Psychology of a Hero: THOR
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- How do you deal with loss, grief, and feelings of failure?
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright talk about Thor's journey, especially through Infinity War and Avenger's Endgame, when Thor has faced a lot of loss, feels he has failed at what he was supposed to do, and sometimes isn't handling things particularly well.
But he learns to accept being who he is, and that he is still worthy. They also talk about how he gets to that point of acceptance, what helps him get through his trauma and loss, that Chris Hemsworth might be the best actor in the MCU, and how Alan is just very weird.
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Written by: Megan Seawright, Jonathan Decker, and Alan Seawright
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Guys, could you please do Alucard from Castlevania next? I mean..the series is not that long. Pretty pleaaase! ♥️♥️♥️
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Awesome video! Will you be doing a an episode for SUPERMAN??
Oh no, you missed a super important bit of that arc : Thor's reaction when Cap carries the Hammer. He goes like "I knew it" with a smile. All the insecurity/competition is gone. For me, this is a line designed to acknowledge that he has evolved. I love that moment.
It's so wholesome!
That's Cap and Thor not Thor
That's Cap and Thor not Thor
It's my favorite Thor moment. He's not jealous or worried, like at the party in Age of Ultron. He's just genuinely happy for and proud of his friend.
@@kevinbaird6705 In Thor, the enchantment was his hurdle to overcome. In Age of Ultron and Ragnarok, it’s his identity. “what are you, the god of hammer?” 😂. He was nervous when cap almost lifted the hammer, because in a split second, what made him special isn’t true anymore. In Endgame, it’s his re-assurance. People can lie, pity or just plain being nice to him. The hammer can’t lie. He might still be able to chart his own course had the hammer not come because his mother has just re-assured him, but mjornir lifted a lot of self-doubt from him. Without the hammer, he is still worthy. So when cap lifted the hammer, it doesn’t invalidate his identity anymore, but actually validate the people that surround him. Amazing arc.
Mad claps for Chris Hemsworth for advocating to keep Thor's weight gain for the rest of the film. No one ever just magically sends away what they don't like about their body, you have to work your way back towards the goal you want, even if it takes you another journey to get there. And I think for even a god to be represented in such a human way is incredibly relatable to see.
Agreed.
I'm repeating myself, but I think it's worth it: back in 80ies/90ies movies, depression of a man who'd lost somebody somehow manifested itself in 100% manly ways (pig-sty apartment, junk food, not shaving, abrasive manners, drinking) but never messed up the hero's skills or looks and then could be shrugged off the moment the plot demanded it.
I absolutely love that pretty much all of these harmful stereotypes are avoided, and on top of it Chris Hemsworth got a chance to show off his acting big time. Playing a smoking hot, cute, personable, chiseled-abs hero is one thing. Making a overweight guy with a sleeping-under-a-bridge style of beard and tendency to tear up heroic?
Respect. Thor in that final movie is every bit as awesome as he ever was; the moment where lightning coruscates over him gives me all kinds of chills.
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Agreed! I liked that too.
You guys should really cover Kung Fu Panda! Both Po’s imposter syndrome and Ty Lung’s refusal to give up what he’s earned have a lot to chew on I think
Honestly I don’t think anyone would complain if they covered the entire trilogy.
...I literally just finished a video by Schaffrillas productions on Kung Fu Panda.
I second that. The Kung Fu Panda series has a LOT of therapeutic content that resonates me and other people. Please Cinema Therapy 🙏🙏🙏
I fully support this! It's beautiful and I love it! Also, since I'm thinking how awesome Jack Black is, School of Rock. Fantastic movie.
Seconded
hemsworth delivery of 'im still worthy' is incredible. but one thing i love about that scene is his mother. with no doubts and absolute confidence she says 'it sometimes takes a second,' she believes in her children and loves them so much, I feel like her input made it all the more powerful!
Her performance in those scenes is beautiful. Especially "the future hasn't been kind to you."
Honestly! That scene is spectacular because in reaching out for the hammer, Thor is trying to see if he’s still worthy to wield the hammer, but Frigga has absolutely no doubt in her mind that he’s worthy. It’s beautiful :’)
Also beautiful because it says being worthy is NOT just about confidence or belief in oneself. Thor is uncertain, worried, and essentially experiencing an existential crisis. Mjolnir coming back essentially tells him that he is Worthy because of his core self, and that is powerful.
Yesssss!❤
On a personal note, that line "Everybody fails at who they're supposed to be" brought me to tears, it was a weight off my back. When I was growing up, teachers, parents, and elders told me I was destined for the small town. Teachers told I'd be a burnout, parents and elders told me I'd be a mechanic or factory worker and I failed big time. I had 38 jobs before I was 23 because I kept trying to get into the trades and kept getting fired.
In 2015, I went to see Age of Ultron and decided I want to look like Chris Evans, this made me realize I've spent 23 years extremely obese and lead me to lose 112 lbs and get involved in Crossfit. I moved back home and decided to start my life over again and I'd accept whatever opportunity came my way. Then, since I was feeling better, I gave mental healthcare a shot again, got on medication and stayed on it. Eventually, I found my home in big cities and in academia and that's where I am now, happier than ever, more fulfilled than I ever thought I could be.
Thank you for sharing your journey with us! ❤️
I rewatched Stardust recently. Your story reminds me of a quote from it. Hope your journey continues to grow as you do.
Honestly, I wish I knew what this means, I mean, I get the sentiment, and I understand the objective measure of the phrase, but in the end, there is no way, that I've seen, to live meaningfully in this world, where "what you're supposed to be" isn't just pounding you into dust incessently, where "who you are" isn't just fiction, it's inane fantasy
@@scarsofthenorth1205 there’s something in psychology called scripts; From the moment you’re born, society puts expectations on you that you’re expected to know and perform without being told. It’s like an actor performing a script, not being able to convincingly perform these scripts can cause anger, self-doubt and self-hate. Issues that stem from inability to perform these expectations is self harm and abuse of mind-altering substances. These are what the phrase is talking about.
You’ve got to stop trying to act out scripts and find stuff you enjoy that embodies you. We might be getting beat down by life 24/7, but if you’re living your best life it’s gonna be fine.
Oh that's so fantastic!!!!
My mom died four hours before Endgame came out. I went, since there was nothing else I could do. I thought I could at least try and not think about it for a little while, but then Thor went back to see his mom, and that was possibly one of the hardest scenes I've ever had to deal with in a film. I was a wreck. That whole movie would have been emotional for me anyway, but man, to this day every single scene brings back all kinds of feelings since my loss was about as fresh as it could be.
Omg this comment made me tear up. I’m so sorry
😢sorry for your loss❤
Stay strong bro. Sorry for your loss.
Hemsworth definitely didn't play the fat suit as a joke. The director actually wanted him to be slim again for the final battle but Hemsworth pushed to have it left on because of how it represented Thor's struggle.
Good on him.
…I just wish the directors hadn’t made it and Thor’s ptsd a “joke” anyway
@@anonymousfellow8879 I agree completely.
I don’t see Thor’s PTSD being played here for a joke honestly. You can see it. He triggers when Thanos is mentioned for example.
Congratulations to Hemsworth for playing the complexities even if the script is written to be “jokey” at times.
@@anonymousfellow8879 I don't think it was necessarily them but more of studio intervention since pretty much all movies since Ragnarok have the same memo of cracking constant jokes even in serious moments. So its hard to tell if it was the directors or the studio
@@anonymousfellow8879 not a joke, they showed him coping by drinking and humor and avoiding emotions and the topic itself. you know, now that a think about it, the last 3 things are exactly how i cope lol
I think Chris Hemsworth is criminally underrated as an actor. And I agree that he is probably the best in the series.
