I think because of this interaction, this might end up being the strongest esper commander. So many creature/commander centric decks exist (thoracle). Having a way to at instant speed shut down all of that is bananas.
Anyone else forget this wasnt a spell table game and get a little freaked out when Dylan reached across the playmats to count bane of progress... Just me... Okay.
I have been watching this channel for a while now, and one of things that I enjoy most about it (aside from the funny banter that the table almost always has) is how they add the little edits about how they miss played and what the actual outcome should have been if it was crucial game error. Hats off gents!
I'd love to see a casual episode featuring Rendmaw, Creaking Nest. He's definitely my favorite commander from the new set in terms of casual fun, and I'd love to see others trying to build around him.
This is cool, I’ve never played cEDH but you guys do a really great job of making is easier to follow. I really like the pauses to help explain. Looking forward to new videos!
We need a video on the new bans what deck it makes bad what combos it gets rid of and what you guys think the state of CEDH will look like moving forward
Hakim Loreweaver + Treachery + Claws of Gix is the sauce for an infinite mana combo. You just need Borne upon a wind/Emergence Zone to cast your commander to win
Loved the Valgavoth side note, found the card pretty cool going into spoilers and your review was painful lmao! Sure it's only 3 cards a turn but it procs on half the cedh staples from crypt to force of will, and in rakdos you take any draw you can.
What's your thoughts on the new bans. Feels like all the rule 0 and power level talk was just a way to get info to try and shape commander the way the committee wants.
Master of Keys is better than I thought, wow. Being able to essentially keep Mystic Remora in play constantly, or play Dress Down over and over, is really good. Damn, I want to buy that commander deck now.
They will probably cry like the manchilds on reddit. People overreacting HARD, like "oh no my deck lost 2 cards, now i can´t possibly ever cast this commander, i´m gonna sell my collection".
@@AdaWongMistressto be fair if two of those cards were in your deck, it’s nearly $300 in value lost and a significant shift in power level of that deck lol
As someone who is wanting to get into cEDH and is debating on playing Rakdos, my personal opinion would be that Valgavoth “feels” better than Ob Nixis, for the reason mentioned in the video. I personally enjoy having hidden information and keeping my cards till I’m ready to use them. I also fully respect anyone who enjoys playing Ob Nixis.
Y'all keep talking about them missed roiling vortex triggers yet y'all missed the missed trigger from when cam casted the deflecting swat for free! That extra 5 would have put him under when he played saw in half for free.
It might be that when the 1st FOMO attacks, you untap kikijiki, then get a new combat, activate kikijiki, create a new FOMO with haste, then repeat.(if the 1st FOMO is gonna die to blocks you just activate kikijiki and create the copy before damage) Unless somebody has an indestructible blocker, you can probably just go through a ton of combats sending a string of FOMOS
@@suburban_squatch im saying the problem is even if it’s a token copy since it shares the name then it shouldn’t trigger again giving infinite combats.
@@Dtdragpnd1 It does, since the name only refers to the object it's on. CR 201.4 Text that refers to the object it’s on by name means just that particular object and not any other objects with that name, regardless of any name changes caused by game effects
Hey, i was curious what your guys thoughts on how a rograkh/ tymna mardu hammertime deck would be. Ive had pretty high success compared to semi competitive players but havent bridged to playing against TEDH style decks
Now that jeweled lotus, mana crypt and dockside are banned I feel like Valgavoth is a big consideration over Ob Nixilis, that extra mana is a huge difference.
Good job as always. Very interesting on seeing what are your opinion on the ban shaking the format (yeah like everyone here apparently). How did the meta will adapt, will it be good or bad for diversity ? I share some of the opinion here (financial value loss, ...) but just do some proxies, or accept it and move on
I have a question. At 15:15, Will triggers both Valvagoths and Tyler says that Cam's trigger goes on the stack first. My question is: is it the time stamp that says whose trigger happens first or is it play order? Also I love how powerful Master of keys is in Tyler's deck! Great deck building Tyler!
Tyle said cam's resolve 1st,and It is turn order.when balloon took damage,Tyler put the trigger on stack 1st then Cam put his on stack.then the stack will try to resolve,so Cams trigger will resolve before Tyler
I know this is probably wishful thinking, but I FEEL like Arabella might have something going on. On a lucky draw in casual I had a turn 3 win because of Ocelot Pride, and making a billion tokens seems like it might be trivial? I guess the issue is if you can make a billion tokens, you already won, and other commanders can facilitate that billion tokens better. Still, killing a table of Blue Farms and Nadus with a doll is so enticing.
correct me if i am wrong, but dress down enters at the end step of Cam, so it has to be sac in the same end step, or because it enters on end step, is after the beginning of that end steps and that trigger doesn't apply?
