Imagine being said Actium Titan. You keep holding down the trigger, walking around, so the enemies stay back. Then, your teammates flank and ambush them. Then you roll up behind your enemies and mow em down when they try to leave.
@@charidiamandis I’ve been doing this for a while. After a few matches eventually some decided to ignore me. My most notable encounter was somehow who hid behind a rock to avoid dying. I’ve stood there shooting & slightly holding back(so actium refills faster than running out of bullets) for a solid 10 seconds until he gave up & decided to push with a shotgun.
bathroom_snacker i just shotgun actium rig titans b4 they teammates get the chance to flank. they get tunnel visioned out. even if they do see or hear me coming they gone have a hard time turning on controller and if they stop shooting it hurts then as well
It's even funnier when they don't know how to handle Sweet Business anyways, and since no one really uses it, a TON of new lights don't know how to handle it, and then you add auto targeting, double AR reload, and a nice dueling energy weapon, stack on 10 resil and a nice 4-6 recov, then its just death, cause a never ending stream of bullets, and when you get low, barricade, reload, re-engage.
“When using Cerberus+1 you must realize it’s not 1 gun with terrible stats *but 4 auto rifles with terrible stats that you are using.”* - me explaining why I’m a Cerberus+1 main
Cerberus has an excellent TTK, too. I find it hard to agree with its placement in this video, to say the least. But of course, all the perks that were added in Splicer, like Heating Up, were roundly ignored in this roundup too, even though the accuracy increase from it after a kill and better yet two is dramatic, to say the least. I wouldn't consider this list definitive, personally, it's opinion.
Same. And I don't know if it's just me/my roll or what, but Chroma Rush reminds me so much of the Steelfeather Repeater with the way it handles and to me, it feels good. I haven't swapped off of it since I got my feeding frenzy/rampage roll
“These guns are terribly mediocre at best. Their archetypes aren’t generally the best and these are some of the worst examples of guns within these archetypes, alongside having bad perks. Thus, they belong in the ‘above average’ tier.”
@@wheelmindedivan6182 LOL exactly "these are a bad archetype and have poor perks and stat rolls, but the optics are nice so B tier" Gimme the hot takes I need a bell curve of C tiers and more lower.
Perhaps a Side arm tier list? with the shotgun nerf side arms have definitely become a-bit more usable and it would be great to know Which ones are best.
Ok, I wish that Hardlight would get a version of Elemental Capacitor as a Catalyst, where depending on the element you're on would give a different buff to the gun. Would create an interesting dynamic of switching to different elements for different situations.
Sweet business is pretty effective, yes it gives away your position but they're gonna be challenging an overshield titan with crystal damage resistance, good luck
@@JManners10 it's not really a PvP weapon tho, it's really good in PvP still, I get his point, it's safer to use suros or the summoner or something but it's still worth using sweet business
Sweet business is an easy A to S tier for Titans using actium war rig. Spin that joint up and you get 30 seconds of never ending bullets not counting ammo pickups.
You literally can't be flinched when using its masterworked version and you can use it for suppressive/oppressive fire. In fact it has more RANGE than SUROS and other exotic autos. Also Tigerspite gained Outlaw and Kill Clip back. But even so, a Rangefinder roll slaps everywhere. The hit registration with Rangefinder is UNBELIEVABLE.
@@robbybobby4373 Think if it like an smg that can shoot longer ranges it’s amazing and easily better than what he’s giving credit for then again it’s his tier list so his opinion
Nah, he was definitely on point with the arguments, the range where is effective can get two tapped by a precision/lightweight shotgun faster or melted by an SMG or 720 AR.
@@FcoEnriquePerez The center barrel is always accurate, and it builds back up to high impact damage at range, so you can use it like a regular auto rifle until they get close. Don't know why people don't know that and only use it as a shotgun.
Update: Yes Vex is S tier now lol Whoops Missed Horror Story... probably C tier like most other 450s. What's your favorite Auto Rifle? Watch this next: Pulse Rifle PvP Tier List Rankings (Destiny 2) ruclips.net/video/z2LZNs2gdOI/видео.html
Pattycakes...it is amazing to me to see you NOT discuss at length the subsistence/rampage roll of the chroma rush and gnawing hunger...but as you'll find in the comments, you're still the champ
I use Suros pretty regularly, I'd have to check again but I think the slower shot setting also increases damage, in addition to the damage increase in the bottom half of the mag.
Monte Carlo is stupid fun imo. Ophidia spathe + way of a thousand cuts just lets you spam throwing knives for days. I use it a ton in pvp and pve, but I just wish it had a catalyst.
In the very beginning my all time favorite auto rifle was Valakadyn. I used that sucker 24/7 until it was unusable before a lot of the guns became sunsetted.
Damn you really did Sweet Business dirty. One of the best PvP streaks I was ever on was because I was an Actium Titan with Sweet Business. Find a corner, pop a rally barrier, and fire for the next 5 minutes and either suppress the opposing team while my teammates flank them, or melt them like ice cream because I'm too Resilient to die first.
