Tiger Woods and Lee Trevino have amazing conversation on the range

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  • Опубликовано: 19 дек 2024

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  • @kevinngomez5451
    @kevinngomez5451 10 месяцев назад +45

    My dad was an executive chef to a country club where the champions tour would come and play, and Trevino loved my dad. Would always hug him and tell him he’s the greatest. He used to call me jr. Every year I’d sneak in to the kitchen and Lee would come look for my dad.
    Great guy!!

    • @ben12333
      @ben12333 7 месяцев назад +1

      Ye sure he did jr 😂😂😂😂

    • @CharlieAUS
      @CharlieAUS 7 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@ben12333I believe it

    • @whiskey_tango_alpha_foxtrot
      @whiskey_tango_alpha_foxtrot 7 месяцев назад

      ​@ben12333 the best part of you ran down mummy's leg, didn't it, Jr?

    • @sal4856
      @sal4856 6 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@ben12333Get a life 😂

  • @deswhite8268
    @deswhite8268 3 года назад +41

    Tiger having tips from Lee and taking notice. Wonderful to see Lee giving so freely and Tiger still willing to listen and learn

  • @davewatts7444
    @davewatts7444 3 года назад +48

    Lee was and still is a top golfer and a great man

  • @TheBoomtown4
    @TheBoomtown4 7 месяцев назад +21

    I imagine wherever Lee Trevino goes, everyone loves meeting him. Must feel nice being adored by the entire planet.

    • @johnblaesel5493
      @johnblaesel5493 7 месяцев назад

      They call’em “Lee’s fleas”.

    • @victorkreitner754
      @victorkreitner754 7 месяцев назад +1

      I've always admired Lee. He came from nothing and having nothing to now being a who he is now. It shows if you want something bad enough you can have it if you stay persistent. He's always been the same happy gregarious man who loves the game of golf. As all these legends continue to die off guys like Lee, Jack, Gary become even more precious to golf fans, because they're the remaining links to what the old school game was all about. It's a way different game today, but we can't forget it's roots.

    • @robertknitzer7588
      @robertknitzer7588 7 месяцев назад +1

      It was the same with Chi Chi Rodriguez

    • @rodrios2696
      @rodrios2696 5 месяцев назад

      Great golfer !

  • @chrisbrimhall6323
    @chrisbrimhall6323 2 года назад +12

    Two great champions that admire each other’s game and legacy

  • @olegrey1961
    @olegrey1961 3 года назад +29

    He’s one of a kind. Lee Trevino 😀

  • @RG-5834
    @RG-5834 5 месяцев назад +1

    Absolutely LOVE Lee Trevino more than words can say!

  • @julian65886
    @julian65886 3 года назад +19

    Lee Trevino in his 80s giving a gold lesson to Tiger! Precious!.

    • @victorkreitner754
      @victorkreitner754 7 месяцев назад +1

      When you have 92 professional wins and 6 majors you can teach. I thought it was cute when Tiger countered with what he does, and Lee rebuttles "I don't do that".

  • @makula5543
    @makula5543 6 месяцев назад +2

    2 of the greatest golf legends! Both amazing hands!

  • @tonykhan7212
    @tonykhan7212 3 года назад +12

    I remember Lee Trevino in Happy Gilmore he said Grizzly Adams did have a beard … Amazing!!!

  • @sjv855
    @sjv855 7 месяцев назад +8

    I saw Trevino win in New Orleans many years ago. Followed him the last 36 holes. It was near perfection - every shot was crisp and on target. He didnt make a bogey the entire tournament too. Just an amazing thing to watch.

    • @dirkdiggler1895
      @dirkdiggler1895 7 месяцев назад +1

      Nola in the building ⚜️

    • @brucesinger-ph8bc
      @brucesinger-ph8bc 7 месяцев назад +1

      I was there at that tournament as well. Lee shot 24 under par with no bogies for the tournament. What a remarkable feat.