I agree that he is underrated for sure because he is an amazing actor. And it irks me that some people say "he's not underated, he's so popular" and it's true he's popular but mostly for his looks and that it just so happened he's in one of the biggest hollywood franchise. But his acting skills are often overlooked, like how CT said about the subtlety of his acting and the way he delivers emotions so genuinely. He can be funny, dramatic, cool and full of action and those are underrated. Sorry for the tangent but have a nice day ig lmao 😅
Idk about best in the series. Robert Downey Jr was INCREDIBLE, but he was technically just playing himself. Overall, I’d say Tom Hiddleston is the best actor in the MCU, and now Jonathan Majors is giving him a run for his money.
Not enough people have watched 12 strong or Extraction, Chris is amazing in those movies
His acting when talking to rocket in infinity war and when hulk and rocket come to get him is some of his best acting in the MCU.
Him and Tom Hidleston. Probably spelled that wrong.
Chris Hemsworth has one of the best warcries in history too. When you hear Thor scream after Cap says "Assemble", its a powerful moment.
Yes!
@@CinemaTherapyShowthank you for this videos everyone gets mad at "goofy/funny thor" he has surivor's guilt and i think its one of his ways he deals with his pain by downplaying it through humor it makes perfect sense from a grieving standpoint that he would use that "goofy" trait to mask all the pain hes felt for 1500 years of his life
@@Chuck_EL Exactly. Humour, sarcasm, and deflection is obviously his coping mechanism.
@@Chuck_EL The criticism was never about Thor making jokes. Everyone understood that was his way of coping. What people were upset about was everyone ELSE making jokes at his expense and the movie in general making it seem like his depression and weight gain is something to laugh about. It's a byproduct of the MCU's awful tonal issues.
I love that moment, too, but it's for two other reasons:
- that perfect "all is lost" moment where Cap gets ready to face Thanos and his CGI army with minimal back-up followed by a miracle set up two movies earlier,
- the way that rather cheesy "Avengers, assemble!" is turned into this growly, subdued war-cry.
The beauty is: both of those warcries fit like a glove to their respective characters.
I didn’t know that Hemsworth did that with the fat suit and that adds on a whole other layer of respect for that man. I do find him to be a phenomenal actor who hits all the right character beats in the roles he plays, but that moment in Endgame is so important because it made the fat suit no longer a joke. It made it a real life consequence and it defied the expectation of everyone watching the film. Thor raising his hammer, getting that lightning bolt, and turning back into his super buff self was what we all thought was going to happen. What we got instead was a lot more meaningful.
We DID get a slammin' beard, tho.
Word.
There is so much I love about that - writing, acting, setting, build-up, pay-off - but maybe the best thing is they took all the stuff - overweight, depression, glued to the coach - that happens usually happens to the losers or _maybe_ the side-kick, and showed: yes, not only can this stuff can happen to your hot, ripped, fun super-hero, but *it's a pretty logical conclusion* of all that he went through.
Compare that to the "cop in a bad place" trope of the 80ies / 90ies: that guy would still be manly about it - apartment looks like a mess, eats garbage, doesn't shave, drinks a lot - but there'd be no long-time effects, all the booze and junk-food miraculously doesn't affect his looks and one good epiphany / emergency, and he's back on his feet.
Moral of that story: Real Men (TM) just snap out of a depression the moment there's work to do. 😵😖🤦♀
Seeing his mother say "idiot, no. Failure, absolutely" and the tone she said that makes me feel there's stills chance to get up. And if I were to fail again then I can get up again. And thanks for you guys for making such precious content ♥️ It seems I love these episodes more than the movies🙊
When she says “absolutely” it’s so full of pride
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Something that really hits hard is that Thor says to Rocket, "What more could I loose..." and in the scene where Thanos snaps, his question is answered. He could loose, not any specific thing or person, but he could loose, that's what finally pushes him, because he figures, if I win, them all this death and loss would be worth something, but in that moment, all of his suffering, amounted to nothing. That's why he broke after that.
Wow. Such a good perspective! 👍🏼
Your comment is underrated. Awesome analysis
In addition to what you said, Thor also blames himself for the loss that everyone left in the universe felt after Thanos won. Thor didn't personally have anything left to lose really, but then he had a chance to win against Thanos, and messed it up (unintentionally, but that still weighs heavily on him). I think that knowing that everyone left in the universe was now feeling that same sense of loss that he had been feeling, because of him (in his mind), also contributed to his breakdown.
Lose. Not loose.
@@littlemoth4956 how about saying something interesting and relevant instead of trying to feel like you got a tiny victory over a stranger? Adults are talking here.
I cannot tell you how happy I was to see Thor say "I'm still Worthy!" I'm an overweight, deeply depressive guy with extreme anxiety, always worried that my failures define me, and that if I fail at something, I am not worthy. After visiting a counsellor this week after talking about wanting to take my own life, she compared me to my fish, to remind me that just simply the fact you are living means you are worthy.
I would love to see you guys cover Tom Holland's Spider-Man and his lack of self-worth and imposter syndrome!
You are a wonderful human. Your therapist was right. Just you living is enough.
I’m in your exact shoes, reading your comment I felt the need to tell this internet stranger that he’s worth it even though I have difficulty feeling that way about myself. We’ll get through this together!
Don't know what your counselor would say to this, but:
I think suicide looks like the sort-of logical thing when we think there's nothing we can do to improve anything, kind of like quitting work when we realize that right now, our efforts there do zero good to anybody //cough🐦cough//.
And goodness knows, loosing a lot of weight is a _pest_ : slipping for 20 minutes is enough to destroy the work of days if there's a starbucks / Burger close by, and you can work at it for months and still get "eeee, a fat person, gross!"looks. (Yep, voice of experience.)
Right up until you realize that you've got no idea about what's behind that door that _seems_ to lead to a nice, quiet, restful place. It's not that I believe there'll be demons with pitchforks. It's just that I know that once I know what's behind the door, there's no going back.
Also, given some of the people that the world has at different times considered "worthy/unworthy" ... in case of doubt I can donate some money to ecosia/wikipedia/whatever and give some free homework help, with a bit of luck that should get out of the worst 80%.
@@Julia-lk8jn You can be you. Nobody else can do that.
I think Thor's reaction to Cap wielding the hammer also showed his growth. In Age of Ultron, he was obviously worried when Cap nudged the hammer, but in Endgame there was none of that. He was happy Cap did it.
It's not growth
It's pathetic writing
To make Thor look like a weakling he was turned in to a side character
Even though he's supposed to be Thanos s arch nemesis
What a shit show.
@@human3213 Are you okay? Have you slept recently? Gone outside? I think you need some time in the sunshine.
I absolutely love that "I'm still worthy" scene. Made me cry like a… well, like a 40-year old man who's struggled his whole life with depression I guess. Gets me every time - I don't even need the context; just show me the tail end of his conversation with Frigga and him holding up his hand and I'm there. Such an absolutely powerful emotional moment and absolutely awesome performance.
