Glad you are doing your thing. Gongfu never looks as good as it does in basic practice. People don't bridge their style to free combat and then criticize real fighters.
Where would RUclips be without the trolls? Amateur or professional, TJQ in the cage is a rarity so it was great to hear your personal breakdown. Keep up the good work!
I Love how you ask the question "Why the separation?". Yes, Tai Chi is a spiritual/Taoist & meditative art, but In ancient times it is ALSO a BATTLEFIELD art. And like you said, it's not just the form, breathing, Chi Gung & Push Hands. It's sparring, pressure testing, the San Da/San Shou and combat. It only begins to live up to its name (Supreme Ultimate) when ALL aspects are included. Great video & Thank you
From a long term Tai Chi Chuan practitioner......well said and well done for sharing a more realistic view of Tai Chi Chuan used outside of a school / club dynamic where there is no compliance from a training partner.
I love what you are doing showing practical uses of Tai Chi Chuan. Keep doing what you are doing. You gain a subscriber ofcourse. I do Chen style and Yang style Tai Chi Chuan as well as train BJJ and MMA. I would like to know what style of Tai Chi Chuan do you do?
I was punching with weights for three three minute rounds, with one minute rest in between, before my fights. I’ve somehow managed to lose my hand weights which I’m pretty gutted about as they’re nearly 30 years old. I think it definitely helps with that kind of loose power. I’m not sure it has any real advantage over hitting pads, in fact, I’d say from a power development side, pads probably work better, if I’m absolutely honest but it’s a great conditioning exercise at the very least
Did you ever do the twenty minutes as Dan recommended? I’ve done it infrequently, but found building up to that amount of time over a few weeks played merry hell with my elbows! My current efforts are up to five minutes with four pound weights. Hoping that if i build up slowly and concentrate on quality rather quantity my elbows might not succumb! Well done for what you are doing BTW, its good to hear and see👍
@@davidgiles5503 I used to back in the 90’s back when I had time in abundance 😂I always found it was my founders that went first. Doing the variations definitely helped
@@davidgiles5503 I still remember it hurting so much. Your arms would start to droop and then Dan would stand in front of you with his hands outstretched for you to punch. Like something out of drunken master or snake in the eagles shadow 😂
Excellent video Sir. Tai Chi Chuan is The Grand Ultimate Fist. I teach Tai Chi principles to my Kickboxers because they work. I love your honesty. Respect.
Across the Mersey. I’m from Liverpool, originally, but I’ve lived in Norfolk most of my life. I’ll have to visit your class sometime and maybe I could do some filming/interviews
Because i'm not heavily involved in the chinese martial arts, what is the deal with this mizner character? Is he like a george dillman type? And kudos for going into the ring :)
He’s definitely heading that way. I even had a former associate telling me he thinks he’ll end up being able to perform no touch knock outs. I think he’s a guy that became the poster boy for tai chi chaun and has just chased his audience ever since. The more ludicrous his videos became, the more views they got
There was a video (I’ll see if o can find the link) where it calls the type of practice of convincing students that it works ‘grooming’ and gives an example of how it works. Have to say I agree
I echo Steve (below) that with more real engagements like this, Taichi can progress beyond the illusion that pushing hands is the end all standard for the training. With queries such as this there’s a real chance that for its many benefits, peng Jing, hua na fa, not to mention JI Power Pressing alone, can also be recognized for their danger of leading one astray. In this respect, its no mystery why 4th generation eldest son of Yang Cheng Fu, Yang Sau Chung, who embodied Taichi’s complete training is not relatable to the mainstream. He is just too real for the modern palate. Seems like that left counter punch might have dislocated his jaw? Congrats Al, for your courage and hard work!
No, my last fight was pre covid and I lost motivation for fighting after that. I’m now nearly 45 and my priorities in life have moved on. I haven’t even attended an mma class since February of this year and it’s doubtful I’ll return. There’s still bjj but I haven’t entered a comp since I was a blue belt and I don’t consider those comps to be fights.
Respect, the average MMA person is indeed a nightmare for the average traditional artist. We as TMA must accept this and proceed accordingly. Train harder and smarter, take criticism in stride and have fun. Stop the fantasy. Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face.
This was an awesome an insightful video. I hate when people look solely at styles and perfect execution of techniques but not the concepts behind the techniques of said style. Mizner's stuff doesn't work if you look at the concepts behind it. One thing I tell my boxers 'fighting is messy and your technique doesn't matter, if you are not getting hit and you're landing your punches then you are winning' Hope to see more videos like this.
Good on ya and respect for stepping up. F*ck the trolls and the mcmincer fanboys. If you are ever up in the midlands, please get in touch. Would be cool to have a chat and a knockabout.
@@stephenburt302 that’s awesome. Could you email me where you train? brier2002@googlemail.com I’ll ask your coach if he’s happy for guests to train. Might get to punch each other in the face or strangle one another 😂
For me, it’s not about who can win in a fight (I only had three very amateurish mma fights), I just think that people should be able to put what they teach into practice.