Great vid! Lately, my favorite pvp auto rifle has been a blue weapon = Ros Lysis II w/ Dynamic Sway reduction. It melts people at close to medium ranges. My long range auto rifle choice has been sunset, but I will never dismantle it = Halfdan D w/ Dynamic Sway Reduction & Rampage! Both of these with Actium War Rig catch a lot of people off guard in the crucible.
I'd love to see a scout tier list! I know scouts aren't exactly meta but I've loved them since D1 & I hope to see them returned to their former glory one day
Can we agree that Dual Speed Reciever on Suros Regime needs a range buff? It has noticeably worse range and bloom than all the other 360rpm autos. Edit: I should also add that Suros has been my favorite exotic since Y1 of D1, but I've never liked Spinning Up. I like the slower firerate, so it sucks it isn't very good.
When I started playing D2, It was the festival of the lost 2020. I had no clue how things worked in terms of getting gear and I didn’t know what a god roll term was. But I did spend time trying to get the Braytech Werewolf and was so happy when I did. I used it for a long time and even tho I don’t use it anywhere as much now, I personally loved how the curated roll felt.
Braytech werewolf/winter wolf is my joint favourite auto along with the scathelocke great guns and tons of fun to use... i took my werewolf into normal cruicible and was surprised that i was slaying with it so maybe give it a try again sometime.
@@Ridox117 the curated can also be pulled from collections if its needs to be a higher power level which is good. Mine was high impact reserved and kill clip was a monster but sadly it got sunset... i think it will come out this halloween though with new perks so that will be something to try and get again.
I kinda already knew how much I liked certain ARs (Gnawing Hunger, Chroma Rush), but hearing someone eloquently explain why they are so solid was very cathartic :D
Good summation although I urge you to try a forward path with flared magwell, feeding frenzy and multi kill clip if you haven't already. Definitely A tier.
Honestly Forward path has a couple great dueling rolls too. Iron grip, 4th Times, and scopes. It's literally the best ranged Auto in PvP. The counter balance makes it perfect. But it's his opinion I guess. I really like The Forward Path.
@@jacobruiter592 It's definitely a "feel" type weapon. If you persist with it, it becomes very consistent. Agree with the short zoom scopes! Such clean sight lines.
I've got some awesome rolls including some interesting perk combinations that I've yet to try. I've got a dynamic sway, iron grip With steady rounds and stability mw. I've been itching to try it out, with dynamic sway active I'm looking at 97 stability and 86 handling.
Great vid, still watching through it, but you forgot to add horror story from festival of the lost, I would judge it's curated roll btw, it's the best by far
I have one from last year, it’s a pretty good workhorse gun, subsistence demo is great for PvE, and I got lucky enough to snag a Tap the Trigger+Dynamic Sway Reduction roll for the Braytech.
Tommy's Matchbook is so so good looking that I felt in love with it and practice my butt off to get used to it. It was super worth! One of the most rewarding and fun weapon in pvp!
I feel like Age Old bond should be higher. There's a couple innate things about high impacts that are really good in this meta: they can outrange 140s, and cause MASSIVE amounts of flinch. these things throw off snipers and handcannon users due to the sheer flinch at range they just aren't expecting.
Shadow Price and the Number can reach those ranges as well. I found it strange that it was a negative that False Promises couldn't use its range, but a positive that Summoner had Rangefinder that increases its zoom by 10% (16 to 17 basically). In a head to head, even with the increased range from rangefinder, Summoner would be ghosted by 450s and 360s.
Thing that gets me with the age old bond is that I "have" to have another close range weapon when it comes to killing up close, because from far off its so fun to use.
Great list! SUROS is *definitely* the best auto rifle currently available IMO. And I don't think Sweet Business really deserves F-Tier, it's definitely at least low-C, but otherwise as a constant auto rifle user this is a good summary. I'm surprised you ranked Tommy's so high. Forward Path should also definitely be B tier, it's a kinetic Summoner IMO.
When Trials first came back, I got the Summoner I wanted right away. Moving Target and Rangefinder. It was the first gun since Not Forgotten that made me confident that if I took a 1v1 duel, I was guaranteed the win. Definitely my favourite auto. Chroma is also super good. Snagged one with Heating Up, Tap the Trigger and a stability masterwork. Absolute laser.
Favorite legendary: Gnawing Hunger Favorite exotic: Tied with Cerberus and Hard Light Now, y’all have to admit that the Ros Lysis is REALLY good for a blue weapon.
Hardlight changing elements is actually useful. Depending on the maps lighting it has more of a blinding effect. Dark colored maps like titans wormhaven are great for arc and solar
Great video as always! Just adding for anyone reading the comments that Arctic Haze, The Summoner, Tommy's Matchbook, Vex Mythoclast and Hard Light pair well with Burning Steps, the Titan leg Exotic that gives a 20% damage buff for 10 seconds after getting 2 Solar energy weapon kills. It helps all those weapons I listed significantly in 6v6 gameplay if you start going on a spree.
Big thanks to Bungie for bringing us Chroma Rush, it feels so good to use. The only ranking I would place higher is The Forward Path. Also, you forgot horror story but it's basically a worse version of the Werewolf so oh well.
