The Karen phenomenon is not new… it goes way back. Like everything else is based on complex material relationships and their interplay with human psychology and systemic socialization.
If you want to know who not to vote for, ask them their thoughts on removing confederate monuments or the importance of Juneteenth. Lost Causers can't control themselves at the thought of removing them or celebrating the end of slavery.
@@uncomfortabletruth5915 Indeed Benny being a good Virtue Signaling lapdog Fighting the Power by removing statues - 2 steps removed from going full Taliban and blowing them up Maybe Museums should examined to see if they match up to C21st standards... Did Washington believe in Trans Rights? Did Jefferson support Gay Marriage? Did Lincoln believe there was a Gender Pay Gap?
@@dalmarahmed8499 I can’t imagine how incomprehensible those things would be for the founders. It would be like trying to explain astronomical objects to Neanderthals
This historical revisionism seems to happen with every war. In this case, it was the white Southerners. But this happened after Vietnam, as well. Just wait for the complete rewrite of the Afghan war in 20 years or less.
@@Nickademas1 Don't forget Fox News propaganda machine going crazy the other way.. and CNN trying to play both sides by playing the role of the centrist hated by both sides as "too much the other way." All MSM like Fox News just wants to make money from you and manipulate you for their own benefit. That is why it is called programs.
I had a aunt who was UDC. When department stores in the South started to allow non-white staff and customers in the ‘60s, she refused to shop in one for fear she might try on clothing that had been worn by a black person.
That was because the military was the 1st US institution to integrate. Southerners didn’t want such large, integrated populations in their midst, but the Army wanted to build new bases in the South, so they used Confederate names, to keep Southern politicians, property owners & residents from fighting it.
I don’t mind it but I’m southern so maybe I’m biased I usually don’t notice until it’s changed and I’m looking for a base and wondering why it won’t show up because it’s been changed which annoys me so I’d rather they just leave them alone the trouble I had tryna figure out where fort hood was just to realize it was the previous fort benning and people still call it fort benning here nobody calls it hood it’s only for people like you not to villainize you but people just find it annoying but I understand why it’s a issue I’m fine with removing the monumenta I just hate changing names because it causes issues
@@Strype13 Yes, it's exceedingly easy to label the people who went to war against their own country to preserve slavery as racist. "but had you been born and brought up in the south back then, you'd have had a very different perspective as well." This kind of defense featured in the Nuremberg trials, too.
@@sirius1696 Yeah, it's quite likely you would have. I'm not exactly sure (nor could I know) what your current perspective is, but it doesn't take rocket science to understand that black people in the south had some strong feelings back then. And, for obvious reasons, that doesn't apply solely to black people. Things were very different back then, so I'm not sure why this would be a difficult concept to grasp. [Edited to add; And by no means am I suggesting things are "good," now. Just that, things were heinously bad in the past, and people from all walks of life were thinking very differently.]
States rights until a diaster strikes and "why isn't the Federal government helping us" the term vocal to me means cry babies and the white racist needs a diaper change...
Well, technically, they were fighting for States rights, the right to own people. They just leave that last part out. Just like when they say "heritage not hate". It's a heritage of owning people. A heritage of hate. All around ignorance.
@@darkdan3379 Those are not mutually exclusive. People can want both states to have rightful precedent and still federal protections for disaster relief. If not there is less point to federalism.
@@darkdan3379 states rights doesn't mean always, no matter what, it means states rights generally take the lead over federal mandate. If it was an absolutist position, there would be no point to having a federal government in the first place.
It was taught that way up north too, because the people writing textbooks would lose money by making two separate sets of history books. By the UDC telling them they would not accept those books in the former Confederate states they forced a new history into being.
The UDC were really, really busy in '92 & '93. Their ugly response to the Rodney King beating, subsequent trial/acquittal of the officers, and the uprising that followed was to run around the south and "gift historical monuments" of notorious confederate monsters. A few years ago my hometown decided to remove our "gift" and these women came out of the woodwork to throw huuuge temper tantrums. Legal action they filed prevented the city from destroying the tacky hate statue, so it's in storage. Nobody wanted them to regift it to another city.
This is clearly a knowledgeable lady and I would like to hear her speak more about the development of the "Lost Cause" interpretation. It's amazing that the UDC and their southern literary allies were so successful in shifting the view of the war. If you've ever heard someone say, "The civil war wasn't really about slavery", that's a person who has been deluded by "Lost Cause" propaganda.