Dude, I found this vid very interesting :) I like your laid back presentation, makes a nice change. I also want to see Tai Chi work for real, like in your example but also in a more obvious way. I have thought about it quite a bit and have been thinking lately, part of the reason Tai chi appears to be bullshit is that maybe the original practitioners were just way better at it than as currently exists. I'm not talking to the fajing wizzard stuff but the regular martial side of it. I have seen two dudes on youtube that seem to show it working to an extent, on possibly non compliant opponents, but very little other than that. Maybe I just havn't been looking long enough. I think your example is very good, in that Tai Chi is useful as part of an overall skillset rather than a stand alone system, maybe, I don't know much about it. Clearly the mobility improvement and way it programs your body to move as a coherent unit is useful in any martial situation, it certainly can't hurt to have it in your pocket. Caveat to my comments: The missus is calling me for dinner and I am rushing this. I have been practicing Xingyi which is the same family as Tajiquan and the other one that begins with a B that escapes me right now and have been interested in getting into Tai Chi for a long while (which led me to this vid) but havn't been convinced of it's efficacy sufficiently at this point in time. I'm gonna watch a bunch more of your vids and hopefully it will educate me more and who knows tip the balance for me. Anyway Dinners going cold, cool vid and thank you for making it :)
I would check out "Kevin Lee Tai Chi" I thinks it's closer to what you are after; 2 great videos. If not "Master Wong Tai Chi Applications" is worth a look too.
@indefenceofthetraditionalma I get your sentiment, his videos do suffer from many of the pitfalls of similar channels (not going full speed or full contact/"opponents" don't resist). (edit) I only refer to his application videos, this stuff is not created by him there are plenty of videos of others doing the applications in similar fashion. I think I found something closer to what you were seeking for this video. ruclips.net/video/Cf0VKuUJPMc/видео.htmlsi=68mF96xvPvTY7uDH 4:42 starts a 2 round fight that ended in a forfeit. At the end of each round is a review in 2 additional camera angles; the third angle being a slow cam. Don't ask me why they added punching sound effects. This is Tai Chi (mustached man) vs Tibetan White Crane it was part of a bigger gathering of Chinese martial artists in 1954 Hong Kong. I'll try to find something more contemporary for you in the future but in the meantime I think this vid will give you some idea of it real world use. In Round 2 he looks to be swinging more wildly but it's an attempt to hammer fist his opponents forearms to submission. ------ (edit) After of few hours of looking, I found 1 video that is a contemporary fight ruclips.net/video/qGGA2ge92DU/видео.htmlsi=Qpo0agYCB9J08_FO I've seen other videos of fights over the last few years using Tai Chi but they don't seem to be coming up on search, I keep getting this one against a veteran Muay Thai guy. ___ Gloveless fight between Shaolin and Tai Chi ruclips.net/video/UEOduIYmm64/видео.htmlsi=RVk39ejE1XBrYjjH
That was intelligently defending yourself in a fight. I'll definitely give you that as training working. A lot of other training, and I'm talking self-defence training doesn't teach much in way of learning to intelligently defend yourself from being attacked.
Interesting. I would not say that Taijiquan is sufficient to compete in MMA, but this is true of nearly all traditional martial arts. Taiji provides useful drills and practices for use in MMA, but since push hands is most useful for moving someone out of a space, caged fights limit how it can be applied. I think a different setting might be better to showcase Taiji fighting, but I do respect your efforts.
There’s no way tai chi chaun on its own is sufficient to compete in the cage. As you say, this is the case for every traditional martial art. I would point out that tai chi chaun is so much more than just pushing hands when it comes to fighting, though
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma The same kind of movement also appears in Sanseru (from Goju Ryu), retreating in a circle to a ready position. I think I might experiment in sparring - both sword and hand to hand - to see its effect. I would imagine you have to do it reasonably fast but that the distance and time gained to reset is worth it.
We had a play with this today and agree the same tactic is also used in Xing Yi Monkey and in Irish Shillelagh. Furthermore, a guy I sparred with made this his goto accompanied by a backfist which frequently caught people full on.
Also thinking about the chin thing. Boxers have big gloves to shield their chins. MMA fighters don't. Keeping your head upright and back ( attaching a string to the top of it) makes a lot of sense to create distance.
