owned them from previous editions (I got mine in 7th, for example), and the reason they suck is because all firstborn units are going the way of the dodo. Rhinos have been nerfed so that they can't carry Primaris units anymore, for example. Assault Squads have been yeeted into Legends already. Adding a Librarian to a Tac Squad does make them kinda funny, and slamming them inside a Rhino to shoot the special weapons through Firing Deck is nice, but by then, you've already dropped 300 points (160 from Tac, 65 from Librarian, 75 from Rhino) just for the meme.
Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely doing that meme strat. Giving a Tac Squad a Librarian for out-of-vehicle survivability, or a Lieutenant for the funny lethal hits, tickles me just the tight way. Will it win you games? Eh. Will it be funny? Yeah. Even funnier was the Clown Car strat: Slap two 5-man Devastator Squads in the Rhino, give them the Heavy Flamers, and take Firestorm. Holy shit, I cackled so much thinking that one up. Unfortunately, Devastators recently got their flamers taken away, so, big sadge. Also, if you're doing the Tactical Rhino strat, in 1k points, where a single vehicle makes all the difference, take Grav-weapons for the specials/heavies. Again, kinda niche, meme-level strats, but I'll be fucked if they aren't funny.
@@vfminiaturesOpe, so, while they can no longer be split in the roster itself, they did get the ability "Combat Squads", which says "At the start of the Declare Battle Formations step, before any units have been set up, this unit can be split into two units, each containing five models". So, you do still have to spend the 160pts, but you do get to split the Tactical Boys in two Squads... if you want to. So, I wasn't fully correct when I implied they couldn't be split.
@@LordCrate-du8zmTrue, but I think the Tac boys keeping the grav weapons still makes sense, using the Rhino as basically a fast-moving, anti-vehicle unit... An expensive one, yes, but a funny one, since, as far as I've seen so far, Vehicles are more used in 1k games than Monsters are. However, if you were talking about the Devastator Clown Car, you're absolutely right, and I completely forgot. Give them Multi-Meltas, make two squads of 5, each with an Apothecary for sustain, and you're laughing all the way to the bank. Would've been funnier if you could give them Lieutenants, but oh well. Maybe have one model per squad still equipped with either a Grav-Cannon or a Lascannon? Yeah, it's a 4+BS, but the Anti-Vehicle of the Grav can come in handy, and 3 Attacks isn't anything to scoff at. The 1 Attack of the Lascannon is kinda eeeeeh, and the 50/50 chance to hit is fine... but that S12 just about guarantees you're gonna Wound anything in your path, and that -3AP makes sure anything without an Invul Save is gonna eat that D6+1 damage. On the other hand, I'm not sure about using Melta Devastators VS Monsters. Monsters usually have great melee, and that 18 inch range on the Meltas does put them at risk of eating a Monster's melee if they get a lucky Charge off, even more on the 12 inch range needed for Close-Range Erradication to proc, and doubly so on the 9 inch range needed for the extra Melta damage to proc as well. I feel like Devastators shine against other units that, like them, aren't great at melee. On yet another hand, you Tokyo Drift the Rhino in close enough for everything to proc, you disembark your Devs, and you blast the monster with 10 Meltas... So, disregarding Oath, and assuming we're disembarking 8 inches away from, let's say, a Be'lakor (what matters to us here is the T10, Invul 4+ and W18, and we're disregarding Stealth, since, when it comes to odds, Stealth and Oath kinda cancel themselves out?). The Devastators shoot! 10 total models with Multi-Meltas, BS4+ and A2. So, out of 20 total attacks, 10 will pass the test. Next, we compare, and hey, we got ourselves S10 due to Close Range Eradication, so, we Wound on 4+, so, 5 attacks are going to wound. Next, the Monster does its invul saves, and, since 50% of 5 is 2.5, let's be generous and say that 3 attacks pass. Okay, so that's 3D6+6, for an average of... 16 or 17 damage. 11 if we say only 2 pass. The Rhino would have to get lucky with its shots in order to finish off the Monster before it could retaliate. Ofc, there's the rest of the army, but the same argument can be made for the enemy, Overwatch exists, etc etc.
You're not really missing anything on the pack leaders lol. In prrevious editions they could negate the bloodclaws downsides (they had to charge if possible) and you could take a terminator pack leader to tank hits (but now characters have to take hits last). ... you're spot on about tac squads getting nerfed to be eventually sent to legends tho :(
It’s semi-depressing that DW vets are so expensive especially considering the lack of warhead options compared to 9th. Like the faction is supposed to be semi-focused on veteran xenos killers with all the bells and whistles ffs, let alone the fact that the meta for the faction is so gravis heavy that it’s genuinely a financial investment in order to gain a foothold on the battlefield. ☠️ Hopefully when the codex comes out we will get a bit of personality back with actual warhead options instead of bigger alien killing hammer or electric butter-knifes, OR they might (copium huffing inbound) release new firstborn sculpts to supplement the Primaris side of the subfacruon. Make deathwatch great again FR 🫡
Well said, agree with every word!!! Dw as a faction has such potential and also doesn’t require nearly as much investment in terms of new minis like factions such as BA and SW for example.