And I think the jokeyness of it all works better than if it was all dark and serious. I mean, life is absolutely bonkers, right? Everyone's ultimately a pretty silly bastard. We all get crumbs on our shirts and yell at video games or do something equally silly. People aren't cool or serious. So while I like the DC movies well enough, they're mostly just popcorn movies to me. They're a little bit too divorced from reality, paradoxically while trying really hard to be "realistic" and "grounded" and "gritty". The Marvel movies are btter at showing characters who are mostly just like the rest of us. A little smarter, more good looking etc, sure. But Thor is a silly sod and that makes me love him.
And Chris Hemswoth is absolutely fantastic.
Marvel is like Pixar, tricking us into therapy and facing our feelings. I fully agree with what you said, tho I will always choose Batman over any hero. But I appreciate the silliness. Keeps you from going too deep but still allows you to feel.
So are you, sir! Absolutely fantastic! Just thought I'd put that out there in case no one has told you yet today!
I love his talk with his mom. He just needed his mommy.
My sentiments exactly. I LOVE a good cry-laugh. I could never really enjoy DC movies because they are just so... washed out. Everything is emotionless and always low. I need to experience at least a small range of emotions for god's sake
@@kimbarbeaureads people who criticize that arent getting why he cried and whispered "im still worthy" had nothing to do with mjnoir , it was that he didnt feel worthy as a brother, son, friend, or partner and that gave him peace and healing
For me, an important part of the scene where Thor is trying to convince the others to let him use the Stones is how quickly Tony (not the most sensitive of people) stops Thor, because he recognizes that Thor isn't ok. When Tony says "you're in no condition," he's not talking about Thor's physique, he's talking about where Thor is emotionally. It's such a great (if brief) moment of caring, and the acting is just excellent.
And, yes, Chris Hemsworth is criminally underrated as an actor, exactly because he's so damn pretty. I don't know if he's better than the other big names, but he's absolutely playing in that league, and he doesn't get enough credit for it.
You articulated what I've been trying to put my finger on. Tony sees what Thor is trying to do, even when nobody else is even saying it. He knows Thor is trying to sacrifice himself and Tony knows the sort of mental place Thor is in. As much as they've butted heads, Tony really was looking out for Thor.
They didn't do the fat stuff perfectly in this but I'm so glad to hear that Chris Hemsworth fought to not immediately go back to traditionally perfect body. The two steps forward one step back thing is not lost on audiences I think.
I just how different "heroic depression" used to look in movies:
classic 80ies/90ies depressed cop (though it wouldn't even be called that, it would be "eh, he lost his wife/partner/child" ): possibly more manly than before, because now he drinks, eats garbage and doesn't tidy up his apartment. And none of that effects his looks in any way that couldn't be fixed with a shower and shave.
And of course as soon as he's needed,he's back to hunt down the big bad, with fitness and aim unimpaired.
I get the reason, but it's pretty toxic because it tells you that a Real Man (TM) can just shrug off a depression when duty calls, no lasting after-effects.
=> if you can't do that, there's something wrong with you.
"Worthiness is not based on behavior, it's based on existing." Wow... I have needed to hear that for months. Thank you Jono ❤️
Luckily I'm just some faceless voice on the internet, so I doubt my opinion will do much damage here:
Nope. You don't get worth for existing, unless we are talking about the same amount of worth that a common garden snail or a cute little rat has.
For trying to achieve something, for honestly striving to be a good person or improving the world just a little bit, yes.
Just for existing? No. I'm not giving some incel advocating that all women are talked of as 'toilets' or some neo-nazi suggesting that the US should be a white christian theocracy points for the fact that somebody went to the trouble to raise them.
That monolog should be made a commercial.
Yes, thank you. -Also for "everyone fails at what they are suppost to be."
An interesting thing to note is that Thor giving Valkyrie the throne at the end of end game actually marks him as a wise ruler and worthy of the throne. He is not a statesman, he is not a diplomat, he is not an engineer (or the Asgardian equivalent.) or any other professional or knowledgeable individual who will promote the growth or evade the stagnation of his kingdom/country.
He is not a peace time ruler, he is a warrior king.
When war is over his place is no longer on the throne and Thor is a good one not just because of his charisma and martial prowess but because he knows to give it up in times of peace. He put the right person into power which marks him as a wise king, delegation of work to the correct people is wise.
Among some Native American tribes there was a war chief and a peace chief. I think they understood that at different times you need different types of leadership and one person is not adapt at providing both.
@@tammyburnett3881 that is so smart.
@Aislee Love Greenwood I disagree, a leader should fit the situation and very few leaders in history have been good at all parts of states craft. Most warriors make terrible peace time leaders and vice versa is a great example but it goes beyond that. If your infrastructure needs reworking a law maker might be useless or even detrimental as a leader.
Thor is a perfect war time leader i.e. a classic "Heroic King".
I like that
Lol if her performance in Love and Thunder and Ragnarok is to go anything by, Valkyrie is an even more horrible "king" (QUEEN). She doesn't really care about the job. It bores her. I don't know why she was great at it in the 5 year timeskip but she seems like she'd rather be anywhere else--which lines up perfectly with her character from Ragnarok as she LITERALLY abandons Asgard and tells Thor screw 'em.
Thor on the other hand have always had Asgard's best interests at heart. Marvel just wanted him to hand his crown to someone else for some inexplicable reason.
I was Thor for Halloween one year when I was in the depths of my depression and at the heaviest weight I've ever been. The point where I recreated the "I'm still worthy scene" was a turning point for me. November 1st is when I asked for help. Thor is very special to me and this arc has helped me so much.
Thank you for sharing your journey! ❤️
Everytime I watch "I'm still worthy" scene, I tear up. Having depression, I struggle with what I deserve and just seeing that, gives me a little hope. And a little sad cuz I don't have a magic object to let me know lol.
Thor's whole story line is the one I can relate to the absolute most. I can't say anymore without getting too into my feelings, but thank you for this. And thank you Marvel for Thor!
what i struggle with is believing that all people have intrinsic worth and value while constantly being told i'm not good enough by everyone else. it's really hard to continue to believe you have worth when the world keeps telling you otherwise.
The other day someone very important to me said she sometimes feels like she doesn't have value. It was hard to hear. But I know she does. I told her so. Everyone has value. Sometimes you just can't see it.
@@dietotaku I see exactly what you're saying. But I can say, you have value because you replied to a strangers post and offered connection and I appreciate it. I value you.
@@bookmasterharry4432 keep it up. We all don't hear it enough. You have value. You have worth.
@@dietotaku I hear you. If I might share my beliefs, you can take that for whatever it's worth to you. I believe that I am a child of God. If God then is a King - indeed the King of Kings - then that makes me a princess, a queen-in-training. If I am that, then everyone is a child of God and is therefore a prince or princess and also in training. I am worth an infinite and incalculable amount. And if I am, so are you. Being in training means that we make mistakes. Some of those mistakes might be making others to feel less than they are, and that's really unfortunate. You are enough. You are glorious. You are worth every effort. I believe this with all my heart. I hope you come to understand your worth and your value. Do shine on. You are beautiful.
That bit with Rocket and Thor has so much more context. Because Rocket knows exactly what Thor is feeling Because he's been down the same road
I love Thor’s journey and how relatable Chris made him be, we’re not Gods nor do we have super powers yet we relate to him and his struggles and we have all been there at one or so many points in our lives. No one could’ve played Thor better than Chris Hemsworth, the entire casting is spot on👌🏽
Wait, I don't have superpowers?
Time to stop jumping off the roof...