YESDD. Did auto rifles are my favorite. Suros has been my favorite weapon ever since destiny 1. I have 25,000+ pvp kills on my Suros in destiny 2 after I master worked it
Turned this off once I saw Cerberus is D Tier. It is A Tier at least! Specifically cause all the dumb things he placed in B Tier. The placement of these autos and their Tiers makes no sense.
Still, comparing the stats or not, the SMG literally can get to 30ms while the AR can't, I think there's no fast firing AR that can get to 30ms. They need a range buff.
Hard Lights uses for different elements in pvp Void - Nezeracs Sin Arc - Breaking heir apparent Solar - Firewalker boots on Titan Also Mantle of battle harmony on any subclass And also bounties.
You said that the seventh seraph at is the ak 47 of Destiny. That’s not exactly true. It does look slightly like one, but the gnawing hunter is much closer in appearance to an ak.
I used 450 rpm auto rifles like Hazard of the Cast to good effect in PVP. The trick isn't to treat them like full auto assault rifles but as pseudo-lmg's. The low rate of fire gives you a long period of fire between reloads. The way to best use them is to park yourself where you have a decent amount of cover that gives you a good field of fire or somewhere that restricts your opponent's movement like a hallway. Spray suppressing fire to make opponents think twice about trying to get to a control zone.
Imo Foward Path Should be A tier once you get the right rolls plus after using the gun for an extended period of time you get used to the muzzle flash.
Monte Carlo is S++ tier, it's an absolute stat monster of a 600, and 600 is the sweet spot of fire rates. Getting Swashbuckler, Graverobber, and melee only super wellspring you create a weapon where every facet is pointed in the same direction, and it's such a reliable corner-store for so many builds. It has all the hallmarks of a great utility weapon, but it also feeds itself into lethality. No auto fully compares to its base stats (they might exceed in one stat but will always fail to live up to the full stat line), and the perks reinforce upfront playstyles in a way nothing else does.
Cool drinking game idea, take a shot every time he says clean aesthetic! All jokes aside, great video! Im horrible at crucible but the info helps out a ton, thank you!
Yep, auto loading holster+kill clip and pair it with witherhoard, not to mention the only 720 with high cal rounds. S tier for sure. One of the best sights aswell
The destiny i play must be completely different than what you play. Every Sweet Business titan i see(myself included) run builds entirely centered around the weapon with overshields, max resilience, bubbles the whole shebang and unless your in a 3+ vs 1 you're almost guaranteed to fully spin up and melt whatever is in your way.
If you were to make another one of these videos I feel like either a scout rifle tier list or pulse rifle tier list would be nice :) Good work on these videos as well, keep up the good work!
@@PattycakesGaming I didn't see that until now thank you, and if this does help at all, I feel like scout rifles may be a better option as there are more of them compared to non sunset smgs, also I know of many people (such as cool cheese) who have gone through SMG tier lists already. But either way ill still watch and enjoy
I have a video idea! Maybe you can go over every weapon's play style. Probably like "Sidearms are better for medium range whilst Scouts are better for further ranges."
I never understood the complaints about muzzle flash on the forward path. Might be different on PC, but I never even noticed muzzle flash until people started losing their minds about it when it first dropped. I used to use it with dsr and iron grip with a long range scope, so I didn't have any problems with recoil. It was an absolute laser beam for me, and I remember being able to even challenge long lanes like mid in fortress with it back in the auto rifle meta days (which I actually preferred over the hand cannon meta). Forward path and my high cal kill clip galliard got me my first legend rank in comp.
I know sunset weapons are out of the question here. But an auto rifle I still use is Null Calamity 9. Void, 600 RPM. The perks aren't that great, but that gun still hits for par, and I love it. You guys should give it a try if you have it in your collections.
Sweet Business is without a doubt a top seed. In fact, I think it’s an easy T-tier. What is T tier? This is a unique tier, the ‘T’ stands for “traveler”. This implies that if the traveler had hands it would use the Sweet Business.
Sweet business I would at least say is C tier. As long as you can get around the low rate of fire i.e. right before jumping around a corner start that spin process and you're winning almost every duel. A key factor in any auto fight is to crouch mid fight to increase your chances if winning that duel. I main with sweet and have almost 13k kills with it
I agree with you list except for the Forward Path c ranking. I got mime during the first banner it was released. It had red dot micro, flared magwell, dynamic sway reduction, iron grip, and a reload master work. That auto is the most consistent and reliable 600 I have ever used and I plaid during the auto rifle meta. To this day I use that gun and have over 28,000 kills with it.
wonder if you would count Vex Mythoclast because it technically is a 360 Auto Rifle but it is a fusion rifle but when you switch to the charged mode, it's a Linear Fusion (edit: no worries I saw it in the video)
My Gnawing Hunger has Auto-Loading on it and I run Actium pretty often. It also has extended mag on it, so imagine hearing a GH in a hallway for about 5-7 seconds of sustained fire and then when you go to peek, you get shredded by uet another auto rifle. What auto you may ask? The slow-firing blue one, unironically. Almost immediately after that, it's back to the GH. Also, nice seeing Monte up in A
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16:13 "They'll simply wait for you to run out of bullets before peeking."
