Here is a little extra lore from the books. There are no spoilers, but it does give context to the settings of Ceres and Eros: Before Tycho corp (I think even before Fred was a part of the company) they spun up asteroids. They handled everything from solidifying the crust, making tunnels, docks, and giving some temporary boosters to get that spin going. In fact, since centrifugal force is what makes "gravity" ships that are docked are essentially "hanging" and climbing "up" means going towards the center. Eros was one of the first big stations that Tycho spun up. And all these high end businesses moved in, dock space was at a premium hour-to-hour basis. But that was a while ago. Some time later, they spun up Ceres, and this had better docks, better tech, just better everything because tech developed more. All those high tech business relocated to Ceres, meanwhile Eros dried up. With all those vacancies, brothels, casinos, and other stuff moved in. Docks got cheaper so you could stay a few days or a week if you wanted to. This is why Eros and Ceres is so different. As I said, nothing important story-wise, I just think it is so cool the authors went through those layers of world-building!
Ah yes another insight into Eros past. Another commenter said something similar. Ceres with its newer technology is like laying down a highway that passes by a small town and kills its economy. That analogy is one I came up with.
Notice that whenever Kenzo spoke, his transmission was identified in the others' helmets as "Canary." That was the Roci AI picking up on Amos' remark. Fred Johnson had said that "Lionel Polanski" was a code name. Most seasons you get one sex scene and one "toss your popcorn" scene.
@@glenroberts9831, what oopsy? The last time these four investigated an apparently derelict ship, it was the Scopuli, and their investigation prompted a previously invisible ship to launch torpedoes at the Canterbury.
One of the hallmarks of excellent science fiction is that the creators carefully think through the implications of a technological innovation, and weave it into the setting and story. So, if you look at the orbit of Eros (it's a real asteroid), you can see how useful it would be if ships take a long time to reach Mars and the Asteroid Belt. It's a great combination of mine, hotel, truck stop and ferry. You fly out when it's close to Earth or Mars or headed through the Belt, dock to it, hang out until it reaches the right point in its orbit, undock, and then fly to the needed destination. But then, what happens when a technological breakthrough occurs, and it only takes a few weeks to reach the Belt from Earth, instead of the months it takes Eros to orbit out that far? What happens to the station and the people who live and work there, when Eros is no longer needed? Finding Julie dead was a great twist, and *very much* in keeping with the "noir" nature of Miller's plotline. In "noir" detective fiction, the bad guys are *really bad* ; the "good guys" aren't all that good; and in the end everybody gets what they deserve -- except the (very) rare innocent, who suffers, but whose suffering elicits the compassion that offers redemption. 😬
Oh wow didn't know that history about Eros. Like putting down a highway that kills the small town's economy since no one drives through it anymore. Super great parallel to our time.
I always thought it was funny that the first thing Miller ever says to Holden is "James Holden. S--t just follows you around, don't it kid?" It is a perfect greeting from someone like Miller. But, I've never seen anyone react to it like I did. Maybe I'm just weird. hahaha I'm happy to see you sticking with this first season and enjoying it so much. It really just gets better & better, as you'll see.
Oh there is zero reason for me not to stick with it. Not just that it is a great show, but it will forever be looked at as my first channel reaction and what gave it initial traction. It makes me happy that I am not even a quarter of the way through the entire series!
When she said 'another salvage', I think Naomi was referencing their visit to the Scopuli in Episode 1. At one point someone called that a 'salvage mission', though it turned into something quite different. If you watch closely when Miller leaves the shuttle after docking at Eros, you can see Ty Frank and Daniel Abraham, the co-authors of The Expanse novels leaving the shuttle behind him. It's a nice little Easter egg. I was fooled by the Lionel Polanski thing too, by giving a male name and referring to Lionel as 'him' all the time, is a simple but effective misdirection technique. But now we know! It's nice to see that elevator music still exists in our future... in only the most classy of establishments. I liked Miller's 'Not anymore' line. This show has some very predictable lines, but it's because they are so natural for the scene, that people can almost predict them. That's why they are so satisfying to hear! Then other times, they subvert expectations, just to keep us on our toes. The writing is incredible, and fortunately the casting, crew, and everything else rises to the call and delivers excellence, every episode. Just some of the reasons I believe it to be head and shoulders above any other SF show... heck, ANY other show, out there.
Oh yea, the fact that I predicted the line before it came does not in anyway deter from its writing at all. Sometimes the best line or most natural line is the most obvious, and him saying something different would've been just looked at as random and unnatural. And I was glad to see elevator music exist still as well. Makes me hopeful for the future.
The statue mounted as the Nauvoo's bowsprit is The Angel Moroni an angel whom Joseph Smith, founder of the Latter Day Saint movement, reported as having visited him on numerous occasions,
Oh, thank you! I always wondered about that, and this is the first time I've seen it explained in comments. I've read half of the books and seen the series many times, but somehow missed that piece of info. As a long time fan it's awesome when I learn something new about The Expanse!
@@Callisto_Arcas It's modeled on the real world statue of Moroni that's on top of the Mormon temple in Nauvoo, Illinois, which was once the main center of the Mormon church.
Sure yea, that is more of a comment that I make for the reaction itself. I really didn't think it was that creepy. 95% of my reactions are real and true but I'd be lying if I said I didn't throw in certain lines for conversational purposes and this was one of them. All reactors copt to this. Good insight on the rosary idea.
Interesting, most people pick up that when the crew investigates the stealth ship that its the one where we first met Julie. Also when Naomi said " Remember that last time we investigated one of these." was referring to the Cant investigating the Scopuli. Looking forward to the next one!