  • @Mitch-z1t
    @Mitch-z1t 4 месяца назад +1

    I could watch and listen to Trevino all day lol

  • @tomf9292
    @tomf9292 7 месяцев назад +4

    I was fortunate to see Lee live at a tournament. Absolutely hilarious! I don’t think he stopped talking the entire round

  • @bille9995
    @bille9995 4 месяца назад

    Awesome! Two GIANTS of golf having fun! And potentially the next generational player looking on and hitting shots. Love this!

  • @DavidTarekVidaaa
    @DavidTarekVidaaa 4 месяца назад +1

    Two Legends. Trevino & Tiger. Trevino was wayy ahead of his time. As Mexican American that I am, I so proud that he represents our community so graciously, beutifully like he does. They should make a great movie about him, so he can still see while he is still here with us!! Love You Hermano/Tio!

  • @VIPER-ge8ss
    @VIPER-ge8ss 8 месяцев назад +3

    Never gets old. Thanks Lee.

  • @ahill9477
    @ahill9477 6 месяцев назад +1

    I was lucky enough to live in a community in Napa when I was growing up that had a PGA tournament roll thru every year and saw all the greats: Nicklaus, Watson, Player, and of course Trevino. I once saw Trevino at the practice range in a practice sand trap, with at least a thousand balls in it, methodically and slowly concentrating on each hit. That’s what makes a true GOAT, in my opinion.

  • @randybailin4902
    @randybailin4902 2 года назад +6

    Other tour pros used to stand and watch Lee on the range, knocking balls off of 150 yard signs and such. Absolute legend of the game. Tiger knows to stand and listen to this man.

  • @victorkreitner754
    @victorkreitner754 7 месяцев назад +4

    Even at 84 Lee is still a ball of fire. Dude still looks in great shape. I always admired guys like Lee Trevino and Gary Player who still are great ambassadors to the game today and have kept in amazing shape well into their 80s. I wish the Masters would let Lee Trevino be one of the ceremonial hitters with Jack, Gary, and Tom. My Guess is Jack may eventually step down, because he's struggling with walking lately, and Gary may do this tee off thing well into his 90s.

  • @yeoweehuathuat8926
    @yeoweehuathuat8926 3 года назад +11

    Humble n full of life n being himself , Lee Trevino

  • @mattstjean345
    @mattstjean345 2 года назад +6

    this tip has changed my chipping so much for the better its insane. literally used to have so much trouble with shots 50-70 yards and would always spray. not anymore. thanks LEE!!

  • @Unspoken48
    @Unspoken48 2 года назад +2

    I remember Trevino hit a golf ball over the Grand Canyon past the border of New Mexico was a sight for sore eyes!!

  • @cheetahlip
    @cheetahlip 7 месяцев назад +2

    Two of the greatest to ever touch a club…..within 20 feet…love that

  • @RandomNumber6598
    @RandomNumber6598 Год назад +3

    This man is going to live to 100, and we’re so lucky for that.

  • @j.w.matney8390
    @j.w.matney8390 9 дней назад

    One of the things I've always liked about Tiger is the respect he shows the older players. Lee Trevino has always been my favourite player on the tour.

  • @thegolfpodcastlive
    @thegolfpodcastlive 2 года назад +6

    Amazing Vid! You guys need to put more content up here and on all Champions Tour platforms….Golf is blowing up ⚡️🔥

  • @stangetz534
    @stangetz534 2 года назад +46

    As great as Tiger is, he still respects his elders. Class act.

    • @wadepatton2433
      @wadepatton2433 2 года назад +2

      I think Lee was telling things from a different perspective than Tiger is used to. Also respect for elders is good for humanity, and Tiger is a smart guy.

    • @danmyers9372
      @danmyers9372 2 года назад +1

      Agreed. Lee can definitely be annoying at times. Couldn’t help but notice that Charlie didn’t pay hardly any attention to Lee.

    • @ゆみす魔王
      @ゆみす魔王 2 года назад

      Dunno about you but respect is earned not given. Old people don't get respect for being an Elder. As farcas golf goes Charlie definitely should respect him in that regard.

    • @michaelboen2314
      @michaelboen2314 6 месяцев назад

      Yea... you can't just respect your elders... cuz dumb people get old too. Lee is not that. He is treasure.

