Showdown - 2013 Cadillac ATS 2.0T vs. 2013 BMW 328i - CAR and DRIVER
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- The 2013 Cadillac ATS 2.0T tries to dethrone the 2013 BMW 328i from the front of the entry-level luxury segment on the latest episode of Car and Driver: Tested.
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Im sorry but the ats is sexy as hell compared to the bmw
I've had all 3 Series BMWs since 1991 and I'd gladly change that for the ATS just because it has kept the core driving pleasure values BMW has gradually lost during the years. And the fact that it looks so fresh and unique.
Those LEDs on the ATS look godly.
The most biased review ever. Thats C/D for you. ....
Pretty incredible that Cadillac just got into this class and they're already fighting the leader of the class. Same with the XTS, they re-introduced that class and they're on top of the class almost fighting Bentleys! GM has done well with Cadillac!
I have an ATS 2.0 rental while my other car is being fixed. It is pretty impressive. I think the 2.0 is better matched to the Automatic. The car IS fun as heck in the twisties, that magnetic suspension kicks ass! Other than the ill matched manual...the one I am driving is an auto with paddles..., it is a very very nice car, and this coming from a long time BMW/Audi driver and fan. Those who dismiss Cadillac just because it is American do themselves a disservice until they go drive one.
Enderle Property Service correct. This car is sort of a secret. ATS reminds me of my old series 3 bmw, but better.
GM should really bring Cadillac back to Europe. I love this ATS, especially a 2 door Cuope version.
Um ... TEAM CADDI ANYONE?!
1 month & no likes?...I guess not
Just got my ATS yesterday, test drove it along with a BMW and an Audi. Much happier with the ATS, plus everyone won't assume I am a banker or a hairdresser.
crickets
All day!
No
Top German engineers work for car companies. Top US engineers work for the military. That's the problem.
i think that the caddi is also much cheaper to maintain as the parts are made in the USA.
I've owned both cars. My last BMW was a 2014 3 series, my current daily driver is a 2014 ATS. The Cadillac does everything the BMW does, but it does it easier. The 0-60 time reported in this video for the ATS is way slow. I've recorded mine at 5.3. And I have done zero mods to it.
It's a wonderful car. Comfortable, fast, nimble...it should never have been discontinued, imo.
I have a 2014 with lots of mods I’m a 20 year old Kid it’s my first car and I love it
How is ur ATS holding up so far? Idk if u have the same model but I just bought a 2014 ATS 2.0T and no check engine lights are on. I'm really Enjoying it so far. I've heard mixed reviews about it but I've heard more positive reviews than negative
@@ithinkihaveebola5238 It's an amazing little car. I've owned BMW's, Porsche's, muscle cars (1988 Trans Am GTA, 1968 Camaro, etc...) and this car does EVERYthing they all did but it does it easier. I have 104+thousand miles on it and it still runs, accelerates and tracks wonderfully. I have ZERO issues with this car and I really wish they still produced it because I'd buy another. (Mine is a 2014 ATS4 2.0T as well)
Drive it and enjoy it!
This is the first time I switched to American! I had went from a 2010 Benz e class, to a 2014 bmw 3 series and now I have a 2019 Cadillac cts only the 2.0turbo awd the luxury line and it’s absolutely perfect in every way. Cadillac finally made the right changes to bring me over. Styling is different interior is ok but the driving dynamics are what got me over.
This guy is the only reason why I subscribed to C&D. One of the best car journalists out there. Period.
There are killer deals to be had on used ATS's. Mine is on the way.... can't wait!
This is 8 years late but holy moly who needs Ambien with videos like these?
Corvettes have one of the highest resale values of any sports car. 85% of all Corvettes ever built since 1953 are still in service. The other sports cars can only dream of such a number.
I drove an F30 to Tahoe for a weekend, after driving my girlfriends E92 and my own regrettable Fusion fleet car...the F30 feels like a nice version of the Fusion more than it does the E92. That was a driving car.