When you said you didn't think Julie's story would end this soon in the series, get used to that feeling because the first season ends before the first book ends. The first book's storylines extended halfway into season 2.
Leviathan Wakes. ... The books is a great read too! The Blue Falcon was a fun moment. You always head the phrase, 'never split the party'. But, this time, we get to see the party come together!!!
The statue atop the Navou is the angel Moroni, the REAL founder of Mormonism ( according to their mythology ). It’s an angel,,, so technically asexual, but usually identified as male. The ship IS a Mormon temple, as it would have to be given they were leaving all the Earth-based temples far behind.
What she means is going aboard an abandoned ship near an asteroid. Last time they did this was with the Scopuli. Kenzo's suit is from Tycho, or his own, as you realized. The other's suits are from the Canterbury. Same for the helmets, Kenzo's helmet has a Tycho sign. They take great care of such datails. You won't see anyone wearing new stuff unless it makes sense. For example, the first time anyone was wearing something else than what they had from the Cant was Holden having a Tycho-cap after they had been on Tycho for some time. Kenzo tells them they cannot treat him like a "canary in a cole mine". Later, his helmet-cam is labeled as "CANARY" on Alex' screen. ;) When Holden and Naomi walk towards the reactor room, he starts babbling. You may notice this happen again in certain situations. Other easter-eggs in this episode: When Alex launches the drone, you can see the names Peart, Lee, & Lifeson on the screen. This are members of the Canadian rock band "Rush". Rush has a famous song called "Cygnus X-1" in which an explorer travels towards the black hole "Cygnus X-1" on his spaceship named "Rocinante": _Flew into the light of Deneb_ _Sailed across the Milky Way_ _On my ship, the 'Rocinante'_ _Wheeling through the galaxies_ The drone screen also says "roci.CX1 == " before each of the names, CX1 is a reference to that song. Later, in the scene where Fred checks the data from Lopez' data chip, on the wall you can see "Section CX-1", another reference to that song. When Miller arrives on Eros, the book writers Ty & Daniel have a cameo. They are amoung the passengers leaving the ship right before Miller. On the different ship lists we see, there are dozens of names from movies, series, books, comics, or games. The most popular one is probably the Serenity from the series Firefly.
@@avsbes98 the Anubis was a stealth ship. The Scopuli was a Belter ship. The Anubis captured the Scopuli, put Julie in a locker aboard the Anubis, and then left the Scopuli as a trap for The Cant'. The Anubis then attacked the Cant'. Later, with other stealth ships, it attacked the Donnager. It was then infected by the protomolecule. When the crew of the Anubis were eaten by the blue goo, Julie parked it in the crevice of an asteroid, took the shuttle Anubis A1 to Eros where she then died. The Roci crew then found the Anubis at the asteroid before heading to Eros as well.
It's a very obvious statement, but Miller's conversation with the Mormon - they're talking about Miller's leap of faith, to find Julie. He's got nothing left. He's lost his job, his last money was spent on securing this trip and he's risking everything on finding Julie. What happens if he gets there and she wants nothing to do with him, or she's dead? If, as he says, there's just... nothing? What's left for Miller? Poor guy - for him, there is no god at the end of his pilgrimage. What now? The statue being made for the Nauvoo is presumably of the angel Moroni. Earth is similar to the modern west - affluent, but also corrupt and lazy, poor but full of very rich people. Whilst they could afford to build stealth ships theoretically, they'd rather save a couple of bucks and keep building old designs on the cheap, probable making some beurocrat's families very rich. Britain's navy for example, keeps old ships going by fitting aftermarket parts, to the point that their propulsion systems fail when the gas powered engines crap out and the diesel generators can't handle the extra load, causing them to short out entirely. Mars on the other hand is an ideologically united enemy like China, or the USSR, and they're founded on the principle of technological superiority. They're also very aware they're the only other superpower in the galaxy, and Earth has a huge head start. We'll see more of them later. In short, Earth has a much bigger navy, but Mars has much better ships, hence why everyone assumes this "Anubis" must be Martian. Lopez talked about Pheobe in their interrogations, and afterwards whilst taking Holden to the Tachi (now Rocinante) - there was a lot going on, don't worry that you missed it. The Anubis is a bigger than the Rocinante, by about a third, but the Roci was a small ship, held *inside* the Donnager's hangar. The Anubis is small but powerful - gang of ships like the Anubis managed to take out the Donnager, technologically advanced Mars' pride and joy. Who has the sort of money to build these things? Earth doesn't have the political will, the Belt is too poor by far, and they attacked Mars.
Episode 4 revved up a bit, then we got more great background and set up episodes. This episode revs things up again, and we’re in the place where plot goes faster. There will always be more background info and more setups, but we’re in the transistional phase from mostly world building and into the real story.
Remember, Kenzo (the spy) had first said to Holden and Co. the he had thought that they were heading to Eros because there was nothing else in that area of the belt. When Naomi said, "remember the last time we went into one of these", she was meaning a daralect ship, ie the Scopuli from episode 1. Lopez told Holden about what they had found at Phoebe Station and said that it might have been a toxic spill but they didn't know for sure.
if that was the actual wording, then someone screwed up.. Eros is not part of the belt in any sense, it is of a completely different cluster of rocks that orbit in and around the orbit of mars, much further in. Saturn (Phoebe) Jupiter (and Jovian Trojan asteroids at two lagrange points 1/3 or so around its orbital pattern) Asteroid Belt [Ceres, Pallas, etc] Amor Group Asteroids (outer edge of orbits) Mars Amor Group (inner edge of orbits) Earth {Luna}
@@ZakhadWOW True, but poetic / artistic license may apply (the object of Miller's obsession / verging on love was there) and, for all you know as well as spinning it up for the centrifugal gravity proxy, they could have moved it into a Mars-Belt cycler orbit which would have been useful in the early days before better drives were developed
@@ZakhadWOW in The Expanse the term "Belt" is often used as a cultural signifier rather than a specific location. for instance, in later seasons we meet people born on Ganymede, which is also very much not in the actual asteroid belt, who nevertheless refer to themselves as Belters. it's not correct to say that Eros is "not part of the belt in any sense", because in this fictional universe it is very much part of the belt in a cultural sense.