The scene with Thor and Frigga, "(You're) just like everyone else." "I'm not supposed to be like everyone else, am I?" That always hits me *HARD*
I grew up being the one in school who was praised up and down by my teachers, given rewards after rewards, being allowed to run errands for them and help in the office, etc. The main reason why? No, I'm not joking when I say this: "Because *name here* is better. She will succeed, not like these...other students..." I was told my whole life that I was better and while I never acted like it, I was never told anything else, nothing ever happened to me to make me think otherwise. Until I was raped and I graduated high school and college, that was when everything changed for me.
I'm in a much better place now and I'm so thankful for you, Internet Dads :3
Honestly I love that from the very beginning Thor and his character arc has been about failure. He fails to be a good son and future ruler. He fails to save his mother and at the time (Dark World) he believed his brother. He fails to save his home. He fails to save his people, his brother (For real that time), his best friend. He fails to stop Thanos at the end of Infinity War. Leading to him having massive amounts depression weighing on him for years. But every time he gets back up he stands tall fights harder and he becomes a better person in the process not just physically but emotionally as well. Thor might be the one of if not the best written characters in the MCU.
I don’t know. It’s not really valiant if you get up just to fail again.
@@Darkloid21 Ever hear the phrase "If at first you don't succeed try again?" Thor's character arc embodies that. He's a character who loses so much in his life. Yet he always gets back up and becomes stronger. Not letting those losses keep him down. Even when it does (Endgame) he overcomes the guilt and pain and suffering learning to be better as a person. If that isn't inspiring I don't know what is.
@@georgethomas4567 It’s also A MOVIE in the superhero genre, of course he would eventually succeed. That’s doesn’t mean anything. It’s not inspiring once you see it’s a trope. If he ended up failing it would make them lose money because no one wants to see that.
There’s if at first you don’t succeed, but there’s also insanity. If you keep failing every time you get up that’s not bravery that’s stupidity. Sometimes the best thing is give up.
@@Darkloid21 If Thor gave up, things would get even worse for everyone.
@@Darkloid21 On the contrary, that's how you BECOME valiant. Anyone worth their salt has failed goodness knows how many times. The secret of success is, more often than not, persistence. The more times you fail, the more times you learn, the stronger you become - until eventually you succeed, just because you didn't give up when someone else might have.
Even failing repeatedly is better than becoming so scared of failure that you never try at all.
When I heard "everybody fails at who they are SUPPOSED to be" it felt like a heavy chain fell off my neck after 65 years of feeling like a failure. I bawled like a baby. Thank you forever guys!
As someone with a disability, I've seen a LOT of my peers do EXACTLY what Thor does to himself. As much as people may have been offended by this, it happens. They've reached their breaking point, but rather than just ending everything in suicide, they slowly destroy themselves and waist away. They just give up. They believe they deserve the pain they're experiencing.
Praying for you! You are loved.
It's quite sad, I'm sure we all know *atleast* one person going through this.
@@emilymayfield8068 Praying for his peers, as well.
@@emilymayfield8068 the effects of prayer have been extensively studied. A _thiest_ lead study found that prayer either has no effect, or a *NEGATIVE* effect depending on whether or not they _know_ theyre being preyed on...erm ahem, prayed for.
They believe its from expectation anxiety.
So the only thing youre doing by commenting that is nothing or _negative._
Hope youre proud of yourself.
@@cdogthehedgehog6923 At least they didn't tear someone down for being "factually incorrect" when that person had nothing but good intentions. The only thing you're doing by commenting is adding negativity to the thread. Hope you're proud of yourself.
Chris Hemsworths acting with Thor's whole arc makes him and Thor my favorite in the whole MCU
Congrats on being so close to 1 million, you guys deserve it more than any channel I know.
It's going to be sweet to visit this comment in a year. Hopefully, the subs surpass 1 million.
Thanks so much! Hopefully any day now!
Omg I didn't even notice till you brought that up! That's awesome
I've been watching it creep up for weeks now. So close, yet so far away.
"I'm still worthy!" is my favorite movie moment of all time. Ever. Every one of us who struggles with insecurities, impostor syndrome, and really just struggles in general, were validated by this scene. And this is why we love Thor. We can relate to this. (Um, I should probably watch this video now...)
The whole "I killed him" scene really shows the difference between logically and emotionally solving a problem. Hence, he did kill him and that logically solved the problem. But here he is still avoiding reality at every turn because that's all killing Thanos did to him. That's also why he keeps repeating it, trying to convince himself that was the answer and 'why is this not working'. Like a computer getting stuck on a load screen.
My take on that scene was always more that he knows killing Thanos did nothing. Thanos had already won because Thor prioritized vengeance over victory. No problems were solved, logically or emotionally, by killing Thanos. It was too late, and he knows it. He clearly had the strength to kill Thanos earlier but he didn't. So when he repeats the point, it's more like he's just trying to convince himself that killing him made a difference even though, ultimately, it did nothing.
Going back to the message of being a failure, Thor's expectations for himself are "strongest avenger", but by failing to kill Thanos the first time, it makes his physical strength meaningless. In repeating the point, he's trying to convince himself that he's still worthy.
I did not expect to get this emotional at rewatching all of Chris’ best Thor scenes. He really is one of the most phenomenal actors I’ve ever seen.
The scene in Ragnarock where Thor electrocutes Loki, at least IMO, is actually a great representation of Thor’s growth up to that point. He goes on about the world changing but Loki wanting to stay the same, and simply in his more laid back and joking attitude to the situation we can see how much he’s been able to change. I certainly couldn’t see the Thor we knew at the start of the first movie talking like that at the time, but by now he’s grown and changed and it feels completely natural. Weird point but one that I find interesting nonetheless
It really is a great moment that follows up on thor and Loki accepting each other as they are in the elevator. Cause thors like okay you're a trickster, I'm not mad you tried to trick me but i am prepared for it.
What makes it better is that that speech may have been what convinced Loki to finally change himself.
The best scene in Endgame, and the one that made me tear up, was the "Avengers Assemble" moment. And it's not because Cap finally said the thing. It's because of Thor's battle cry that he lets out.
He's the first one to scream. He's there and he's ready. He might not be cured of his depression, but today, in this moment, he feels good. And that's a win.
Thor's story in Endgame affected me *deeply* as someone that self-medicated my depression/anxiety with drinking, and gained a lot of weight because of it. When he started having a panic attack and Rocket *slapped* him, I was dismayed to hear laughter in the theater. I'm so grateful they included that scene afterward, where he gets affirmation and closure with his mother, who recognized how upset he was and listened to him.
I'm in a much better place now, and I've lost some weight, but I could never crawl out of my own hole without the help and support of others, who heard me out instead of getting frustrated where and when I stumbled.
It messes me up that it looks like they ADR'd that "and eat a salad" line from Frigga. Like, damn, that's her last words to her son before /dying/.
Imagine you go to a MCU movie, not expecting that a scene from your favorite character is going to have this line that immediately takes you back to your own parent saddling you with disordered thinking about how your body should look right up into their final moments. And then the scene is punctuated by an entire audience laughing at that.
I love so much about this movie and agree that Hemsworth is playing to the pain, not the punchline... which makes it so infuriating how much the movie undercuts it by how most of the other characters behave and the added punch ups in the writing.
I cringe every time I hear folks laugh at the eat a salad line. :x
@@stephanieok5365 To be fair, she was looking at her baby who she had never seen in that state before. She addressed all of the deeper issues before mentioning his physical health. She was just being a mom. This wasn't a man who struggled with his weight his whole life. He was always very confident, sometimes too much so. She just wanted to get him back on track. 🤷🏼♀️
To be fair; Rocket has always been presented in the MCU as being an insensitive asshole. Just because the film shows him tossing insults and slapping Thor, doesn’t mean the writers are advocating for that approach when someone needs help. In fact, the film makes it clear that that doesn’t work, and it’s the loving wisdom from his mom that actually turns him onto a better path.