I see thousands of bmw everyday!!!! But you might see one exceptionally looking ats around! Sorry the ats is a sexy bitch! I have one and love it
Word 💯
@@lilnicky9241 a little over 42,000. I have a 2015 ats 3.6 premium with performance pkg rwd. Black raven with the black chrome pkg. No problems at all
Well, I just picked up a beautiful Blk/Blk w/Sports Package BMW 2003 530i, and I LOVE it !! This E39 series is the last of the simple, pure 5 Series models (along with the E46 3-Series of that vintage) before they got Bangle-ized and BMW became more interested in Marketing and emphasizing luxury than creating the "Ultimate Driving Machine". No I-Drive, no soft brakes/suspension, no turbo, no lack of steering feel in my car!! :) What the hell happened in Bavaria ??
Shut up about your old ass car. Nobody cares. You cant beat all the extra torque from the inline 6 twin turbos. Go back to the past and take your slow car with you
That 2.0 turbo in the Cadillac makes alot of power. Im impressed. The Subaru WRX needs to match or exceed that
I'm from WV! I can't believe someone came to visit us for a car review! There are a ton of backroads but most of them are full of potholes. Also the warning signs for upcoming turns never make any sense. One will tell you 25, and you can go 40. The next will say 30 and you need to go 15. The best is occasionally you just get a yellow sign with an arrow showing witch way the turn goes, but no warning whatsoever on how harsh that turn is going to be, its usually harsh.
You need to take a look at Corvette's new interior that is all imported Italian leather. Especially, the two-tone leather. Corvettes are just as high tech as the exotic cars of Europe. There is one important difference though: the Corvette will give you 100,000 trouble free miles whereas you will need to hire your own mechanic to have Europe's best.
That is well known.
Man, a sensible and good answer on utube, that's rare. Thank you very much.
The diff, hm, not sure I will agree. The 328 got about 60000 miles pushing 600+ sc hp. I did, and still do, take good care of my cars. Track days ect. can wear out any car. Currently I drive a 997-2 and my whife, who is as car nuts as I am, drive a 212 Cabrio. All our cars do see track time, why bother if they did not?
Give me a break. Both these cars can do more on the road than most people are ever capable of handling. Their technology outdoes most people's needs, and they'll both help you survive a crash. There's no point in calling one "soulless." Some people like the BMW, others prefer the Cadillac, get over it.
I never thought I would hear Car and Driver say a Cadillac is more fun than driving a BMW. That has been the stance of the mag since the 1970s - the BMW is fun to drive. Yet they recommend the BMW despite that. I recently test drove both cars with the turbo and the V6. The reality is both cars are competitive now and that is something hard to admit for most people. It depends on what you prefer.
Not only are Michigan's roads too flat and boring to do driving comparisons, they're also in terrible condition and will damage anything with a low clearance.
The crash test ratings for the XTS are EXCELLENT! That, in no way, mitigates the fact that German cars, with BMW being the worst of all, have the HIGHEST fatality rates, per mile driven, of any other car on the road. Cadillacs are NOT mainly driven by 70 year olds. The average age for a new Cadillac buyer is around 56 years old. That number is dropping fast too. 70% of all ATS sales are coming from previous German car buyers who are SICK of paying through the nose for ultra expensive repairs.
I'll explain it to you.
The E46 is widely considered to be the best handling 3 series ever. After that, BMW was accused of softening the 3 series and making it more of a family car than a sport saloon. This is why Cadillac mimicked the handling. They didn't copy anything on the E46, as they used a completely different design, they just wanted it to perform similarly because they, like the rest of the world, realized it handled better than the current one.
I got to take a good look at an ATS in LA today, and that machine is stunningly gorgeous.
Just bought my premium v6 Ats AWD I love it flys looks great and drives in all conditions I needed AWD I live in Minnesota
I narrowed my new car choice down to these two cars and I was 99% sure it would be the ATS because I have always wanted a Cadillac until I went for a test drive. I'm 6'5 and with the seat as low as it would go I didn't fit. I had enough leg room but not enough head room as my head was touching the roof. I have to say I was very surprised and disappointed that I didn't get a chance to drive it. I fit into the 3 series just fine.