There are confederate soldiers buried at Arlington. The daughters of confederacy had their headstones remade to come to a point at the top so people would stop sitting on them lol
Conservatives: "There was no switch. The Democrats of today love slavery as much as their ancestors did". Also conservatives: "I love the Confederacy!".
Ambrose Bierce, who fought in the civil war and wrote about it years later, portrayed women as fanatical ideologues. Read “What I Saw of Shiloh” and “The Affair at Coulter’s Notch” for two good examples. Looking at today’s current events, I think he wasn’t being sexist but truthful.
I don’t know. Whatever meaning you get from it. In “An affair” I see pride and ego as largely the cause for much of the senseless slaughter of war. “Shiloh” is more of a spectacle than anything else.
The 1996 Olympics put a pause on Lost Cause propaganda for the rest of that decade, at least in Savannah. Public schools were heavily integrated even in the mostly white Wilmington Island area. Teaching Civil Rights was very common. I don't know what they teach in Savannah public schools today, though the use of private schools to avoid integration is probably more prevalent today than it was back then.
A crazy thing I learned recently... Woodrow Wilson was a historian and a lost cause believer. So besides promoting the KKK and segregation, he believed in the idea that black people were being raised up through the educational experience of slavery. Well, he is also the architect of Wilsonian foreign policy, where you do imperialism, but you say it is to make the world safe for democracy. To democratize and civilize the world.
In the special collections of the Auburn University Library has an original confederate flag that is on display, donated by the daughters of confederacy. They donate to Auburn and there is a whole confederate collection there.
IMHO the main reason why there was so much support for abolition in the north, was to stop the south from Gaining a power dynamic of more slave states that would exert power to deny the north, political hegemony. Which is likely why Lincoln espoused his famous quote, If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.
Ok why shouldn't there be a Confederate monument in Arlington Cemetery? Arlington originally belonged to Robert E Lee, it was his wife's family estate which they inherited from Lee's father in law. The reason it became a the nation's main cemetery for war veterans in the first place was because Lincoln stripped it from Lee and made it a government possession. In fact he first used it for artillery practice before dumping a bunch of dead veterans on the land.
@@SpoopySquid yes Andrew Jackson who killed most of the Indians in the south Democrat, 90% of slave owners Democrats, john wilkes booth Democrat actor, KKK formed to intimate freed blacks from voting Democrats, Jim Crow laws Democrats, planned parenthood who calls blacks “weeds who need to be cut down” Democrats. The first black Representative were all Republicans.
@@iamthegoat2359 Joe Biden, President Barack Obama and President Bill Clinton all gave eulogies KKK member and head recruiter Robert Byrd’s funeral. So….
The precursors to the modern "Karens".
I'm going to start using the phrase "precursor Karens" now
The Karen phenomenon is not new… it goes way back. Like everything else is based on complex material relationships and their interplay with human psychology and systemic socialization.
I know a few ladies called Karen and non of them are ‘Karens’!
@@adamsboringvids again nothing new, one person ruining it for the many.
Karen: The Awakening
If you want to know who not to vote for, ask them their thoughts on removing confederate monuments or the importance of Juneteenth. Lost Causers can't control themselves at the thought of removing them or celebrating the end of slavery.
Brilliant. That's a really good point.
I care more about affective policies, than aesthetic irrelevancies.
@@uncomfortabletruth5915 Indeed
Benny being a good Virtue Signaling lapdog
Fighting the Power by removing statues - 2 steps removed from going full Taliban and blowing them up
Maybe Museums should examined to see if they match up to C21st standards...
Did Washington believe in Trans Rights?
Did Jefferson support Gay Marriage?
Did Lincoln believe there was a Gender Pay Gap?
@@dalmarahmed8499
I can’t imagine how incomprehensible those things would be for the founders.
It would be like trying to explain astronomical objects to Neanderthals
See how easy that was to draw out a lost cause?
The OG Karens.
This historical revisionism seems to happen with every war. In this case, it was the white Southerners. But this happened after Vietnam, as well. Just wait for the complete rewrite of the Afghan war in 20 years or less.
Bodies didn't even get cold yet. Everyone is already shifting blame MSNBC going crazy.
@@Nickademas1 Don't forget Fox News propaganda machine going crazy the other way.. and CNN trying to play both sides by playing the role of the centrist hated by both sides as "too much the other way."
All MSM like Fox News just wants to make money from you and manipulate you for their own benefit. That is why it is called programs.
This is shockingly similar to Germany post WWI
ww1 or ww2?
@@mito88 both.
I had a aunt who was UDC. When department stores in the South started to allow non-white staff and customers in the ‘60s, she refused to shop in one for fear she might try on clothing that had been worn by a black person.
