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Yeah just how it goes now unless they find a way to bring people into pvp again everyone has gotten fed up with how much it’s been neglected and moved on.
Only 3 things that were forgotten was the Telesto event and Devil’s Ruin META during Checkmate introduction, and also mentioning how dominant the Tarrabah was
@@colewilliams3621it’s so sad… it was good for 1 week of trials in checkpoint alone. it was a hidden gem for years that i used with heat rises and then it gets nerfed bc of content creators defining the meta as per usual smh
Forsaken era of D2 pvp was honestly the most fun I had ever had. The only thing I would've mentioned within that section is how prominent Dust Rock Blues was. I mean seriously every 6v6 and 3v3 mode I went into, someone was using Dust Rock and either Lunas or NF.
You missed one of the most painful parts of Forsaken, the Lord of Wolves meta. God that thing was everywhere and you would be punished so hard if you didn't use it
One of my favorite metas was the season of opulence era. My go to loadout was beloved, last word, with middle tree nova for handheld super nova and controvers holds.
Spare Rations + Beloved is my most used weapon combination in D2. Deffinitely my favorite time frame, both weapons just felt perfect to use. The sound, the desgin, the snappines in combination with Dragons Shadow. Perfect.
As of right now, this one. Low player base, sweatiest quick play, solo trials is nearly impossible.. go into 6’s to try a new weapon, build, sens settings or anything else is bonkers when you dont have time to think. You just have to sweat and pray. Still fun, it’s just extremely hectic right now.
I definitely remember my eyes widening whenever I’d hear an Arbalest charge up. I think people would do it to send players frantically running for cover even if they didn’t have a shot to take.
You forgot to mention the calling cards you got for playing during the time Prometheus Lense and Lord of Wolves were busted. Still some of my favorite to have equiped.
Man, youre making me miss good ol Redrix and NF in their base states. Also dont forget, we could stow Memento shots until we wanted to use them back in the day too.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the anniversary event, as it (in my eyes) was the best balance we had had between abilities/gunplay… ever subclasses had been nerfed to have specific CDs on their abilities based on impact instead of fixed CDs across the board and we hadn’t gotten subclass 2.0 yet. Guns were all fairly balanced (smgs lol but still) and the new content had so many people playing and objectively having fun. For me this was the golden age :(
One-Eyed Mask Striker Titan w/ Recluse and Mountain Top was the most fun I ever had in Crucible. Absolutely disgusting. Degenerate. Broken. I loved it.
The time period timers you had in the top right werent something I immediately noticed, but were a really neat addition! I quit pvp initially cuz of the mtop+recluse meta, and when I tried it again, it was LotW meta 💀 Needless to say, took me quite a while before I got back into it after that lmao
I think the most fun meta for me was back in season 11 with bastion summoner on a titan with anteus. It was hilarious to mow down supers with anteus deflect plus the bastion. But recently the peacekeeper sniper wasnt bad bc it did take skill. it was night and day difference between a good smg sniper and not.
The best metas were those of medium range weapons with precision weapons on the side (i.e. handcannon/sniper, auto/precision frame shotty). Long-range metas encourage sitting in the back of the map and makes the pvp arena less fun to play. I love it when pulses and scouts get buffs that make them viable options, but not the dominant force.
my favorite meta is the 30th anniversary. everything was pretty well balanced, abilities weren’t spammy, it was just a good time. After the stasis nerfs
Forgot the BL Chaos Reach meta. It got so bad that Bungie reworked the Geomag exotic. The Antaeus Ward meta was pretty annoying too, and they got nerfed as well
Vanilla D2 Meta was good when MIDA wasn't around. Quite enjoyed the longer, skill based gunfights than the ones of Shotgun Sliding, Stompee SMG/Shotgun, Juggernaut Skullfort, Contraverse Nova, and Aim Assist Galore Snipers. They should've stayed in Heavy Slot for PvP only, was much more fun that way when you didn't get one shot spawn killed or curbstomped for not playing broken. I know this is a lonely hill, one I'll be on for eternity
I will happily join you on that hill, sliding and pressing R2/RT once and getting a kill literally requires no skill and is boring. No recoil control, No strafing literally nothing just press shoot once and you’re good
Dont forget that chaperone was so busted because of the wallhacks from spectral blades... and LORD OF WOLVES post nerf in Forsaken! We even got an emblem for playing while Lord of Wolves was... just broken in all matters...
