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How to play Shogi(将棋) -Lesson#14- Opening principles
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2008
- I'll teach you some of the basic principles of opening by using an example of "Yagura" opening.
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Used to play chess a lot but then I watched an anime and want to learn how to play shogi lol. seems very confusing and it might take me a while to learn the piece characters, but I realized that some of the openings i use in chess usually don't work here. I played 3 games before i watched a video on how to play and came up with the bishop opening and wanted to further study this complicated game. I'm gonna have to start binge watching these 12 year old videos.
Was the anime called sangatsu no lion? Hahaha
Same, i sometimes forgets that the pawns in shogi only caputre horizontally and blunders
Same
Same
wanna match now? chess or shogi you pick we play
Recently got into shogi, thanks for the videos! They mean quite a lot for a noob
3:10 was probably the best example of someone breaking down what tempo is that I've ever seen.
Would really like to try Shogi with my friends, but they find even chess confusing.
Yes.
Change friends. Btw, Shogi is a very defensive game so, not for everybody.
@@juandavidrestrepoduran6007 "change friends." Love that statement. Wish it would apply so easily though. Hard as hell to find someone in person that would actually give this a try unless you live in japan, china, or korea.
Antistius which is why one must get friends that at least like chess... anyways to go beyond the barriers one would need to do study of the text which are (not surprisingly) in Japanese
@@juandavidrestrepoduran6007 It's only 17 characters they'd have to study. And tbh you can even limit it to 8 characters.
I have a long lasting gratitude to you for teaching this ^^!! I struggled to castle is shogi, due to lack of experience, and now, I have a notion of how to truely play strategically, all thanks to you Hidetchi-sensei.
There are so very few good shogi resources out there in english, thank you so much!
Very comprehensive and intelligent explanation. You have earned a subscriber.
Yeah, the first time we see someone does that, it looks so strange that we don't even understand at first glance what had happend. (^^;)
But that rude way is pretty common in amateur players...
A castle in Shogi refers to having peices set up in a defensive formation. This usually involves moving your king away from your rock, but there are some where it doesnt.
For those who want the play by play of everything that went on in this video.
Black. White
Pawn 7F. Pawn 8D
Silver 6H. Pawn 3D
Pawn 6F. Silver 6B
Pawn 5F. Pawn 5D
Silver 4H. Silver 4B
Right Gold 5H. Gold 3B
Gold 7H. King 4A
King 6I. Pawn 7D
Right Gold 6G. Gold 5B
Silver 7G. Silver 3C
Bishop 7I. Bishop 3A
Pawn 3F. Pawn 4D
Silver 3G. Bishop 6D
Bishop 6H. Right Gold 4C
King 7I. King 3A
King 8G. King 2B
Silver 4F. Silver 5C
Knight 3G. Pawn 9D
Pawn 1F. Pawn 1D
Pawn 2F. Silver 2D
Rook 3H
Side note: when mentioning the opponent's left or right pieces, it means THEIR right or left. Not your right or left.
it's a shame many friends got scared at first when they saw my board and the chinese characters (and perhaps it looks kinda odd a Cuban playing shogi). But I got my sister, my other sister's husband, and a friend currently hooked on it (you know, i need people with whom practice and beat, especially because I'm getting worse in western chess and bored of it too). Thanks again for the videos man.
@@sadgoy. Its japanese
@maartinful: No, the gold should stay on 7h so that it can defend the pawn on 8g. In this situation we usually move the bishop out of the way, such as to 6h or 4f, and then move the king to 7i then 8h.
god this account coughs dust
Thanks a lot Hidetchi 🙇♂️
I'm a chess fan, so a lot of the opening principle here makes sense to me even though I've never played shogi. But then again, both a very different games.
Thank you and greetings from Poland
Greetings from Poland! :)
Omg this is the best explanation. Math + shogi nice
@maartinful Now that you say that, you are right! In some ways I got an improvement in western chess. For example, I have adopted more the concept of castling in Shogi but applied to western chess. In other words, I'm less affraid of attacking more than developing defence since I can always bring some pieces closer to defend my king.
careful with that. while offense is rewarded in shogi defense is better in chess
Oliver Twist I think the opposite. Defense is well rewarded in Shogi due to the weakness of the pieces, every move is planed many turns ago, in chess, due to the pieces being more powerful, offensive is well rewarded, if you’re not able to defend from the opponent’s constant checks or let them control the center, it's likely you’ll loose the game. Taking the inch is risky in Shogi, not taking the inch in Chess means things are going south.
These are very well done videos. Thanks mate!
all hail the 81dojo creator!
Hi hidetchi,
are any other first moves besides 3rd rank pawn used in pro shogi games?
thanks for the great tutorials!