"I'm not saying standards are bad, but the standards should be set by *you* as you are marching toward who you want to be."
JONO DUDE I LITERALLY HAD CHILLS
reminded me of Iroh to Zuko
"Is it your own destiny, or is it a destiny someone else has imposed on you?"
@@johnwalker1058 Similarly, in a more intense scene: "WHO ARE YOU? AND WHAT DO _YOU_ WANT?"
I love Rocket because as much of a *ss as he acts, he's gone through what Thor went through(emotionally speaking), and saw others go through it. He understands and he doesn't judge. And thats why he's such a good character. That's why he's the one who's able to convince Thor to come back in Endgame. He knew what he needed and gave it to him.
I love that Stormbreaker had become a bottle opener. I thought that was a perfect instant indicator of Thor's current emotional/mental state.
Chris Hemsworth and Robert Downy Jr played the role for their characters for so long because they're such phenomenal actors.
I think keeping his new body for the whole movie was also really important to keeping the tone kind - otherwise it would very easy to fall into "we're just making fun of fat people" territory. Showing that he's just as worthy of acceptance, just as worthy of love, and just as good of a hero no matter what his body looks like was so important to prevent it from feeling mean spirited.
I love how you brought out the substance use being self-medication for trauma and pain. I’m an addiction nurse, and having this conversation with heroin addicts is so helpful. When I start talking to them about why they started using drugs, I offer them exactly that: No one wakes up in the morning and decides “hey, I think I’m gonna try heroin today.” That’s not what happens. What happens is people are in some kind of pain: mental, physical, spiritual, psychological, or a combination. In the short term, drugs work. You can ignore the pain. Unfortunately, eventually, your life gets destroyed. That’s what we’re trying to fix now. It’s great because they can relate and understand that they need psychological counseling on addition to drug and alcohol counseling. Thanks for bringing this up.
"I didn't achieve some of the things I wanted to; I am still worthy." Was something I really needed to hear.
In addition, hearing the OST from Hereditary spurred me to absolutely suggest looking at Hereditary, maybe for a Halloween special? There are so many themes of grief, loss, generational trauma and mental illness in that movie.
People talk about Ragnarok revitalizing Thor’s character with humor, and in turn complain about Endgame and Love & Thunder making him “too much of a buffoon,” but every film since Ragnarok is astonishingly consistent with how Thor’s humor covers a deep, crushing well of sadness that he can only resolve slowly and incrementally.
Which is why Love and Thunder should've dealt with that by being a more serious film, Thor was trying to recreate himself and the movie did nothing but poke jokes at his expense throughout, it's terrible, Chris makes it work but narratively it's a mess on his character
I don't blame Love and Thunder for trying to be funny; I blame it for failing to be funny. In comparison to the MCU's other goofball movies (GotG Vol 2, Antman and the Wasp, Ragnarök . . .) almost none of the jokes stuck. For all of its attempts at humor, I only laughed like twice throughout the film.
@@ninjanibba4259 …which jokes in Ragnarok are actually “at Thor’s expense”? I can think of maybe a handful, but I feel that movie’s pretty consistent with how Ragnarok and Endgame treat the character, and more importantly how the character treats himself.
@@ThePonderer uh no, him acting like an idiot not knowing what to do most of the time especially when children are in danger and a guy that kill gods, that’s not Thor
In 3 he was out of place of his element but he was constantly moving and leading the team, he even got Loki to work with him, that excluded a high level of confidence in that film, Endgame had him depressed but he still got things done, especially after his talk with Frigga, and of course the ending fight, that suggests that he would be better enough to not only find himself once more but to know the value of losing life of any means, that means that he wouldn’t be bumbling around half the time worrying about a relationship that failed and should be hyper focused on the mission at hand, the Jane stuff could’ve been a secondary plot that was taken seriously too but even she had to make jokes when that’s not her character
Taika took everything that worked with Thor and regressed him to a joke, no stakes, talking like an idiot and getting beat around when he took on Thanos even in his fat state….he’s been ruined and someone else as a director is gonna have to fix him
@@ninjanibba4259 I disagree
I love you guys and will continue watching. But Noom??? Really?? I recommend Licensed Therapist Mickey Atkins video on Noom. It’s not for everyone.
Yes, a sponsored ad for Noom is not a good choice, gentlemen. I am hopeful that you didn't mean to offend, but we can all agree, I hope, that obesity is a much more complicated issue than merely "eating one's feelings." What would you say to someone who believes that you two are also implicitly buying into the "Fat Thor" joke--so you feel that the "eat a salad" line falls flat, but you start your video with a diet app? Come now, you are both better than that, right? I still enjoy your videos, and I invite you to take a nuanced look at your choice of ad.
The bit where Rocket is rattling off people Thor would still have, it reminds me so much of the scene in Men in Tights when Robin returns home and Blinkin tells him about how his family died one by one.
Yeah I remembred that as well :-D
"my goldfish goldie?"
"eaten by the cat."
"...ᵐʸ ᶜᵃᵗ?"
"choked on the goldfish."
PRICELESS
Ha, glad I'm not the only one who thought of this scene in Robin Hood: Men In Tights!
Same!! “My gold fish Goldie?”
This hits so hard. I spent most of my life feeling completely worthless, it was my Core Belief, but through a huge amount of work and effort on my part, and support and guidance on my counselor's part, I am creating a new Core Belief which is "I am good enough". The joy on Thor's face and realising he is still worthy really gets me and it completely mirrors my own feelings every time I rate my new Core Belief that little bit higher!
Currently going through a personal realization of “I’m not going to be who I’m ‘supposed’ to be” and it’s been coming on for a few months. I’m emotionally vulnerable today and this hit hard. Thanks internet uncles (the supportive and non creepy kind). I think I needed this.
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My husband and so just rewatched this a few nights ago. The emotions that go thru Chris Hemsworth's face and overall body language when Hulk says "Thanos" is so wrenching. He's such a good actor. I'm going to miss him as Thor.
Aside from love and thunder thors journey has always been consistent he always remains humble and not the arrogant God he started off as. He's smart and funny throughout the franchise the Russo brothers even gave him a real big push in infinity war and endgame where he became even more relatable with his failures he's a good that constantly doubts himself but yet he manages to bounce back and fight for his loved ones.
*including* love & thunder. the whole point of that story is gorr believing that all gods are selfish arrogant twats so they must all die and thor demonstrating how selfless and compassionate and humble gods can be.
@@dietotaku you right you right.
Love and Thunder puzzles me. I felt like Thor regressed and had to grow up Again, but we weren’t given a good reason about “why now.” He was in a better state of mind at the close of End Game.
I’d like to hear other opinions and insights though.
@@lisa_wistfulone7957 probably has to do with the two steps forward, one step back that they mentioned in this episode. The way I see it is Thor finally got over his main issues in Love and Thunder but then realised he had no real purpose in life anymore. At first, he focused on being a warrior. Then, he focused on getting revenge on Thanos and dealing with his losses. But once he achieved both, he lost his purpose. Thor was in a better state emotionally and mentally and had beaten Thanos. But he had nothing else. Which is what Love and Thunder focused on.
