To be clear, I still love Destiny and have faith in Bungie. These are just my thoughts on how to improve the game Watch this next: The Big Mistake Bungie Can't Stop Making ruclips.net/video/tjwjIoS-MiE/видео.html
Yet you post this? At best click bait at worst a whine video. Don’t be a garbage creator, if that is where you want to go, perhaps it’s time for you to find a new game.
@@vismortis it’s not a whine video, he’s addressing problems that need to be talked about. He’s giving helpful advice for bungie if they see this video
@@vismortis a whine vid? He gave genuine criticism and possible solutions for issues in the game. Unless you really think that D2 pvp is perfect, you can and should give that type of input.
I would also offer this alternative perspective. I never cared for PVE, but I was forced to play it because of all the weapons that can only be found by completing certain quests or raids. I wish there alternative versions of quests within pvp and pve. For example, if I don’t want to do the VOG, give me something within pvp I need to do in order to earn the mythoclast. Not a perfect example, but you get the point.
As a PvE player, it's not FUN to get steamrolled by other people. We're not there to "git gud". We play destiny because the game feels good and feels GREAT when you're winning. I'm not a fan of the competitive dick measuring. I like working together with my brother to solve PvE problems. That means experimenting with builds and classes, and stumbling into powerful gameplay. Perhaps if they designed PvE encounters that trained PvE players for PvP there may be some more crossover and interest, but the skills are too different from each other as they stand right now. Having to jump into crucible in order to get a useful PvE weapon or raise light level is the most dreaded part of the Destiny experience. PvP is not fun unless you dedicate the majority of your Destiny play time to it. I went Flawless once in D1 with some buddies, but at the time I was also unemployed and had hours and hours to get the muscle memories baked in. Like most things, if you don't exercise your PvP skills regularly, they fall off. It's not like riding a bike, and I don't have a $100+ controller that does everything for me. The Innovation that you mention is Gambit. It's a combination of PvE and PvP. It's more tolerable than crucible, but it needs some spice or a change of pace. That said, it's still VERY easy to streamroll groups because the enemies have more hitpoints and deal more damage than the ones in strike playlists (and even heroic nightfalls). So casual players get caught off guard and "wtf?!" out. Thanks for making this video, as I also think something should be done and I appreciate the discourse.
As a long term destiny 1 player I totally relate to feeling like it’s “so close to being great, but then we just take 1 step forward 2 steps back over and over again.” Well said!
Innovation has to return, bar none. You hit the nail on the head re: every game mode being slayer. All the complaints about "hand cannon meta" this or "shotgun meta" that come down to game mode and maps. Giving people different reasons to rock different things is the best way to shake up the stale experience we have. Good video, I like these think pieces from you. They're very well made.
Been saying it for a while funnily enough that every gamemode feels like just regular Clash/Slayer/TDM and objective play is basically pointless. The state is so stale that people don't even believe support classes are a thing. I mean look how long it took for Lumina and Boots of the Assembler to get into the game in their respective seasons? Power fantasy is one thing but everything tries to one-up the same damn fantasy. That's why every little while they add a new shotgun with even crazier perks and stats. And lo-and-behold Bungie sunsets shit. They keep powercreeping.
I think its too late for a pvp refresh this year at this point. Halo infinite is coming out and I'm going to play the shit out of that until witch queen. On top of that there will be Battlefield and probably a new COD. If they're going to do a pvp revamp I would wait until witch queen or maybe the season after, there is going to be way too much competition this holiday.
The real question has to be "how many of these videos from nomad and Cammy does it take to get these changes implemented?" Nomads crucible redesign was amazing, and Patty really nailed it here as well. Do they need to hold you guys on retainer in order to make stuff happen? I love pvp. I. Not good at it, but I still love it. As a player who is not great its been all downhill since CBMM came out. I would much rather deal with some laggy players rather than getting stomped 75% of the time. As some one who is considered "casual" which alone is crazy considering my playtime how do I have my opinion matter?
That D1 musica just hits different man. I remember rocking my first daughter to sleep with the song deconstruction on repeat. Now she is a little monster lol, deconstructing my living room.
One thing that needs to be addressed is “What Do We Do About The Maps?”. They are noticeably smaller than D1’s and if you throw our incredible speeds into the mix you get an environment where special weapons like shotguns and grenade launchers are the Go To items because they compliment the pace of the game. They are still designed for 4v4 and it often leads to network issues and odd respawn problems when four extra players are in the match.
There definitely need to be a variety of map sizes so that some weapons can shine E.g the reason scout rifles are so overshadowed by hand cannons is that most maps won't even need the crazy range of a scout rifle. Along with this, why would you use a clunky long ranged weapon when you can grind for an agile hand Cannon with all the range it needs? Every weapon needs it's pros and cons, and hand cannons and shotguns seem to have none in the current maps
This! My biggest gripe with pvp is small map sizes with 12 apes running around in them. I can't tell you how how times I've spawned into getting killed by the same super 2-3 times in a row, and it truly makes me want to uninstall the game lol.
A few things. 1. Dedicated servers, please I live in the uk why am I playing with Korean people 2. Try and make all the weapons have similar ttks and really give them a specific place to shine. 3. Tone down supers and abilities so that it’s much more gunplay focused
Matchmaking would be cool, third Day of trials and game still matching me with people who done flawless 30 times already, on 20 games Maybe in 3 matches was some kind of balance between teams.
@@whysogrim697 I'm in Austria and I match against American streamers. Halo MCC lets you choose what region you matchmake in so that you don't get more than a specified ping. Destiny doesn't seem to have any kind of ping cap or regional restrictions. You start a game and you're in a lobby with Australians, Americans, astronauts on the space station, and G-Fuel chugging eskimos.
I'm glad that there's at least one content creator/competitive player who actually mentions, evaluates and recognizes the importance of the casual player base. Content creators who make videos like this are generally limited to their own pov which is like saying that Arco, Idaho represents all of America. It's just wrong.
Back in D1 starting around the taken king I had the same schedule every Friday, go to school, get home then get flawless done on all my characters, then my friend and I would carry players through trials who couldn’t get there themselves, it was awesome. Sure there were annoying builds, but most of my best memories from D1 were in trials. After not playing D2 until season of arrivals until now, I’ve been very disappointed. It kinda blew my mind that Bungie seemed to be having the same issues 3 years after I stopped playing. I played some trials in D2 but yeah it was sweaty, and I think most of the community would consider me a sweat when it comes to crucible, so now I don’t bother. Feels bad
You know what gets me more? We have a kill “30 guardians” objective for the solace of heros armor, and it’s aids to do, cuz I hate pvp. So whenever I hop in to get it done in a timely manner I go absolutely toxic with my load out just to get in and get out. Casual players don’t roll in with auto rifles or 140s or whatnot. We look up what is the most broken thing available to get in and get out as fast as possible.
Absolutely agree plus we NEEED a rework on the settings for controller settings, better tuning for deadzone, sensitivity, type of aim assist. Something similar to other games like Warzone and definitely better servers Also we MUST HAVE auto sprint by pressing forward, i can't believe how many controllers have i screwed by not having this option on this Game and D1
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Here are some of my opinions on this: aim assist is way too sticky and there needs to be higher sensitivity. 10 (max) feels WAY too slow. Servers need to be based on location, similar to Rainbow Six Siege; US EAST, Central US, West Europe, ETC. This would reduce the annoying problem of being matched against players who rubber band all the time but still map you with their telestos or SGs. Separately, this may be difficult, but there needs to be a way to detect and some how completely nullify the controller plug-ins that remove recoil.
Yeah since on controller one hunter jump is enough to just get a player out of sight but not only that but since we are on controller with a set sensitivity we can't react quick enough to do anything about it, just hope to god they miss their shots
@@aztekks8554 I mean that’s were the pc player joke comes from. “Console players don’t look up.” Which Isn’t even true. I believe that it’s just because we don’t have to constantly deal with the movement style that pc players use or play against in crucible. If they were to fix sensitivity and maybe ad FOV it might be more different
@@thunder8332 yes and without a proper anti cheat, cheaters go unpunished. My idea is to lock trials behind DLC. So if the anti cheat gets you, you'll lose not only your account but also money. But anti cheat needs to work in the first place. I migrated from Warframe to Destiny because the change to F2P. If Destiny remained a full priced game, maybe me and many others wouldn't be playing right now.
After years of watching my husband play d1 and d2, I decided to join in. As a new player (literally have been playing video games for just over a year), I agree with a lot of the sentiments. I love the incentives of aesthetics rather than powerful and often OP weapons or armor. I understand that cheating is an issue. Although I'm not very skilled at identifying those individuals (I usually assume that I didn't win the gun fight due to inexperience lol), I have to listen to my spouse get angry which in turn injects negativity into something we want to find fun and satisfying. I hope bungie can continue these improvements! Thanks for another awesome video, I love your commentary :)
Simple fix: start with one magazine of special ammo, no ammo drops on kills, ammo doesn't refill on respawns, and maybe 1 ammo box spawning in halfway through (maybe at the opposite end from where heavy spawns)
1) SBMM; each time I bring it up people shout me down with 'comp has sbmm play it.' I would except this is apple and oranges; I despise survival. If it were changed to control I'd probably live there. 2) Map construction; every time Bungie speaks on things like shotgun rushing... it's not the weapon's fault you designed nearly every map to be SG optimized! Stop breaking up every sightline! Build several flavors of maps that allow more play styles. High skilled players have less issues with map design than a low skill player does. 3) Map choice; Let's face it there are maps I can't stand and I bail on as soon as I see them. 4) Add a technical mode; no supers, no power ammo. 5) Add lot's of loot. If I'm rich I would be more willing to sacrifice my fun for others. I will join the game mode knowing I'm going to spend 15 min getting dumpstered if I get a LOT of shinnies! 6) Stop forcing people to play. Period. No more quests steps. You are trying to improve the player pool without solving why it's awful. You are making people hate each other! STOP IT. I could come up with more but these are the biggest hitters to me. Thanks for the content!