@21:12 "So Julia is Polanski, should I have known that?" [paraphrase] Eh... they drop subtle hints here and there, slowly turning down the subtleness. So as long as long as you got it here, you're good. You should consider watching other reactions of the show. I recommend The Normies, mainly because there are usually like, 5 of them, and they are all making different predictions.
There's about 1-2 million asteroids in the belt of 1km or greater diameter, and millions more that are smaller. Given this is 2 centuries in the future, it's probable that they've numbered/labeled all the 1km+ ones at least.
If only we could have seen more scenes with Julie, hmmm...anyhoo, until the next episode where we'll all flip-and-burn and watch your reaction together!
WOOT! 1x8!!! This is a good one! (and there are still MANY MANY other good ones!) Would you mind maybe posting somewhere, maybe description or a pinned comment, how much you have watched at the time of release? I looks liked you finished 1x9?
I second this proposition... it makes it easier for the comments to be spoiler-free without limiting the chatter too much. Resulting in more comments to feed the algorithm.
Interesting proposition guys. Ha I honestly was not going to agree until the comment below mentioned the algorithm lol. I guess I felt that it was always the assumption that one only has seen up to the episode that is available for comment. I'll think on this one though!
My man an important detail to know is that Eros, is an "Amor" group asteroid, and actually is NOT in the belt, but rather orbits around elliptically from outside to crossing then inside the orbit of Mars. So It itself is NOT in the belt, as is the case with the Jovian Trojan asteroids, which is vaguely near where to Incident with the Knight took place, and why the Donnager (Flagship of the Martian Jupiter Fleet) was the ship that responded. The show doesnt doa great job of conveying the vast distances being crossed, because remember, neither the planets nor the asteroids, where they are, is staitonary... they are constantly changing location, which makes the navigation involved INSANE. Given the show tries to speed the narrative along, you never really see how long it took the Canterbury to get to the distress call. That ship was headed back for Ceres ( in the belt, inside Jupiter orbit) so it was just there luck to stumble across the signal on their pathway.
Yea another commenter said something similar about Eros. Ok makes sense. But I concur with ANOTHER commenter saying that at least from a cultural standpoint, Eros is indeed part of the "Belt" I.E. suppressed in the same way.
The Rosi, though called a Gunship or missile boat, is classified as a Frigate, think like a small Coast Guard Cutter. The Stealth Ship is more along the lines of a light Destroyer. Bigger than the Rosi but not much bigger.
It is a frigate class corvette, which I assume is either the authors not doing their research on ship classes or Martians just hinting it punches above the expected weight class of a corvette. It definitely fits the role of a corvette in the Martian use, though - small ship capable of independent operations but very much expected to be part of a fleet (the Donnager class carried two). A frigate is the smallest ship that routinely operates independently, and the way that Holden and crew use it is in a frigate role because they have no fleet.
@@Justanotherconsumer IIRC, the authors explained the Rosi's class role as mostly used in anti-piracy patrolling the belt, either singularly or in wolf packs, yet still able to coordinate in larger fleet actions.
So I grew up in Rhode Island, and thus know of Lovecraft's grave in Providence intimately. His imagination was great. He was quite a racist though, unfortunately.
TBH... then end of this one really tore at me. I was so sad that this was at the end of their journeys. I almost wanted to stop, but I pressed forward, and I'm glad I did! There is still so much awesome story for you to see!
Yea Julie being dead is sad, but like I said in the outro, I wasn't so so surprised. Tragic character at the end of the day but she won't be the only tragic one I think.
Quality reaction indeed. This was the episode that made me love The Expanse. With every viewing I am amazed how much story, action, beats are woven into this one episode. The mysterious reveal of the 'blue goo' on the Anubis. The epic shoot out in an Eros flop house. Miller and the Crew meeting up! And then the shocker of Julie's fate. Damn good writing. Damn good acting. Damn good everything. And the mystery just keeps 'expanding' and expanding. Holy Heck. I noticed you throw shade at Baby Amos. Which pretty much everyone does. It's easy to dislike him because he sends out the signal for where the hit squad can find Holden. And he's a spy. But I'll make my pitch as I do every chance I get... A spy does not make the call. Governments do. He is reporting back to the second and third in command of the Earth Government. It's not his place to decide or question why there's a hit out on Holden. Only that the legitimate government of Earth decided it was necessary. Kenzo is the man. He should have his own spin off series.
Thanks for the compliment once again @Dendood! Yea people have been singing Enzo's praises. And yes of course he is following orders. But alas I am a member of the great unwashed to have slandered him so!