I actually disagree slightly, in that I think Thor in Infinity War was a little bit arrogant - he was 100% confident that he was going to be the one to kill Thanos. The way I read it (and I concede that it's open to interpretation) is that he truly believed that after everything he went through, killing Thanos was his destiny. He could have killed Thanos immediately ("You should have gone for the head") but in his arrogance he wanted to confront Thanos one last time because he wanted to savor his moment of victory ("I told you...you'd die for that!"). I say this not to criticize him - he is probably my favorite character - but I think his overconfidence in Infinity War makes his story all the more tragic and fascinating.
Just heard the news about Chris and Alzheimer's. He is undoubtedly the best MCU actor worthy of wielding Mjolnir. My heart goes out to him
I never identified with a character as much as Thor in End Game. I never lost anyone to war or battle, but I lost my father before I had turned 10, at 12 my best friend was murdered, and between then and now (just about to turn 30) I stopped keeping count of how many people in my life have died of various causes. They just pop up in my thoughts when something reminds me of them, and I miss all of them terribly. And for the longest time I had tremendous guilt, like it was my fault that they were gone, even though I knew in my heart there was nothing that I could have done. I was finally seeing a therapist about it when End Game came out, and man I cried while Thor was talking to his mom. And when he had his "I'm still worthy" moment- let's just say I embarrassed myself and everyone I was with at the theatre. It was pretty hard to control my emotions lol but I am pretty sure I wasn't the only one flooding the seats. I wouldn't say this movie made me realize I don't need to feel guilty for being alive, but it probably helped me begin to let go of 20+ years of grief.
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Oh you beautiful human! You are such a strong and amazing person. I'm sorry that you had to carry all that. And I'm so glad you've been able to start letting go of your grief and heal. All the best!
Hey, I just want to tell you that never be embarrassed about your emotions. Those make us humans.
Just reading your story made me have goosebumps even though I don't know you or met you ever. I can assure you you did nothing embarrassing and I'm happy for you for you had that catharsis. I did too. hugs ♥
I didn’t expect this episode to make me cry, and here I am a puddle of tears!
I’ve recently made a huge shift in how I look at myself, my self worth and my accomplishments in life. I feel the change and it’s beautiful.
"You are already enough"
I love that message. Thank you both for everything you bring with this channel, with the mental health support and analysis AND the great film notes and highlights. 💕
9:04 "So we just kind of implode and just rely on unnhealthy coping" *what, like... binging RUclips videos all day?*
Hey, if it's our videos it's not unhealthy. I mean, I'm biased, but...
I deeply underestimated how brilliant an actor Chris Hemsworth is and and how relatable Thor is. Thanks again Cinema Therapy for the amazing video and content. Can you please react to the Kung Fu Panda trilogy please??? 🥺🙏
They responded in another comment that they are working on a video for it :)
@@tyrantravealpha I saw the comment. Thanks 👌😉
I love this character arc so much, thanks for covering it. I'm still going through a similar process and it's great to hear that I'm not alone. Everyone fails, that's life, and I've not always embraced that. I take inspiration from the fact that we can change, we can take paths we didn't see coming and that's a good thing. I always wanted to be an academic and because of depression/anxiety and some poor choices on my part I failed. Now I work as a home inspector and while it's not where I want to spend the rest of my career it's helping me to make progress on where I want to be in my life. I hope to be able to get back to college soon and continue that dream, but whether I do or not doesn't determine my worth. Thanks again for this video and keep up the good content guys, you do amazing work.
"Fat Thor" is the most epic validation of so many of us who have all but given up after so much trauma. Yet..."still worthy". Something those of us who have been in that place, where we just don't see any reason to go on and feel we deserve what we suffer, just don't see.
I think, something that would speak to Thor is a piece of dialog from end of Season 1 of Final Space.
During, very emotional, scene protagonist Gary asks "what if my best is not good enough?" The response he hears is "Its good enough for me". He hears it from. His father and his gf.
You should check out the movie:
The Emperor's New Groove.
The humor in this film was ahead of its time. You can make a video about the narcissism of the main character.
I didn't know how much I needed this until I read your comment.
Omg yes! Such an underrated movie
This is such a great idea!!! :)
Agreed
List of Loses for Ol Thor'y Boy.
-Thor 1: His Hammer, The Ability to See his new Lady Love, His Brother I
-Avengers: Getting his shit kicked, being made to look a fool, and a momentary lose of Mjolnir, Finding out Loki is alive and trying to become a Tyrant
-Thor 2: His Mother, His Brother II, Nearly lost his lady love to an Infinity Jizz stain
-Thor 3: His Father, His Best Friends, His People, Being Enslaved, Getting his shit kicked by a meek scientist who went to the gym, Asgard itself, his fucking EYE!, his Sister, being humailiated as a bloody save (but he got Korg so... smal victories)
-Avengers Infinity War: His Brother III, Hiemdall, A HUGE chunk of remaining Asgardians, Half his new Friends, Hallf his old friends, oh and HALF OF ALL Living Sentients cause he hit the wrong body part.
-Avengers Endgame: well....... I mean
-Thor 4: His Hammer, His Girlfriend, His Hero, His new Crew, Nearly his best Friends, & all that remained of his pride
....... why is ALL of Thor's stories marked by Loss... which all happened in the span of like..... 10 years. For someone that old this'd be the Equivilant of Your entire life falling apart in the span of like... 3-4 days
I love how chris Hemsworth to "troll starlord" as thor...just plays up his experience as an older( "oh of course your in charge! ...of course") and little brother (slowly blocking starlords view of his team)
The "I'm still worthy" moment has always lived rent free in my mind as an iconically cathartic moment ❤
I absolutely love how the MCU in general, but especially with Thor's story, portrays mental pain, PTSD, psychological crisis and growth, without explicitly talking about it. The joke about Fat Thor is on the surface, but the Thor in Anguish is right underneath and it's so relatable to so many people. Thor himself is trying to use humor as a deflection tool about his pain and it's not really fooling anyone important. Even his gamer friends, they know what this is, but they care about him so they are there to protect him as best as they can figure out how.
I saw Infinity Wars before I saw Ragnarok and while it wasn't a major issue, SO many things made so much more sense after I saw it. I didn't understand what was up with Hulk, for one thing, but seeing the incredible heights that Thor's ego had traveled to and WON in Ragnarok, made his massive overconfidence in IW (even after major losses and setbacks) feel true to the character, and it absolutely was the appropriate setup for the crash we see in Endgame, and the recovery to a different, humbler self, going forward (note I have not seen Love & Thunder yet so no spoilers please!) and I am really looking forward to where his journey goes from here.
In 17:58 I personally love how the moment turned out. Couldn't have been done in any other way.
Sure the song was to signal the transition to the next scene but if you look at it another way, the song was Come and Get Your Love playing the exact moment Thor realises despite everything he is still worthy. So the song sorta symbolises him ready to love himself again. Telling those who also feel the same way to "come and get your love," your still worthy for love.
And the comedy was also the icing on the cake cause when they first came it the tone was really solemn but the comedy reinforces the joyous feeling and brighter mood Thor was in the moment Mjolnir flew to him.
If it was super dramatic, DC style it t wouldn't have worked out as well.
There's a time and place for both styles but everything about the "I'm still worthy" scene is just beautiful for these reasons.