@@Ray_Adams I'm sorry but who ever explained lobby balancing to you... fibbed. It has nothing to do with SBMM. It just means that an equal number of high level players are on each teams. I can still get destroyed by that player endlessly for the whole match. SBMM forces the lobby to only have players of my ability on either team.
Agreed, except Control is terrible because people just use it to farm for kills to pad kdr stats instead of playing objective. I've (almost) never lost a game where my team took at least as many Zones as I did, but I have lost ever single game where someone with ridiculously padded kdr and 30+ kills in the match took zero zones. Control should be set up so if a player doesn't help take a Zone, or help defend a Zone, or help defend someone taking a Zone, or other helpful objective-based behaviour (like guard/take heavy), their kills don't count and they end up at bottom of scoreboard. I literally do more for my team by sui*ing off the edge of the map until spawn flips and then taking C so we actually have two zones, than my teammate camping outside 'B' but not taking it, who just sits there sniping opposing team, while opposing team has 2 zones controlled. :P
@@Krantzstone420 Hehe, I can understand your position. I don't focus on win/loss I try and find games where I fit and I'm going to have fun. Win doesn't automatically equal fun... for me.
@@Krantzstone420 Yep. Most players now, literally do not have the mental capacity for objective based pvp. Slaying and playing objective is top tier. Camping spawns/control zones for kills is the most beta trash mob play style.
Thank you for posting this video. I've been a destiny player since Dark Below, and a solo casual the entire time. I can tell you (as I just picked back up destiny 1) that I used to just play PVP for fun. I would spend hours just playing. No bounty, No quest, No grind. Zone control. I enjoyed shooting and playmaking and I enjoyed the maps. Going back to destiny 1, I was shocked from how much better that system is then the current one. I don't find D2 PVP fun. Where are my fun exotics? Patience and Time? Class specifics like Tlaloc and Fabian Strategy? Destiny 1 had that spark of magic for me. Every weapon class feels usable on a high level. Fast firing Scouts and slow firing ones are loads of fun. Hand cannons are always great, Autos feel great. My favorite gun is a high impact auto! I top frag with Plan C. So many options. Point is.... whatever spark D1 had is gone in the sequel. I didn't grind D1 to have an overpowered weapon. I did it because the grind was fun. The game was fun. Speaking of fun: If D2 doesn't get more maps, I'm out of here. Give us Sector. Give us Asylum. Give. Us. Combined arms. I love you and your vids, just thought I'd share why I stopped playing D2 crucible and what I want it to return to :)
First off great video! I’ve been playing Destiny since the beta of 2014 and I’ve never been a pvp fan. I avoided it until D2 when they introduced rewards to chase after and I had to learn and grow so much just to make it to 2100 to earn Recluse.. funny thing is after that I WANTED to play more pvp. I saw how much better I got and even my friends noticed how much better I got. I grinded to get Luna’s Howl, Revoker, and then finally Not Forgotten when I reached 5500 Glory. Reaching 5500 Glory felt so accomplishing and fulfilling. I worked so hard to get there and was so happy. Ever since Stasis has come out though I haven’t found Crucible to be enjoying in any capacity whatsoever. There’s nothing left to chase and no rewards for playing. I’ve tried Trials but can’t find a team that doesn’t have a .02 k/d cause no one will play with you unless you’ve gone flawless 100+ times and have a Trials k/d over 2+. It’s like the Gjallarhorn LFG days of D1. I still WANT to play pvp but I don’t because every time I do I just want to kill myself and it is no fun and not enjoyable whatsoever anymore. (You touched on all the reasons why). Hopefully Bungie can fix pvp. Until then I’ll be staying far away from those plagued lands
I love the progression story, and unfortunately I think way too many people can relate to the second half of this. I really hope they bring back some rewards to chase!
The combination of small maps, high mobility characters, and limited minimap/radar functionality rewards high skill players that can use their acquired comfort to maneuver and play aggressive. It is really frustrating for playstyle options to be limited and outclassed by a select few playstyles. The limited information from the radar system makes less experienced played feel uncomfortable and unsure in close range, and the few long sightlines per map are predictable. Both of which are easily punishable by experienced players with high power tools. Maybe dynamic yet large maps could help, maybe a reworked minimap could help. Right now it can just feel like you can know exactly what your opponent is looking to do, yet you cant stop or even avoid them.
I might feel alone when i say this, but endgame pvp like trials feels rather unwelcoming to play since the loot is only interesting to casuals at 3 wins, then iron banner makes you feel like when you finish all 4 bounties on 1-3 characters you should just get out of there
Hey Pattycakes, I loved your video! I couldn't agree more. I don't have like a huge input to give in terms of what needs to change,but definitely maps. I feel like we are still playing these maps that were never really designed for 6v6 gamemode. There was a time when it was 4v4,and the guardian movements were WAY slower than they are now. So I would love Bungie to bring back big innovative maps. You know, the ones maybe with multiple levels,staircases,teleporters and chutes to make it exciting and always kind of keep you guessing where your opponent is. That's it from me. Keep up the great work! :D
I honestly despise pvp in destiny, however hearing "fun" gamemodes as an idea caught my interest. I friggin love scorched for example or even momentum control as it reminds me a lot of swat. Arcade type gamemodes could do this game a lot of good
Those Innovation ideas are a must. I'm one of those that only does PvP for the bounties or missions, but in Halo 2 I was always in Team Objective stuff because I could win by playing the objective rather than being kill leader. I played as the driver/flag carrier/point capture guy while my better teammates fragged out and it was a blast.
I was enthralled with PvP in D1, and I'm fallen all the way out of playing it. This video was very insightful and honestly I'd happily try out whatever additions they'd make to D2. I still raid and run GMs on the daily so being able to enjoy the full scope of the game again would be awesome.
I think your suggestions would definitely help improve participation in PvP for all or at least most types of Destiny players. I realised some time ago that PvP is my thing, and pve just has me going through the motions. But I do enjoy the time spent with friends, the environments and story progression with the occasional loot chase. So maybe some story progression within PvP could add something of interest for pve mains.
i just need a ADS sensitivity (vertical, horizontal, low zoom, high zoom), vertical and horizontal overall sensitivity that goes up to 15-20, and automatic traction for controller. All this would make me (at least I think so) a better player
I love your editing. Having said that, I agree with all your points. My biggest reasons for not playing PvP the last month is matchmaking and cheaters. I used to let pinnacles force me into the crucible, but not any more. I said enough and havent been in there in sometime. Not even the 4 pinnacles from IB are enough to subject myself to it.
A few suggestions 1. They could rotate one old map each week with an old game mode. 2. Have a game mode with no supers. 3. Fix granades and melee power balance. Granades should be one hit kill within a small range. Melee hits should be two tap at full health. 4. Have a gunplay only mode with builds and power level disabled. 5. Have more Crucible quests for rewards. 6. Heavy Machine guns used to be fun but now get out gunned by specials. 7. Bring back special ammo crates.
PvP:"Please dad Im hungry, I haven't eaten in months!" Bungie:"It's ok son. You got a big meal just a year ago or something and I'm cooking something up for 2022! You can starve until then." Expects a healthy crucible experiance...
Totally agree on D1 early days being the golden era. And Vex Mythoclast for a minute was destroying everyone. Hawkmoon and Eyasluna were dominant too. I wish more than anything Bungie would bring back D1 snipers. The 1000 yard stare, LDR 5001, etc. They were better and way more fun.
I would say that your comment about only getting super energy with kills hurts non-pros. I'd also include completing objectives like capturing control points, etc. One thing that kinda bugs me is watching pros playing control who don't capture zones, but instead use them as ways to farm kills while scrubs like me are distracted actually doing what we're told to do.
@@strix620 The funny thing is you do get a small bump in your Super meter when you successfully take a Zone, but clearly not enough to incentivize people to play objective. Bungie can start by making it so getting 50+ kills in a Crucible match Triumph only works in Clash, not objective-based modes. Other is making it so people's kills don't get count if you don't help play objective or help teammates with objectives.
Patty thank you. You covered everything that needed to be covered but I’m thanking you for using the og destiny theme song. Idk why but I’m my opinion that song just says hope for destiny
God I wish any of these ideas would come to fruition. Every time my clan gets into a rut and doesn’t play the game for a while, we think of new and crazy ideas for gameplay and maps and none of it ever comes. It’s been like dealing with mountaintop and recluse for the past 2 years straight because there’s always a broken weapon load out that everyone uses
Great job, lots of spot on comments. As a person who loves but struggles with any type of pvp . The current option offered makes it very discouraging to participate when you’re eliminated before you can improve your skills. I would love to see a skill based tier system that could not be invaded by better players and you would be elevated out of that tier as your performance improved, thanks again you are a must read.
Absolutely agree with everything you said in this video, I Love Destiny pvp but with the lack of maps and modes and overall neglect of content, the lack of rewards and incentives to play it, and the constant cheesy builds like chaos spam and GL’s in every match casual and even more in trials why bother anymore, pvp truly needs a lot of help and not just some tuning here and here, I hope somewhere in the near future it gets a complete overall but maybe we’re asking for too much at this point. Hopefully witch queen answers some of our prayers even just a a couple of em
I agree with your points about glory and cosmetics/titles, and as a long time fps player I would really like them to bring back countdown, I play a lot of elimination regardless of rewards, and I feel like control is basically a terrible experience personally. It would be cool if they updated the system in the ways you described, left all playlist modes up and see what people actually play, and remove/introduce game modes from there. it would be great if they would revamp destiny PvP into a game that someone would be willing to play even if there was no PvE, and then do the same with PvE in regard to raid availability, nightfalls, lost sectors, story quests etc That is essentially the best version of Destiny I would like to see.