Actium War Rig Titans - "haha, funny joke"
Imagine being said Actium Titan. You keep holding down the trigger, walking around, so the enemies stay back. Then, your teammates flank and ambush them. Then you roll up behind your enemies and mow em down when they try to leave.
@@charidiamandis I’ve been doing this for a while. After a few matches eventually some decided to ignore me. My most notable encounter was somehow who hid behind a rock to avoid dying. I’ve stood there shooting & slightly holding back(so actium refills faster than running out of bullets) for a solid 10 seconds until he gave up & decided to push with a shotgun.
bathroom_snacker i just shotgun actium rig titans b4 they teammates get the chance to flank. they get tunnel visioned out. even if they do see or hear me coming they gone have a hard time turning on controller and if they stop shooting it hurts then as well
It's even funnier when they don't know how to handle Sweet Business anyways, and since no one really uses it, a TON of new lights don't know how to handle it, and then you add auto targeting, double AR reload, and a nice dueling energy weapon, stack on 10 resil and a nice 4-6 recov, then its just death, cause a never ending stream of bullets, and when you get low, barricade, reload, re-engage.
😂😂 so true lmao
“When using Cerberus+1 you must realize it’s not 1 gun with terrible stats *but 4 auto rifles with terrible stats that you are using.”*
- me explaining why I’m a Cerberus+1 main
Cerberus+1 is pretty good if your aim aint cheat like and your game sense aint profesional.
Cerberus has an excellent TTK, too. I find it hard to agree with its placement in this video, to say the least. But of course, all the perks that were added in Splicer, like Heating Up, were roundly ignored in this roundup too, even though the accuracy increase from it after a kill and better yet two is dramatic, to say the least. I wouldn't consider this list definitive, personally, it's opinion.
"Its an automatic shotgun" is also a viable answer
@@extectic .33 ttk is not an excellent TTK, it's quite literally the fastest base primary TTK in the game.
@@mountainman2068 but the likelihood of actually getting that TTK is not great. The gun is fun, but very inconsistent.
Well that Mythoclast ranking seems to have aged like fine milk.
Exactly i get bodied with it all the time
Vex milk
vex with the c
@@iraluvet croom
does vex coom age badly?
Came to see where Chroma Rush ended up. Was not disappointed.
Same.
And I don't know if it's just me/my roll or what, but Chroma Rush reminds me so much of the Steelfeather Repeater with the way it handles and to me, it feels good.
I haven't swapped off of it since I got my feeding frenzy/rampage roll
My roll doesn't even have any damage perks it's just moving target + TTT & it's still goated
720’s poppin off. Where my Misfit fans at? ;)
Subsistence + Rampage on Croma rush feels like Breakneck back in the day.
@@VladShpiro right here misfitsganggggg
Nobody:
The first few guns:
*“Where are we gonna place this? That’s right. The B tier.”*
“These guns are terribly mediocre at best. Their archetypes aren’t generally the best and these are some of the worst examples of guns within these archetypes, alongside having bad perks. Thus, they belong in the ‘above average’ tier.”
@@wheelmindedivan6182 Cerberus slaps on all of them.
thats what i'm saying, then throws the Cerberus in the D tier??!!!
@@bradleywilliams9225 sweet buiz is also underrated bc the ttk when ramped is so fast
@@wheelmindedivan6182 LOL exactly "these are a bad archetype and have poor perks and stat rolls, but the optics are nice so B tier"
Gimme the hot takes I need a bell curve of C tiers and more lower.
Yeah I don't give a single fuck how "bad" cerb is
I love the gun more than any other auto.
Same bro I’ve got like 2k kills in pvp with it. I run it with a disruption break gl and those bullets crit for like 45.
@@colindavis3363 nice one man
I usually run it with sniper usually since cerb feels like a SG
Cos it reminds me of the universal remote/longbow days.
Perhaps a Side arm tier list? with the shotgun nerf side arms have definitely become a-bit more usable and it would be great to know Which ones are best.
Facts, they feel usable now.
I’ve been seeing a lot of fusion rifles lately.
Bruh ratking is 100% S tier
Doesn’t chaperone have the same range as sidearms though?
drang s tier
Ok, I wish that Hardlight would get a version of Elemental Capacitor as a Catalyst, where depending on the element you're on would give a different buff to the gun. Would create an interesting dynamic of switching to different elements for different situations.
I like that idea
I agree with you hard light is my favorite auto rifle
That would be very interesting.
Bro got a job at Bungie
Thank you for giving tommy the credit he deserves, absolutely fantastic weapon no matter the input method.
Pattycakes: "Smart players will wait until you're out of bullets"
Actium War Rig Sweet Business God Mains: "I'd like to see you outsmart a bullet"
Sorry for necroing a year old comment but actium war rig gives you 32 seconds worth of bullets.
@@Salmon_Toastie if you keep it full rev but dont spin through all of the ammo you can make it last basically indefinitely
As a Cerberus main...... I’m deeply offended by something I completely agree with
Sweet business is pretty effective, yes it gives away your position but they're gonna be challenging an overshield titan with crystal damage resistance, good luck
A true titan of culture
Unless there is a heir user..
Sweet business deserves the “S”weet tier.