Thor’s breaking point was realizing that all of the loss he described going through is what trillions of people across the universe are now facing all at once, and Thor’s feeling all of the blame for that
I struggle a lot with self worth and honestly when I watched this movie at release, I didn't even catch all of this. I go to movies to escape reality (all movies I only notice superficial things. Set, costumes etc), so with most Marvel movies I think "fast, moving colours, haha funny, oh no sad death. (hopefully) Triumphant end!!!!!". I associate worth with productivity, and if I'm not *the most* productive at work (retail), or a productive consumer (byproduct of working retail?) then I usually spend my free time sleeping or dwelling in negative feelings. Being able to accept that I'm worthy for just existing will be a challenge. But for my own well being, I want to overcome that challenge and feel worthy 😌
21:50 “We tie worthiness to behavior instead of tying worthiness to existence.” I’ve struggled with this for so long bc of the system we live in. So much of the time our worth is based on what we do for a living, how much we make, how “successful” we are, how productive we are. And even though I instinctively know this not to be true, it’s hard not to get bogged down in this belief when this is the message society sends out. I’ve always begged of myself, why can’t I have worth just for being a human being?
We cannot even begin to count our worth. We are infinite and glorious. That's you too.
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As a fat person I don't think the film makers made a joke of the weight gain. The snarkiest characters make remarks but those are in character.
The film itself, and certainly Chris H. treat his weight gain and drinking with empathy.
Agreed. I've seen some complaints about Thor 'being turned into a joke', and most of them feel unpleasantly like the logic behind that is: he's fat now, that means he's a joke now.
Maybe it's also that there _are_ jokes, but that's Joss Whedon. He loves to turn on a dime between horror, jokes, suspense, tragic and jokes again. That doesn't diminish the message.
He did a funny torture episode, but he didn't make fun of the victims of torture.
@@Julia-lk8jn What makes him a joke is that after the deaths of most of his friends and family they have him playing Fortnite. Feels like they mocked him for some quick product placement.
thor and tony had the best character arcs in the mcu and nobody can change my mind
edit: now that ive watched the new thor movie, i might take it back...
Steve had the same character arc just in the reverse of Tony.
Nebula and Rocket too
Absolutely, especially about Tony. I went from actually disliking him at the beginning of the MCU to sobbing at his death in Endgame. Greatest example of character growth and development in Cinema history, in my opinion.
Now that guardians of the galaxy 3 is out you should do phycology of a hero: Rocket, because we love to see Alan cry 😁
This is amazing! "You're going to fail at who you're going to supposed to be. Success is being who you are." - Dr. Decker. I needed that!
I see more of myself in Thor more than any other avenger. Iron man was always my favorite growing up, but now more than ever in my life I feel more attached to Thor as a character because he embodies what a person is, how they confront failure, how it can negatively affect them, outlets they use to suppress that feeling, and how they overcome it.
I’d love to see hero/villain psychology on Eren from attack on titan I think it’ll be interesting & I’m curious to see what’s their take on it
Edit: please don’t write any spoilers! Also if you never watched the anime or read the manga don’t read the comments
Holy cow, yes!
I second this!
I third this!
Eren’s the bad guy?
@@ShockingPikachu ehhh, its undecided honestly, right now in the anime hes a bit of a hero who's fallen to far into the extremes of his beliefs.... So yes basically villain but hero in his eyes
For Love and Thunder to have come out so close to this and not be covered kinda makes me sad, hopefully we will get it covered
I just want to say, "Thank you." You two are a part of my life that I need. That I enjoy. That I deal with trauma. Thank you.
God bless Chris Hemsworth for insisting on keeping the weight gain through the whole movie.
"I'm Still Worthy" is just such a good scene. Thor has every reason to believe he's lost what made him worthy through a series of failures. He's lost everyone and failed to stop Thanos. The ONLY misstep in Endgame with him is the necessity of giving him Stormbreaker. Ragnarok had beat us over the head of him not needing his hammer anymore, but Infinity War forced it back on him again. Love and Thunder then took this, in my opinion, failure and just made sure you know Thor can't function without his security hammer.
The hammer is iconic to Thor, but also they need merchandise opportunities and giving him back the hammer had almost ZERO to do with character development.
Stormbreaker, while not necessarily the best for the narrative of "he doesn't need the hammer to use his powers," does make a bit of sense given he he is going to war. He can use his powers without the hammer, sure, but he has a huge amount of experience fighting with a hammer or similar weapon. It's a tool, and doesn't need to be anything else, but he's still more effective with one than without. Now, I haven't seen Love and Thunder, so I can't comment on that movie, so if you feel like replying, could you elaborate on the apparent reliance on the axe?
@@Alpha_Synergy not really the spoiler but love triangle in LaT is Thor Sormbreaker and Hammer. I think he's using his weapons ok. It's no surprise he would want his hammer again considering he spent baiscly all his life with it
That 'I'm still worthy' line didn't hit me once while watching the movie - but it's hitting me now. Oh, gosh. Your identity isn't made by your body, your mistakes, your shame - you're worthy, not because you earned it through mighty deeds, but because you're worth it.
Can you review the psychology of the characters in “Wolfwalkers” like how children respond to oppressive environments,
The comments at 24:02 really struck home for me. I've struggled with severe depression and anxiety for decades. (I'm in my 40s.) It's made it impossible for me to live a "normal" life, go to work, etc. After living under this heavy burden for so long, I was finally diagnosed with PCOS and PMDD a couple months ago. My doctor put me on a hormonal birth control (Yaz) and it has absolutely changed my life.
It feels like my depression and anxiety completely vanished overnight. Suddenly I am scoring a zero on the depression/anxiety tests. Everything about how I feel about myself has changed. I'm considering what kind of work I might be able to do. I'm getting my sleep schedule back on track. Just...so much has changed about my life, that it's almost overwhelming.
At the same time, I still struggle with overeating, an addiction to gaming, and other issues. But these are all habits that came out of that deep depression, coping mechanisms to escape from reality or deal with feeling dead inside, while at other times feeling intense emotions I couldn't cope with in a healthy way.
Your comments helped me realize that just because I'm suddenly feeling dramatically better, does not mean that everything in my life is going to change overnight. I'm now trying to be more self conscious of what I'm eating. (I've lost 14 lbs since my last appointment, when I was put on birth control.) I'm trying to work on doing things I need to be doing. It's a real struggle for me, but that doesn't change the fact that things are so much better in my life, now. It will take time for me to "recover" from decades of depression, and the toll it has had on me. But at least I'm now in a place where I can start working on all those things, and improving my life.
Same path here
We can do it my friend
Chris Hemsworth's performance during his chat with Rocket is the epitome of how Allen says an actors' face is the greatest tool for filmmaking
Can you guys do 10 Thing I Hate About You, please?
Thor has, in my opinion, had the best character arc in not just Infinity War and Endgame but in the movies overall.
I would have liked a few of the Avengers to have been more understanding but still terrific treatment of these issues overall. And a damn sight more than usual in film.
This channel has really changed me for the better. I’m so grateful I stumbled over here. You two are changing lives.
I love your dynamic, your friendship, and your mutual respect for each other in general. Not only are you teaching great lessons through movies we love, but you’re modeling great friendship as well
Thor was absolutely my favorite growing up and now I get to find more reasons to like him
I'm definitely not a gym rat, but I did lose 200 pounds over 3 years, and I struggle to keep my weight under control. I gained 50 pounds back and lost 40 of it, but I should really be 30 pounds or so lighter than I am now. So yeah, it's a huge struggle and I'm so glad they didn't just make Thor magically buff again.