Hey, look on the bright side... Julie wasn't around long enough to become one of your "favorite characters". Yeah, sure, she's dead anyway, but at least it wasn't _your_ fault! lol
I'm surprised you didn't pick up sooner that the derelict stealth ship was the one Julie was on in Episode 1. That blood smear next to the airlock sign was the first big tell. And that somebody broke out of that small room (not in your edit). The show does kind of wrong-foot the audience though with many/most people thinking that the Julie scene was likely on the Scopuli. So there's that expectation / misunderstanding to be toppled. Holden asked Lopez about what happened on Phoebe while they were waiting for the temporary airlock (big plastic curtain thing) to be set up outside the room the rest of the crew were being held in, where Alex had taken the sedative shot, in the middle of the boarding attack on the Donnager. Holden said words along of the lines of "everybody keeps asking about Phoebe, if we're all going to die because of this you could at least tell me what it's all about". Lopez told him the Donnager had been sent there to investigate after Phoebe station had "gone dark" (i.e. stopped sending and replying to radio messages, etc.) They found everybody dead, bodies incinerated and re-frozen to the walls of the ice tunnels, evidence of what looked like some kind of toxic spill and all computer data cores wiped. The Blue Falcon lobby scene is a masterclass in building tension. Lesser shows would use the music to telegraph rising tension, meanwhile The Expanse plays cheesy elevator music and does it all with Amos' growing vigilance of the people in the background.
I definitely thought the first scene in the series was on the Scopuli yes. I don't mind that I miss things though because I think it makes my reactions more interesting. If I was a step ahead all of the time, I think that makes for a less compelling watch. I hate when I watch someone react to one of my favorite shows or movies and they pick up on a twist or something before it happens.
It’s funny. I’ve seen this series 7 or 8 times now. And every time I heard Eros referenced in a science documentary or another sci-fi show… it sends shivers down my spine. I cannot help but see the stars through the eyes of the events of this show lol. And Eros. Oh my god… Eros. _shivers_ What absolute Lovecraftian nightmare fuel that place is about to become! Buckle up my man, this show is about to go full throttle into a direction you never see coming.
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 oh don't worry, there are still quite a few important questions unanswered, right? there is a lot more to it all than you know now!
Unlike Ceres, Eros looks like a potato, I've been curious how the living space works with the spin gravity, it's rotational axis, and how it's designed. I guess maybe there's a cylinder structure inside for the habitat?
With the main docks being on one end, and the docks being "at the bottom" in terms of the illusion of gravity due to spin, it has to be spinning end over end, not rolling like a link sausage. It's implied that the interior spaces are mostly a series of hollowed out caverns and tunnels. In-situ resources, otherwise, why not just build a station, like Tycho.
I think this may be part of why it's such a shithole compared to Ceres - the weirder shape means weirder rotation, means fewer people want to actually live there, means only people who can't live anywhere else live there
You did not seem to recognize the blood smear, which we had seen in the very first episode. I do agree with your questioning of Holden's hunch that this is the same ship that killed the Cant. They haven't even seen whether or not it has railguns yet, or has torpedoes, or that most of their torpedoes have been expended.
In Ep. 4 Holden had realized that the ships that were attacking the Donnager were the same type that nuked the Canterbury, and those ships obviously had railguns, RIP Shed. Also, aboard the Anubis here they came across a suit marked 'Scopuli,' to which Amos says 'This explains what happened to the crew of the Scopuli,' that is they were aboard this ship before they got spaced. The Cant was attacked by a ship, obviously the one that wrecked the Scopuli and captured its crew, hiding in close vicinity of the wreck. Holden had every reason to assume that this was that ship.
Yes I did not recognize it. That first episode was the first reaction I ever did and it occurred actually months before I ever released my channel. So there was a gap in time definitely of my viewing of it.
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 oh, ok, I guess it didn't come across in the edit for me. As you can probably tell, I pause the video and write a comment contemporaneously as soon as a thought crosses my mind, so I don't forget.
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Of note; as Miller steps off the passenger ship and walks onto Eros, the two authors of the books make a cameo walking off behind him. 🤟😎
Really? I never knew that, thanks! 🤘
Wow really? This will be something I go back to when I finish the show I think and need MORE MORE MORE CONTENT!
Here is a little extra lore from the books. There are no spoilers, but it does give context to the settings of Ceres and Eros:
Before Tycho corp (I think even before Fred was a part of the company) they spun up asteroids. They handled everything from solidifying the crust, making tunnels, docks, and giving some temporary boosters to get that spin going. In fact, since centrifugal force is what makes "gravity" ships that are docked are essentially "hanging" and climbing "up" means going towards the center.
Eros was one of the first big stations that Tycho spun up. And all these high end businesses moved in, dock space was at a premium hour-to-hour basis. But that was a while ago. Some time later, they spun up Ceres, and this had better docks, better tech, just better everything because tech developed more. All those high tech business relocated to Ceres, meanwhile Eros dried up. With all those vacancies, brothels, casinos, and other stuff moved in. Docks got cheaper so you could stay a few days or a week if you wanted to. This is why Eros and Ceres is so different.
As I said, nothing important story-wise, I just think it is so cool the authors went through those layers of world-building!
Ah yes another insight into Eros past. Another commenter said something similar. Ceres with its newer technology is like laying down a highway that passes by a small town and kills its economy. That analogy is one I came up with.
Notice that whenever Kenzo spoke, his transmission was identified in the others' helmets as "Canary." That was the Roci AI picking up on Amos' remark.
Fred Johnson had said that "Lionel Polanski" was a code name.
Most seasons you get one sex scene and one "toss your popcorn" scene.
What is "toss your popcorn"?
Yes I know Lionel Polanski is a code name. And BAHAHAHA even the Roci is trolling Kenzo!
One of the things that impress me about the show is the use of physics.