In general its definitely not an F, I'd say more si a C or a B
@@cheesybeans9476 A
@@peabrain6872 after the new "buff" thanks to the infinite kinetic, definitely
@@cheesybeans9476 exactly what I was thinking... Especially when you can wear war rig and just shoot for ever
@@JManners10 it's not really a PvP weapon tho, it's really good in PvP still, I get his point, it's safer to use suros or the summoner or something but it's still worth using sweet business
I've been waiting for this for so long :)
Sweet business with the War rig titan exotic is a blast in both PvP and PvE
Yassssssss the Tier list series is back!!!
GO PATTYCAKES GO! ❤️
Sweet business is an easy A to S tier for Titans using actium war rig. Spin that joint up and you get 30 seconds of never ending bullets not counting ammo pickups.
You literally can't be flinched when using its masterworked version and you can use it for suppressive/oppressive fire. In fact it has more RANGE than SUROS and other exotic autos. Also Tigerspite gained Outlaw and Kill Clip back. But even so, a Rangefinder roll slaps everywhere. The hit registration with Rangefinder is UNBELIEVABLE.
Doing my man cerberus dirty, that thing was a shotgun ape destroyer and after the nerf i bet its better.
Exactly bro Cerberus is easily my fav
Hmmm... I never once thought about using the Cerberus to counter shotguns in medium/close range. I might try that.
@@robbybobby4373 Think if it like an smg that can shoot longer ranges it’s amazing and easily better than what he’s giving credit for then again it’s his tier list so his opinion
@@robbybobby4373 it also destroys stasis crystals
It's been one of my favorite weapons to use post nerf. It makes chappy mains think about their actions
Severely underrating Cerberus imo, especially after the shotgun nerf, good list overall tho
It’s good with one shot then bottom tree striker melee
Still a C tier exotic
Nah, he was definitely on point with the arguments, the range where is effective can get two tapped by a precision/lightweight shotgun faster or melted by an SMG or 720 AR.
@@crime_dog27 agreed
@@FcoEnriquePerez The center barrel is always accurate, and it builds back up to high impact damage at range, so you can use it like a regular auto rifle until they get close. Don't know why people don't know that and only use it as a shotgun.
Update: Yes Vex is S tier now lol
Whoops Missed Horror Story... probably C tier like most other 450s. What's your favorite Auto Rifle?
Watch this next: Pulse Rifle PvP Tier List Rankings (Destiny 2) ruclips.net/video/z2LZNs2gdOI/видео.html
Haha first comment
Pattycakes...it is amazing to me to see you NOT discuss at length the subsistence/rampage roll of the chroma rush and gnawing hunger...but as you'll find in the comments, you're still the champ
my least favorite is hard light bc it has terrible body shot damage and my most favorite is ceberis+1 bc it has 2 specialties
The forward path
G.Hunger, Summoner/ Suros , Chroma Rush , also can we get a SmG tier list
I use Suros pretty regularly, I'd have to check again but I think the slower shot setting also increases damage, in addition to the damage increase in the bottom half of the mag.
Give more respect to sweet business. Top tier 6v6 weapon! It melts people in their supers, high cal bullets, actium war rig.
For me the Monte is a S tier for 2 reasons, one I just find it super easy to use for me and 2 it shares the name of one of my favourite biscuits
Monte Carlo is stupid fun imo. Ophidia spathe + way of a thousand cuts just lets you spam throwing knives for days. I use it a ton in pvp and pve, but I just wish it had a catalyst.
@@mariokartwii6663 that sounds amazing! 😂
Biscuits? So not the classic car under the same name?
I'd like to see a Scout Rifle tier list... especially post nerf to DMT
Still love the DMT. One of my favorite weapons currently.
@@robbybobby4373 DMT isn't a scout, It's a hand cannon that lengthened it's barrel using the select tool.
Dmt, is a guaranteed S tier.
And everything else? Either b or d
@@arakemi1080 Imo vision of confluence deserves at least an a tier
@@hitherez_2925 it does, but transfiguration diserves some praise, for it is very good for a high impact
In the very beginning my all time favorite auto rifle was Valakadyn. I used that sucker 24/7 until it was unusable before a lot of the guns became sunsetted.
What is sunsetting?
@@killersparky4044 deleting old content
Damn you really did Sweet Business dirty. One of the best PvP streaks I was ever on was because I was an Actium Titan with Sweet Business. Find a corner, pop a rally barrier, and fire for the next 5 minutes and either suppress the opposing team while my teammates flank them, or melt them like ice cream because I'm too Resilient to die first.
Great vid! Lately, my favorite pvp auto rifle has been a blue weapon = Ros Lysis II w/ Dynamic Sway reduction. It melts people at close to medium ranges. My long range auto rifle choice has been sunset, but I will never dismantle it = Halfdan D w/ Dynamic Sway Reduction & Rampage! Both of these with Actium War Rig catch a lot of people off guard in the crucible.
Thank you for this! I use to play destiny so much then got bored and went to other games, I’ve recently come back and man have I missed so much
Gotta pair sweet business up with Actium War Rig so even in pvp you’re letting loose 300-400 rounds before you gotta reload or death ☠️
I'd love to see a scout tier list! I know scouts aren't exactly meta but I've loved them since D1 & I hope to see them returned to their former glory one day
Can we agree that Dual Speed Reciever on Suros Regime needs a range buff? It has noticeably worse range and bloom than all the other 360rpm autos.