12:30 I totally damn agree with you in here, i used to be a very competitive cod player, 6v6 was almost all what i played but it got stale and i wanted to try something new and very recently i started playing destiny, what im noticing is that im wining those 1v1s and general gunfights but im always getting clapped by cheesy abilities, supers and playstyles, im realizing that what kills me the most are not the actual guns but rather all that other stuff, i just feel that im fighting those cheesy and cheap things more than the actual players, i dunno i mean im not droping the game anytime soon i always have pve to chill even do i like pvp gamemodes more, but just like that tweet said 8:54 i think other games are better suited for pvp than destiny
Exactly my opinion they need to tune down ability regen and effectiveness. I have been playing pvp less and less bc of getting killed by 6 supers per game and abilities
This is why this game is DIFFERENT than those other titles and it should stay this way. Abilities don't need to be OP but they definitely don't need to be severely limited, there is no blueprint but I agree that there needs to be adjustments to SOME Abilities. I hope you have fun with the game bro, despite the gripes I have made it a point to focus on having a good time & that's what's important. I think pvp is gonna be getting a lot better soon so don't lose hope! Try to enjoy the moments we have every day more and don't take things too serious bro. I say this just bc I feel like everyone ends up with a negative energy in this, f that smile and laugh
I agree. It is so annoying getting ready to get a we ran only to get chaos reached, or some cheesy super or special weapon that have practically zero counter used by a potato wreck you. Not fun.
To me a truly competitive PvP model would be where no matter your gear or weapons, you’d be brought in and the PvP mode would only recognize your base stats… The random rolls on weapons or mods applies to armor would not matter… Forcing you to compete on somewhat more of an equal footing… Keep Clash, Control, or even Mayhem to go all out on abilities… And use your new shiny trials weapon to show off in regular crucible or PvE… Also… Trials weapons with dual tree perks… Where top row would be pvp focused and bottom tree would be pve focused would probably help get more people interested in acquiring that loot.
i'm not sure if my input is still needed, but, here goes: as a casual player: i want maps that are designed fundamentally different than the ones we currently have. say a map with a varied geometry that essentially says: okay, in this section of the map, shotgun apes flourish, and in this other one, snipers can show their skill, the rest, medium range. I'm just a lowly pulse rifle guy who shoots from a distance. perhaps i'd use hawkmoon or ace or thorn or sunshot when i'm feeling warmed up, but generally, I use pulse rifles because their effective range is what i'm comfortable with. i just wanna try to hone the fps fundamentals that are transferable: crosshair placement and clearing and isolating angles (and transfer these skills to other fps games that i and my friends play; i'm the only one who plays D2). it's hard to improve when you are locked in a teeny tiny map where almost everyone's using shotguns. i dont blame them, they are just optimizing anyway. i dont blame me either, i just wanna improve. so who to blame? the map design philosophy lmao
I do find PvP enjoyable when skill matchmaking actually works, but most of the time I'm either on a team that utterly destroys the other one, or gets entirely wrecked. The funny thing is, I've noticed it's like 1 or 2 people who get most of the kills too. I fall in the "PvP is a bit too sweaty for me." camp at the moment.
That's why I loved the skill based match making that content creators and streamers fought so hard to get rid of. I love Destiny 2 pvp but since I don't play Destiny since Halo Combat Evolved, I get stomped every other match. I don't mind losing but sometimes it gets demoralizing
i agree with you Pattycakes, i think that grinding should give you cosmetics or ranks, but no weapons that are more powerful than others. perhaps it could give a weapon ornament or a really cool emblem. my dad's first shooter game was Quake II, and he was hooked immediately. this was because in Quake II, the best payer won. there wasn't any special power up that you got from playing 1000 hours, it was just pure gunfight. i think that if we could make almost all weapons be usable and take away powerful pay-to-win and grind weapons/armor it would be better. things such as DMT and, a while ago, stasis, should have never been made because they make the person with the most lenient wallet win. my dad still enjoys playing with me and doing 1v1's, but it just isn't ad enjoyable as it could be. love the video Pattycakes, keep up the good work!
I really love the Destiny PvP. Trials is just so Fun, it still gets my Heart beating and me shaking after winning a really hard Match. The Problem is, that there are almost only players waaaayyy better than me and my friends who dont play every day. So its basically just running in, getting stomped and sometimes getting a group thats even worse than we are. Its just to hard and unbalanced.
I remember in the forsaken days, I was logging into destiny and playing crucible all day. Solo queue and when friends wanted to join. I'm ashamed to say that I played soo much that The Last Word and a sniper are still my top used weapons in PvP! Maybe what's pushed me away is the lack of variety in maps and modes that were in destiny 2, only 2 years ago.
A lot of the New Light PvP experience is getting killed by something cool-looking, wondering what it was, and finding out it's locked behind a paywall. I worry that's by design. Padding out the playerbase with new players is good, but I imagine Crucible sometimes feeling like an ad for DLC turns at least some people away from pursuing it further.
This is what had me drop Destiny out of my rotation entirely. Every couple of months there's a new season, and with it new weapons. It's pretty common that new items will be overgeared, it's almost necessary for hype, but the fact of the matter is that as a competitive player it forces me to drop 20+ bucks for a game I bought for 60, paid another 90 for DLC, and which has even less content than it had at my time of purchase. The gunplay is amazing, the maps that we have are amazing, the modes (while simplistic) are amazing, and the community is amazing. The necessity to drop even more money on a game I've put enough into that I could have bought it 2-3 times at launch? That's not so amazing.
Handcannons with the peak shooting, grenade launchers, abilities, broken supers, and the REQUIREMENT to have certain weapons, rolls, mods, and exotic armors just to even perform well in pvp is what ruins it for me.
What bungee is looking in to is to have weapons unlocked and armar locked, which is a great solution cause if you are a sniper and meet 3 shoguns are that Sword peak you can switch...
@@oldsoul8087 oh srry i worded it wrongly was quite tired. I meant if you are a sniper and meet 3 shotguns that are swordpeaking you can't do much so it is probebly beneficial to switch to a shoty, fusionm...
People say net code will never be fixed because the whole game would have to be rebuilt from the ground up, but if you ask me, that’s completely worth it. I’d say around 6 out of 10 deaths I take in the crucible could’ve been avoided if my shots registered properly, if my melee didn’t whiff, if I hadn’t been shot through cover, etc.
Great video! Being a casual player, I’ve always found it odd that the best players get the best weapons. I understand that they have to work for it, but for someone who doesn’t have the time to invest in farming the best weapons like myself…it puts me at a disadvantage. I agree that a good reward for the die-hards is better looking armor sets. It would make me want to grind so my guardian looks pimp, but still wouldn’t be at a weapon disadvantage for casual crucible gameplay.
S tier video! I'm 44, played D1 and D2 a ton. D1 was my first pvp attempt in a game and I was horrid. I'm bad to average right now, and I enjoy playing pvp and improving but I agree there's no reason at all to play right now beyond getting my bounty, pinnacle, etc done. I'll never play trials either until they fix it.
This video was fantastic. Honestly. You hit all of the points that I feel the community would come together on in a respectful, productive and well-articulated manner. As someone who does both endgame PvE and PvP content, a big thing that I would love to see is the separation of the sandboxes. I completely understand and respect that this means more work for the team at Bungie and likely has many other ramifications but to be honest, I was nervous when they targeted stasis in regards to PvE. For PvP, I'm glad its all but dead, but this happens often where I get really excited for a balance patch coming to oppressive PvP elements, abilities, or weapons, then in the back of my head... "Wait... what about my GM or Raid build?" I think if they are able to do this, then there won't be the war between factions that you see now with the PvE community and the PvP community. That said, amazing video Patty! Loved every minute.
They need better management, specifically in the top. It feels like someone with power has no idea of what people want. There is the disconnect between the consumers and the developer. They need a leader that has a clear vision for their PvP side of the game.
I loved this video. All great points and ideas. My favorite parts of pvp are comp, clash, and momentum control. Those are great game modes. I used to really enjoy control and iron banner, but my experience for the past few seasons hasn't been very enjoyable. Above all, the movement is the real draw to pvp for me. It's worlds above any other game I've played, yet the P2P (I'm guessing) connections cause me to play faster than the game will register and I end up with a lot of missed opportunities or failed engagements when it's a factor. Obviously I need to keep working on my pacing, but when I have a perfect connection, it works perfectly. It causes some real frustration from time to time. I'm most upset about the fact that fireteam text chat still doesn't work, and that it's been so long since a new map was added.
It’s crazy seeing all these comments talking about how they don’t like pvp and rather play pve, I personally think pve is boring and only do it when I have to or to get a gun or something like that
I'm a D1 Alpha Player and have amassed around 12K Hours in the Destiny Franchise, and the most frustrating thing to hear is that SBMM is needed in order to protect Lower Skilled players. We all started with no SBMM and played 4 Stacking Teams who are way better than us but this made me a better player. I enjoy it to see myself improving, but i would also love to see cool ornaments or Shaders added to something like a true Ranking System. And maybe even some Cosmetics to chase in a Casual Playlist
I'd also like agree that my fondest memories are from the house of wolves dlc and it's also made better by the fact that I started playing just before it release.
The lunas howl. The very reason I'm still playing this game. Back in season 5 I was wanting to play destiny more. And went into pvp, kept getting killed by lunas. Wondered the classic "how do I get that gun?" And saw the quest, and thought, ye no. But the more I looked at the quest the more possible it seemed. 1 week of grinding later and it was mine. Geared up with a clan I'm still with to this day.
I’m an above average PvP player (top 5% KD and KDA according to Destiny Tracker). I did legend Solo one time. Even then, I struggle to get passed 3 wins in Trials, and even when I get there I’m pretty much done since Flawlesses are so sweaty that I have less than 20 after over 800 matches. It’s not worth the effort or time and annoyance. D1 trials at least gave loot randomly after matches. I would love to see that system come back, and I know it would help the population if sticking it out meant getting loot after each match.