This video was amazing as always. I learned a lot and I'm really grateful for that, so thank you very much for covering this character. Also, I have a tiny, teeny suggestion for you guys. I don't know if you already heard of the "Outlander" series, but I do think you'll have a great time watching it and analysing it, especially Claire and Jaime's characters and dynamic. (The directing is also absolutely amazing Alan).
Please do Outlander 🥰
The one problem is I miss Thor and Loki and the last thing Loki said is made significant if we never get to see them together again.
In my opinion they are the two best actors and characters in MCU.
I love your videos, but I really hate that you're sponsored by Noom. Diet culture is vicious and coming to a channel about mental health I'd hope to avoid in-video ads for apps trying to sell you weight loss. I would have thought you'd be recommending going to the doctor not an app. Please consider dropping them. :(
One of the reasons we work with Noom is it's NOT a weight loss app. It's a healthy mindset app. For some people, weight loss is the result. But for a lot of people, weight stays the same, they're just eating more mindfully. Proven psychology throughout, it's actually a pretty stellar program. (and this coming from a guy with pretty serious body-image issue. Hi, I'm Alan and I need therapy!)
@@CinemaTherapyShow While I don’t have a problem with the Noom app itself (most know what it is for when they download it), I do have a problem with how their Mood app works (at least as of a few months ago). Their Mood app is marketed as being more for the depression/anxiety group, but as of a few months ago was trying to push their diet on that app through features that you were pressured to use and could not be turned off or hidden regardless of potentially triggering side effects. I know Mickey Atkins has a video going into her experience with the app if you are interested in a firsthand account as I’ve never used either of their apps (nor do I ever plan to). Do NOT take this as me trying to tell you who to accept sponsorships from as I don’t think that anyone in the audience should be able to tell you that; my reason for replying here rather than starting my own comment thread is to keep the Noom discussion contained to as few comment threads as possible as that is not what the video was about.
Could you please please please react someday to Outlander?（*＾-＾*） It has incredible good character building and a very interesting relationship between the protagonists. Also a lot of drama..PTSD, Trauma.. It would be great to hear your opinion on the topics of this show. (sry, my english writing skills are not the best😅)
I am torn on the "fat thor" issue. I appreciate the realism of weight gain through depression but using weight gain as shorthand for mental breakdown is complicated.
I’m proud of Chris for fighting for it vs “and now he’s thin again!!” + whatever the hell they did with Hawkeye’s Maladaption -and killing of Nat…after they already brutalized Gamora to death…and just kept torturing Nebula…-
So…at least Thor didn’t randomly start murdering people in woobified toxic masculinity for Grief ig?? But yeah. The directors just constantly framing Thor as Pathetic because of his weight gain and mental breakdown just…kinda undercut a lot of what Chris fought for
I think enough people can relate that a shorthand is all right. Depression is complicated, and eating our emotions is common.
I would say it is complicated because Thor is genuinely supposed to be represented as a big _and_ big bellied happy fellow with red hair. So I guess it was also a tribute to the mythology but yeahhh, thin ice, to equate mental issues with body type or size
Oh friends, I"m so sad to see you endorsing Noom. I gave it a trial and they tried to put me on 1,200 calories a day. When I expressed to my "coach" that I had a history of eating disorders and was worried about how to restrict without sliding back into unhealthy mental and physical places, I was told that they don't have any procedures in place to help people like me. (You'd think the psychology-based one would have SOME awareness of these issues?)
Thanks so much for addressing these issues, you guys. Someone else commented on weight gain being shorthand for depression: remember that 5 YEARS passed between IW & EG, and when you lose your purpose, you let go of everything that served that purpose. On someone like Thor, who was all muscle, letting go of his routines meant losing muscle mass really fast and it converted to the obesity, which adds to the depression because the journey back to fitness just gets longer, and it cycles and spirals until… well you see what I mean right there on the screen.
I will say, I feel just a little robbed of seeing Alan cry in this one. Does he cry in the directors cut? I should probably join cinema theory heroes and find out!!
I almost passed on watching this video. I really, really don't like these superhero movies. At all. But I'm glad I watched this. Well done, gentlemen!
I really feel like Marvel did Thor dirty. He wasn't ever STUPID he was just arrogant which can cause people to make stupid choices. Thor's arc in the first film is about learning how to overcome failure, how to be humble about being a ruler. Dark World was about family reconciling. Ragnarok was about learning how to overcome loss of your home. Infinity War was about familial loss. Endgame was about overcoming despair, and then they just make him an idiot in Love and Thunder. I'm sorry but how can you look at Thor in LAT and find anything inspirational in that character?
It's like they don't know what to do with him anymore, so they keep having him go in circles.
Not to mention his _What If…?_ episode. Character assassination on just about everyone in the main cast.
I think Thor is a ‘goofball’ in that movie not an idiot, and there is a difference; the goofyness of the Guardians has rubbed off on him and he has used it to ‘belong’ somewhere.
I think Thor LAT is a story of love, Gorr’s idea is that no god can ever love anyone but themselves, and Thor shows him that they can, he shows that he loves Jane, his friends, the children and helping others. And he certainly has suffered yet again, but he gains something in the end: Love.
@@alansandoval1705 I also found the movie to be about dealing with loss, and everything that Thor went through means he's the only character that deals with it well. Valkyrie, Jane and Gorr are all dealing with it in different self-destructive ways but when Thor learns the spoiler, he accepts it and embraces the time he has left.
Please, please, please do an analysis of Dr. Strange‘s story and the looooooong painful healing arc of avoidant attachment. The moment at the end of Multiverse, when, finally, after all the distractions and deflections and the workaholism and the narcissism and the addictions ….. he finally is able to drop in, for just a moment, and really feel what is at the core of all his elaborate defenses - and then is able to say to her „it‘s just … I get scared.“ in this honest, small way, no drama, no exaggerations, no self-pity - and she just acknowledges it so warmly, just hears him, doesn’t try to fix him, doesn’t try to console him „Yeah.“ - I was bawling my eyes out. I really did, and I was in the cinema with my son. What an astounding, wondrous, powerful scene. These writers did have deep, deep insight.
„Face your fears, Dr. Strange.“
I got to say, the I'm still worthy scene hits me exactly how it is. Because it is extremely relatable to depression, or at least my struggle with depression. Because to him it's the greatest moment to find out that he's not the failure that he's been telling himself he is the whole time, and it's the greatest possible reward to be allowed to stand back in his place. But to everyone else, he's just back. He's himself again. And it's one of the best ways, for me at least, to be welcomed back. Not to have my friends say that was a really dark place and you conquered it, or to have them throw me a party for being myself again, because that would make it uncomfortable. That would bring the guilt back as I realized what I put them through. But to have them roll their eyes in that loving way, and just have them sat you're back, it's good to see you again. That's what makes the depression dissolve, the normalcy.
It's true. Normalcy is very healing
Like Thor, I just lost my father. My mother, my sister, my brother have all passed throughout the years too.
I am the only one left. It is overwhelming at times that I am alone and don't have a home anymore. Sometimes I wish I could speak with my Dad and ask him if I'm enough.
I love Endgame Thor so so much. Endgame released right when I was in the middle of a terrible depression after getting out of a toxic and abusive relationship with a narcissist. Right away, I was able to relate to Thor, but what really got me was the "I'm still worthy" moment. I remember thinking to myself in the theater that I am worth of love even if I'm depressed and that clicked with something inside of me. In a small way, it also did help me start to improve my life. I'm still struggling just because of how bad the abuse was, but I'll never forget how Marvel, of all things, gave me the boost I needed.