Oh don't get me started hahaha!
"The last time we went aboard one of these" is an oblique reference to when they investigated the Scopuli in the first episode.
but the Scopuli was a belter ship and not stealth, I think the writers did an oopsy here
@@glenroberts9831, what oopsy? The last time these four investigated an apparently derelict ship, it was the Scopuli, and their investigation prompted a previously invisible ship to launch torpedoes at the Canterbury.
One of the hallmarks of excellent science fiction is that the creators carefully think through the implications of a technological innovation, and weave it into the setting and story.
So, if you look at the orbit of Eros (it's a real asteroid), you can see how useful it would be if ships take a long time to reach Mars and the Asteroid Belt. It's a great combination of mine, hotel, truck stop and ferry.
You fly out when it's close to Earth or Mars or headed through the Belt, dock to it, hang out until it reaches the right point in its orbit, undock, and then fly to the needed destination.
But then, what happens when a technological breakthrough occurs, and it only takes a few weeks to reach the Belt from Earth, instead of the months it takes Eros to orbit out that far? What happens to the station and the people who live and work there, when Eros is no longer needed?
Finding Julie dead was a great twist, and *very much* in keeping with the "noir" nature of Miller's plotline.
In "noir" detective fiction, the bad guys are *really bad* ; the "good guys" aren't all that good; and in the end everybody gets what they deserve -- except the (very) rare innocent, who suffers, but whose suffering elicits the compassion that offers redemption. 😬
Oh wow didn't know that history about Eros. Like putting down a highway that kills the small town's economy since no one drives through it anymore. Super great parallel to our time.
I always thought it was funny that the first thing Miller ever says to Holden is "James Holden. S--t just follows you around, don't it kid?" It is a perfect greeting from someone like Miller. But, I've never seen anyone react to it like I did. Maybe I'm just weird. hahaha
I'm happy to see you sticking with this first season and enjoying it so much. It really just gets better & better, as you'll see.
Oh there is zero reason for me not to stick with it. Not just that it is a great show, but it will forever be looked at as my first channel reaction and what gave it initial traction. It makes me happy that I am not even a quarter of the way through the entire series!
I effed up and put the Patreon outro on this video, in my haste to put it out. I hope you all forgive me. Love you all on RUclips!
we will suffer through, somehow!
"James Holden ... $#!+ just follows you around, dont it kid".
Truer words never been spoken.
LoL
When she said 'another salvage', I think Naomi was referencing their visit to the Scopuli in Episode 1. At one point someone called that a 'salvage mission', though it turned into something quite different.
If you watch closely when Miller leaves the shuttle after docking at Eros, you can see Ty Frank and Daniel Abraham, the co-authors of The Expanse novels leaving the shuttle behind him. It's a nice little Easter egg.
I was fooled by the Lionel Polanski thing too, by giving a male name and referring to Lionel as 'him' all the time, is a simple but effective misdirection technique. But now we know!
It's nice to see that elevator music still exists in our future... in only the most classy of establishments.
I liked Miller's 'Not anymore' line. This show has some very predictable lines, but it's because they are so natural for the scene, that people can almost predict them. That's why they are so satisfying to hear! Then other times, they subvert expectations, just to keep us on our toes. The writing is incredible, and fortunately the casting, crew, and everything else rises to the call and delivers excellence, every episode. Just some of the reasons I believe it to be head and shoulders above any other SF show... heck, ANY other show, out there.
Oh yea, the fact that I predicted the line before it came does not in anyway deter from its writing at all. Sometimes the best line or most natural line is the most obvious, and him saying something different would've been just looked at as random and unnatural. And I was glad to see elevator music exist still as well. Makes me hopeful for the future.
The statue mounted as the Nauvoo's bowsprit is The Angel Moroni an angel whom Joseph Smith, founder of the Latter Day Saint movement, reported as having visited him on numerous occasions,
Oh, thank you! I always wondered about that, and this is the first time I've seen it explained in comments. I've read half of the books and seen the series many times, but somehow missed that piece of info. As a long time fan it's awesome when I learn something new about The Expanse!
@@Callisto_Arcas It's modeled on the real world statue of Moroni that's on top of the Mormon temple in Nauvoo, Illinois, which was once the main center of the Mormon church.
Being born and raised in Utah (not Mormon) I recognized it immediately. It is such a great touch.
"fingering that necklace, Miller, it's getting a little creepy" - I always took it that they were making an allusion to a rosary.
That was always my interpretation of it as well. He believes in Julie. In a way she restored his faith (not religious obviously).
Sure yea, that is more of a comment that I make for the reaction itself. I really didn't think it was that creepy. 95% of my reactions are real and true but I'd be lying if I said I didn't throw in certain lines for conversational purposes and this was one of them. All reactors copt to this. Good insight on the rosary idea.
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 lol, OK, cool. I've seen other reactors overdo the "creepy" theme, so it sets me off I guess.
Interesting, most people pick up that when the crew investigates the stealth ship that its the one where we first met Julie. Also when Naomi said " Remember that last time we investigated one of these." was referring to the Cant investigating the Scopuli.
Looking forward to the next one!
Well I ain't most people! Ha!
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 haha no you're not, but you sure are fun!
When you said you didn't think Julie's story would end this soon in the series, get used to that feeling because the first season ends before the first book ends. The first book's storylines extended halfway into season 2.
Leviathan Wakes. ...
The books is a great read too!
The Blue Falcon was a fun moment. You always head the phrase, 'never split the party'. But, this time, we get to see the party come together!!!
Loving the coming together of the party!