It’s sooo true their should be like if you hit the lighthouse 15 times or something like that you get a exclusive ship so people know that your a good player
These crucible options ur listing are actaully really good. I mean for the gamemodes. That would be really cool for witch queen instead if a new activity a new crucible gamemode. Its gotta be avaliable 100% of the time tho. No rotation
I'm a PvE main but I used to play comp/survival for the pinnacle weapons. And even if I had no realistic chance of getting it, Not Forgotten kept me pushing on past 2100 glory. My main problem with the current crucible is that I simply don't find it fun. As you put it so well, power grind and quest steps keep you going only so far.
My main complaint with with the pvp/modes right now, Is the absolute overabundance of special ammo (possibly excluding survival, but there still too much). As long as your using a single scavenger specials weapon might as well be considered primarys. I also think snipers are still too strong/easy to use; and shotguns will virtually always be Metta with the movement speed and map design we have, but I digress. I'd like to see either scavenger perks disabled in pvp or 50% reduction of ammo per special brick (still a minimum of 1, and perhaps a change so all players with a special weapon always drop ammo). Gun play, movement, and deck building are all extremely fun and rewarding aspects of the destiny sandbox. I do wish there were more options for gaining endgame rewards though, especially ascendant shards. Pvp should be just as rewarding to play as pve, and give you everything you need for maxed out armor. Trials drops ascendant shards, but it is too little and too hard to get for an average player, plus I have zero interest in ever playing trials.
I feel that the lack of objective based pvp modes is a huge issue holding Crucible back. I agree highly that adding in some of the modes you mentioned in the video would be an awesome boost to pvp engagement for a lot of players.
I'd like to see something like Titanfall where there's bots, probably redjacks, running around the map that you could kill for less points than a normal kill. Maybe bring back those big maps from base D1 while we're at it. I'm sure they'd be much more bearable with our current movement capabilities. Also those were some crispy clips you got in there! I think 1:38 is my favorite!
Im a casual player and my 2 cents on the state of pvp for a lot of casuals is that its hard to learn how to play pvp when you die without even knowing where people are coming from, broken weapon/abilities just push that point. This is pointed out in the video, but also i think this points out the need to pay attention and improve gambit in addition to adding new types of pvp games. I love gambit and for a long time it was the only way I'd play any sort of pvp and where learned how to deal with opposing players bc it was a 1v4. In the beginning i ignored invaders and let my teammates deal with them (or not). Then I got my first invader kills as i learn the maps and invader spawn locations. Then the guardian bounties asked me to invade to complete and while I said its a 4v1 a lot of the players are focusing on collecting motes or killing the boss and if not coordinated i can pick people off with a sniper or pulse. This let me learn how people move, counters, and how to gauge threat. I know gambit is a love/hate it game mode but (for me) it a great entry point into some pvp while mostly being pve, and its a shame it gets no love from devs. Another pain point is the geometry of the maps, and that's its a trial and many crap games to learn what is the edge of a wall vs what i see. Chaos reach especially feel like it doesn't know what a wall is.
I'll be real watching this video was painful. I remember the entire last year of Destiny 1 just playing crucible trying to get a decent Grim Citizen III and even after getting that one roll I wanted, still playing. I would lose weekends just having fun playing. Destiny 2 PvP now is exactly like some put it. I only play if there is a bounty, quest, or I'm absolutely bored. I can't even think of a way that would really make the crucible fully enjoyable for me anymore. I'll play regardless because currently nothing really scratches that itch. Amazing video though. I really hope Bungie sees it
Some of the best times I have in PVP is actually private matches with my clan where we go to DIM, randomize our loadout, and then just play a clash or rumble game with whatever we random roll. Super chill, just for kicks, very enjoyable. Highly recommend.
I think a real easy way that Bungie could pump some life into Survival/Glory short term would be to introduce a glory specific weapon drop in the same style as the other playlist drops. The "twelve perks in each slot", but for a neat bow, for instance. And it should be the case that you could get them even if you're not doing well. And maybe if you're climbing the ranks, you can get adept drops of that, and even the other crucible weapons. It would definitely buy them some time to dig into the roots of Crucible's problems, I think.
I missed the question posts but happy to chime in if you're still taking opinions. My biggest issue is twofold between cheaters/account recoveries, and ability CDs. First part I think speaks for itself, everyone knows what issues they cause. As for abilities, it kinda feels like everything is trying to be Mayhem and abilities just come up too fast. In more competitive matches, it's basically first person to a Super wins for their team. My best solution is to just make it take longer to build abilities, and also probably kill Orbs of Power in PvP. Let one player's prowess reward them individually instead of setting their whole team up to steamroll until the end of the match. I think if PvP was closer to Momentum people would like it more, since it's based primarily on gunplay and skill instead of who stacks the most mods on their armor.
Great vid. It is a bit frustrating that we are still talking about dedicated servers, sword peaking and slow changes to broken things in the meta. I honestly just don’t understand how they’re gonna nerf shotties and 120’s( I agree with the nerf) before they remove sword peaking and geomags. Priorities are not set straight IMO
I think all your videos are well made but this one is my favorite. I think every idea you pointed out would be a great edition to the crucible. Thanks for making this I hope bungie takes a look.
As a mainly pve player, the reason I play pve is because you can grind for new weapons. you don't get to try load outs in online and not get instantly shredded by the best loadouts most people abuse. I wish I would be matched ageinst similar skill levels as me and not have to go ageinst people that have 2000hours+ on the game.
I agree with a lot of things that you said. Excellent video and very well thought out. I would like to see Bungie incorporate some type of weapon system along the BF or CoD line. You unlock the weapon, perks, cammo, and everything else by using it. Anyone can get the weapons if you achieve the specific quest requirements. You can unlock shaders by making specific milestones. This will put everyone on the same page and eliminate the frustration of grinding for specific "rolls" Maps and game variety is an absolute must. The rest of the meta are manageable via the weapon stuff I mentioned above.
Thank you for touching on Trials. I only tried to get 3 wins but even that was impossible. I’m just a casual player trying to chill and try something new but I absolutely loathe the fact that you have to sweat every cell in your existence just for one win… doesn’t help when you try different weapons instead of running the same hand cannon/shotgun/fusion rifle
I respect this video. I used to play pvp because it was more fun to grind then killing trash mobs because raiding was a 6 man activity in D1 without much of a integrated LFG yet.
me and my friends were just talking about how did bungie go from halo pvp to this, i use to play infection on halo reach all day but i play one game of control and don't wanna play games anymore
We need maps that are more open or just larger in general. I can’t remember what the game mode was from D1 but it had vehicles and you could summon your sparrow, and it also had bigger maps. That was my favorite because you could snipe, shotgun, use a fusion, sidearm, pulse, hand cannon, scout, auto, basically whatever as long as you had a shred of map knowledge, it was awesome! In my opinion, we need better maps!
everything stated here is 100% hitting the nail on the head. . been on board since d1 beta, and I have always felt like we are just a grasp away from that full potential. But we always gain progress then lose that shine in a rapid fashion
you made some strong points that i agree with. Its gotten to the point where I almost expect bungie to make a good change and then immediately implement some game-breaking exotic or subclass change to put the game back to where its been for a long time. I want pvp to be fun. and that doesn't mean that my guns or abilities need to be more broken or overtuned than someone elses. I have been playing since year 1 Destiny and I want nothing more than for Destiny 2 pvp to be fun and balanced. I feel like it shouldn't be one or the other.
I think what I am missing now, is almost all of the people I used to play with that left when D2 came out half baked. Hasn't really been the same since :/ But the game and pvp is the best it has been within D2
This was a great video man. You put alot of time into this. I miss the forsaken days grinding for Lunas and NF. Trying to get better, growing as a team, just a little better each day, such a great time in D2.
To be clear, I still love Destiny and have faith in Bungie. These are just my thoughts on how to improve the game
Watch this next: The Big Mistake Bungie Can't Stop Making ruclips.net/video/tjwjIoS-MiE/видео.html
Yet you post this? At best click bait at worst a whine video.
Don’t be a garbage creator, if that is where you want to go, perhaps it’s time for you to find a new game.
@@vismortis it’s not a whine video, he’s addressing problems that need to be talked about. He’s giving helpful advice for bungie if they see this video
@@vismortis a whine vid? He gave genuine criticism and possible solutions for issues in the game. Unless you really think that D2 pvp is perfect, you can and should give that type of input.
I would also offer this alternative perspective. I never cared for PVE, but I was forced to play it because of all the weapons that can only be found by completing certain quests or raids.
I wish there alternative versions of quests within pvp and pve. For example, if I don’t want to do the VOG, give me something within pvp I need to do in order to earn the mythoclast. Not a perfect example, but you get the point.
As a PvE player, it's not FUN to get steamrolled by other people. We're not there to "git gud". We play destiny because the game feels good and feels GREAT when you're winning. I'm not a fan of the competitive dick measuring. I like working together with my brother to solve PvE problems. That means experimenting with builds and classes, and stumbling into powerful gameplay. Perhaps if they designed PvE encounters that trained PvE players for PvP there may be some more crossover and interest, but the skills are too different from each other as they stand right now.
Having to jump into crucible in order to get a useful PvE weapon or raise light level is the most dreaded part of the Destiny experience. PvP is not fun unless you dedicate the majority of your Destiny play time to it. I went Flawless once in D1 with some buddies, but at the time I was also unemployed and had hours and hours to get the muscle memories baked in. Like most things, if you don't exercise your PvP skills regularly, they fall off. It's not like riding a bike, and I don't have a $100+ controller that does everything for me.
The Innovation that you mention is Gambit. It's a combination of PvE and PvP. It's more tolerable than crucible, but it needs some spice or a change of pace. That said, it's still VERY easy to streamroll groups because the enemies have more hitpoints and deal more damage than the ones in strike playlists (and even heroic nightfalls). So casual players get caught off guard and "wtf?!" out.
Thanks for making this video, as I also think something should be done and I appreciate the discourse.