From a near pure intellectual place (and spiritual in the sense of the results of a life of dedicated meditational and devotional practice), I think your points are all valid. And, the Mizner boys are not communicating well, while the MMA style critics (like Varga) aren’t applying any Tai Chi knowledge or even remote awareness of hundreds of years of records and hardcore combat success, so dismiss them from any regard other than, “Is it working for you in the cage?.” I believe Mizner has successfully acquired the “mystical,” magic side of TCC. I know that the near insane magic is real. It’s just far, far too well documented in too many verifiable places, including especially those of other martial arts, even Japanese sword if all things. It is a magic that too many alternative technique devotees have acquired for me to discredit, after over thirty years of on again off again research. So, my point (and I apologize for not knowing your name, I’ve never seen you in my feed before)… You’re doing well with the aspects of TCC you’re clearly mastering. And, I suspect that if you ignore the trolls who happen to be parasites of Mizner , and nullify their negative consciousness in yourself, you may actually receive Mizner’s profound awareness of a particular sort of being, and maybe your whole life will explode with awareness. As a special byproduct, maybe even explode with even greater combat success. Why not? What do you have to lose? Maybe a dedication to a school of TCC thought that is competing with other schools, even other techniques in an oblique way, excluding their knowledge out of loyalty or chauvinism. I’m subscribing to you now. I won’t be looking at your other communications right this moment, but I’ll be paying attention, and I hope and envision profound success for you, whether in the cage or in your experience of life.
I'm surprised you don't know who Gabriel Varga is though. I don't always agree with his opinions, but he is a very legitimate and experienced kickboxer himself.
Noted in the comments about Nick Osipczak, I was going to attend one of his courses but life got in the way and now it seems like he has a successful business selling CBD and isn't really teaching. I hope you find "sparring" with these fantasy martial artists on here fun and not tiresome because they'll never stop you know, it's a religious belief for them, otherwise they'd have to admit they've wasted a lot of time believing total shit. I said in another of your videos, Tai Chi is a great operating system and your video proves that - the principles of timing, balance, generating power, stepping and staying relaxed meshed with boxing and kickboxing techniques. Nice one
The guy you see there teaching Nick TCC s David Baker. One of the if not the best martial TCC teacher in the U.K. He’s still teaching. If you go to a seminar with Nick, it’s basically material ripped off from Dave. In terms of TCC I don’t think Nick has anything worth paying for.
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma Not when you take a few classes, don’t acknowledge the source then set up locally in direct competition selling the exact same content but now calling it UFC proven. I’m waiting for your video on Nick. Very interested in your take on it.
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma should also be pointed out that Nick (atleast when I was in the same circle as him maybe 8 years ago) thought Mizner was 100% legit, he really thought highly of him, with zero irony.
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma and re the turn. Don’t look it as turning away look at it as recovery, going with the force and continuing round to return the force. Dan taught this as an aspect of 9 palace step.
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma. One was a pair of techniques combating two attackers the other was in dealing with a push/shove. In both you counting as the force directs and return. One used it with tiger embracing head striking as one steps across trapping an arm to take the struck person with you as you turn then kicking the other person. The other was simply turning the straight ouch into a circular motion and return with an elbow or a kick.
The amount of fragile egos in here is shocking. Why so many bitchy comments? I love Tai ji quan. I love martial arts. Can't we just enjoy each others differences and learn what we want? I love practicing tai ji quan. Done it for 25 years. If you're good at what you do you won't feel threatened by people on the Internet calling you out. In fact you won't even really notice then because you'll be busy training and enjoying the fruits of your hard work! Come on, let's be respectful to fellow martial artists whatever they are doing and whatever their level.
You’re trying to score points because your heroes have let you down. I address not just going there in this video ruclips.net/video/QTtkspU-ejQ/видео.htmlsi=eFTQbr4SwbpIUk30 Now, you’ve already watched the video of hme London telling me that I can’t film any interactions at their club. Just accept that these people are snake oils salesmen
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma actually I meant for the Mizner groupies that are vocal from other countries!! BUT that said, a few hundred pounds to for video footage of proving it’s BS is nothing for what it could generate for your channel. Also Ryan Air I flew round Europe on flights for 99p only!!! Some returns were £27.50 so IMO cheap to prove a point with a vacation thrown in also.
