Setting a Comic 50,000 Years Ago!
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- Опубликовано: 7 май 2024
- Glaciers, Mammoths and Neanderthals! What more could a stone-age comic need? :)
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Hi all! So it took far too long for me to realise this but I severely mixed up my use of "Neolithic" and "Paleolithic" when referring to the time periods - the Neolithic began in 11-10,000 BCE. So whenever I refer to the Neolithic here I actually mean the Paleolithic that began 2.5 Million years ago and lasted until the Neolithic began. I sincerely apologise for my mistake, I should have known better and taken better care of my facts at the time - especially since its a major topic of the video. And Thankyou to those of you in the comments for the rightful corrections :)
Neo meaning newer, if you happen to confuse them. And my thoughts about why they migrated? A few reasons. Human nature: "The grass is always greener on the other side." Also, intertribal conflicts. Sometimes people move because they are forced out or don't wish to have confrontation and conflict. Maybe the secret to early human migrations was something as simple as having in-laws.
Ok
Quick little correction: the Straight-Tusked Elephant (Palaeoloxodon) is not descended from Steppe Mammoths or mammoths at all. Mammoths are more closely related to the modern Asian Elephant (and vice versa), while Palaeoloxodon is more closely related to African Elephants (specifically the African Forest Elephant).
They probably had fairly sophisticated trading networks where population density was high enough.
I think early people's migration would have been something "dam it, too many people are using this area, guess we'll move further north"
Like the moment you see another band of humans on the western horizon, it's time to pack up and keep going east, because that's just way easier than fighting them
And that's how introverts were born
You might be a little optimistic there.
@@brotherknight9484 Probably not. Trying to take someones land is allways harder than just taking new land. After all you risk getting killed or wounded if you go into a conflict.
So just searching for new land is easier.
@@DerMannDerSeineMutterwar But the act of "searching for new land" itself is conflict. Between strange weather and geographical features, new flora and fauna, people already living in the new land, people having the same idea of claiming land, etc. All sources of conflict.
good to know I'm not the only person to learn a little about pre history, think "this would be a cool setting" and fall down a reasearch rabit hole
Really excited to see what’s in store for this new Humanoid species, I hope nothing bad happens to them.
*Laughs in Neanderthal
*laughs in interbreeding
*waits for possible conlangery to appear*
*You're about to summon Biblaridion. Do you want to proceed?*
@@VisiblyPinkUnicornas a Bib fan Hell yeah.
@@VisiblyPinkUnicornunnecessary reply from you but thanks…
@@VisiblyPinkUnicorn holy shit biblaridion reference
Would be neat to have a character that Tala meets during the modern period taking care of a cloned Mammoth calf.
Found your Tumblr blog first and came here from there, and it's really fun to se the how all your post there somewath relates
That's amazing! I'm really glad :)
So glad you included the Irish Elk. They're a fascinating creature and my favourite megafauna (although I am a bit biased).
My favourite anecdote about them is the actual theory that they went extinct because their antlers became too large and they kept getting caught in trees.
It's hard to do their sheer size justice in pictures but you're welcome any time in the Natural History Museum in Dublin where you can come face-to-face with a whole collection of Irish Elk fossils. Although it's more like face-to-legs. You'd have to crane your neck to see their faces. :D
I was in the middle of doing research for my own comic when I stumbled upon this channel. Your content is nothing short of amazing! This is an era that deserves a lot more attention than it gets in pop culture. Most often, the fact that civilization exists is treated as a given, almost as of people intrinsically knew how to farm or make swords. It took generations of trial, error and hard work. I am certain that Immortal will stand as a wonderful tribute to our ancestors. I look forward to reading this!
it's great to see other people take prehistoric settings as a base for world building! Can't wait to see more. Also I love the art B))
Wonderful work! One thing to consider is that if you want to eventually introduce other Homo sapiens and neanderthal tribes, you can go bonkers with skin, hair and eye color combinations and face shape. There was no such thing as “modern human races” (by that I mean the distinct big populations of humans with shared superficial features and ancestry we have today) back in the paleolithic, so each and every tribe or clan could look different. There was an overall far greater diversity of human morphology than today. For example, it seems like dark skin color was common among different populations of european hunter-gatherers up until 10’000 years ago because it just keeps appearing in paleo-genomes. And some of these dark-skinned europeans apparently had blue or grey eyes according to genome analysis. There were humans in the late Pleistocene that didn’t look like any humans alive today. I think this can be a big source of inspiration!