Just a quick one, I believe blood claws can only go up to 15, not 20.
My mistake, misread it. Thank you!
@vfminiatures No worries haha, love your content!
Thank you ☺️
Reason Tactical Squads are so terrible ruleswise by comparison is because GW wants everyone to give up on them already despite them being *THE* main Marine infantry squad for 30+ years.
Reason for Tactical is me thinking of coming back to the hobby but I last played in 3rd/4th edition and Tactical is what I have. :D Thinking of stripping the horribly painted 15 I have and redoing it all as Salamanders. Got 35 Tactical (Flamer x2, Missile x2, Lascannon), 10 Scouts with snipers and missile launcher, 5 basic Terminators, Captain, Librarian, Command Squad (Legends), Chaplain on bike (Legends?), Dreadnought with close combat+Storm Bolter and Melta, Landspeeder Tornado (Legends), Predator Annihilator.
1 Squad of heavy Intercessors are indeed 3/5. but place 60 of them on the board and watch your enemy despair 😈
Exactly 😂😂😂
100%!! I have 20 for my imperial fists and they’re so stubborn. I want 10 more. With a Biologus; they can hurt units too. 4/5 for me. Great vid bro, love your content and format.
Can you do Custodes??
Primaris crusader squad can only use the scout move if they aren't being lead, as the leader needs to also have scout in order for the unit to be able to do so.
My god, that’s so stupid I didn’t even think about that, thank you!
Oh thank God. I thought maybe I misread something. Was gonna be really mad if I couldve used my scout this whole time 😂 glad to know I'm reading things thoroughly
I learn to like the Intercessors and Assault Intersessoren. The objectiv holding of the normal ones is nice and you can move them to do secondarys. For Azrael i use 10 Assault intercessors as a cheap squad to steal objektivs and fight infatery. The sustain hit +1 and 4++ von azrael help them a lot.
Reason for Tactical Squads...... There are still a million minis of them out there that people own.
I bought and painted the Tac Squad because im pretty new to the tabletop side of things and i love their kinda cheesy perma-scowl helmets and theyre THE marines I see throughout the years. Sucks to know theyre nerfed in this edition and it seems like most of the retro-leaning stuff (which are the ones i love especially) are getting phased out. I really wanted to use the guys in a game while also not wasting points on them so bad
Depending on the chapter you are planning to use you can utilize these as the more efficient alternatives like Blood Claws for SW, Crusaders for BT, Death Company for BA or DW veterans for DW. That will make it significantly more efficient.
Unless there's been a recent change that I missed, in 10th ed 40k, Tactical Squads are 10-man only, for 160 points. The reason they exist in 10th is, as others here have said, because people already owned them from previous editions (I got mine in 7th, for example), and the reason they suck is because all firstborn units are going the way of the dodo. Rhinos have been nerfed so that they can't carry Primaris units anymore, for example. Assault Squads have been yeeted into Legends already.
Adding a Librarian to a Tac Squad does make them kinda funny, and slamming them inside a Rhino to shoot the special weapons through Firing Deck is nice, but by then, you've already dropped 300 points (160 from Tac, 65 from Librarian, 75 from Rhino) just for the meme.
Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely doing that meme strat. Giving a Tac Squad a Librarian for out-of-vehicle survivability, or a Lieutenant for the funny lethal hits, tickles me just the tight way. Will it win you games? Eh. Will it be funny? Yeah.
Even funnier was the Clown Car strat: Slap two 5-man Devastator Squads in the Rhino, give them the Heavy Flamers, and take Firestorm. Holy shit, I cackled so much thinking that one up. Unfortunately, Devastators recently got their flamers taken away, so, big sadge.
Also, if you're doing the Tactical Rhino strat, in 1k points, where a single vehicle makes all the difference, take Grav-weapons for the specials/heavies. Again, kinda niche, meme-level strats, but I'll be fucked if they aren't funny.
I like your style 💪
@@duartecruz5635 Keep in mind meltas get the same benefits in firestorm.
You've got a titanic monster killer with those.
@@vfminiaturesOpe, so, while they can no longer be split in the roster itself, they did get the ability "Combat Squads", which says "At the start of the Declare Battle Formations step, before any units have been set up, this unit can be split into two units, each containing five models". So, you do still have to spend the 160pts, but you do get to split the Tactical Boys in two Squads... if you want to. So, I wasn't fully correct when I implied they couldn't be split.