Oh Dumber, I'm sorry I'm just now seeing another of your "one man stand-up show". I just thought it couldn't get any funnier... but you surprise me again. First, you should have titled your video "RUclips Troll Responds to Another RUclips Troll" (we all know you're a RUclips troll now receiving a portion of the same thing you're offering). I'm glad you're uploading more videos of your MMA -fights - it'll be something to have fun with friends who understand this stuff. I think that with your next video, instead of refuting the things I wrote to you before, you perfectly prove them - the clumsiness, the lack of coordination, the lack of timing, the absent defense, through which even a much smaller opponent can easily reach your empty head ... And the fact that this rookie, who was charging forward with swinging punches and not looking (and even they were coming in, haha) and finally got tired, so you managed to beat him, does not say that you had some quality fight. The only thing I agree with from what you said is that "you are not a great fighter, not even an average one...". This is obvious, it's good that you are aware of it. In this video in particular, what I like the most is how your pitiful running away with your back to your opponent and your arm thrown back like some girl... suddenly turned out to be the "Taiji Quan principle" and a great skill in "managing the combat distance" . Are you serious!!! Y'know, this is one of your best jokes ever. Please keep uploading more videos of your MMA career with explanations (I don't know what's more fun, the fights or your explanations), and I promise I'll watch and enjoy them. I see that after Benny Hill and along with Roan Atkinson, Great Britain has great potential in you. :) And about the real fights - as I've told you before, I have more than enough. But none were as funny as these. But you have video footage... so you win. Too bad you're not around. We could have filmed something with you. :) So, work on the defense - it's very bad, as I told you before. Get your jab right too - it's slow and clumsy, you lose all your height advantage with such clumsiness. You move on flat feet and let your guard down at any danger. Train more, so you don't keep giving me and my friends reasons to have fun. We want you to make us proud of you. :) And, by the way - Taiji Quan is an absolutely complete and awesome martial art. Which you would have understood a long time ago, if instead of wasting your time in amateur MMA tournaments, you had gathered the courage to meet Mizner live. We have no doubts that Taiji Quan is a martial art - you are the one who has them, so you have to solve your problems and doubts with MMA training. Just a note, nothing personal. Come on, stay healthy, train and don't get offended when people give you constructive criticism. It's for your own good. :) Ah yes, I almost forgot - when you ask your rhetorical questions and then pause and look at the camera (apparently expecting some kind of response from the screen), you are especially funny. As Robert De Niro's character in "Analyze This" would say - "you've got talent!" :)
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma Don't worry, Dumber, I know you won't read it. I wrote it for the other people who will read it. Although, if they understand at least a little about full contact, they see it themselves. But that doesn't stop me from having fun pointing out how funny you are. :) And, by the way, you will read it (ace you haven't read it already). to find out how you exposed yourself again with your next video and comments to it. However, after all our communication you are as clear as day to me. 🤣🤣🤣
@@fudomyoominano one is reading an essay written by a keyboard warrior who’s clearly never been in a real fight. If you had there’s no way you would believe in snake oil salespeople. Instead of offering fictional scenarios of you filming with me, why not go to a local mma gym and film your interactions there. Would love to see it
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma Oh dear, you'd be surprised how many people enjoy reading things written by someone who understands. By the way, some time ago I wrote you specifically what gaps I see in you while you are performing the Taiji Quan form. Anyone who understands will understand for himself how much I understand the subject, judging by my comments. It's the same here - if you really understood at least a little, you'd know how much I understand about real full-contact sparring even just from what I've written for you as remarks. (I hope you differentiate between a real fight and full-contact sparring in competition, if you don't, that's your problem). But neither in the first case nor in this one do you understand anything. Which shows how much you don't understand these things. which is also evident in the way you perform them. In fact, I've been wrong before - I really can't say which you're worse at - Tai Chi Quan or MMA. In both, it is quite far from even the average level. We can do such an experiment - send Gabriel Varga your video, with my comments, and ask him what he thinks about it - whether they are true or not. You have him as an authority, don't you - if you hear the same things from him, maybe you will finally understand. And maybe you won't get knocked out badly in some future tournament. :)
@@fudomyoomina another essay no one will read from a man who’s never had a real fight. You’re just showing that my point using Gabriel Varga is correct. Try watching my video again and maybe you’ll finally get it. There’s a reason why the positive comments I’ve had come from people who’ve actually had fights.
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Glad you are doing your thing. Gongfu never looks as good as it does in basic practice. People don't bridge their style to free combat and then criticize real fighters.
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very impressive...thank you for an honest appraisal of tai chi concepts
Thank you for your kind words and for taking the time to watch 🙏🏻
Where would RUclips be without the trolls?
Amateur or professional, TJQ in the cage is a rarity so it was great to hear your personal breakdown.
Keep up the good work!
I appreciate that!
Hello Charlie
I Love how you ask the question "Why the separation?". Yes, Tai Chi is a spiritual/Taoist & meditative art, but In ancient times it is ALSO a BATTLEFIELD art. And like you said, it's not just the form, breathing, Chi Gung & Push Hands. It's sparring, pressure testing, the San Da/San Shou and combat. It only begins to live up to its name (Supreme Ultimate) when ALL aspects are included. Great video & Thank you
Thank you for the kind words 🙏🏻
From a long term Tai Chi Chuan practitioner......well said and well done for sharing a more realistic view of Tai Chi Chuan used outside of a school / club dynamic where there is no compliance from a training partner.
Thank you very much
So cool that you're applying Tai Chi Chuan to MMA and sharing the results with us--thanks!
Thank you for watching
I love what you are doing showing practical uses of Tai Chi Chuan. Keep doing what you are doing. You gain a subscriber ofcourse. I do Chen style and Yang style Tai Chi Chuan as well as train BJJ and MMA. I would like to know what style of Tai Chi Chuan do you do?
It’s called practical wu dang tai chi chuan. A mix of wu and yang style
Excellent commentary. Adam's take-it-on-the-chin (LITERALLY) fanboys push hands on themselves (know what I mean?)
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I'm truly sincerely impressed by you and your effort to develop your taijiquan
Thank you 🙏🏻
Do you keep up with your punching with weights from your days with Dan? If so do you think it gives an edge to your striking?