8:49 hey just because some cultures can't remember things doesn't mean others don't! Indigenous Peoples in North America still have stories passed down through thousands of years about mammoths and a massive flood that happened at the end of the last glacial maximum.
Wait really? Thats so cool
Do you have a link to any?
@@supercharged5-39 Maybe you've heard this a million times and I'm sorry if you have, but did you know there are cultures with an old flood myth in every continent?
But yeah, the mammoth thing is cool, I've never heard that
@@andrewprahst2529 oh that's super cool, i didn't know that
This is all fascinating to learn about.
Loved seeing all the megafauna of the ice age. Prehistoric animals are some of my favorites.
I was surprised to see Smilodon because I thought it was only found in North and South America
Glad to know Megaloceros/Irish Elk will be included
Thanks! I'm really glad you liked it! :)
And yeah smilodons were actually incredibly widespread from Africa to Europe, Asia and the americas, they were around for about 10mya so its easy to imagine they had enough time to get around ^^"
And yes!! Megalocerous definitely will be easy to find in the story, they're very hard to miss after all being so large :P
@@hannahsmth you’re welcome
Oh that is interesting
Good to know.
I think theres been a mistake made here, smilodon was only present in north and south america, but other sabertoothed cats such as homotherium could be found in eurasia
Irish elk are great!
One of our favorite megafauna!
Got em in Ta Mando AND other worlds of our own!
13:50 RUclips picks up on "like this video" and the like button flashes.
I’m loving this! My particular interest (currently) is chalcolithic to Bronze Age, but this is all interesting. Looking forward to more research updates!
Have you ever considered using dialect in your writing? Dialect can be a powerful tool to help writers bring the characters they have created to life.
Yes definitely! Although I haven't figured out exactly how I'd write different dialects and languages in an engaging way? It'll be something to think about for sure though :)
As an european archaeology student I'm intrigued. If you need help with research i have some good sites ^^
I just found this channel oh my goodness, it's fantastic I love your stuff! Exactly what I want in a RUclips channel
This is so cool. Even just learning we had a past in such a setting. But then a visual representation, and the stories that may've happened is so engaging & inspiring.
great video, loved learning more about ice age animals
A wonderful world your making, glad to catch this channel in what is hopefully an explosion. Seems you crossed the 5k mark since yesterday, congrats
Can I just say I love this channel?
Gorgeous art at the end, and a wonderful hook! You are truly *goated* with the research, I must say. Your world is distinct from earth, though, or at least the map is different if similar. How much of your megafauna research will you apply directly, and do you plan on remixing any of the species or inventing new ones? (The strange humanoid people at the end make me think maybe you're doing some of that.)
Also, seems like you've started planning out your first arc! Congrats! If you need need anyone to bounce ideas off of for outlining, I'd be glad to help. If you're the type of person who likes to have a community space for writing you might consider starting a discord, or joining an existing one if you haven't already.
Thank you so much! :) As of yet I don't quite have an idea on whether or not I'll remix the world's fauna, maybe I'd play around with the domesticated animals a bit but nothing too far on the fantastical scale, I find it wayy more interesting to find and use real life events and creatures with a bit of a fantastical twist. But I am making an exception with the humanoids of the world, they're going to be by far the most removed from reality for obvious reasons ^^"
And yes! The plot for the first arc is well underway, though I'm sure I'll make a lot more changes to it before I'm done, words can't express how extremely excited I am to show you it all when it's done! And as for help and discord stuff I'm a bit hesitant to set stuff like that up since I have zero experience in managing a discord or taking external ideas (it's a character flaw I know) ^^" but it's always a possibility! I do love hearing all the speculations and ideas you guys have :P
@@hannahsmth I don't think it's a character flaw, tbh. I have an ulterior motive: I've been trying to find a good online writing community. So I was kind of hoping I could trick you into setting one up. 😅
@@Halberddent aaaaaaaaah I get it, tricksy :P
Ah, yes, the European Wild Ass, one of the rudest animals ever existed.