Jesus, what a snowflake.
The confederation of the South lost and will continue to lose...
We have to take steps to ensure this, because it will not happen on it's own if we simply expect it.
@@eliyahubenysrael6272 I work daily to understand and than undermine their agenda...
@@darkdan3379 bullshit, you've never worked before.
Could the same be said for Native American tribes who tried to resist Union encroachment?
05:00 many of the active duty military bases are named after confederate generals
That was because the military was the 1st US institution to integrate. Southerners didn’t want such large, integrated populations in their midst, but the Army wanted to build new bases in the South, so they used Confederate names, to keep Southern politicians, property owners & residents from fighting it.
I don’t mind it but I’m southern so maybe I’m biased I usually don’t notice until it’s changed and I’m looking for a base and wondering why it won’t show up because it’s been changed which annoys me so I’d rather they just leave them alone the trouble I had tryna figure out where fort hood was just to realize it was the previous fort benning and people still call it fort benning here nobody calls it hood it’s only for people like you not to villainize you but people just find it annoying but I understand why it’s a issue I’m fine with removing the monumenta I just hate changing names because it causes issues
This is so interesting, but too short. Where can I watch the whole interview?
I prefer Americans who WEREN'T traitors to their country.
Easy to label them in hindsight, but had you been born and brought up in the south back then, you'd have had a very different perspective as well.
Do you really though?
Ed Snowden, for example.
@@Strype13 hmm, no, as a Black person, I don't think I would have actually
@@Strype13 Yes, it's exceedingly easy to label the people who went to war against their own country to preserve slavery as racist.
"but had you been born and brought up in the south back then, you'd have had a very different perspective as well."
This kind of defense featured in the Nuremberg trials, too.
@@sirius1696 Yeah, it's quite likely you would have. I'm not exactly sure (nor could I know) what your current perspective is, but it doesn't take rocket science to understand that black people in the south had some strong feelings back then. And, for obvious reasons, that doesn't apply solely to black people. Things were very different back then, so I'm not sure why this would be a difficult concept to grasp.
[Edited to add; And by no means am I suggesting things are "good," now. Just that, things were heinously bad in the past, and people from all walks of life were thinking very differently.]
I grew up in the south and that’s how it was always painted to me. “States rights”. Sad.
States rights until a diaster strikes and "why isn't the Federal government helping us" the term vocal to me means cry babies and the white racist needs a diaper change...
Well, technically, they were fighting for States rights, the right to own people.
They just leave that last part out.
Just like when they say "heritage not hate".
It's a heritage of owning people.
A heritage of hate.
All around ignorance.
@@darkdan3379
Those are not mutually exclusive.
People can want both states to have rightful precedent and still federal protections for disaster relief.
If not there is less point to federalism.
@@darkdan3379 states rights doesn't mean always, no matter what, it means states rights generally take the lead over federal mandate. If it was an absolutist position, there would be no point to having a federal government in the first place.
It was taught that way up north too, because the people writing textbooks would lose money by making two separate sets of history books. By the UDC telling them they would not accept those books in the former Confederate states they forced a new history into being.
No matter what you think, it will stay that way. After 150 yrs nothing has fundamentally changed.
The UDC were really, really busy in '92 & '93. Their ugly response to the Rodney King beating, subsequent trial/acquittal of the officers, and the uprising that followed was to run around the south and "gift historical monuments" of notorious confederate monsters. A few years ago my hometown decided to remove our "gift" and these women came out of the woodwork to throw huuuge temper tantrums. Legal action they filed prevented the city from destroying the tacky hate statue, so it's in storage. Nobody wanted them to regift it to another city.
This is clearly a knowledgeable lady and I would like to hear her speak more about the development of the "Lost Cause" interpretation. It's amazing that the UDC and their southern literary allies were so successful in shifting the view of the war. If you've ever heard someone say, "The civil war wasn't really about slavery", that's a person who has been deluded by "Lost Cause" propaganda.
You could read her book....No Common Ground: Confederate Monuments and the Ongoing Fight for Racial Justice by Karen L. Cox
@@spacecase8888 thanks. I don’t know why majority report didn’t put it in the description they usually do that haha
@@intello8953 Yeah, I actually had to search for it.
There are confederate soldiers buried at Arlington. The daughters of confederacy had their headstones remade to come to a point at the top so people would stop sitting on them lol
I'm a vet who never turned traitor, LOL
Very interesting. Didn't know a lot of this.
Only 8 percent of U.S. high school seniors can identify slavery as the central cause of the Civil War.
love the majority and the coverage you all do.