I was punching with weights for three three minute rounds, with one minute rest in between, before my fights. I’ve somehow managed to lose my hand weights which I’m pretty gutted about as they’re nearly 30 years old.
I think it definitely helps with that kind of loose power. I’m not sure it has any real advantage over hitting pads, in fact, I’d say from a power development side, pads probably work better, if I’m absolutely honest but it’s a great conditioning exercise at the very least
Did you ever do the twenty minutes as Dan recommended? I’ve done it infrequently, but found building up to that amount of time over a few weeks played merry hell with my elbows! My current efforts are up to five minutes with four pound weights. Hoping that if i build up slowly and concentrate on quality rather quantity my elbows might not succumb! Well done for what you are doing BTW, its good to hear and see👍
@@davidgiles5503 I used to back in the 90’s back when I had time in abundance 😂I always found it was my founders that went first. Doing the variations definitely helped
Shoulder’s definitely a thing, it was my tendons getting inflamed that I struggled with! Not sure my i’m robust enough😂
@@davidgiles5503 I still remember it hurting so much. Your arms would start to droop and then Dan would stand in front of you with his hands outstretched for you to punch. Like something out of drunken master or snake in the eagles shadow 😂
Excellent video Sir. Tai Chi Chuan is The Grand Ultimate Fist. I teach Tai Chi principles to my Kickboxers because they work. I love your honesty. Respect.
Thank you very much. Whereabouts are you based (if you don’t mind me asking)?
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma Sir, I'm on the Wirral, by Liverpool. Respect.
Across the Mersey. I’m from Liverpool, originally, but I’ve lived in Norfolk most of my life. I’ll have to visit your class sometime and maybe I could do some filming/interviews
Because i'm not heavily involved in the chinese martial arts, what is the deal with this mizner character? Is he like a george dillman type? And kudos for going into the ring :)
He’s definitely heading that way. I even had a former associate telling me he thinks he’ll end up being able to perform no touch knock outs.
I think he’s a guy that became the poster boy for tai chi chaun and has just chased his audience ever since. The more ludicrous his videos became, the more views they got
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma wow. It's shocking that such people exist, and even more shocking that they have no shame....
There was a video (I’ll see if o can find the link) where it calls the type of practice of convincing students that it works ‘grooming’ and gives an example of how it works. Have to say I agree
You totally glossed over the fact that the guy doing Four Directions was ex pro UFC fighter Nick osipczak
That was a video for another day!! 🥺😂
I echo Steve (below) that with more real engagements like this, Taichi can progress beyond the illusion that pushing hands is the end all standard for the training. With queries such as this there’s a real chance that for its many benefits, peng Jing, hua na fa, not to mention JI Power Pressing alone, can also be recognized for their danger of leading one astray. In this respect, its no mystery why 4th generation eldest son of Yang Cheng Fu, Yang Sau Chung, who embodied Taichi’s complete training is not relatable to the mainstream. He is just too real for the modern palate. Seems like that left counter punch might have dislocated his jaw? Congrats Al, for your courage and hard work!
Interesting, do you have any fights coming up?
No, my last fight was pre covid and I lost motivation for fighting after that. I’m now nearly 45 and my priorities in life have moved on. I haven’t even attended an mma class since February of this year and it’s doubtful I’ll return.
There’s still bjj but I haven’t entered a comp since I was a blue belt and I don’t consider those comps to be fights.
Respect, the average MMA person is indeed a nightmare for the average traditional artist. We as TMA must accept this and proceed accordingly. Train harder and smarter, take criticism in stride and have fun. Stop the fantasy. Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face.
I have trained in mma and bjj for quite some time. Just showing where my striking style comes from
This was an awesome an insightful video.
I hate when people look solely at styles and perfect execution of techniques but not the concepts behind the techniques of said style.
Mizner's stuff doesn't work if you look at the concepts behind it.
One thing I tell my boxers 'fighting is messy and your technique doesn't matter, if you are not getting hit and you're landing your punches then you are winning'
Hope to see more videos like this.
Thank you very much. High praise 🙏🏻
Good on ya and respect for stepping up. F*ck the trolls and the mcmincer fanboys.
If you are ever up in the midlands, please get in touch. Would be cool to have a chat and a knockabout.
That would be awesome
My girlfriend lives in Nottingham so I’m up that way often
Cool! I am in Derby. I spent quite a bit of time learning Lau Gar but mostly now do K1, BJJ and a little mma. @@indefenceofthetraditionalma
@@stephenburt302 that’s awesome. Could you email me where you train? brier2002@googlemail.com I’ll ask your coach if he’s happy for guests to train. Might get to punch each other in the face or strangle one another 😂
Based on this fight footage, you would absolutely destroy Mizner in a fight.
For me, it’s not about who can win in a fight (I only had three very amateurish mma fights), I just think that people should be able to put what they teach into practice.
Dude, I found this vid very interesting :)
I like your laid back presentation, makes a nice change.