First of all: love your content just found you guys recently and im realy enjoying it so far. I would like to ask a question. is there a strategic reasoning for playing mox opal turn 1 despite it not being online or is it just a playpattern as it would virtually make no difference? Hope my english aint to bad greetings from a german fan.
I think it has to do with whether you expect your opponents to play a card that can get advantage from it. That doesn't apply here (as his opponents don't have rhystic/mystic), but it may just be habit for tyler. The only major con to doing that is it feeds dockside, but that can be fine. Giving your opponents cards might not be.
Plays around other players drawing into cards like Rhystic Study, Mystic Remora, Esper Sentinel, and other Stax cards. Plays into Dockside Extortionist but that is only one card versus many.
That makes sense to me thanks for the insight guys:) in this specific scenario i cant help myself to think that it might be better to keep it as the other color dont have access to named cards appart from sentinel but that is my Personal Interpretation of optimal play and very nitpicky :D
Woah, Master of Keys putting Escape on Dress Down is really sick.
Right???
@@PlaytoWinMTG welcome to modern grixis shadow when lurrus wasnt banned
When I saw the card I said "ooh, you can recur mystic remora/dress down/solitary confinement/contamination"
I think because of this interaction, this might end up being the strongest esper commander. So many creature/commander centric decks exist (thoracle). Having a way to at instant speed shut down all of that is bananas.
@@hunterstrong3318man, now i wish dress down was on arena 😭
I love how many times Cam almost said “Valgavoth” correctly, then corrected himself and said it wrong 😂
We’re trying our best here
@@PlaytoWinMTG and I think it’s great :)
I love it! Don't ever change, @PlaytoWinMTG
Petition for a Secret Lair drop version of the card that is identical to the standard one, but named "Valvagoth".
He incorrected himself
Missed opportunity to call the Jolly Balloon deck "Squeaky-Jiki"
I'm a big fan of 'Freaky Jiki' myself
Holy crap that's perfect! Calling it that from now on!
Anyone else forget this wasnt a spell table game and get a little freaked out when Dylan reached across the playmats to count bane of progress... Just me... Okay.
I was about to say this, I was like wtf
The mutual "Hm." on the Dress Down. Perfect.
I have been watching this channel for a while now, and one of things that I enjoy most about it (aside from the funny banter that the table almost always has) is how they add the little edits about how they miss played and what the actual outcome should have been if it was crucial game error. Hats off gents!
Cant wait to hear your guys thoughts on this banlist they dropped today.
Still waiting 😆
The dress down on the birds was both gross and a top level play lol. What a great game
three dress downs in one game absolutely huge
Pretty much each commander had their moment, really impressive that they can all perform so well at this power level!
Who’s here 5 minutes after they banned Mana Crypt, Dockside, etc to see if this is the last video we’ll see them?
yup just waiting on their video :D
Will is a great add to the episode! Good banter, politic-ing, and a good understanding of the deck imo. Great to have you on, Will 💜
Loved this music in this episode, especially around the Bane of Progress
Would love to see more Master of Keys, as I am keen on building it. Also, wow, that Valgavoth drew so many cards!
I was a little interested in Valgavoth, then saw how much players damage themselves for effects and am much more interested.
@@aultimusprime remember, it only triggers once per turn, and only for the opponent whose turn it is. So far less explosive than ObNix
God, I love watching you guys. You just always seem to be having a blast and it is so freaking wholesome.
I'd love to see a casual episode featuring Rendmaw, Creaking Nest. He's definitely my favorite commander from the new set in terms of casual fun, and I'd love to see others trying to build around him.
This is cool, I’ve never played cEDH but you guys do a really great job of making is easier to follow. I really like the pauses to help explain. Looking forward to new videos!
This video is the push I needed to go on with my Valgavoth deck. Thanks!
This was a fantastic episode. A lot of interaction and cooo synergy. You guys are killing it.
Master of Keys seemed awesome, I'm shocked Tyler couldn't find the win with all those cards
as much as these commanders didn't seem all that great in the set review, this was one of the coolest cedh games I've seen in a long time
We need a video on the new bans what deck it makes bad what combos it gets rid of and what you guys think the state of CEDH will look like moving forward
We need more hip hop classics with Cam and Dylan
Anyone else watching this to count the number of banned cards put on the stack?
Great episode and enjoyed Will’s energy!
Hakim Loreweaver + Treachery + Claws of Gix is the sauce for an infinite mana combo. You just need Borne upon a wind/Emergence Zone to cast your commander to win
I'm ready to hear their takes on the bans, I think it would be health for a split in banlists. One for CEDH and one for casual
Great showcase of all 4 decks!
Necromancy seems really cool in tyler's deck.
Love it! Great brews. Wasnt sold on this set at first but been lowkey impressed
Yo I am so exited for the next Video after updated Ban list ....... BRING IT ON ! ! ! !