The statue atop the Navou is the angel Moroni, the REAL founder of Mormonism ( according to their mythology ). It’s an angel,,, so technically asexual, but usually identified as male. The ship IS a Mormon temple, as it would have to be given they were leaving all the Earth-based temples far behind.
What she means is going aboard an abandoned ship near an asteroid. Last time they did this was with the Scopuli.
Kenzo's suit is from Tycho, or his own, as you realized. The other's suits are from the Canterbury. Same for the helmets, Kenzo's helmet has a Tycho sign. They take great care of such datails. You won't see anyone wearing new stuff unless it makes sense. For example, the first time anyone was wearing something else than what they had from the Cant was Holden having a Tycho-cap after they had been on Tycho for some time.
Kenzo tells them they cannot treat him like a "canary in a cole mine". Later, his helmet-cam is labeled as "CANARY" on Alex' screen. ;)
When Holden and Naomi walk towards the reactor room, he starts babbling. You may notice this happen again in certain situations.
Other easter-eggs in this episode:
When Alex launches the drone, you can see the names Peart, Lee, & Lifeson on the screen. This are members of the Canadian rock band "Rush". Rush has a famous song called "Cygnus X-1" in which an explorer travels towards the black hole "Cygnus X-1" on his spaceship named "Rocinante":
_Flew into the light of Deneb_
_Sailed across the Milky Way_
_On my ship, the 'Rocinante'_
_Wheeling through the galaxies_
The drone screen also says "roci.CX1 == " before each of the names, CX1 is a reference to that song.
Later, in the scene where Fred checks the data from Lopez' data chip, on the wall you can see "Section CX-1", another reference to that song.
When Miller arrives on Eros, the book writers Ty & Daniel have a cameo. They are amoung the passengers leaving the ship right before Miller.
On the different ship lists we see, there are dozens of names from movies, series, books, comics, or games. The most popular one is probably the Serenity from the series Firefly.
7:46 They haven't gone into a Stealth Ship, but into an abandoned ship near an asteroid - the Scopuli.
@@avsbes98 the Anubis was a stealth ship. The Scopuli was a Belter ship. The Anubis captured the Scopuli, put Julie in a locker aboard the Anubis, and then left the Scopuli as a trap for The Cant'. The Anubis then attacked the Cant'. Later, with other stealth ships, it attacked the Donnager. It was then infected by the protomolecule. When the crew of the Anubis were eaten by the blue goo, Julie parked it in the crevice of an asteroid, took the shuttle Anubis A1 to Eros where she then died. The Roci crew then found the Anubis at the asteroid before heading to Eros as well.
It's a very obvious statement, but Miller's conversation with the Mormon - they're talking about Miller's leap of faith, to find Julie. He's got nothing left. He's lost his job, his last money was spent on securing this trip and he's risking everything on finding Julie. What happens if he gets there and she wants nothing to do with him, or she's dead? If, as he says, there's just... nothing? What's left for Miller? Poor guy - for him, there is no god at the end of his pilgrimage. What now?
The statue being made for the Nauvoo is presumably of the angel Moroni.
Earth is similar to the modern west - affluent, but also corrupt and lazy, poor but full of very rich people. Whilst they could afford to build stealth ships theoretically, they'd rather save a couple of bucks and keep building old designs on the cheap, probable making some beurocrat's families very rich. Britain's navy for example, keeps old ships going by fitting aftermarket parts, to the point that their propulsion systems fail when the gas powered engines crap out and the diesel generators can't handle the extra load, causing them to short out entirely.
Mars on the other hand is an ideologically united enemy like China, or the USSR, and they're founded on the principle of technological superiority. They're also very aware they're the only other superpower in the galaxy, and Earth has a huge head start. We'll see more of them later.
In short, Earth has a much bigger navy, but Mars has much better ships, hence why everyone assumes this "Anubis" must be Martian.
Lopez talked about Pheobe in their interrogations, and afterwards whilst taking Holden to the Tachi (now Rocinante) - there was a lot going on, don't worry that you missed it.
The Anubis is a bigger than the Rocinante, by about a third, but the Roci was a small ship, held *inside* the Donnager's hangar. The Anubis is small but powerful - gang of ships like the Anubis managed to take out the Donnager, technologically advanced Mars' pride and joy. Who has the sort of money to build these things? Earth doesn't have the political will, the Belt is too poor by far, and they attacked Mars.
Episode 4 revved up a bit, then we got more great background and set up episodes. This episode revs things up again, and we’re in the place where plot goes faster. There will always be more background info and more setups, but we’re in the transistional phase from mostly world building and into the real story.
Yes! That is the sense I got so I am glad I wasn't far off the mark.
Remember, Kenzo (the spy) had first said to Holden and Co. the he had thought that they were heading to Eros because there was nothing else in that area of the belt. When Naomi said, "remember the last time we went into one of these", she was meaning a daralect ship, ie the Scopuli from episode 1. Lopez told Holden about what they had found at Phoebe Station and said that it might have been a toxic spill but they didn't know for sure.
if that was the actual wording, then someone screwed up.. Eros is not part of the belt in any sense, it is of a completely different cluster of rocks that orbit in and around the orbit of mars, much further in.