People around me says that I belong to England, but I don't know why.
PS: if I were you I wouldn't stick perfectly to Earth's past, to have that you should have a perfect copy of Earth from its orbital parameters to geological history including that famous asteroid that made a brontosaurus-based diet unfeasible. My humble suggestion is that you throw something "out of place" here and there so to have an actual alternate history instead of a planet that is not Earth but it's coincidentally precisely like Earth even to the scale of extinction events.
But then, the book is yours, you do you! XD
Thankyou for the humble suggestion :) its an excellent idea and one I'll definitely try to develop more as I work on the world! And you're definitely not an ass :)
Irish Elk are bae
Love the artistic style of the vids.
Damn, really cool and informative
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Last section looked sick, looking forward to your comic!
Loving this channel! Keep it up!!
1:33 For a straight answer (if you haven't found one since posting this video) on the same time of ending for the pleistocene and the paleolithic: I'm pretty sure that whenever any geologic time unit comes to an end, so do all its subdivisions, so when the neogene period ended, so did the pliocene epoch and the piacenzian age. Kinda like when a day ends, so does the last hour of that day, and the last minute of that hour, and so on, but just bigger and with units that aren't defined by duration.
Don't confuse me for a geologist though, I'm not, I had to look up those examples because I wanted more layers than just two
Wow, this was a very informative and fascinating video. I was allways really interested in nature and history, but somehow i knew very little about these eras.
Absolutely cannot wait to see how this progresses! I always love to see more media set in the Paleolithic
I'm still surprised these videos are supposed to be oriented towards writers and world building when they are very well researched even above the average enthusiast and/or layman.
As for why the migration of humans came to be one theory that was not mentioned, is the hunting grounds/animal migration plus the seasonal fruits. This came to the spotlight when seeing the semi-nomadic tribes in America and reading journals of European colonists that lived amongst them. Tribes would migrate following herds like the Bison other tribes like the Karankawas in the coast of Texas would move to the coast for a reliable source of sea-food and them move inland searching fruits and edible plants like Nopales. It is actually fascinating that even as the tribe started to grow, spread and divide, each spreading to different areas, when the "fruit season" was close they would still end up returning to those places where those unique fruits and plants would grow.
There's also the food/resource depletion and competition theory but this comment is already long as it is.
Discovered your channel today and been binging all your videos throught the entire day.
Keep up the good work
I love your explanations, very informative. :-)
Loved it
I always wonder if tales about massive floods like the story of Atlantis or the biblical tale of Noah were tales passed down over many generations that had their origin in the rising sea levels after the glacial maximum. They seem to be present in many societies with little to no knowledge about each other, and relating back to a global and monumental event with massive impact on early societies would explain a lot - and be really cool. 😅
I really like your art as well as your way of presenting information, I look forward to actually reading your work.
Awesome! I'm inspired and I really want to make a series like yours for my world, whiche I have been building on and off for about seven years now. But sadly I am not comfortable with my drawing skills since I am just at stick figuere level and don't know how to illustrate my world / videos otherwise
Hey its OK! It's incredible to have the ability to stick with an idea for so long, it shows you're really passionate about it, I hope you can create your story, regardless of art skills, a good story will always find a way to be told :)
Take it from someone that only started to learn how to draw recently because i had the internal belief that you need to have talent to draw, but it is a skill to learn lile everything else, and now i can draw better than i could ever imagined
11:47 Be careful about conflating "x years ago" and "x years BCE", especially when the numbers get small-ish. The pyramids of Giza were built around 2500 BCE, or about 4500 years ago. The pyramids were built longer before the lives of Caesar and Cleopatra than the time between their lives and the present.
Surprised how recently animal dung started showing up as burn fuel. So thanks for getting me to Google "how long have humans used animal poo" I guess. 😂
Keep in mind almost all modern species also existed, modern animals are just the survivors of the last extinction.
There were mammoths and sabretooths but also red deer and grey wolves, even tropical animals like tigers, poison dart frogs, parrots, and reef fish all existed back then too. There were still tropics, just smaller ones.