Loved the Valgavoth side note, found the card pretty cool going into spoilers and your review was painful lmao! Sure it's only 3 cards a turn but it procs on half the cedh staples from crypt to force of will, and in rakdos you take any draw you can.
Bane of Progress hit hard! Good edit with the music :)
convoke actually counts as paying mana, you can convoke stuff with vexing bauble for example and it will not get countered
Was about to comment this. Good catch.
@exsnypre totally true, the Reminders and the gatherer are missleading in the way it is explained
This was a fantastic game. Love the dress down on the birds. Lmao
Who’s here after the new commander ban? Bring my mana crypt back!
I think these decks deserve a rematch. This was very entertaining.
Just gotta take out the docksides, Jlo, and crypt 😂
@@zacharybouck9769 lol rule zero!
What's your thoughts on the new bans. Feels like all the rule 0 and power level talk was just a way to get info to try and shape commander the way the committee wants.
Take the "government" out of commander, lol. Or at least make a cedh ban list.
This game was great! I feel like everyone had a chance to show what their commander could do. I hope we can see some more Kona in the future!
Master of Keys is better than I thought, wow. Being able to essentially keep Mystic Remora in play constantly, or play Dress Down over and over, is really good. Damn, I want to buy that commander deck now.
The Kona into Bane of Progress was so cool! Worth the early exit 😂
WE NEED TO HEAR ABOUT THE BAN LIST
This rc is so bad bro, those bans were not needed in the format
They will probably cry like the manchilds on reddit. People overreacting HARD, like "oh no my deck lost 2 cards, now i can´t possibly ever cast this commander, i´m gonna sell my collection".
@@AdaWongMistressthat's exactly what is happening lmao
@@itsSmiv bunch of entitled babies. That´s why the cedh folk is the laughing stock of the mtg community
@@AdaWongMistressto be fair if two of those cards were in your deck, it’s nearly $300 in value lost and a significant shift in power level of that deck lol
Definitely waiting on a new video of how cEDH will be affected by the new bans 🤔
When are we going to hear your opinion on the recent ban my guys? I’m curious what you think.
As someone who is wanting to get into cEDH and is debating on playing Rakdos, my personal opinion would be that Valgavoth “feels” better than Ob Nixis, for the reason mentioned in the video. I personally enjoy having hidden information and keeping my cards till I’m ready to use them. I also fully respect anyone who enjoys playing Ob Nixis.
Y'all keep talking about them missed roiling vortex triggers yet y'all missed the missed trigger from when cam casted the deflecting swat for free! That extra 5 would have put him under when he played saw in half for free.
Hey, do you guys do Primers for newer decks or have a place you prefer to find them?
How does kikijiki and FOMO combo? 2:13 FOMO says first time it attacks so it would only get 1 extra combat?
It might be that when the 1st FOMO attacks, you untap kikijiki, then get a new combat, activate kikijiki, create a new FOMO with haste, then repeat.(if the 1st FOMO is gonna die to blocks you just activate kikijiki and create the copy before damage) Unless somebody has an indestructible blocker, you can probably just go through a ton of combats sending a string of FOMOS
@@suburban_squatch im saying the problem is even if it’s a token copy since it shares the name then it shouldn’t trigger again giving infinite combats.
@@Dtdragpnd1 It does, since the name only refers to the object it's on.
CR 201.4 Text that refers to the object it’s on by name means just that particular object and not any other objects with that name, regardless of any name changes caused by game effects
@@Dtdragpnd1😂
Y’all need to make a video about these banned
Hey, i was curious what your guys thoughts on how a rograkh/ tymna mardu hammertime deck would be. Ive had pretty high success compared to semi competitive players but havent bridged to playing against TEDH style decks
Holy crap, I'm so used to the webcam games, that my brain broke a little bit when someone reached across frame to edit their life total lol
Love the Phantom's Revenge shirt
Best coaster in PA I think
WE NEED A VIDEO ON THE UPDATED BAN LIST IN COMMANDER STAT!!!
Excited to see more of Kona!
I’m putting JBM into my ghired mirror of the wilds deck. if you can hold JBM and Ghired and drop the new etb lizard or VBR you can go crazy.
Wouldn't mind seeing a "Best Rakdos Commander Fall 2024" episode!
Does Obby hold his place over Rakdos the Muscle, or Imskir, or this new boi???
Holy moly escaping Dress Down is nasty
sound track as always on point
Wasn't the village bell-ringers in play? It would combo off with the ballon man and gain infinite mana and creatures with haste
Guys, please make a video on the CEDH bans!!!!!!!!!
I appreciate your videos gang. They're cool.
Now that jeweled lotus, mana crypt and dockside are banned I feel like Valgavoth is a big consideration over Ob Nixilis, that extra mana is a huge difference.