As a long term destiny 1 player I totally relate to feeling like it’s “so close to being great, but then we just take 1 step forward 2 steps back over and over again.” Well said!
i feel this 100% i’ve been on off with destiny due to them not caring for PvP
I absolutely relate to this
this apply to the whole game just makes me sad
youre simply wrong destiny 2 is the worst game
D1 good, D2 bad
Innovation has to return, bar none. You hit the nail on the head re: every game mode being slayer. All the complaints about "hand cannon meta" this or "shotgun meta" that come down to game mode and maps. Giving people different reasons to rock different things is the best way to shake up the stale experience we have.
Good video, I like these think pieces from you. They're very well made.
Thank you! That means a lot coming from you :)
Been saying it for a while funnily enough that every gamemode feels like just regular Clash/Slayer/TDM and objective play is basically pointless. The state is so stale that people don't even believe support classes are a thing. I mean look how long it took for Lumina and Boots of the Assembler to get into the game in their respective seasons? Power fantasy is one thing but everything tries to one-up the same damn fantasy. That's why every little while they add a new shotgun with even crazier perks and stats. And lo-and-behold Bungie sunsets shit. They keep powercreeping.
I think its too late for a pvp refresh this
year at this point. Halo infinite is coming out and I'm going to play the shit out of that until witch queen. On top of that there will be Battlefield and probably a new COD. If they're going to do a pvp revamp I would wait until witch queen or maybe the season after, there is going to be way too much competition this holiday.
The real question has to be "how many of these videos from nomad and Cammy does it take to get these changes implemented?"
Nomads crucible redesign was amazing, and Patty really nailed it here as well.
Do they need to hold you guys on retainer in order to make stuff happen?
I love pvp. I. Not good at it, but I still love it. As a player who is not great its been all downhill since CBMM came out. I would much rather deal with some laggy players rather than getting stomped 75% of the time.
As some one who is considered "casual" which alone is crazy considering my playtime how do I have my opinion matter?
Hey nomad just watched your video on the same topic. You had great points! Great videos both of you!
That D1 musica just hits different man. I remember rocking my first daughter to sleep with the song deconstruction on repeat. Now she is a little monster lol, deconstructing my living room.
I really enjoyed editing this one with that music going!
errr buddy
One thing that needs to be addressed is “What Do We Do About The Maps?”. They are noticeably smaller than D1’s and if you throw our incredible speeds into the mix you get an environment where special weapons like shotguns and grenade launchers are the Go To items because they compliment the pace of the game. They are still designed for 4v4 and it often leads to network issues and odd respawn problems when four extra players are in the match.
There definitely need to be a variety of map sizes so that some weapons can shine
E.g the reason scout rifles are so overshadowed by hand cannons is that most maps won't even need the crazy range of a scout rifle. Along with this, why would you use a clunky long ranged weapon when you can grind for an agile hand Cannon with all the range it needs? Every weapon needs it's pros and cons, and hand cannons and shotguns seem to have none in the current maps
This! My biggest gripe with pvp is small map sizes with 12 apes running around in them. I can't tell you how how times I've spawned into getting killed by the same super 2-3 times in a row, and it truly makes me want to uninstall the game lol.
A few things.
1. Dedicated servers, please I live in the uk why am I playing with Korean people
2. Try and make all the weapons have similar ttks and really give them a specific place to shine.
3. Tone down supers and abilities so that it’s much more gunplay focused
Can confirm playing from the UK feels bad sometimes🇬🇧💩
Matchmaking would be cool, third Day of trials and game still matching me with people who done flawless 30 times already, on 20 games Maybe in 3 matches was some kind of balance between teams.
Keep dreaming buddy, non of this stuff is going to happen.
They get so much money from Eververse that they don't have to worry about anything anymore
@@whysogrim697 I'm in Austria and I match against American streamers. Halo MCC lets you choose what region you matchmake in so that you don't get more than a specified ping. Destiny doesn't seem to have any kind of ping cap or regional restrictions. You start a game and you're in a lobby with Australians, Americans, astronauts on the space station, and G-Fuel chugging eskimos.
I'm glad that there's at least one content creator/competitive player who actually mentions, evaluates and recognizes the importance of the casual player base. Content creators who make videos like this are generally limited to their own pov which is like saying that Arco, Idaho represents all of America. It's just wrong.
Well yeah that's like 90+% of players.
Oh please anywhere but Arco. ): I’d even take Garden City
Back in D1 starting around the taken king I had the same schedule every Friday, go to school, get home then get flawless done on all my characters, then my friend and I would carry players through trials who couldn’t get there themselves, it was awesome. Sure there were annoying builds, but most of my best memories from D1 were in trials. After not playing D2 until season of arrivals until now, I’ve been very disappointed. It kinda blew my mind that Bungie seemed to be having the same issues 3 years after I stopped playing. I played some trials in D2 but yeah it was sweaty, and I think most of the community would consider me a sweat when it comes to crucible, so now I don’t bother. Feels bad
The gunplay is what I stay for, the lack of primary gunplay/engagement in a map is what I leave for
yeah.. looking at YOU geomag chaos abusers
Couldn't have said it any better
You know what gets me more? We have a kill “30 guardians” objective for the solace of heros armor, and it’s aids to do, cuz I hate pvp. So whenever I hop in to get it done in a timely manner I go absolutely toxic with my load out just to get in and get out. Casual players don’t roll in with auto rifles or 140s or whatnot. We look up what is the most broken thing available to get in and get out as fast as possible.
@@yukotrey9422 no ones talking about you beer belly weirdos, this is about people who play pvp. and CHOOSE to use these OP loadouts
@@leovahn wow incredibly hostile today. You ok? Did someone spit in your Cheerios? You wanna talk about it?
Absolutely agree plus we NEEED a rework on the settings for controller settings, better tuning for deadzone, sensitivity, type of aim assist. Something similar to other games like Warzone and definitely better servers
Also we MUST HAVE auto sprint by pressing forward, i can't believe how many controllers have i screwed by not having this option on this Game and D1
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Here are some of my opinions on this: aim assist is way too sticky and there needs to be higher sensitivity. 10 (max) feels WAY too slow. Servers need to be based on location, similar to Rainbow Six Siege; US EAST, Central US, West Europe, ETC. This would reduce the annoying problem of being matched against players who rubber band all the time but still map you with their telestos or SGs. Separately, this may be difficult, but there needs to be a way to detect and some how completely nullify the controller plug-ins that remove recoil.
@@theelongmann5841 yep, for sure!
Foreaaaaal I been saying this we need ads sens controller vs mk is literally like a titanfall pilot and a valorant player
Yeah since on controller one hunter jump is enough to just get a player out of sight but not only that but since we are on controller with a set sensitivity we can't react quick enough to do anything about it, just hope to god they miss their shots
@@aztekks8554 I mean that’s were the pc player joke comes from. “Console players don’t look up.” Which Isn’t even true. I believe that it’s just because we don’t have to constantly deal with the movement style that pc players use or play against in crucible. If they were to fix sensitivity and maybe ad FOV it might be more different
"people really love glowy things" Yes, yes we do :)
If solstice has continued to tell us anything, people will grind for that shiny glowy goodness, myself included!
F2P was the kiss of death to any meaningful anti cheat.
I don't think so but I agree that competitive game modes like trials should have a pay wall. Like you need to own at least forsaken for example.
@@NihlusN7 it as you can create accounts for free like crazy and there’s not much punishment.
Cheats were rampant way before that.
@@thunder8332 yes and without a proper anti cheat, cheaters go unpunished. My idea is to lock trials behind DLC. So if the anti cheat gets you, you'll lose not only your account but also money.
But anti cheat needs to work in the first place.
I migrated from Warframe to Destiny because the change to F2P. If Destiny remained a full priced game, maybe me and many others wouldn't be playing right now.
More like moving away from Activision. They had real servers and anti cheat. It is super rare to see cheaters in OW.
They should really being back that d1 music
It's so good!
@@PattycakesGaming you can’t play that song and expect me to pay attention to what you’re saying 😂
Meaning the array
for real, the soundtrack was so good
After years of watching my husband play d1 and d2, I decided to join in. As a new player (literally have been playing video games for just over a year), I agree with a lot of the sentiments. I love the incentives of aesthetics rather than powerful and often OP weapons or armor. I understand that cheating is an issue. Although I'm not very skilled at identifying those individuals (I usually assume that I didn't win the gun fight due to inexperience lol), I have to listen to my spouse get angry which in turn injects negativity into something we want to find fun and satisfying. I hope bungie can continue these improvements! Thanks for another awesome video, I love your commentary :)
Thank you! :)
“Payload protection game mode” one word: Witherhorde
lmaoo
Simple fix: start with one magazine of special ammo, no ammo drops on kills, ammo doesn't refill on respawns, and maybe 1 ammo box spawning in halfway through (maybe at the opposite end from where heavy spawns)
*witherhoard
WE SHOULD HAVE A BASKETBALL MODE! Imagine 6 v 6 players with an arc charge, passing and shooting.
Just fucking disable it lol
1) SBMM; each time I bring it up people shout me down with 'comp has sbmm play it.' I would except this is apple and oranges; I despise survival. If it were changed to control I'd probably live there.
2) Map construction; every time Bungie speaks on things like shotgun rushing... it's not the weapon's fault you designed nearly every map to be SG optimized! Stop breaking up every sightline! Build several flavors of maps that allow more play styles. High skilled players have less issues with map design than a low skill player does.
3) Map choice; Let's face it there are maps I can't stand and I bail on as soon as I see them.
4) Add a technical mode; no supers, no power ammo.
5) Add lot's of loot. If I'm rich I would be more willing to sacrifice my fun for others. I will join the game mode knowing I'm going to spend 15 min getting dumpstered if I get a LOT of shinnies!
6) Stop forcing people to play. Period. No more quests steps. You are trying to improve the player pool without solving why it's awful. You are making people hate each other! STOP IT.
I could come up with more but these are the biggest hitters to me. Thanks for the content!
Crucible has what Bungie calls "lobby balancing" a busted version of sbmm. So control, is basically sbmm. All the same.