When was the last time you heard of a BMW driver saying: "Gee, I LOVE my massaging seats"?
No one likes them.
love my ATS 2.0 Turbo
It used to be that way. You would have to get the S Line package to get the AWD, but now its standard on everything...
i love how people comment like they know more than the people who drive these cars.
I feel people today default to BMW 3 series because of the badge than anything. The F30 in particular is very numb compared to the competition. The only saving grace is the stellar powertrain, but if you just wanted a 4dr sedan to go fast in a straight line, why not a more comfortable, larger & much cheaper Camry or Accord V6?
This is what makes me appeal to the ATS. It has luxury amenities yet never forgets its mission first & foremost; A compact SPORTS Sedan. Driving feel & handling is why you're supposed to buy this class of car, not for trunk space/legroom or showing off to friends & family.
WarmSoftKitty
Not all German cars are like that, but the 3 series comes off notable because it used to be the trademark of great handling RWD 4dr sedan.
+Trades46 Man you must smoke crack! my 2013 328xi is the best BMW 3 yet
Rick Tobin
I don't even smoke. Then again I expect nothing more from ones who default to that Three-letter German Brand when they want to compensate for something in life.
Man the BMW is still top dog...you know it. We all know it. the Cadillac is garbage and you know it.
+Rick Tobin stop being a fanboy u only bought that car because the brand not because is good I would buy bmw for its name but it's always same dahs oars and boring
"This car is so incredible that a car more incredible lost the comparison" -Caranddriver
the fact that a Cadillac, A CADILLAC, the same car company that used to just rebody terrible chevys, is actually giving the BMW a run for its money is amazing. Its been decades since a car from the hometeam was mentioned among the likes of the germans. GM is finally making good cars, and I believe, in its own right, the ATS won.
I never understood why people liked BMWs interiors. Functional, but incredibly subdued for a luxury car. I used to valet a while back and I'd get in 5 and 7 series bimmers and always think how the interior looked like something in a truck that was designed to be washed out with a garden hose when it was dirty. I'm not sure about the ATS in particular, but GM has really stepped up with their new interiors. I think the build qualities are so similar at this point and it comes down to preference.
ATS's issues: 1. Interior quality 2. Interior controls 3. Manual gearbox 4. Engine note 5. More hp but slower 6. lesser mpg
328i's issues: 1. Front end styling 2. No LSD even on the M-sport package 3. Don't like the electric steering 4. All its driving dynamics aren't the best vs competition
One word maintenance... ATS will cost significantly less than the German cars finally a American that truly competes !!!
and will never know what race car handling for the street feels like, actually, better than race car handling, not twitchy, just perfect.
Recent inventions? There are too many to list. The magnetic suspension was developed by Cadillac's Delphi subsidiary. So good is it that Ferrari, the world's leader in high performance sports cars, has chosen it for all their new automobiles. BMW and Mercedes offers vinyl seats as standard, along with plastic dasboards and door panels whereas Cadillac offers PREMIUM Italian leather and Italian suede on the interior ceiling (XTS).
Cadillac is WORLD CLASS now.
It's a new game.
They changed the leather. Damn is it nice now in the XTS and ATS.
That's the absolute truth. This Di Turbo 2.0 is a world class engine. It's built incredibly stout, power is strong and linear, amazing torque especially for a 4 and is great on fuel. I've been waiting for GM to use this engine more and they finally are. Ever since its debut in the 2008 Cobalt this 2.0T has been a game changer. I'm lucky enough to drive one every day in my 2010 Cobalt SS. Fun little car. It can't replace a rear drive V8 but it is a great little car with a Phenomenal Engine
i just got a ats and i be killin the old nasty lookin bmws ya feel me
I always felt that Car and Driver reviews are better than Motor Trend
Yeah, for a nice chunk of change more. The fact that there are better, but more expensive versions doesn't change how the one he was driving handled. Besides, I'm sure Cadillac has ATS-V models in the works to compete with BMW's M models
The Cadillac just won two very important Car of the Year awards. It also has one distinction missing from the over rated BMW: one of the lowest fatality rates, PER MILE DRIVEN, of any car being sold while BMW has the HIGHEST in the industry. If you were to take all American inventions off the BMW, you'd have a car with no electric starter, lights, power windows, locks, A/C, radio, etc... If you were to do the same with a Cadillac minus German inventions, you would have...