  • @tfleming92
    @tfleming92 7 месяцев назад +1

    Trevino had a great game. I was a member for a season at a course in Syracuse called Drumlins. I was told that Trevino held the course record there, having shot a 61. He bogeyed the eighth hole, which is the number one handicap, in that round.
    I'm about a 16 handicap; a good striker but nowhere near the consistency or shot-shaping ability of these guys. Whenever I had a par or better on eight, I always took a bit of joy in the fact that I played that hole a little better than he did.

  • @Cartman8402
    @Cartman8402 3 года назад +8

    Lee Trevino is a trip. 😂😂😂👍

  • @georgeparowski1420
    @georgeparowski1420 4 месяца назад

    Lee Trevino was a great golfer with a very personable speaker. A perfect gentleman.

  • @aptorres01
    @aptorres01 3 года назад +6

    Great video thank you

  • @spooge33
    @spooge33 7 месяцев назад +1

    Years ago, when Lee started playing the Sr Tour, he said his goal was to get his caddy in the top ten of the money list.

  • @tom92106
    @tom92106 2 месяца назад

    Two great Legends!

  • @JacobDaniels63
    @JacobDaniels63 4 месяца назад

    Trevino teaching Tiger on the hands of wedge play is genius…..Trevino is a golfing god as far as I’m concerned ❤

  • @randyacosta1194
    @randyacosta1194 2 года назад +4

    Lee Trevino, flat out greatest hustler

  • @matthewoberton1830
    @matthewoberton1830 2 года назад

    Three Golf legends!!!

  • @OTOWNGOLF
    @OTOWNGOLF 2 года назад +1

    Love Lee & Tiger!

  • @sal4856
    @sal4856 6 месяцев назад +1

    Great Trevino story,was mowing his lawn on his modest home when a lady in a caddy pulled up and asked him how much he charges for lawn work,He said for starters the lady of the house lets me sleep with her 😂😂😂😂,classic

  • @sappermade6012
    @sappermade6012 2 года назад +5

    Lee is like Tigers crazy uncle you gotta love it

    • @stangetz534
      @stangetz534 Год назад

      😂

    • @sappermade6012
      @sappermade6012 Год назад +1

      @@stangetz534 legend! I mean Tiger is GOAT I say Jack and Tiger are my tie. Tiger for the amounts of wins and the way he did it. Jack, well I don’t have to say much. But what Trevino did coming where he came from. It’s absolutely incredible.

  • @petermurdoch3001
    @petermurdoch3001 6 месяцев назад

    Trevino first mentioned decades ago that the PGA was creating an opening for another Tour to move in with as good or better Golf Pros, like in the mid to late 80's

  • @maxpuppy96
    @maxpuppy96 Год назад +1

    Trevino has that open slap punch swing that served him well.

  • @geojetson9533
    @geojetson9533 2 года назад +1

    Always having fun which Tiger should take note of

  • @rsm1958
    @rsm1958 10 месяцев назад +1

    Respect!

  • @MarkSmithhhh
    @MarkSmithhhh 8 месяцев назад

    I love lees swing, aims massively left, strong grip, closed face, comes.from the inside and hits a nasty accurate cut

    • @abc456f
      @abc456f 7 месяцев назад +1

      Lee famously said, "You can talk to a fade but a draw won't listen."

  • @angelmatos9143
    @angelmatos9143 2 года назад +6

    This is the High IQ Zone of the range.

  • @readmelancholystrumpetmaster
    @readmelancholystrumpetmaster 7 месяцев назад +2

    Lee was walking like that forty years ago.

  • @adriansolis7760
    @adriansolis7760 6 месяцев назад

    Fn legends man

  • @dukefan37923
    @dukefan37923 8 месяцев назад +1

    If love of life and just general good vibes equals a long life, Lee Trevino will live to 125 and still shoot par.

  • @gabos7892
    @gabos7892 8 месяцев назад +1

    1:04 lol who's the guy in red?

  • @haroldfloyd5518
    @haroldfloyd5518 6 месяцев назад

    I’ll never forget the time Lee and Jack were approaching the first tee for an 18 hole playoff to determine the US Open championship. As their caddies stopped and dropped the bags, Trevino reached into his and pulled out a giant rubber snake and tossed it near Nicklaus. Maybe the funniest thing I’ve ever seen in sport. Oh, and Lee won, too!