@@Ray_Adams I'm sorry but who ever explained lobby balancing to you... fibbed. It has nothing to do with SBMM. It just means that an equal number of high level players are on each teams. I can still get destroyed by that player endlessly for the whole match. SBMM forces the lobby to only have players of my ability on either team.
Agreed, except Control is terrible because people just use it to farm for kills to pad kdr stats instead of playing objective. I've (almost) never lost a game where my team took at least as many Zones as I did, but I have lost ever single game where someone with ridiculously padded kdr and 30+ kills in the match took zero zones. Control should be set up so if a player doesn't help take a Zone, or help defend a Zone, or help defend someone taking a Zone, or other helpful objective-based behaviour (like guard/take heavy), their kills don't count and they end up at bottom of scoreboard.
I literally do more for my team by sui*ing off the edge of the map until spawn flips and then taking C so we actually have two zones, than my teammate camping outside 'B' but not taking it, who just sits there sniping opposing team, while opposing team has 2 zones controlled. :P
@@Krantzstone420 Hehe, I can understand your position. I don't focus on win/loss I try and find games where I fit and I'm going to have fun. Win doesn't automatically equal fun... for me.
@@Krantzstone420 Yep. Most players now, literally do not have the mental capacity for objective based pvp. Slaying and playing objective is top tier. Camping spawns/control zones for kills is the most beta trash mob play style.
Thank you for posting this video. I've been a destiny player since Dark Below, and a solo casual the entire time. I can tell you (as I just picked back up destiny 1) that I used to just play PVP for fun. I would spend hours just playing. No bounty, No quest, No grind. Zone control. I enjoyed shooting and playmaking and I enjoyed the maps. Going back to destiny 1, I was shocked from how much better that system is then the current one. I don't find D2 PVP fun. Where are my fun exotics? Patience and Time? Class specifics like Tlaloc and Fabian Strategy? Destiny 1 had that spark of magic for me. Every weapon class feels usable on a high level. Fast firing Scouts and slow firing ones are loads of fun. Hand cannons are always great, Autos feel great. My favorite gun is a high impact auto! I top frag with Plan C. So many options. Point is.... whatever spark D1 had is gone in the sequel. I didn't grind D1 to have an overpowered weapon. I did it because the grind was fun. The game was fun. Speaking of fun: If D2 doesn't get more maps, I'm out of here. Give us Sector. Give us Asylum. Give. Us. Combined arms. I love you and your vids, just thought I'd share why I stopped playing D2 crucible and what I want it to return to :)
First off great video!
I’ve been playing Destiny since the beta of 2014 and I’ve never been a pvp fan. I avoided it until D2 when they introduced rewards to chase after and I had to learn and grow so much just to make it to 2100 to earn Recluse.. funny thing is after that I WANTED to play more pvp. I saw how much better I got and even my friends noticed how much better I got. I grinded to get Luna’s Howl, Revoker, and then finally Not Forgotten when I reached 5500 Glory. Reaching 5500 Glory felt so accomplishing and fulfilling. I worked so hard to get there and was so happy. Ever since Stasis has come out though I haven’t found Crucible to be enjoying in any capacity whatsoever. There’s nothing left to chase and no rewards for playing. I’ve tried Trials but can’t find a team that doesn’t have a .02 k/d cause no one will play with you unless you’ve gone flawless 100+ times and have a Trials k/d over 2+. It’s like the Gjallarhorn LFG days of D1. I still WANT to play pvp but I don’t because every time I do I just want to kill myself and it is no fun and not enjoyable whatsoever anymore. (You touched on all the reasons why). Hopefully Bungie can fix pvp. Until then I’ll be staying far away from those plagued lands
I love the progression story, and unfortunately I think way too many people can relate to the second half of this. I really hope they bring back some rewards to chase!
The combination of small maps, high mobility characters, and limited minimap/radar functionality rewards high skill players that can use their acquired comfort to maneuver and play aggressive. It is really frustrating for playstyle options to be limited and outclassed by a select few playstyles. The limited information from the radar system makes less experienced played feel uncomfortable and unsure in close range, and the few long sightlines per map are predictable. Both of which are easily punishable by experienced players with high power tools. Maybe dynamic yet large maps could help, maybe a reworked minimap could help. Right now it can just feel like you can know exactly what your opponent is looking to do, yet you cant stop or even avoid them.
Short of playing super sneaky and camping, which slows game down and is boring.
I might feel alone when i say this, but endgame pvp like trials feels rather unwelcoming to play since the loot is only interesting to casuals at 3 wins, then iron banner makes you feel like when you finish all 4 bounties on 1-3 characters you should just get out of there
Hey Pattycakes, I loved your video! I couldn't agree more. I don't have like a huge input to give in terms of what needs to change,but definitely maps. I feel like we are still playing these maps that were never really designed for 6v6 gamemode. There was a time when it was 4v4,and the guardian movements were WAY slower than they are now. So I would love Bungie to bring back big innovative maps. You know, the ones maybe with multiple levels,staircases,teleporters and chutes to make it exciting and always kind of keep you guessing where your opponent is. That's it from me. Keep up the great work! :D
I honestly despise pvp in destiny, however hearing "fun" gamemodes as an idea caught my interest. I friggin love scorched for example or even momentum control as it reminds me a lot of swat. Arcade type gamemodes could do this game a lot of good
Those Innovation ideas are a must. I'm one of those that only does PvP for the bounties or missions, but in Halo 2 I was always in Team Objective stuff because I could win by playing the objective rather than being kill leader. I played as the driver/flag carrier/point capture guy while my better teammates fragged out and it was a blast.
"we hear you, we will nerf 140 hcs" -bungie
This type of comment be getting old mate. Anything useful to add?
@@jeremyhenning6831 "we hear you, we will keep posting comments in this format" -bungie
Honestly I wouldn’t mind a 140 nerf. I’m just looking for any excuse to use a scout that isn’t dmt to be competitive
I was enthralled with PvP in D1, and I'm fallen all the way out of playing it. This video was very insightful and honestly I'd happily try out whatever additions they'd make to D2. I still raid and run GMs on the daily so being able to enjoy the full scope of the game again would be awesome.
I think your suggestions would definitely help improve participation in PvP for all or at least most types of Destiny players.
I realised some time ago that PvP is my thing, and pve just has me going through the motions. But I do enjoy the time spent with friends, the environments and story progression with the occasional loot chase. So maybe some story progression within PvP could add something of interest for pve mains.
Genuinely good video man, meant a lot, d1 was my childhood, I played it so much when I was like 9 years old, restores my hope in the game
i just need a ADS sensitivity (vertical, horizontal, low zoom, high zoom), vertical and horizontal overall sensitivity that goes up to 15-20, and automatic traction for controller. All this would make me (at least I think so) a better player
I love your editing. Having said that, I agree with all your points. My biggest reasons for not playing PvP the last month is matchmaking and cheaters. I used to let pinnacles force me into the crucible, but not any more. I said enough and havent been in there in sometime. Not even the 4 pinnacles from IB are enough to subject myself to it.
The best fun in pvp that I've ever had with destiny was SRL.
My favorite experiences were hitting my first slayer sniping and getting a nova bomb slayer when playing with Geekermon in d1 with my friend 😢
A few suggestions 1. They could rotate one old map each week with an old game mode. 2. Have a game mode with no supers. 3. Fix granades and melee power balance. Granades should be one hit kill within a small range. Melee hits should be two tap at full health. 4. Have a gunplay only mode with builds and power level disabled. 5. Have more Crucible quests for rewards. 6. Heavy Machine guns used to be fun but now get out gunned by specials. 7. Bring back special ammo crates.
PvP:"Please dad Im hungry, I haven't eaten in months!"
Bungie:"It's ok son. You got a big meal just a year ago or something and I'm cooking something up for 2022! You can starve until then."
Expects a healthy crucible experiance...
Totally agree on D1 early days being the golden era. And Vex Mythoclast for a minute was destroying everyone. Hawkmoon and Eyasluna were dominant too. I wish more than anything Bungie would bring back D1 snipers. The 1000 yard stare, LDR 5001, etc. They were better and way more fun.
I would say that your comment about only getting super energy with kills hurts non-pros. I'd also include completing objectives like capturing control points, etc. One thing that kinda bugs me is watching pros playing control who don't capture zones, but instead use them as ways to farm kills while scrubs like me are distracted actually doing what we're told to do.
Good point! Maybe only getting super energy for optaining objectives? That would change the gameplay massive
When I see 'pros' using Control to farm instead of taking Zones and playing objective, I just start jumping off the map.
@@strix620 The funny thing is you do get a small bump in your Super meter when you successfully take a Zone, but clearly not enough to incentivize people to play objective. Bungie can start by making it so getting 50+ kills in a Crucible match Triumph only works in Clash, not objective-based modes. Other is making it so people's kills don't get count if you don't help play objective or help teammates with objectives.
Patty thank you. You covered everything that needed to be covered but I’m thanking you for using the og destiny theme song. Idk why but I’m my opinion that song just says hope for destiny
God I wish any of these ideas would come to fruition. Every time my clan gets into a rut and doesn’t play the game for a while, we think of new and crazy ideas for gameplay and maps and none of it ever comes. It’s been like dealing with mountaintop and recluse for the past 2 years straight because there’s always a broken weapon load out that everyone uses
Great job, lots of spot on comments. As a person who loves but struggles with any type of pvp . The current option offered makes it very discouraging to participate when you’re eliminated before you can improve your skills. I would love to see a skill based tier system that could not be invaded by better players and you would be elevated out of that tier as your performance improved, thanks again you are a must read.