I was away for the forging event of Lightfall, but from what I have heard and seen, it definitely should return as an official thing in some way. It looked great
I don’t mind pvp much right now or the meta. There’s always gonna be annoying stuff but right now getting diamond lanced for my teammate getting shit on in trials def pisses me off.
I hated the Gatekeeper meta when Luna's Howl came forth. It made it harder to play crucible and I would just leave matches cause I would spawn into getting head shot by a luna's howl.
Surprised there's no mention of the 30th Anniversary rebalancing, which was the last time weapons were first and abilities would follow. It was just fun and fair. In hindsight, Bungie did all of that to pave way for Light 3.0, which again put abilities full front.
I loved the part where sidearms finally shined after a small buff, which got partly reversed a couple weeks later. And I thought the Hardlight meta was pretty fun in 6v6 with how goofy it was
30th anniversary was my favorite meta, good balance and population with minimal bs and no SBMM/FTMM. worst meta was gyrfalcon/loreley enabling 1 hit body shot lorenz/arbalest
Initial launch of Nova Warp and Handheld Supernova was the strongest warlocks have ever been in pvp offensively. Arguably, Well-locks are defensive lockdown experts but to me were not as strong as the nova warp times. I don’t feel warlocks have ever been that strong since, and have never had as much of the spotlight with OP builds as Hunters and Titans have over the past 8 years
The best era recently was the post shatterdive nerf pre strand Witch Queen era. No severe outliers in TTK with lots of viable class and loadout options. Now anything other than prismatic clone spam hunter is throwing.
Vanilla D2 was the best. People always say people were camping but i disagree. The maps were big, abilities were balanced, supers were balanced. You also never got 1 shot or cheesed. Most fights were 1v1 and who had better aim won. I still felt HC were the best but all other options were still viable.
I think the dominance of Shatterdive was probably one of the worst eras for the Crucible for me. It was such an oppressive OHK and took way too long to nerf.
I know this is sad but the mida/uriels era was the only real time I enjoyed playing crucible. I have never enjoyed using hand cannons or smgs in crucible and I am tired of them being the only usable options
16:19 It took me so long to get my NF (solo que whoooooooo!!!!) that they nerfed it to the ground :( but with that time stamp, what's sad was the amount of people that would just pay for it, trust me, that BS was everywhere.
Crazy how slow and dry Vanilla Destiny 2 was. If you worsened the graphics, you could convince any non Destiny player that it was early Destiny 1 gameplay.
Played crucible last week with a friend of mine since a long time not playing d2 and we thought we were back in d2 y1. Imo the auto rifle / pulse rifle meta is just not fun at all and made us both say "nope we are not touching crucible again for a while" maybe it's just bc of the low population who knows
I don't mind casual PvP much now. Besides that hunter arc super. And whenever flawless trials players decide it would be fun to curbstomp a casual lobby. Other than that, I don't mind it. Personally would rather be playing pve though.
Mentioning witherhoard of all things but no drb, mindbender, 120s or chaos reach is crazy Especially 120s honestly, they started the transition of hand cannons from being strictly the most fun weapon to be meta to what we have now where it's just wallfucking and teaming 24/7
Things like ntte becoming more and more used in pre wq season, xurgridient, multimach dropping in s12, bastion, citans and so much more is way more impactful than witherhoard
Xirgridient was mentioned but only in wq section and not end of the last shadowkeep season, last weeks of it were plagued but ntte MI In wq he sold a godroll for a second time
People finding out about smgs in the first wq season and leading to like what year and a half-step years hard SMG and barricade meta is also entirely missing/out of place too
The bubble over shield smg titan meta my least favourite and I think was the worst. Having you team or the enemy team just put a bubble up and everyone stares at each other cause they just auto win the round was hilariously bad for a fps game.