  • @sappermade6012
    @sappermade6012 2 года назад +6

    Everybody loves Supermex

  • @Jrgoldenbear
    @Jrgoldenbear 5 месяцев назад

    Amazing

  • @locotx215
    @locotx215 9 месяцев назад +1

    "Hey Tiger . . you know I'm the original golfer who had the Red/Black clothing combination" - Lee T

  • @victorkreitner754
    @victorkreitner754 7 месяцев назад

    Can't wait to see what Tiger looks like physically at 84 compared to Lee at 84. Bet you it won't even be close. Lee Trevino and Gary Player are amazingly still loose and springy well in their 80s. That's discipline and avoiding bad injuries throughout their careers, unlike Tiger whose still in pain on a daily basis and not even 50 yet.

  • @wreckim
    @wreckim 2 года назад +3

    I'm sure Lee feels Tiger would have 25 Majors if Tiger had never taken lessons past his win at the Masters in '96.

  • @kpxkrnkidx
    @kpxkrnkidx 11 месяцев назад +1

    Lee Trevino is my grandfather I don’t care if you disagree

  • @DatDamKeyid
    @DatDamKeyid 2 года назад +2

    Tiger is so right hand dominant. Trevino better short game by far.

    • @georgeissaian6862
      @georgeissaian6862 2 года назад +2

      Tigers short game alone won him a minimum of 5 of majors.

    • @danmyers9372
      @danmyers9372 2 года назад

      Different methodology but both were short game wizards. Lee tended to play more stock shots (and played it very well) vs Tiger who always had an arsenal of different shots for every situation.

  • @zenrun2913
    @zenrun2913 3 года назад +3

    Charlie was like ‘who’s this chucker?’

  • @philc9514
    @philc9514 2 года назад +2

    Once this was being viewed on the Golf Channel, Brandle Chamblee and Rich Lerner should of stopped talking.
    The Golf Channel producers should of had all Cameras and Microphones on them!!!
    We hope Lee Trevino
    ( A NATIONAL TREASURE)
    has many healthy and happy years ahead of him!!!
    I loved how Tiger walked down the entire length of the Range just to give Lee a Hug.
    Tells me that Tiger knows how special this man is, where he came from, and what he accomplished with his life is incredible.

    • @danmyers9372
      @danmyers9372 2 года назад

      Tiger also knows what Lee went through as a minority in golf and the pathways he helped create for minority golfers like Tiger.

  • @sssandhu78
    @sssandhu78 2 года назад +2

    Lee, Seve, Tiger, Watson, Ben, Jack, Arnold, Snead, Faldo, Player. Distinctive swings, great players.
    Lee and Seve’s distinct stories, character and background add a special something to their legend.

    • @jamesanthony5681
      @jamesanthony5681 Год назад

      You could add Ray Floyd to that group with his very distinctive swing.

  • @locobenno9435
    @locobenno9435 3 года назад +3

    as if the Woods' need advice....nice to see LT active tho

    • @robertplunkettschesslab
      @robertplunkettschesslab 3 года назад +3

      In every game there is always some aspect of the game that someone is better than you at. Lee is a legendary ball striker. Woods is mainly known for having the best short game and putting in the world at one time. In chess it is the same. We have specialists in certain openings and people that are known to be the best endgame player or the best tactician etc etc. Just because you are world champion at something doesn't mean you are the absolute best in the world at every single aspect of that game.

    • @jpcoll2011
      @jpcoll2011 3 года назад +2

      Are you quite young?? I should not presume that you are, but in my long years have realised that life is a constant learning experience.

    • @locobenno9435
      @locobenno9435 3 года назад +2

      @@jpcoll2011 no I'm far from young and I agree on your learning call...the comment was meant somewhat in jest

    • @Halo1138
      @Halo1138 Год назад

      I dunno, I watched him play at Augusta the other day.