Saturn (Phoebe)
Jupiter (and Jovian Trojan asteroids at two lagrange points 1/3 or so around its orbital pattern)
Asteroid Belt [Ceres, Pallas, etc]
Amor Group Asteroids (outer edge of orbits)
Mars
Amor Group (inner edge of orbits)
Earth {Luna}
@@ZakhadWOW True, but poetic / artistic license may apply (the object of Miller's obsession / verging on love was there) and, for all you know as well as spinning it up for the centrifugal gravity proxy, they could have moved it into a Mars-Belt cycler orbit which would have been useful in the early days before better drives were developed
@@ZakhadWOW in The Expanse the term "Belt" is often used as a cultural signifier rather than a specific location. for instance, in later seasons we meet people born on Ganymede, which is also very much not in the actual asteroid belt, who nevertheless refer to themselves as Belters. it's not correct to say that Eros is "not part of the belt in any sense", because in this fictional universe it is very much part of the belt in a cultural sense.
Ah ok, I thought Naomi was talking about a stealth ship specifically, but you're right that wouldn't make sense.
So you are saying Eros is in the Amor Group Asteroids (outer or inner?)
Kenzo's wi-fi is working.. his eye zeroed in on the Blue Falcon sign and transmitted the location to Errinwright's black ops team.
@21:12 "So Julia is Polanski, should I have known that?" [paraphrase]
Eh... they drop subtle hints here and there, slowly turning down the subtleness. So as long as long as you got it here, you're good. You should consider watching other reactions of the show. I recommend The Normies, mainly because there are usually like, 5 of them, and they are all making different predictions.
I think I am far enough along to start watching other reactors watch this show. Well, maybe give it until I am into season 2. Hehe
Julie's necklace is his rosary. He has nothing over his motivation to find her.
There's about 1-2 million asteroids in the belt of 1km or greater diameter, and millions more that are smaller. Given this is 2 centuries in the future, it's probable that they've numbered/labeled all the 1km+ ones at least.
23:06 I love how dirty the hotel guy's computer is, it really helps sell how trashy a place Eros is in general
Yea Tavi was right. Eros is a dump!
If only we could have seen more scenes with Julie, hmmm...anyhoo, until the next episode where we'll all flip-and-burn and watch your reaction together!
Can't wait to flip and burn for you all. Editing episode 9 now! Ugh doing all of this myself is a lot! But you guys all make it worth it!
WOOT! 1x8!!! This is a good one! (and there are still MANY MANY other good ones!)
Would you mind maybe posting somewhere, maybe description or a pinned comment, how much you have watched at the time of release? I looks liked you finished 1x9?
I second this proposition... it makes it easier for the comments to be spoiler-free without limiting the chatter too much. Resulting in more comments to feed the algorithm.
See above for full comment my friend!
Interesting proposition guys. Ha I honestly was not going to agree until the comment below mentioned the algorithm lol. I guess I felt that it was always the assumption that one only has seen up to the episode that is available for comment. I'll think on this one though!
My man an important detail to know is that Eros, is an "Amor" group asteroid, and actually is NOT in the belt, but rather orbits around elliptically from outside to crossing then inside the orbit of Mars. So It itself is NOT in the belt, as is the case with the Jovian Trojan asteroids, which is vaguely near where to Incident with the Knight took place, and why the Donnager (Flagship of the Martian Jupiter Fleet) was the ship that responded.
The show doesnt doa great job of conveying the vast distances being crossed, because remember, neither the planets nor the asteroids, where they are, is staitonary... they are constantly changing location, which makes the navigation involved INSANE. Given the show tries to speed the narrative along, you never really see how long it took the Canterbury to get to the distress call. That ship was headed back for Ceres ( in the belt, inside Jupiter orbit) so it was just there luck to stumble across the signal on their pathway.
Yea another commenter said something similar about Eros. Ok makes sense. But I concur with ANOTHER commenter saying that at least from a cultural standpoint, Eros is indeed part of the "Belt" I.E. suppressed in the same way.
The Rosi, though called a Gunship or missile boat, is classified as a Frigate, think like a small Coast Guard Cutter. The Stealth Ship is more along the lines of a light Destroyer. Bigger than the Rosi but not much bigger.
It is a frigate class corvette, which I assume is either the authors not doing their research on ship classes or Martians just hinting it punches above the expected weight class of a corvette.
It definitely fits the role of a corvette in the Martian use, though - small ship capable of independent operations but very much expected to be part of a fleet (the Donnager class carried two).
A frigate is the smallest ship that routinely operates independently, and the way that Holden and crew use it is in a frigate role because they have no fleet.
@@Justanotherconsumer IIRC, the authors explained the Rosi's class role as mostly used in anti-piracy patrolling the belt, either singularly or in wolf packs, yet still able to coordinate in larger fleet actions.
So I grew up in Rhode Island, and thus know of Lovecraft's grave in Providence intimately. His imagination was great. He was quite a racist though, unfortunately.
It's Roci, not Rosi ;)
(from Rocinante)
@@madux42 ducking autocorrect!! 😛🤣🤣
TBH... then end of this one really tore at me. I was so sad that this was at the end of their journeys. I almost wanted to stop, but I pressed forward, and I'm glad I did! There is still so much awesome story for you to see!
Yea Julie being dead is sad, but like I said in the outro, I wasn't so so surprised. Tragic character at the end of the day but she won't be the only tragic one I think.
The Anubis is just over 60m in length, the Roci is 45M long.
Ok good to know. I am an engineer who builds boats. Got a 30 footer and a 47 footer in my arsenal. Haha, doesn't match up does it?
As a side note, not sure the show ever says it out loud, but CPM is “Carne Por (la) Machina.”
That’s not Irish.
Haha WHAT! I need some Irish lore in this show STAT!