I’ve been playing Destiny PvP since the beta and the debut of the Prismatic Hunter was easily the most toxic META in franchise history, til this day it’s still corny but not as bad as when it first came out.
How is it corny though? Every class has their own advantages Hunters are supposed to be the "movement" class when shoulder bash and icarus dash has you into lanes that hunters can't get to at the same pace Not to forget about things like bubble meta, well of radiance, and on hunter the new arc super etc I'm sure why hunters are being blown out of proportion when all classes are guilty of being "unbalanced"
@@valediction9174 I would’ve agreed with you before Subclass 3.0, Hunters were sitting ducks compared to the other classes but Prismatic Hunter did way too much other classes couldn’t really compete with, ofc they finally nerfed Strand clone, Smokes and Solar nades but back then it was overwhelming ability spam and required zero gun skill.
@@LeJunny i agree my friend Post TFS I completely stopped playing crucible because of metas like that It’s a farcry to the actual fun chaotic sandbox Destiny 1 once was
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I liked the meta where I wasn't getting constantly curbstomped
Yeah just how it goes now unless they find a way to bring people into pvp again everyone has gotten fed up with how much it’s been neglected and moved on.
Get better?
Genuine skill issue
sounds like a major skill issue on your end
You mean the one where abilities weren’t the only thing I’ve seen combined with graviton Lance? Man this shit sucks rn.
Only 3 things that were forgotten was the Telesto event and Devil’s Ruin META during Checkmate introduction, and also mentioning how dominant the Tarrabah was
Yeah Telesto would have been good to add, just hard to decide when to add it since it was always breaking the game lol
I miss devil's ruin meta
@@colewilliams3621it’s so sad… it was good for 1 week of trials in checkpoint alone. it was a hidden gem for years that i used with heat rises and then it gets nerfed bc of content creators defining the meta as per usual smh
Forsaken era of D2 pvp was honestly the most fun I had ever had. The only thing I would've mentioned within that section is how prominent Dust Rock Blues was. I mean seriously every 6v6 and 3v3 mode I went into, someone was using Dust Rock and either Lunas or NF.
The Craftening was so stupidly fun, i forgot i was playing destiny 2.
seriously, shoving wrong frames into other wrong frames was hilarious
It definitely should return as an official thing in my opinion
@@adamp6642 like a weekend long event once a year would be great
Least fav? Citan storm nade revoker
Most fav? double primary
I should have included citan revoker, that was an awful meta haha
2 very caked up gamers 😝
You missed one of the most painful parts of Forsaken, the Lord of Wolves meta. God that thing was everywhere and you would be punished so hard if you didn't use it
Watching SpareBenders gameplay makes me real sad. Engagements looked so much more fun. Stompees would still work and you could shoot in the air.
I miss the SpareBenders meta the most, I also miss spectral and Chaperone combos after the hit detection was fixed after forsakens launch.
One of my favorite metas was the season of opulence era. My go to loadout was beloved, last word, with middle tree nova for handheld super nova and controvers holds.
My favorite has got to be the 600 rpm auto meta. That was when i got my first flawless and it was just a good time in general for destiny imo
Omni was before Gyrfalcon, also Khepri’s was another menace during the Void Hunter META. I was super guilty of Lorentz/Invis crutching.
13:58 the ptsd from the era. I still remember. It will go down as the darkest of nights.
Spare Rations + Beloved is my most used weapon combination in D2. Deffinitely my favorite time frame, both weapons just felt perfect to use. The sound, the desgin, the snappines in combination with Dragons Shadow. Perfect.
no mention about igneous hammer? felt like that meta lasted a loooong while and still is relevant today
Prometheus Lens go brrrr. Still have the emblem on
0:35 We used to move that slow!
I don't think I've played as much Crucible as I did during Laser Tag Weekend. Had so much fun with that gun.