50,000 years is not enough for large mammals to speciate for example dingoes, grey wolves, and poodles are the same species. 50,000 years may be enough for things like rodents as well as bugs to speciate though.
Nice Video Mate!
banger video as usual
Glad I'm not the only person to think that a comic set in the late pleistocene would be rad
YEEEEES pre-iceage media! Thats so awesome and underrepresented.
8:40 well humans dont live for 1000s of years.
12:16 and also modern cattle, to preserve the species they were combined.
18:20 thats so epic
YOU HAVE OUR ATTENTION!
Anthropology graduate here (focus in Archaeology). Would love to chat about this project with you! Lmk if that sounds interesting to you!
The "Setting the Stage" part is worth a Like on it's own
Great video, I'm looking forward to hearing something more about that mysterious race. Also,are you still going to make compilations of shorts? I don't know why but I prefer watching them in such format. Or maybe will you combine them with videos about general worldbuilding like this one?
Thankyou! I absolutely will, I've just slowed down a bit in the making of shorts to put in a compilation ^^" but it's good to know you prefer them that way! I'll definitely keep compiling them :)
You are amazing
THIS IS SO COOL
This is a wonderful video and I am quite interested in the upcoming story you are trying to make. I have my own ideas for stories. One of them is like a self-insert where a mental copy placed into a chimeric genetic body created by Alien Space Bats had been sent into the Cretaceous period. The main character is in his second life because his first life had been spent as a control system of an army of mutant humanoids created by the Eurasian Technocracy in order to fight off possible extraterrestrial feline creatures who wield mecha suits until that world got mysteriously destroyed. Now the main character has to deal with Mesozoic lifeforms and the upcoming mass extinction event caused by asteroids or the volcanic Decan Traps in India.
Another story idea I had is where two beings, crafted by Alien Space Bats, are sent to an Earth 100,000 or more years into the past. One of them is a cyborg man and the other is a female powerful being with terrifying inhuman looks and a cynical mindset due to traumatic past lives or souls. The cyborg man and the powerful being will have to work together to have a good life as well as saving humanity from itself. This means doing some stuff to transform the various human races of the time like Neanderthals, Denisovans, and Homo Sapiens into a new post human super race. Inspiration for that stuff came from stuff like Neon Genesis Evangelion, H.G. Well's The Shape of Things to Come, and other stuff.
Anyway, good luck on your upcoming story and other projects!
I'd highly encouage you to look up Will Lord's videos on prehistoric skills to see what the mindset of a prehistoric person might have been like. We diliniate our world into reality and myth but we see from aboriginal tribes that the ancients may not have thought this way. I'd love to see some more symbolic and spiritual themes.
Additionally, North02 has some amazing content depicting life in prehistory defying some conventions. Populations of neaderthals for example lived near the ocean, and ate more shellfish than mammal meat, whereas others were almost vegitarian. It'd be cool to avoid and subvert older tropes and showcase anotomically modern people just like us shaped by such a different world.
I love ur style and you absolutely rock!
Aye I’m glad I came across this, I’m loving this idea but I can’t help but notice a few typos do you mean Paleolithic instead of Neolithic? Neolithic is the start of agriculture
Can't wait!
This looks fantastic! If you need help getting info I'm sure the science side of RUclips would help
If you are looking for some real-world examples of stories of human immigration over uncharted land then I would recommend you read the diary and accounts of George Catlin as he traveled across the American frontier. I know you might not be able to relate to his lived experience but you will find his story interesting. Same with a man named William Buckley who lived in Australia for 40 years before colonization after escaping a penal colony.
this is cool
Background dog barking, lol
I just stumbled on your account since I'm also dabbling in some Pleistocene worldbuilding. This is incredible!!! Are you South African by any chance?
Hi, I'm so glad you like it! And yes I am! :)
If my memory serves me correctly (it usually doesn’t) This is around the time that agriculture is starting To take hold? I would be interesting to see the first developments of settlements seen in the forests.
Every time you said Neolithic should have been paleolithic
You're absolutely right - I apologise this is very embarrassing ^^"
@@hannahsmth when is your comic coming out it's been very difficult to find anything good set in this time
10:57 doggo
Comment for the algorithm.
first i love your vids
Where can one find your comic?