@RexPetrov You can get one from shop*nekomado*com (replace * with .)
These 24 moves are the basic principles of the yagura opening
Chess: hc3 kings indian bruv
Hey Hidetchi-sensei, I made you famous since I quoted you on a speech I did in a college class about shogi. Also, I added one of your lessons as part of the sources I used to prepare the speech. My profesor liked it even though I took 14 minutes instead of the 5 I had available. :)
I love how chess brain just translates almost 0 knowledge to shogi lol, makes this game super fun to learn
I play western chess and am very new and very bad at shoving. I have tried all three of these first moves
thank you
Asuma and Shikamaru brought be here
Me too.
Interesting that Silver 6h, a first move that follows chess principles, is the only non-pawn first move that's viable.
the rude way looks cool but stick to the traditional way ^^
WIsh I could play Shougi with U someday, somewhere......
so is castle in shogi just moving normally? or is it like, getting the king away from the rook?
3:20 I see. So you lose a tempo by exchanging bishop. Thanks for explanation.
When exchanging bishops, some people take their opponent's bishop but don't promote their own. Is looks funny playing Bx2b= when you can promote it, but is this possible?
1:38 bishop can also go E8 and F9
Does anyone know if Yachio Ono is still playing?
Sr but I am lost, the yagura opening of how many moves does it consist?
I castled my king at the start but then they attacked and I got destroyed lol
I'm having problems with defending myself agents my friend who is an aggressive player who insist on all ways opening with a bishop exchange and then going straight for my right flank is yagura better or mino faster to defend my king while he has a sitting king?
Hi! Can i capture the King by King?
@@Zonen_y Thank you
It would be an illegal move in the first place since you'd be checking your own king. It wouldn't normally lead to an instant loss simply because that kind of move is illegal anyway.
3:51
where can you get one of those boards?
Who starts first?
Josef Beneš black
The one with additional dot on the King, it's mostly used by better players, still you can make a deal about who starts first.
Please make a tutorial using international (figure) pieces
Dude I definitely understand your frustration with having to learn to read some chinese characters just to play a game but it's not that hard if you really give it a try. Just push yourself a little bit man...
Just learn to recognize these 9 characters visually and you got it. It's not like you have to learn to write them too... Don't be scared of new and somewhat challenging things dude.
王=king(character means "king")
飛=rook(character means "to fly")
角=bishop(character means "corner")
金=gold general(character means "gold")
銀=silver general(character means "silver")
桂馬=knight(characters mean "cassius tree", "horse)
香=lance(character means "incense")
歩=pawn(character means "to walk")
Suprisingly enough I did get used to the Chinease characters after just a couple of weeks of playing.
@@NishantAgarwal7 See? With a little effort, you can accomplish a lot. People get frightened so easily over stuff that looks hard but may not be as hard as it seems.
In defense Chinese characters do look intimidating at first
@@NishantAgarwal7 They do. I agree. I mean just trying to learn to write and recognize them was so freakin hard for me at first. At least with this game, you only have to learn 9-19 characters depending on which ones you get. This guy made it simpler by getting only the one character pieces.
haha never mind me O.o completely wrong..
my mum beat my in chess but she was no match for me in shogi :P She dint understand the how to play haha
FoodPunch very different games. Offensive is quite important in chess. Ultimately the best offensive in chess is the best defense. You’re lost when your opponent is attacking precisely or has the most potential to shut you down (Eg: he’s controlling the center and has a good formation there). Shogi's pieces are very weak by comparison (I dare to even say that the “rook” and “bishop” are the strongest pieces, even against silver and golden generals, or the soho/gyokusho) so it's definitely a very defensive game. Basically every attack in Shogi is reduced to “who can defend the column longer?” In chess this happens often but also “who is caught off guard first?”
@@juandavidrestrepoduran6007 What is your level in chess? I'm rated 2000 and I disagree with everything you said.
@@beri4138 I mean, considering how agressive players are in professional Chess I'd say offense is the best defense in chess, Shogi is A LOT more defensive than chess
In the minute 4:56 the white Bishop pins the Silver to the Rook. The following Black's moves are "imposible" if it doesn't protect the Silver with the Rook in the first place... Careful with the moves order...
It's being covered by the knight, I doubt white would want to trade a bishop for a silver.
yabnel wes5a..
Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about...
Why is it rude to promote when exchanging the bishops ?
It's not, it's the way he flipped _his opponent's_ bishop over and 'took' his own that would be rude :)
Robin Oh you mean turning the ennemy troups against him?
@@SquareyCircley but why is this rude?
@@kanck7909 it's kinda like saying "hey look, one of your troop is promoted but now it's turning against you"