  • @chadnoswal9243
    @chadnoswal9243 2 года назад +2

    If Charlie had any sense, he’d turn around and hang on every single word that Mr. Trevino utters. Then, he should beg Mr. Trevino to teach him every thing that he knows about wedges, pitching, chipping, and bunker play. There never has been, and never will be another man that has the control over a wedge like Mr. Trevino.
    I’m baffled at how Charlie can be dinking wedges while Trevino is speaking.

    • @jaked5637
      @jaked5637 2 года назад

      agreeGe chad

    • @SiLoMixMaster
      @SiLoMixMaster 2 года назад +1

      Charlie is a beast already, he doesn't need to listen to some boomer when his old man is the GOAT

    • @patrickmorgan4006
      @patrickmorgan4006 2 года назад +2

      @@SiLoMixMaster He will never surpass his dad as the GOAT if he has that attitude. You might notice that Tiger was listening and he is (in many peoples' opinions) the GOAT. Tiger knows that he can learn from the other greats of the game.

    • @danmyers9372
      @danmyers9372 2 года назад

      Generational divide. He probably thinks he has the greatest golfer of all time as his teacher so he doesn’t need to listen to others. He is just a kid after all.

  • @jeffmcclish127
    @jeffmcclish127 2 года назад

    1:31

  • @Geep1778
    @Geep1778 2 года назад

    I call em you do this and you see you see Lee lol.

  • @doylehargrave233
    @doylehargrave233 7 месяцев назад +1

    Like a conversation between Beethoven and Mozart….

  • @stevefowler2112
    @stevefowler2112 Год назад

    I would love to have about 12 lessons from Lee Buck

  • @johnblaesel5493
    @johnblaesel5493 7 месяцев назад

    Not sure how long ago this was. It was at least two years ago but Lee Trevino looks pretty spry for a guy in his 80s!

  • @carlosdiaz-ic2xm
    @carlosdiaz-ic2xm Год назад

    Lee should Caddie for Charlie at the British

  • @backseatsauceman1
    @backseatsauceman1 2 года назад +5

    Lee is an absolute treasure. Legend

  • @thetruthfornow6045
    @thetruthfornow6045 Год назад

    Tiger knows the Jack generation which produced Lee Arnie Player Casper Miller Watson Seve and Jack had the best players ever. Tiger was lucky he faced far weaker competition during his 10 year run of greatness. He knows things would have been different if he faced the legends that Jack had to face using a tiny wooden driver which he would not be able to control.

    • @jamesanthony5681
      @jamesanthony5681 Год назад

      Tiger would have welcomed that competition, with those clubs and with that golf ball.

    • @thetruthfornow6045
      @thetruthfornow6045 Год назад

      @@jamesanthony5681 Tiger was crooked with a metal driver which was far easier to hit straight. Those guys had far more repeatable swings.They all had great short games. Young Tiger was great. In his search for perfection and less stray shots he made too many swing changes and bulked his body from weights and enhancers.He was always an injury or a new swing in progress away from his goal.

    • @jamesanthony5681
      @jamesanthony5681 Год назад

      @@thetruthfornow6045 Too many swing changes, I'd agree. At Tiger's peak, he was better than all his competitors with all 14 clubs in the bag. No other golfer can make that claim, neither Jack nor Hogan. Tiger would have found a way to correct an errant drive with the old persimmon driver in the '60's,' 70's.

    • @thetruthfornow6045
      @thetruthfornow6045 Год назад

      @@jamesanthony5681 he definitely dominated for 10 years. Only Bobby Jones could compare. But he beat hacks who were intimidated by his length. The only other long hitter was Daly who had his issues. By 2009 Phil, Koepka and DJ came along and had respect but no fear of the red shirt. They were able to hit their drives farther and Tiger was reduced to his four letter curses as he did not win a major for the next 10 years which would be his last. Jack beat Arnie in 1960 in a major. He beat Norman in a major in 1986. In between he had 16 majors and 19 runner ups. I would call that GOAT material. Tiger does.