As of right now, this one. Low player base, sweatiest quick play, solo trials is nearly impossible.. go into 6’s to try a new weapon, build, sens settings or anything else is bonkers when you dont have time to think. You just have to sweat and pray. Still fun, it’s just extremely hectic right now.
I definitely remember my eyes widening whenever I’d hear an Arbalest charge up. I think people would do it to send players frantically running for cover even if they didn’t have a shot to take.
I enjoyed the OP status of Handheld Supernova with Controverse Hold.
I miss when auto rifles were meta. Hardlight and Suros Regime were my go to during that time.
You have a very relaxing voice bro. I was stressed about something and this video calmed me down. Crazy
You forgot to mention the calling cards you got for playing during the time Prometheus Lense and Lord of Wolves were busted. Still some of my favorite to have equiped.
Man, youre making me miss good ol Redrix and NF in their base states. Also dont forget, we could stow Memento shots until we wanted to use them back in the day too.
I wish we went back to a longer TTK.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the anniversary event, as it (in my eyes) was the best balance we had had between abilities/gunplay… ever subclasses had been nerfed to have specific CDs on their abilities based on impact instead of fixed CDs across the board and we hadn’t gotten subclass 2.0 yet. Guns were all fairly balanced (smgs lol but still) and the new content had so many people playing and objectively having fun. For me this was the golden age :(
One-Eyed Mask Striker Titan w/ Recluse and Mountain Top was the most fun I ever had in Crucible. Absolutely disgusting. Degenerate. Broken. I loved it.
The time period timers you had in the top right werent something I immediately noticed, but were a really neat addition!
I quit pvp initially cuz of the mtop+recluse meta, and when I tried it again, it was LotW meta
💀
Needless to say, took me quite a while before I got back into it after that lmao
Im surprised The Wizened Rebuke with pre-nerf back up plan wasnt mentioned. It was my go to and a pvp monster before erantil.
I liked the Meta where I wasn't getting Frozen all the time and going against some sweat that slides as primary means of transportation with Rose
damn I forgot just how busted omni + lord of wolves meta was lmao
I Still have my original Spare Rations and Beloved, sometimes i took of dust of these weapons and i love then so much!
Uff memories
I think the most fun meta for me was back in season 11 with bastion summoner on a titan with anteus. It was hilarious to mow down supers with anteus deflect plus the bastion. But recently the peacekeeper sniper wasnt bad bc it did take skill. it was night and day difference between a good smg sniper and not.
The best metas were those of medium range weapons with precision weapons on the side (i.e. handcannon/sniper, auto/precision frame shotty). Long-range metas encourage sitting in the back of the map and makes the pvp arena less fun to play. I love it when pulses and scouts get buffs that make them viable options, but not the dominant force.
my favorite meta is the 30th anniversary. everything was pretty well balanced, abilities weren’t spammy, it was just a good time. After the stasis nerfs
Forgot the BL Chaos Reach meta. It got so bad that Bungie reworked the Geomag exotic. The Antaeus Ward meta was pretty annoying too, and they got nerfed as well
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Great throwback and Nostalgia in this video enjoyed it! GG's ❤
Crazy how physically different the graphics used to look like back then to now
Vanilla D2 Meta was good when MIDA wasn't around. Quite enjoyed the longer, skill based gunfights than the ones of Shotgun Sliding, Stompee SMG/Shotgun, Juggernaut Skullfort, Contraverse Nova, and Aim Assist Galore Snipers. They should've stayed in Heavy Slot for PvP only, was much more fun that way when you didn't get one shot spawn killed or curbstomped for not playing broken. I know this is a lonely hill, one I'll be on for eternity
lol a 4 tap HC can never be good ...
I will happily join you on that hill, sliding and pressing R2/RT once and getting a kill literally requires no skill and is boring. No recoil control, No strafing literally nothing just press shoot once and you’re good
If anything the d1 meta with special ammo was the best
Dont forget that chaperone was so busted because of the wallhacks from spectral blades... and LORD OF WOLVES post nerf in Forsaken! We even got an emblem for playing while Lord of Wolves was... just broken in all matters...