Hearing the phonk is epic
I just wanted to say... 09/23/24... RIP: Mana Crypt / Jeweled Lotus / Dockside... (and yeah Nadu... but fuck that bird)
Tyler's deck went off hard, and then Bane bomb!
New ban list makes me sad
Can’t wait for yall to talk about it
Please don’t listen to the new banlist to stick it to the rules committee. Thanks !!
There’s a certain irony seeing a dockside go crazy the day before being banned… 😂
I can’t wait to try out that jolly balloon man deck with a legal dockside in my de… wait a minute :(
Shoutout to my buddy Will, glad you got to be there dude!
Good job as always. Very interesting on seeing what are your opinion on the ban shaking the format (yeah like everyone here apparently). How did the meta will adapt, will it be good or bad for diversity ? I share some of the opinion here (financial value loss, ...) but just do some proxies, or accept it and move on
Deck names are always in point
Bane of progress was my game winner the other day with ygra!! 💪
i believe cam missed a draw trigger when fomo attacked tyler, and cam should've drawn another card when valgavoth attked will
Kona big!! Love it guys ❤
Those beetle juice sleeves. I want them!!! Where do I get them!?!?
I have a question.
At 15:15, Will triggers both Valvagoths and Tyler says that Cam's trigger goes on the stack first. My question is: is it the time stamp that says whose trigger happens first or is it play order?
Also I love how powerful Master of keys is in Tyler's deck! Great deck building Tyler!
Tyle said cam's resolve 1st,and It is turn order.when balloon took damage,Tyler put the trigger on stack 1st then Cam put his on stack.then the stack will try to resolve,so Cams trigger will resolve before Tyler
I know this is probably wishful thinking, but I FEEL like Arabella might have something going on. On a lucky draw in casual I had a turn 3 win because of Ocelot Pride, and making a billion tokens seems like it might be trivial? I guess the issue is if you can make a billion tokens, you already won, and other commanders can facilitate that billion tokens better. Still, killing a table of Blue Farms and Nadus with a doll is so enticing.
when does the ep about the commander bannings come out? cedh just got hosed and thoracle is emergency ban?
Cam, what are your thoughts aborto europapark? I think the new coaster, voltron, is awesome
Damn, can't believe they banned mana crypt, dockside, and jewelled lotus.
Wanted to see more of the kona deck. Dylan got screwed over!
Starting to get into cedh and mannn it's difficult keeping up with those triggers 🤣
Hey Play to Win im building a Selvala, Heart of the Wilds for my first cedh deck. Do yall ever use her?
correct me if i am wrong, but dress down enters at the end step of Cam, so it has to be sac in the same end step, or because it enters on end step, is after the beginning of that end steps and that trigger doesn't apply?
Is it worth building a Dimir commander for cEDH or is it not competitive enough? If it is what commander would you recommend?
Am I able to buy those playmats? They look super cool
If FOMO becomes the new main kiki combo, will titans be run a bit more just to make sure you never run out of cards in your library?
In the Jolly Balloon man build Do you have to run mana echoes?
Nice game. These commanders seem cool. ❤❤❤
I love the balloon man and i hope there is meta deck with him in the future
Squeaky Jiki is a joy to see operate. Definitely an interesting Boros combo deck
First of all: love your content just found you guys recently and im realy enjoying it so far.
I would like to ask a question. is there a strategic reasoning for playing mox opal turn 1 despite it not being online or is it just a playpattern as it would virtually make no difference?
Hope my english aint to bad greetings from a german fan.
I think it has to do with whether you expect your opponents to play a card that can get advantage from it. That doesn't apply here (as his opponents don't have rhystic/mystic), but it may just be habit for tyler. The only major con to doing that is it feeds dockside, but that can be fine. Giving your opponents cards might not be.
Plays around other players drawing into cards like Rhystic Study, Mystic Remora, Esper Sentinel, and other Stax cards. Plays into Dockside Extortionist but that is only one card versus many.
That makes sense to me thanks for the insight guys:) in this specific scenario i cant help myself to think that it might be better to keep it as the other color dont have access to named cards appart from sentinel but that is my Personal Interpretation of optimal play and very nitpicky :D
@@farwen4967wheel of fortune might be another one that he wanted to play around, plus obviously esper sentinel and dauntless dismantler
Master of keys seemed sick for sure
sawing in half a broodlord always fun
Already waiting for a new video because of the new bans:'(
Bro just saying:
Make CEDH own format with own banlist
Master of keys seems really sick
What is the track at 7:40? It's soo good!
These guys need time to cope like the rest of us,that has invested in this game over the years.
The fact that the new ban list came out and hosed some Cedh cards if painful
r.i.p dockside
Yall should play some Saheeli suns brilliance on the show. Plays like jolly balloon man but better