Ah. The archeology. Never liked it even though it's factually interesting. However! I have learned something new about myself during this video. I didn't even realise how normal was it for me to think humans migrated to new lands with intention. Which is total bogus to think of. It was a very complex process spreading through centuries. Humans were motivated for sure but not for the sake of exploration. Animal migration patterns changed so nomads moved on. Climate changed so everyone and everything moved. The spreading of humans were the result of changing climate, shifting lands and depleting resources. In such a large timescale... everything just happened. There was not one goal behind it. There were billions.
im confused on pleistocene being on screen and pleiestene being said
am i out of touch or is it the children who are wrong? xDD
No it's definitley just her.
Uhh, the pyramids are about 4,600 years old. If they were 2,500 years old, they would have been built in 500 BCE, around the time the Roman Republic got into the swing of things.
Hate to be the ACKSHUALLY guy, but due to my love of archaeology and ancient Egypt, that one bugged me. Saying they were built around 2,500 BCE, not years ago, would be more accurate.
Yeah , btw it is so far back that cleopatra was living closer to us than the building of the pyramids
Coolio
where can I read it?
was light skin even in humans before 40,000 years ago?
My only concern is that you should avoid whitewashing the era. Lighter skin is a more recent adaptation. Don't get me wrong, it did exist at the time, mostly in Neanderthals really, and it's always been mainly an adaptation to boreal or arctic climates. All I recommend is that non-neanderthal characters especially (i.e., any homo sapiens characters) should have darker or more vibrant skin tones, though since it's a work of fiction, diversity in appearance especially in the main cast is always recommended, so go ham.
Actually there are some neanderthal paleo-gemomes from Siberia that show dark skin color. So even that species probably had a great diversity of features across it’s colossal range. Neanderthals even had slightly different bone morphology between the Middle Eastern “population”, the “classic” European “population” and the Asiatic/Siberian “population”. And then there’s the enigmatic Denisovans who remain a big mystery. Human diversity was probably wild back in the Palaeolithic.
@@Evergreen_Wizard of course, I didn't mean to imply all neanderthals had lighter skin or any generalizations of that kind. I just mean that lighter skin was a later development in homo sapiens at least, and therefore it is better to opt for middle-to-dark skin tones both for accuracy and for the sake of modern representation
Yeah but important to note that humans had mass extinction 17k years before the event of the story on humans time scale (we all have 3.5k common ancestors that roughly means 40k survived it) so humans at the time were probably only just returning to be diverse group and adaptations only started to appears (btw the same mass extinction is what make humans today one of the least genetically diverse specie on earth (like probably only more diverse from species that have clones kids))
Dark skin is also an adaptation, skin colour based on genotypic projections is always going to be guesswork, so creative liberty with the appearance is totally acceptable. None of these people depicted are genetically in large part related to the ones that currently roam the earth. Depicting an aurignacian European with dark skin doesn't mean he's a modern west african, and if he did have black skin it doesn't mean that he was related to that group either. Appearances are notoriously guesswork oriented
@@entropicemerald807 yes creative liberty should be taken. that's what I said. dark skin first appeared millions of years ago, thought to coincide with the loss of significant fur. I'm just saying that for these people living in stone age mediterranean or africa analogue to ALL have PALE skin is kind of silly, ahistorical, and contextually ill-advised
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I don't know what you think neolithic means but you're using it wrong in many bizarre ways
B.C. & A.D.
why has youtube recommend me this channel?.....it has a girl in it and girls are lame
One thing to note about human migration: humans at this time, like all animals, followed food. They would not quite form villages in paleolithic but it is believed they would stay in a certain region as long as it could support them or until the seasons started to change. They would then move with the migrating animals they hunted. There was likely no great manifest destiny.
the title with the thumbnail seem to suggest an extreme misunderstandung, bc ruins of civilisation have been found that date back to over 500 000 years ago
Source
@@gamma6495 I read it on twitter with a clip from a documentary so i looked again & found that it's an over 500 000 years old wooden tool, which is also incredible.
I just looked up "500 000 years old ruin" & found plenty results
I'll look for that docu later
Not true, ancient aliens tier conspiracy theory, enjoy your imaginary homo heidelbergensis civilisation lol