Absolutely agree with everything you said in this video, I Love Destiny pvp but with the lack of maps and modes and overall neglect of content, the lack of rewards and incentives to play it, and the constant cheesy builds like chaos spam and GL’s in every match casual and even more in trials why bother anymore, pvp truly needs a lot of help and not just some tuning here and here, I hope somewhere in the near future it gets a complete overall but maybe we’re asking for too much at this point. Hopefully witch queen answers some of our prayers even just a a couple of em
GL is not broken
You’re capping if you think salvagers salvo with chain reaction and chain reaction spec and then breach and clear isn’t broken
@@shawnseagraves1070 In Pvp tho and no not broken, really good, but not broken
I agree with your points about glory and cosmetics/titles, and as a long time fps player I would really like them to bring back countdown, I play a lot of elimination regardless of rewards, and I feel like control is basically a terrible experience personally. It would be cool if they updated the system in the ways you described, left all playlist modes up and see what people actually play, and remove/introduce game modes from there.
it would be great if they would revamp destiny PvP into a game that someone would be willing to play even if there was no PvE, and then do the same with PvE in regard to raid availability, nightfalls, lost sectors, story quests etc
That is essentially the best version of Destiny I would like to see.
12:30 I totally damn agree with you in here, i used to be a very competitive cod player, 6v6 was almost all what i played but it got stale and i wanted to try something new and very recently i started playing destiny, what im noticing is that im wining those 1v1s and general gunfights but im always getting clapped by cheesy abilities, supers and playstyles, im realizing that what kills me the most are not the actual guns but rather all that other stuff, i just feel that im fighting those cheesy and cheap things more than the actual players, i dunno i mean im not droping the game anytime soon i always have pve to chill even do i like pvp gamemodes more, but just like that tweet said 8:54 i think other games are better suited for pvp than destiny
Exactly my opinion they need to tune down ability regen and effectiveness. I have been playing pvp less and less bc of getting killed by 6 supers per game and abilities
This is why this game is DIFFERENT than those other titles and it should stay this way.
Abilities don't need to be OP but they definitely don't need to be severely limited, there is no blueprint but I agree that there needs to be adjustments to SOME Abilities.
I hope you have fun with the game bro, despite the gripes I have made it a point to focus on having a good time & that's what's important. I think pvp is gonna be getting a lot better soon so don't lose hope! Try to enjoy the moments we have every day more and don't take things too serious bro. I say this just bc I feel like everyone ends up with a negative energy in this, f that smile and laugh
I agree. It is so annoying getting ready to get a we ran only to get chaos reached, or some cheesy super or special weapon that have practically zero counter used by a potato wreck you. Not fun.
Ahh the D1 loot cave ... good times.
To me a truly competitive PvP model would be where no matter your gear or weapons, you’d be brought in and the PvP mode would only recognize your base stats… The random rolls on weapons or mods applies to armor would not matter… Forcing you to compete on somewhat more of an equal footing… Keep Clash, Control, or even Mayhem to go all out on abilities… And use your new shiny trials weapon to show off in regular crucible or PvE… Also… Trials weapons with dual tree perks… Where top row would be pvp focused and bottom tree would be pve focused would probably help get more people interested in acquiring that loot.
Hopefully we get some new maps in the next expansion
New maps? What are those?
Don't hold your breath we didn't get any maps in beyond light or even post beyond light so I doubt pvp will get anything meaningful.
i'm not sure if my input is still needed, but, here goes:
as a casual player: i want maps that are designed fundamentally different than the ones we currently have. say a map with a varied geometry that essentially says: okay, in this section of the map, shotgun apes flourish, and in this other one, snipers can show their skill, the rest, medium range. I'm just a lowly pulse rifle guy who shoots from a distance. perhaps i'd use hawkmoon or ace or thorn or sunshot when i'm feeling warmed up, but generally, I use pulse rifles because their effective range is what i'm comfortable with.
i just wanna try to hone the fps fundamentals that are transferable: crosshair placement and clearing and isolating angles (and transfer these skills to other fps games that i and my friends play; i'm the only one who plays D2). it's hard to improve when you are locked in a teeny tiny map where almost everyone's using shotguns. i dont blame them, they are just optimizing anyway. i dont blame me either, i just wanna improve. so who to blame? the map design philosophy lmao
I do find PvP enjoyable when skill matchmaking actually works, but most of the time I'm either on a team that utterly destroys the other one, or gets entirely wrecked. The funny thing is, I've noticed it's like 1 or 2 people who get most of the kills too. I fall in the "PvP is a bit too sweaty for me." camp at the moment.
That's why I loved the skill based match making that content creators and streamers fought so hard to get rid of. I love Destiny 2 pvp but since I don't play Destiny since Halo Combat Evolved, I get stomped every other match. I don't mind losing but sometimes it gets demoralizing
Agree 100 %. I love that Titan glow set! Oh My God i want that so bad!!! Great video. Keep up the great work
Hmm...there have been a constant output of "How to fix the Crucible" by content providers lately.
i agree with you Pattycakes, i think that grinding should give you cosmetics or ranks, but no weapons that are more powerful than others. perhaps it could give a weapon ornament or a really cool emblem. my dad's first shooter game was Quake II, and he was hooked immediately. this was because in Quake II, the best payer won. there wasn't any special power up that you got from playing 1000 hours, it was just pure gunfight. i think that if we could make almost all weapons be usable and take away powerful pay-to-win and grind weapons/armor it would be better. things such as DMT and, a while ago, stasis, should have never been made because they make the person with the most lenient wallet win. my dad still enjoys playing with me and doing 1v1's, but it just isn't ad enjoyable as it could be. love the video Pattycakes, keep up the good work!
I really love the Destiny PvP. Trials is just so Fun, it still gets my Heart beating and me shaking after winning a really hard Match. The Problem is, that there are almost only players waaaayyy better than me and my friends who dont play every day. So its basically just running in, getting stomped and sometimes getting a group thats even worse than we are. Its just to hard and unbalanced.
I remember in the forsaken days, I was logging into destiny and playing crucible all day. Solo queue and when friends wanted to join. I'm ashamed to say that I played soo much that The Last Word and a sniper are still my top used weapons in PvP! Maybe what's pushed me away is the lack of variety in maps and modes that were in destiny 2, only 2 years ago.
A lot of the New Light PvP experience is getting killed by something cool-looking, wondering what it was, and finding out it's locked behind a paywall. I worry that's by design. Padding out the playerbase with new players is good, but I imagine Crucible sometimes feeling like an ad for DLC turns at least some people away from pursuing it further.
This is what had me drop Destiny out of my rotation entirely. Every couple of months there's a new season, and with it new weapons. It's pretty common that new items will be overgeared, it's almost necessary for hype, but the fact of the matter is that as a competitive player it forces me to drop 20+ bucks for a game I bought for 60, paid another 90 for DLC, and which has even less content than it had at my time of purchase. The gunplay is amazing, the maps that we have are amazing, the modes (while simplistic) are amazing, and the community is amazing. The necessity to drop even more money on a game I've put enough into that I could have bought it 2-3 times at launch? That's not so amazing.
Handcannons with the peak shooting, grenade launchers, abilities, broken supers, and the REQUIREMENT to have certain weapons, rolls, mods, and exotic armors just to even perform well in pvp is what ruins it for me.
I feel lik in trials they should lock gear so you cant swap after the intro
agree
What bungee is looking in to is to have weapons unlocked and armar locked, which is a great solution cause if you are a sniper and meet 3 shoguns are that Sword peak you can switch...
@@rasmust8044 i would be ok with that just no swords
They did that back in trials of the nine
@@oldsoul8087 oh srry i worded it wrongly was quite tired. I meant if you are a sniper and meet 3 shotguns that are swordpeaking you can't do much so it is probebly beneficial to switch to a shoty, fusionm...
People say net code will never be fixed because the whole game would have to be rebuilt from the ground up, but if you ask me, that’s completely worth it. I’d say around 6 out of 10 deaths I take in the crucible could’ve been avoided if my shots registered properly, if my melee didn’t whiff, if I hadn’t been shot through cover, etc.
Me, who isn’t bungie: 👀
Genious
Great video! Being a casual player, I’ve always found it odd that the best players get the best weapons. I understand that they have to work for it, but for someone who doesn’t have the time to invest in farming the best weapons like myself…it puts me at a disadvantage. I agree that a good reward for the die-hards is better looking armor sets. It would make me want to grind so my guardian looks pimp, but still wouldn’t be at a weapon disadvantage for casual crucible gameplay.
S tier video! I'm 44, played D1 and D2 a ton. D1 was my first pvp attempt in a game and I was horrid. I'm bad to average right now, and I enjoy playing pvp and improving but I agree there's no reason at all to play right now beyond getting my bounty, pinnacle, etc done. I'll never play trials either until they fix it.
“Deeply passionate about the crucible” lmao it doesn’t feel like it
This video was fantastic. Honestly. You hit all of the points that I feel the community would come together on in a respectful, productive and well-articulated manner. As someone who does both endgame PvE and PvP content, a big thing that I would love to see is the separation of the sandboxes. I completely understand and respect that this means more work for the team at Bungie and likely has many other ramifications but to be honest, I was nervous when they targeted stasis in regards to PvE. For PvP, I'm glad its all but dead, but this happens often where I get really excited for a balance patch coming to oppressive PvP elements, abilities, or weapons, then in the back of my head... "Wait... what about my GM or Raid build?" I think if they are able to do this, then there won't be the war between factions that you see now with the PvE community and the PvP community. That said, amazing video Patty! Loved every minute.
They need better management, specifically in the top. It feels like someone with power has no idea of what people want. There is the disconnect between the consumers and the developer.
They need a leader that has a clear vision for their PvP side of the game.
They do know what people want, and it's not PVP.
I loved this video. All great points and ideas.
My favorite parts of pvp are comp, clash, and momentum control. Those are great game modes. I used to really enjoy control and iron banner, but my experience for the past few seasons hasn't been very enjoyable.
Above all, the movement is the real draw to pvp for me. It's worlds above any other game I've played, yet the P2P (I'm guessing) connections cause me to play faster than the game will register and I end up with a lot of missed opportunities or failed engagements when it's a factor. Obviously I need to keep working on my pacing, but when I have a perfect connection, it works perfectly. It causes some real frustration from time to time.
I'm most upset about the fact that fireteam text chat still doesn't work, and that it's been so long since a new map was added.