    • @jamesanthony5681
      @jamesanthony5681 Год назад

      @@thetruthfornow6045 Hacks? Mickelson, Ernie, Vijay, Couples, Duval, Furyk, Davis Love III were all hacks? I go back to my earlier comment: Tiger was better than anyone with all 14 clubs, and could beat you anywhere on the course: Off the tee, fairway, in the rough, 100-120 yard wedge play, putting, chipping. Mickelson couldn't beat him and Phil knew it. Likewise, Ernie. (FYI: Phil preceded Tiger on the PGA Tour). Today's equipment - the clubs, golf balls - and the way courses are manicured, has brought the average player closer to the top player. If you could transport Tiger as a 20 year old back to 1962 and give him the persimmon woods and those golf balls, where you could shape shots much more than with today's ball, then there'd be greater separation between him and the average player on tour, no doubt.
      As far as the GOAT conversation, Jack has the most majors, runner ups, top 3's, top 10s, etc., so you'd have to give it to him for his excellence over a longer period. But as far as who was a better golfer at his *absolute peak* , that's a separate conversation.

  • @jamesrobinson1529
    @jamesrobinson1529 2 года назад

    Charlie was watching Lee before he started hitting balls

  • @TheZenbudda
    @TheZenbudda Год назад

    I love how pro's tell other pro's to do stuff that swing coaches tell amateurs never to do. lol.

  • @timmcgrath9708
    @timmcgrath9708 7 месяцев назад

    Tiger fact checks Trevino about never hitting right if your hands are forward

    • @bonjovi7120
      @bonjovi7120 7 месяцев назад

      What a clown comment

  • @M4nvrs
    @M4nvrs 7 месяцев назад

    Did he ask if Grizzly Adams had a beard though?

  • @kepler240
    @kepler240 7 месяцев назад

    The way he moves his feet before his swing...weird and he's always done it.

  • @JackandTom-tz8kj
    @JackandTom-tz8kj 2 года назад

    But Charlie just hit shots, couldn't care less. He should have stood in rapt attention while a legend was speaking.

  • @tonyschannel7438
    @tonyschannel7438 6 месяцев назад

    Lee Trevino and Tiger Woods had an amazing conversation? Yeah sure, and Grizzly Adams had a beard..

  • @djonfonsteen6331
    @djonfonsteen6331 2 года назад +1

    Terry Wogan taught him how to putt 😂🤣🤣

  • @jameshoran8
    @jameshoran8 Год назад

    You don't have to talk. You just have to listen

  • @stevefowler2112
    @stevefowler2112 Год назад

    Lee hitting lob shots with a driver

  • @martyflannigan5052
    @martyflannigan5052 Год назад

    i think Lee did all the talking but that's normal for Lee lol

    • @buffalosowljah
      @buffalosowljah Год назад

      yeah im sur he talks in his sleep as well 😂..but if anyone wants tip playing in the wind lee sure is the master of them all 👌

  • @buzzard6410
    @buzzard6410 8 месяцев назад

    The old guard, Lee, Chi-Chi, Sarge, and others learned to play on dry hard-pan public courses where you had to learn all the shots. Tour players today were raised on the manicured courses where you didn't need to know those shots. Are they better players? Sure. Do they have all the shots. Not by a country mile. The great thing about Lee is his ability to simplify everything so that anyone can understand. Takes a driver and tells Charlie Woods how to hit a wedge shot that works on the British courses. Kid don't know how adding that shot might benefit in 10 or so years.

  • @JackRainfield
    @JackRainfield Год назад +1

    Charly is like.... Lee who?

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    @BobSimmons-y6i Год назад

    About women they know

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      @vargaskenneth8837 3 года назад

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      @tomthetalker4442 3 года назад

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    • @hilton4048
      @hilton4048 3 года назад

      Living off Uranium stocks currently. It's fun

  • @jimorfanelli7671
    @jimorfanelli7671 2 года назад +1

    Charlie couldnt give a darn what lee was teachin

    • @jamesrobinson1529
      @jamesrobinson1529 2 года назад

      How do you know Charlie couldn't give a darn about what Lee is saying?

    • @danmyers9372
      @danmyers9372 2 года назад

      @@jamesrobinson1529 - Probably because Charlie quit paying attention to Lee pretty quickly and was by himself hitting chip shots.

  • @ynkybomber
    @ynkybomber 2 года назад

    Charlie just casually icing wedge shots while they talk.