I was away for the forging event of Lightfall, but from what I have heard and seen, it definitely should return as an official thing in some way. It looked great
Miss some of these maps!
I don’t mind pvp much right now or the meta. There’s always gonna be annoying stuff but right now getting diamond lanced for my teammate getting shit on in trials def pisses me off.
I never see diamond lances but then again I don't play trials much. I don't think it's op since you have to get an ability kill to get it
I hope they bring back the old raids like the leavithan
Mountaintop and recluse man what a time to be alive
I hated the Gatekeeper meta when Luna's Howl came forth. It made it harder to play crucible and I would just leave matches cause I would spawn into getting head shot by a luna's howl.
'Alone as a god' is such a badass name
Surprised there's no mention of the 30th Anniversary rebalancing, which was the last time weapons were first and abilities would follow. It was just fun and fair.
In hindsight, Bungie did all of that to pave way for Light 3.0, which again put abilities full front.
I swear the amount of time I get slapped around by a sweaty titan with conditional finality in pvp always makes my blood boil.
I loved the part where sidearms finally shined after a small buff, which got partly reversed a couple weeks later. And I thought the Hardlight meta was pretty fun in 6v6 with how goofy it was
We just gonna forget about the two-tap Igneous Hammer meta huh
Shitguns and Fusions back into the heavy slot for PvP would instantly make it more enjoyable
30th anniversary was my favorite meta, good balance and population with minimal bs and no SBMM/FTMM. worst meta was gyrfalcon/loreley enabling 1 hit body shot lorenz/arbalest
Movement really defines the meta now and has for years.
nostalgia........ OVERLOAD!!!!!!
30th anniversary was the best pvp meta imo
Initial launch of Nova Warp and Handheld Supernova was the strongest warlocks have ever been in pvp offensively. Arguably, Well-locks are defensive lockdown experts but to me were not as strong as the nova warp times.
I don’t feel warlocks have ever been that strong since, and have never had as much of the spotlight with OP builds as Hunters and Titans have over the past 8 years
The best era recently was the post shatterdive nerf pre strand Witch Queen era. No severe outliers in TTK with lots of viable class and loadout options. Now anything other than prismatic clone spam hunter is throwing.
I still have and use my gnawing hunger.
least favorite: Invis hunter/spectre spam
favorite: 30th anniversary sandbox updates
At like 10:00 Polaris Lance > Vigilance Wing.
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Vanilla D2 was the best. People always say people were camping but i disagree. The maps were big, abilities were balanced, supers were balanced. You also never got 1 shot or cheesed. Most fights were 1v1 and who had better aim won. I still felt HC were the best but all other options were still viable.
I miss shotgun behemoth titan before it got nerfed into non existence in the crucible
I think the dominance of Shatterdive was probably one of the worst eras for the Crucible for me. It was such an oppressive OHK and took way too long to nerf.
Damn no top tree dawn blade mentioned
I know this is sad but the mida/uriels era was the only real time I enjoyed playing crucible. I have never enjoyed using hand cannons or smgs in crucible and I am tired of them being the only usable options
Holy shit you’re alive
Haha yeah just been taking a break for a while. Haven't been playing as much D2 lately so I've been exploring some other hobbies
@ glad you’re doing your thing I was rewatching some old videos of yours earlier today.
@ I started a golf YT channel last year and have been putting most of my time into that now, with how D2 has been trending lol
i just checked my vault and still has that erentil with backup plan :|
16:19 It took me so long to get my NF (solo que whoooooooo!!!!) that they nerfed it to the ground :( but with that time stamp, what's sad was the amount of people that would just pay for it, trust me, that BS was everywhere.
Just buying accounts?
@@KingGrippy buying recovs, paying someone to get on your account and get it for you, via smurfing with there group, or using cheets
@Ryder42 😭
Seeing what PvP used to be vs what it is now I’m glad I dropped this game because wtf am I seeing 😂 35:09
Crazy how slow and dry Vanilla Destiny 2 was. If you worsened the graphics, you could convince any non Destiny player that it was early Destiny 1 gameplay.