I also want to see Tai Chi work for real, like in your example but also in a more obvious way.
I have thought about it quite a bit and have been thinking lately, part of the reason Tai chi appears to be bullshit is that maybe the original practitioners were just way better at it than as currently exists. I'm not talking to the fajing wizzard stuff but the regular martial side of it.
I have seen two dudes on youtube that seem to show it working to an extent, on possibly non compliant opponents, but very little other than that.
Maybe I just havn't been looking long enough.
I think your example is very good, in that Tai Chi is useful as part of an overall skillset rather than a stand alone system, maybe, I don't know much about it. Clearly the mobility improvement and way it programs your body to move as a coherent unit is useful in any martial situation, it certainly can't hurt to have it in your pocket.
Caveat to my comments:
The missus is calling me for dinner and I am rushing this.
I have been practicing Xingyi which is the same family as Tajiquan and the other one that begins with a B that escapes me right now and have been interested in getting into Tai Chi for a long while (which led me to this vid) but havn't been convinced of it's efficacy sufficiently at this point in time. I'm gonna watch a bunch more of your vids and hopefully it will educate me more and who knows tip the balance for me.
Anyway Dinners going cold, cool vid and thank you for making it :)
Thank you very much
I would check out "Kevin Lee Tai Chi" I thinks it's closer to what you are after; 2 great videos.
If not "Master Wong Tai Chi Applications" is worth a look too.
Master Wong 😂
@indefenceofthetraditionalma I get your sentiment, his videos do suffer from many of the pitfalls of similar channels (not going full speed or full contact/"opponents" don't resist). (edit) I only refer to his application videos, this stuff is not created by him there are plenty of videos of others doing the applications in similar fashion.
I think I found something closer to what you were seeking for this video.
ruclips.net/video/Cf0VKuUJPMc/видео.htmlsi=68mF96xvPvTY7uDH
4:42 starts a 2 round fight that ended in a forfeit. At the end of each round is a review in 2 additional camera angles; the third angle being a slow cam. Don't ask me why they added punching sound effects.
This is Tai Chi (mustached man) vs Tibetan White Crane it was part of a bigger gathering of Chinese martial artists in 1954 Hong Kong. I'll try to find something more contemporary for you in the future but in the meantime I think this vid will give you some idea of it real world use.
In Round 2 he looks to be swinging more wildly but it's an attempt to hammer fist his opponents forearms to submission.
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(edit) After of few hours of looking, I found 1 video that is a contemporary fight
ruclips.net/video/qGGA2ge92DU/видео.htmlsi=Qpo0agYCB9J08_FO
I've seen other videos of fights over the last few years using Tai Chi but they don't seem to be coming up on search, I keep getting this one against a veteran Muay Thai guy.
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Gloveless fight between Shaolin and Tai Chi
ruclips.net/video/UEOduIYmm64/видео.htmlsi=RVk39ejE1XBrYjjH
That was intelligently defending yourself in a fight. I'll definitely give you that as training working.
A lot of other training, and I'm talking self-defence training doesn't teach much in way of learning to intelligently defend yourself from being attacked.
Okay...a spinning back kick KO...holy damn🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
It’s my fat legs…
Good to see - ty!
🙏🏻
Imagine...claiming a martial is actually martial??!?? 🤯
Interesting. I would not say that Taijiquan is sufficient to compete in MMA, but this is true of nearly all traditional martial arts. Taiji provides useful drills and practices for use in MMA, but since push hands is most useful for moving someone out of a space, caged fights limit how it can be applied. I think a different setting might be better to showcase Taiji fighting, but I do respect your efforts.
There’s no way tai chi chaun on its own is sufficient to compete in the cage. As you say, this is the case for every traditional martial art. I would point out that tai chi chaun is so much more than just pushing hands when it comes to fighting, though
I actually like the turn away. The same strategy to make distance is found in Wasp Returns to the Nest in the Taijijian public form.
Interesting
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma The same kind of movement also appears in Sanseru (from Goju Ryu), retreating in a circle to a ready position. I think I might experiment in sparring - both sword and hand to hand - to see its effect. I would imagine you have to do it reasonably fast but that the distance and time gained to reset is worth it.
We had a play with this today and agree the same tactic is also used in Xing Yi Monkey and in Irish Shillelagh. Furthermore, a guy I sparred with made this his goto accompanied by a backfist which frequently caught people full on.
Also thinking about the chin thing. Boxers have big gloves to shield their chins. MMA fighters don't. Keeping your head upright and back ( attaching a string to the top of it) makes a lot of sense to create distance.
Yes. If spinning strikes are valid, why not distancing too?
Very intersting stuff!
It’s true it really looks very clumsy especially the kick he almost fall down before you kick 😂
This doesn’t make sense. Could you ask an adult with better English to help you explain yourself?