Edit: I should also add that Suros has been my favorite exotic since Y1 of D1, but I've never liked Spinning Up. I like the slower firerate, so it sucks it isn't very good.
When I started playing D2, It was the festival of the lost 2020. I had no clue how things worked in terms of getting gear and I didn’t know what a god roll term was. But I did spend time trying to get the Braytech Werewolf and was so happy when I did. I used it for a long time and even tho I don’t use it anywhere as much now, I personally loved how the curated roll felt.
Braytech werewolf/winter wolf is my joint favourite auto along with the scathelocke great guns and tons of fun to use... i took my werewolf into normal cruicible and was surprised that i was slaying with it so maybe give it a try again sometime.
@@DRAKLOR_44 after watching a video ZK did and this one, I may just do that. I have the curated roll so it’s a solid one too!
@@Ridox117 the curated can also be pulled from collections if its needs to be a higher power level which is good. Mine was high impact reserved and kill clip was a monster but sadly it got sunset... i think it will come out this halloween though with new perks so that will be something to try and get again.
@@DRAKLOR_44 yea there’s a ton of new good perks so hopefully they bring back the rifle too
I kinda already knew how much I liked certain ARs (Gnawing Hunger, Chroma Rush), but hearing someone eloquently explain why they are so solid was very cathartic :D
Good summation although I urge you to try a forward path with flared magwell, feeding frenzy and multi kill clip if you haven't already. Definitely A tier.
Honestly Forward path has a couple great dueling rolls too. Iron grip, 4th Times, and scopes. It's literally the best ranged Auto in PvP. The counter balance makes it perfect.
But it's his opinion I guess. I really like The Forward Path.
@@jacobruiter592 It's definitely a "feel" type weapon. If you persist with it, it becomes very consistent. Agree with the short zoom scopes! Such clean sight lines.
I've got some awesome rolls including some interesting perk combinations that I've yet to try. I've got a dynamic sway, iron grip With steady rounds and stability mw. I've been itching to try it out, with dynamic sway active I'm looking at 97 stability and 86 handling.
The Forward Path is one of my go-to weapons. He did it dirty in this review, lol.
The point he’s making is that for the current sandbox, why would one use the best ranged auto when u can use a pulse instead for ranged 1v1s?
Great vid, still watching through it, but you forgot to add horror story from festival of the lost, I would judge it's curated roll btw, it's the best by far
I have one from last year, it’s a pretty good workhorse gun, subsistence demo is great for PvE, and I got lucky enough to snag a Tap the Trigger+Dynamic Sway Reduction roll for the Braytech.
I was very happy to see gnawing hunger in S tier, I have used it since it came out and I have not dismantled any
"I'll rank Cerberus down in the D Tier"
welp good day to you sir, I hope the bowl of cereal you have for breakfast is soggy.
🤣 I hope your oven is on when you leave the house
(I walso use Cerberus)
I’m stealing that very passive aggressive insult, so thank you.
FYI Braytech Warewolf and Horror Story can be picked up from collections, they're rolls aren't half bad so if you want to try them, yeah, you can.
Tommy's Matchbook is so so good looking that I felt in love with it and practice my butt off to get used to it. It was super worth! One of the most rewarding and fun weapon in pvp!
Sweet business “players will wait till you run out of bullets” *laughs in actium war rig*
*Laughs in 400hp stasis tank build with sweet business*
Laughs in 6 stack actium war rig bubble titans.
I pulled my Misfit outta the vault and have been having a great time with it. So sadge is sunset.
I feel like Age Old bond should be higher. There's a couple innate things about high impacts that are really good in this meta: they can outrange 140s, and cause MASSIVE amounts of flinch. these things throw off snipers and handcannon users due to the sheer flinch at range they just aren't expecting.
Shadow Price and the Number can reach those ranges as well. I found it strange that it was a negative that False Promises couldn't use its range, but a positive that Summoner had Rangefinder that increases its zoom by 10% (16 to 17 basically). In a head to head, even with the increased range from rangefinder, Summoner would be ghosted by 450s and 360s.
Thing that gets me with the age old bond is that I "have" to have another close range weapon when it comes to killing up close, because from far off its so fun to use.
Bruh you lost some credibility ranking cerberus like that
One of the worst guns ever
@@115zombies935 1v1 me
Oh wait, you can't, cause I'd be using cerberus - that's like a 5v1
@@Zurrke You’re right, and you would be the 1. It would be cruel to 1v1 a poor Cerberus user, they’re so harmless it would feel wrong to attack them.
@@115zombies935 damn, thought you'd have a better comeback. Kinda just took my thing and tried to run with it. Better luck next time!
@@Zurrke No comeback here, just the truth. Sorry to the Cerberus users out there, I’ll go easy on you all.
Love these types of vids!
Great list! SUROS is *definitely* the best auto rifle currently available IMO. And I don't think Sweet Business really deserves F-Tier, it's definitely at least low-C, but otherwise as a constant auto rifle user this is a good summary. I'm surprised you ranked Tommy's so high. Forward Path should also definitely be B tier, it's a kinetic Summoner IMO.