Quality reaction indeed. This was the episode that made me love The Expanse. With every viewing I am amazed how much story, action, beats are woven into this one episode. The mysterious reveal of the 'blue goo' on the Anubis. The epic shoot out in an Eros flop house. Miller and the Crew meeting up! And then the shocker of Julie's fate. Damn good writing. Damn good acting. Damn good everything. And the mystery just keeps 'expanding' and expanding. Holy Heck.
I noticed you throw shade at Baby Amos. Which pretty much everyone does. It's easy to dislike him because he sends out the signal for where the hit squad can find Holden. And he's a spy. But I'll make my pitch as I do every chance I get... A spy does not make the call. Governments do. He is reporting back to the second and third in command of the Earth Government. It's not his place to decide or question why there's a hit out on Holden. Only that the legitimate government of Earth decided it was necessary. Kenzo is the man. He should have his own spin off series.
Thanks for the compliment once again @Dendood! Yea people have been singing Enzo's praises. And yes of course he is following orders. But alas I am a member of the great unwashed to have slandered him so!
Hey, look on the bright side... Julie wasn't around long enough to become one of your "favorite characters". Yeah, sure, she's dead anyway, but at least it wasn't _your_ fault! lol
Bahahahaha, yes she was spared my supernatural powers of killing off everyone I've ever loved! Muhahahahahah!
I'm surprised you didn't pick up sooner that the derelict stealth ship was the one Julie was on in Episode 1. That blood smear next to the airlock sign was the first big tell. And that somebody broke out of that small room (not in your edit). The show does kind of wrong-foot the audience though with many/most people thinking that the Julie scene was likely on the Scopuli. So there's that expectation / misunderstanding to be toppled.
Holden asked Lopez about what happened on Phoebe while they were waiting for the temporary airlock (big plastic curtain thing) to be set up outside the room the rest of the crew were being held in, where Alex had taken the sedative shot, in the middle of the boarding attack on the Donnager. Holden said words along of the lines of "everybody keeps asking about Phoebe, if we're all going to die because of this you could at least tell me what it's all about". Lopez told him the Donnager had been sent there to investigate after Phoebe station had "gone dark" (i.e. stopped sending and replying to radio messages, etc.) They found everybody dead, bodies incinerated and re-frozen to the walls of the ice tunnels, evidence of what looked like some kind of toxic spill and all computer data cores wiped.
The Blue Falcon lobby scene is a masterclass in building tension. Lesser shows would use the music to telegraph rising tension, meanwhile The Expanse plays cheesy elevator music and does it all with Amos' growing vigilance of the people in the background.
I definitely thought the first scene in the series was on the Scopuli yes. I don't mind that I miss things though because I think it makes my reactions more interesting. If I was a step ahead all of the time, I think that makes for a less compelling watch. I hate when I watch someone react to one of my favorite shows or movies and they pick up on a twist or something before it happens.
It’s funny. I’ve seen this series 7 or 8 times now. And every time I heard Eros referenced in a science documentary or another sci-fi show… it sends shivers down my spine. I cannot help but see the stars through the eyes of the events of this show lol.
And Eros. Oh my god… Eros. _shivers_ What absolute Lovecraftian nightmare fuel that place is about to become!
Buckle up my man, this show is about to go full throttle into a direction you never see coming.
This episode really cleared a lot of stuff up, didn't it? not all of the mystery of course but definetaly a healthy chunk of pieces fell into place :)
A lot of things fell into place yes! I am waiting for the twist though. I know there is going to be a twist.
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 oh don't worry, there are still quite a few important questions unanswered, right? there is a lot more to it all than you know now!
Unlike Ceres, Eros looks like a potato, I've been curious how the living space works with the spin gravity, it's rotational axis, and how it's designed. I guess maybe there's a cylinder structure inside for the habitat?
With the main docks being on one end, and the docks being "at the bottom" in terms of the illusion of gravity due to spin, it has to be spinning end over end, not rolling like a link sausage. It's implied that the interior spaces are mostly a series of hollowed out caverns and tunnels. In-situ resources, otherwise, why not just build a station, like Tycho.
I think this may be part of why it's such a shithole compared to Ceres - the weirder shape means weirder rotation, means fewer people want to actually live there, means only people who can't live anywhere else live there
You did not seem to recognize the blood smear, which we had seen in the very first episode. I do agree with your questioning of Holden's hunch that this is the same ship that killed the Cant. They haven't even seen whether or not it has railguns yet, or has torpedoes, or that most of their torpedoes have been expended.
In Ep. 4 Holden had realized that the ships that were attacking the Donnager were the same type that nuked the Canterbury, and those ships obviously had railguns, RIP Shed. Also, aboard the Anubis here they came across a suit marked 'Scopuli,' to which Amos says 'This explains what happened to the crew of the Scopuli,' that is they were aboard this ship before they got spaced. The Cant was attacked by a ship, obviously the one that wrecked the Scopuli and captured its crew, hiding in close vicinity of the wreck. Holden had every reason to assume that this was that ship.
Yes I did not recognize it. That first episode was the first reaction I ever did and it occurred actually months before I ever released my channel. So there was a gap in time definitely of my viewing of it.
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 oh, ok, I guess it didn't come across in the edit for me.
As you can probably tell, I pause the video and write a comment contemporaneously as soon as a thought crosses my mind, so I don't forget.
OK, so the worldbuilding is mostly done, it's shitstorm clusterfuck from now on :)
I think I might use your words going forward! Ok folks, now we are onto the "shitstorm clusterfuck" portion of my reactions!
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 I take no credit for those, stick around with the show and you'll hear this from one of the characters
Buckle up... the best is yet to come.
So true!
Now I have that Sinatra song stuck in my head. THANKS PATRICK!