A Cadillac♥
It's never the German engineered parts that break, only the Chinese plastic bits that go around it.
I agree. Cadillac is back.
Cadillac doesn't just build great luxury cars, you know...
They build CADILLACS♥
I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD FULL OF CADILLACS AND BMWS, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS THE CADILLACS PASS GRACEFULLY BY THE BMWS WHO SEEM TO HAVE THEIR HOOD UP AS THEY HAVE BROKEN DOWN AGAIN.
It's always about 'personal opinion' right!? So glad that we have many choices in the sports luxury segment!
I like Cadillacs. I think they make wonderful cars. However, I drive a Volkswagon, and I have to say, Germany Engineering is way ahead of the game. Props to BMW and other beautiful German companies.
Cadillac ATS is manufactured in Michigan. Michigan is a part of the U.S. last I checked. :P
the interior of that cadi loooks siiiiick.
My very firs car was a 1995 320, never ever broke down, second 98 325 tds, solid as a rock I am curently driving a 330 xd and all I do is put fuel and oil, Im writing on my own expirience, so I will keep my opinion!
Motortrend AND Car and Driver wow. I had high hopes for the ATS but 2nd is still pretty good can't wait for the next Lexus IS and the infinity G37.
I agree with you personally. However, CUE was so foreign, when I played around with it, I felt repelled. Just something anyone needs to get used to it.
My first car was an E30 325IC (M20), that was a wonderfull car, so was the E36 328I (M52) I had after. My E39, 530i (M54) was without problems too. Prior to what she has now, the wife had an E61, which as you say, is a complicated car, but never an issue, unless you count the styling, lol.
There's no doubt that the SBC is an awesome engine, I was more thinking about the rest of the car. I drag a '73 TA myself, which had an SBC, but that is having a new BBC built this winter.
If he thinks the ride of the BMW is too soft, you can still go for the M sport suspension and if that isn't enough, you can even go for the M performance suspension.
Next time try not using the base model of the 3 series if you want fun. One thing BMW does is allow you to totally customize your car. Thats why there are three lines to choose. Sport, Luxury and Urban. Base model, is a base model.If you want sportier handling, get the Sport Line package, and you get adaptive sport suspension, adaptive steering, etc.
The only thing the competition has over the Corvette is price. Corvette offers a quality car that is easy on your wallet. That is why they sell well here for the people who want that kind of car. If Europeans want to waste their money on the illusion they are getiing something better, then they are free to do so.
We Americans know better.
True- but remember, BMW also pioneered the first sports saloon, so there wouldn't be any sports saloons at all without them.
ALL auto historians agree that the automobile was invented in France in 1799. Without American inventions, German cars would have no electric starter, no headlights, power windows, brakes, seats, trunk lid, locks, radio, A/C, all-steel bodies, fully enclosed bodies, and the list could go on forever. What would a Cadillac look like without German inventions?
It would look like a CADILLAC, of course.
Cadillac doesn't just make great luxury cars...
They make CADILLACS♥
Read carefully. It says "caddy publicly says their ATS is better than" . It doesn't say "I think the ATS is better than". What I'm trying to say is that one would think that if Caddy is directly calling out BMW then they should be 100% sure the road tests will reflect that. It turns out they fell just short in this comparison.
Wow... Motor Trend said these cars were nearly identical in every aspect. Here the BMW is a clear victor. Nice review.