It’s crazy seeing all these comments talking about how they don’t like pvp and rather play pve, I personally think pve is boring and only do it when I have to or to get a gun or something like that
I'm a D1 Alpha Player and have amassed around 12K Hours in the Destiny Franchise, and the most frustrating thing to hear is that SBMM is needed in order to protect Lower Skilled players. We all started with no SBMM and played 4 Stacking Teams who are way better than us but this made me a better player. I enjoy it to see myself improving, but i would also love to see cool ornaments or Shaders added to something like a true Ranking System. And maybe even some Cosmetics to chase in a Casual Playlist
Bungie: “Seriously guys…Zero Fucks Given”
I'd also like agree that my fondest memories are from the house of wolves dlc and it's also made better by the fact that I started playing just before it release.
They did save it. At least for me.
The lunas howl. The very reason I'm still playing this game. Back in season 5 I was wanting to play destiny more. And went into pvp, kept getting killed by lunas. Wondered the classic "how do I get that gun?" And saw the quest, and thought, ye no. But the more I looked at the quest the more possible it seemed. 1 week of grinding later and it was mine. Geared up with a clan I'm still with to this day.
You have a problem with the crucible?
N-no dad it’s fine
I’m an above average PvP player (top 5% KD and KDA according to Destiny Tracker). I did legend Solo one time. Even then, I struggle to get passed 3 wins in Trials, and even when I get there I’m pretty much done since Flawlesses are so sweaty that I have less than 20 after over 800 matches. It’s not worth the effort or time and annoyance. D1 trials at least gave loot randomly after matches. I would love to see that system come back, and I know it would help the population if sticking it out meant getting loot after each match.
Thank God Battlefield looks like it's going to be good again
It’s sooo true their should be like if you hit the lighthouse 15 times or something like that you get a exclusive ship so people know that your a good player
"What happened"
Well the game became a piece of shit.
These crucible options ur listing are actaully really good. I mean for the gamemodes. That would be really cool for witch queen instead if a new activity a new crucible gamemode. Its gotta be avaliable 100% of the time tho. No rotation
I'm a PvE main but I used to play comp/survival for the pinnacle weapons. And even if I had no realistic chance of getting it, Not Forgotten kept me pushing on past 2100 glory.
My main problem with the current crucible is that I simply don't find it fun. As you put it so well, power grind and quest steps keep you going only so far.
My main complaint with with the pvp/modes right now, Is the absolute overabundance of special ammo (possibly excluding survival, but there still too much). As long as your using a single scavenger specials weapon might as well be considered primarys. I also think snipers are still too strong/easy to use; and shotguns will virtually always be Metta with the movement speed and map design we have, but I digress. I'd like to see either scavenger perks disabled in pvp or 50% reduction of ammo per special brick (still a minimum of 1, and perhaps a change so all players with a special weapon always drop ammo).
Gun play, movement, and deck building are all extremely fun and rewarding aspects of the destiny sandbox. I do wish there were more options for gaining endgame rewards though, especially ascendant shards. Pvp should be just as rewarding to play as pve, and give you everything you need for maxed out armor. Trials drops ascendant shards, but it is too little and too hard to get for an average player, plus I have zero interest in ever playing trials.
I feel that the lack of objective based pvp modes is a huge issue holding Crucible back. I agree highly that adding in some of the modes you mentioned in the video would be an awesome boost to pvp engagement for a lot of players.
I'd like to see something like Titanfall where there's bots, probably redjacks, running around the map that you could kill for less points than a normal kill. Maybe bring back those big maps from base D1 while we're at it. I'm sure they'd be much more bearable with our current movement capabilities.
Also those were some crispy clips you got in there! I think 1:38 is my favorite!
Im a casual player and my 2 cents on the state of pvp for a lot of casuals is that its hard to learn how to play pvp when you die without even knowing where people are coming from, broken weapon/abilities just push that point. This is pointed out in the video, but also i think this points out the need to pay attention and improve gambit in addition to adding new types of pvp games.
I love gambit and for a long time it was the only way I'd play any sort of pvp and where learned how to deal with opposing players bc it was a 1v4. In the beginning i ignored invaders and let my teammates deal with them (or not). Then I got my first invader kills as i learn the maps and invader spawn locations. Then the guardian bounties asked me to invade to complete and while I said its a 4v1 a lot of the players are focusing on collecting motes or killing the boss and if not coordinated i can pick people off with a sniper or pulse. This let me learn how people move, counters, and how to gauge threat.
I know gambit is a love/hate it game mode but (for me) it a great entry point into some pvp while mostly being pve, and its a shame it gets no love from devs.
Another pain point is the geometry of the maps, and that's its a trial and many crap games to learn what is the edge of a wall vs what i see. Chaos reach especially feel like it doesn't know what a wall is.
I'll be real watching this video was painful. I remember the entire last year of Destiny 1 just playing crucible trying to get a decent Grim Citizen III and even after getting that one roll I wanted, still playing. I would lose weekends just having fun playing. Destiny 2 PvP now is exactly like some put it. I only play if there is a bounty, quest, or I'm absolutely bored. I can't even think of a way that would really make the crucible fully enjoyable for me anymore. I'll play regardless because currently nothing really scratches that itch. Amazing video though. I really hope Bungie sees it
Some of the best times I have in PVP is actually private matches with my clan where we go to DIM, randomize our loadout, and then just play a clash or rumble game with whatever we random roll. Super chill, just for kicks, very enjoyable. Highly recommend.
I feel like for the players who dont enjoy crucible, they can go play modes like gambit which is a good mix of both
I think a real easy way that Bungie could pump some life into Survival/Glory short term would be to introduce a glory specific weapon drop in the same style as the other playlist drops. The "twelve perks in each slot", but for a neat bow, for instance. And it should be the case that you could get them even if you're not doing well. And maybe if you're climbing the ranks, you can get adept drops of that, and even the other crucible weapons. It would definitely buy them some time to dig into the roots of Crucible's problems, I think.
I missed the question posts but happy to chime in if you're still taking opinions.
My biggest issue is twofold between cheaters/account recoveries, and ability CDs. First part I think speaks for itself, everyone knows what issues they cause. As for abilities, it kinda feels like everything is trying to be Mayhem and abilities just come up too fast. In more competitive matches, it's basically first person to a Super wins for their team. My best solution is to just make it take longer to build abilities, and also probably kill Orbs of Power in PvP. Let one player's prowess reward them individually instead of setting their whole team up to steamroll until the end of the match. I think if PvP was closer to Momentum people would like it more, since it's based primarily on gunplay and skill instead of who stacks the most mods on their armor.
Great vid. It is a bit frustrating that we are still talking about dedicated servers, sword peaking and slow changes to broken things in the meta. I honestly just don’t understand how they’re gonna nerf shotties and 120’s( I agree with the nerf) before they remove sword peaking and geomags. Priorities are not set straight IMO
I think all your videos are well made but this one is my favorite. I think every idea you pointed out would be a great edition to the crucible. Thanks for making this I hope bungie takes a look.
I really appreciate this video so much
As a mainly pve player, the reason I play pve is because you can grind for new weapons. you don't get to try load outs in online and not get instantly shredded by the best loadouts most people abuse. I wish I would be matched ageinst similar skill levels as me and not have to go ageinst people that have 2000hours+ on the game.
I agree with a lot of things that you said. Excellent video and very well thought out.
I would like to see Bungie incorporate some type of weapon system along the BF or CoD line. You unlock the weapon, perks, cammo, and everything else by using it. Anyone can get the weapons if you achieve the specific quest requirements. You can unlock shaders by making specific milestones. This will put everyone on the same page and eliminate the frustration of grinding for specific "rolls"
Maps and game variety is an absolute must. The rest of the meta are manageable via the weapon stuff I mentioned above.
Thank you for touching on Trials. I only tried to get 3 wins but even that was impossible. I’m just a casual player trying to chill and try something new but I absolutely loathe the fact that you have to sweat every cell in your existence just for one win… doesn’t help when you try different weapons instead of running the same hand cannon/shotgun/fusion rifle
This was yesterday on the 10th
I think the other problem for the is running out of space if you think about it they are always running out of room because the game size is to big
I respect this video. I used to play pvp because it was more fun to grind then killing trash mobs because raiding was a 6 man activity in D1 without much of a integrated LFG yet.
Hugely agree with the pinnacle gear point, I really miss grinding for juicer guns
me and my friends were just talking about how did bungie go from halo pvp to this, i use to play infection on halo reach all day but i play one game of control and don't wanna play games anymore
We need maps that are more open or just larger in general. I can’t remember what the game mode was from D1 but it had vehicles and you could summon your sparrow, and it also had bigger maps. That was my favorite because you could snipe, shotgun, use a fusion, sidearm, pulse, hand cannon, scout, auto, basically whatever as long as you had a shred of map knowledge, it was awesome! In my opinion, we need better maps!
I'm a Star Wars Battlefront (2015) Cargo veteran. I'd love to see a similar mode in Destiny.
everything stated here is 100% hitting the nail on the head. . been on board since d1 beta, and I have always felt like we are just a grasp away from that full potential. But we always gain progress then lose that shine in a rapid fashion
I loved trials at the beginning of destiny one definitely my favorite competitive pvp ever. The good ole days
you made some strong points that i agree with. Its gotten to the point where I almost expect bungie to make a good change and then immediately implement some game-breaking exotic or subclass change to put the game back to where its been for a long time. I want pvp to be fun. and that doesn't mean that my guns or abilities need to be more broken or overtuned than someone elses. I have been playing since year 1 Destiny and I want nothing more than for Destiny 2 pvp to be fun and balanced. I feel like it shouldn't be one or the other.
I think what I am missing now, is almost all of the people I used to play with that left when D2 came out half baked. Hasn't really been the same since :/ But the game and pvp is the best it has been within D2
This was a great video man. You put alot of time into this. I miss the forsaken days grinding for Lunas and NF. Trying to get better, growing as a team, just a little better each day, such a great time in D2.