Played crucible last week with a friend of mine since a long time not playing d2 and we thought we were back in d2 y1. Imo the auto rifle / pulse rifle meta is just not fun at all and made us both say "nope we are not touching crucible again for a while" maybe it's just bc of the low population who knows
I think you forgot the Titan barricade meta…
I don't mind casual PvP much now. Besides that hunter arc super. And whenever flawless trials players decide it would be fun to curbstomp a casual lobby. Other than that, I don't mind it. Personally would rather be playing pve though.
Forsaken and shadow keep best destiny 2 pvp eras. Havnt really touched it since and when I do it’s just a mess.
I have the claymore... but they will probably bring it back for nostalgia click thru, like htey did with the then pinnacle weapon Lunas Howl.... :-/
I still have ptsd from the Lorentz meta 💀
Mentioning witherhoard of all things but no drb, mindbender, 120s or chaos reach is crazy
Especially 120s honestly, they started the transition of hand cannons from being strictly the most fun weapon to be meta to what we have now where it's just wallfucking and teaming 24/7
Witherhoard was really underrated and situationally great but it just does not deserve a place in a video about metas unless its like 5 hours long
Things like ntte becoming more and more used in pre wq season, xurgridient, multimach dropping in s12, bastion, citans and so much more is way more impactful than witherhoard
Xirgridient was mentioned but only in wq section and not end of the last shadowkeep season, last weeks of it were plagued but ntte MI
In wq he sold a godroll for a second time
People finding out about smgs in the first wq season and leading to like what year and a half-step years hard SMG and barricade meta is also entirely missing/out of place too
P sure ae, 150 removal also wasn't mentioned despite being the final nail on the coffin of hand Cannon meta being fast paced and fun
So many feelings...
I miss the Smg meta
The bubble over shield smg titan meta my least favourite and I think was the worst. Having you team or the enemy team just put a bubble up and everyone stares at each other cause they just auto win the round was hilariously bad for a fps game.
My brain took an embarrassing amount of time trying to decipher whether this was a fortnite thumbnail or not LMAO
Its been a while since you dropoed a new vid
Where’s PK titan?
I’ve been playing Destiny PvP since the beta and the debut of the Prismatic Hunter was easily the most toxic META in franchise history, til this day it’s still corny but not as bad as when it first came out.
How is it corny though? Every class has their own advantages
Hunters are supposed to be the "movement" class when shoulder bash and icarus dash has you into lanes that hunters can't get to at the same pace
Not to forget about things like bubble meta, well of radiance, and on hunter the new arc super etc
I'm sure why hunters are being blown out of proportion when all classes are guilty of being "unbalanced"
@@valediction9174 I would’ve agreed with you before Subclass 3.0, Hunters were sitting ducks compared to the other classes but Prismatic Hunter did way too much other classes couldn’t really compete with, ofc they finally nerfed Strand clone, Smokes and Solar nades but back then it was overwhelming ability spam and required zero gun skill.
Prismatic hunter was mad strong. Most toxic? Not even anywhere close.
Someone is a hunter main
@@LeJunny i agree my friend
Post TFS I completely stopped playing crucible because of metas like that
It’s a farcry to the actual fun chaotic sandbox Destiny 1 once was
Noticing, hunters often oppressing the meta 🤔
First?
Great to see a new video from you, brother!!
Thanks! Been taking a break from D2 for a while but I still want to make a few videos from time to time
i see you didn't say anything about to pusle grenade meta...😂
I still harbor an unreasonable hatred for dunemarchers, most angry I have ever been at destiny pvp
So we’re not going to talk about shayuras or the stag? Cause those were cancer
Anything prior to Prismatic Hunter was good. But this clip is just depressing.. Crucible is dead.
Forsaken was the the most fun to play
so we're ignoring revoker huh
I miss 600rpm auto rifle crouch spam meta 😞
Imo vanilla D2, the D1 clever dragon meta, and the recent SMG meta are by far the worst pvp experiences I've ever had in a Bungie game maybe any game
Seems like right now is a bad time