From a near pure intellectual place (and spiritual in the sense of the results of a life of dedicated meditational and devotional practice), I think your points are all valid. And, the Mizner boys are not communicating well, while the MMA style critics (like Varga) aren’t applying any Tai Chi knowledge or even remote awareness of hundreds of years of records and hardcore combat success, so dismiss them from any regard other than, “Is it working for you in the cage?.” I believe Mizner has successfully acquired the “mystical,” magic side of TCC. I know that the near insane magic is real. It’s just far, far too well documented in too many verifiable places, including especially those of other martial arts, even Japanese sword if all things. It is a magic that too many alternative technique devotees have acquired for me to discredit, after over thirty years of on again off again research. So, my point (and I apologize for not knowing your name, I’ve never seen you in my feed before)… You’re doing well with the aspects of TCC you’re clearly mastering. And, I suspect that if you ignore the trolls who happen to be parasites of Mizner , and nullify their negative consciousness in yourself, you may actually receive Mizner’s profound awareness of a particular sort of being, and maybe your whole life will explode with awareness. As a special byproduct, maybe even explode with even greater combat success. Why not? What do you have to lose? Maybe a dedication to a school of TCC thought that is competing with other schools, even other techniques in an oblique way, excluding their knowledge out of loyalty or chauvinism. I’m subscribing to you now. I won’t be looking at your other communications right this moment, but I’ll be paying attention, and I hope and envision profound success for you, whether in the cage or in your experience of life.
I'm surprised you don't know who Gabriel Varga is though. I don't always agree with his opinions, but he is a very legitimate and experienced kickboxer himself.
I absolutely know who he is as I follow him on here, I just don’t know how to pronounce his name 😂
I see 4 different time you could have used single whip. I believe people don’t know about Tai Chi Quan no’s don’t respect it.
I mean, there’s any infinite number of techniques that I ‘could have’ used. What exactly is your point?
It’s just good to see someone training Tai Chi Quan as a martial art.
@@VictorRawlings sorry, I thought you were criticising 😫
interesting breakdown
Thank you 🙏🏻 (I think 😂)
Noted in the comments about Nick Osipczak, I was going to attend one of his courses but life got in the way and now it seems like he has a successful business selling CBD and isn't really teaching. I hope you find "sparring" with these fantasy martial artists on here fun and not tiresome because they'll never stop you know, it's a religious belief for them, otherwise they'd have to admit they've wasted a lot of time believing total shit. I said in another of your videos, Tai Chi is a great operating system and your video proves that - the principles of timing, balance, generating power, stepping and staying relaxed meshed with boxing and kickboxing techniques. Nice one
The guy you see there teaching Nick TCC s David Baker. One of the if not the best martial TCC teacher in the U.K. He’s still teaching. If you go to a seminar with Nick, it’s basically material ripped off from Dave.
In terms of TCC I don’t think Nick has anything worth paying for.
Surely it’s not ‘ripping off’ if it’s stuff you’ve learnt from your teacher. That would be like saying David ripped off Dan, surely?
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma Not when you take a few classes, don’t acknowledge the source then set up locally in direct competition selling the exact same content but now calling it UFC proven.
I’m waiting for your video on Nick. Very interested in your take on it.
@@cresspoobear1904 well that’s given me an interesting insight I’m going to have to follow up. Thanks 🙏🏻
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma should also be pointed out that Nick (atleast when I was in the same circle as him maybe 8 years ago) thought Mizner was 100% legit, he really thought highly of him, with zero irony.
Yeah distance.
Yep 🙏🏻
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma and re the turn. Don’t look it as turning away look at it as recovery, going with the force and continuing round to return the force. Dan taught this as an aspect of 9 palace step.
That’s interesting. I’d like to learn more about that.
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma. One was a pair of techniques combating two attackers the other was in dealing with a push/shove. In both you counting as the force directs and return. One used it with tiger embracing head striking as one steps across trapping an arm to take the struck person with you as you turn then kicking the other person. The other was simply turning the straight ouch into a circular motion and return with an elbow or a kick.
The amount of fragile egos in here is shocking.
Why so many bitchy comments?
I love Tai ji quan.
I love martial arts.
Can't we just enjoy each others differences and learn what we want?
I love practicing tai ji quan. Done it for 25 years. If you're good at what you do you won't feel threatened by people on the Internet calling you out. In fact you won't even really notice then because you'll be busy training and enjoying the fruits of your hard work!
Come on, let's be respectful to fellow martial artists whatever they are doing and whatever their level.
The ones feeling threatened are the ones scared to reproduce their demonstrations on camera. You’ll notice I only go after the woo artists.
Just get the address, go to the center, meet the people there and go for a friendly match.
Did you go there?
You’re trying to score points because your heroes have let you down. I address not just going there in this video ruclips.net/video/QTtkspU-ejQ/видео.htmlsi=eFTQbr4SwbpIUk30 Now, you’ve already watched the video of hme London telling me that I can’t film any interactions at their club. Just accept that these people are snake oils salesmen
Ryan Air flights are cheap.