@@LordCrate-du8zmTrue, but I think the Tac boys keeping the grav weapons still makes sense, using the Rhino as basically a fast-moving, anti-vehicle unit... An expensive one, yes, but a funny one, since, as far as I've seen so far, Vehicles are more used in 1k games than Monsters are.
However, if you were talking about the Devastator Clown Car, you're absolutely right, and I completely forgot. Give them Multi-Meltas, make two squads of 5, each with an Apothecary for sustain, and you're laughing all the way to the bank. Would've been funnier if you could give them Lieutenants, but oh well. Maybe have one model per squad still equipped with either a Grav-Cannon or a Lascannon?
Yeah, it's a 4+BS, but the Anti-Vehicle of the Grav can come in handy, and 3 Attacks isn't anything to scoff at. The 1 Attack of the Lascannon is kinda eeeeeh, and the 50/50 chance to hit is fine... but that S12 just about guarantees you're gonna Wound anything in your path, and that -3AP makes sure anything without an Invul Save is gonna eat that D6+1 damage.
On the other hand, I'm not sure about using Melta Devastators VS Monsters. Monsters usually have great melee, and that 18 inch range on the Meltas does put them at risk of eating a Monster's melee if they get a lucky Charge off, even more on the 12 inch range needed for Close-Range Erradication to proc, and doubly so on the 9 inch range needed for the extra Melta damage to proc as well. I feel like Devastators shine against other units that, like them, aren't great at melee.
On yet another hand, you Tokyo Drift the Rhino in close enough for everything to proc, you disembark your Devs, and you blast the monster with 10 Meltas... So, disregarding Oath, and assuming we're disembarking 8 inches away from, let's say, a Be'lakor (what matters to us here is the T10, Invul 4+ and W18, and we're disregarding Stealth, since, when it comes to odds, Stealth and Oath kinda cancel themselves out?). The Devastators shoot! 10 total models with Multi-Meltas, BS4+ and A2. So, out of 20 total attacks, 10 will pass the test. Next, we compare, and hey, we got ourselves S10 due to Close Range Eradication, so, we Wound on 4+, so, 5 attacks are going to wound. Next, the Monster does its invul saves, and, since 50% of 5 is 2.5, let's be generous and say that 3 attacks pass. Okay, so that's 3D6+6, for an average of... 16 or 17 damage. 11 if we say only 2 pass. The Rhino would have to get lucky with its shots in order to finish off the Monster before it could retaliate.
Ofc, there's the rest of the army, but the same argument can be made for the enemy, Overwatch exists, etc etc.
I enjoy eunning Krom with the blood claws. He allows rerolls to hits and wounds as the starting strength decreases for the unit.
You're not really missing anything on the pack leaders lol. In prrevious editions they could negate the bloodclaws downsides (they had to charge if possible) and you could take a terminator pack leader to tank hits (but now characters have to take hits last).
... you're spot on about tac squads getting nerfed to be eventually sent to legends tho :(
You forgot the Regular Crusader squad. Which had to be nerfed because they outclassed the Primaris units so hard.
Definitely, I only remembered them when I opened the index BT today. Thank you!
@@vfminiatures 5 man unit with a powerfist, plasma pistol, plasma gun and lascannon was really hard to beat at 65 pts
@tdlainc.4737 hell yeah😁
Remember they cant steal your home objective if you cram 50 crusaders down their throat
Said like a true Templar!!!
Standard intercessor sarges can't take thunder hammers. Assault ones can.
Just checked the codex - they can, look at the right column
@@vfminiatures Wait what? Damn.
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Where are outriders?
I thought those were only Battleline in the Ravenwing Detachment?
I am really liking them at their new lower points cost thought
It’s semi-depressing that DW vets are so expensive especially considering the lack of warhead options compared to 9th. Like the faction is supposed to be semi-focused on veteran xenos killers with all the bells and whistles ffs, let alone the fact that the meta for the faction is so gravis heavy that it’s genuinely a financial investment in order to gain a foothold on the battlefield. ☠️ Hopefully when the codex comes out we will get a bit of personality back with actual warhead options instead of bigger alien killing hammer or electric butter-knifes, OR they might (copium huffing inbound) release new firstborn sculpts to supplement the Primaris side of the subfacruon. Make deathwatch great again FR 🫡
Well said, agree with every word!!! Dw as a faction has such potential and also doesn’t require nearly as much investment in terms of new minis like factions such as BA and SW for example.
@@vfminiatures Great video btw forgot to mention 😭 do you have a discord server? Or have you thought of making one?
Thank you! I should make one actually, good idea!
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