When Trials first came back, I got the Summoner I wanted right away. Moving Target and Rangefinder. It was the first gun since Not Forgotten that made me confident that if I took a 1v1 duel, I was guaranteed the win. Definitely my favourite auto.
Chroma is also super good. Snagged one with Heating Up, Tap the Trigger and a stability masterwork. Absolute laser.
Favorite legendary:
Gnawing Hunger
Favorite exotic:
Tied with Cerberus and Hard Light
Now, y’all have to admit that the Ros Lysis is REALLY good for a blue weapon.
I'd love to see a bow tier list for PVP, really just to see your footage 😂
Seconded!
Thirded
saw chroma rush was S tier, went to my vault to find out if I had one. Found a god roll chroma rush
Wow!!!!!
Hardlight changing elements is actually useful. Depending on the maps lighting it has more of a blinding effect. Dark colored maps like titans wormhaven are great for arc and solar
"This gun is completely outclassed by another energy weapon with more range and better perks. This is going in the B tier"
DOG
Great video as always! Just adding for anyone reading the comments that Arctic Haze, The Summoner, Tommy's Matchbook, Vex Mythoclast and Hard Light pair well with Burning Steps, the Titan leg Exotic that gives a 20% damage buff for 10 seconds after getting 2 Solar energy weapon kills. It helps all those weapons I listed significantly in 6v6 gameplay if you start going on a spree.
Big thanks to Bungie for bringing us Chroma Rush, it feels so good to use. The only ranking I would place higher is The Forward Path. Also, you forgot horror story but it's basically a worse version of the Werewolf so oh well.
YESDD. Did auto rifles are my favorite. Suros has been my favorite weapon ever since destiny 1. I have 25,000+ pvp kills on my Suros in destiny 2 after I master worked it
Suros was my first exotic and favorite weapon of all time
the arc logic with surplus on hunter, idk why, feels amazing.
Turned this off once I saw Cerberus is D Tier.
It is A Tier at least!
Specifically cause all the dumb things he placed in B Tier.
The placement of these autos and their Tiers makes no sense.
If you try and user Cerberus against any decent player you will get instantly destroyed lol
"I Ranked Every Auto Rifle in a Tier List"
Horror Story: Am I a joke to you?
I was thinking the same thing
I think Sweet Buisness would agree
Also breakneck
@@winter2934 breakneck is sunset 🤦🏾♂️
@@tragedy1441 fair but it’s in kiosk
Can’t really compare the stats of an auto rifle to an smg other than the damage. The range stats are vastly different
Still, comparing the stats or not, the SMG literally can get to 30ms while the AR can't, I think there's no fast firing AR that can get to 30ms.
They need a range buff.
I absolutely love Cerberus+1. Probably my favorite weapon in the game. I just love how ridiculous it is and it's really fun to use.
I actually really like arctic haze, it just feels so good
Rapid fire autos are always fun. Mainly because they feel like SMGs with more range.
I have a PvE roll with Dragonfly and Sway Reduction and it is a good lost sector clear primary
I have Vorpalweapon and Outlaw
Chroma Rush and Gnawing Hunger are my two favorites. Been using them super consistently for months haha
More of these plz
Hard Lights uses for different elements in pvp
Void - Nezeracs Sin
Arc - Breaking heir apparent
Solar - Firewalker boots on Titan
Also Mantle of battle harmony on any subclass
And also bounties.
You said that the seventh seraph at is the ak 47 of Destiny. That’s not exactly true. It does look slightly like one, but the gnawing hunter is much closer in appearance to an ak.
Definitely not
@@115zombies935 Have you ever held an ak?
@@Lochlannach661 Do you have eyes?
@@115zombies935 yes. My grandpa has one and I’ve shot it. Gnawing hunger is way closer proportionally and shape wise to an ak than seventh seraph
@@Lochlannach661 Not sure what that at all has to do with D2. Still doesn’t look like one.
I used 450 rpm auto rifles like Hazard of the Cast to good effect in PVP. The trick isn't to treat them like full auto assault rifles but as pseudo-lmg's. The low rate of fire gives you a long period of fire between reloads. The way to best use them is to park yourself where you have a decent amount of cover that gives you a good field of fire or somewhere that restricts your opponent's movement like a hallway. Spray suppressing fire to make opponents think twice about trying to get to a control zone.
Imo Foward Path Should be A tier once you get the right rolls plus after using the gun for an extended period of time you get used to the muzzle flash.
Yeah but this list his his opinion, you can make a tier list and put FP A :)
I think I agree, good job. I love my chroma!
"With sweet business, they'll just wait for you to run out of ammo before peeking"
*Laughs in Actium War Rig*
Also, Where's Horror Story?
Monte Carlo is S++ tier, it's an absolute stat monster of a 600, and 600 is the sweet spot of fire rates. Getting Swashbuckler, Graverobber, and melee only super wellspring you create a weapon where every facet is pointed in the same direction, and it's such a reliable corner-store for so many builds. It has all the hallmarks of a great utility weapon, but it also feeds itself into lethality. No auto fully compares to its base stats (they might exceed in one stat but will always fail to live up to the full stat line), and the perks reinforce upfront playstyles in a way nothing else does.