Depends what you mean by cheap. Even a few hundred pounds, followed by the same again for hotels, is more than I’m willing to lose
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma actually I meant for the Mizner groupies that are vocal from other countries!!
BUT that said, a few hundred pounds to for video footage of proving it’s BS is nothing for what it could generate for your channel.
Also Ryan Air I flew round Europe on flights for 99p only!!! Some returns were £27.50 so IMO cheap to prove a point with a vacation thrown in also.
@@adam28171 maybe 🤔
Oh Dumber, I'm sorry I'm just now seeing another of your "one man stand-up show". I just thought it couldn't get any funnier... but you surprise me again. First, you should have titled your video "RUclips Troll Responds to Another RUclips Troll" (we all know you're a RUclips troll now receiving a portion of the same thing you're offering). I'm glad you're uploading more videos of your MMA -fights - it'll be something to have fun with friends who understand this stuff. I think that with your next video, instead of refuting the things I wrote to you before, you perfectly prove them - the clumsiness, the lack of coordination, the lack of timing, the absent defense, through which even a much smaller opponent can easily reach your empty head ... And the fact that this rookie, who was charging forward with swinging punches and not looking (and even they were coming in, haha) and finally got tired, so you managed to beat him, does not say that you had some quality fight. The only thing I agree with from what you said is that "you are not a great fighter, not even an average one...". This is obvious, it's good that you are aware of it. In this video in particular, what I like the most is how your pitiful running away with your back to your opponent and your arm thrown back like some girl... suddenly turned out to be the "Taiji Quan principle" and a great skill in "managing the combat distance" . Are you serious!!! Y'know, this is one of your best jokes ever. Please keep uploading more videos of your MMA career with explanations (I don't know what's more fun, the fights or your explanations), and I promise I'll watch and enjoy them. I see that after Benny Hill and along with Roan Atkinson, Great Britain has great potential in you. :)
And about the real fights - as I've told you before, I have more than enough. But none were as funny as these. But you have video footage... so you win. Too bad you're not around. We could have filmed something with you. :) So, work on the defense - it's very bad, as I told you before. Get your jab right too - it's slow and clumsy, you lose all your height advantage with such clumsiness. You move on flat feet and let your guard down at any danger. Train more, so you don't keep giving me and my friends reasons to have fun. We want you to make us proud of you. :) And, by the way - Taiji Quan is an absolutely complete and awesome martial art. Which you would have understood a long time ago, if instead of wasting your time in amateur MMA tournaments, you had gathered the courage to meet Mizner live. We have no doubts that Taiji Quan is a martial art - you are the one who has them, so you have to solve your problems and doubts with MMA training. Just a note, nothing personal. Come on, stay healthy, train and don't get offended when people give you constructive criticism. It's for your own good. :) Ah yes, I almost forgot - when you ask your rhetorical questions and then pause and look at the camera (apparently expecting some kind of response from the screen), you are especially funny. As Robert De Niro's character in "Analyze This" would say - "you've got talent!" :)
I stopped reading after the first line. As I said before, I don’t take advice from keyboard warriors that have never had a real fight in their lives 😂
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma Don't worry, Dumber, I know you won't read it. I wrote it for the other people who will read it. Although, if they understand at least a little about full contact, they see it themselves. But that doesn't stop me from having fun pointing out how funny you are. :) And, by the way, you will read it (ace you haven't read it already). to find out how you exposed yourself again with your next video and comments to it. However, after all our communication you are as clear as day to me. 🤣🤣🤣
@@fudomyoominano one is reading an essay written by a keyboard warrior who’s clearly never been in a real fight. If you had there’s no way you would believe in snake oil salespeople.
Instead of offering fictional scenarios of you filming with me, why not go to a local mma gym and film your interactions there. Would love to see it
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma Oh dear, you'd be surprised how many people enjoy reading things written by someone who understands. By the way, some time ago I wrote you specifically what gaps I see in you while you are performing the Taiji Quan form. Anyone who understands will understand for himself how much I understand the subject, judging by my comments. It's the same here - if you really understood at least a little, you'd know how much I understand about real full-contact sparring even just from what I've written for you as remarks. (I hope you differentiate between a real fight and full-contact sparring in competition, if you don't, that's your problem). But neither in the first case nor in this one do you understand anything. Which shows how much you don't understand these things. which is also evident in the way you perform them. In fact, I've been wrong before - I really can't say which you're worse at - Tai Chi Quan or MMA. In both, it is quite far from even the average level. We can do such an experiment - send Gabriel Varga your video, with my comments, and ask him what he thinks about it - whether they are true or not. You have him as an authority, don't you - if you hear the same things from him, maybe you will finally understand. And maybe you won't get knocked out badly in some future tournament. :)
@@fudomyoomina another essay no one will read from a man who’s never had a real fight.
You’re just showing that my point using Gabriel Varga is correct. Try watching my video again and maybe you’ll finally get it.
There’s a reason why the positive comments I’ve had come from people who’ve actually had fights.