The reason the new 3-series is softer is because of the introduction of the new 1, 2 and 4-series. The 3-series in this configuration is aimed at the more mature buyers, the ones that used to drive the old 3-series. If you want more of the sporty feel you now can choose between the 1, 2 and 4-series.
It's a pity Cady didn't go all the way. Like most US cars the interior where we spend all the time driving is left to last and often not so good. Look at old Corvettes. The new one looks great.
Ya, it does. I've seen a couple. I like BMW in black myself but for some reason I always preferred the 2-door 3 series. This new 4 door is better than the last generation in looks. Looks like a mini 5 series now. The problem is the price. It gets pretty expensive once you start adding nice options and leather and stuff.
So you think simply because Cadi SAYS the ATS is better, it is? That is the silliest thing I have ever heard.
Nice to see Cadillac at least in the running in this class for a change though.
I owned a 1999 VW Jetta, it was a good car, pretty decent reliability but when something did break, it was catastrophically expensive to fix. They are quality vehicles, but I wouldn't say they are the best value in that they are pricey in every way.
I wouldn't call them primitive but that is your opinion. Sometimes simplicity itself is best. Have you ever heard of the saying about Plumbing. The more they overtake the plumbing the easier it is to clog up the drain
Don't worry your little head my friend, If there's one thing they NEVER "mess up" its the M cars. (BTW I'm gonna get a white F30, it's gorgeous in person)
The interior and exterior on the ATS is by far better than BMW. I like what Cadillac is doing.
I am from Munich, Bavaria and send Oktoberfest Greetings to all out there! Here where
BMW is at home i wish the ATS and Cadillac all the best! American cars on the street are as rare as Rolls Royce here, there was a boom 1978 /79 Through the years after Daimler Chrysler
only Chevrolet brings a little US flair.. btw i am driving a Buick Park Avenue Ultra for my daily driver here in Munich.. never say another in town! :-)
People that are saying Cadillac is just American shit need to realize something. Cadillac have seriously been stepping up the game recently. Reviewers are praising every new model Cadillac have come out with recently. The new CTS took reviewers by storm when it was released in 2008 and the new XTS has a lot of new technology that has also received some praise. They may not really be "drivers" cars, but since when has Cadillac ever been? lol
Great review! I test drove both cars and I have the same feedback. Well done Mr. Golf.
Connecting new German cars to Unreliability is like connecting Lindsey Lohan with intelligence..
•Ats is definitely faster than 14.8.
•if you’re going to compare interiors and drivetrains, get an Ats with black on black interior with the A6 auto
Bias is strong in this comparison
I declare shenannigans. This was about complaints not a review. To say a car is more fun but looses on unproven faux pas is ridiculous. Excellent add by jasan
No one ever mentions the fact that the grill on the BMW was designed after Hitler's mustache. Everyone also forgets that the BMW has the highest fatality rate, per mile driven, of any car ever sold to the motoring public while Cadillac has one of the lowest. Some say it's because BMW owners actually drive their cars but, here in Connecticut, people know better than to get stuck behind a German car as they are slower than cold molasses.
+Wayne Johnson Not the cars are slow, the drivers are. Drivers in Connecticut = Americans. Period.
Wayne Johnson got to realize people who usually like to drive and enthusiasts drive more bmws than Cadillacs. hence bmw drivers are more likely to crash. Cadillac drivers are usually older grandparents who take things easy and sometimes too slow. It's a skewed figure wherever you got it from.
Evan Sargent Cadillac sales are going up. The median age now is 36 if you include world sales. The stats I mentioned were from the Insurance Institute of America.
It all comes down to how the car looks... and I love that BMW, then Mercedes... Then Audi... and Cadillac.