Pattycakes is the champ
Cool drinking game idea, take a shot every time he says clean aesthetic! All jokes aside, great video! Im horrible at crucible but the info helps out a ton, thank you!
I miss Halfdan
My gnawing hunger with zen and rampage is my favorite legendary in Destiny 2. Works great for me in pvp.
Hehehehehe
Vex Mythoclast is arguably the best gun in the gun rn
Reckless Oracle is definitely one of the most slept on weapons in the game right now, it feels great and is super consistent.
Yep, auto loading holster+kill clip and pair it with witherhoard, not to mention the only 720 with high cal rounds. S tier for sure. One of the best sights aswell
Oh this should be fun. If cerberus isn't hi I'm gonna ree
Lol same
The destiny i play must be completely different than what you play. Every Sweet Business titan i see(myself included) run builds entirely centered around the weapon with overshields, max resilience, bubbles the whole shebang and unless your in a 3+ vs 1 you're almost guaranteed to fully spin up and melt whatever is in your way.
Finally!
Idk why i laughed so hard on that titan kill at 24:37 haha
Heh would like to know where you would put Mythoclast now with that buff.
S tier
Seeing gnawing hunger in s makes me so happy, my main auto rifle since i started playing
I have tap the trigger, rampage, and range masterwork on my gnawing hunger and I love it so much
Your channel actually helped me get better at crucible. Keep up the good work!
If you were to make another one of these videos I feel like either a scout rifle tier list or pulse rifle tier list would be nice :)
Good work on these videos as well, keep up the good work!
I did pulse very recently, it's linked in the description. May do SMG or Scouts next :)
@@PattycakesGaming I didn't see that until now thank you, and if this does help at all, I feel like scout rifles may be a better option as there are more of them compared to non sunset smgs, also I know of many people (such as cool cheese) who have gone through SMG tier lists already. But either way ill still watch and enjoy
I'm gonna have to give Tommy another try. I used to like it a lot, but hand cannons are just too fun. I'm gonna try it again tho lol.
I have a great roll on a tigerspite that I love in the crucible! But I would agree that most of the perks leave a lot to be desired
Patty: Starts crapping on Sweet Business.
Also Patty: Is popping of with Sweet Business in the clips.
6:58 Jesus Christ bro that was clean af
I have a video idea! Maybe you can go over every weapon's play style. Probably like "Sidearms are better for medium range whilst Scouts are better for further ranges."
I never understood the complaints about muzzle flash on the forward path. Might be different on PC, but I never even noticed muzzle flash until people started losing their minds about it when it first dropped. I used to use it with dsr and iron grip with a long range scope, so I didn't have any problems with recoil. It was an absolute laser beam for me, and I remember being able to even challenge long lanes like mid in fortress with it back in the auto rifle meta days (which I actually preferred over the hand cannon meta). Forward path and my high cal kill clip galliard got me my first legend rank in comp.
I know sunset weapons are out of the question here. But an auto rifle I still use is Null Calamity 9.
Void, 600 RPM. The perks aren't that great, but that gun still hits for par, and I love it.
You guys should give it a try if you have it in your collections.
i love how you talk about weapons being ok and show clips of absolutely dominating. Goes to show any weapon is viable in the right hands
haha well some guns are a lot easier to get decent clips with. I try to at least have a few entertaining clips per weapon
i love tommys, so glad it got the appreciation it deserves
How can I get this gun in the current season
@@boyhoodwonder8698 monument to lost lights by the vault in the tower
Sweet Business is without a doubt a top seed. In fact, I think it’s an easy T-tier.
What is T tier? This is a unique tier, the ‘T’ stands for “traveler”.
This implies that if the traveler had hands it would use the Sweet Business.
Sweet business I would at least say is C tier. As long as you can get around the low rate of fire i.e. right before jumping around a corner start that spin process and you're winning almost every duel. A key factor in any auto fight is to crouch mid fight to increase your chances if winning that duel. I main with sweet and have almost 13k kills with it
I agree with you list except for the Forward Path c ranking.
I got mime during the first banner it was released. It had red dot micro, flared magwell, dynamic sway reduction, iron grip, and a reload master work.
That auto is the most consistent and reliable 600 I have ever used and I plaid during the auto rifle meta. To this day I use that gun and have over 28,000 kills with it.
wonder if you would count Vex Mythoclast because it technically is a 360 Auto Rifle but it is a fusion rifle but when you switch to the charged mode, it's a Linear Fusion (edit: no worries I saw it in the video)
My Gnawing Hunger has Auto-Loading on it and I run Actium pretty often. It also has extended mag on it, so imagine hearing a GH in a hallway for about 5-7 seconds of sustained fire and then when you go to peek, you get shredded by uet another auto rifle. What auto you may ask? The slow-firing blue one, unironically. Almost immediately after that, it's back to the GH. Also, nice seeing Monte up in A
How do you rate Scathelocke in your list now it’s back? I have a roll with Surplus and Rampage that’s feels really nice