My great grand mother followed this movement. She refused to buy from stores that serve everyone irregardless
Conservatives: "There was no switch. The Democrats of today love slavery as much as their ancestors did".
Also conservatives: "I love the Confederacy!".
Hello, fellow Gus Johnson viewers!
Ambrose Bierce, who fought in the civil war and wrote about it years later, portrayed women as fanatical ideologues. Read “What I Saw of Shiloh” and “The Affair at Coulter’s Notch” for two good examples.
Looking at today’s current events, I think he wasn’t being sexist but truthful.
Interesting...thanks.
but probably sexist
He was a misanthropic cynic affectionately referred to as “Bitter Bierce” for his scathing political and literary critiques. So yeah probably.
I'm not much of a literary critic, what are we supposed to take from those stories?
I don’t know. Whatever meaning you get from it. In “An affair” I see pride and ego as largely the cause for much of the senseless slaughter of war. “Shiloh” is more of a spectacle than anything else.
Reconstruction was never finished
That's usually what happens when you want to beat a defeated nation into submission. They continue to resist indefinitely.
This is really interesting, thank you.
Who is this guest? I did not see any name info in this clip...
Karen Cox. Professor of History at UNC-Charlotte.
The 1996 Olympics put a pause on Lost Cause propaganda for the rest of that decade, at least in Savannah. Public schools were heavily integrated even in the mostly white Wilmington Island area. Teaching Civil Rights was very common.
I don't know what they teach in Savannah public schools today, though the use of private schools to avoid integration is probably more prevalent today than it was back then.
Could someone tell me this woman’s name? Thnx
Karen Cox. Professor of History at UNC-Charlotte.
@@thomasstanfel3219 Thank you!! 👊🏽
A crazy thing I learned recently... Woodrow Wilson was a historian and a lost cause believer. So besides promoting the KKK and segregation, he believed in the idea that black people were being raised up through the educational experience of slavery. Well, he is also the architect of Wilsonian foreign policy, where you do imperialism, but you say it is to make the world safe for democracy. To democratize and civilize the world.
Confederacy apologists should be considered in the same vein as holocaust deniers.
This shit scares me.
Whiteness is a hell of a drug.
why is this on Gus Johnson's homepage?
I just noticed this too. Probably unintentionally added it to the playlist.
In the special collections of the Auburn University Library has an original confederate flag that is on display, donated by the daughters of confederacy. They donate to Auburn and there is a whole confederate collection there.
Sherman didn’t go far enough.
I know🤣
Yes, some people thought he didn't pack enough matches.
That's fucked up.
@@barbiquearea aww, should have hung the traitors instead of putting them back in power..southern Nuremberg trail...
Why do you care how another place wants to show their heritage? If the north can have gay pride, why can't the south have southern pride?
And their HQ got torched last year! Heeheehee
Serena Joy
There is a Vox video that expains this.
IMHO the main reason why there was so much support for abolition in the north, was to stop the south from
Gaining a power dynamic of more slave states that would exert power to deny the north, political hegemony.
Which is likely why Lincoln espoused his famous quote,
If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.
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They need a man
Left is best
O, the good old days!!!
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
Trump 2024!!! 🦅 🇺🇸 ☝️🥴👍
12k views..lol. how do you still have a show
Ok why shouldn't there be a Confederate monument in Arlington Cemetery? Arlington originally belonged to Robert E Lee, it was his wife's family estate which they inherited from Lee's father in law. The reason it became a the nation's main cemetery for war veterans in the first place was because Lincoln stripped it from Lee and made it a government possession. In fact he first used it for artillery practice before dumping a bunch of dead veterans on the land.
No celebrating traitors with statues...lee can have a headstone like everyone else...
Because it helps perpetrate the lost cause myth. Watch the video mate. They pretty explicitly spell this out.
Not to mention lee himself said he didn’t want any monuments
Yes they were Democrats.
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Not the democrats of today :) remember kkk endorses republicans. They endorsed trump :) don’t get it confused
This isn't really the gotcha you think it is. We know about the Southern Strategy
@@SpoopySquid yes Andrew Jackson who killed most of the Indians in the south Democrat, 90% of slave owners Democrats, john wilkes booth Democrat actor, KKK formed to intimate freed blacks from voting Democrats, Jim Crow laws Democrats, planned parenthood who calls blacks “weeds who need to be cut down” Democrats. The first black Representative were all Republicans.
@@iamthegoat2359 Joe Biden, President Barack Obama and President Bill Clinton all gave eulogies KKK member and head recruiter Robert Byrd’s funeral. So….