BMW has been overrated for decades...the best marketed brand in the world. All name and little value. It is funny how many 'experts' conduct their unbiased tests. They always use a more loaded model BMW against a less loaded model of whatever model is compared.
unbelievable people degrade the ats because it is slightly slower
you guys have to remember this is the first gen ats
A friend of mine just replaced a fuel pump on her Jetta. She was charged $750.00. In contrast, I had to replace one once on one of my Cadillacs at $248.00. 63% of European car profits come from replacement parts. Guess what? The same percentage holds true for American cars. It is all how the obsolescent rates are marketed. Not only don't you save money by buying foreign, you actually pay more to get their cars here and more to insure them too.
I stick to American. It keeps Americans working.
Highly entertaining and informative. Thank you.
Resale value doesn't necessarily factor into cost of ownership, unless you purchase vehicles as investments or for speculation. By the end of their useful lives (7-9 years) most cars effectively have negative value because of the cost of owning them. Yes, the Cadillac has a lower resale value than the BMW (not by much), however, that apparent advantage is handily offset by the higher cost to its owner. If German cars were less expensive to own than American cars are, I think we'd all own one.
I'm sorry but being able to walk out to my 98 BMW is the best feeling ever. Its not the most reliable car, and yea I have dumped so much money into it I could by another car. But at the end of the day, its a BMW, and it puts a smile on my face just from looking at and driving it. I wouldn't trade or sell my BMW for anything, especially for an American car. I feel bad that you have such a negative viewpoint about BMW, seeing that you drive a Cobalt that was the replacement for the Caviler.
Yup. Put it up against a 335 with Sport or M Sport package and it would destroy the Caddy. Besides the suspension upgrade, the Sport and M Sport cars have faster steering and stiffer brakes from the factory too. Heck, just a 328 with one of those packages would be better. I'd also much rather have the BMW interior and styling as well, not to mention the reliability.
I just realized what the cows were for in the beginning
I find is very interesting that Jerry found the BMW's interior to "better" than the Cadillac's, when every other site has found the Cadillac's interior to be the better of the two, and I concur,as far as the transmission "feeling better" here again this is a point of opinion not a cold hard fact. Now everyone will have an opinion, but it is good to remember when watching these reviews even though they are 'professionals', their opinion is just that, no more, no less.
I say, "go Cadillac ATS!"
I know more about cars then you could imagine. I have even driven most of these cars myself. I just live where there is snow (Michigan) and would prefer ALL these cars in AWD form. As such, an S60 T6 AWD or R-Design AWD would be more desirable TO ME then a Cadi ATS with AWD. They are fun, nice, daily drivers. Not track toys. I have a sportbike for that kind of fun...
And I tend to personally prefer European cars for dozens of other reasons as well.
@straightedge442 I'm not talking about marketing strategy- I'm talking about vehicle design. Two different things.
why do they make those touch sensitive panels for the AC/Heat and such on the center consol... i just think some things should be just left as a physical buttons...
It's cool and you're correct they did have poor steering. And even as as Lexus guy I always say The LFA is too expensive compared to the GTR but it's all about the name.
Now this sounds completely different than a few comments ago.
That's all I said - Cadillacs are just as safe as their German competitors - not better, not worse. They're all on the same level.
And I can agree with you on the fact that Cadillac has significantly improved in the last 4-5 years. The new CTS looks good and could indeed compete with the established manufacturers in the segment. So far the 5 series still takes the crown though - and believe it or not, but I'm not even a big BMW fan.
Cadillac sales are expected to tripple in China this coming year as Cadillac added 4,000 new dealerships there. Cadillac sales are off to the STRONG start here with a 6% increase in total sales. Those figures are expected to rise. 70% of ALL new ATS sales are coming from prior German car buyers.
Cadillacs do JUST as well in crash tests as do German cars. They are also just as reliable too.
Cadillac is WORLD CLASS now.
Get used to it.
Unfortunately Top Gear cannot be trusted fully as a credible source for information with all their shenanigans and bias towards anything thats not from Europe.
Cadillac should be more selective with who they let test drive their cars. Cadillac publicly says their ATS is better than and built to dethrone the entry level BMW 328i. Then they toss over the keys for a comparison test and the Car and Driver crew at the end still pick the BMW.